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Normally Podcast: Iran Talks Stall, UK Grooming Gang Scandal Explodes & The New York Times’ Father’s Day Backlash · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, we are back on normally the show with
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  Speaker 1: normalist takes for when the news gets weird. I am
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  Speaker 1: Mary Catherine Ham.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Carol Markowitz. How was your weekend, Mary Catherine?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it was good. We had a nice Father's Day.
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  Speaker 1: Went to Mount Vernon to summary favor of our country. Yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we love it there.
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  Speaker 2: I love it there too. Yeah, it's awesome. Did you
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  Speaker 2: take care of Steve?
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  Speaker 1: Was he pampered well to the extent that Steve can
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  Speaker 1: be pampered? Yes. We got him a practical and high quality,
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  Speaker 1: useful Father's Day gift which I think he will enjoy,
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  Speaker 1: and so I felt pretty good about that. We got
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  Speaker 1: to make a nice luggage, brand new toiletry kit.
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  Speaker 2: So I like it. Yeah, that's good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very bad gift.
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  Speaker 2: Like that's a very father's Yeah. Does Steve like Father's Day?
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  Speaker 2: Like my husband does not like Father's Day. He hates
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  Speaker 2: other people being like, hey, happy for other's day. He's like,
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  Speaker 2: don't talk to me. Yeah, I am not your father.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. We gave him some gym time by himself. You know,
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  Speaker 1: that's his greatest desire. I don't think he wants to
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  Speaker 1: be all brunched up or anything, right, But he likes
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  Speaker 1: hanging out with the kids. He likes gym time. He
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  Speaker 1: got his stuff, and we also got him obviously an
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  Speaker 1: America shirt with a with a big bald eagle and
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  Speaker 1: some lightning on it because I love that appropriate no
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  Speaker 1: sleeves obviously, so you know, he got a couple of
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  Speaker 1: goods and we do our best.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. For Father's Day, I got a new Knick shirt. Nice. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because that's you know, that's the whole ballgame over here
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  Speaker 2: right now, Nix Nicks Nicks.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, that's an easy present you got.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta go too. I think both of our husbands.
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  Speaker 2: I got a Knick shirt, he got me one.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great husband. I do think both of our husbands,
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  Speaker 1: as many husbands do by themselves exactly what they want
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  Speaker 1: and have very specific requirements of things, and so it's
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  Speaker 1: a little tricky to be heading on to that. We
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  Speaker 1: did our best.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we do what we can, all right. Iran? What
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  Speaker 2: is going on with Iran? And you know, like this
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  Speaker 2: is one of those We're gonna have to talk about
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  Speaker 2: it pretty much every show, but there's not always a
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  Speaker 2: ton to talk about. But this was a fairly eventful weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, So jd Vance along with Kushner and Witkoff was
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  Speaker 1: the crew that's been dealing with this negotiation with Iran
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  Speaker 1: via intermediaries associated with Pakistan, Oman and Cutter go to
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  Speaker 1: Switzerland to have this discussion. Right, this was last week.
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  Speaker 1: They said, there's a memory of understanding. Then we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: go and we're gonna sign it in Switzerland. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: start talking about this stuff. Jade Vance gets to Switzerland
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  Speaker 1: and things don't go exactly as planned as you might
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  Speaker 1: imagine with dealing with Oman, Cutter, Pakistan and Iran. And
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  Speaker 1: here's let me let him give you his best pitch
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  Speaker 1: about what he got out of this gathering.
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  Speaker 3: So it was a very very good day, made a
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  Speaker 3: lot of good progress. We did exactly what we wanted
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  Speaker 3: to do, which is accomplish four things for the American people. First,
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  Speaker 3: we wanted to build a mechanism for keeping the Strait
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  Speaker 3: of Horror moves open. It is open. We've seen, of course,
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  Speaker 3: gas prices and oil prices come down, millions and millions
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  Speaker 3: of barrels of crude and natural gas flowing through the
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  Speaker 3: Strait of Horror moods that weren't flowing before. But we
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  Speaker 3: also wanted to make sure that we actually set up
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  Speaker 3: the coordination mechanism so that we could demine the straits
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  Speaker 3: of horror moves, so that when there are the conflicts
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  Speaker 3: that inevitably come up, we can make sure we work
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  Speaker 3: through them rather than that leading to escalation. And that
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  Speaker 3: is exactly what we did yesterday. Number Two, we also
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  Speaker 3: wanted to build a mechanism, a similar mechanism for deconfliction
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  Speaker 3: for the regional ceasefire. As the President of the United
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  Speaker 3: States is himself said, sometimes these ceasefires just mean you're
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  Speaker 3: shooting a little bit less. But we wanted to make
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  Speaker 3: sure that we had the proper coordination set up so
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  Speaker 3: that if there is shooting, if Hesbeala fires at Israel,
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  Speaker 3: or if Israel were bonds, if there are other conflicts
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  Speaker 3: that arise in the region, we're actually talking to each
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  Speaker 3: other and figuring out how to stop the shooting, how
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  Speaker 3: to make the region safer, our allies and everybody else.
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  Speaker 2: We set that up as well.
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  Speaker 1: Number Three, we and this is probably what.
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  Speaker 3: We're most excited about as Americans. The Iranians have agreed
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  Speaker 3: to invite IAEA inspectors back into their country. That is
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  Speaker 3: a major milestone for the American people and the first
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  Speaker 3: step in permanently denuclearizing or permanently ending a nuclear weapons
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  Speaker 3: program in Iran.
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  Speaker 1: I'll spot him the oil prices, and that's something I
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  Speaker 1: think he's genuinely worried about, as is Trump. These are
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  Speaker 1: things that affect the American economy and they affect people
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  Speaker 1: on the ground, and they want those oil prices to
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  Speaker 1: come down. However, his discussion of the first two points
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  Speaker 1: here revealed that Iran has been working us for several months. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because the first one is, oh, we're going to get
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  Speaker 1: that open. Well, they promised they'd open it as a
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  Speaker 1: condition of the inspire. It did not to deconfliction. Is
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  Speaker 1: like there's been no ceasefire by their proxies or by them,
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  Speaker 1: which is another thing that was decided upon allegedly several
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  Speaker 1: months ago. So this entire time we've been seeing them
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  Speaker 1: violate both of those requirements. And now we're like, but please.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and the expectation that they're going to do
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  Speaker 2: it now, I mean, the thing is right, we're all
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  Speaker 2: rooting for this to work. It's like this we're in
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  Speaker 2: a sort of double edged sword where we think the
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  Speaker 2: agreement is not wise because we don't imagine it will work,
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  Speaker 2: and it reads very naive to us. But if it
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  Speaker 2: works and peace is achieved and Iran doesn't have nuclear
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  Speaker 2: weapons and the straight up her moves is open and
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  Speaker 2: Hesbealahs defanged, all of this happens, that would be great, obviously.
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  Speaker 2: And so when we have this like people, you guys
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  Speaker 2: just want war, you just want more war. No, we
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  Speaker 2: really want peace. We just don't think this will lead
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  Speaker 2: to that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and as evidence of that once again in the
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  Speaker 1: last eight hours, shipping stalls in straight up for moves
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  Speaker 1: after Iran declares Key Waterway shut. So you know, that's
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  Speaker 1: exactly the thing you're trying to extract from them right
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  Speaker 1: now while you're meeting with them, and it's not happening.
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  Speaker 1: There's also the issue which I don't think. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think these things are as important as they used to be.
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  Speaker 1: But the sort of pretty obvious snub of vans in
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  Speaker 1: the room as various leaders were entering and shaking hands
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  Speaker 1: and greeting various people is not good. You don't want
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  Speaker 1: to be in that room. And I would say I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't want to be in that room after Iran has
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  Speaker 1: said they're shutting the straight up for moves again, because
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  Speaker 1: I say, well, that's what we are to get here,
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  Speaker 1: So I am concerned.
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  Speaker 2: And Iran had a moment where they threatened to walk
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  Speaker 2: out because of Trump's you know, tweets and you know
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  Speaker 2: online that people were like, oh, Iran has walked out
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  Speaker 2: of the room and is no longer there. But apparently
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  Speaker 2: it was just a threat, and they did end up
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  Speaker 2: staying in the room. But even so, it's like they
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  Speaker 2: don't have the upper hand. This is what we talked
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  Speaker 2: about last episode, right, where by all measures, we won,
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  Speaker 2: and yet they're acting like they won and that is
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  Speaker 2: making no sense to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they count upon the lack of political
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  Speaker 1: fortitude and lack of will. Yeah, the lack of will
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  Speaker 1: both politically and otherwise in the West to get them
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  Speaker 1: to this point over and over again, and it really
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  Speaker 1: has worked over and over again. Right, we should point
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  Speaker 1: out that Trump went for the weekend to Camp David
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  Speaker 1: with Rubio and others, not the folks who are overseas,
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  Speaker 1: and it's once again looks like he's saying to Vance, hey,
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  Speaker 1: give it your best shot, but I'm back here doing
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  Speaker 1: this making other plans and also making threats, which again like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think these people are trustworthy in any way,
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  Speaker 1: and I think Trump sort of like bouncing this along
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  Speaker 1: as he does all negotiations, doesn't necessarily work for the
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  Speaker 1: US or get US in a better position, particularly when
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  Speaker 1: they're blocking the straight up for news and shooting at
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  Speaker 1: Apache helicopters, with which they did a week and a
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  Speaker 1: half ago. But I'm glad he's discussing with Rubio back home. Right.
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  Speaker 2: There's also the additional thing where you know, Van says
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  Speaker 2: that they're going to allow inspectors in and then Iran
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  Speaker 2: is like, no, we're not. The Foreign Ministry spokesman, I'm
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  Speaker 2: getting this from the New York Post. As mal Bagay
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  Speaker 2: indicated indicated Monday that the status quo would not change,
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  Speaker 2: telling state run IRNA that Iran's interaction with the agency,
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  Speaker 2: in line with its obligations under safeguard agreements, will continue
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  Speaker 2: according to the existing framework, and then the semi official
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  Speaker 2: Tasnim news agency added the issue of granting mission for
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  Speaker 2: IAEA inspectors to enter Iran was not approved by the
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  Speaker 2: Iranian negotiating team or by responsible government officials, and we're
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  Speaker 2: in this situation where if Vance comes out and says
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  Speaker 2: they've agreed to this, and then they're like, no, we haven't.
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  Speaker 2: Who are we dealing with? Who was in charge over there?
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  Speaker 2: We really just don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Also, hasn't the IAEA been in the country in the
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  Speaker 1: past when they've been enriching uranium?
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  Speaker 2: So's right, that's the additional funny fact here, which is
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  Speaker 2: just because you allow inspectors in doesn't mean that they're
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  Speaker 2: going to let people them see anything or give them
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  Speaker 2: permission to you know, really view what they're working on. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: it's interesting that President Trump is largely uninvolved in these negotiations. Now,
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  Speaker 2: there's the school of thought that says that Vans and
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  Speaker 2: Trump are not on the same page as this. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if you are or if you were, a supporter of
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  Speaker 2: the war in Iran and you say that Vance and
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  Speaker 2: Trump are not on the same page, you are evil incarnate,
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  Speaker 2: probably a Neocon And how dare you criticize the Trump administration?
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  Speaker 2: But if you're Tucker Carlson and you say that JD.
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  Speaker 2: Vance should stop, you know, permitting any of this to
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  Speaker 2: go on, he should march into Trump's office and say
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  Speaker 2: that this is unacceptable and he should refuse to do
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  Speaker 2: anything that furthers this and all of that, then that's okay,
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  Speaker 2: which I find a little obnoxious.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say the the style of the administration's
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  Speaker 1: attacks on people who are criticizing the outline of this
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  Speaker 1: deal does not make me feel better about the deal.
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  Speaker 1: They're very they're very personal, they're way too ratcheted up,
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  Speaker 1: they're way too online. It's very like, I don't need
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  Speaker 1: y'all having an explore about this. So he could just say, no,
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  Speaker 1: we believe that this process will play out in interesting
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  Speaker 1: ways without like hanging people out to dry, who, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, have been supportive of many other things, including
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  Speaker 1: your efforts on this in the past.
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  Speaker 2: And so they came after Batya Unger Sargan, and David
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  Speaker 2: Ruboy last week. This account Rapid Response forty seven. It's
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  Speaker 2: an official account that speaks for the White House. So
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  Speaker 2: the fact that they're tweeting really vile criticism at them.
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  Speaker 2: It's not even criticism, it's like, you know, calling them
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  Speaker 2: stupid and saying that they're not part of the alliance
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  Speaker 2: of the Trump administration. Stuff like that is really it's bad.
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  Speaker 2: But then also what makes it worse, And I tweeted this.
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  Speaker 2: I said, I didn't think this week went as badly
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  Speaker 2: for JD as some other people thought, but the rapid
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  Speaker 2: response account is convincing me otherwise. It's making it that
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  Speaker 2: it seem like things went super bad and they need
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  Speaker 2: to cover up how badly things went for him.
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  Speaker 1: It's very juvenile. It feels a little bit more than
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  Speaker 1: a little desperate, and its need to go after people
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  Speaker 1: super hard. People who have been supportive of the president
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  Speaker 1: have plenty of good reasons to say, hey, maybe we
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't trust yeah, and I think we're seeing them play
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  Speaker 1: out right now, right right.
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  Speaker 2: And we talked about this last episode where I hate
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  Speaker 2: that everything has to be about what we feel about
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump and not just like I don't like this,
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: I don't like this, I don't like this. It has
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  Speaker 2: nothing to do with my overarching feelings on this administration,
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  Speaker 2: which are largely positive.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, plenty of administrations actions can portend bad
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  Speaker 1: things for American deterrence or American defense that we might
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  Speaker 1: be concerned about and say it out.
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  Speaker 2: Loud, No, no, you're a neo kid.
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  Speaker 1: But I will say they are right about this point,
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  Speaker 1: which is that I do think regular voters, although they
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: will come to regret, as they did with Biden's loss
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  Speaker 1: of deterrence, some of these positions, if they play out
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  Speaker 1: badly right now, Yes, gas prices do matter more regular voters,
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  Speaker 1: and then this issue. I just think in the future
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: it won't play out well and will probably be bad
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  Speaker 1: for gas prices in the INNA if you let these
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  Speaker 1: guys have this over our heads.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the problem is that we need to be
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  Speaker 2: looking a few steps ahead. And I don't blame the
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  Speaker 2: voters for not looking those few steps ahead, but somebody
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  Speaker 2: needs to be explaining what's happening, and as always, wish
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  Speaker 2: the administration was doing just a slightly better job of that. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: all right, let's take a short break and be right
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  Speaker 2: back with more on Normally. We are back on Normally,
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  Speaker 2: where we never give you a content warning on this show,
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  Speaker 2: but we're about to discuss the rape gang inquiry report
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  Speaker 2: out of the UK and there's some really vile, awful details.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, the kids used to call it a
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  Speaker 2: trigger warning. I guess that's what this is. It's a
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  Speaker 2: trigger warning that if you don't want to hear about this,
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  Speaker 2: fast forward through this segment. But I think it's something
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  Speaker 2: we need to talk about because the truth is it's
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  Speaker 2: not getting anywhere near enough news. It's barely in our
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  Speaker 2: media at all. It's barely in British media. All around.
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  Speaker 2: People wish this would go away. I wish this didn't exist.
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  Speaker 2: But now that it exists, we need to discuss it.
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  Speaker 2: And so I'll tell you that the Rape Gang Inquiry report.
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  Speaker 2: It was launched by Member of Parliament Rupert Lowe and
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  Speaker 2: survivor activist Sammy Woodhouse from the Free Press, they write,
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  Speaker 2: this independent report estimates that at least two hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty thousand young girls may have been subjected to group
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  Speaker 2: based rape, trafficking and torture across decades in the UK.
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  Speaker 2: It identifies active networks in at least one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: forty nine local authority districts across the UK. I read
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  Speaker 2: a lot of this report. It's just mind boggling because
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  Speaker 2: you think to yourself, it can't be. It can't be
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  Speaker 2: a quarter of a million girls in a country over
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  Speaker 2: the time of ten years. Are few, you know ten
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  Speaker 2: years because they do say decades that this happened to
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  Speaker 2: them and nobody did anything, and it's the numbers are staggering.
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  Speaker 2: But the response is what is so sickening and unbelievable,
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  Speaker 2: like literally not believable. So this is from the report.
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  Speaker 2: Sentences in the rape gang cases, meanwhile, have remained at
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  Speaker 2: the lower end of the scale, often four to twelve
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  Speaker 2: years for men convicted of raping dozens of children over years,
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  Speaker 2: rather than life sentences or twenty plus year tariffs the
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  Speaker 2: offending merited. Shadow Minister for Justice Kiaren Mullen drew attention
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  Speaker 2: at our hearings to the fact that many of these,
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  Speaker 2: many of those involved in rape gangs serve as little
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  Speaker 2: as a third to half of their sentence, were still
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  Speaker 2: foreign national perpetrators, many from Pakistan and other Muslim majority countries,
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  Speaker 2: were rarely deported after sentenceding, despite clear powers under the
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  Speaker 2: UK Borders Act two thousand and seven. Instead they were housed,
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  Speaker 2: fed and upon release allowed to reoffend or return to
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  Speaker 2: their communities. I mean, this is a culture that is suicidal,
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  Speaker 2: that allowed this to go on and isn't doing anything
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  Speaker 2: about it now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and you remember probably when the first stories about
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  Speaker 1: this type of I think from Rotherham and it was
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  Speaker 1: maybe in the early two thousands or so that that
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  Speaker 1: first came up, but it went that also lasted this
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  Speaker 1: as part of the story, but that was an earlier
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  Speaker 1: sort of flash of news coverage about this, and I
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  Speaker 1: remember thinking at the time, as you point out, now
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  Speaker 1: it's so extreme it sounds like a right wing fever
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  Speaker 1: dream like there really does. It can't be real that
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  Speaker 1: the allegation that multitudes of young women and miners are
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  Speaker 1: being abused in these horrific manners by gangs that are
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  Speaker 1: organized to do exactly this, and then they are not
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  Speaker 1: being prosecuted because of this sort of left leaning desire
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  Speaker 1: to let anyone who has offended go, but compound by
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  Speaker 1: the fact that many of them are immigrants from Muslim backgrounds,
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  Speaker 1: that the left leaning overarching elite ideology in the UK says, well,
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  Speaker 1: we can't say anything about bad things that happened there
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  Speaker 1: because that would cause backlash against the people who are
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  Speaker 1: doing the bad things. And so they really are insulated
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  Speaker 1: while they commit these crimes, and in fact insulated after
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  Speaker 1: they're convicted. As you point out, it's not as if
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  Speaker 1: this is merely alleged. Some of it is because it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't investigated properly. Much of it was not investigated properly,
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  Speaker 1: and much of it was dismissed by cops and by leaders,
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  Speaker 1: even the ones that were convicted, not dealt with properly,
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  Speaker 1: not punished properly. And the extent to which the young
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  Speaker 1: women and miners were just told none of this matters
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  Speaker 1: by authorities is horrific and so they just got brought
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  Speaker 1: back into the same traumas over and over and over again. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, Bethany Mandela and I got into this a little
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  Speaker 2: bit on Jeremy Boring Show. But I say that this
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  Speaker 2: could only have happened in Britain the way that this happened, Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't even think it could have happened in France,
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  Speaker 2: which has a large Muslim population and a super left
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  Speaker 2: leaning But it's like the politeness of British people and
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  Speaker 2: the way that they are so afraid of being called racist,
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  Speaker 2: and the way that they have moved leftward in the
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  Speaker 2: last you know, couple of decades. I think all of
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  Speaker 2: that and their unchecked immigration, all of it has combined
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: to make this horrific event take place. And I don't
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: know that this could go on anywhere else in the
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: same way. I think Britain became uniquely susceptible to this
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: kind of thing and I love the UK. I'm very
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: like I was always an Anglo file, scattle file, and
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I am just sickened that this goes on, that this
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: went on like this, and that nobody did anything. And
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I say this to my kids where I say, you know,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: bad things happen everywhere. A bad event can happen anywhere.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: You have a murder in a small town and people
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: are like, oh no, this could never happen here. Bad
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: things can happen anywhere. It's the reaction that you need
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: to look at and look for. If something bad happens
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: and everybody shrugs their shoulders, you got to get out
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  Speaker 2: of that place. And that's what I feel like has
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: happened here well.
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  Speaker 1: And what's amazing too is that the kind of people
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: who are being violated are the exact kind who you
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: would think left leaning people would stick up for. They
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: are women of almost no means, often caught up in
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: either public assistance systems and then brought into these two
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: other circles by way of that, or they're in the
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: foster care system, have you know, interrupted family lives, and
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: that is what's allowing entree and then continued victimization. Because
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: these girls don't have power. They're not trusted, and the men,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the grown men in large groups that they are up against,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: have cultural cachet because the Libs don't want to step
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: on anyone's toes, and just the power of being organized
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: adults versus children. I mean, it is shocking what has
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: gone on here. And like I said, back when it
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: first broke, I had trouble even believing it and then
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: eating and saying, oh my gosh, this is actually happening.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: You will think the same if you read this report,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: which I've warn you is stomach turning if you actually
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: dig into it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I tried to find out how many people were
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: arrested for this, and it's a tough thing to find
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: out because it's just not organized as well. But like,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: for example, there was one Operation stove Wood, which was
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: an investigation into the abuse in Rotherham. Two hundred and
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: twenty people were arrested or voluntarily interviewed and only thirty
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: nine were convicted. I mean, thirty nine is an astronomical
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: number of rapists to be convicted, and yet still it
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: doesn't really scratch the surface of what happened here.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Well, imagine the loss of faith in anything from these
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: young women and girls who went to authorities. Many of
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: them went to authorities saying, this is what's happening to me,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: and we're told, eh, it seems like I don't know
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of trouble to chase this down. And how
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: do we know you're telling the truth? Like you probably like,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: did you bring this on yourself? I mean it was
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: all the stereotypes again that the Left would stand up against,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: seem to be present here and they are just all
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: those standards are jettisoned in order to stand up for
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the overarching sort of pro immigration, don't offend anyone system.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I miss when the Left was pro woman. It's I mean,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: it's funny that they have completely abandoned that cause.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do think Look, I not that I
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: wish this on the UK, but I hope you're correct
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: that it was uniquely positioned to end up in this situation. However,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I do think it is important for societies to stand
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: up for their actual ideals, not to accept that everyone
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: who comes who has different styles that include things like
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: exploiting children that might be more common in the countries
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: they came from. That we should not stand for that
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: and say it's okay, and it's.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Not racist to say it's wrong.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Just prosecute crimes regardless of the color and religion of
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the person who has perpetrated the crime. That's how you
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, that is how you do it. You just prosecute
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: the crimes that people commit, and you enforce your existing laws.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: You don't even need new laws for it. You could
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: just enforce the ones you already have.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Very much covered. Even in places like that have Soros
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: funded prosecutors to just you can just go after murderers,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: you can just go after rapists. It's on the books.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: All right. We're going to take a sharp break and
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: be right back with one more segment of normally.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: All right, we are back on normally with a couple
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: of parenting stories. First of all, Happy Father's Day from
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: the New York Times, which I'm going to just read
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: you two quick headlines. The first, Oh, do you have
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to first? Not the most extreme. This this is the
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: good one. Are you ready? Dads get postpartum depression too.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Researchers say an estimated ten percent of father's developed symptoms
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: during the perinatal period. So that's one way to celebrate
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Father's Day.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Just because men pick up the symptoms of their wives.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Maybe so if you tell your husband you're getting a
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: scratchy throat, he's immediately going to have a scratchy throat too.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe. So here's the other one to my daughter, my
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: gender was never complicated. This is a father's day piece
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: by a woman who is now a man slash dad,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: she says. And there's cartoons illustrating it. And it could
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: not possibly be more a parody of the New York Times,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Like it's just can you how is this real? Yeah,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: it's amazing. That's how we're celebrating dads in the New
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: York Times.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I kind of think people need to go see it
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: for themselves because there is this cartoons in it that
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: are just you can't imagine how ridiculous they are. And
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: the cartoons are so bad you kind of need to
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: see them for themselves. The girl is hanging on monkey
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: bars with her friends and her friend says, you can't
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: grow a beard, you're a girl, and then the daughter says,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: my dad did and he was a girl, Like wow,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: what it's just it it's really weird. And then they
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: have the dad walking down the street or the you know,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: the now dad walking down the street with the daughter,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: and the daughter says, how long did you have breasts?
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: For dad? Like questions your children should not be asking.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Also, there's a there's a panel that says, I thought
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I was teaching the daughter Elliott how to be happy
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and secure, yet all along she had been doing that
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: for me. And I would just say, that's that illustrates
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: a switching of the parent child relationship. She shouldn't be
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: doing that for you. That's not her job, and it
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: is making her deal with adult things she shouldn't have to.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: And this piece dismisses that dealing with these adult things
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: might be problematic at all for her, because you know,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: it was never complicated for her. She's so easy for her,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: of course it was. Of course, she doesn't react in
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: the same way that others might because you are her protector.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: You're the person she needs in life, and she's not
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: going to immediately go.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: What what, even if she might want to.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Yes. Someone also pointed out that over the past several
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: like past month or so, there's been several fatherhood pieces,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: one by a trans person, several by women, and two
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: by men with no children. So we're going to masculate
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: and fatherhood only from those perspectives, not the guys who
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: actually have kids.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Wesley Yang tweeted this piece and said New York Times,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: it's okay to celebrate fathers so long as they are women.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Certainly, I guess they're pro women. Again, is the women
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: who are that need to be men so rightly are right?
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some other stuff going on. Apparently having kids
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: over forty brings the judgment of the internet upon you.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: It's true, and I have to fess up because I
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: did have two over forty. This is the discourse, right,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: because the discourse is like it's better to start the
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: right leaning sort of pronatal discourse is saying we need
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: more kids. Let's stop delaying motherhood right until you get
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: older and it's harder to have kids. However, I think
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: there's a part of the discourse that's missing, Like I
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: wish I had started younger. I think that's a compisation
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: worth having. Yeah, however, I had some in my thirties
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: and then I was able to have some in my forties. Right,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: if you try to start in your forties, do not
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: assume things will be smooth. She could be a very
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: tough road for you. Could have been tough for me.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I happened to be blessed and without interventions or complications,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I had two more in my forties. But the idea
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: that you want your pronatal wan't kids. And then when
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: somebody gets pregnant with a third force in their forties,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: you're going to be mad about it. Why am I mad?
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Right? Or even the people who do end up having
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: their first in their forties, like, you don't. You can't
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: always plan it super great. You know, I had my
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: first when I was thirty. I am so bad at
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: math too.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: And not the same.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, but the thing is, I thought I was
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: kind of older because at the time that was the
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: considered you know, the older age for having kids. But
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the thing is that like, had I had kids earlier,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: they would have been with the wrong person. And I,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: you know, like things work out when they work out.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: And I don't even know if I would have had
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: kids had I stayed with any of the people that
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I dated before my husband. So, look, you can't plan everything. Like, yes,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: ideally my husband and I would have gotten married when
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: we were like twenty three, had kids our first kid
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: at twenty five. Sure, that's just not what happened.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this was triggered by the way by Anne Hathaway,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: who as an actress having her third kid, I believe,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: and she's forty three, right, so but it is not
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: her first kid, and everyone's like, oh, don't normalize that.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: This is just a happy, go lucky way of doing things.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: And as I said, you're not guaranteed to have a
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: smooth road if you start in your forties. But like,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: plenty of people have a third and fourth kid in
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: their forties and that should be celebrated. I think it's
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: good advice to say, you know, try to date intentionally
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: if you are interested in getting married. Make that part
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: of your the way you think about how you approach relationships.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: If you want to have kids, know that it does
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: get somewhat harder as you get older. And don't just
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: like think you have a runway to forty five, because
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of people let that sort of sneak up
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: on them. But as you say, when people say just
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: get married young, it's like, okay, well, sure I meet
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: somebody that I want to marry when i'm young, right right, the.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Trick of that, Yeah, I had our last kid, my
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: third kid, when I was thirty eight, and and you know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: there's definitely some part of me that wishes we had
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: a fourth, and that would have probably been at forty
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: and I don't know. Maybe it was the stigma of
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: that that made us stop, I don't know, or maybe
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: we just always planned to have three and that's what
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: we did. But you know, some part of me is
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: always like, you could have had a fourth.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Well, and I know some people say, and I think
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: about it, oh, you won't be around for everything for
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: those younger kids. That's true. Probably. First of all, it's
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: good motivation to stay in shape for me. Second of all,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: you never know what life's going to Dishie. That's true
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: any day, anytime, right. And I think also by having
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: more kids, I've given them a little crew to be
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: supportive of them when I am no longer here, and
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: that's really important to me as well. So I think
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: people too quickly go, oh, well, you're doing them a disservice.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's true.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I also don't think there's a giant difference between
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: forty three and thirty seven, you know, like it's it's
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: it's just a few years, like it's again if you're starting,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: and it might be hard and all of that of course,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: but if it's your third or fourth kid and you
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: already kind of know your body knows what to do, Like,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: what's the big deal.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Also, let me go supertruthory on everybody and tell them
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: that my fourth pregnancy at forty two years old was
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: my easiest one, my own. Your body's like, I got this,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I think honestly, I think it was having a boy.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: The girls girls like to kill me, and the last
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: one was like, do you.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Mom, I'll just tell you I have a girl and
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: two boys. They were all bad pregnancies.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, they were fine.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I just didn't enjoy it like that. I didn't have
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: anything that you know, there was no no problems, just
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: general uncomfortable and unhappy. And I was not one of
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: those happy pregnant people at all.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Oh no, I envy people who are. I congratulate them,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: but I'm not one of them.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: No, kind of hate them. Whatever. Well, thanks for joining
• 30:59
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• 31:02
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