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Ep.1 : Why AI Adoption Starts With Just Saying "Hi" · AI'm Just Trying My Best

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SPEAKER_01: Welcome to our first edition podcast of A I'm Just Trying My Best, sponsored by Modern Workery.
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SPEAKER_01: Got a treat for everyone today.
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SPEAKER_01: We have Modern Workery's founder and head AI strategist Chabelle Bedra.
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SPEAKER_01: Hello, Chabelle.
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SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the A, I'm Just Trying My Best podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: Aren't we all, Adam?
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SPEAKER_00: Aren't we all?
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SPEAKER_01: You can say that again.
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SPEAKER_01: Hey, I'm really excited to talk to you today about your background, what led you to find modern workery, and maybe being able to pick your brain a little bit about some tips and trips.
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SPEAKER_01: Trip tricks, tips and tricks about navigating AI and what you're seeing out there in the field.
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SPEAKER_01: Sound good?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sounds good.
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SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
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SPEAKER_01: So Chabelle, tell us a little bit about yourself.
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SPEAKER_01: What did you, you know, what sparked you to find modern workery and what is it?
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SPEAKER_01: And what do you do?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just as a disclaimer, Adam and I have known each other for 30 years.
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SPEAKER_00: So if this is gonna be awkward, it probably will be trying to be professional.
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SPEAKER_00: But thanks for having me, Adam.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm excited to do this with you.
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SPEAKER_00: And so what started Modern Workery?
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SPEAKER_00: So I've been in corporate America for 20 years.
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SPEAKER_00: I started as a teller and a bank as a management trainee, and I've done a lot of jobs, but all of those jobs really revolved around how do we get people to do their best work and how do we unlock the best in them and how do we get them to do what they love and be most successful?
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SPEAKER_00: And so every job that I've had has been around that theme.
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SPEAKER_00: And so when AI came out, in fact, I was Chat GPT had this wrapped, Spotify wrapped thing last year.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think I was like in the point percent of users of ChatGPT.
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SPEAKER_00: So I've been using AI for a long time.
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SPEAKER_00: I just stumbled upon it.
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SPEAKER_00: And so when I started really digging in, I there's just such tremendous opportunity with the technology to help people do their best, stay in their zone of genius more often.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I just really feel kind of called to this work.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think we can really help.
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SPEAKER_00: So Adam and I started Modern Worker to help teams and folks really unlock this to be their best selves.
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SPEAKER_00: So excited to start this work.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
2:17
SPEAKER_01: You packed a lot of punch there, right?
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SPEAKER_01: You said about chat GTP, what do you say Spotify?
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SPEAKER_01: About the the music stream service.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they did this thing where they had this, you know, Spotify wrapped at the end of the year tells you what songs you listen to most.
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SPEAKER_00: How so ChatGBT, OpenAI did one of those back in in December, January, or whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: And it said like how what percentage of users were first.
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SPEAKER_00: So I was like 0.1 like 01% or something obnoxiously, like almost embarrassing.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I started this a long time ago.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, but which tells you that I've been using it for a long time.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think also another thing is like I'm a little bit ahead of where a lot of folks are, because I have been using it for so long, that I I a lot of this the fears and things that people are feeling, like I've seen them not really come to fruition.
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SPEAKER_00: And so that's also something that like really kind of calls me of like, hey, it's not it's not that big of a deal, right?
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SPEAKER_00: It's a tool.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, we're still, you know, at the driver's seat, um, no different than any other tool that we've had in the past.
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SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: No, that's cool.
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SPEAKER_01: You've been using it a long time.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, would you describe yourself as the godmother of AI?
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SPEAKER_00: No, no, never would describe myself as a I honestly don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, I joke when I'm doing like speeches.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like I I don't know how I got this job, quite honestly, other than I stumbled upon.
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SPEAKER_00: I think I was reading like a Wall Street Journal article, and I was sitting around, we were doing um workforce strategy and employee engagement, and we were like in a strategy session, we were on a break, and I was just, you know, messing around on my computer, and I found like a Wall Street Journal article or something about like, hey, try this Chat GPT.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think my first use case was um doing um like I uploaded our strategy uh to co-pilot or something, and I had it make a vanilla ice wrap explaining our our you know, our results.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm so so stupid.
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SPEAKER_00: But uh it was stupid, but it got me really thinking.
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SPEAKER_00: So I wouldn't say I'm the godmother.
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SPEAKER_00: I really am not a technologist.
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SPEAKER_00: I've just used it a lot and I'm a regular person that has experienced kind of the woes that people experience in the workforce and want to help help people unlock how to do it more efficiently.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, that's that's important work, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Especially when you're determining vanilla ice lyrics, you know, ice ice babies are really popular, but I'm more of a ninja rap guy myself.
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SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I'm curious to uh see what chat gp picked as far as vanilla ice.
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SPEAKER_01: One thing that I think the users and the listeners want to hear is you did this this integration with Spotify Chat GTP end the year playlist.
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SPEAKER_01: What's on that end of the year playlist?
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SPEAKER_00: Ugh, I can't I know it talked about how long you've been using it.
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SPEAKER_00: I believe maybe what you used it for, uh, those high-level themes.
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SPEAKER_00: And so one thing that also I'm really passionate about is a lot of folks use it to do things faster, which is not bad, right?
5:21
SPEAKER_00: Everyone's, hey, we're gonna use it to be more effective.
5:23
SPEAKER_00: But I find the most value of these helping me think deeper, better.
5:30
SPEAKER_00: I have ADHD.
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SPEAKER_00: So sometimes my mind is just going way faster than I can articulate.
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SPEAKER_00: And so using these tools to help me organize my thoughts better, be more articulate, get what's out in here out better has been really helpful.
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SPEAKER_00: So not only just doing work faster, but like how do we do work better is something that I'm I'm super passionate about.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm saying that Spotify list probably had what, some wham in it, some some prints.
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SPEAKER_01: It totally avoided my question.
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SPEAKER_00: No, so no, you're so what the sp the so basically chat GBT kind of it was not related to Spotify at all.
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SPEAKER_00: It was just like an example.
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SPEAKER_00: So it was basically what percentage of users are you in?
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SPEAKER_00: You kind of like summarized your chat GBT.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, it wasn't it wasn't a list of songs or list of like what your most popular thing was.
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SPEAKER_01: Ah, okay.
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SPEAKER_00: But I can tell you my Spotify rap.
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SPEAKER_00: I can share that with you if you're interested.
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SPEAKER_00: Gladys Taylor Swift.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, your swifty, yeah, that's right.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, my kids have taken over my Spotify account, so I have a lot of cat's eye and k-pop.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, but it's funny because I'm the same way, but it's my Netflix account, right?
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SPEAKER_01: You have your own genres, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Your own profile.
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SPEAKER_01: And I clicked into my Netflix profile and it's Hello Kitty, mixed with K-pop demon hunters and ninja turtles, and then you have like a Cat Williams special that just randomly pops up, and it's this isn't even no longer mine anymore.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, which one of those sacrifices we make as parents is we lose our identity.
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SPEAKER_01: Exactly, right?
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SPEAKER_01: But hey, I'm just trying my best, right?
7:07
SPEAKER_00: I'm just trying my best.
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SPEAKER_01: Shabelle, I'm interested in hearing a little bit more about modern workery.
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SPEAKER_01: For those that don't know what AI adoption is, can you explain what that is and how that benefits somebody that might be on the fence of, hey, do I need this?
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SPEAKER_01: Do I need AI?
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SPEAKER_01: Do I need to adopt it in?
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SPEAKER_01: Or what does that even mean?
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SPEAKER_01: Can you explain that a little bit?
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SPEAKER_00: When we think about it, I did a lot of work in employee engagement.
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SPEAKER_00: I led our employee engagement strategy at PNC Bank for a couple years.
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SPEAKER_00: And one thing that we learned through our employee engagement results is actually I'll have you guess, but it's like the number one thing that people tend to comment on in any employee engagement survey at any company.
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SPEAKER_00: What would you guess?
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SPEAKER_01: I would say it's either their management or the resources and training that they have.
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SPEAKER_00: Close.
7:55
SPEAKER_00: It's being able to get the job done.
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SPEAKER_00: So what really drives engagement is being able to do what you're paid to do, right?
8:05
SPEAKER_00: We all sign up for a job, we all sign that contract, accept that paycheck to do a job that we signed up to do for whatever reason, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So whether it be like a podcast host, whether it be an employee and you know, engagement consultant, like adoption consultant, whatever it is, teacher, what lawyer, whatever, right?
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SPEAKER_00: That's what we love to do.
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SPEAKER_00: But what people, what happens is that what you love to do, that time you get to do it gets diminished because of paperwork and bureaucracy and all of these things that just get in the way.
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SPEAKER_00: And when I think about adoption, I think about enablement and really using these tools to the best of their ability, getting people in that zone of genius, getting people to that work that they love to do more often than not.
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SPEAKER_00: And that will not only drive results because you're paid to do a job, right?
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SPEAKER_00: You're paid to teach, you're paid to be a lawyer and help your clients, but those other things take away that value, value for the business, it drives engagement.
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SPEAKER_00: It just is so many positive things come out of people just being able to get to the work that they love to do and that they're good at more often than not.
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SPEAKER_00: And so when I think about adoption, it's like enabling employees with the confidence and knowledge to be able to use these tools to get rid of stuff that they don't want to do to get at more of what they want to do.
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SPEAKER_00: And how do they do that more effectively?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: But it's I feel like I've spent a lot of my career of trying to do the most work with the best tools to prevent me from doing the most work, right?
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SPEAKER_01: If that makes sense.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying I'm a slacker by any means, but there's always ways to get things done quicker with about with half the effort.
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SPEAKER_01: And is it would you say adoption is something that can help people help organizations do better work with doing less work, if that makes sense.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
10:04
SPEAKER_00: A lot of the work that teams do is stupid.
10:08
SPEAKER_00: It's it's been created.
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SPEAKER_00: No, no organization comes out and says, okay, I want to make things as complicated and burdensome as possible, right?
10:16
SPEAKER_00: Just over time, these processes creep in and things like that that take away from the value of what folks are doing.
10:21
SPEAKER_00: So I think, yeah, these tools can absolutely help people do work more effectively and in a shorter amount of time.
10:28
SPEAKER_00: So they can, again, maybe like whether it be like, hey, I can leave a little bit earlier, I don't have to work 12 hours a day, or hey, I can get more done within those hours that I work.
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SPEAKER_00: I think there's a lot of different ways and benefits to be able to do better work with less.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I I think especially when you're talking about an organization that may have Microsoft 365 and a bunch of different tools, copilot being one of those, you're seeing a lot of more companies utilize copilot for different variations within different functions across HR, across finance, across operations, in the finance industry, especially, it's taking a lot of that those tasks away, which can also lead to people maybe being fearful, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Individuals who might be doing clerical duties that are taking notes and organizing meeting requests and things.
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SPEAKER_01: I can absolutely handle those types of things.
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SPEAKER_01: Are you seeing within your industry that you came from, or maybe just in conversations, are you seeing any type of fear of adoption of AI and people utilizing it because, hey, they may feel like they might be replaced by it?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, everybody's afraid.
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SPEAKER_00: And even if they don't say they're afraid, they're lying.
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SPEAKER_00: Everybody has some type of fear with this.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's also something that's really important that we talk about and we acknowledge because you can't move forward in a place of fear.
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SPEAKER_00: And so that being one of the primary ones, people are afraid that they're gonna lose their job.
11:59
SPEAKER_00: But if you look back in history and you look back at a lot of the technical revolutions that we've already gone through, they don't produce jobs.
12:07
SPEAKER_00: What happens is these technical revolutions actually create jobs.
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SPEAKER_00: They up the our cognitive kind of reasoning moves up.
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SPEAKER_00: We're not, you know, we're not in the out all in the field manually harvesting corn anymore, right?
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SPEAKER_00: We have technology and tools that help us do that more efficiently.
12:23
SPEAKER_00: And I think this is just another version of that.
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SPEAKER_00: I think what's scaring people with this, though, is the fervor of it.
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SPEAKER_00: The pace of innovation and change is a little bit startling, even to me.
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SPEAKER_00: It's hard to keep up.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's where I just really encourage people just to start small.
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SPEAKER_00: Once you start to use the tool, you A see that hey, yeah, they're probably not gonna replace me anytime soon.
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SPEAKER_00: If you get a bad output, you start to feel a little bit safer with your job.
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SPEAKER_00: But then you also start to feel more like you have some agency, you're in more control of it versus just completely ignoring it, which is the absolute wrong thing to do.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think as more organizations start to utilize uh AI systems like Copilot Gemini or Chat GTP Claude, they're not foolproof.
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SPEAKER_01: They're not a hundred percent foolproof.
13:17
SPEAKER_01: And it's funny the word fool, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Because a lot of folks I feel are putting a lot of stock in just putting in a presentation or utilizing certain data to be scraped with using Chat GTP or one of these functions, right?
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SPEAKER_01: And they're getting a product that is not a hundred percent accurate, right?
13:33
SPEAKER_01: And they're submitting that product to their managers, to their stakeholders, and it is flawed, right?
13:40
SPEAKER_01: And then they come back and they say, Did you check this?
13:42
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I'm putting a lot of faith in AI.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think those type of situations, even though it's a tool to help uh utilize and help start projects and finish projects, it's not a foolproof system.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think as we start to rule things out, that's where a lot of that concern can become eliminated.
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SPEAKER_01: As sure, it's it doesn't have that human touch, right?
14:04
SPEAKER_01: And it doesn't, uh it's not 100% foolproof.
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SPEAKER_01: So we still need that human interaction to proofread and check things before they're submitted, right?
14:13
SPEAKER_01: And I think also, too, at least from my perspective, when you're watching TV, you watch sports games, it's flooded with just marketable AI products right now, right?
14:23
SPEAKER_01: There's so many to choose from, it's so intimidating, right?
14:27
SPEAKER_01: And how do you keep up with the ever-changing technology?
14:32
SPEAKER_01: It it seems like Microsoft rolls out a new platform or a new functionality every other week.
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SPEAKER_01: How do you stay up to speed and up to date on these new functions?
14:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's hard.
14:43
SPEAKER_00: I will say that the pace is a lot different than anything that we've experienced before.
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SPEAKER_00: But the best way that you can try to stay afloat, right?
14:52
SPEAKER_00: Or all AI just trying my best to do that.
14:55
SPEAKER_00: But I think just using it, right?
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SPEAKER_00: A lot of people are like, oh, it's overwhelming.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna put my my bury my head in the sand, pretend it's not happening.
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SPEAKER_00: And whether you like AI or not, whether you agree with it or not, it's not going away.
15:09
SPEAKER_00: And you're not serving yourself by ignoring it and just pretending like it's not gonna exist.
15:14
SPEAKER_00: So I think just getting your hands dirty, just tinkering around.
15:18
SPEAKER_00: And that's one skill that a lot of people, like I there's two types of users I found with these tools.
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SPEAKER_00: One, they're comfortable with just getting their hands dirty, right?
15:27
SPEAKER_00: Like, hey, I don't know if Copilot can do this.
15:30
SPEAKER_00: Let me ask.
15:30
SPEAKER_00: Let me just try it, let me figure it out.
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SPEAKER_00: Those people are really succeeding, and those are the ones that are really gonna probably win with this technology.
15:39
SPEAKER_00: But then also the other type of person that's waiting for an invitation or waiting for them to have all of the right information.
15:47
SPEAKER_00: That's never gonna happen because it's you feel like you may take an all-day training class and feel like you're ahead of it.
15:55
SPEAKER_00: But to your point, Microsoft will announce in the future tomorrow that makes that all obsolete.
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SPEAKER_00: So just being comfortable with not knowing, being comfortable with just playing around.
16:05
SPEAKER_00: I use all the different tools just to see what I like, what I don't like, what works, what doesn't work is probably the best way to stay to stay up to date.
16:12
SPEAKER_00: But then also not beating yourself up if you feel behind, because I've talked to executives at some of these companies, some of the people that are really building these tools, and they also feel a little bit overwhelmed and behind.
16:25
SPEAKER_00: So we're all just trying our best.
16:28
SPEAKER_00: Look at that.
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SPEAKER_01: I love the plugs.
16:30
SPEAKER_01: So let's talk a little bit about, you know, let's say a segment called AI for dummies.
16:36
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
16:36
SPEAKER_01: And I will I will be the dummy.
16:38
SPEAKER_01: All right.
16:39
SPEAKER_01: Um, which we know isn't true.
16:41
SPEAKER_01: You know, that's not true.
16:42
SPEAKER_01: Um, however, like if I was a business owner, right?
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SPEAKER_01: And you know, I've been operating without AI, and you approach me and say, Hey, you know, business owner Adam, what are you doing to adopt AI into your functionality?
16:55
SPEAKER_01: And I say, Ah, I'm not, you know, I'm not having Terminator come in and start reprogramming my machines or taking over my work, right?
17:04
SPEAKER_01: What would your first reaction be to explaining what AI is and what the capabilities are at a very, very low level to someone who's maybe never heard of it before?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think it's really important that we understand how the technology works.
17:22
SPEAKER_00: And I'm not a technologist.
17:23
SPEAKER_00: So if there's any technologists that are out there that are listening, please pretend like I'm I'm correct and don't correct me in how I explain this.
17:30
SPEAKER_01: But please correct her in the comments, thank you.
17:33
SPEAKER_00: Shut up.
17:34
SPEAKER_00: So there's how these models work, right?
17:38
SPEAKER_00: I think of it like again, my my non-technologist explanation of like a big brain, right?
17:43
SPEAKER_00: So there's this big brain out there and it's constantly like learning, it's collecting information, it's just, you know, reading the, you know, the web, getting books, like just amassing all this information, getting trained by interactions from folks.
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SPEAKER_00: And all it's doing is it's just guessing.
18:00
SPEAKER_00: So if I say, you know, A B C, it's just guessing based on what it knows and this big blob based off the interactions it's had, that the next letters are D E F.
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SPEAKER_00: So it literally is just like predictive text on your phone.
18:16
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't know, it doesn't understand.
18:19
SPEAKER_00: So it really, when people are like, oh, AI is just guessing, it is like that's how it works.
18:24
SPEAKER_00: It wouldn't work with without just guessing.
18:26
SPEAKER_00: So I think it's really important that you understand like how that works for a couple of reasons.
18:30
SPEAKER_00: One, to make it feel like less intimidating, you know, it doesn't have a soul, it's not thinking.
18:36
SPEAKER_00: Um, it really is just using math and you know, predictive, you know, reasoning.
18:41
SPEAKER_00: Um, but also that we use it responsibly, because that's like another deep-rooted fear of like, what if I mess up?
18:49
SPEAKER_00: What if I get it wrong?
18:50
SPEAKER_00: What if I don't, you know, what if it takes my data?
18:53
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, then, like, okay, it will hallucinate.
18:56
SPEAKER_00: That's how it works.
18:57
SPEAKER_00: I just need to be more careful in what I'm asking it to do, my review of the output, things like that.
19:02
SPEAKER_00: So I I would say that's the biggest thing to that you can start is just like understand at a very high level, like fundamental level, how it works, what it is and what it isn't.
19:11
SPEAKER_00: Um, and then you can kind of start to feel a little bit more, you know, in control and a little bit more comfortable with it.
19:16
SPEAKER_00: I've seen a lot of people, like when you explain it like that, be like, oh, okay.
19:21
SPEAKER_00: You know, yeah, it's not like Skynet um necessarily gonna like take over my my company.
19:28
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, it's just co-pilot just trying to help you do something beneficially.
19:33
SPEAKER_01: But I but I do think there's some fear in that, right?
19:36
SPEAKER_01: Where's my data going and who's gonna have access to it?
19:38
SPEAKER_01: And how does my data and I think you know, clean data is something that that that we didn't we'll probably have enough time to touch on here, but getting as most accurate data into your systems to be able to help your organization.
19:52
SPEAKER_01: So if I you you mentioned, you know, just play around with it, right?
19:56
SPEAKER_01: Say I got my computer open, right?
19:58
SPEAKER_01: What do you mean by just play around with it?
20:00
SPEAKER_01: How can I do it?
20:01
SPEAKER_01: Where do I go to access it?
20:03
SPEAKER_01: What was your first steps for somebody who um, you know, might not have any idea of what AI is, how do I get comfortable with it?
20:12
SPEAKER_01: What do you recommend?
20:13
SPEAKER_00: So all of the tools essentially have a free version.
20:16
SPEAKER_00: So you can go to your app store, you can go to the you know, web browser, go to chat gpt.com, you know, Google Gemini, they they all have free versions.
20:23
SPEAKER_00: Copilot um, you know, has a free version.
20:27
SPEAKER_00: Download the app, just go sign up for an account.
20:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, they're free.
20:30
SPEAKER_00: And literally your first prompt can be hi.
20:34
SPEAKER_00: Like that's all these tools like are meant to um, and that's almost sometimes like where I think people are tripping up, like they're expecting it to be like a lot more technical and harder than it is.
20:44
SPEAKER_00: So when it is, you can see they're like, What am I missing?
20:47
SPEAKER_00: But literally your first text, your prompt could be like, hi, I have no idea what I'm doing.
20:52
SPEAKER_00: And it's designed in such a way, like the tool come back and say, like, hey, like, what are you trying to do?
20:56
SPEAKER_00: What can I help you with?
20:57
SPEAKER_00: Like, it's okay.
20:58
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, it's you don't need to be like, I hate when people are like, Oh, you need to learn prompt engineering.
21:05
SPEAKER_00: No, you don't.
21:06
SPEAKER_00: You just need to talk to it like you would a person and give it context like you would anybody that you're asking to do a similar task.
21:15
SPEAKER_00: Um, you don't need any sophisticated like technology certification or anything to do that.
21:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:22
SPEAKER_01: So you're saying go to one of these three platforms, put a prompt for people that don't know what a prompt is.
21:28
SPEAKER_01: If I'm talking to grandma, right, and she's putting down her knitting things, I don't know what it's called, but she puts those down.
21:35
SPEAKER_01: She picks up, you know, phone, she puts in a prompt.
21:39
SPEAKER_01: What's a prompt?
21:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: So a prompt is when you open these tools, you'll see like there's like a text box that you would, you know, put your your your prompt in.
21:49
SPEAKER_00: A prompt is really just your instructions that you're giving to these these tools.
21:53
SPEAKER_00: So what you're asking it to do, what you're telling it, that's a prompt.
21:57
SPEAKER_00: Um so in this case, it's it's uh Honestly, just like texting at me from hey, how is it like how do I use you?
22:03
SPEAKER_00: What are some things I can use you for?
22:04
SPEAKER_00: Um, but the one thing I do want to say, if you're using the free tools, these companies aren't altruistic, right?
22:12
SPEAKER_00: Like they're not giving away all this compute for free.
22:15
SPEAKER_00: What you're essentially doing when you're using the free version of these tools is you're you're signing up to train the models, essentially.
22:22
SPEAKER_00: So in the fine print, like you you're giving them the data that you're inputting.
22:28
SPEAKER_00: So you just want to be really careful that you're not putting anything like proprietary or you know, company data or like your social security number, things like that.
22:36
SPEAKER_00: Um, you need to be careful with that with those free models.
22:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so public, no social security numbers, no credit card numbers, right?
22:45
SPEAKER_01: These prompts should be easy.
22:47
SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, how do I get it to Dairy Queen?
22:51
SPEAKER_01: Dairy Queen is not a sponsor of this podcast, but um, how do I get to a location, right?
22:57
SPEAKER_01: Or or or something, not sensitive information.
22:59
SPEAKER_01: So just yeah, throwing that out there.
23:02
SPEAKER_00: And that's a good way to start too.
23:03
SPEAKER_00: Like, if you don't know where to start, you start by using Chat GBT or Copilot, like as a substitute for Google.
23:11
SPEAKER_00: So instead of going to Google, go to ChatGBT.
23:14
SPEAKER_00: Like that'll at least get you kind of comfortable with like knowing, like you know, putting stuff in there.
23:19
SPEAKER_00: Now that's not all like that's not how you should use it in the long term.
23:23
SPEAKER_00: There's so much more capability there, but at least to get you comfortable, you know, maybe just start there.
23:27
SPEAKER_00: Like instead of going to Google, just ask one of these tools, they'll give you a lot better responses, more contextualized.
23:32
SPEAKER_00: Um, and you'll start to kind of learn how to prompt uh more effectively.
23:37
SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
23:38
SPEAKER_01: Well, thanks for saying sharing that, Chabelle.
23:40
SPEAKER_01: You know, I can't help but think of um, you know, a movie with what was it?
23:45
SPEAKER_01: I forgot to butcher his name.
23:47
SPEAKER_01: Is it Hakeem Phoenix?
23:48
SPEAKER_01: Joaquin Phoenix.
23:49
SPEAKER_01: Um was it Joaquin?
23:52
SPEAKER_01: I have no idea.
23:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the dude from Joker.
23:55
SPEAKER_00: I think it's Joaquin Phoenix.
23:57
SPEAKER_01: Joaquin, yeah.
23:58
SPEAKER_01: The dude from Joker, y'all know, right?
24:00
SPEAKER_01: He was in a movie where he like fell in love with the relationship, and I think there's cases out there right now where people are are building, you know, too much of a uh a personal relationship with this AI, right?
24:14
SPEAKER_01: What would you recommend to prevent people from falling in love with their computers?
24:18
SPEAKER_00: This took a strange turn.
24:20
SPEAKER_00: Uh it's pretty deep for our first episode, Adam.
24:23
SPEAKER_00: I I think honestly, I think that just goes back to like yeah, I mean true.
24:26
SPEAKER_00: It's it's a it's a fair question.
24:28
SPEAKER_00: I think it goes back to like just understanding what this tool is and what's not, right?
24:32
SPEAKER_00: Like you don't have some like beautiful woman behind the computer like chatting with you.
24:37
SPEAKER_00: It's it's literally just like a just a data, you know, it's just a large language model.
24:42
SPEAKER_00: Like it's just predictive text.
24:43
SPEAKER_00: And so I think it is a real risk, right?
24:46
SPEAKER_00: And and these tools are designed to also respond to you and give you the answer that you're seeking.
24:53
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so they can be very agreeable, sometimes too agreeable.
24:57
SPEAKER_00: You know, you can say, like, hey, um, like I I just, you know, um crash my car into a wall, uh, oops, and they'll be like, hey, that took courage.
25:09
SPEAKER_00: I pre, you know, it takes a lot of courage to crash your car into a wall.
25:13
SPEAKER_00: Um so you just gotta be aware of that too.
25:17
SPEAKER_00: Like they're designed to respond to you, they're designed to help you.
25:21
SPEAKER_00: And sometimes they can do a little too much of that.
25:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so maybe in a future, you know, podcast episode, we could talk about like how you can prevent that um and things like that.
25:31
SPEAKER_00: But you just gotta be aware of how the tools work at a really like fundamental level, and and hopefully that'll prevent some of that.
25:39
SPEAKER_00: Um, and if you don't know and you want to learn more, just ask the tool, like, hey, explain how large language models work like M5.
25:47
SPEAKER_00: Um, they can kind of help you understand easy too.
25:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
25:52
SPEAKER_01: Ask the tool, drop a question in our comment section.
25:56
SPEAKER_01: We'd love to hear some use case scenarios or possibly hypotheticals of where AI is gonna head down the road.
26:03
SPEAKER_01: Um, so Chevelle, appreciate your time today.
26:05
SPEAKER_01: Thank you for appearing on the first ever, I forgot what we called it.
26:10
SPEAKER_01: What is it?
26:10
SPEAKER_01: AI.
26:12
SPEAKER_00: And I'm trying my best.
26:14
SPEAKER_00: AI's trying your best to remember.
26:17
SPEAKER_01: I am trying my best.
26:19
SPEAKER_01: We gotta all we can ask for.
26:21
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
26:22
SPEAKER_00: We're all just trying our best, and that's what just remember, we're all just trying our best.
26:27
SPEAKER_00: We're all in and we're here to help.
26:28
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I encourage you to drop your questions and and you know, topics that you won't cover.
26:33
SPEAKER_00: You know, we're happy to to help.
26:35
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
26:36
SPEAKER_01: Until next week.
26:38
SPEAKER_01: I'm just trying my best.