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[Podcast] How and Why Trump Will Seek a Third Term as President (and how we can stop him) · Uncensored Objection

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  SPEAKER_00: OK,
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  SPEAKER_00: so,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: you sent over this this piece from Mitch Jackson's Substack,
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  SPEAKER_00: Uncensored Objection.
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  And it's an 18 page article and he's talking about some pretty
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  heavy stuff going on in politics.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, Trump being back as president.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: The title of this thing is, Could Trump Get a Third Term?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's right there in the title laying it out.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he's actually suggesting that this is a possibility.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, you wanted to get into this.
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  SPEAKER_00: You flagged it for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: You said, hey, let's let's take a deep dive into this.
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  You don't have,
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  you know,
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  18 pages worth of time to spend with this article.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: So so here we are.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, we're going to we're going to break this down.
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  So what's really fascinating here is that he's actually I mean,
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  he starts off.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's like, this is not just some like, you know, theoretical what if.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's like, this is an actual threat to democracy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right out of the gate.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is something that could actually happen.
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  He's sounding the alarm and it is,
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  I mean,
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  the 22nd Amendment,
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  it's pretty explicit.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Two terms.
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  SPEAKER_01: Two terms and you're done.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
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  But he's actually saying we should be concerned that this could
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  actually be broken.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's get into it.
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  SPEAKER_00: What's his I mean, he kind of lays it out.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: The why and the how.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's start with the why.
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  SPEAKER_00: Why would Trump even think about trying to do this?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, so the first thing that Jackson goes into is Trump's personality.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know.
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  insatiable desire for power you know the spotlight right he
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  loves being adored he
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  thrives on this he absolutely thrives on it and so the idea of
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  walking away from
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  that i mean jackson's arguing you know that's like a nightmare
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  scenario for him
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  yeah and we've all seen this right i mean how much he loves
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  rallies yeah how much
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  SPEAKER_00: he loves being on tv and it's not just about the power he he wants that
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, that the adoration.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cheering the crowd.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the idea of stepping away from that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Could you imagine him just quietly fading away?
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  SPEAKER_01: It just doesn't seem like something that he would be willing to do,
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  SPEAKER_01: especially because he's already,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: he said it himself.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, great.
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  SPEAKER_01: Multiple times.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's joked about serving more than two terms.
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  SPEAKER_01: And maybe at the time it seemed like a joke.
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  But,
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  you know,
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  he's back in office now and those jokes maybe aren't so funny anymore.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're hitting a little differently now.
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  SPEAKER_00: So is he serious?
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  SPEAKER_00: Does he actually believe he can pull this off?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, Jackson argues that, yeah, he really does believe he's exceptional.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's not bound by the rules.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's the only one who can fix things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's not just about the spotlight for him.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like a sense of destiny or something.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: He thinks he's meant to be president, you know, maybe forever.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's that's a little scary.
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  But,
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  you know,
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  even beyond that,
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  it's not just the personality and the ego.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's a very real reason for him to want to stay in office.
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  SPEAKER_00: Legal trouble.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, huge legal trouble.
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  I mean,
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  Jackson goes into a lot of detail about the various
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  investigations and lawsuits.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the fact that as president, he basically has immunity.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  The Justice Department has this policy that they won't indict a
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  sitting president.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So all this stuff is just on hold until he's out of office.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's January 2029.
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  SPEAKER_00: TikTok.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  So Jackson is arguing that this is a major motivator for him
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  coming back to the presidency.
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  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it buys him time.
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  SPEAKER_01: It delays these legal proceedings.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he can appoint judges who might be favorable to him.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the stakes are incredibly high.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  And Jackson makes this really chilling point that if you
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  genuinely believe that
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  SPEAKER_00: being president is the only thing standing between you and prison.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wouldn't you do anything to stay in power?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's a really disturbing thought.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then there's the whole money angle.
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  We all know about his businesses and how he's kind of blurred
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  the lines between his
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  SPEAKER_00: personal finances and the presidency.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's been a constant issue.
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  So Jackson actually suggests that the presidency is like a cash
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  cow for him.
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  SPEAKER_01: A cash register, I think, is the term he uses, which is really cynical.
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  But,
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  you know,
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  there's been so much evidence of him profiting off of the presidency.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  And the Republican Party doing business with his companies and
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  steering government
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  SPEAKER_00: money his way.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, he's raised a lot of money from his supporters.
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  SPEAKER_01: A lot.
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  So Jackson's arguing that losing all of that would be a major
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  blow to him.
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  SPEAKER_01: Both financially and in terms of his ego.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  So we've got the ego,
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  we've got the legal trouble,
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  and we've got the money.
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  And then Jackson gets into this really interesting point about
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  Trump's sense of grievance.
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  SPEAKER_01: His victim complex.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  He always seems to be the victim,
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  even when he's the one,
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  you know,
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  doing the attacking.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's always under attack.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everyone's out to get him.
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  SPEAKER_00: Always a witch hunter.
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  SPEAKER_01: Always a witch hunter, yeah.
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  So Jackson's saying that this sense of grievance is actually
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  driving him to stay in power.
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  He sees himself as the only one who can fight back against the
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  deep state or
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  SPEAKER_00: whatever he calls it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's the only one who can drain the swamp.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's not just about him.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's about saving America from these evil forces.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's very messianic, like he's on a mission from God or something.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: So...
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  SPEAKER_00: We've got a pretty clear picture of why he might want a third term.
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  SPEAKER_00: But how could he actually pull it off?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the Constitution is pretty clear.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's the big question.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Jackson lays out a few possible scenarios.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they're all pretty wild.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lay it on me.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the first one is the most straightforward.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just change the Constitution.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: It sounds simple.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: But of course, amending the Constitution is incredibly difficult.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  It requires a supermajority in both houses of Congress and then
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  ratification by
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  SPEAKER_00: three quarters of the states.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in our current political climate, that's basically impossible.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  But Jackson's point is that even trying to amend the
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  Constitution could be a win for Trump.
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  SPEAKER_01: It normalizes the idea of a third term.
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  SPEAKER_01: It gets people talking about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he can use it to rile up his base.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: He can say, the establishment is trying to silence us.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're afraid of the will of the people.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that kind of rhetoric is really powerful.
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  So even if he fails to actually change the Constitution,
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  he still benefits from the attempt.
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  SPEAKER_00: OK, so that's one scenario.
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  SPEAKER_00: What else?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, this next one is really out there.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's called the vice presidential gambit.
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  SPEAKER_00: OK, that sounds kind of ominous.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the idea is that Trump runs for vice president.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: He finds some loyalist who agrees to be a presidential candidate.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then after they win the election, the president resigns.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Trump becomes president.
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  SPEAKER_01: Boom.
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  SPEAKER_01: Third term.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that's crazy.
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  The Constitution says the vice president has to be eligible to
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  be president.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Trump wouldn't be eligible after two terms.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's a nonstarter.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, legally.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  But Jackson points out that Trump has actually talked about
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  this kind of thing before.
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  SPEAKER_00: Really?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: He knows about these loopholes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: And even if it doesn't work legally, it creates chaos and confusion.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he can again play the victim.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: The system is rigged against me.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're trying to steal the election.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So even a failed attempt could be a win for him.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  OK,
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  so we've got amending the Constitution and we've got the vice
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  presidential gambit.
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  SPEAKER_00: What else?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, this last one is the most worrying.
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  SPEAKER_01: It involves manipulating Congress and the courts.
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  SPEAKER_00: OK, so this is where it gets really serious.
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  SPEAKER_01: So imagine this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Trump runs for president again despite being ineligible.
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  SPEAKER_00: OK.
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  Loyalist election officials in certain states put him on the
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  ballot anyway.
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  SPEAKER_00: Defying the Constitution.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then it goes to the courts.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Trump's packed the courts with his own appointees.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he's betting that they'll rule in his favor.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or they'll just punt and say it's a political question, not a legal one.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the Supreme Court basically just washes its hands of the whole thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then what?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, then it goes to Congress.
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  SPEAKER_00: To count the electoral votes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  And if Congress is controlled by Trump loyalists,
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  they could just declare him the winner.
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  SPEAKER_00: Regardless of the Constitution.
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  SPEAKER_01: Regardless of anything.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's terrifying.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is.
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  And even if Congress is divided,
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  it could lead to a constitutional crisis.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: The country would be in chaos.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in that chaos, Trump could try to seize more power.
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  SPEAKER_00: Declare a state of emergency.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Use the military.
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  SPEAKER_00: Invoke the Insurrection Act.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we're talking about a full-blown coup.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what Jackson is warning about.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he's not just throwing out these scenarios for fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's saying that these are real possibilities.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that we need to be prepared.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what can we do?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is all pretty overwhelming.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, the first step is to be informed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: To understand the threat.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's why this article is so important.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Jackson's done a great job of laying out the dangers.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's really sounding the alarm.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's not just about Trump.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's about the future of democracy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  If he can get away with this,
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  what's to stop the next authoritarian leader?
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: It sets a dangerous precedent.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we need to be vigilant.
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  SPEAKER_00: We need to hold our leaders accountable.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we need to defend the Constitution.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you're listening to this and you're as concerned as we are,
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  SPEAKER_00: please go check out Mitch Jackson's article.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's on his Substack Uncensored Objection.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can find the link in the show notes.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a long read, but it's worth it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's really eye opening.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And subscribe to his Substack while you're there.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's got a lot of great insights on politics and the law.
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  SPEAKER_01: And share it with your friends.
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  SPEAKER_01: Get people talking about this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because this is not something we can afford to ignore.
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  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: The stakes are too high.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is about the future of our country.
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  SPEAKER_01: And maybe even the future of democracy itself.