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Lady and the Tramp II: Scamp's Adventure · The After Ever After Podcast

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Hello, everyone, and welcome to the After Ever
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After podcast, the show where we take a look
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at Disney sequels to truly see what life is like
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after ever after. I'm James, and I am joined
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by my co -host Andy over here. Oh, James, how
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are you doing? I'm very well. How are you? I'm
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good. I'm good. Good. That's really good. And,
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uh... wide -eyed listeners may be able to tell
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that there's someone else on this call with us
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as well. How will anyone have told them? I don't
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know. I don't know. We have the wonderful Luke.
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With their wide eyes. Wide -eyed, wide -eared,
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who knows? We have the wonderful Luke Thomas
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with us from the Sandler Pit podcast, the Real
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Boys podcast, and the LEGO Sequels podcast, and
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probably another one that I've forgotten. Luke,
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welcome. Hello, thank you very much for having
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me. We're so happy to have you on the show. Thank
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you. How are you today, Luke? I'm very good.
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I'm sorry for delaying the recording of this
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a bit. I've been doing a lot of crafts today.
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That's fine. I'm also a little bit tired, so
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I'm sorry if I don't talk. Oh, you just come
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on to sit in silence and stare at the pictures
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of me and Andy. What listeners might not know,
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because I've listened to all your episodes today
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whilst doing my crafts, is that you record with
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no camera on. That's crazy. Yeah. We don't like
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looking at each other. I don't mind looking at
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Andy, but... I usually just draw a better version
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of James and then I look at that. What would
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a better version of James look like? It's got,
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like, the most chiseled chin ever. Big breasts.
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Cheekbones. Big breasts, yeah. You can barely
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see his chiseled chin. Well, yeah, I'm swell.
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I mean, I've just watched Lady and the Tramp
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2, so I'm a certain kind of mood. Not terrible.
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Yeah, me too. Well, I'd be curious, because this
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will be our first one with you, what is your
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kind of general relationship with Disney sequels?
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So, I guess... I liked The Lion King 2 and 3.
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And Toy Story 2 is the first film I ever saw
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at the cinema. Does that count? It's a Pixar
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sequel. Enough for short conversation. Oh yeah,
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100%. I don't like Disney sequels typically.
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And not to skip ahead too much, but it all started
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with this film. So I'm a huge Lady and the Tramp
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fan. I think this was the thing I was the biggest
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fan of ever. And then this sequel. Well, as a
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little boy. And then this sequel, I remember
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it being the first time I was ever disappointed
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in my life. Some spoilers for Luke's thoughts
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on this one. I'm very excited to hear more. But
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Disney sequels to me, I think... They seem to
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have gotten a lot better as time's gone on, but
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I'll be honest, I haven't watched a lot of them.
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And when I heard you both talking about Cinderella
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3, that sounded kind of sick. It's one of two,
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is it, that are in Disney Classics for us? I
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think so, yeah. I think we both liked Bambi 2
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enough, but other than that, Fantasia 2000 and
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Cinderella 3 have been the ones that we found
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actual value in. Yeah, Cinderella 2, absolute...
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Dog water. Yeah, and the others have been middle
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of the rage apart from Return to Neverland, which
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sucks as well. When's this episode coming out?
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Is it before Christmas or after Christmas? Before
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Christmas. All right, okay, so I won't... I won't
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talk about what I did today because it might
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ruin my girlfriend's Christmas present. But yeah,
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if my girlfriend's listening right now, you're
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never going to find out. But the thing I was
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doing was a bit weird and wrong. And then it
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was just me alone. doing this thing that was
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wrong and chuckling to myself listening to you
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talk. It sounds like you cheated on her while
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listening to our podcast. No, alright, okay.
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Yeah, I didn't do that. I was doing something.
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You're like a little tramp boy. Clowning all
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the other dogs. What's the dog in Lady and the
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Tramp? The other dog? Peggy? Lady and this tramp.
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There's Peggy. Oh, for God's sake. We're just
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about to record about this and you don't even
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know who Peggy is. We are recording. Good point.
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Oh, the Pekingese. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Excuse me?
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She's a Pekingese. Oh, is that the name of a
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dog that has like a fringe over its eye? Yeah.
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Is that what she is? Wait, were you cheating
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on your girlfriend with Peggy? Yes, I was, yes.
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Oh, my God. That's the Christmas secret. Not
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the only Disney character that you've got the
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hots for as well, is it? Excuse me? Excuse me?
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The fish. Yeah, the fish from Pinocchio, I think,
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is quite alluring. It's got beautiful eyelashes.
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Let's get this back on the rails. Yeah, sorry.
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Go on. Yeah, I'll keep quiet. Before we look
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at Lady and the Tramp Loop, we like to look back
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at Disney classics that may have not had a sequel.
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Between the last one we did, which was Peter
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Pan and this, there is actually... nothing in
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between so instead we're just going to take a
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quick look at the before ever before of the evil
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ways peter pan has continued nice hell yeah so
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this is uh mine and james's favorite franchise
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from disney yeah we love it so much yeah fantastic
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yeah fantastic i actually i like to call it andy's
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what we call a peter file he loves peter pan
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Another famous pedophile that may be out there
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is maybe David Lowery, who directed A Ghost Story
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and The Green Knight, because he actually, for
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some reason... directed peter pan and wendy in
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2023 directly for disney plus this isn't the
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first one he's done as well he did pete's dragon
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so i don't know if he's just doing it for the
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money which is completely fair if so like no
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criticism but or maybe he just generally likes
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this process but yeah came out went straight
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to disney is that a live action film sorry it
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is yeah is that the one with hugh jackman no
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you're thinking of pan Oh, sorry. With Nirvana
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in it. That one was just unrelated. But this
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one's got Jude Law as Captain Hook instead. Oh,
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yeah, yeah, I remember this coming out. I don't
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remember this coming out at all. Because, Andy,
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you mentioned it, I think you mentioned it very
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briefly last week. Last episode, sorry. Yeah.
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And I had no idea this was a thing. And the fact
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that it's David Lowery of... One of my favourite
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films of whenever it came out, The Green Knight,
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is insane. Like, the fact that he would go from
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Green Knight to then just be like, Peter Pan
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time. Very strange. So I take it no one's actually
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seen this one? No. No, I haven't. It's got mostly
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middling to bad reviews, which is a shame. I
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do kind of want to check it out just for the
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David Lowery connection, and I do like Jude Law.
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I liked him in his other Disney Plus... project
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where he plays a pirate that harasses little
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kids, which is Skeleton Crew. Hell yeah. Haven't
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seen it. Yeah, shame. He's probably got the best
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going bald head. Maybe. Oh yeah, he owns it.
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Other than the live action one though, there's
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Tinkerbell got her own spin -off series of films
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that consists of six individual Tinkerbell standalone
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movies as well as a television special and a
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short film. Now, I asked Andy if we are going
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to cover these. You've got it. Outside of the
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podcast, I said, are we going to cover these
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on the podcast? And we kind of just talked about
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it. This was before we'd both watched Peter Pan
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and Return to Neverland. I never want to revisit
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this character again. I hate Tinkerbell. I think
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we can get away with it. It's not really a sequel.
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It's a spinoff. Yeah, true. Go to hell. There
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were plans for a seventh and an eighth one. The
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seventh got scrapped because of story reasons
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and the eighth and final film should have been
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Tinkerbell meeting Peter Pan, how they end up
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in Neverland and how Peter cut off Hook's hand.
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But there was plummeting sales and Disney Toon
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Studios closed so that ended up just being scrapped
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completely. Hell yeah. Oh, he's got a cast. Yeah.
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Sorry, I was just looking at the cast as well.
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It's Mae Whitman as Tinkerbell, as well as Lucy
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Liu, Raven Simone, America Ferreira, Zendaya,
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Rosario Dawson, Danny Guerrero, Michael Sheen,
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and Tom Hiddleston as Captain Hook. Wow. What?
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What a banging cast! They're not all in all of
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them. That's the highlights sprinkled across
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all six of the specials. And they've all got
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reasonably positive reviews as well. It's mad.
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That's good, at least. It's got Kristen Chenoweth
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in it as well. The good witch from Wicked. Oh,
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like for the original stage show? Yeah, the original
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stage show. She was in Wicked as well. She's
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like the little... She's one of the people of
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Oz. Yeah, I remember. I'm never going to watch
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it still. Yeah, no. Absolutely not. The only
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one that sounds actually interesting is the one
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that cancelled where you see Peter Pan cut off
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Hook's hand. I want to see that shit. I've seen
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that Tinkerbell film. It's good. Have you? Yeah,
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I've got a little sister, man. Oh, of course.
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Yeah, it came out in 2008. Yeah, yeah. Was that
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the first one that you watched? None of the others?
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I think I've watched the first one and maybe
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the Pirate Fairy or something else. I've watched
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two of them. I don't remember anything about
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them. Pirate Fairy is the one that Tom Hiddleston's
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in, apparently. So you're going to cover all
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of them, then? No. I'm never going to look at
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any of these ever again. Once I finish this little
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section. If there's... If there's enough want
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for it, then maybe we will. I'm a listener. I
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want that. I want that so bad. I'm not watching
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a Star Wars saga worth of stories about Tinkerbell.
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I think it'll be good. It's what the people want.
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I know. The people are right here. I'm your biggest
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fan. Let me listen to that. There was meant to
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be a live -action version of this coming out
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as well called Tink, but it's been in development
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hell since 2015. Reese Witherspoon was originally
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Circle in the role, but now she's just a producer
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on it, but it's still quote -unquote in development,
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but I doubt I'll ever see the light of day. Phenomenal.
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And then other than that, you've got two PlayStation
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games. One is Peter Pan Adventures in Neverland.
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One's Peter Pan The Nelgent of Neverland. That's
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PS1 and PS2 respectively. They just tied in Return
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to Neverland. Great. Finally, there's a TV show
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called Jig and the Neverland Pirates, which is
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set between Peter Pan 1 and 2. It's like a preschool
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kind of show, you know, like a dollar kind of
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thing where it's like, do you see Captain Hook?
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And there's a big gap where the kid answers.
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It's that kind of show. Sounds great. That's
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what we've got. That's it. That's all I've got.
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I mean, like, I don't really have much to say
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about it. It's just a preschool thing. It does
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have the Peter Pan characters in, but I haven't,
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like, watched any of it. I watched a clip just
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to see, like, what the animation style was, and
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it's very clear, just like a Dora the Explorer
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kind of, like, level show. Fair enough. Actually
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got the voice actor from the newer Peter Pans
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as well. Well, they didn't get the dead kid,
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did they? No, that's what I mean. Shut up. He
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died as a man, didn't he? You have to help Jake
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and the Neverland Pirates find the original Peter
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Pan's corpse in the abandoned warehouse. How
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horrible. And that's it for Peter Pan. We can
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close the book on Neverland once and for all.
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There was no Silly Symphony Sundays for Peter
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Pan. Not that I saw. Sad. What is a Silly Symphony?
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A Silly Symphony Sunday was a comic strip that,
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you know, did, like, it kind of covered... Fucking
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hell, I've never heard someone lose enthusiasm
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so much. Yeah, I was so excited, and then I was
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like, this is actually really boring. No, come
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on, come on. It just tells the story of... Well,
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Silly Symphonies were, like, what Disney called
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his old shorts. Like, you know, the dancing skeletons
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that I'm obsessed with. Oh, I love the dancing
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skeletons. And then Silly Symphony Sundays was
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just like... the comic book it was like a comic
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strip version of it so it was just a really basic
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retelling of like certain stories and stuff and
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and they didn't do it for this no i think they
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stopped like weeks and like I say weeks and weeks,
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years and years and years ago. Weeks ago? Weeks
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ago! So Big Pan was not on the cards. I meant
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like being in the podcast weeks ago because we
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haven't heard of Silly Symphony Sundays for a
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long time on the old pod, have we? Was it just
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like a wartime thing? Fuck knows. I don't really
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care, to be honest. I haven't checked. Thank
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you for the insight, man. Anyway. Should we jump
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on to Lady and the Tramp? Yeah. The OG. Let's
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do it. So, did anyone watch it before you watched
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Lady and the Tramp 2? Yes, I did. Yeah. I also
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did the double bill, so I watched the original.
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What do we think? Sick. I love it. Yeah, it's
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really nice. It's a lovely, lovely film. i thought
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it was fantastic i was like kind of like i put
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it on because i've seen this a lot and um i'll
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put it on and i'll like start doing some jobs
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while it's on because i don't need to make that
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many notes on it and then like i was just fucking
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doing that dad thing you know when like a dad
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will walk through like a living room and there's
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a tv showing like a film that he's interested
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in he just stops walking he's just stood for
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ages staring at the tv i was just doing yeah
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yeah yeah watching lady trying to get into the
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bed with the humans Oh, man. This is pulling
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my little heart. It's so lovely. It's such a
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nice, nice film. There was one part that I was
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crying laughing and then nearly started crying.
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Was that the Siamese cats? Well, no. The horribly
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racist cats. No, it was when the lady goes to
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the pound and just before, like, she gets brought
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in, all the dogs are, like, singing but howling.
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It was... I don't know what it was about it.
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It was so funny. You fucking laughed. No, yeah,
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because, like, when they're all singing, it's
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really lovely, and then it cuts to all of the
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dogs crying, and I was like, oh my god, this
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is horrible! Are you broken inside? Why were
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you laughing at the dogs at the fucking pound?
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It was funny! You thought it was funny? They
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were howling and singing away. It was lovely.
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You're crazy. Singing the blues, Jim. I know.
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It was really funny. It was all off tune and
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all of this. And then it started cutting to all
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the dogs crying. And I was like, oh my God, this
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is horrible. I can't believe you laughed at that.
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That's fucking crazy. It was so funny. Just the
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way that they were singing was... And then, yeah,
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I started nearly crying. It was horrible after
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that. I loved this film. This was my first ever
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favourite film as a child. This was my first
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ever obsession. I used to walk around with a
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lady all the time in a lunchbox. Oh, that's so
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wholesome. Hang on. Walk around with a lady.
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Did you have like a little figure of lady or
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it was on your lunchbox? I had both a figure
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and a teddy bear that came with a VHS. That is
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adorable. And I had that in there, but I thought
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it was like a briefcase. And I used to carry
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that around in a Bible. And I used to tell kids
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about Lady and Jesus. I thought they were both
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so cool. Yeah, I used to... Well, I still think
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Jesus is pretty cool. Choose your path, Western
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man. Bible in one hand, lady in the other. See,
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this is a lot. I wanted to be Tramp, and I wanted
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to be with lady. I don't know in what capacity.
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Maybe romantic? I mean, yeah, probably, knowing
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your interest for... I don't know. Disney animals.
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Well, no, this is the only Disney animal except
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for the fish from Pinocchio. And the other dog
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that you wanted to. Which dog? Oh, Peggy. No,
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that was a joke. I was joking about that. Lady,
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that was true love. This has cost me a lifetime
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of dating upper middle class women. This goddamn
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dog. And I wanted to be Tramp. I wanted that
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life. That went from wholesome to just so weird
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so fast. It's not weird. It was pre, like...
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I was a little boy. I just wanted to put my hands
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on... I just wanted to stroke her ears. They
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do look very fluffy. I don't want to fuck the
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dog now. And I didn't even then. Oh, come on.
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Grow up. surely you've got you've got something
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that you probably did the same probably the lion
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from the lion king simba no yeah probably for
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you too um what does that mean stop trying to
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deflect i'm just saying like you two probably
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feel like you want to do that to the lion if
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you're bringing that up you probably fancied
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a disney animal a bit as well You're acting like
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you're both Puritans for the sake of your listeners.
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We are Puritans. I don't know, this one just
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seems too animal -y to me, you know what I mean?
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Like, it's still a pet dog. It's just, it's a
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dog. I guess, yeah. She just had nice eyes. Nice
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ears. I don't know. I did think... I didn't think
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the character designs were, like, really sick
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in this. Like, especially, like, Tramp always
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looks, like, unkempt, but still cute. Like, they
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do a really good job of balancing that. What
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kind of dog do you think he is? He's a terrier
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mix. So he's, like, he's, like, some kind of
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border terrier mixed with who knows what. He's
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a bit tall and sexy, isn't he? Like... He's just
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known as a mutt, isn't he? He's just a stray.
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So he's a terrier of some kind because he's got
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that look to him. But then the other thing, who
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knows? Are you allowed to say mongrel? It's like
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a slur for dogs, isn't it? It would definitely
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be a slur in the Lady and the Tramp universe,
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100%. Because he gets called it by Jock. He's
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like, you mongrel! Do you know? Right at the
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end. Did you watch this film, James? Yeah, I
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just don't remember calling him a mongrel. Oh,
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is it just before he chases the rat? Yeah. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah. Oh, the rat in this, by the way,
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because basically, just to give everyone, we've
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kind of jumped ahead a bit. The premise is basically
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like a couple gets a puppy, which is Lady. She's
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really cute. They love her. But then the couple's
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going to have a baby, so there's a bit of back
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and forth on whether or not the dog will get
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replaced. A couple go on a trip away, and house
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-sitting is a... wretched woman with two wretched
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cats so lady runs away she starts dating tramp
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they come back they save the baby from a rat
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at the end uh but yeah yeah i wouldn't say that's
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the end they don't chase the rat the end it's
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chase the rat fucking sickest chase scene in
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film history with the two dogs chasing the pound
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and then it ends oh that was that was so sad
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where um Spoilers, the... Trusty gets knocked
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over. Trusty. Oh, man, I was convinced he was
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dead. I was so sad. Like, Jock, the Scottish
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terrier, starts, like, howling next to him. And
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I was like, oh, my God. I looked over at my partner,
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and she was just like, I can't do this. Trusty
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did originally die, and Peggy Lee, who plays
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Lady... was like looking over the storyboards
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and started crying and had to convince walt disney
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to change it oh my god i i have written down
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i think he maybe should have died there uh that
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was just such a disney force it's just so powerful
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uh i love that whole sequence i think it's it
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it was really rousing like it's really um evocative
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i think as a child that you really like i think
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this is what made me come back time and time
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again was that chase so good yeah i just love
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it it's very i love the way the water looks as
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they're like scampering around in it and i like
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when that trust is like this idiot comment relief
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the whole film and then he's just this force
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of nature at the end it's so good it's so powerful
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agreed yeah yeah weirdly i think my favorite
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parts of the movie were all like the really boring
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parts i just liked seeing like lady Being at
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home, being cute, and walking around with Tramp
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and all that stuff. I like the porn stuff most
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of this. I like that bit as well, actually. It's
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all good, I think. The pasta bit is iconic. We
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don't even need to talk about that. We do, because
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did you know that Disney didn't want that scene
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in the film? Why not? What? They just didn't
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want it. In the 66th anniversary re -release,
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there was a load of trivia, and one of the things
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said that Disney did not want that scene in the
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film originally. That's crazy. Isn't it? Yeah.
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They're probably the nicest film characters ever.
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They're just two Italian men who play music to
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dogs. They are. wingman lovely awesome yeah um
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i like the implication that he's been on like
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a million dates with other dogs to that same
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place and that and those two just probably do
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the same thing every time good for them great
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characters did anyone else think that tramp was
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calling a bitch the entire time no no the first
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time i heard it i was like what because it's
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like because he says pitch To me, it sounded
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like bitch. So I thought he was just like, bitch,
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let's go. And I was like, huh? I didn't hear
23:18
that at all, but I've got good hearing. I've
23:20
got terrible hearing. You need to go to the ear
23:23
doctor. I mean, I guess this film does have like,
23:27
I don't know. people doing impressions of people
23:30
from different races so maybe he did was calling
23:34
a bitch you know but exactly it's not out of
23:36
the question it is a female dog i think pigeon's
23:39
so nice as a nickname i'd love to pull that off
23:42
it's adorable i don't think i could pull off
23:44
calling someone pigeon come here pigeon nah you
23:48
mentioned the cat bit there again though like
23:50
that is just so out of pocket and like it's like
23:53
barely in the movie as well it's just like it's
23:55
not like peter pan where like the native americans
23:57
are central to it they just come and go like
24:00
so fast and it's like fucking hell what was that
24:02
it was it was i forgot it was in this film i
24:06
thought it was in a aristocats or something like
24:09
genuinely don't think i've seen this film fully,
24:12
properly before. Really? Wow. So, yeah, there
24:16
was so much that I didn't remember. As soon as
24:18
that, like, she came in and then I heard the,
24:21
um, the, like, bong! Yeah! I was like, no! I
24:29
forgot that that was what it's from! But yeah,
24:32
horrendous. The, um, stereotypical, like, even
24:37
the design of them as well. They look like, um,
24:40
Propaganda posters from the wall. I get mad.
24:43
Yeah, 100%. Oh my God, they're known as Psy and
24:48
Am. Yeah. Jesus Christ. It's stuff, isn't it?
24:53
great i like i i generally like love the rest
24:56
though like i love the hand -painted backgrounds
24:58
uh it's really nice to watch as well because
25:01
it's got that really old cinemascope aspect ratio
25:03
where it's like 2 .55 to 1 instead i think the
25:06
only ones that do that is this sleeping beauty
25:09
and wish And Wish was like a throwback to these
25:12
two. But it looks amazing. Yeah, it's really,
25:17
really stunning. The animation is beautiful as
25:21
well. And they must have taken loads of rotoscopes
25:23
from actual dogs as well. Because the animation's
25:28
unreal and really uncanny to real life kind of
25:34
thing. The way Lady wags her tail and stuff like
25:37
that is just so... Cocker Spaniel. It's great.
25:41
Well, they would usually use animals as animation
25:44
reference. When they did 101 Dalmatians, the
25:46
office was full of Dalmatian puppies. Even for
25:49
this one, one of the animators had a rat in a
25:51
cage on his desk to do the end sequence. By the
25:54
way, in one of the earlier scripts, the rat's
25:56
name was Herman for some reason. I don't know
25:58
how his name came up in conversation. Well, that
26:02
probably implies that he was going to speak.
26:05
It's me, Herman! Where's your baby? I have a
26:11
bit of a phobia of rats. I think I've kind of...
26:14
I'm trying to challenge you at the moment. I'm
26:15
trying to run up to rats if I see them on the
26:17
street. you know trying to like look at them
26:20
pick them up play with them yeah stroking them
26:22
like a dog but I always had a bit of a phobia
26:26
of them and I think it stems from this film because
26:29
there's just something about the way they animate
26:31
this fucking rat man it's wretched he's horrible
26:34
he's animated like he's Nosferatu it's mad yeah
26:37
he's got red eyes all he wants to do is kill
26:40
a baby he can't speak And, like, nearly all the
26:43
other animals can speak. Even the, like, racist
26:46
cats. Yeah. It fights Tramp, and even though
26:50
Tramp's, like, 20 times the size of him, Tramp
26:52
walks away limping. It's like, what the fuck
26:54
did that rat do to him? Because it's all offscreen.
26:56
I hate that rat. With his wicked little tail.
26:59
What's that little thing that you always talk
27:01
about, you two? The little game. The game with
27:04
all the villains in. Disney villains. Yeah, Disney
27:08
villains. That rat could be... That silent rat
27:11
is probably the best villain. I think eventually,
27:16
once we've gone through a lot of these, we need
27:19
to do our dream team of Disney villains. But,
27:23
yeah, I think I agree. The rat could go in there.
27:26
Also, nice to see a reappearance of man. When...
27:31
Pardon? Tramp of man, the villain. Oh, yeah.
27:37
When Tramp and Lady go and chase the chickens.
27:40
And then there's just a fucking gunshot. Holy
27:44
shit. That's mad, that bit. Terrifying. Terrifying.
27:48
The level of antagonism to it... I've got two
27:52
main questions I've written here, and you don't
27:54
have to answer both of them. These are more like
27:56
retorts than anything else. When did people get
27:59
into dogs? Yes, before this. The dawn of man?
28:06
Yes. When did dogs start existing in the way
28:10
we know them now, though? When did a Cocker Spaniel
28:13
start? When did that happen? Years and years
28:17
and years and years ago. Because it would have
28:20
been like early wolves and stuff like that. And
28:24
then eventually people would have, you know,
28:27
natural selection. Well, not natural selection,
28:30
but yeah. It's crazy that we had wolves and now
28:33
we have these freak dogs. Dogs were domesticated
28:38
from wolves over 15 ,000 years ago before the
28:41
advent of agriculture. This is set after that,
28:44
yeah. No, no, it's actually set before that.
28:50
But no, I think the thing... No, it's not about
28:54
the... I understand domesticated dogs existed
28:57
before the time period this film's set in. But
28:59
what I'm wondering is, did dog catchers exist
29:01
in the way they're portrayed in this film? Like,
29:04
they're a constant, like, threat, and they're
29:07
running around with a net. Yeah. It's just...
29:11
You know what? It really fucks me off. Like every
29:13
fucking talking animal film. always the same
29:17
shit and i'm not gonna give this one shit because
29:18
it's from like 1950 goddamn whatever but like
29:21
everyone you see now the talking dog they get
29:24
lost they're in the city oh there's a there's
29:26
an animal control guy it's always the same yeah
29:29
fucking shit it feels like it's a very american
29:33
thing though like i can't think of a british
29:36
film that's got like a dog in it that where the
29:39
dog goes to the pound kind of thing you know
29:42
what i mean it's a very american trope kind of
29:46
thing for these kind of films. Well, the only
29:49
thing I can think of, I can't think of a British
29:50
film about a dog, but the Shaun the Sheep movie's
29:53
got an animal control thing that puts him in
29:55
the pound. I mean, I'm really struggling with
29:58
thinking of a dog film about a dog. They're putting
29:59
sheep in a pound? No, no, no. Preston. No, he
30:04
puts the sheep in, man. He's after the sheep.
30:06
The Shaun the Sheep movie, not Wallace and Garnet.
30:09
Oh, right. Sorry, sorry. That's crazy. You fucking
30:12
idiot. Listen to the words I say next time, James.
30:16
Listen and understand them! I like the Irish...
30:26
and British man having a fight in this film.
30:28
That was good. Oh, that was fun. I like the Irish.
30:33
Bold takes only on this podcast. I enjoy the
30:40
Irish. I think the Irish are pretty cool, aren't
30:42
they? I like the fight that the Irish and British
30:45
man have. Yeah, that was really funny. Just as
30:49
a little thing, if you mention like the way like
30:53
people with dogs at this time the opening of
30:55
the film where the husband gives ladies a present
30:58
at christmas is actually based on something that
31:01
happened with disney himself and his wife uh
31:03
disney felt like really bad that he was like
31:05
kind of neglecting his wife over this like period
31:08
of time when he's working on a film and like
31:10
gifted her a pet what a pet what a pet rat no
31:15
pet dog it was herman he loved dogs a horrible
31:18
rat in a cage Diane Disney Miller told me at
31:23
the beginning of the Blu -ray. Oh, that's nice.
31:27
That's really lovely. Oh, very quickly. Tramp
31:30
fucked a chihuahua. How did that happen? Yeah.
31:33
Dogs do whatever they want. I hate all the prison
31:36
dogs. I'm glad they're in prison. No! Boris the
31:39
Borzoi was so cute. I liked him a lot. He can
31:43
rot in prison. I hope they hang him for his crimes
31:45
of not having a license. I like when he makes
31:48
a slight remark to communism and he's like, oh,
31:51
it's like a red flag. I like, well, I don't like,
31:58
but in the scene that James found hilarious,
32:00
I thought it was crazy when that dog got sent
32:03
down the green mile to die. Oh, that was fucking
32:06
horrible. Were you laughing then, sicko? I was
32:08
mad. Oh, yeah, I was absolutely howling. I was
32:11
smacking my knee. I was like, woo! laughing at
32:16
the puppies all singing i was laughing at dogs
32:19
singing they should make a ride of that at disneyland
32:22
like you go down the green mouth of dogs all
32:24
the animatronic dogs are on the side and you're
32:28
the dog that's getting put down it takes a photo
32:32
on your way and it's just a photo of james clapping
32:34
oh god damn yeah you're sicko james hell yeah
32:41
brother Cool. So with the original out of the
32:44
way, it's time to talk about the sequel. Lady
32:48
and the Tramp 2 Scamps Adventure. Now, normally
32:53
Andy or I would recap this, but Luke, do you
32:58
want to recap what happens in this film? Just
33:00
a quick synopsis, you could say. Yeah, okay.
33:04
Of the whole film. Yeah, like very briefly. Just
33:07
a synopsis. We're on a time blower here. Alright,
33:11
so the year is... What year is it? What year
33:14
is this fucking... I get... It's sometime after
33:18
15 ,000 BC. It's 1911. Is it 1911? Isn't it sad
33:22
that Scamp will one day see the Great War? He'll
33:26
be a fighting age then as well. So sad. So it's
33:30
1911. It's America. The animations were... And
33:35
I don't know how much longer this is after Lady
33:37
and the Tramp won. Probably like a year? About
33:40
a year and a half. A year and a half? Nice, okay.
33:44
Yeah, from my calculations. Wait, what? How are
33:48
you still puppies, though? I don't know. Lady
33:51
and the Tramp says it's set in 1909. Lady and
33:54
the Tramp 2 says it's set in 1911. All right,
33:57
but I think... Oh, no, wait. Wait, wait, wait.
34:00
No, no, no, no, no. I think this is... I think
34:02
most of Lady and the Tramp 1 is 1909. And then
34:05
the Christmas bit with the dogs, I think that'll
34:07
be like... Christmas 1910. I think so, yeah.
34:10
And then this is July. You haven't got enough
34:11
time to fuck. This is July. Because it's nine
34:13
months to have a puppy, isn't it? Yeah, this
34:14
is July. Oh, is it? No, it's not. How long does
34:18
it take to birth a dog? Yeah, good question.
34:20
About six weeks. Really? It's really quick. I'm
34:23
pretty sure. Shut the fuck up. Dog pregnancy.
34:27
Why am I giggling? Dog pregnancy. Yeah, 63 days.
34:32
Fucking hell. Wow, this could be... christmas
34:34
two night it doesn't matter do you think scamp
34:36
came out of the same litter as the other three
34:38
how did that happen it seems to have yeah it's
34:41
weird isn't it he's like a mutant i like this
34:43
really simple way that cartoons always like have
34:46
like crossbreeding puppies where it's just like
34:48
this will look like that and that'll look like
34:50
that like this like yeah like yeah i i'm kind
34:53
of surprised that they didn't do the like mixing
34:56
kind of thing because a lot of them do that especially
34:58
when it's like two weird dogs they'll or Or something
35:02
like that. It'll be like, they'll have the ears
35:04
of this one. Like, think of Shrek 2 with donkey's
35:09
kids and stuff. I refuse to think of those abominations.
35:13
Those characters work at the end of the first
35:17
film as like, oh, here's three lovely ladies
35:21
and then just one arsehole one. But, like, if
35:25
they'd have thought about making a sequel, I
35:27
guess they'd have maybe made them all look a
35:29
bit more visually interesting. Yeah, a bit more
35:32
unique. Whatever. Scamp is, like, a little prick.
35:34
And he's just, like, causing... He's running
35:37
amok. It's Independence Day. And his sisters
35:42
are horrible. And his mum doesn't speak. And
35:46
then his dad is, like... He's, like... My dad's
35:49
so fucking boring. I hate him. I want to live
35:52
on the street like a rat. And then he runs off
35:55
to go hang out with some cool, cool dogs at the
35:59
junkyard. And hilarity ensues. That's exactly
36:05
what I was thinking. And then... lessons are
36:10
learned, and the film then ends. Yep. Grass isn't
36:14
always greener, the movie. Yeah, exactly. Pretty
36:17
much. This one came out in February 2001. It
36:24
went up against, well, it didn't really get much
36:26
of a theatrical release. It did in some countries,
36:28
as they usually do, but it was only through seven
36:32
countries, not even the UK at this time. But
36:35
February 2001 would have been the release of
36:37
films like Hannibal and Recess Schools Out, two
36:41
very closely identified films. What a crazy trilogy
36:45
in the cinema. There's not really any box office
36:53
to report on it because, once again, as we found
36:55
out, if it doesn't come out in America, it doesn't
36:57
get fucking stats. What a shame. It's got some
37:00
actual... anime is working on it. Because sometimes
37:03
we find out, Luke, when we're doing this, someone
37:06
will work on one of these Disney sequels and
37:08
they never work again. Yeah. Oh, wow. But for
37:11
this one, you've got some who've actually worked.
37:13
You've got Daryl Rooney and Janine Russel, who
37:16
directed it. Rooney did Mulan 2 and Lion King
37:20
2 as well, whereas Janine Russel's mostly a producer.
37:22
It's written by Tom Rogers, who also worked on
37:25
Lion King 3 and Little Mermaid, Ariel's Beginnings.
37:28
Bill Motz and Bob Roth, who both worked on The
37:30
Big Hero 6. series and the monsters of a zillion
37:33
series so reasonable creative team behind it
37:36
yeah yeah and uh daryl rooney also you missed
37:40
out a big thing he started working at disney
37:43
in uh 78 and was originally working as a visual
37:49
effects animator on andy's favorite film tron
37:53
wow I prefer the second one, but I do like Tron
37:56
1. It is a banging film. God, what a bad year
37:59
2001 was, eh? It wasn't great! I remember being
38:04
a little boy, I was six, and as I told you, I
38:08
was obsessed with Lady and the Tramp. I used
38:11
to carry Lady around in my box, in my briefcase,
38:16
and I used to keep Tramp at home. because i think
38:19
you've just seen too much of the streets you
38:21
know lady was the one who needed to get out in
38:26
the world i need to show the world uh yeah but
38:29
i had my lady and my tramp and i used to love
38:31
lady in the tramp and watch it all the time and
38:33
i remember seeing in meadow hall the uh the the
38:37
cardboard cut out for this lady in the tramp
38:39
2 scamps adventure and the video and then a little
38:44
toy scamp that came with it and i was over the
38:47
moon i was like oh oh my God, this is it. My
38:50
moment has finally come. And I remember that
38:55
was the first time I ever felt disappointment
38:58
and sadness. Like deeply. I was so disappointed
39:03
in this. I thought they'd turned Tramp into a
39:06
fucking loser. And I was so annoyed about it.
39:10
But that being said, I don't hate it as much
39:13
as I did when I was six. Okay. that's good i
39:16
still don't like it but is there anything like
39:22
about it that you thought like that's actually
39:23
better than remember or is it just direct and
39:25
it's like because you're coming into it and knowing
39:26
that it's like shit i think uh i misremembered
39:30
tramp's arc i thought he was much more of a like
39:33
critical arsehole the whole time when in fact
39:37
he's not that bad It's mainly Scamp who's a prick.
39:41
Oh. Scamp sucks. Scamp. What an arsehole. I just
39:45
wrote down instant hatred of Scamp, loser nerd.
39:50
I hate him. I hate his songs. They're crap. Yeah,
39:56
I do not like him as a main character. I think
39:59
he is really shit. Yeah. Yeah, and it's... weird
40:04
because like you can kind of get at the beginning
40:06
like oh he does want to be free and play about
40:09
because he doesn't really get that at home but
40:11
like quite a lot of the time in the film like
40:14
stuff's going really badly for him like he's
40:16
almost getting killed and like they're treating
40:18
him like shit and like he still is very determined
40:21
like this is what i want and it's like Are you
40:23
an asshole? Buddy, come on. He's stupid. He's
40:28
just being a prick for being a prick's sake.
40:31
He's not a nice character to watch. He's just
40:35
a dick. No, and it's not interesting at all.
40:37
Exactly. There's a point where he and Angel,
40:41
one of the dogs that he meets at the junkyard,
40:44
end up going back to his house. And he sees how
40:48
much his family miss him. And like the baby's
40:52
crying. They're all so sad. And he literally
40:56
goes, yeah, whatever. I want to go and fucking
40:59
roll around in the dirt. What a fucking scumbag.
41:03
Even the dog's calling him out on it. Like, what
41:05
is wrong with you? What a fucking loser. What
41:09
an unlikable protagonist, genuinely. Holy shit.
41:14
I didn't like really any of the characters in
41:16
this, to be honest, because... Luke was kind
41:19
of hitting that there. I know you said Tramp
41:21
didn't get as bad as you thought he did, but
41:23
I thought he's just... Him and Lady were a bit
41:25
more bored in this. There's not really any arc
41:27
for them to go through. I mean, there's barely
41:30
any Lady in this anyway. Lady is just completely
41:34
absent from this whole story. Yeah. He's insulting.
41:38
Tramp 2. Tramp 2, yeah. Tramp 2, Tramp's awful
41:42
son. because I think it would have been interesting
41:46
to explore the dynamic between Lady and Scamp
41:49
because they're much more their personalities
41:52
are going to be inherently different but she
41:55
like loved Tramp I would have liked to see her
41:59
probably caring for him a lot more than maybe
42:02
Tramp does would have been interesting but they
42:05
have no do they even talk to each other lady
42:08
and scamp maybe like once or twice she rubs her
42:11
head on his head and then immediately Jim Deere's
42:14
like stolen the show and he's talking to scamp
42:16
and I'm like I want to see his mum give a shit
42:19
about him because I can't relate to this character.
42:22
And I'm only getting... The main character from
42:25
the first one. Yeah, I want to get the actual
42:27
main character from the first one and I want
42:29
to know what she's doing. But I don't learn anything
42:31
about her. It's rubbish. Yeah. Really bad. As
42:36
a little note, you mentioned his name was Jim
42:38
Dee there. I forgot to mention that before. I
42:40
love the fact that Lady thinks their name is
42:42
Jim Deere and darling. It's so sweet. Yeah. follows
42:47
it on but i like it i like in the first one that
42:50
you can't really see them much i think that's
42:51
a huge problem in the sequel you see them too
42:54
much I was literally just going to bring that
42:57
up because in the first one, it's from the dog's
43:00
perspective. You barely see the humans. Like
43:03
there's a couple of wide shots where you actually
43:06
see their face and stuff. And in this one, it
43:09
just throws all of that out the window. And it's
43:11
just like, here's some weird human characters.
43:13
And yeah, it's... Because it's not like... Like
43:17
the first one's very like... creatively driven
43:20
on that and then the second one just didn't have
43:22
a vision at all. No, not at all. I felt a weird
43:26
note because I've watched this on Blu -ray as
43:27
I usually do. Even the transfer was a bit lower
43:30
res than usual. It was like they didn't even
43:32
fuck it. They just slapped it out or whatever.
43:34
It looked a bit crap as well. Oh my god. It's
43:38
so sad to get because as a little bit of a palate
43:40
cleanser after I watched this, I just went straight
43:43
back and watched the chase scene from Lady and
43:45
the Tramp again. Hell yeah. And it's crazy. the
43:49
downgrading animation quality it's so it looks
43:53
ugly and then I think what I really don't like
43:56
is that it's a full musical and which is mad
44:00
because Lady and the Tramp is also a musical
44:02
but I don't want to hear Tramp singing I just
44:06
don't. Like, the first one's kind of a musical,
44:09
but then at the same time, like, there's not
44:10
that many songs in it. The biggest song is, like,
44:14
Bella Notre, which is sang, like, it's just a
44:16
character normally singing a song. Yeah. So I
44:18
don't really think of that as a musical. But
44:19
then this has, like, full, like, Les Miserables
44:22
-level, like, kind of musical numbers where,
44:23
like, each character's singing about their point
44:25
of their story. And, like, none of them stick
44:28
to Landon. Like, it's better than... Luke, we
44:31
usually have an issue where a lot of these will
44:33
just have, like... Disney Channel's latest pop
44:35
star single, The Cops. Oh, that's terrible. And
44:38
at least it put the effort into doing a musical,
44:40
but none of them stick the landing. Yeah. Not
44:43
a single one. No, I think the singers as well,
44:46
because it's not Scott Wolfe who plays Scamp
44:50
singing it. It's... Roger Bart. Yeah. He did
44:54
Hercules. The fucking voice actor for this dog,
44:56
his surname is Wolfe? Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. Alyssa
45:00
Milano's Angel. Who's that? she um is in charmed
45:06
and i think she must have been big in the 80s
45:09
because i'm pretty sure star -lord names his
45:11
second ship after her in guardians of the galaxy
45:14
oh damn i didn't i didn't know there was any
45:16
like i haven't looked at the cast Well, that's
45:19
pretty much it, to be fair. There's some Disney
45:23
regulars, like Jodie Benson, who was Ariel's
45:27
place lady in this, but that's pretty much it
45:31
as far as superstars go. And superstars are a
45:33
big stretch. You've got Jeff Bennett coming back
45:36
from Return to Neverland and Cinderella 2. He
45:41
does additional voices in Cinderella 2, but he
45:44
was Mr. Smee in... in Return to Neverland. Yeah,
45:49
he's good. And he's also in loads of animated
45:53
stuff. He's the singing voice for Zazu in The
45:56
Lion King. I did not know that. He's also additional
45:59
voices in Mask of the Phantasm. So there you
46:02
go. Badass. I can't believe Jodie Benson. They
46:06
got her to voice Lady and gave her two lines
46:09
the whole film. Yeah, it's fucking wild. She
46:14
must have just been walking down the corridor
46:15
on the Disney Animation Studio and pulled her
46:17
in. Did you just come in here for a second? Strangely
46:22
enough, the Siamese cats are actually credited
46:24
in this as well. Tress McNeil and Mary Kay Bergman.
46:28
And sadly enough, this is actually... posthumous
46:32
role for Mary Kate Bergman. This is one of her
46:34
final roles, which is really sad, considering
46:36
I don't even remember the cat even saying a line.
46:38
I don't think they said anything, did they? I
46:41
think all they... I found it weird that they
46:43
were credited. Yeah, all they did was go, I'm
46:47
pretty sure. That's it. They didn't say anything,
46:50
because I'm pretty sure they were scared of them
46:52
saying anything. This came out the same year
46:55
as Scooby -Doo and the Cyberchase, which she
46:57
was also in as Daphne. Oh, hell yeah. Oh, is
47:01
this the person who was in South Park? Yeah,
47:04
she did every female voice in South Park and
47:07
then after a pass and now it's three or four
47:09
actresses because no one could get on that. Oh,
47:12
no way. That's sad. Oh, she was Timmy Turner
47:15
in Fairly Odd Parents as well. Yeah. What an
47:19
absolute powerhouse of a voice actor. She's fantastic.
47:23
I noticed a lot of voices in this that I recognise.
47:28
Phil and Lil! Phil and Lil! Oh man. They sucked.
47:35
I hated the lady looking kids. I inherently like
47:38
those two voices but they don't fit these two.
47:42
No they do not. Neither does Patrick Star. Is
47:47
that the third one? Yeah. What? No, that's...
47:50
No, he's the sheepdog. Oh, yeah, yeah, of course.
47:54
That literally just sounds exactly like Patrick.
47:57
Yeah. Yeah. He headbutts through the wall. Now
48:01
that's using your head! I hated all of the Junkyard
48:05
Dogs. I hated them all. They all sucked. The
48:07
Junkyard Dogs suck. Yeah, I totally agree. I
48:11
think I hated every single character in this,
48:14
except for Lady and the Tramp, and that was just
48:17
purely riding on the will that the first film
48:21
gives us. Yeah. I will say that I understand
48:24
Tramp more now as a man. as a boy I thought my
48:29
hero has died and this husk, who is this guy
48:35
but I don't know he's a beta male now yeah I
48:41
was saying that at six, I was fuming but then
48:44
now I think now i think i think he's a bit more
48:48
reasonable he's still got his edge but he just
48:51
wants to be a more responsible character i think
48:53
you know yeah i think almost there's something
48:55
interesting about that but um i don't know This
48:59
film's fucking shit. It's not great, is it? I'm
49:02
not going to lie. I usually write about three
49:04
or four pages of notes in my notebook on this.
49:06
In this one, I didn't even finish a page because
49:07
I got about... Andy, I'm the exact same. Holy
49:11
shit. I got about to where Scamp joins the Junkyard
49:14
Dogs and I thought, like, I don't really have
49:15
anything else to say on this. It's such a boring
49:17
concept of, like, nothing's really going on.
49:21
It's so predictable as well. Yeah. What did you
49:24
think of the one Junkyard Dog who's a paedophile?
49:28
Huh? The one that's interested in puppies. Yeah,
49:31
the one who's like, I've got puppy fever. Also,
49:33
hang on. So, right. I've got a lot to say about
49:37
the junkyard dogs. So there's two other things
49:41
with that. So we're assuming that Scamp is a
49:44
puppy because he's still basically the same size.
49:47
So Angel has had five homes. Yes. And she's interested
49:53
in a puppy. So either... Like, this all happened
49:57
in really quick succession. Or the Doberman is
50:01
also a paedophile. So it's either Angel is a
50:04
paedophile because she's going after a puppy,
50:05
or the Doberman's a paedophile because he's going
50:11
after a young dog as well. I think I'd prefer
50:14
if Bruno was a paedophile. I'd prefer there to
50:17
be no paedophiles. Yeah, I'd prefer none. Out
50:19
of the two, I hope... Which dog's Bruno? Is it
50:25
Bruno? Who's Bruno? He's the main guy. Is it
50:28
Bruce? No, the... That's Buster. Buster. Shit,
50:33
sorry. Buster Rhymes. I thought you were talking
50:35
about the fucking Encanto guy. No, Buster. Buster
50:40
is like... His girl is Angel, but Angel is, I
50:45
assume, a puppy. But then she's been owned by
50:48
five people. But also it looks like she's a puppy
50:50
Akita, which is going to be a huge dog. Exactly.
50:54
According to Wikipedia, she's a Pomeranian slash
50:58
husky. How did a Pomeranian husky breed? It's
51:03
crazy. I have no idea. It's the will of the dogs.
51:07
Where there's a will, there's a way with dogs.
51:09
They're just being clever now. They're just trying
51:12
to be cute here because they're like, oh, we
51:13
don't have to specify the age of this character.
51:16
It's like, no, you need to address that this
51:19
character sounds and acts like a paedophile.
51:22
Yeah. It's not right. Wait, which one's the paedophile
51:27
again? All of them! There's three paedophiles!
51:29
Andy, there's three paedophiles, so there's Buster,
51:33
there's Angel, potentially, and Ruby, the Afghan
51:39
hound who has a soft spot for puppies. It's,
51:44
um... It's Buster or Angel, isn't it, though?
51:47
Like, one of the two. Yeah, so it doesn't matter
51:49
which way, one of them's a paedophile. Let's
51:52
say the villain is. Yeah, let's say the villain.
51:55
Yeah, let's do that. Not the one that gets adopted
51:59
into a home with another four puppies. Imagine
52:01
if Jim Deere, though, accidentally adopted a
52:06
paedophile. That would be so embarrassing. Also,
52:08
these people have got, like, this is now their
52:10
seventh dog. That's just too many. They were
52:14
struggling already with Scamp. Yeah. They were
52:17
really struggling with him, and now they're just
52:19
chucking another fucking stray into the mix.
52:22
Did they adopt Trusty and Jock as well? No, they're
52:25
the name. Because it seems like they did. Oh,
52:27
okay. But they are hanging out with them. It
52:28
seemed like they did. Yeah. They're hanging out
52:31
with them and not the owners of the dogs, which
52:33
is weird. Yeah. I liked it at the beginning of
52:36
this one, I think. Oh, no, it's the end of the
52:38
last one, actually, when they're like, oh, here
52:40
comes Jacques and Trusty, and they're just walking
52:41
down the drive by themselves. Yeah, they're like,
52:44
come on in, make yourselves at home. They've
52:47
come for Christmas. It's really sweet. It's really,
52:50
really sweet. Their owners should be. yeah they
52:54
should have they should have brought in their
52:55
owners into this one at least they talk well
52:58
about their owners in the last one they're like
53:00
oh you should come live with us because our owners
53:01
love us but like they clearly don't yeah they're
53:04
never there for you jesus so do you think that
53:07
um scott wolf was deserving of his award of best
53:11
animated character performance at the video premiere
53:13
award dvd exclusive awards absolutely fucking
53:17
not did he do the singing himself no oh then
53:21
no I thought the vocal performances of that,
53:24
a world without fences. I thought that one was
53:28
quite good. I did not. I do not agree. Not yet.
53:33
I don't think any of them. I don't think any
53:35
of them are put to bed to put together bad, like
53:37
performance wise. I just think the songs are
53:40
just fucking shit. Like, I don't know who wrote
53:42
the songs for this, but I will say like the soul
53:44
is nothing. There's like a world without fences
53:48
is. just as good as any song from the Wicked
53:52
soundtrack. Oh my god. Oh my goodness. It's exactly
53:56
the same to me. That's what all of Wicked sounds
53:59
like to me. It's this fucking dog singing about
54:03
wanting to not have fences anymore. Wow. That's
54:07
all of Wicked to me. Defying fences. so these
54:13
songs were written by melissa manchester who
54:16
is a prolific american singer songwriter like
54:20
she was it's not like a disney channel pop star
54:22
she was like 50 at the time she was doing this
54:24
and norman gimbal who was even older he was uh
54:28
like just under just over 70 at the time he was
54:31
doing this um and he's done like loads of work
54:35
as well um especially on like musicals and stuff
54:38
so i don't know why they turned out so terrible
54:41
i hated that the fucking moon was out in the
54:43
daytime all the time oh it pissed me off when
54:47
he said when he said wild dogs howl at the moon
54:50
It's the middle of the day, mate. They haven't
54:53
shown the moon before that as well. And they're
54:56
like, wow. But then the shot after. Yeah. It's
54:59
like, oh, God, that pissed me off. The shot after
55:02
has a giant Arkham Asylum -sized moon. It's ridiculous.
55:07
The moon is too big. I hated seeing it in the
55:09
daytime over and over again. It sucked. Set the
55:12
film at night. Frank Welker was a big freak again.
55:16
He was the angry dog. The big angry whatever
55:21
fucking dog that chases Scam. That dog's crazy.
55:24
I hate that he can't speak. Yeah, I found that
55:27
weird. I thought it was going to actually say
55:30
something in Frank Welker's voice when I saw
55:32
that it was him. And no, it just goes... I can't
55:38
believe that they had a saber -toothed bear in
55:40
this. Like, dog. That is a villain. And I hate
55:43
that they did a little fake -out that Scamp had
55:46
been killed by it. Oh, yeah. I didn't care. Like,
55:49
you're trying to do a trusty to me, but I don't
55:51
care about Scamp. I hope he dies. But, yeah,
55:53
crazy short as well. Hour and three minutes.
55:56
Yeah, it felt like a million years, though. It
56:00
felt so long. Is it shorter than the first one?
56:03
Yeah. Or is it longer? It's shorter. Without
56:06
credits, it's shorter. that's mad because the
56:10
first one was a breeze and this was like you
56:13
say it was like it felt like an hour 40 oh my
56:15
god it felt so long yeah so this this was an
56:19
hour hour and three minutes six minutes of credits
56:21
after yeah the first one's an hour 15 but yeah
56:24
the the difference in pacing like because this
56:28
one this one just doesn't have a story and like
56:30
and then the character's just such an ass like
56:33
i can't believe the bit where he betrays his
56:36
girl and ditches his dad i'm like yeah off how
56:40
does he portray he goes like he tells them she's
56:42
the one who wants to live with a family not me
56:44
and i'm like yeah so he casts her out he betrays
56:49
he gets rid of her but then it like it shows
56:52
him like i feel like they must have had a different
56:55
moment or like a different ending planned because
56:59
it seemed like you know when Tramp opens the
57:03
gate and then Scamp has stood there staring.
57:06
It seems like it's a moment where he's going
57:08
to run after his dad and it just feels like they
57:11
changed it really quickly. And they must have
57:14
done that a few times in this film because there's
57:17
definite parts where they've had to either cut
57:21
to something that was already happening. Like
57:24
there's loads of animation, not errors, but it's
57:28
like... where they just didn't animate something,
57:31
so they just cut to it kind of thing. It feels
57:34
like they've had to stitch the last part of it
57:37
together. That's my opinion. I could be completely
57:40
wrong. But yeah, otherwise it's just like kind
57:44
of lazy animation. And I would say some of the
57:47
worst animation that we've had in a Disney sequel
57:49
so far. Yeah, I mean, it's probably got the same
57:52
budget as most of the ones we've covered, but
57:55
there's not really any creativity or any energy
57:59
of it. No, absolutely not. They're just kind
58:04
of like churning it out and getting it done,
58:05
aren't they? Yeah, I hate how big Scamp's head
58:08
is. It's like they thought, oh, this will make
58:10
him cuter. And it just doesn't. Well, they must
58:13
have been banking on him being cute. Because
58:14
like you say, they bundled it with the toy of
58:17
him. And I can see you seeing the image of him.
58:20
And then being like, oh, he's quite cute. I want
58:22
to try that. But he fucking sucks. Yeah, he sucks.
58:25
Yeah, I threw the toy, like, not away, but I,
58:28
like, put him away into, like, a chest. I was
58:30
like, I don't want to ever look at that again.
58:33
Not only are you a house dog scamp, but you will
58:35
never leave this chest. You're never leaving
58:37
the chest! They'll serve you right for letting
58:42
down your girl. You horrible dog. Well, she's
58:47
not his girl, Luke. She's no one's girl. She's
58:50
no one's girl. As they say maybe 54 times in
58:54
this. She's Jim Deere's girl now. Fucking...
58:58
Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. I hate you.
59:05
I hate that Tramp has become like... I hate that
59:09
this whole film feels like it doesn't have an
59:11
identity that's related to Lady and the Tramp.
59:13
It feels like it's just trying to do other Disney
59:15
things and failing. It tries to do this epic
59:18
musical thing that doesn't feel thematically
59:22
right for the original. It tries to make Tramp
59:26
fucking Mufasa and that's boring. Everything
59:29
they do just sucks. I do have something else
59:33
to say, because you just brought it up quite
59:34
nicely there. The identity of the first film
59:37
is the romance, 100%. And the romance in this
59:42
one is such an afterthought, where it's like,
59:44
I don't know what is the drive? What are we meant
59:49
to care about? Because I guess we're meant to
59:52
care that Scamp wants to be an outdoors dog.
59:56
Why? The romance is really boring. There's not
1:00:01
really any reason why he'd fall for Angel or
1:00:03
vice versa because they have no chemistry. Yeah.
1:00:07
And they're babies. And they're also children.
1:00:12
Like the Lady and the Tramp bit. Or he's a victim.
1:00:16
Yeah. I don't like seeing them eat spaghetti
1:00:19
together because they're basically just two little
1:00:22
babies. That's... So fucking unearned. How dare
1:00:27
you stand where he stood. I don't like it. But
1:00:31
yeah, unearned. It kind of doesn't make sense
1:00:32
as well, because Scamp used to always go there,
1:00:35
but they just turn up. It's such shit fan service.
1:00:40
Yeah, 100%. Wouldn't the Italian men be like,
1:00:45
hey, wait a minute, you'll have an owner. The
1:00:48
owner's missing you. And tell them. Surely they
1:00:54
know now. I bet they may. Maybe. Get back in
1:00:57
your chest. Get it back in the chest. What are
1:01:01
you doing out? Fuck this dog. Yeah. Fuck this
1:01:07
film, to be honest. On to our next section. Let's
1:01:13
rank it. Let's see where this sits with the other
1:01:16
Disney sequels that we've done. So Luke, you're
1:01:20
new here. What we do is we put it into our little
1:01:23
machine. What's the machine like? It's a big
1:01:26
machine like you'd find in Willy Wonka that makes
1:01:29
you ever laugh in Godstoppers. It's like loads
1:01:30
of steam poking out and it's like... Yeah, there's
1:01:33
a lot of valves that you have to turn and a steam
1:01:37
whistle. It's actually like when we got it. It
1:01:40
said on the instructions that it should only
1:01:42
be operated by five men at a time, but we've
1:01:44
managed so far. Yeah. It's like, you know the
1:01:47
video of the guy playing that giant piano that
1:01:52
he pulls loads of stuff on? It's basically that.
1:01:55
Right. And we put all of our thoughts in, and
1:02:01
it tells us whether it's a bargain bin. These
1:02:06
are the rankings. Okay, please. It's also really
1:02:09
bad for the environment and it uses a load of
1:02:11
AI as well. Yeah, it's like... It's a Bitcoin
1:02:15
miner as well. We'll just leave it on. Hit me
1:02:21
with these categories. So, right at the bottom,
1:02:26
we've got bargain bin. This is where, you know,
1:02:28
it comes out, it goes straight in the bargain
1:02:31
bin. No one wants to see it. You won't even pick
1:02:33
this up on a rainy day kind of thing. Then we've
1:02:38
got straight to video. It goes on the shelves
1:02:41
for a little bit. It's all right. It might not
1:02:43
be the best, but, you know, on a rainy day, you
1:02:47
might pick it up. Then we go up to Diamond Edition.
1:02:51
Ooh, mama. Ooh, this has come out. It's got,
1:02:54
ooh, maybe a little slipcover or something like
1:02:59
that. It's a little bit of a fancier DVD we've
1:03:01
got here. And then, right at the top, we've got
1:03:04
Disney Classics. Mamma mia. Maybe it's a steelbook.
1:03:08
Maybe it's got some extra features. It's got
1:03:10
three discs in it. What is going on? And that's
1:03:14
the top. That's the tippy top. Almost like meeting
1:03:19
the original, or even better, exceeding it. Creme
1:03:22
de la creme, some would say. So, boys, where
1:03:26
are you putting it? I know where I'm putting
1:03:28
it. Bargain bin. Bargain bin. This sucked. It
1:03:36
has no soul. It's got nothing going for it. It's
1:03:41
got absolutely nothing going for it. It doesn't
1:03:45
live up to the original. It shits on the original.
1:03:49
And Scamp is the worst protagonist we've had
1:03:53
so far. I hate him. I actually think this is
1:03:55
the worst one we've done. I think I agree. What
1:03:58
a pleasure for me to be here for it. It's really
1:04:03
annoying because it's not even interestingly
1:04:05
bad. Like Cinderella 2? Yeah, there's nothing
1:04:10
like that. It feels like... there was no solid
1:04:13
idea for it but everyone just kind of came in
1:04:15
give it a solid try of making something out of
1:04:18
it and there's not really much to say on it it's
1:04:21
just really boring and soulless and lifeless
1:04:23
and it's probably like exactly what you'd expect
1:04:26
from these yeah yeah i hate it yeah yeah it's
1:04:29
it sucks it ruined my it it muted my girl it
1:04:34
it it ruined my man It put your girl in the chest.
1:04:42
And also, I really liked Scamp at the end of
1:04:46
the first Lady and the Tramp. I think that gag
1:04:48
where he's pulling at the jumper, I think that's
1:04:52
all you ever had to see of this character to
1:04:55
understand everything you ever want to know about
1:04:56
him. So I don't need to hear him singing about
1:05:00
how he wants to sit in garbage all day. I just
1:05:03
don't care. Just fuck off and leave my girl and
1:05:08
my man alone. Do we want any Letterboxd reviews?
1:05:11
Because I can't be bothered. Go on, James. Come
1:05:14
on, do your goddamn job. Come on. Do what we
1:05:17
made you for. So this has a weighted average
1:05:22
of 2 .75 on Letterboxd. So it's above average,
1:05:30
which is... It also has 44 fans. So 44 people
1:05:38
on Letterboxd think this is one of their favourite
1:05:41
films. Damn. That's insane. So this is One and
1:05:44
a Half Stars by Jessica Wessica. Used to watch
1:05:49
this at my grandma's house when I was little.
1:05:51
Not only was it not as good as I remember, it
1:05:54
was, in fact, not good at all. five stars from
1:05:59
punk ass nerd who said okay like this was my
1:06:03
favourite movie growing up because I don't care
1:06:06
what anyone says wow what a hard man I know it's
1:06:15
a proper junkyard dog yeah that's a fucking junkyard
1:06:18
dog right there that is a junkyard dog This is
1:06:25
one and a half stars from Hal, and it says, well,
1:06:28
at least it gave us this image. It has a hyperlink.
1:06:31
If you click on it, nothing happens. Right. Amazing.
1:06:35
What a great analogy for this film. Honestly,
1:06:39
for real. Hey, comment on it now, and be like,
1:06:42
what does this mean? Can you please post it?
1:06:45
We're doing a podcast. What are you talking about?
1:06:48
Two and a half stars. Lady and the Tramp fucked
1:06:51
Raw Dog for this movie to happen. Oh my god.
1:06:55
That's Eddie of the JPEG. When did they shag?
1:06:58
I mean, I think they did on the hill, but when
1:07:01
did they have these babies? When did they...
1:07:05
What was the turnaround? Pretty soon. I think...
1:07:08
It was 63 days before the end of the last film.
1:07:14
Because her gestation period was quicker than
1:07:17
trusty's leg healing. I found that mad. that's
1:07:23
like a 60 maybe like a 70 day break that's crazy
1:07:28
I mean yeah to be fair like it was meant to have
1:07:31
killed him so yeah maybe he broke every other
1:07:33
bone in his body that was the only one that hadn't
1:07:36
healed yet oh god yeah yeah one star from Sonic
1:07:45
Tiger god good god I am sick of these Disney
1:07:49
sequels I feel you, brother. Cool. So there we
1:07:56
go. James, I think you've missed one of the Letterboxd
1:08:00
reviews. Have I? Yeah, because there's a review
1:08:05
from Joe Terone, who does the theme music for
1:08:08
not only our podcast, but Luke's as well. Hang
1:08:11
on. Is this where it starts? This is where it's
1:08:16
revealed that I don't actually follow Joe Turone.
1:08:19
You don't follow Joe Turone? He gave it three
1:08:22
stars and a like and he said, this soundtrack
1:08:24
needs to be on Spotify. Fuck off. No. Damn. That's
1:08:32
crazy. Can we retire our theme music, please?
1:08:39
Oh, that's crazy. Oh, dear. Bless him. Fair play.
1:08:45
Yeah, bless him. Anyway, there we go. That was
1:08:50
a film, wasn't it? Yeah. Sure was. Yeah. Not
1:08:54
good. Aw, Luke, thanks for joining us. Yeah,
1:08:58
thank you so much for having me. I'm sorry it
1:09:01
was in a film that made you all feel so sad.
1:09:04
I don't think this episode would have been releasable
1:09:08
if you weren't a guest, to be honest. Yeah. I
1:09:13
think we would have just been too sad. It can't
1:09:19
be the worst one, can it? I've heard about Pocahontas
1:09:21
2. That makes me feel ill. I hope it's the worst
1:09:25
one because I can't do this again. That was just
1:09:28
so soulless and nothing. I don't know how we
1:09:31
can talk about another one of these. Come on,
1:09:36
get it together. It's going to be okay. No, I'd
1:09:39
rather, I'd generally rather it was like really
1:09:42
bad. Like, it was just kind of like, it gave
1:09:46
me nothing. It just, it was like nothing. If
1:09:49
I didn't watch it five minutes ago, I would have
1:09:52
forgotten it. Yeah, genuinely. If I had watched
1:09:55
this last night, I think by, I've forgotten most
1:09:59
of it already. It's just, there's nothing to
1:10:02
it. It's just. It's nothing. It sucks. I can't
1:10:06
believe I think I like it more than you two.
1:10:10
I think you do, yeah. I came on thinking this
1:10:13
was my least favourite film of all time and I
1:10:15
like it more than you two. I just love the song
1:10:18
about no more fences. No more fences. It sucks.
1:10:23
A world without fences. Or something, I don't
1:10:26
know. Maybe you and Joe can get it on Spotify.
1:10:29
Yeah. Oh, God. What do you do now? Well, we finish
1:10:39
and we go home and we leave the machine running.
1:10:41
We get some Bitcoin out of that. Yeah, we're
1:10:44
done. That was it for Lady and the Tramp 2. Andy,
1:10:49
where can the people find you? You can find me
1:10:51
on Instagram at Oatmansmovies. That's O -A -T
1:10:55
-M -U -N -S movies. And you can also find me
1:10:58
on Letterboxd at Odiebord, which is O -A -T -E
1:11:00
-Y -B -O -A -T. Lovely. Luke, where can people
1:11:03
find you? I don't want people to find me. Leave
1:11:05
me alone. In the junkyard with all the other
1:11:09
dogs. Yeah, find me a dad at the... find me in
1:11:14
a bin nah if you wanna yeah I have a podcast
1:11:21
it's the Sandler Pit you can find that on all
1:11:23
your podcast apps it's much better than this
1:11:27
one and you can yeah and we also have other podcasts
1:11:31
on that same feed we've got Real Boys where we've
1:11:35
watched Pinocchio films. We did all the SNL films.
1:11:37
We've done different legacy sequels. And after
1:11:40
Christmas, we're going to be releasing a series
1:11:43
on all of Jim Carrey's films. So yeah, if you
1:11:47
want to follow any of those, they're on all the
1:11:50
social medias. Just look for The Sandler Pit.
1:11:52
Highly recommend. They are very, very enjoyable
1:11:56
to listen to. I agree. I don't even like the
1:11:59
movies. I don't even watch the movies. I just
1:12:01
like the podcast. Hell yeah. listen to it while
1:12:04
i was running when i still ran you two are so
1:12:08
nice i just said it was better than yours you'd
1:12:10
be nice i agree yeah oh god probably is fucking
1:12:15
hell come on fight back if you came at us after
1:12:21
um cinderella 3 i probably would have been hyped
1:12:24
up enough you can fucking return to neverland
1:12:27
Oh, yeah. And then you can find me in a chest
1:12:32
in Luke's house where he keeps me at night. And
1:12:36
also on Instagram at jimmysmerds, J -I -M -M
1:12:42
-Y -S -M -E -R -D -S. And I'm on Letterboxd as
1:12:47
well. And my username is natrumph, N -A -H space
1:12:52
R -U -M -P -H. Big thank you to Mr. Joe Turone
1:12:57
for our music. We love it, even though you like
1:13:00
the music of Scamp's Revenge or whatever this
1:13:04
fucking film is called. Scamp's Revenge. And
1:13:08
a huge thank you to Jordan G, our producer and
1:13:12
the person that did the artwork and helped come
1:13:17
up with the idea with Andy as well. We'll see.
1:13:21
What's he doing producing -wise? Right now? Nothing.
1:13:24
Yeah, what's he doing for you as a producer?
1:13:26
Shh. I heard that. I was like, fuck, is he editing
1:13:31
this or something? That's crazy. No, we granted
1:13:35
him the title of producer because he basically
1:13:37
developed it with us. I was going to say, well,
1:13:40
with us, with you. I was hearing all these thank
1:13:46
yous and then I was like, where the fuck is mine?
1:13:49
Thank you to Luke Thomas for joining our podcast
1:13:51
and making this episode releasable. And keeping
1:13:54
me in a chest, which I'm going to go back to
1:13:57
now. I'm joking. Thank you. Thank you, Luke Terry,
1:14:01
for letting Luke Thomas out of your chest. He
1:14:06
let me come out to play. One night only. We're
1:14:10
going to send him back. He's ringing the bell
1:14:12
now. I'm crawling back to him later. Oh, God.
1:14:18
Now you've seen life on the other side. You're
1:14:20
like, oh, I didn't realise how good we had it.
1:14:23
They don't even have their cameras on. They don't
1:14:29
even look at each other. They're animals. Oh,
1:14:33
God. Anyway, Andy, Luke, I'll see you after Ever
1:14:38
After. Yeah, see you after Ever After. Yeah,
1:14:41
see you after Ever After. Take care. Bye. Love
1:14:45
you, bye.