Latest / HEAVY Music Interviews / Finding Your Voice Through Music With JIMMY KYLE From CHASING GHOSTS
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Let me tell you about the time where the warriors
- 0:05Speaker 1: help strong. They've got a lot of colonial corps to
- 0:11Speaker 1: band them where they belong.
- 0:15Speaker 2: Anyone to tell you anyone else.
- 0:23Speaker 3: My name is Shimmy Kyle. I'm from Chasing Ghosts. Chasing
- 0:26Speaker 3: Ghosts an arm based band, and I'm in Lutraal Window
- 0:32Speaker 3: in Tasmania. Long testem but the majority of the bands
- 0:37Speaker 3: in nam had been there in Melbourne for a long time.
- 0:40Speaker 1: Uh.
- 0:41Speaker 3: And a new single is a single called Amnesia Everybody,
- 0:46Speaker 3: and it's about colonial cop killers and the massacres in
- 0:52Speaker 3: Australia led by police officers and the collective amnesia the
- 0:58Speaker 3: country has around what's happened here?
- 1:01Speaker 4: Beautiful way. Thanks for joining us today, Jimmy, no worries.
- 1:05Speaker 5: You mentioned that Jason Goes recently released your new single,
- 1:08Speaker 5: Abne's Everybody not long ago actually, So how's the early
- 1:11Speaker 5: response been to it?
- 1:13Speaker 3: Yeah? Great, I think it's overwhelmingly really really really good.
- 1:22Speaker 3: I think it's just like reinvigorated the fan base after
- 1:27Speaker 3: a couple of years since our previous release, which was Homelands,
- 1:33Speaker 3: which did really well, and this one's taken a little
- 1:37Speaker 3: bit longer, just between moving between record labels, and sometimes
- 1:43Speaker 3: that can take a little bit longer than we'd like.
- 1:46Speaker 3: And yeah, so's it's been. We've been waiting for about
- 1:50Speaker 3: twelve months to have released this stuff, which has given
- 1:53Speaker 3: us an opportunity to write for a future record in
- 1:57Speaker 3: the interim. But it's really really relieving and satisfying to
- 2:02Speaker 3: be able to share this with people now.
- 2:05Speaker 5: Now we'll get into the song itself in a bit
- 2:07Speaker 5: more great detail soon, but first tells about the song
- 2:09Speaker 5: musically and what you're going for with it.
- 2:14Speaker 3: I think musically it was it has like a little
- 2:21Speaker 3: bit of this midnight oil that's kind of like in
- 2:27Speaker 3: my DNA from being a kid listening to midnight all records,
- 2:30Speaker 3: and there's just a little bit of that Hearst style drumming,
- 2:34Speaker 3: like it's really it's it's sort of really driven by
- 2:38Speaker 3: the drums, and it's it's a lot more high energy,
- 2:42Speaker 3: probably probably from previous Chasing Ghost records, and it's a
- 2:48Speaker 3: lot more polished than previous Chasing Ghost records. So between
- 2:53Speaker 3: the earlier material and the later material, one of the
- 2:58Speaker 3: places I felt we could evolved was in bringing a
- 3:03Speaker 3: really polished sound to the music, and that's not something
- 3:07Speaker 3: we've done Traditionally, I'd always been someone who's interested in
- 3:13Speaker 3: like recording to tape, using real to real and half
- 3:17Speaker 3: inch tape, and I didn't use things like beat detectors
- 3:22Speaker 3: or auto tune or or I didn't really go into
- 3:25Speaker 3: pro tools if I could avoid it. And as the
- 3:30Speaker 3: records have evolved, I've sort of expanded my ideas around
- 3:37Speaker 3: that and left some of that traditionalists stubborn kind of
- 3:41Speaker 3: archaic ways in the past and have seen the light
- 3:46Speaker 3: and have joined the contemporary new world producers in all
- 3:50Speaker 3: the luxuries that exist now when recording music. So that's
- 3:56Speaker 3: probably one of the big changes. It's big and shiny,
- 4:00Speaker 3: and that's that's been really good for us. It's been
- 4:03Speaker 3: something that's you know, we've sort of moved out of
- 4:06Speaker 3: that low fi kind of poison city record sounding punk
- 4:10Speaker 3: rock bands into something that's a little bit more luscious.
- 4:15Speaker 3: It's a little less intimate, but it's definitely big, shiny
- 4:19Speaker 3: and powerful good now.
- 4:23Speaker 5: As you say, the Son of self Lyrically, it deals
- 4:25Speaker 5: with a very important issue made or important issues, So tell.
- 4:29Speaker 4: Us a bit more about that.
- 4:31Speaker 3: Well, probably if you're like most Australians, there's probably a
- 4:38Speaker 3: pretty big blind spot around race relationships, and a lot
- 4:43Speaker 3: of that comes from and in particular with First Nations people,
- 4:47Speaker 3: not necessarily with others, but with Aboriginal folks, and a
- 4:51Speaker 3: lot of that probably has to do with that. In
- 4:54Speaker 3: our history that we're taught at school. Most people that
- 4:59Speaker 3: I would speak to have raised that there's a big
- 5:03Speaker 3: gap in their education around what's actually occurred in the country,
- 5:08Speaker 3: and that people have some broad understanding, but in reality,
- 5:13Speaker 3: the period of time before the mining boom, the gold
- 5:18Speaker 3: Rush and sort of back from the first fleet, there's
- 5:24Speaker 3: seventy years in our curriculum we just don't talk about.
- 5:28Speaker 3: And in that seventy years, the East Coast and the
- 5:33Speaker 3: West Coast were in endless skirmishes, battles, wars, confrontations with
- 5:42Speaker 3: First Nations peoples, and a lot of those people that
- 5:45Speaker 3: led those battles that let from an English perspective, many
- 5:51Speaker 3: of the people that have schools, universities, cities, towns named
- 5:57Speaker 3: after them, and many of them were open massacres on
- 6:03Speaker 3: what you might say is civilians. And I guess there's
- 6:08Speaker 3: this gap in the Australian psyche that won that Aboriginal people.
- 6:13Speaker 3: We did defend our nations with warriors that led resistances
- 6:18Speaker 3: like Jaegen and Jandamara on the West coast and on
- 6:22Speaker 3: you know, in Tazzy it was people like Chuggannini and
- 6:25Speaker 3: Malboyna and Tanamineweight, And in Queensland it was people like
- 6:30Speaker 3: Billy Barlow and Dunderley, and in places like New South
- 6:35Speaker 3: Wales it was pum Away and wind Hine and Garibaldi
- 6:39Speaker 3: and lots of resistance fighters all around the country fought
- 6:44Speaker 3: and led their nations to fight back against British colonialism.
- 6:50Speaker 3: And I think the what people probably aren't cognizant of
- 6:56Speaker 3: is that massacres that did kill women and children that
- 7:01Speaker 3: we often have idolized these people and senitized their their
- 7:07Speaker 3: crimes and senitize their history and whitewashed it to make
- 7:11Speaker 3: them out to be honorable people when in reality they
- 7:17Speaker 3: were murderers, and they were murderers of children and innocent
- 7:22Speaker 3: civilians that were defending their homelands. So a really good
- 7:26Speaker 3: example of that might be Governor James Sterling High School.
- 7:31Speaker 3: Governor James Sterling led the Pinjara massacre on the binjurab
- 7:35Speaker 3: Nongar people in borlou or Perth. And you know, I
- 7:41Speaker 3: wouldn't think it's appropriate to name a high school Martin
- 7:46Speaker 3: Bryant High School, and he led a massacre in this country,
- 7:50Speaker 3: and everyone was, you know, has to remember how massacres
- 7:54Speaker 3: like that, or the Christchurch killer massacre in New Zealand,
- 7:58Speaker 3: how they profoundly affected our nations. And that's no different.
- 8:04Speaker 3: That's really no different, except for we don't sanitize Martin Bryant.
- 8:10Speaker 4: And what he did.
- 8:11Speaker 3: We hold him accountable and we put him in a
- 8:14Speaker 3: prison cell for it. So that's like one small example.
- 8:19Speaker 3: There's quite a lot of others that I could illustrate
- 8:23Speaker 3: for you. You know, we've named our cities after slavers,
- 8:27Speaker 3: like Robert Towns, the slaver that towns Full is named
- 8:30Speaker 3: after Benjamin Boyd, the largest slaver in Australia, that Boyd
- 8:35Speaker 3: town is named after. McKay is named after John McKay,
- 8:40Speaker 3: another slaver, and between the three of them they enslaved
- 8:44Speaker 3: sixty five and a half thousand people in a period
- 8:47Speaker 3: of time when there would have been lucky to be
- 8:49Speaker 3: one hundred thousand non indigenous people in the country. The
- 8:53Speaker 3: fact that most people don't know that, and that's not
- 8:57Speaker 3: on the forefront of people's minds, especially when dealing in
- 9:03Speaker 3: indigenous communities in South the islander communities, I think is
- 9:07Speaker 3: evident in the poor relationships that we've got today. So
- 9:13Speaker 3: songs like this are about bringing it back to people's
- 9:18Speaker 3: attention to understand that there's not a country on the
- 9:22Speaker 3: planet that colonization has affected that the people colonized do
- 9:30Speaker 3: as well as the colonizer. In every single country that's
- 9:34Speaker 3: been colonized, the colonized are the powerful. They hold the reins,
- 9:38Speaker 3: they hold the purse strings, they steal the land, they
- 9:41Speaker 3: take the resources, they decimate the population, and then if
- 9:46Speaker 3: that population over the course of time talks out against
- 9:53Speaker 3: these things, they're gas lit as being the problem. And
- 9:57Speaker 3: I think most people today could see that that's that's
- 10:02Speaker 3: the reality of Australia, that we're in an occupied country
- 10:06Speaker 3: that doesn't have a treaty with its First Nations people.
- 10:08Speaker 3: We're the only Commonwealth country on the planet that doesn't
- 10:12Speaker 3: have a treaty with First Nations people. And we're also
- 10:16Speaker 3: have the worst statistics of every country that has been
- 10:20Speaker 3: colonized that doesn't have treaties with First Nations people. So
- 10:27Speaker 3: it creates a culture that one doesn't know the atrocities
- 10:32Speaker 3: that have occurred on its soil. It creates a culture
- 10:36Speaker 3: where victim blaming Aboriginal people for our own dispossession is common,
- 10:45Speaker 3: which would be in any other circumstances probably frowned upon,
- 10:52Speaker 3: where it's quite normalized in Australia to victim blame indigenous
- 10:56Speaker 3: people for our own dispossession, you know, and that'd be
- 11:01Speaker 3: like trying to you know, blame say Ukraine for Russia
- 11:08Speaker 3: invading and saying, oh, well, you know, it's might is right.
- 11:13Speaker 3: And I think Australians that think it's arguments like might
- 11:17Speaker 3: is right or we conquered Indigenous people, which I've heard
- 11:22Speaker 3: a lot of that sort of narrative, I think they
- 11:24Speaker 3: have to remember that if you believe miight is right
- 11:28Speaker 3: and the CCP one day decides to give Australia a
- 11:31Speaker 3: run for its money, they might want to remember that
- 11:34Speaker 3: might is not always right and also is at the time.
- 11:39Speaker 3: You know, we have to also understand that would how
- 11:44Speaker 3: would you how would we expect First Nations people to
- 11:49Speaker 3: respond to being occupied? And there's a you know, I
- 11:53Speaker 3: think we can see how everyone else on the planet
- 11:57Speaker 3: who's occupied, like Palestinian people for example, in the West
- 12:04Speaker 3: Bank and in Gaza. It doesn't look like people are
- 12:07Speaker 3: very grateful for the situation. That looks like people are
- 12:09Speaker 3: very resistant. And so that same sort of ethos for
- 12:13Speaker 3: Aboriginal people still exists, that this is Aboriginal land, that
- 12:18Speaker 3: many people call it home, and they're welcome to call
- 12:21Speaker 3: at home. But we have to reckon with our past
- 12:24Speaker 3: like mature adults and understand that you know, only eighty
- 12:29Speaker 3: years ago we still had massacres occurring in the Northern Territory,
- 12:33Speaker 3: that fifty percent of the massacres were led by colonial
- 12:36Speaker 3: police officers that killed unsuspecting innocent people en mass within
- 12:43Speaker 3: hundreds and hundreds of people at a time, such as
- 12:46Speaker 3: the Connistant Station massacre, which was in nineteen twenty eight,
- 12:51Speaker 3: in between World War One and World War Two, and
- 12:54Speaker 3: you know all the Rufous the Rufous River massacre of
- 12:58Speaker 3: nineteen twenty six in Western Australia. And I think if
- 13:02Speaker 3: you start to timeline these dates arguments like when are
- 13:06Speaker 3: we going to get over it? That'd be like me
- 13:08Speaker 3: saying to someone, well, when are you going to get
- 13:10Speaker 3: over World War one and World War two? And telling
- 13:12Speaker 3: that to a digger, you know, that would be highly offensive.
- 13:15Speaker 3: It'd be that those conflicts have shaped own nations identity,
- 13:20Speaker 3: but so have these massacres shaped Aboriginal people's identity as well.
- 13:26Speaker 3: It's left an indelible impact on us, and the lack
- 13:31Speaker 3: of recognition, the lack of responsible, mature dialogue, has declined
- 13:39Speaker 3: us into you know, silly Facebook comments, Sky News insanity
- 13:45Speaker 3: and Rupert Murdock brainwashing people. So it's a shame that
- 13:51Speaker 3: we don't have a curriculum that can mitigate some of
- 13:55Speaker 3: that irrational hyperbole that we hear in the media. And
- 14:01Speaker 3: the reality is we don't it. We don't have a
- 14:03Speaker 3: curriculum that teaches it. And so I'm fortunate to be
- 14:07Speaker 3: one of the people that do teach this subject as
- 14:11Speaker 3: a content expert, as a professional in the field, and
- 14:15Speaker 3: it naturally as an Aboriginal man. It permeates some of
- 14:19Speaker 3: my songwriting. And if you're a punk like I am,
- 14:22Speaker 3: and I've always proudly been into punk rock and metal
- 14:26Speaker 3: and hardcore and those sorts of things, is you have,
- 14:29Speaker 3: you know, your microphone is your weapon, and you have
- 14:33Speaker 3: an obligation to speak, to speak up and to speak
- 14:39Speaker 3: truth to power. And some people get their feathers ruffled
- 14:44Speaker 3: by it, but you know, I think It's ironic that
- 14:46Speaker 3: the same people who get their feathers ruffled by it
- 14:49Speaker 3: probably still seeing rage against the machine killing in the
- 14:53Speaker 3: name and don't realize what the lyrics are about. So
- 14:56Speaker 3: when you hear, you know, lines like some of those
- 14:58Speaker 3: that were enforces at the saying that burn crosses, that
- 15:02Speaker 3: is Australia's policing. You'd only have to look at the
- 15:05Speaker 3: most recent Northern Territory Police commissioner that this year resigned
- 15:12Speaker 3: after he was pushed out because he apologized to First
- 15:17Speaker 3: Nations people for the atrocities that had occurred in only
- 15:20Speaker 3: eighty years ago in the Northern Territory, the open poisoning
- 15:24Speaker 3: of people, the open shooting of people eighty years ago.
- 15:28Speaker 3: You know, I asked people to think about how all
- 15:30Speaker 3: their grandparents are and imagine, you know, in Australia we
- 15:34Speaker 3: have different lived experiences and some non Indigenous people that
- 15:39Speaker 3: come to the country have brilliant experiences and that's terrific.
- 15:43Speaker 3: We want more of that. But for many First Nations people,
- 15:46Speaker 3: it is in the lived memory of people. It is
- 15:49Speaker 3: in the historical memory. It is in the family DNA
- 15:52Speaker 3: that we know who the murderers were. We know about
- 15:56Speaker 3: people like Frank Hahn, the headhunter of the golf and
- 15:59Speaker 3: carpet terrier, who decapitated people and sent their skulls to Europe.
- 16:04Speaker 3: We know down here about in Tasmania about people like
- 16:08Speaker 3: William Crowther who dug up Aboriginal people's bodies and cut
- 16:12Speaker 3: them up and sent them to Europe and three years
- 16:15Speaker 3: later became the premier of the state. We know about
- 16:19Speaker 3: the Edward Hentyes that led the first massacres in Tasmania
- 16:22Speaker 3: and Victoria, and of course we named the town after
- 16:25Speaker 3: him as well. And this goes on and on. These
- 16:28Speaker 3: killer cops have streets named after him, and Darwin and
- 16:31Speaker 3: Alice Springs. They have a polith of things that try
- 16:36Speaker 3: and make them seem like decent people. But the basic
- 16:41Speaker 3: tenets we have as adults that we would teach children
- 16:45Speaker 3: is not to steal, not to be violent, to use
- 16:49Speaker 3: your words to resolve things. But yet we hold these
- 16:52Speaker 3: adults up up on statues, naming high schools after them,
- 16:56Speaker 3: cities after them, that we know exactly what they've done.
- 17:00Speaker 3: And that's like a cognitive dissonance. When we talk about
- 17:03Speaker 3: Australia believing in matship or the fair go, or that
- 17:07Speaker 3: we're a country that believes you should be measured on
- 17:09Speaker 3: your merit, not by the color of your skin. And
- 17:13Speaker 3: it's not to make people feel guilty there's they don't
- 17:16Speaker 3: have to feel guilty. That's not the purpose. The purpose
- 17:20Speaker 3: is to actually recognize what's occurred in the country and
- 17:24Speaker 3: make some mature roads forward.
- 17:28Speaker 4: Along those lines. Bro Like, when are your writing songs
- 17:31Speaker 4: like this?
- 17:32Speaker 5: Like are you more writing for yourself to sort of
- 17:35Speaker 5: get it off your chest, or you're writing it and
- 17:37Speaker 5: the hope of belief that other people might take it
- 17:39Speaker 5: on board and understand.
- 17:44Speaker 3: Both. Maybe both is probably the answer. I find it
- 17:49Speaker 3: really hard as a First Nations person to buy into
- 17:53Speaker 3: the jingoism of Australia. You know, I find it hard
- 17:57Speaker 3: because it's it's it's built on a lot of fabrication.
- 18:01Speaker 3: And I'd love to. I'd love to participate in the
- 18:05Speaker 3: in some sort of sense of patriotic nationalism of some sort.
- 18:10Speaker 3: You know, I'd love to, But I can't. No, I
- 18:13Speaker 3: can't as long as it's if we're not being honest
- 18:15Speaker 3: with one another. It's an elephant in the room and
- 18:19Speaker 3: it feels disingenuous. And when I see the response to
- 18:22Speaker 3: things as gracious as being welcomed to country and now
- 18:27Speaker 3: we have rednecks driving around with stickers saying it ain't
- 18:29Speaker 3: welcome me to main country. It's sad like five years
- 18:33Speaker 3: ago they wouldn't even know on what traditional lands they're on,
- 18:35Speaker 3: and they don't think. Well, we've made Aboriginal people tolerate
- 18:40Speaker 3: the national anthem that states that we're young and free
- 18:44Speaker 3: when we're the oldest continent, were the oldest people on
- 18:47Speaker 3: the con the in the in the world, and we're
- 18:50Speaker 3: the most incarcerated black population on the planet, eight times
- 18:54Speaker 3: higher than apartheid in South Africa, in Western Australia, eleven
- 18:58Speaker 3: times higher in the Nose than Territory. In fact, in
- 19:01Speaker 3: the Northern Territory at the moment, every single child in
- 19:05Speaker 3: detention is Aboriginal or Torrostraight Islander, which is bizarre because
- 19:11Speaker 3: that would infer that white children never commit crimes, which
- 19:16Speaker 3: means that in every other state somehow where white kids
- 19:20Speaker 3: commit crimes, usually seventy percent of the prison system would
- 19:23Speaker 3: be white because of the population that somehow, in the
- 19:26Speaker 3: Northern Territory, white kids just don't commit crimes. They just never, ever, ever, ever,
- 19:31Speaker 3: ever ever stuff up, and Aboriginal kids seem to always
- 19:34Speaker 3: be the ones. How can we have one hundred percent
- 19:37Speaker 3: incarceration of a group of people that make up thirty
- 19:40Speaker 3: percent of the territory population. And the answer to that
- 19:43Speaker 3: would be, well, perhaps the same people that were leading
- 19:47Speaker 3: massacres and staying in power until nineteen sixty seven, people
- 19:51Speaker 3: like Alexander Downer's grandfather who supplied the bullets. And then
- 19:55Speaker 3: you wonder how we get these legacy politicians that hold
- 19:59Speaker 3: racist beliefs. So perhaps those people have left a culture
- 20:03Speaker 3: in the police force where Aboriginal people are over policed.
- 20:07Speaker 3: Non Indigenous kids are seen as kids, they're not seen
- 20:10Speaker 3: as adults. And that, in the words of Mandela, that
- 20:14Speaker 3: we might understand that wherever there is poverty, we will
- 20:17Speaker 3: find crime. That doesn't mean people don't have personal responsibility
- 20:21Speaker 3: or accountability, but instead of working with communities as partners,
- 20:26Speaker 3: what we see is paternalism. We see treating Aboriginal people
- 20:30Speaker 3: with children, giving people, you know, telling people based on
- 20:37Speaker 3: where they live or on their race, whether or not
- 20:40Speaker 3: they're allowed to have a drink, which I find weird
- 20:43Speaker 3: because here in Tasmania, I can go into any pub
- 20:46Speaker 3: and see drunk white fellows all the time, and no
- 20:50Speaker 3: one says anything about their whiteness being the issue. I
- 20:53Speaker 3: can go to Melbourne and see every pub chocer block
- 20:57Speaker 3: full of drunk white fellows, and no one brings up
- 20:59Speaker 3: there whiteness as the catalysts for their alcoholism. In fact,
- 21:03Speaker 3: if you're white and you drink, you're an AUSSI alaric
- 21:06Speaker 3: and you're a champion. You know, we write songs about it,
- 21:10Speaker 3: like going on smokeo and having bees and all that vibe,
- 21:13Speaker 3: and there's nothing wrong with that. But let's be consistent
- 21:16Speaker 3: across the board that if we're if we're holding one
- 21:20Speaker 3: group to accountability, then perhaps we you know, we need
- 21:24Speaker 3: to hold everyone to accountability.
- 21:27Speaker 5: Brother, Now, is is Amnesia Everybody a standalone single for
- 21:32Speaker 5: you guys? Or is it a start of a new cycle?
- 21:34Speaker 3: Start of a new cycle?
- 21:35Speaker 2: Bro?
- 21:36Speaker 3: Absolutely?
- 21:37Speaker 4: Can you tell us about that? How far advanced is it?
- 21:40Speaker 4: What sort of directions are going to take?
- 21:43Speaker 3: More energy, more sing alongs, more anthems, more attitude, just more,
- 21:54Speaker 3: just more. I was trying to think, how do I
- 21:57Speaker 3: every record's changed, you know, like Chasing Ghosts is a
- 22:01Speaker 3: started out as like a punk troubadour or doing acoustic
- 22:05Speaker 3: folk music in the first record and then we're sort
- 22:08Speaker 3: of full records down the track and gone back to
- 22:12Speaker 3: many of us played in hardcore bands and punk bands
- 22:14Speaker 3: years ago, and it's sort of embodied some of that.
- 22:19Speaker 3: It it's come back to big energy sort of music
- 22:22Speaker 3: and the quiet patch, you know, the quiet ballads are
- 22:27Speaker 3: probably dissipated into the past, and the Yeah, there's a
- 22:32Speaker 3: resurgence of punk rock again.
- 22:34Speaker 5: I would you put that down to bro Like, it's
- 22:36Speaker 5: a lot of people grow and change over time in music.
- 22:38Speaker 5: But the change you've described then from the acoustics sort
- 22:42Speaker 5: of stuff to the full on punk stuff coming back
- 22:44Speaker 5: like the opposite.
- 22:47Speaker 4: Why is it change? What's happened with you guys to
- 22:48Speaker 4: make that change?
- 22:51Speaker 3: I think when I left the hardcore scene, or I
- 22:56Speaker 3: thought I left, like the thirteen years ago, it was
- 23:03Speaker 3: a real toxic kind of place. It's a lot better now,
- 23:07Speaker 3: thank god. It was full of egos and skinny leg jeans,
- 23:12Speaker 3: and I find it really bizarre that blokes with such
- 23:17Speaker 3: skinny jeans would act like they're such tough fullas And
- 23:23Speaker 3: there's a lot of hair straighteners I remember, and a
- 23:25Speaker 3: lot of hair spray and look, it was all it
- 23:28Speaker 3: was dope. It was a lot of good stuff too,
- 23:30Speaker 3: like I'm not gonna knock all of it. It was
- 23:32Speaker 3: a lot of good stuff. But I left and I
- 23:35Speaker 3: didn't like the attitude it had, and I wanted to
- 23:38Speaker 3: go and write something humble, something reflective, and I borrowed
- 23:43Speaker 3: my dad's guitar. I didn't even have an acoustic guitar.
- 23:47Speaker 3: I didn't have a lot of self confidence in my
- 23:49Speaker 3: ability to write songs. And it was like a rebirth.
- 23:53Speaker 3: And so I released that and toured around Australia, Asia,
- 23:57Speaker 3: New Zealand eventually to Europe and sort of pathed a
- 24:03Speaker 3: bit of a way forward in that folk punk space.
- 24:07Speaker 3: And you know, there were a couple of other people
- 24:10Speaker 3: doing similar things at the time. But and then by
- 24:14Speaker 3: the time I did the second record, I did it
- 24:16Speaker 3: with Andrew from Comeback Kid Andrew Newfield, and it was
- 24:20Speaker 3: like again, it wasn't a hardcore record, even though it
- 24:23Speaker 3: was a bunch of hardcore guys. It was a different
- 24:26Speaker 3: type of record. It was like a rock and roll record,
- 24:29Speaker 3: I guess. And then by the time the Third Incarnation
- 24:34Speaker 3: came around, we'd started to move back towards our punk
- 24:38Speaker 3: rock roots and here we are now, and I just
- 24:41Speaker 3: think it was I needed to express something in a
- 24:47Speaker 3: different way at the time, and chasing ghosts, you know,
- 24:52Speaker 3: reincarnated itself several times over and hopefully continues to do that.
- 24:56Speaker 3: I grew up on that legacy of bands that didn't
- 25:00Speaker 3: release the same album three times in a row. You
- 25:04Speaker 3: know that they did. They challenged themselves to write something
- 25:07Speaker 3: broader and bigger, and I don't know if I nail that,
- 25:11Speaker 3: but I think it's definitely in my DNA as a songwriter.
- 25:16Speaker 4: Now.
- 25:16Speaker 5: He also set out on Twitter promoting a single next month,
- 25:19Speaker 5: starting in Brisbane October tenth. Then he hit Sydney and
- 25:22Speaker 5: Melbourne over consecutive nights. So what can people expect fro him?
- 25:25Speaker 5: Jason goes from those shows.
- 25:29Speaker 3: A lot of fun, a lot of I'm going to
- 25:33Speaker 3: let the music do the talking. I think, you know,
- 25:35Speaker 3: I've done some sort of spoken word acoustic solo shows
- 25:38Speaker 3: that have been really fun in the past. This will
- 25:41Speaker 3: be time to have a drink, time to bring your mates,
- 25:45Speaker 3: trying to have a sing along and you know, bang
- 25:51Speaker 3: your head a bit and tap your foot and get rowdy,
- 25:54Speaker 3: and we're just really keen to get out and see
- 25:57Speaker 3: lots of old friends that are coming out, which is
- 25:59Speaker 3: great lots of young fans coming out and people that
- 26:03Speaker 3: have been on the journey with us this whole time.
- 26:05Speaker 3: So we're just excited to be able to see people
- 26:08Speaker 3: and get out there and play music and bring some
- 26:11Speaker 3: new tunes to the stage.
- 26:13Speaker 5: Fan classic and just say, someone's watching this and they
- 26:16Speaker 5: like the sound of the band and they want to come.
- 26:18Speaker 5: They don't know if you will give us three songs
- 26:20Speaker 5: from Chasing Ghost to listen to so they know.
- 26:23Speaker 3: What to expect, all right, Well, latest single Amnesia, everybody
- 26:26Speaker 3: got to jump on that for sure. Bustard Lum which
- 26:30Speaker 3: has probably been our most successful single previously, which is
- 26:37Speaker 3: a folk punk banger, so I think people might dig
- 26:41Speaker 3: that one. And I'm going to go with a track
- 26:46Speaker 3: called an Anthem for Bastard Slyeres and cheats. They might
- 26:50Speaker 3: enjoy that one as well. So lots of punk rock,
- 26:53Speaker 3: lots of storyteller lyrics and yeah, lots of attitudes. Hopefully
- 27:01Speaker 3: everyone comes out and has.
- 27:02Speaker 4: A ball fantasy. Kimmy, thanks very much for your time.
- 27:05Speaker 4: I'd been an absolute pleasure speak with you. I need
- 27:07Speaker 4: everybody is out now.
- 27:09Speaker 5: Chors in Bristolane October ten, Sydney October eleventh, Melbourne, October twelve.
- 27:14Speaker 4: So get along and support the boys.
- 27:16Speaker 3: Thanks Chris Cheers.
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