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How Building a Legacy Through Literature: A Commitment to Inspiring Young Readers · Adventures in the Heart of Children's Book Authors Podcast

2:30
My
2:30
name
2:31
is
2:31
Joan
2:31
Epp
2:32
and
2:32
my
2:32
children's
2:33
book
2:33
is
2:33
called
2:34
Ice
2:34
Cap.
2:35
Welcome,
2:36
Joan.
2:36
Thanks
2:37
for
2:37
joining
2:37
us
2:37
and
2:38
being
2:38
a
2:38
guest
2:38
on
2:39
Adventures
2:39
in
2:40
the
2:40
Heart
2:40
of
2:40
Children's
2:41
Book
2:41
Authors
2:41
Podcast.
2:43
I'd
2:43
love
2:43
to
2:43
start
2:44
jumping
2:44
right
2:44
in
2:45
and
2:45
talking
2:46
to
2:46
you
2:46
about
2:47
your
2:47
inspiration
2:48
behind
2:48
the
2:49
book
2:49
and
2:49
your
2:50
origin
2:50
story.
2:51
I've
2:51
been
2:51
an
2:52
elementary
2:52
teacher
2:53
for
2:53
years
2:54
and
2:54
years.
2:54
I
2:55
recently
2:55
retired
2:56
and
2:56
became
2:57
a
2:57
grandmother.
2:58
Reading
2:58
and
2:59
writing
2:59
with
2:59
children
3:00
is
3:00
for
3:00
me,
3:01
second
3:01
nature,
3:02
but
3:03
a
3:03
true
3:04
joy
3:04
with
3:05
my
3:05
grandchildren.
3:06
About
3:07
a
3:07
year
3:07
and
3:07
a
3:07
half
3:07
to
3:08
two
3:08
years
3:08
ago,
3:08
I
3:09
was
3:09
reading
3:09
Frosty
3:10
the
3:10
Snowman
3:10
on
3:11
the
3:11
couch
3:11
with
3:11
my
3:12
little
3:12
granddaughter.
3:13
I
3:13
was
3:13
babysitting
3:14
her.
3:15
It
3:15
was
3:15
snowing
3:16
out,
3:16
it
3:16
was
3:16
really
3:17
fun.
3:17
And
3:18
I
3:18
asked
3:18
her,
3:18
how
3:18
did
3:18
you
3:19
like
3:19
that
3:19
book,
3:19
Audrey?
3:20
Was
3:20
that
3:20
a
3:21
good
3:21
one?
3:21
She
3:22
said,
3:22
I
3:23
love
3:23
Frosty
3:23
the
3:24
Snowman,
3:24
but
3:24
I
3:24
grew
3:25
up
3:25
with
3:25
him.
3:26
So
3:26
I
3:27
said,
3:27
hey,
3:27
how
3:28
about
3:28
we
3:28
write
3:29
our
3:29
own
3:29
snowman
3:30
story?
3:31
And
3:31
she
3:32
loves
3:32
to
3:33
read
3:33
and
3:34
write
3:34
and
3:34
I,
3:35
I
3:35
write
3:35
with
3:35
her
3:35
often.
3:36
So
3:37
this
3:37
is
3:37
nothing
3:37
unusual
3:38
for
3:38
us.
3:38
She
3:38
was
3:39
about
3:39
three
3:39
and
3:39
a
3:39
half
3:40
at
3:40
the
3:40
time.
3:41
So
3:41
we
3:41
came
3:41
up
3:42
with
3:42
this
3:42
character.
3:43
Uh,
3:44
he
3:44
had
3:44
to
3:44
be
3:44
a
3:44
snowman,
3:45
of
3:45
course,
3:46
he
3:46
had
3:46
to
3:46
be
3:47
magical.
3:48
And
3:48
we,
3:49
it
3:49
had
3:49
to
3:49
be
3:49
Canadian
3:50
because
3:50
we
3:50
are
3:51
Canadian.
3:52
And
3:53
we
3:53
just
3:54
came
3:54
up
3:54
with
3:54
this
3:55
grand
3:55
story
3:56
about
3:57
Icecap.
3:58
Her
3:58
grand
3:58
story
3:59
was
3:59
four
4:00
pages
4:00
long.
4:01
She's
4:01
left
4:02
handed.
4:02
So
4:02
it
4:02
was
4:03
written
4:03
right
4:03
to
4:04
left
4:04
on
4:05
paper.
4:06
And
4:06
it
4:06
was
4:07
very
4:07
cute.
4:07
Lots
4:07
of
4:08
scribbles,
4:08
lots
4:08
of
4:08
letters,
4:09
and
4:09
her
4:10
little
4:10
tiny
4:10
illustrations.
4:12
And
4:12
I
4:12
took
4:12
that
4:13
book
4:13
and
4:13
I
4:13
thought,
4:14
wow,
4:14
I
4:15
have
4:15
always
4:15
wanted
4:16
to
4:16
write
4:16
a
4:16
children's
4:17
book.
4:17
I've
4:17
written
4:18
so
4:18
many
4:18
stories.
4:19
I'm
4:19
going
4:19
to
4:20
do
4:20
this.
4:20
I'm
4:20
going
4:20
to
4:20
do
4:20
this
4:21
for
4:21
her.
4:22
So
4:22
I
4:23
looked
4:23
into
4:23
the
4:23
publishing
4:24
world
4:24
a
4:24
little
4:25
bit
4:25
and
4:25
discovered
4:26
that
4:26
it
4:26
was
4:26
a
4:27
very
4:27
long,
4:27
dedicated
4:28
process.
4:29
And
4:29
I
4:29
wanted
4:29
to
4:30
do
4:30
it
4:30
now
4:31
while
4:32
she's
4:32
young,
4:33
while
4:33
she's
4:34
going
4:35
to
4:35
appreciate
4:36
it
4:36
and
4:36
be
4:36
wowed
4:36
by
4:36
it.
4:37
I
4:37
wanted
4:37
to
4:37
ask
4:38
you,
4:38
I,
4:38
first
4:39
of
4:39
all,
4:39
what
4:40
I
4:40
loved
4:40
about
4:41
your
4:41
book
4:42
before
4:42
we
4:42
could
4:42
jump
4:43
into
4:43
the
4:43
publishing
4:44
of
4:44
your
4:44
publishing
4:45
approach.
4:46
I
4:46
loved
4:46
how
4:46
you
4:47
incorporated
4:49
today's
4:49
technology
4:50
into
4:50
your
4:51
story.
4:51
So
4:52
I
4:52
was
4:52
thinking,
4:53
I've
4:53
got
4:53
to
4:54
talk
4:54
to
4:54
Joan.
4:54
What
4:55
was
4:55
the
4:55
inspiration?
4:56
Because
4:57
you
4:57
know
4:57
what,
4:57
Because
4:58
I
4:58
co
4:58
authored
4:59
a
4:59
children's
4:59
book
5:00
with
5:00
my
5:00
oldest
5:01
granddaughter.
5:02
I
5:02
could
5:03
see
5:03
the
5:03
generational
5:04
gap.
5:05
And
5:06
of
5:06
course,
5:07
today
5:07
it's
5:08
a
5:08
little
5:08
audio
5:09
here,
5:09
it's
5:10
a
5:10
little
5:10
text
5:10
there,
5:11
it's
5:11
a
5:11
little
5:11
video
5:12
everywhere
5:12
kind
5:12
of
5:13
thing.
5:13
And
5:14
so
5:14
I
5:14
thought,
5:15
oh,
5:15
Joan,
5:16
you've
5:16
got
5:16
to
5:16
tell
5:17
us
5:17
a
5:17
little
5:17
bit
5:18
more
5:18
about
5:18
that.
5:19
Part
5:19
of
5:20
the
5:20
story
5:20
before
5:21
we
5:21
jump
5:21
into
5:21
the
5:22
publishing
5:22
side
5:23
of
5:23
it,
5:23
if
5:23
you
5:23
don't
5:24
mind.
5:24
Oh,
5:24
not
5:25
at
5:25
all.
5:25
You
5:25
know,
5:26
we
5:26
all
5:26
have
5:27
phones.
5:28
We're
5:28
always
5:28
taking
5:29
pictures
5:29
and
5:30
videos
5:30
of
5:30
the
5:31
kids.
5:31
And
5:32
when
5:32
we
5:32
were
5:32
building
5:33
our
5:33
character,
5:33
I
5:33
said.
5:34
He
5:34
said,
5:34
snowman
5:35
for
5:35
us.
5:35
So
5:36
what
5:36
should
5:36
he
5:36
have?
5:37
They.
5:37
She
5:38
loves
5:38
her
5:38
iPad,
5:39
and
5:39
they
5:39
don't
5:39
get
5:39
a
5:39
lot
5:40
of
5:40
technology
5:41
because
5:41
they're
5:41
very
5:42
limited,
5:42
but
5:43
he
5:43
had
5:43
to
5:43
have
5:44
a
5:44
phone.
5:45
And
5:45
so
5:46
when
5:46
I
5:46
was
5:46
writing
5:46
that
5:47
story,
5:48
we
5:48
talked
5:48
about
5:49
that.
5:49
Should
5:50
he
5:50
really
5:50
be
5:50
texting
5:51
kids
5:51
without
5:52
their
5:52
parents
5:52
permission?
5:54
She
5:54
was
5:54
a
5:54
little
5:54
young
5:55
to
5:56
understand
5:56
that
5:56
kind
5:57
of
5:57
concept
5:57
yet,
5:57
but
5:58
it
5:58
made
5:59
me
5:59
think
5:59
a
5:59
lot.
6:00
And
6:01
we
6:01
decided
6:02
that,
6:02
yes,
6:02
he
6:02
would
6:02
have
6:03
his
6:03
phone,
6:03
but
6:03
mostly
6:04
he
6:04
would
6:04
be
6:05
playing.
6:05
Okay.
6:06
And
6:06
that's
6:06
the
6:07
important
6:07
part,
6:07
is
6:08
technology
6:09
is
6:09
a
6:09
wonderful
6:10
way
6:10
to
6:10
connect,
6:10
as
6:11
we're
6:11
doing
6:11
right
6:12
now.
6:12
Yes.
6:13
It
6:13
is
6:13
a
6:13
tool.
6:14
Correct.
6:15
It
6:15
is
6:16
not
6:16
the
6:17
be
6:17
all
6:17
and
6:17
end
6:18
all
6:18
of
6:19
life.
6:19
Absolutely.
6:20
And
6:20
what's
6:20
interesting,
6:21
because
6:21
that's
6:22
exactly
6:22
how
6:23
my
6:23
granddaughter
6:24
and
6:25
I
6:25
started
6:25
this
6:26
whole
6:26
thing,
6:27
was
6:27
that
6:28
we
6:28
had
6:28
done
6:29
hundreds
6:30
of
6:30
adventures
6:31
with
6:31
her
6:31
plushies
6:32
in
6:33
the
6:33
Rocky
6:33
Mountains,
6:34
and
6:35
we
6:35
had
6:35
taken
6:36
a
6:36
lot
6:36
of
6:37
pictures,
6:38
and
6:39
all
6:39
these
6:39
pictures
6:40
were
6:40
sitting
6:40
on
6:40
my
6:41
iPhone
6:42
and
6:42
never
6:43
were
6:43
to
6:43
come
6:43
to
6:44
life.
6:44
And
6:44
she
6:44
said
6:45
to
6:45
me,
6:45
papa,
6:46
we
6:46
need
6:46
to
6:47
do
6:47
something
6:47
with
6:47
these
6:48
pictures.
6:48
Can
6:49
we
6:49
write
6:49
some
6:50
stories
6:50
about
6:51
our
6:51
adventures?
6:52
And
6:52
that's
6:52
how
6:52
it
6:52
all
6:52
started.
6:53
And
6:53
actually,
6:54
at
6:54
the
6:54
back
6:54
of
6:55
our
6:55
children's
6:56
book,
6:56
we
6:57
have
6:57
an
6:57
area
6:58
where
6:58
we
6:58
encourage
6:59
children
6:59
at
6:59
the
6:59
end
7:00
of
7:00
this
7:00
story
7:00
to.
7:01
To
7:01
write
7:01
their
7:01
own
7:01
stories.
7:02
And
7:02
then
7:02
we
7:03
created
7:03
railway
7:04
tracks
7:05
in
7:05
the
7:05
form
7:05
of
7:05
a
7:06
picture
7:06
frame
7:07
so
7:07
they
7:07
could
7:07
draw
7:08
their
7:08
stories
7:09
inside
7:09
the
7:09
picture
7:10
frames.
7:10
How
7:10
you're
7:11
describing
7:11
this
7:12
is
7:12
very
7:12
close
7:12
to
7:13
my
7:13
heart
7:13
because
7:14
it's
7:14
almost
7:14
an
7:14
identical
7:15
process
7:16
of
7:16
how
7:16
we
7:17
started
7:17
as
7:17
grandparents
7:18
with
7:18
our
7:18
grandchildren.
7:19
So
7:20
thank
7:20
you
7:20
for
7:20
sharing
7:21
that.
7:21
Yes.
7:22
And
7:22
in
7:22
the
7:23
back
7:23
of
7:23
my
7:23
book,
7:24
when
7:24
I
7:24
was
7:25
teaching,
7:25
in
7:26
my
7:26
early
7:26
days
7:26
of
7:26
teaching,
7:27
there
7:28
was
7:28
a
7:28
story
7:28
in
7:29
one
7:29
of
7:29
the
7:29
readers
7:30
that
7:30
we
7:30
had
7:31
called
7:31
Rodeo
7:32
Pup,
7:32
and
7:32
the
7:32
author
7:33
left
7:33
his
7:34
email
7:35
address
7:35
for
7:35
kids
7:36
to
7:36
write
7:36
stories
7:37
to.
7:37
So
7:37
I've
7:38
always
7:38
remembered
7:38
that.
7:39
And
7:39
I
7:39
thought,
7:39
when
7:39
I
7:40
write
7:40
a
7:40
book,
7:40
that's
7:40
what
7:41
I'm
7:41
doing.
7:41
And
7:42
I
7:42
did
7:42
that.
7:42
And
7:43
good
7:43
for
7:43
you.
7:43
Good
7:44
for
7:44
you.
7:44
That's
7:44
accurate.
7:45
Yours
7:45
is
7:45
similar.
7:46
Yeah,
7:46
I.
7:46
We
7:47
don't
7:47
take
7:47
ours
7:47
as
7:48
far
7:48
as
7:48
you
7:48
have,
7:49
but
7:49
we
7:49
actually,
7:50
on
7:50
our
7:50
website,
7:51
you
7:51
can
7:51
go.
7:52
If
7:52
you
7:53
submit
7:53
your
7:54
email
7:54
address,
7:54
it
7:55
automatically
7:56
sends
7:56
you
7:57
more
7:57
of
7:57
these,
7:58
I
7:58
call
7:58
them
7:58
activity
7:59
sheets,
8:00
so
8:00
that
8:00
you.
8:00
If
8:01
you
8:01
don't
8:01
want
8:01
to
8:01
do
8:02
it
8:02
in
8:02
your
8:02
book,
8:03
you
8:03
can
8:03
actually
8:03
Print
8:04
them
8:04
off
8:04
at
8:04
home
8:05
and
8:05
do
8:05
it
8:05
from
8:06
home.
8:06
So,
8:06
yeah,
8:07
it's
8:07
definitely.
8:08
It's
8:09
nice
8:09
and
8:10
I
8:11
really
8:11
appreciate
8:11
you
8:12
sharing
8:12
that.
8:13
So
8:13
let's
8:14
jump
8:14
into
8:15
your
8:15
publishing
8:16
approach.
8:17
And
8:17
each
8:17
of
8:17
us
8:18
comes
8:18
at
8:18
it
8:18
in
8:18
a
8:19
unique
8:19
way
8:19
because
8:20
we're
8:20
self
8:20
published.
8:21
And
8:22
I
8:22
find
8:22
there's
8:23
various
8:23
ways
8:24
of
8:24
going
8:24
about
8:25
self
8:25
published.
8:26
A
8:26
lot
8:27
of
8:27
people
8:27
will
8:27
go
8:28
hybrid,
8:29
which
8:29
is
8:30
a
8:30
combination
8:30
of
8:31
traditional
8:31
and
8:32
self
8:32
published.
8:33
And
8:34
then
8:34
there's
8:34
traditional,
8:35
of
8:35
course,
8:35
where
8:35
you
8:36
try
8:36
and
8:36
get
8:36
yourself
8:37
a
8:38
literary
8:38
agent
8:39
and
8:39
then
8:39
find
8:40
a
8:40
publisher.
8:41
And
8:41
I
8:42
also
8:42
find
8:43
that
8:43
some
8:43
people
8:43
do
8:44
it
8:44
a
8:44
la
8:44
carte,
8:45
which
8:46
means
8:46
they
8:46
have
8:47
some
8:47
skills
8:48
in
8:48
putting
8:49
a
8:49
book
8:49
together.
8:50
They
8:50
just
8:50
don't
8:51
have
8:51
all
8:51
the
8:51
skills.
8:51
They
8:52
hire
8:52
out
8:52
part
8:53
of
8:53
the
8:53
work.
8:53
Tell
8:53
us
8:54
about
8:54
your
8:55
publishing
8:55
journey
8:56
to
8:56
get
8:56
your
8:56
book
8:57
published.
8:57
My
8:58
book
8:58
was
8:58
actually
8:59
almost
8:59
perfect
9:00
when
9:00
I
9:01
had
9:01
it
9:01
in
9:02
hand.
9:02
And
9:03
from
9:03
what
9:04
I
9:04
know,
9:04
it
9:04
pretty
9:05
much
9:05
has
9:05
to
9:05
be
9:05
ready
9:06
before
9:07
you
9:07
get
9:08
started
9:08
with
9:08
anything.
9:09
So
9:10
what
9:10
I
9:10
did
9:10
was
9:10
I
9:10
called
9:11
many
9:11
self
9:12
publishers
9:13
all
9:13
over
9:13
the
9:13
place,
9:14
all
9:14
over
9:14
the
9:14
United
9:15
States,
9:15
all
9:15
over
9:15
Canada.
9:16
I
9:17
joined
9:17
a
9:17
writing
9:17
group,
9:18
Brooke
9:18
Gansmer's
9:19
Journey
9:20
to
9:20
Kidlit
9:21
and
9:21
her
9:22
Biblio
9:22
Kids
9:23
Publishing
9:24
was
9:24
the
9:25
publisher,
9:25
hybrid
9:26
publisher.
9:27
I
9:27
chose
9:27
because
9:28
I
9:28
got
9:28
to
9:28
talk
9:29
to
9:29
her,
9:29
I
9:30
had
9:30
video
9:30
meetings
9:31
with
9:31
her,
9:32
and
9:32
she
9:32
actually
9:33
really
9:33
knew
9:33
what
9:33
she
9:34
was
9:34
talking
9:34
about.
9:35
Whereas
9:36
when
9:36
I
9:36
called
9:37
many
9:37
other
9:37
self
9:38
publishing
9:38
houses,
9:39
I
9:39
was
9:39
getting
9:39
a
9:40
marketing
9:40
student
9:41
and
9:42
it
9:42
just
9:42
hit
9:43
me
9:43
the
9:43
wrong
9:43
way.
9:44
I
9:44
needed
9:45
to
9:45
connect
9:45
with
9:45
somebody
9:46
who
9:47
really
9:47
understood
9:48
what
9:49
I
9:49
wanted.
9:49
Brooke
9:50
Gansmer
9:50
is
9:50
actually
9:51
a
9:51
children's
9:52
author,
9:52
so
9:53
I
9:53
really
9:53
connected
9:54
with
9:54
her.
9:55
I
9:55
wanted
9:55
to
9:56
have
9:56
a
9:56
Canadian
9:57
publisher.
9:58
It
9:58
didn't
9:58
work
9:58
out
9:59
this
9:59
time.
10:00
Next
10:00
time
10:01
I
10:01
really
10:01
hope
10:01
it
10:01
does.
10:02
Okay.
10:03
Fantastic.
10:04
You
10:04
have
10:05
pretty
10:05
well
10:06
contracted
10:07
all
10:07
the
10:07
elements
10:08
of
10:08
the
10:09
self
10:09
publishing
10:10
side
10:10
of
10:10
it.
10:10
So
10:11
you
10:11
wrote
10:12
the
10:12
story
10:12
and
10:13
then
10:13
they
10:14
help
10:14
you
10:14
find
10:14
an
10:15
illustrator.
10:15
Or
10:15
did
10:16
you
10:16
have
10:16
an
10:16
illustrator?
10:17
No,
10:17
they
10:18
gave
10:18
me
10:18
a
10:19
choice
10:19
of
10:19
several
10:20
illustrators.
10:21
I
10:21
chose
10:22
Claire
10:22
Sidolovic
10:23
because
10:23
she
10:24
was
10:24
the
10:25
closest
10:25
to
10:25
my
10:26
vision
10:27
and
10:27
she's
10:28
a
10:28
watercolorist.
10:29
And
10:29
so
10:29
she
10:30
a
10:30
lot
10:30
like
10:30
Michael
10:31
Marchenko,
10:32
she
10:32
had
10:33
the
10:33
ability
10:34
to
10:34
use
10:35
soft
10:36
images
10:37
to
10:38
bring
10:38
my
10:38
story
10:38
to
10:39
life.
10:39
I
10:40
wasn't
10:41
excited
10:41
about
10:42
the
10:42
AI
10:43
looking
10:43
generated,
10:44
looking
10:45
cartoony
10:46
ones.
10:46
Right.
10:47
So
10:47
that's
10:47
why
10:48
I
10:48
chose
10:48
her.
10:49
Okay.
10:49
And
10:49
she
10:49
did
10:50
a
10:50
marvelous
10:50
job.
10:51
It's
10:51
beautiful.
10:52
It's
10:52
a
10:52
beautiful
10:52
book.
10:52
And
10:53
it's
10:53
interesting
10:53
you
10:53
should
10:54
say
10:54
that
10:54
because
10:55
I
10:55
interviewed
10:56
a
10:56
young
10:56
writer
10:57
from
10:58
Buffalo,
10:59
New
10:59
York,
10:59
and
11:00
he
11:00
has
11:01
written
11:01
seven
11:01
children's
11:02
books.
11:03
And
11:03
it's
11:04
interesting
11:04
that
11:04
you're
11:05
talking
11:05
about
11:06
the
11:06
illustrator
11:07
and
11:07
matching
11:08
your
11:08
concept
11:09
because
11:10
with
11:10
his
11:10
seven
11:11
books,
11:11
he's
11:11
had
11:12
three
11:12
different
11:12
illustrators.
11:13
And
11:13
at
11:14
first
11:14
I
11:14
thought,
11:15
oh,
11:16
was
11:16
there
11:16
a
11:16
problem
11:16
with
11:17
the
11:17
illustrator?
11:17
And
11:18
he
11:18
said,
11:18
no,
11:18
that's
11:19
not
11:19
it
11:19
at
11:19
all.
11:20
He
11:20
said,
11:21
each
11:21
one
11:21
of
11:21
my
11:22
books
11:22
has
11:22
a
11:22
different
11:23
feel
11:24
and
11:24
look
11:24
that
11:24
I'm.
11:25
I
11:25
can
11:25
visualize.
11:26
That's
11:27
why
11:27
I
11:27
chose
11:28
the
11:28
different
11:29
illustrators,
11:29
because
11:30
I
11:31
just
11:31
got
11:31
a
11:31
sense
11:32
that
11:32
they
11:32
understood
11:33
that
11:34
this
11:34
book
11:34
is
11:34
different
11:35
from
11:35
my
11:35
other
11:36
book
11:36
and.
11:37
And
11:37
what
11:37
I
11:37
was
11:38
trying
11:38
to
11:38
capture
11:39
it.
11:39
Definitely.
11:39
It's
11:40
incredible
11:40
how
11:40
it
11:41
comes
11:41
down
11:41
to
11:41
your
11:41
visualizing
11:43
what
11:43
you
11:43
would
11:44
like.
11:44
Yes.
11:45
In
11:45
fact,
11:45
when
11:46
she
11:46
sent
11:46
me
11:46
the
11:46
sketches,
11:48
they
11:48
were
11:48
good.
11:49
And
11:49
I've
11:50
had
11:50
long
11:50
conversations
11:51
with
11:51
Brooke
11:51
about
11:52
working
11:52
with
11:53
an
11:53
illustrator.
11:54
I
11:54
was
11:54
a
11:54
little
11:54
bit
11:54
more
11:55
controlling
11:55
and
11:56
I
11:56
had
11:56
to
11:56
really
11:56
pull.
11:57
Rein
11:57
myself
11:58
in.
11:58
So
11:59
I
11:59
sent
12:00
a
12:00
lot
12:00
of
12:00
stock
12:01
images
12:02
of
12:02
Canadian
12:03
landscapes,
12:03
the
12:04
flora
12:04
and
12:04
savanna
12:05
of
12:05
Canada.
12:06
I
12:06
actually
12:06
sketched
12:07
Icecap
12:08
myself.
12:09
And
12:09
I
12:09
said,
12:09
I
12:09
love
12:09
your
12:10
ice
12:10
cap,
12:11
but
12:11
I
12:11
need
12:11
him
12:12
to
12:12
look
12:12
like
12:12
this.
12:13
No,
12:13
good
12:13
for
12:13
you.
12:14
I
12:14
took
12:14
it
12:14
and
12:14
ran
12:15
with
12:15
it.
12:15
Fantastic.
12:16
And
12:16
you
12:17
know
12:17
what
12:17
is
12:17
interesting?
12:18
Because
12:18
we
12:18
went
12:19
through
12:19
the
12:19
same
12:20
kind
12:20
of
12:20
experience.
12:21
Some
12:22
illustrators
12:23
keep
12:23
all
12:23
the
12:24
rights
12:25
to
12:25
their
12:25
illustrations
12:27
and
12:27
their
12:27
characters.
12:28
Even
12:28
though
12:28
you've
12:29
created
12:29
the
12:29
character,
12:30
some
12:31
of
12:31
a
12:31
lot
12:31
of
12:31
illustrators
12:32
keep
12:33
the
12:33
images
12:34
as
12:34
their
12:35
copyright.
12:36
It's
12:36
interesting
12:37
because
12:37
I
12:37
was
12:37
talking
12:37
to
12:38
an
12:38
author
12:38
last
12:39
week,
12:39
and
12:39
she
12:40
created
12:40
a
12:40
really
12:41
cute
12:41
character,
12:42
but
12:42
she
12:42
doesn't
12:43
have
12:43
the
12:43
rights
12:43
to
12:43
the
12:44
images.
12:45
Whereas
12:46
our
12:46
character.
12:46
You
12:47
can
12:47
probably
12:47
see
12:47
him
12:47
in
12:47
the
12:48
back.
12:48
Yes.
12:48
Caboose,
12:49
the
12:49
Rocky
12:49
Mountain
12:50
bear.
12:50
We
12:51
designed
12:51
her
12:51
in
12:51
advance
12:52
of
12:53
me
12:53
ever
12:54
contacting
12:54
an
12:55
illustrator.
12:56
So
12:56
it
12:56
certainly
12:57
made
12:57
a
12:57
big
12:57
difference
12:58
because
12:59
we
12:59
actually
13:00
had
13:00
the
13:01
illustrator
13:01
sign
13:02
a
13:02
contract
13:03
that
13:03
we,
13:04
as
13:04
the.
13:05
The
13:05
writers,
13:06
had
13:06
the
13:07
rights
13:07
to
13:08
the
13:08
illustrations.
13:09
I
13:09
have
13:09
the
13:10
all.
13:10
And
13:10
that's
13:11
another
13:11
part
13:11
of
13:11
being
13:11
an
13:12
indie
13:12
author,
13:12
is
13:13
that
13:13
you
13:13
own
13:13
your
13:14
words,
13:15
you
13:15
own
13:15
your
13:16
story.
13:16
And
13:17
for
13:17
this
13:17
book
13:18
in
13:18
particular,
13:19
that
13:20
was
13:20
very
13:20
important
13:21
to
13:21
me
13:21
as
13:21
it
13:22
was
13:22
a
13:22
legacy
13:22
for
13:23
my
13:23
children
13:23
and
13:23
grandchildren
13:24
and
13:24
great
13:25
grandchildren
13:26
and
13:26
the.
13:26
And
13:27
I
13:27
have
13:27
permission
13:28
from
13:28
Brooke
13:28
to
13:29
use
13:29
images
13:30
in
13:30
any
13:30
way
13:31
I
13:31
need
13:31
to
13:32
advertise.
13:33
So
13:33
that's
13:33
why
13:33
I
13:34
got
13:34
the
13:34
ability.
13:35
To
13:35
do
13:35
that
13:36
when
13:36
you
13:37
started
13:37
looking
13:37
for
13:38
a.
13:39
And
13:39
I
13:39
don't
13:39
want
13:39
to
13:39
confuse
13:40
people,
13:40
because
13:41
a
13:41
lot
13:41
of
13:41
times
13:41
people
13:42
think
13:42
of
13:43
self
13:43
publishing
13:44
as
13:45
actually
13:46
you
13:46
doing
13:47
it
13:47
yourself.
13:48
And
13:49
that's
13:49
why
13:49
I
13:49
try
13:49
and
13:50
say
13:50
to
13:50
people
13:50
that
13:51
most
13:52
times
13:52
when
13:52
people
13:52
are
13:53
talking
13:53
about
13:53
self
13:54
publishing,
13:54
they're
13:54
really
13:55
talking
13:55
about
13:56
hybrid
13:56
publishing.
13:57
Yes.
13:58
Because
13:58
they're
13:58
contracting
13:59
a
13:59
company
14:00
to
14:00
do
14:01
a
14:01
lot
14:01
of
14:01
the
14:01
work.
14:02
And
14:02
there's
14:02
a
14:02
lot
14:02
of
14:03
these
14:03
type
14:03
of
14:03
companies
14:04
out
14:04
there
14:04
that
14:04
actually
14:06
take
14:06
on
14:06
the
14:06
work
14:07
of
14:07
authors
14:08
who
14:08
are,
14:09
like
14:09
you
14:09
said,
14:09
indie
14:10
authors
14:10
who
14:11
don't
14:11
have
14:11
a
14:11
traditional
14:12
publisher.
14:13
Yes.
14:13
I
14:14
think
14:14
you
14:14
can
14:14
go
14:14
the
14:15
other
14:15
route.
14:16
I
14:16
do
14:16
have
14:17
illustrator
14:18
friends
14:18
who
14:18
I
14:19
have
14:19
in
14:19
my
14:19
back
14:20
pocket.
14:20
Okay.
14:21
They
14:21
didn't
14:22
fit
14:22
my
14:22
story
14:22
this
14:23
time,
14:23
but
14:24
for
14:24
future
14:24
stories
14:25
they
14:25
may.
14:26
A
14:26
friend
14:26
of
14:26
mine,
14:27
she
14:27
owns
14:27
the
14:28
tees
14:28
and
14:28
apple
14:28
orchards
14:29
in
14:29
Leamington.
14:30
I
14:30
don't
14:30
know
14:30
if
14:30
you'd
14:31
ever
14:31
been.
14:31
There,
14:31
but
14:32
no,
14:32
I
14:32
have
14:32
not.
14:33
But
14:33
they
14:33
wrote
14:33
their
14:33
own
14:34
story
14:34
and
14:35
they
14:35
had
14:35
all
14:36
that
14:36
work
14:36
done
14:37
separately
14:38
with
14:38
local
14:39
people
14:40
and
14:41
they
14:41
have
14:41
it
14:41
in
14:42
their
14:42
store.
14:43
Okay.
14:43
I
14:43
could
14:44
have
14:44
gone
14:44
that
14:44
route,
14:45
but
14:46
I
14:47
really
14:48
wanted
14:48
the
14:48
look
14:49
and
14:49
feel
14:49
of
14:50
a
14:50
book
14:50
that
14:51
had
14:51
some
14:52
very
14:52
skilled
14:53
editors
14:54
and
14:55
illustrators.
14:56
I
14:57
wanted
14:57
their
14:57
skills.
14:58
My
14:58
book,
14:58
good
14:59
for
14:59
you.
14:59
And
14:59
that's
15:00
important
15:00
for
15:00
people
15:01
to
15:01
understand
15:01
because
15:02
as
15:03
you
15:03
become
15:03
more
15:04
experienced
15:05
now
15:05
that
15:05
you've
15:06
done
15:06
your
15:06
first
15:06
book,
15:07
your
15:08
approach
15:08
to
15:08
your
15:08
second
15:09
book,
15:09
if
15:09
you
15:09
have
15:10
a
15:10
second
15:10
book
15:10
in
15:11
mind.
15:12
I
15:12
have
15:12
several,
15:13
actually.
15:13
Oh,
15:13
yeah.
15:14
Okay.
15:14
And
15:14
you
15:14
know
15:15
what?
15:15
I.
15:15
I'm
15:15
finding
15:16
every
15:17
single
15:18
self
15:18
published
15:19
author,
15:19
indie
15:20
author
15:20
that
15:20
I've
15:21
talked
15:21
to,
15:22
they
15:22
all
15:22
have
15:23
multiple
15:24
books
15:25
just
15:25
dying
15:25
to
15:25
get
15:26
out
15:26
of
15:26
them.
15:26
And
15:26
it
15:27
was
15:27
interesting
15:27
because
15:27
I
15:28
talked
15:28
to
15:28
an
15:29
author
15:29
from
15:29
Seattle
15:30
and
15:30
he
15:31
said
15:31
to
15:31
me,
15:31
you
15:31
know
15:32
what,
15:32
Rick?
15:32
I
15:32
thought
15:33
it
15:33
was
15:33
one
15:34
and
15:34
done.
15:35
And
15:35
now
15:35
he
15:36
just
15:36
launched
15:36
his
15:37
fourth
15:37
book.
15:38
So
15:38
I
15:38
think
15:39
for
15:39
most
15:39
indie
15:40
authors,
15:40
there
15:41
is
15:41
no
15:41
one
15:41
and
15:41
done.
15:42
No,
15:43
I
15:43
don't
15:43
think
15:43
so.
15:44
I've
15:44
taken
15:45
the
15:45
Little
15:45
Tomato
15:46
and
15:46
created
15:47
a
15:47
story
15:47
out
15:47
of
15:47
it
15:48
recently.
15:48
I
15:48
just
15:49
actually
15:49
finished
15:49
it
15:49
about
15:50
two
15:50
days
15:50
ago,
15:51
but
15:51
I
15:51
have
15:51
a
15:51
few
15:52
more
15:52
already
15:52
written.
15:53
But
15:53
that
15:53
one
15:53
might
15:54
be
15:54
the
15:54
next
15:54
one.
15:55
One
15:55
author
15:56
I
15:56
talked
15:57
to
15:57
from
15:57
California,
15:58
she
15:58
wrote
15:59
a
15:59
book
15:59
called
16:00
Carol
16:00
the
16:00
Carrot
16:01
Bowls
16:01
for
16:01
the
16:02
Salad
16:02
Bowl.
16:03
So
16:04
it's
16:04
incredible
16:05
what
16:05
we
16:05
can
16:05
do
16:05
with
16:06
different
16:06
options.
16:07
And
16:07
that's
16:07
why
16:07
I
16:08
like
16:08
to
16:08
talk
16:08
to
16:08
people.
16:09
Your
16:09
imagination
16:10
is
16:11
endless.
16:11
And
16:12
that's
16:12
the
16:12
beautiful
16:13
thing
16:13
about
16:13
children's
16:14
books,
16:15
is
16:15
you
16:15
can
16:16
do
16:16
anything
16:17
you
16:17
want
16:17
and
16:18
create
16:18
an
16:19
engaging
16:19
story.
16:20
I
16:21
just
16:21
touched
16:21
base
16:22
a
16:22
bit
16:22
more
16:22
about
16:23
the
16:23
self
16:23
publishing.
16:24
Do
16:24
you
16:24
do
16:24
print
16:25
on
16:25
demand
16:25
or
16:26
did
16:26
you
16:26
run
16:26
a
16:26
large
16:27
quantity
16:28
of
16:28
books?
16:29
What's
16:30
your
16:30
story
16:30
there?
16:31
Like?
16:31
How
16:31
did
16:31
you
16:32
go
16:32
about
16:32
printing?
16:33
So
16:34
the
16:34
Biblio
16:35
Kids
16:35
takes
16:36
care
16:36
of
16:36
that
16:36
and
16:36
they
16:37
use
16:37
Ingram
16:38
in
16:38
the
16:38
States.
16:39
Ingram
16:39
Sparks.
16:39
And
16:40
so
16:40
I
16:40
believe
16:41
it's
16:41
print.
16:42
I
16:42
believe
16:42
it's
16:43
print
16:43
on
16:43
demand
16:43
because
16:44
my
16:44
book
16:45
is
16:45
available
16:45
across
16:46
many
16:46
platforms,
16:47
including
16:48
Indigo
16:49
now.
16:49
Yes.
16:50
Yeah.
16:50
The
16:51
order
16:51
they
16:51
print,
16:52
they
16:52
say.
16:52
Okay,
16:52
so
16:52
it's
16:53
primarily
16:53
print
16:54
on
16:54
demand.
16:55
I
16:55
ordered
16:56
about
16:56
200
16:57
books
16:57
myself,
16:58
and
16:58
I've
16:58
sold
16:59
most
16:59
of
16:59
them
16:59
already
17:00
locally
17:01
through
17:01
all
17:02
kinds
17:02
of
17:02
different
17:02
local
17:03
stores,
17:03
vendors,
17:04
word
17:04
of
17:04
mouth,
17:05
teachers,
17:06
school.
17:07
For
17:07
your
17:07
second
17:08
book
17:08
and
17:09
your
17:09
third
17:09
book,
17:09
we
17:10
all,
17:10
we're
17:10
all
17:10
learning.
17:11
And
17:11
I
17:12
myself,
17:12
and
17:13
I've
17:13
actually
17:13
got
17:14
all
17:14
of
17:14
my
17:14
grandchildren
17:15
involved
17:16
to
17:16
some
17:16
degree.
17:17
I'm
17:17
just
17:17
wondering,
17:19
what
17:19
would
17:19
you
17:19
change
17:20
now
17:21
that
17:21
you've
17:21
gotten
17:21
into
17:22
this
17:22
publishing
17:23
approach?
17:24
Would.
17:24
What
17:24
would
17:24
you
17:24
change
17:25
in
17:25
your.
17:25
In
17:26
publishing
17:26
your
17:26
next
17:27
book?
17:27
As
17:28
far
17:28
as
17:29
how
17:30
who
17:30
I
17:30
approach
17:31
to
17:31
publish
17:31
it,
17:31
do
17:32
you
17:32
mean
17:32
would.
17:32
You
17:32
take
17:33
on
17:33
more
17:33
of
17:33
the
17:33
work
17:34
now?
17:34
That.
17:34
I
17:35
don't
17:35
think
17:35
I
17:35
would.
17:36
Okay.
17:36
I
17:37
don't
17:37
think
17:37
so.
17:38
My,
17:38
my
17:39
strength
17:39
is
17:39
a
17:39
story.
17:40
I'm
17:40
actually
17:40
also
17:41
a
17:41
bit
17:41
of
17:41
an
17:41
artist.
17:42
Okay.
17:43
But
17:43
I
17:43
understand
17:44
how
17:45
time
17:45
consuming
17:46
that
17:46
is.
17:46
Yes.
17:47
And
17:48
I,
17:48
I
17:49
also,
17:50
I
17:50
feel
17:50
like
17:51
I'm
17:51
a
17:51
patron
17:51
of
17:51
the
17:52
arts
17:52
also.
17:53
I
17:53
really
17:54
like
17:54
to
17:54
support
17:55
fellow
17:56
artists
17:57
and
17:57
so
17:57
I
17:57
would
17:57
definitely
17:59
connect
17:59
with
17:59
one
17:59
of
17:59
my
18:00
illustrator
18:00
friends
18:01
to
18:01
do
18:01
that
18:02
again.
18:02
Because
18:03
the
18:03
other
18:03
thing
18:03
that
18:04
other
18:04
illustrators
18:05
do
18:05
for
18:06
your
18:06
story
18:07
is
18:07
they
18:07
sometimes
18:08
bring
18:08
out
18:08
details
18:10
that
18:10
you
18:10
hadn't
18:11
thought
18:11
of
18:11
or
18:12
considered.
18:12
So
18:13
for
18:13
example,
18:13
Ice
18:14
Cap
18:14
rides
18:14
a
18:14
snowboard.
18:15
Yes.
18:16
And
18:17
there's
18:17
a
18:17
whole
18:18
story
18:18
by
18:19
high
18:19
snowboard
18:20
too.
18:20
Right.
18:21
But
18:21
she
18:21
designed
18:22
the,
18:22
the
18:22
Blue
18:23
Lightning
18:24
and
18:24
he's
18:24
fast
18:25
and
18:26
I
18:26
loved
18:26
it.
18:27
I'm
18:27
like,
18:27
oh
18:27
my
18:27
gosh,
18:28
I
18:28
never
18:28
would
18:29
have
18:29
thought
18:30
to
18:30
do
18:30
that.
18:31
So
18:31
other
18:32
illustrators
18:33
bring
18:33
their
18:33
own
18:34
kind
18:35
of
18:35
knowledge,
18:35
experiences
18:36
and
18:37
creativity
18:38
to
18:38
your
18:38
work.
18:39
That's
18:39
probably
18:40
the
18:40
biggest
18:40
reason
18:41
I
18:41
would
18:41
want
18:42
another
18:42
person
18:42
to
18:43
have
18:43
their
18:43
hands
18:43
on
18:43
it.
18:44
Okay.
18:45
Okay.
18:45
And
18:45
I
18:45
can
18:46
tell
18:46
you
18:46
from
18:46
my
18:47
experience
18:47
that
18:48
we
18:48
will
18:48
always
18:49
use
18:49
an
18:49
illustrator
18:50
because
18:51
I
18:52
just
18:52
don't
18:52
have
18:52
that
18:53
skill
18:53
set.
18:53
And
18:54
at
18:55
this
18:55
point,
18:55
none
18:55
of
18:56
my
18:56
grandchildren
18:57
have
18:57
that
18:57
skill
18:57
set.
18:58
So
18:58
that,
18:58
that's
18:59
definitely
18:59
very
19:00
important
19:01
that
19:01
we
19:01
work
19:02
with
19:02
a.
19:02
As
19:03
you
19:03
said,
19:03
an
19:03
illustrator.
19:04
And
19:04
like
19:04
I
19:04
was
19:04
talking
19:05
about
19:05
earlier
19:06
about
19:06
Aaron,
19:07
who
19:07
has
19:08
seven
19:08
children's
19:09
books
19:09
and
19:09
worked
19:09
with
19:10
three
19:10
different
19:10
illustrators.
19:12
Again,
19:12
I'm
19:12
just
19:12
trying
19:13
to.
19:13
For
19:13
anybody
19:14
who's
19:14
an
19:14
aspiring
19:16
children's
19:16
book
19:16
author,
19:17
don't
19:17
be
19:18
afraid
19:18
to
19:18
go
19:18
outside
19:19
your
19:19
comfort
19:19
zone.
19:20
And
19:20
there's.
19:21
You
19:21
don't
19:21
have
19:21
to
19:21
stick
19:21
with
19:22
the
19:22
same
19:22
illustrator
19:23
for
19:24
your
19:24
next
19:24
book.
19:25
I
19:25
most
19:26
likely
19:26
would
19:26
not.
19:27
Okay.
19:28
Because
19:28
the
19:28
subject
19:29
material
19:30
has
19:30
a
19:30
different
19:31
sort
19:31
of
19:31
vibrancy
19:32
to
19:32
it,
19:32
Right?
19:33
Absolutely.
19:33
And
19:34
hers
19:34
would
19:34
not
19:34
match.
19:35
Okay,
19:35
terrific.
19:36
So
19:37
the
19:37
other
19:37
thing
19:37
that
19:38
I
19:38
love
19:38
to
19:38
talk
19:38
to
19:39
you
19:39
about
19:39
is
19:39
your
19:40
website.
19:40
I
19:41
like
19:41
your
19:41
website
19:42
and
19:43
it's
19:43
lots
19:44
of
19:44
fun.
19:45
And
19:45
as
19:45
a
19:46
self
19:46
published
19:47
author,
19:47
did
19:48
you
19:48
launch
19:49
your
19:49
website
19:50
before
19:51
or
19:51
after
19:52
you
19:52
launched
19:53
your
19:53
book?
19:54
I
19:54
launched
19:54
it
19:54
before
19:55
because
19:55
my
19:56
publisher
19:57
told
19:57
me
19:57
that
19:58
I
19:58
had
19:58
to.
19:59
That's
19:59
the
19:59
difference
20:00
between
20:00
traditional
20:01
and
20:02
indie
20:02
authors
20:03
or
20:03
traditionally
20:04
published
20:04
and
20:05
self
20:05
published.
20:05
Published
20:06
authors
20:06
is
20:07
that
20:07
you're
20:07
self
20:08
published.
20:08
You
20:08
have
20:09
to
20:09
do
20:09
all
20:09
the
20:09
marketing.
20:10
Basically.
20:11
That's
20:11
correct.
20:12
I
20:12
did
20:13
this
20:13
with
20:13
my
20:13
niece
20:14
Abby,
20:14
who's
20:15
a
20:15
wonderful
20:15
niece
20:15
of
20:16
mine
20:16
and
20:16
just
20:16
love
20:16
her
20:17
to
20:17
pieces
20:17
and
20:18
she
20:18
has
20:18
a
20:18
few
20:18
little
20:19
skills.
20:19
Then
20:20
I
20:20
spent
20:20
a
20:21
little
20:21
money
20:21
and
20:21
I
20:21
redesigned
20:22
it
20:22
this
20:22
summer.
20:23
Okay.
20:23
Or
20:24
I
20:24
had
20:24
it
20:24
redesigned
20:25
and
20:25
that
20:25
took
20:26
probably
20:26
about
20:26
three
20:27
months
20:27
to
20:27
get
20:27
that.
20:27
So
20:28
the
20:28
beautiful
20:28
thing
20:28
about
20:28
it
20:29
is
20:29
you
20:29
already
20:30
had
20:31
the
20:31
graphics
20:32
from
20:32
your
20:32
book
20:33
that
20:33
you
20:33
could
20:34
incorporate
20:35
into
20:35
your
20:35
website.
20:36
And
20:37
the
20:37
reason
20:37
I
20:37
tell
20:38
people
20:38
that
20:38
story
20:39
is
20:39
that
20:40
now
20:41
obviously
20:41
you
20:42
had
20:42
the
20:42
graphics
20:43
before
20:43
you
20:44
published
20:44
the
20:44
book.
20:45
In
20:45
our
20:46
case,
20:46
somebody
20:47
said
20:47
to
20:47
us,
20:48
my
20:48
granddaughter
20:49
and
20:49
I
20:49
were
20:50
about
20:50
to
20:50
publish
20:51
our
20:51
book
20:51
and
20:51
somebody
20:52
said,
20:52
where's
20:53
your
20:53
home?
20:53
And
20:54
we
20:54
said
20:54
what
20:54
do
20:54
you
20:54
mean
20:54
where's
20:55
our
20:55
home?
20:55
And
20:55
they
20:55
said
20:55
where's
20:56
your
20:56
website?
20:57
Like
20:57
where
20:57
do
20:58
people
20:58
go
20:58
to
20:58
buy
20:58
your
20:58
book?
20:59
And
20:59
I
21:00
thought,
21:00
oh,
21:00
we'll
21:00
just
21:01
send
21:01
them
21:01
to
21:01
Amazon
21:02
or
21:03
we
21:03
also
21:03
publish
21:04
through
21:04
IngramSpark.
21:05
So
21:05
we
21:05
said
21:05
our
21:06
books
21:06
available
21:07
anywhere
21:07
there's
21:08
online
21:08
book
21:09
retailers.
21:09
Anyways,
21:10
long
21:11
story
21:11
short,
21:12
luckily,
21:13
because
21:14
we
21:14
were
21:14
almost
21:14
finished
21:15
our
21:15
book,
21:15
we
21:15
had
21:16
all
21:16
the
21:16
graphics
21:16
like
21:17
you
21:17
did.
21:17
But
21:18
it
21:18
took
21:18
us
21:18
about
21:19
six
21:19
months
21:19
before
21:20
we
21:20
actually
21:21
launched
21:22
our
21:22
website
21:23
to
21:23
support
21:24
our
21:24
book.
21:24
But
21:24
in
21:25
your
21:25
case,
21:25
you
21:26
got.
21:26
It
21:26
looks
21:26
like
21:26
you
21:27
got
21:27
sound
21:28
advice
21:28
and
21:29
had
21:29
your
21:30
website
21:30
up
21:30
and
21:30
running.
21:31
Prior
21:31
to
21:32
launch
21:33
was
21:33
actually
21:34
a
21:34
requirement
21:35
from
21:35
them.
21:36
Okay.
21:36
To
21:36
have
21:37
that
21:37
done.
21:37
And
21:38
how
21:38
did
21:38
that
21:38
work
21:39
for
21:39
you?
21:39
How
21:39
do
21:39
you
21:39
feel
21:40
that
21:40
worked
21:40
for
21:41
you
21:41
having
21:41
a
21:42
website?
21:42
I
21:43
really
21:43
loved
21:43
that,
21:44
that
21:44
particular
21:44
publisher
21:45
because
21:45
they
21:46
had
21:46
a
21:46
whole
21:46
student
21:47
portal
21:48
that
21:48
led
21:48
you
21:49
through
21:49
all
21:49
the
21:49
steps
21:50
of
21:51
marketing,
21:51
getting
21:52
ready,
21:52
what
21:52
should
21:53
you
21:53
have
21:54
in
21:54
your
21:54
back
21:55
pocket?
21:56
They
21:56
had
21:56
it
21:56
all
21:56
laid
21:57
out
21:57
for
21:57
you.
21:58
It
21:58
was
21:59
very
21:59
helpful.
22:00
Is
22:00
there
22:00
any
22:00
of
22:00
those
22:01
steps
22:01
that
22:01
you
22:01
said
22:02
maybe
22:02
I
22:02
can
22:02
just
22:03
take
22:03
on
22:03
myself
22:04
next
22:04
time?
22:05
Absolutely.
22:06
For
22:07
example,
22:08
I
22:08
probably
22:09
don't
22:09
have
22:09
to
22:10
take
22:10
on
22:10
those
22:10
steps
22:11
again
22:11
because
22:11
I
22:11
already
22:12
have
22:12
done
22:12
them,
22:13
which
22:13
is
22:13
the
22:14
website
22:15
knowing
22:15
how
22:15
to
22:15
get
22:16
your
22:16
social
22:16
media
22:17
going.
22:17
I
22:17
haven't
22:18
done
22:18
enough
22:19
with
22:19
that.
22:20
Right
22:21
now
22:21
I'm
22:22
wondering
22:23
whether
22:23
I'm
22:24
going
22:24
to
22:24
get
22:25
off
22:25
of
22:25
TikTok
22:26
or
22:26
not.
22:26
I'm
22:27
not
22:27
certain
22:28
about
22:28
that
22:28
one.
22:29
And
22:30
stick
22:30
maybe
22:30
just
22:31
with
22:31
Instagram
22:32
and
22:32
Facebook
22:33
and
22:33
so
22:33
forth.
22:33
But
22:34
what
22:34
I
22:34
found
22:35
so
22:35
far
22:36
in
22:36
all
22:36
the
22:37
children's
22:37
book
22:37
authors
22:38
that
22:38
I've
22:38
interviewed,
22:39
I
22:40
a
22:40
hundred
22:40
percent
22:41
use
22:42
Instagram
22:43
and
22:44
I
22:44
haven't
22:45
seen
22:45
too
22:45
many
22:46
using
22:46
TikTok
22:47
and
22:48
some
22:49
definitely
22:50
have
22:50
Facebook.
22:50
But
22:51
I'm
22:51
finding
22:52
most
22:53
gravitate
22:53
towards
22:54
Instagram
22:55
for
22:55
whatever
22:55
reason.
22:56
And
22:56
I've
22:57
been
22:57
inspired
22:58
by
22:58
those
22:58
people
22:59
to
22:59
do
22:59
more
23:00
on
23:00
Instagram
23:01
than
23:01
I
23:02
had
23:02
in
23:02
the
23:02
past.
23:03
So
23:04
just
23:04
so
23:05
far,
23:05
that's
23:05
been
23:06
what
23:06
I've
23:07
seen
23:07
in
23:07
terms
23:08
of
23:08
social
23:09
media
23:10
and
23:10
where
23:10
most
23:10
children's
23:11
book
23:11
authors
23:12
kind
23:12
of
23:13
gravitate
23:13
to.
23:14
Yes.
23:14
And
23:15
just
23:15
recently
23:16
got
23:16
onto
23:16
Threads.
23:17
Yes,
23:18
yes.
23:19
And
23:20
that
23:20
has
23:20
been
23:21
amazing.
23:22
Just
23:22
the
23:22
support
23:23
from
23:23
other
23:23
authors
23:24
and
23:25
just
23:25
telling
23:26
each
23:26
other
23:26
our
23:26
stories.
23:27
For
23:27
any
23:28
new
23:28
authors,
23:28
I
23:29
would
23:29
get
23:29
a
23:29
hop
23:29
on
23:30
to
23:30
there
23:30
and
23:31
start
23:32
listening
23:32
and
23:33
reading.
23:34
And
23:35
just
23:35
so
23:35
everyone
23:35
understand
23:37
Threads
23:37
is
23:37
attached
23:38
to
23:39
Instagram.
23:40
Yes.
23:40
Yeah.
23:41
And
23:41
I
23:41
just
23:41
want.
23:42
So
23:42
if
23:42
there's
23:43
any
23:43
aspiring
23:44
listeners.
23:45
Authors.
23:46
Aspiring
23:46
authors
23:47
who
23:47
are
23:47
listening,
23:48
you
23:48
can
23:48
definitely
23:49
see
23:50
what
23:50
Joan
23:51
is
23:51
talking
23:51
about
23:52
once
23:52
you
23:52
get
23:53
into
23:53
your
23:54
Instagram
23:54
account,
23:55
then
23:55
you
23:55
can
23:56
use
23:56
that.
23:57
Use
23:57
Threads
23:58
as
23:58
a
23:58
way
23:58
to
23:59
build
24:00
a
24:00
community.
24:01
Yes.
24:02
I
24:02
do
24:02
want
24:02
to
24:03
mention
24:03
Indigo.
24:04
I
24:04
love
24:05
Indigo.
24:06
They
24:06
put
24:07
the
24:07
little
24:07
Canadian
24:08
sticker
24:09
on
24:10
the
24:10
page,
24:10
on
24:10
your
24:11
selling
24:12
page
24:13
on
24:13
top
24:13
of
24:13
your
24:13
book.
24:14
And
24:15
the
24:16
climate
24:16
in
24:17
our
24:17
country
24:18
at
24:18
the
24:18
moment
24:19
is
24:19
to
24:20
buy
24:20
Canadian.
24:21
And
24:21
so
24:22
that.
24:22
That's
24:23
been
24:23
awesome.
24:23
I
24:23
did
24:24
appreciate
24:24
that
24:24
very
24:24
much.
24:25
Okay.
24:25
And
24:25
for
24:26
those
24:26
who
24:26
were
24:27
maybe
24:27
listening
24:28
in
24:28
the
24:28
western
24:29
part
24:29
of
24:29
Canada,
24:30
it's.
24:30
It's
24:31
call.
24:32
It's
24:32
Chapters.
24:33
Indigo
24:33
or
24:33
Indigo.
24:34
Chapters,
24:35
yes.
24:35
Indigo.
24:36
Ca.
24:36
Yeah.
24:37
Like
24:37
my
24:37
wife
24:37
and
24:37
I
24:38
were
24:38
in
24:38
Chapter.
24:39
I
24:39
took
24:39
my
24:39
youngest
24:40
granddaughter,
24:40
she
24:40
had
24:41
just
24:41
bought
24:41
a
24:41
book,
24:42
and
24:42
I
24:42
took
24:42
her
24:42
to
24:43
Chapters
24:43
last
24:44
night
24:44
for
24:44
her
24:44
to
24:44
pick
24:45
that.
24:45
Pick
24:45
the
24:45
book
24:46
up.
24:46
I'm
24:47
also
24:48
wondering
24:49
about
24:50
when
24:50
you
24:50
say
24:51
your
24:51
website.
24:52
So
24:52
you
24:53
said
24:53
your
24:53
niece
24:53
was
24:54
involved.
24:55
She
24:55
got
24:55
it
24:56
up
24:56
and
24:56
running
24:56
for
24:57
me.
24:57
Okay.
24:58
And
24:58
then
24:58
I.
24:58
I
24:59
interviewed
24:59
a
25:00
whole
25:00
bunch
25:00
of
25:00
people
25:01
to
25:02
do
25:02
my
25:02
website
25:03
again.
25:03
I
25:03
was
25:04
looking
25:04
for
25:04
a
25:04
Canadian,
25:05
didn't
25:06
find
25:06
one.
25:06
Okay.
25:07
Ended
25:07
up
25:07
with
25:07
a.
25:08
Someone
25:08
out
25:08
of
25:08
California,
25:09
I
25:09
think.
25:10
And
25:11
they
25:11
have
25:12
taken
25:12
the
25:12
ball
25:12
with
25:12
it.
25:13
So,
25:13
yeah,
25:14
very
25:14
nice
25:15
job.
25:16
Yeah.
25:16
People
25:16
should
25:17
definitely
25:17
visit
25:17
your
25:18
website
25:18
and
25:18
we'll
25:18
make
25:18
sure
25:19
we
25:19
have
25:19
links
25:20
to
25:20
your
25:20
website
25:21
in
25:21
the
25:21
show
25:21
notes
25:22
just
25:22
so
25:23
everybody
25:23
can
25:23
go
25:23
and
25:24
see
25:24
how
25:25
needed
25:25
is.
25:26
The
25:26
other
25:26
thing
25:26
I
25:26
want
25:26
to
25:27
pick
25:27
up
25:27
on.
25:28
And
25:28
I
25:29
tend
25:29
to
25:30
not
25:30
get
25:30
too
25:30
political
25:31
about
25:31
this
25:32
because
25:32
what
25:33
I
25:33
found,
25:33
and
25:34
I
25:34
hope
25:34
when
25:35
everybody's
25:35
listening
25:36
to
25:36
this,
25:36
what
25:36
I
25:36
found
25:37
with
25:37
children's
25:38
book
25:38
authors
25:39
is
25:40
that
25:41
we're
25:41
all
25:41
trying
25:42
to
25:43
bring
25:44
our
25:44
creativity
25:45
through
25:46
our
25:46
words
25:47
to.
25:47
To
25:47
illustrations
25:48
and
25:48
bring
25:48
it
25:48
to
25:49
life.
25:49
And
25:50
a
25:51
lot
25:51
of
25:51
the
25:52
children's
25:52
book
25:53
authors
25:53
that
25:53
I've
25:54
interviewed,
25:55
some
25:55
of
25:56
them
25:56
are
25:56
in
25:56
the
25:56
States
25:57
and
25:58
some
25:58
of
25:58
them
25:58
are
25:58
in
25:58
Canada,
25:59
and
25:59
some
25:59
of
25:59
them
25:59
are
26:00
in
26:00
great
26:00
Britain.
26:00
But
26:00
what
26:01
I'm
26:01
finding
26:02
is
26:03
that
26:03
illustrators
26:05
are
26:05
from
26:06
all
26:06
over
26:07
the
26:07
world.
26:08
Like
26:08
for
26:08
example,
26:09
our
26:09
illustrator
26:10
is
26:10
in,
26:11
in
26:11
the
26:12
United
26:12
Kingdom.
26:13
And
26:13
similar
26:14
to
26:14
what
26:14
you
26:15
were
26:15
just
26:15
saying,
26:15
Joan.
26:16
So
26:16
I
26:16
want
26:16
everybody
26:17
to
26:17
understand
26:17
this
26:18
is
26:18
that
26:19
for
26:19
example,
26:20
we
26:20
tried
26:21
to
26:21
find
26:21
someone
26:22
to
26:22
illustrate
26:22
our
26:23
book
26:23
in
26:24
Canada.
26:24
That
26:24
just
26:25
didn't
26:25
work
26:25
for
26:25
us,
26:25
just
26:26
like
26:26
it
26:26
didn't
26:27
work
26:27
for
26:27
you.
26:28
I
26:28
think
26:28
it's
26:29
important
26:29
for
26:29
people
26:29
to
26:30
understand
26:30
that
26:31
the
26:31
children's
26:32
book
26:33
community
26:34
is
26:35
global.
26:35
I
26:36
don't
26:36
think
26:36
anybody
26:37
should
26:37
be
26:37
putting
26:37
up
26:38
any
26:38
walls,
26:39
especially
26:39
when
26:40
it
26:40
comes
26:40
to
26:40
children.
26:41
Absolutely
26:41
correct.
26:42
Thank
26:43
you.
26:43
Just
26:43
want
26:44
to
26:44
everybody
26:45
understand
26:46
that
26:46
this
26:47
is
26:47
global.
26:48
Children's
26:49
books
26:49
are
26:50
global.
26:51
I
26:51
started
26:51
the
26:52
our
26:52
podcast.
26:53
We
26:54
have
26:54
listeners
26:54
in
26:55
over
26:55
19
26:55
countries.
26:57
That's
26:57
wonderful.
26:58
I
26:58
have
26:58
a
26:58
cousin
26:59
who
26:59
has
26:59
been
27:00
awesome.
27:01
She's
27:01
bought
27:02
so
27:02
many
27:02
of
27:02
my
27:02
books.
27:03
One
27:03
of
27:03
them
27:03
is
27:04
going
27:04
to
27:04
land
27:04
up
27:05
in
27:05
Finland.
27:06
They're
27:06
all,
27:06
they're
27:07
from
27:07
all
27:07
over.
27:07
I
27:08
have
27:08
lots
27:08
of
27:08
cousins
27:09
in
27:09
the
27:09
United
27:10
States
27:11
and
27:11
I
27:12
do
27:12
love
27:12
traveling
27:13
there.
27:13
I
27:13
love
27:14
the
27:14
country
27:14
too.
27:15
I
27:15
talked
27:15
to
27:16
a
27:16
mother
27:16
and
27:17
son
27:18
who,
27:19
the
27:19
who
27:20
wrote
27:20
a
27:21
book
27:21
about
27:22
dyslexia
27:23
and
27:24
their
27:25
book.
27:25
Even
27:25
though
27:26
they're.
27:26
They're
27:26
in
27:27
the
27:27
States,
27:27
they
27:28
just
27:28
got
27:28
a
27:29
large
27:29
purchase
27:30
from
27:30
friends.
27:32
Nice.
27:32
So
27:33
you
27:33
just
27:33
never
27:33
know
27:34
what's
27:34
going
27:34
to
27:35
happen
27:35
with
27:35
your
27:36
children's
27:36
book.
27:37
It
27:37
gets
27:37
recognized
27:38
and
27:39
when
27:39
people
27:39
come
27:39
on
27:40
shows
27:40
like
27:40
ours
27:41
and
27:41
then
27:41
people
27:42
are
27:42
listening
27:42
globally,
27:43
you
27:44
just
27:44
never
27:44
know
27:44
what
27:44
happens.
27:45
I
27:45
was
27:45
talking
27:46
to
27:47
an
27:47
author
27:47
the
27:48
other
27:48
day
27:49
who
27:49
was
27:49
on
27:49
our
27:49
show
27:50
and
27:51
she
27:52
was
27:52
shocked
27:53
when
27:53
she
27:53
found
27:53
out
27:54
she
27:54
had
27:54
sold
27:55
some
27:55
books
27:55
in
27:55
India
27:56
and
27:57
she
27:57
lives
27:57
in
27:57
Texas.
27:58
I'm
27:58
trying
27:59
to
27:59
encourage
27:59
people
27:59
to
27:59
understand.
28:00
Even
28:01
as
28:01
a
28:02
self
28:02
published
28:03
children's
28:03
book
28:04
author
28:04
or
28:04
indie
28:05
book
28:05
author,
28:06
it's
28:06
incredible
28:07
that
28:08
our
28:08
reach
28:08
is
28:09
global.
28:09
That's
28:10
right.
28:11
So
28:11
when
28:11
you
28:12
decided
28:12
to,
28:13
to
28:14
change
28:14
your
28:15
website,
28:16
tell
28:16
us
28:16
a
28:16
little
28:17
bit
28:17
about
28:17
how
28:18
did
28:18
that
28:18
come
28:18
about?
28:19
Because
28:19
I
28:19
talked
28:19
to
28:19
a
28:20
lot
28:20
of
28:20
children's
28:21
book
28:21
authors
28:22
and
28:22
they
28:22
do
28:22
the
28:23
same
28:23
thing.
28:23
They
28:23
start
28:24
on
28:24
their
28:24
own
28:24
and
28:25
then
28:26
once
28:26
they
28:26
get
28:27
some
28:27
traction,
28:27
they
28:28
tend
28:28
to
28:28
be
28:28
a
28:28
little
28:28
more
28:29
professional
28:29
about
28:29
it.
28:30
So
28:30
tell
28:30
us
28:30
about
28:31
that
28:31
journey
28:31
that
28:32
you
28:32
went
28:32
on.
28:33
My
28:33
website
28:34
page
28:34
was
28:35
my
28:35
face.
28:36
That
28:36
was
28:37
all
28:38
right.
28:38
And
28:39
although
28:39
my
28:40
face
28:40
is
28:40
okay
28:40
and
28:41
everything,
28:41
my
28:42
family
28:42
seems
28:42
to.
28:42
My
28:43
husband
28:43
seems
28:43
to
28:43
love
28:44
my
28:44
face.
28:44
That's
28:45
good.
28:45
I
28:45
really
28:46
wanted
28:46
to
28:47
showcase
28:48
the
28:48
book
28:49
and
28:49
in
28:50
the
28:50
future
28:50
other
28:51
books
28:52
I
28:52
think
28:52
it
28:53
was.
28:53
And
28:53
I
28:53
looked
28:54
at
28:54
a
28:54
lot
28:54
of
28:54
other
28:55
authors
28:55
web
28:56
and
28:57
they're
28:58
famous.
28:59
I'm
28:59
not
29:00
famous,
29:01
but
29:01
I'm
29:01
also
29:02
a
29:02
teacher
29:02
and
29:03
a
29:03
little
29:03
bit
29:03
of
29:03
a
29:03
perfectionist
29:04
So
29:04
I
29:05
thought,
29:05
if
29:06
I'm
29:06
going
29:06
to
29:06
do
29:07
this,
29:07
I'm
29:08
going
29:08
to
29:08
do
29:08
this
29:09
right,
29:10
and
29:10
it's
29:10
going
29:11
to
29:11
be
29:11
hopefully
29:12
a
29:12
wow
29:13
when
29:13
people
29:13
open
29:13
it
29:14
up
29:14
and
29:14
see
29:14
how
29:15
visually
29:16
pleasing
29:17
it
29:17
is.
29:18
And
29:18
that
29:18
was
29:19
important
29:19
to
29:19
me.
29:20
And
29:20
yes,
29:20
it
29:20
cost
29:21
a
29:21
lot
29:21
of
29:21
money
29:22
to
29:22
do
29:22
that.
29:23
But
29:23
when
29:23
I
29:23
go
29:23
into
29:24
schools
29:25
and
29:25
I
29:25
say
29:26
to
29:26
the
29:26
teacher,
29:27
pull
29:27
up
29:27
my
29:28
website
29:28
for
29:28
the
29:28
kids,
29:29
it's,
29:30
wow,
29:31
that
29:31
looks
29:31
so
29:32
professional.
29:33
So
29:33
it's
29:33
important.
29:34
It's
29:34
important.
29:35
They
29:35
say
29:35
you
29:35
don't
29:36
judge
29:36
a
29:36
book
29:36
by
29:36
its
29:37
cover,
29:37
but
29:38
actually
29:38
people
29:39
do.
29:39
It's
29:40
important
29:40
that
29:40
I,
29:41
we
29:41
share
29:41
that
29:42
with
29:42
everyone.
29:42
And
29:43
that's
29:43
why
29:43
I
29:44
tell
29:44
the
29:44
story
29:45
about
29:46
the
29:46
neat
29:47
thing
29:47
about
29:48
having
29:48
a
29:49
children's
29:49
book
29:50
and
29:50
you
29:50
have
29:50
the
29:50
illustrations
29:52
is
29:52
that
29:53
you
29:53
can
29:53
transform
29:54
those
29:54
illustrations
29:55
into
29:56
a
29:57
beautiful
29:58
website.
29:58
And
29:58
that's
29:59
what
29:59
Joan's
29:59
done.
30:00
That's
30:00
what
30:00
we've
30:00
done.
30:01
I'm
30:01
just
30:02
trying
30:02
to
30:02
give
30:02
aspiring
30:03
authors
30:04
a
30:04
little
30:04
heads
30:05
up
30:05
if
30:05
you're
30:05
about
30:06
to
30:06
start
30:06
the
30:06
journey.
30:07
I
30:07
think
30:08
the
30:08
advice
30:09
you
30:09
got,
30:09
Joan,
30:09
was
30:10
great
30:10
advice.
30:10
You've
30:11
got
30:11
most
30:12
of
30:12
your
30:12
illustrations
30:13
completed,
30:14
and
30:15
then
30:15
that
30:15
gives
30:15
you
30:16
the
30:17
resources
30:17
to
30:18
then
30:18
build
30:18
a
30:18
cool
30:19
website.
30:20
That's
30:20
right.
30:21
I
30:21
know
30:21
you
30:21
talked
30:22
about
30:22
your
30:22
granddaughter.
30:24
You
30:24
said
30:24
Audrey,
30:25
Yes,
30:25
Audrey,
30:26
yes.
30:26
So
30:27
you
30:27
talked
30:27
about
30:27
your
30:27
granddaughter,
30:28
Audrey,
30:29
about
30:29
being
30:29
your
30:29
motivation.
30:30
Was
30:31
there
30:31
any
30:31
other
30:32
person
30:33
or
30:33
event
30:34
that
30:34
motivated
30:35
you
30:35
to
30:36
finally,
30:37
after
30:37
all
30:38
these
30:38
years,
30:39
get
30:39
your
30:39
children's
30:40
book
30:40
out
30:40
into
30:41
the
30:41
world?
30:41
I
30:42
would
30:42
say
30:42
yes,
30:43
because
30:44
I
30:44
did
30:44
promise
30:45
all
30:45
of
30:45
my
30:46
students
30:46
that
30:47
I
30:47
would
30:47
be
30:47
an
30:48
author
30:48
one
30:48
day
30:48
and
30:48
I
30:49
would
30:49
write
30:49
a
30:49
book
30:50
and
30:50
it
30:51
would
30:51
be
30:51
out
30:51
there
30:51
and
30:51
they
30:52
would
30:52
be
30:52
able
30:52
to
30:52
purchase
30:53
it.
30:53
That
30:54
has
30:54
been
30:54
such
30:55
a
30:55
dream
30:55
of
30:55
mine.
30:55
And
30:56
I
30:56
have
30:56
been
30:56
very
30:57
motivated.
30:58
Unfortunately,
30:59
sometimes
30:59
you're.
31:00
Since
31:00
we're
31:00
the
31:00
sandwich
31:01
generation,
31:02
I've.
31:02
I
31:02
have
31:03
elderly
31:03
parents.
31:04
I
31:04
did
31:04
much
31:05
caregiving
31:06
so
31:06
that
31:07
you
31:07
have
31:07
to
31:07
take
31:08
time
31:08
and
31:08
honor
31:08
those
31:09
parts
31:09
of
31:09
your
31:09
life.
31:10
And
31:10
so
31:10
I
31:10
did,
31:11
absolutely.
31:11
But
31:12
when
31:12
I
31:12
was
31:13
more
31:13
free
31:14
from
31:15
working
31:16
on
31:16
the
31:16
farm
31:17
and
31:17
because
31:17
I
31:18
sold
31:18
my
31:18
farm
31:18
to
31:19
my
31:19
son,
31:19
but
31:19
I
31:20
still
31:20
was
31:20
planting
31:21
tomatoes
31:21
and
31:22
doing
31:22
different
31:23
things,
31:23
so
31:23
I'm
31:24
a
31:24
bit
31:24
more
31:24
free
31:25
of
31:25
that.
31:25
I
31:26
had
31:26
the
31:26
time
31:27
and
31:27
my.
31:28
I
31:28
have
31:28
to
31:28
tell
31:28
you
31:29
my
31:29
greatest
31:29
joy.
31:30
Not
31:30
just
31:30
giving
31:31
this
31:31
book
31:31
to
31:31
my
31:31
kids
31:31
and
31:32
my
31:32
family
31:32
members,
31:33
but
31:33
it's
31:34
to.
31:34
To
31:35
get
31:35
it
31:35
to
31:36
the
31:36
students
31:37
that
31:37
I
31:37
had
31:38
in
31:39
from
31:39
JK
31:39
to
31:40
grade
31:40
six.
31:41
I
31:41
was
31:41
in
31:41
a.
31:42
In
31:42
my.
31:42
The
31:43
school
31:43
I
31:43
taught
31:43
in
31:44
recently,
31:44
well
31:45
before
31:45
Christmas,
31:46
and
31:47
one
31:47
of
31:47
the
31:47
kids
31:47
I
31:47
taught
31:47
was
31:48
a
31:48
student
31:48
teacher
31:49
there.
31:49
And
31:50
the
31:51
stars
31:51
in
31:51
her
31:51
eyes
31:52
were
31:52
just.
31:53
They
31:53
just
31:53
warmed
31:53
my
31:54
heart.
31:54
I'm
31:54
Thinking,
31:55
wow,
31:55
wow,
31:56
what
31:57
an
31:57
impact
31:58
that
31:58
a
31:59
person
31:59
can
31:59
actually
32:00
have
32:00
in
32:00
someone's
32:01
life.
32:01
And
32:01
I've
32:02
got
32:02
a
32:02
million
32:02
stories
32:02
about
32:03
that.
32:03
But
32:04
that
32:04
was
32:05
to
32:05
me,
32:05
I
32:06
know
32:06
you
32:06
asked
32:06
the
32:06
question,
32:07
like,
32:07
what
32:07
makes
32:08
your
32:08
book
32:08
successful?
32:09
That's
32:10
it
32:10
right
32:10
there
32:11
is
32:11
sharing
32:12
your
32:12
story
32:12
and
32:13
having
32:13
kids
32:14
say,
32:14
wow,
32:14
Mrs.
32:15
App,
32:15
thank
32:15
you
32:16
so
32:16
much
32:16
for
32:16
coming.
32:16
Are
32:17
you.
32:17
When's
32:17
your
32:17
next
32:17
book
32:18
coming
32:18
out?
32:18
Or
32:19
I
32:19
can't
32:20
believe
32:20
you
32:20
actually
32:20
did
32:21
it.
32:21
Way
32:21
to
32:21
go.
32:22
And
32:22
being.
32:22
And
32:23
them
32:23
asking
32:23
me
32:24
in
32:24
those
32:24
younger
32:25
grades,
32:25
how
32:25
do
32:26
you
32:26
write
32:26
a
32:26
book?
32:26
Could
32:27
I
32:27
do
32:27
it?
32:27
And
32:28
I
32:28
always
32:28
say,
32:29
why,
32:29
of
32:29
course
32:29
you
32:30
can.
32:30
You
32:30
can
32:31
do
32:31
it
32:31
right
32:31
now.
32:32
Good
32:32
for
32:32
you.
32:33
And
32:33
it's
32:33
interesting
32:34
because
32:34
I
32:34
was
32:35
mentioning
32:35
an
32:35
author
32:36
who's
32:36
out
32:36
of
32:36
Seattle.
32:37
He.
32:38
And
32:38
that's
32:38
one
32:38
of
32:38
the
32:39
things
32:39
we
32:40
had
32:40
talked
32:40
about
32:40
was
32:41
when
32:41
I
32:41
said
32:41
to
32:41
you.
32:42
He
32:42
said,
32:42
one
32:42
and
32:43
done.
32:44
And
32:44
then
32:44
I
32:45
said
32:45
to
32:45
him,
32:46
okay,
32:46
so
32:47
explain
32:47
to
32:47
me
32:48
how
32:48
you
32:48
went
32:49
from
32:49
this
32:50
emphatic
32:51
one
32:51
and
32:51
done
32:52
to
32:52
now
32:52
you're
32:52
launching
32:53
your
32:53
fourth
32:53
book.
32:54
And
32:54
he
32:54
said
32:54
that
32:55
every
32:55
time
32:55
I
32:55
went
32:56
to
32:56
schools
32:56
and
32:57
I
32:57
read
32:57
my
32:57
book,
32:58
what
32:58
did
32:59
students
32:59
say
32:59
to
32:59
me,
33:00
oh,
33:00
Mr.
33:01
Darcy,
33:02
when
33:02
are
33:02
you
33:02
coming
33:02
out
33:03
with
33:03
your
33:03
next
33:03
book?
33:04
Yes.
33:05
And
33:05
so
33:05
definitely
33:06
very
33:06
inspirational.
33:07
And
33:08
it
33:08
sounds
33:08
like
33:08
that's
33:09
the
33:09
same
33:09
for
33:09
you.
33:10
It's
33:11
true.
33:11
I've
33:11
actually
33:11
written
33:12
a
33:12
sequel,
33:12
two
33:13
more
33:13
about
33:14
with
33:14
Icecap
33:15
in
33:15
it,
33:15
but
33:16
I'm
33:16
hanging
33:16
on
33:16
to
33:16
them
33:17
for
33:17
a
33:17
little
33:17
while.
33:17
Okay.
33:18
No,
33:18
that's
33:18
good.
33:19
We've
33:19
got
33:19
some
33:19
more
33:19
caregiving
33:20
to
33:20
do
33:20
at
33:20
the
33:21
moment,
33:21
but.
33:21
So
33:21
I
33:21
want
33:22
to
33:22
talk
33:22
about
33:22
Ice
33:23
Cap
33:23
for
33:23
a
33:23
moment.
33:24
So
33:24
let's
33:25
talk
33:25
about
33:25
character
33:26
development.
33:27
How
33:27
did
33:27
you
33:27
develop
33:28
the
33:28
main
33:28
character?
33:29
I
33:29
know
33:29
you
33:29
told
33:30
us
33:30
the
33:31
story
33:31
with
33:31
your
33:32
granddaughter
33:32
Audrey,
33:33
but
33:33
tell
33:33
us
33:33
a
33:34
little
33:34
bit
33:34
more
33:34
and
33:35
also
33:35
explain
33:36
to
33:36
us
33:37
the
33:37
significance
33:38
of
33:38
the
33:38
name.
33:39
He's
33:40
Canadian.
33:41
He
33:41
had
33:41
to
33:41
have
33:42
a
33:42
magical
33:42
hat.
33:43
So
33:43
Cap
33:44
to
33:45
Cap.
33:46
A
33:46
lot
33:46
of
33:46
people
33:46
said,
33:46
how
33:47
about
33:47
Snow
33:47
Cap?
33:48
No,
33:49
I
33:49
didn't
33:49
like
33:49
it.
33:50
How
33:50
about
33:50
Ice
33:51
Cap?
33:51
And
33:52
my
33:52
kids
33:53
are
33:53
always
33:53
drinking
33:53
ice
33:54
caps.
33:55
Not
33:55
necessarily
33:56
from
33:56
a
33:56
certain
33:57
store,
33:57
but
33:57
in
33:57
general,
33:58
they're
33:58
drinking
33:59
that.
33:59
That
33:59
is
34:00
so
34:00
funny.
34:01
And
34:01
it's
34:01
so
34:01
Canadian.
34:02
So
34:03
that's
34:03
where
34:03
his.
34:04
In
34:04
my
34:04
mind,
34:05
that's
34:05
where
34:05
his
34:05
name
34:06
came
34:06
from.
34:06
But.
34:07
And
34:07
with
34:07
Audrey,
34:08
I
34:08
had
34:08
talked
34:08
to
34:08
her
34:09
about
34:09
that.
34:09
She
34:09
liked
34:10
that
34:10
name.
34:10
So
34:10
I
34:10
said,
34:11
okay,
34:11
let's
34:11
use
34:11
that
34:12
name
34:12
in
34:13
developing
34:13
the
34:13
character.
34:14
What
34:15
I
34:15
did
34:15
with
34:16
Audrey
34:16
and
34:17
I.
34:17
What
34:17
I
34:17
did
34:17
with
34:17
all
34:18
my
34:18
students
34:18
is
34:18
you
34:19
just
34:19
get
34:19
a
34:19
big
34:19
piece
34:20
of
34:20
paper.
34:20
It
34:21
was
34:21
a
34:21
big,
34:21
messy,
34:21
ripped
34:22
piece
34:22
of
34:22
paper.
34:23
Right.
34:23
With
34:23
a
34:23
marker.
34:24
And
34:24
we
34:24
just
34:24
started
34:25
writing.
34:25
So
34:26
what
34:26
does
34:26
he
34:26
look
34:26
like?
34:27
What
34:27
does
34:27
he
34:28
do?
34:28
What
34:28
are
34:28
his
34:29
interests?
34:29
Is
34:30
he
34:30
funny?
34:30
What
34:31
does
34:31
he
34:31
ride?
34:31
What
34:32
does
34:32
he
34:32
have
34:32
on
34:32
him?
34:33
So
34:33
we.
34:34
We
34:34
did
34:35
all
34:35
of
34:35
that
34:35
kind
34:36
of
34:36
physical,
34:36
superficial
34:37
kind
34:37
of
34:38
stuff,
34:38
and
34:38
then
34:39
I
34:39
went
34:39
to
34:39
his
34:39
personality.
34:40
What
34:40
do
34:40
we
34:40
want
34:41
him
34:41
to
34:41
be
34:41
like?
34:41
He
34:42
should
34:42
be
34:42
really
34:42
cool.
34:43
Snowmen
34:43
are
34:43
cool,
34:44
huh?
34:44
But,
34:45
yeah,
34:45
he's
34:45
really
34:45
cool.
34:46
So
34:46
what
34:46
is
34:46
he
34:46
gonna.
34:47
He's
34:47
gonna
34:47
ride
34:47
a
34:47
snowboard.
34:48
He's
34:49
gonna
34:49
have
34:49
a
34:49
cell
34:49
phone.
34:50
He's
34:50
a
34:50
cool
34:50
snow
34:51
moment.
34:51
Then
34:52
when
34:52
I
34:52
got
34:52
away
34:52
from
34:53
Audrey,
34:53
I'm
34:53
thinking
34:54
of,
34:54
okay,
34:54
who
34:55
are
34:55
the
34:55
coolest
34:55
people
34:56
that
34:56
I
34:56
know?
34:57
I
34:57
know
34:57
a
34:57
lot
34:57
of
34:57
cool
34:58
people.
34:59
I
34:59
did
34:59
write
34:59
some
35:00
of
35:00
this
35:00
down
35:00
just
35:00
so
35:00
I
35:00
could
35:01
remember
35:01
or
35:02
have
35:02
it
35:02
at
35:02
my
35:03
fingertip.
35:04
So
35:04
one
35:04
of
35:04
the
35:04
coolest
35:05
snowboarders
35:05
I
35:05
know,
35:06
his
35:06
name
35:06
is
35:06
Thomas
35:06
Whitaker.
35:07
He
35:07
is
35:07
my
35:08
cousin's
35:08
son.
35:09
He's
35:09
a
35:09
snowboarder.
35:10
He's.
35:10
He's
35:10
a
35:10
boarder.
35:11
He.
35:12
He
35:12
is
35:12
sponsored
35:13
by
35:13
Salomon
35:14
in.
35:14
In
35:15
B.C.
35:16
Yeah.
35:16
And
35:17
he
35:17
goes
35:17
all
35:17
over
35:17
the
35:17
place.
35:18
I've
35:18
got.
35:18
My
35:18
ski
35:18
boots
35:19
are
35:19
Salomon's.
35:20
Okay.
35:21
So
35:21
he's
35:22
a
35:22
real
35:22
snow.
35:22
And
35:22
I
35:22
have
35:23
a
35:23
big
35:23
picture
35:23
of
35:24
him
35:24
with
35:24
his
35:25
huge
35:25
snowboard.
35:26
And
35:26
I
35:27
do.
35:27
I
35:27
take
35:27
that
35:27
into
35:28
schools
35:28
all
35:28
the
35:28
time.
35:29
In
35:29
his
35:29
interviews,
35:30
he's
35:30
been
35:30
dubbed
35:30
the
35:31
nicest
35:31
snowboard
35:32
in.
35:32
In
35:33
the
35:33
business.
35:33
Okay,
35:34
terrific.
35:34
He's
35:34
a
35:34
really
35:35
nice
35:35
kid.
35:35
The
35:36
rock
35:36
star
35:36
portion
35:37
of
35:37
Ice
35:37
Cap
35:38
came
35:38
from
35:39
my
35:39
nephews,
35:40
Daniel
35:40
and
35:41
Alexander,
35:42
and
35:43
they
35:43
have
35:43
a
35:43
rock
35:43
group
35:44
called
35:44
Brandy
35:45
Alexander.
35:45
So
35:46
not
35:46
all
35:46
kids
35:47
love
35:47
sledding,
35:48
snowboarding,
35:49
ice
35:49
hockey,
35:50
and
35:50
playing
35:51
in
35:51
the
35:51
snow.
35:51
But
35:52
there
35:52
are
35:52
a
35:52
lot
35:52
of
35:52
kids
35:52
who
35:53
like
35:53
music.
35:53
So
35:53
I
35:54
thought
35:54
he
35:54
has
35:55
to
35:55
be
35:56
connecting
35:56
with
35:57
all
35:57
kinds
35:57
of
35:57
kids,
35:58
all
35:58
different
35:58
interests.
35:59
So
36:00
that's
36:00
where
36:00
my
36:00
rock
36:00
star
36:01
came
36:01
from.
36:02
And
36:02
they're
36:02
also
36:02
super
36:02
cool.
36:03
Very
36:03
cool
36:03
with
36:03
the
36:03
red
36:04
guitar.
36:05
Yes.
36:06
And
36:06
a
36:06
lot
36:06
of
36:07
the
36:07
activities
36:07
that
36:08
he
36:08
did,
36:08
the
36:08
snowboarding,
36:09
sledding,
36:10
the
36:11
everything
36:12
building
36:12
snow
36:13
sculptures,
36:13
that
36:14
all
36:14
came
36:14
from
36:15
what
36:15
I
36:15
tell
36:15
my
36:15
students.
36:16
My
36:16
imaginary
36:17
backpack.
36:18
Okay.
36:18
And
36:18
so
36:18
when
36:18
I'm
36:19
building
36:19
any
36:19
character,
36:20
it
36:21
has
36:21
to
36:21
come
36:21
from
36:22
my
36:22
imaginary
36:23
backpack.
36:23
And
36:24
it's
36:24
not
36:24
just
36:24
full
36:25
of
36:25
imaginary
36:26
things,
36:26
it's
36:27
my
36:27
what?
36:28
It's
36:28
like
36:28
a
36:28
toolkit
36:29
that
36:29
I
36:30
throw
36:30
everything
36:30
into
36:31
so
36:31
I
36:31
can
36:31
pull
36:31
it
36:32
out
36:32
later.
36:32
Good
36:32
for
36:33
you.
36:33
In
36:33
my
36:33
backpack,
36:34
I
36:34
tell
36:34
kids,
36:35
I
36:35
put
36:35
my
36:36
knowledge,
36:37
my.
36:37
My
36:38
everyday,
36:38
longtime
36:39
knowledge,
36:39
all
36:40
of
36:40
my
36:40
experiences,
36:41
travel,
36:42
everyday
36:43
experiences,
36:44
and
36:44
my.
36:45
All
36:45
my
36:46
observations
36:46
of
36:47
animals,
36:47
people,
36:48
landscape,
36:49
everything.
36:49
Everything,
36:50
food,
36:51
everything.
36:52
And
36:52
I
36:52
tell
36:53
them,
36:53
if
36:54
you
36:54
can
36:55
put
36:55
lots
36:55
and
36:56
lots
36:56
of
36:56
things
36:56
in
36:56
your
36:57
imaginary
36:57
backpack,
36:58
that's
36:59
where
36:59
the
36:59
details
37:00
from
37:00
your
37:00
story
37:00
will
37:01
come
37:01
from.
37:02
Imagine.
37:02
Okay.
37:03
What
37:03
animal
37:03
should
37:04
I
37:04
choose?
37:04
I've
37:04
got
37:04
a
37:04
fox,
37:05
and
37:06
he's
37:06
from
37:07
my
37:08
forest
37:08
in
37:08
the
37:08
back
37:09
of
37:09
my
37:09
place
37:09
right
37:09
now.
37:10
Right.
37:10
Same
37:11
with
37:11
the
37:11
hares.
37:12
The
37:12
hawk,
37:13
he's
37:13
in
37:13
the
37:13
story,
37:13
too,
37:14
and
37:14
he's
37:15
a
37:15
regular.
37:16
Or
37:16
in
37:16
the.
37:17
Going
37:17
in
37:17
the
37:17
fields.
37:18
All
37:18
my
37:18
life,
37:19
every
37:19
piece
37:20
of
37:20
flora,
37:21
fauna,
37:21
every
37:22
little
37:22
piece
37:22
of
37:22
that
37:23
story,
37:23
down
37:24
to
37:24
the
37:24
corn
37:24
husk
37:25
dolls,
37:26
came
37:26
from
37:27
me.
37:28
And
37:28
I
37:28
tried
37:29
to
37:29
put
37:30
it
37:30
in.
37:30
I
37:30
want
37:30
to
37:30
tell
37:30
you
37:31
a
37:31
little
37:31
bit
37:31
about
37:31
the
37:31
corn
37:32
husk
37:32
dolls
37:32
if
37:32
I
37:32
can.
37:33
Absolutely.
37:34
When
37:34
I
37:34
was
37:35
a
37:35
little
37:35
girl,
37:35
I'm
37:36
a
37:36
farmer,
37:36
and
37:36
I
37:37
grew
37:37
up
37:37
on
37:37
a
37:37
farm.
37:38
Both
37:38
field
37:39
and
37:39
greenhouse
37:40
operations.
37:41
We
37:42
had
37:42
corn.
37:42
And
37:43
my
37:43
mom
37:43
taught
37:44
me
37:44
how
37:44
to
37:44
make
37:44
corn
37:45
husk
37:45
dolls.
37:46
And
37:46
she.
37:47
When
37:47
she
37:48
was
37:48
about
37:48
10,
37:49
had
37:50
a
37:50
neighbor
37:50
who
37:50
was
37:51
a
37:51
First
37:51
nations
37:52
from
37:52
one
37:52
from
37:52
the
37:52
Caldwells.
37:53
Okay.
37:54
Who
37:54
had.
37:55
Were
37:55
living
37:55
in
37:56
a
37:56
bush
37:56
with
37:57
a.
37:57
With
37:57
the
37:57
owner's
37:58
permission.
37:58
And
37:59
he
37:59
came
37:59
to
37:59
their
37:59
house
38:00
to
38:00
play
38:00
every
38:00
day,
38:01
and
38:02
he
38:02
taught
38:03
her
38:03
how
38:03
to
38:03
make
38:04
corn
38:04
husk
38:04
dolls.
38:05
And
38:05
Amos
38:06
Thomas
38:06
was
38:06
his
38:06
name.
38:07
Wow.
38:08
He's
38:08
no
38:08
longer
38:08
with
38:08
us,
38:09
but
38:09
he
38:09
was
38:09
a
38:09
phenomenal
38:10
guy.
38:11
He
38:11
was
38:11
a
38:11
First
38:11
nations
38:12
guy.
38:12
Taught
38:13
her
38:13
how
38:13
to
38:14
make
38:15
a.
38:16
I
38:16
think
38:16
it
38:16
was
38:16
a
38:17
violin
38:17
or
38:17
a
38:17
fiddle
38:18
or
38:18
something
38:18
out
38:18
of
38:18
Cornhouse.
38:19
She
38:19
promised
38:19
me
38:19
to
38:20
teach
38:20
me
38:20
this
38:20
summer,
38:21
but
38:21
she's
38:22
94
38:22
and
38:22
a
38:22
half,
38:23
so
38:23
I'm
38:23
really
38:23
hoping
38:24
that
38:24
we
38:24
get
38:24
that
38:24
chance.
38:25
Excellent.
38:26
When
38:26
I
38:26
was
38:26
doing
38:27
this,
38:27
I
38:27
ended
38:27
up
38:28
crafting
38:28
a
38:29
whole
38:29
bunch
38:29
of
38:29
them
38:30
and
38:30
selling
38:30
them
38:31
at
38:31
an
38:31
art
38:31
society
38:32
because.
38:32
And
38:32
they
38:33
loved
38:33
them.
38:33
I
38:33
sold
38:33
many
38:34
of
38:34
them.
38:35
And
38:35
my
38:35
granddaughter,
38:36
what
38:36
does
38:37
she
38:37
want
38:37
for
38:37
Christmas?
38:38
She
38:39
wants
38:40
a
38:40
corn
38:40
husk
38:41
doll.
38:41
Wow.
38:41
So
38:41
I
38:42
made
38:42
a
38:42
very
38:42
special
38:43
one
38:43
for
38:43
her.
38:44
Good
38:44
for
38:44
you.
38:45
And
38:45
it
38:45
was
38:46
really
38:47
the
38:47
piece
38:47
de
38:48
resistance
38:48
of
38:49
my
38:49
story,
38:49
because
38:50
in
38:50
the
38:51
story,
38:51
the
38:51
greatest
38:52
gift
38:53
of
38:53
all
38:53
that
38:54
you
38:54
can
38:54
give
38:54
to
38:54
other
38:54
people
38:55
is
38:55
from
38:55
the
38:55
heart
38:56
or
38:56
their
38:56
gifts
38:57
of
38:57
the
38:57
heart.
38:57
Yes.
38:58
They
38:58
may
38:58
not
38:58
be
38:59
off
38:59
of
38:59
Amazon,
39:00
because
39:00
he
39:00
goes
39:00
on
39:01
to
39:01
his
39:01
phone
39:01
and
39:02
lots
39:02
of
39:02
great
39:03
ideas
39:03
to
39:03
leave
39:04
the
39:04
town.
39:04
Children's
39:05
a
39:05
gift
39:05
from
39:05
Amazon.
39:06
But
39:06
he
39:07
chooses
39:07
things
39:07
from
39:08
nature
39:08
and
39:08
has
39:09
a
39:09
heart
39:09
to
39:09
give.
39:10
And
39:10
so
39:11
when
39:11
she
39:11
asked
39:11
me
39:11
for
39:12
a
39:12
corn
39:12
husk
39:12
doll,
39:13
I
39:13
thought,
39:14
wow,
39:14
that
39:15
was
39:15
the
39:15
most
39:15
meaning.
39:15
She
39:16
has
39:16
it
39:16
in
39:16
her
39:16
room.
39:17
It's
39:18
so
39:18
meaningful
39:19
to
39:19
her.
39:19
And,
39:19
you
39:20
know,
39:20
it's
39:20
interesting
39:20
you
39:21
should
39:21
say
39:21
that
39:21
because.
39:23
And
39:23
again,
39:23
this
39:24
is
39:24
for
39:24
the.
39:25
For
39:25
aspiring
39:26
authors,
39:26
is
39:27
that
39:28
myself
39:28
and
39:28
my
39:28
grandchildren
39:29
have
39:29
written
39:30
38
39:31
stories
39:31
in
39:32
our
39:32
Adventures
39:32
of
39:32
Caboose
39:33
the
39:33
Rocky
39:33
Mountain.
39:34
Oh,
39:34
wow.
39:34
That's
39:34
amazing.
39:35
And
39:36
what
39:36
we've
39:36
done
39:36
is
39:37
because
39:37
they
39:37
grow
39:38
very
39:38
quickly
39:38
as
39:39
children
39:40
and
39:40
grandchildren.
39:41
We've
39:41
been
39:41
recording.
39:42
We've
39:42
recorded
39:43
about
39:43
half
39:44
the
39:44
stories
39:44
into
39:45
audiobooks
39:46
because
39:47
to
39:47
actually
39:48
publish
39:49
every
39:49
story
39:50
you'd
39:50
have.
39:51
We'd
39:51
have
39:51
to
39:51
be
39:51
multimillionaires
39:52
to.
39:53
To
39:53
get.
39:54
That's
39:54
right,
39:55
bring
39:55
them
39:55
all
39:55
to
39:55
market.
39:56
The
39:56
first
39:56
thing
39:57
we
39:57
do
39:57
is
39:57
we've
39:57
captured
39:58
them
39:58
in
39:58
an
39:58
audio
39:59
book
39:59
format.
40:00
But
40:01
the
40:01
coming
40:02
back
40:02
to
40:02
you,
40:02
what
40:03
you
40:03
said
40:03
earlier
40:04
is
40:05
every
40:05
single
40:06
story
40:07
in
40:07
those
40:07
38
40:08
stories
40:09
is
40:09
all
40:10
based
40:10
on
40:10
a
40:11
snippet
40:12
of
40:12
a
40:13
true
40:13
story,
40:13
an
40:14
adventure
40:14
that
40:15
we
40:15
had
40:15
together.
40:16
Yeah.
40:16
I'm
40:17
trying
40:17
to
40:17
emphasize
40:17
that
40:18
for
40:18
aspiring
40:19
authors
40:19
is
40:20
understand
40:20
that
40:21
just
40:21
let
40:21
your
40:22
imagination
40:23
go
40:24
wild
40:24
and
40:25
grab
40:25
onto
40:26
things
40:26
that
40:26
happen
40:26
to
40:27
you
40:27
and
40:27
just
40:28
take
40:28
them
40:28
and
40:28
let
40:28
them
40:29
grow.
40:30
And
40:30
that's
40:31
what
40:31
it
40:31
sounds
40:31
like
40:32
you've
40:32
done.
40:32
I've
40:33
just
40:33
followed
40:33
my
40:34
own
40:34
lessons
40:34
that
40:34
I've
40:35
been
40:35
teaching
40:35
for
40:36
decades
40:36
to
40:36
children.
40:37
When
40:38
you
40:38
write
40:39
with.
40:40
On
40:40
based
40:40
on
40:40
your
40:41
own
40:41
experiences,
40:42
it's
40:42
authentic
40:43
and
40:45
you
40:45
can't.
40:45
There's
40:46
nothing
40:46
better
40:47
than
40:47
being
40:47
authentic
40:48
in
40:48
a
40:48
few
40:49
words.
40:49
Tell
40:50
us
40:50
the
40:50
theme
40:50
of
40:50
your
40:51
book.
40:51
The
40:52
theme
40:52
of
40:52
my
40:52
book
40:53
is
40:54
really
40:54
a.
40:55
It's
40:55
a
40:55
theme
40:55
of
40:56
kindness
40:57
and
40:58
connection.
40:59
So
41:00
based
41:01
on
41:01
this
41:01
character
41:02
who's
41:02
all
41:02
tech
41:03
savvy,
41:04
the
41:04
underlying
41:05
message
41:05
is
41:06
when
41:06
you
41:07
put
41:07
the
41:08
technology
41:09
down,
41:10
you
41:10
open
41:10
the
41:11
doors
41:11
to
41:11
a
41:11
whole
41:12
lot
41:12
of
41:13
experience
41:13
and
41:14
real
41:15
life
41:15
connection
41:15
with
41:16
people
41:16
that
41:16
you
41:17
love,
41:17
your
41:18
friends,
41:18
your
41:18
family,
41:18
and
41:19
so
41:19
forth.
41:20
So
41:20
would
41:20
that
41:20
also
41:21
be
41:21
the
41:21
central
41:21
teaching
41:22
behind
41:22
this,
41:23
or
41:23
is
41:24
it
41:24
more?
41:26
There's
41:26
a
41:26
lot.
41:26
There's
41:27
a
41:27
lot
41:27
more
41:27
in
41:28
it.
41:28
But
41:29
when
41:29
I
41:29
asked
41:29
the
41:30
kids,
41:30
what
41:31
did
41:31
you
41:31
learn
41:31
about
41:32
technology
41:32
in
41:33
this
41:33
story?
41:33
Oh,
41:34
you
41:34
got
41:34
to
41:34
get
41:34
your
41:34
parents
41:35
permission
41:35
if
41:35
you
41:36
want
41:36
to
41:36
text
41:36
somebody.
41:36
I
41:37
said,
41:37
yeah,
41:37
that's
41:37
right,
41:38
you
41:38
do.
41:39
That's
41:39
the
41:40
one
41:40
that.
41:40
Kids
41:41
that
41:42
haven't
41:43
developed
41:43
their
41:43
inference
41:44
skills.
41:45
Okay.
41:46
Yep.
41:46
That's
41:47
when
41:47
the
41:47
teacher
41:47
and
41:48
I
41:48
draw
41:49
them
41:49
into
41:50
that
41:51
piece
41:51
of
41:51
the.
41:52
That
41:52
lesson
41:52
of
41:52
the
41:53
story
41:54
that
41:54
you
41:55
need
41:55
to
41:55
put
41:56
technology
41:56
down
41:58
in
41:58
order
41:58
to
41:59
experience
41:59
real
42:00
life.
42:00
Because
42:01
you
42:01
and
42:02
I
42:02
on
42:02
the
42:02
screen.
42:02
Screen,
42:03
to
42:03
an
42:03
extent,
42:04
is
42:04
real
42:04
life,
42:05
but
42:05
it's
42:05
not
42:06
like
42:06
meeting
42:06
you
42:06
and
42:06
shaking
42:07
your
42:07
hand
42:07
and
42:08
going
42:08
out
42:08
and
42:09
taking
42:09
a
42:09
walk
42:09
in
42:10
the
42:10
woods.
42:10
Right?
42:11
Absolutely.
42:12
Quite
42:12
interesting.
42:13
So
42:14
you
42:14
said
42:14
you
42:14
had
42:15
more
42:15
stories
42:15
in
42:16
you,
42:16
and
42:16
I
42:16
just
42:16
want
42:16
to
42:17
jump
42:17
into
42:17
your
42:17
writing
42:18
process,
42:19
share
42:19
some
42:19
insights
42:20
into
42:21
your
42:21
development
42:22
and
42:22
your
42:22
writing
42:23
process
42:23
of
42:23
your
42:24
book.
42:24
Tell
42:25
us
42:25
how
42:25
that
42:25
all
42:25
developed
42:26
and
42:26
how
42:26
did
42:27
you
42:27
get
42:27
the
42:27
words
42:28
down
42:28
to
42:28
paper?
42:29
I'm
42:29
an
42:29
old
42:30
poet,
42:30
as
42:31
you
42:31
can
42:31
know
42:31
that
42:32
my
42:32
book
42:32
is
42:32
rhymes,
42:33
and
42:34
I
42:34
always
42:35
thought
42:35
it
42:35
was
42:35
kids
42:36
love
42:36
rhyme.
42:36
And
42:37
it's.
42:37
To
42:37
me,
42:37
it
42:37
was
42:37
very
42:38
important
42:38
to
42:38
have
42:38
a
42:39
book
42:39
that
42:39
they
42:39
could
42:39
predict.
42:40
So
42:40
when
42:41
they're
42:41
either
42:41
reading
42:42
along
42:42
or
42:43
it's
42:43
being
42:43
read
42:43
aloud
42:43
to
42:44
them,
42:44
you
42:44
can
42:44
stop
42:44
and
42:45
they
42:45
can
42:45
predict
42:46
the
42:46
next
42:46
word.
42:47
Writing
42:47
and
42:48
rhyme
42:48
for
42:49
this
42:49
book
42:50
was
42:50
very
42:50
important
42:51
to
42:51
me
42:51
because
42:52
for
42:52
my
42:52
granddaughter,
42:54
she
42:55
needed
42:55
to
42:55
be
42:55
able
42:56
to
42:56
have
42:56
success
42:57
in
42:57
reading.
42:57
And
42:58
success
42:58
in
42:58
reading
42:59
is
42:59
as
43:00
teachers
43:00
are
43:00
all
43:01
about
43:01
that.
43:02
So
43:02
that
43:02
was.
43:02
That
43:02
kind
43:03
of
43:03
was
43:03
the.
43:04
The
43:04
motivation
43:05
behind
43:05
that
43:06
part
43:06
of
43:06
my
43:06
writing.
43:07
I'll
43:07
start
43:07
by
43:08
saying
43:08
it
43:08
took
43:09
probably
43:10
six
43:10
or
43:10
seven
43:11
months
43:11
for
43:11
me
43:11
to
43:12
polish
43:12
this
43:12
story.
43:13
Besides
43:14
your
43:14
own
43:14
personal
43:14
experience,
43:16
did
43:16
you
43:16
conduct
43:17
any
43:17
additional
43:18
research
43:19
into
43:20
developing
43:21
your
43:21
story?
43:21
And
43:21
if
43:22
you
43:22
did,
43:22
why
43:22
did
43:22
you
43:22
do
43:23
that?
43:23
My
43:24
research,
43:25
yes.
43:26
So
43:27
my
43:27
research
43:28
was
43:29
really
43:29
about
43:30
the
43:30
content,
43:31
the
43:31
visual
43:32
content
43:32
of
43:32
my
43:32
story.
43:33
So
43:34
I
43:34
started
43:35
Googling
43:35
because
43:36
I
43:36
had
43:36
to
43:37
for
43:38
my
43:39
illustrator.
43:40
I
43:40
wanted
43:40
it
43:40
to
43:41
be
43:41
extremely
43:41
authentic.
43:42
I
43:43
could
43:43
have
43:43
gone
43:43
a
43:44
little
43:44
further
43:44
in
43:45
it
43:45
because
43:46
there
43:46
are
43:46
parts
43:46
where
43:47
she.
43:47
What
43:47
she
43:47
illustrated
43:48
that.
43:48
I
43:48
went,
43:49
oh,
43:49
okay.
43:50
For
43:51
an
43:51
I
43:51
bring
43:52
this
43:52
up
43:52
with
43:52
my
43:52
kids.
43:53
It
43:53
actually
43:54
turned
43:54
out
43:54
to
43:54
be
43:55
a
43:55
good
43:55
thing.
43:56
So
43:56
when
43:56
I
43:56
said
43:57
he,
43:57
he
43:57
put
43:58
bags
43:58
full
43:58
of
43:59
beans,
44:00
she
44:00
used
44:01
what
44:01
looked
44:01
like
44:01
lima
44:02
beans
44:02
around
44:02
my
44:03
tree.
44:03
And
44:04
I
44:04
thought
44:04
that's
44:05
about
44:05
the
44:05
least
44:05
authentic
44:06
bean
44:06
you
44:06
could
44:06
have
44:07
for
44:07
a
44:07
tree
44:08
out
44:08
in
44:08
British
44:09
Columbia.
44:09
I
44:10
was
44:10
thinking
44:10
soybeans.
44:11
At
44:11
least
44:11
that's
44:11
a
44:11
crop
44:12
grown
44:12
in
44:12
Canada.
44:13
But
44:13
when
44:13
I
44:14
asked
44:14
children
44:15
what
44:16
kind
44:16
of
44:16
beans
44:17
they
44:17
would
44:17
put
44:18
on
44:18
their
44:19
tree
44:19
if
44:19
they
44:20
were
44:20
ice
44:20
cap,
44:20
I
44:21
got
44:21
the
44:21
most
44:21
fascinating
44:22
answers.
44:23
The
44:24
best
44:24
one
44:24
was
44:24
coffee
44:25
beans
44:25
because
44:25
those
44:26
children
44:26
were
44:26
from
44:27
Jamaica.
44:27
In
44:28
any
44:28
case,
44:28
the
44:29
other
44:29
thing,
44:29
one
44:29
of
44:30
the
44:30
details
44:30
I
44:31
looked
44:31
into
44:32
was
44:32
the
44:32
traits
44:33
that
44:33
he
44:33
had.
44:34
I
44:34
needed
44:34
to
44:34
get
44:35
maple
44:36
sugar
44:36
somehow
44:37
in
44:37
there
44:38
because
44:38
that's
44:38
very
44:38
Canadian.
44:39
I
44:39
have
44:39
a
44:40
friend
44:40
Raelle,
44:41
who
44:41
has
44:41
a
44:41
sugar
44:41
bush
44:42
in
44:42
or
44:43
his
44:43
daughter
44:43
does
44:44
in
44:44
Quebec.
44:45
And
44:45
so
44:45
I'm
44:46
looking
44:46
okay.
44:46
Like
44:47
I
44:47
don't
44:47
go
44:47
out
44:47
and
44:47
buy
44:48
maple
44:48
sugary
44:49
sticks,
44:49
but
44:49
I
44:49
needed
44:50
to
44:50
see
44:50
if
44:50
they
44:50
actually
44:51
were
44:51
existed.
44:52
And
44:52
long
44:52
people
44:53
are
44:53
in
44:53
Walmart.
44:54
So
44:55
you
44:55
can
44:55
use
44:55
this
44:56
just
44:57
fine
44:57
tuning
44:58
things.
44:58
Good
44:59
for
44:59
you.
44:59
That's
44:59
where
44:59
my.
45:01
And
45:01
of
45:01
course
45:01
we
45:02
live
45:02
in
45:02
a
45:03
Leamington
45:03
is
45:03
a.
45:03
Is
45:04
quite
45:04
a
45:04
melting
45:04
pot.
45:05
We
45:05
have
45:05
many
45:05
different
45:06
cultures
45:07
in
45:07
our
45:07
little
45:08
town.
45:08
It
45:08
used
45:08
to
45:08
be
45:08
our
45:09
little
45:09
town
45:09
was
45:10
unique
45:10
in
45:10
that
45:10
way,
45:10
but
45:11
now
45:11
every
45:11
town
45:12
is
45:12
unique
45:12
in
45:12
that
45:13
way.
45:14
So
45:14
when
45:15
I
45:15
was,
45:15
yeah,
45:15
welcome
45:16
to
45:16
Canada.
45:17
Yeah,
45:17
it's
45:17
right
45:17
across
45:18
Canada.
45:18
When
45:19
I
45:19
was
45:19
sending
45:19
pictures
45:20
to
45:20
the
45:20
illustrator,
45:21
I
45:21
was
45:21
saying,
45:22
no,
45:22
like
45:23
you
45:23
hadn't.
45:23
And
45:23
she
45:23
was
45:24
sending
45:24
me
45:24
sketches
45:24
back.
45:25
I
45:25
need
45:25
to
45:26
have
45:26
children
45:27
of
45:27
almost
45:27
every
45:28
culture
45:28
in
45:29
the
45:29
story.
45:30
Almost
45:31
every
45:31
culture
45:31
in
45:32
this
45:32
story
45:32
needs
45:33
those.
45:33
Children
45:33
need
45:33
to
45:33
see
45:34
themselves
45:34
in
45:34
that
45:35
story.
45:35
So
45:37
those
45:37
kinds
45:37
of
45:38
things
45:38
and
45:39
that.
45:39
You
45:39
know
45:39
what's
45:40
nice?
45:40
It's
45:41
nice.
45:41
We're
45:41
making
45:42
a.
45:43
Just
45:43
a
45:43
reflection
45:44
of
45:45
reality
45:46
and
45:47
that
45:47
I
45:47
think
45:47
that's
45:48
important
45:48
as
45:48
a.
45:49
Even
45:49
as
45:49
a
45:50
children's
45:50
book
45:50
author,
45:51
because
45:51
even
45:51
for
45:52
myself,
45:53
a
45:53
lot
45:53
of
45:53
our
45:54
book
45:54
is.
45:54
Has
45:55
animals
45:56
and
45:56
humans
45:57
living
45:58
together.
45:58
I
45:59
understand
45:59
exactly
46:00
what
46:00
you're
46:00
talking
46:00
about.
46:01
I
46:01
think
46:01
as
46:01
children's
46:02
book
46:02
authors,
46:02
I
46:03
don't
46:03
want
46:03
to
46:03
say
46:03
subtly
46:04
because
46:04
it's.
46:05
They're
46:05
in
46:05
your
46:05
illustrations,
46:06
but
46:07
to
46:07
have
46:08
a
46:08
conscious
46:08
awareness
46:09
of
46:09
making
46:10
today's
46:11
world
46:12
a
46:12
reflection
46:13
through
46:13
your
46:13
children's
46:14
book.
46:14
That's
46:15
correct.
46:15
Yeah.
46:16
Now
46:16
tell
46:16
us.
46:17
You
46:17
know
46:17
what
46:17
we.
46:18
You
46:18
talked
46:18
about
46:18
this
46:19
a
46:19
little
46:19
bit,
46:19
and
46:20
I
46:20
just
46:20
want
46:20
to
46:21
delve
46:21
into
46:22
it
46:22
a
46:22
little
46:22
bit
46:22
more.
46:23
At
46:23
the
46:23
end
46:23
of
46:24
your
46:24
book,
46:24
you
46:24
encourage
46:25
children
46:25
to
46:26
write
46:26
their
46:26
own
46:26
stories.
46:27
And
46:28
so
46:28
it's
46:28
like
46:29
an
46:29
extension
46:30
as
46:30
you
46:30
tell
46:30
your
46:31
story,
46:31
it's
46:32
an
46:32
extension
46:32
of
46:32
your
46:33
story.
46:33
I
46:33
know
46:33
you
46:34
mentioned
46:34
some.
46:35
Another
46:36
author
46:36
inspires
46:37
you,
46:37
but
46:38
tell
46:38
us
46:38
a
46:38
little
46:38
bit
46:39
more
46:39
about
46:40
how
46:40
is
46:40
that
46:40
working
46:41
for
46:41
you
46:41
now
46:42
that
46:42
you've
46:42
actually
46:43
got
46:43
your
46:43
book
46:43
out
46:44
into
46:44
the
46:44
world?
46:45
Have
46:45
you
46:45
had
46:45
much,
46:46
many
46:46
children
46:47
reach
46:47
out
46:47
to
46:47
you
46:48
and
46:48
tell
46:48
their
46:48
story
46:49
or
46:49
how
46:49
are
46:49
you
46:49
working
46:50
with
46:50
that?
46:51
That
46:51
is
46:51
something
46:52
that
46:53
is
46:53
in
46:53
progress.
46:54
So
46:54
when
46:55
I
46:55
go
46:55
into
46:55
schools,
46:56
teachers
46:57
will
46:57
send
46:57
me
46:58
back
46:58
journals
46:59
that
46:59
the
46:59
kids
47:00
have
47:00
written
47:01
about
47:01
our
47:02
time.
47:02
Oh,
47:03
nice.
47:03
Or
47:03
I've
47:03
been
47:04
the
47:04
springboard
47:05
for
47:05
the
47:06
narrative,
47:07
for
47:07
the
47:07
narrative
47:08
unit,
47:08
identifying
47:09
all
47:09
the
47:10
parts
47:10
of
47:10
my
47:10
story
47:10
that
47:11
are
47:11
a
47:11
narrative
47:11
in
47:12
it.
47:12
And
47:12
I.
47:13
What
47:13
I'm
47:13
talking
47:14
to
47:14
you
47:14
about
47:14
is
47:15
what
47:15
I
47:15
also
47:16
talk
47:16
to
47:16
them
47:16
about.
47:17
I
47:17
guess
47:17
it's.
47:18
I'll
47:18
say
47:18
it's
47:19
in
47:19
progress.
47:20
So
47:21
the
47:21
way
47:22
kids
47:22
tell
47:22
stories
47:23
can.
47:23
Doesn't
47:24
have
47:24
to
47:24
always
47:24
be
47:25
in
47:25
a
47:26
written
47:27
form.
47:27
Okay.
47:28
In
47:28
every
47:28
classroom
47:29
I've
47:29
been
47:29
to,
47:29
I've
47:30
left
47:30
little
47:30
mini
47:31
snowboards,
47:32
just
47:32
white
47:32
ones.
47:33
And
47:34
with
47:34
my
47:35
cousin's
47:35
son,
47:35
Thomas,
47:36
his
47:36
Salomon
47:37
snowboard
47:37
is
47:38
incredible.
47:38
It
47:38
has
47:38
all
47:39
these
47:39
illustrations
47:39
on
47:40
it.
47:40
And
47:40
I
47:41
challenge
47:41
them
47:42
to
47:42
illustrate
47:43
their
47:44
snowboard
47:45
so
47:45
that
47:45
it
47:46
tells
47:46
something
47:46
about
47:47
their
47:47
own
47:47
character.
47:48
Okay.
47:49
Fantastic.
47:49
Those
47:50
have
47:50
been
47:51
clustered
47:51
all
47:51
over
47:52
bulletin
47:52
boards
47:53
all
47:53
over
47:53
the
47:54
place.
47:54
My
47:54
granddaughter
47:55
does
47:55
it
47:55
constantly.
47:56
She's
47:56
always
47:57
doing
47:57
it.
47:58
That
47:58
is
47:58
one
47:59
way
47:59
in
47:59
which
48:00
I've
48:01
seen
48:01
that
48:01
come
48:01
to
48:01
life.
48:02
So
48:02
you
48:02
can
48:02
see
48:03
why
48:03
I'm
48:03
asking
48:03
this
48:04
question
48:04
is
48:04
it's
48:05
incredible.
48:05
What,
48:06
how
48:07
it
48:07
manifests
48:08
into
48:08
something
48:08
even
48:09
bigger
48:09
than
48:09
you
48:09
thought.
48:10
That's
48:11
right.
48:11
So
48:11
when
48:11
I
48:12
And
48:12
when
48:12
I
48:12
go
48:12
into
48:13
classrooms,
48:13
I
48:14
take
48:14
all
48:14
the
48:14
objects
48:15
that
48:15
are
48:15
real
48:16
with
48:17
me.
48:17
The
48:18
thistle
48:18
down,
48:19
the
48:19
beans,
48:20
the
48:21
berries,
48:22
the.
48:23
Everything
48:23
I
48:24
can
48:24
think
48:24
of
48:24
that
48:24
are.
48:24
That's
48:25
in
48:25
that
48:25
story.
48:25
I
48:25
take
48:25
it
48:26
with
48:26
me,
48:26
and
48:26
I
48:26
talk
48:27
about.
48:27
These
48:27
are
48:27
the
48:28
objects
48:28
that
48:28
I
48:28
pulled
48:29
from.
48:29
What
48:29
do
48:29
you
48:29
think?
48:29
I'm
48:29
gonna
48:30
let
48:30
them
48:30
feel
48:30
them
48:30
and
48:31
touch
48:31
them.
48:31
And
48:32
the
48:32
kids
48:32
in
48:32
grade
48:32
three
48:33
are
48:34
having
48:34
this
48:34
huge
48:35
aha.
48:35
Moment
48:36
going,
48:36
oh,
48:36
my
48:37
goodness.
48:37
This
48:37
is
48:38
like.
48:38
Like
48:38
the
48:39
first
48:39
nations
48:40
people
48:40
in
48:40
the
48:40
east,
48:41
on
48:41
the
48:41
east
48:41
coast,
48:41
they
48:42
had
48:42
these
48:42
corn
48:42
hustles,
48:43
and
48:43
the
48:43
pioneers
48:43
took
48:43
them
48:44
all
48:44
across
48:44
Canada.
48:45
Right.
48:45
It's
48:45
been
48:45
fun
48:46
that
48:46
way.
48:47
Wow.
48:47
So
48:48
I
48:48
want
48:48
to
48:48
talk
48:48
to
48:48
you
48:48
about
48:49
your
48:49
measurement
48:50
of
48:51
success.
48:52
And,
48:52
you
48:53
know,
48:54
because
48:54
I've
48:54
heard
48:55
so
48:55
many
48:55
different
48:56
stories
48:56
about
48:57
perception,
48:59
it's
48:59
not
48:59
the
48:59
author,
49:00
it's
49:00
the
49:01
audience,
49:02
how
49:02
they
49:02
perceive
49:03
things.
49:03
A
49:03
lot
49:03
of
49:03
times
49:04
they
49:04
think,
49:04
when
49:04
you're
49:04
a
49:05
book
49:05
author,
49:06
a
49:06
children's
49:06
book
49:07
author
49:07
or
49:07
a
49:07
book
49:08
author,
49:08
that
49:09
somehow
49:09
you've
49:10
sold
49:10
millions
49:11
of
49:11
copies
49:11
and
49:11
you're
49:12
a
49:12
multimillionaire.
49:13
I
49:13
was
49:14
told
49:14
that
49:14
the
49:14
other
49:15
day
49:15
by
49:15
one
49:16
of
49:16
my
49:16
guests,
49:16
and
49:16
I
49:17
thought,
49:17
oh,
49:17
I
49:18
never
49:18
really
49:18
thought
49:18
about
49:19
that
49:19
too
49:19
deep.
49:20
But
49:21
most
49:21
of
49:21
us
49:21
don't
49:22
come
49:22
to
49:22
this
49:23
for
49:23
fame
49:23
and
49:23
fortune.
49:24
Tell
49:24
us
49:25
what
49:25
your
49:26
original
49:26
goal
49:27
was
49:27
for
49:27
your
49:28
book
49:29
and.
49:29
Or
49:30
goals
49:32
about
49:32
the
49:32
whole
49:32
book
49:33
launch.
49:33
Tell
49:34
us
49:34
about
49:34
how
49:35
you
49:35
wanted
49:35
to
49:36
measure
49:36
your
49:36
success.
49:37
My
49:38
whole
49:39
goal
49:39
was
49:39
to
49:40
leave
49:40
a
49:40
legacy.
49:41
So
49:41
my
49:42
mother
49:42
was
49:42
a
49:42
story
49:43
writer.
49:43
She
49:43
taught
49:43
us
49:43
how
49:44
to
49:44
read
49:44
before
49:44
we
49:44
got
49:45
to
49:45
school
49:45
by
49:45
writing
49:45
stories
49:46
to
49:46
us.
49:47
To
49:47
me,
49:48
that
49:48
was
49:48
a
49:49
huge
49:49
success.
49:50
So
49:51
for
49:51
me,
49:52
writing
49:53
a
49:53
story
49:53
that
49:53
children
49:54
would
49:54
read
49:55
and
49:55
love
49:56
and
49:56
enjoy,
49:57
whether
49:57
they're
49:58
two
49:58
children
49:59
or
49:59
2
49:59
million
50:00
children,
50:01
to
50:01
me,
50:02
it's
50:02
the
50:03
success
50:03
is
50:03
in
50:04
every
50:04
child
50:04
that
50:04
gets
50:04
to
50:05
read
50:05
my
50:05
book.
50:05
I
50:06
don't
50:06
know
50:06
that.
50:07
And
50:07
I
50:08
laugh
50:08
at
50:08
the
50:08
whole
50:08
multimillion
50:09
dollar
50:10
thing
50:10
because
50:11
I'm
50:11
pretty
50:11
sure
50:12
that's
50:12
a
50:13
very
50:13
cool
50:13
dream.
50:14
I
50:15
don't
50:15
want
50:15
to
50:15
say
50:15
it's.
50:15
It's
50:16
not
50:16
a
50:16
good
50:16
dream.
50:17
It
50:17
is
50:17
a
50:17
great
50:17
dream.
50:18
I
50:19
just
50:19
also
50:19
don't
50:20
think
50:20
about
50:20
that
50:20
very
50:21
much.
50:21
Right.
50:22
My
50:22
success
50:23
is.
50:24
Oh,
50:24
my
50:24
goodness.
50:24
I
50:25
got.
50:25
I
50:25
was
50:25
teaching
50:26
in
50:26
a
50:26
grade
50:27
two
50:27
class,
50:27
and
50:27
so
50:28
did
50:28
this,
50:28
and
50:28
it
50:28
was
50:29
so
50:29
cute
50:29
because
50:29
they
50:29
wanted
50:30
to
50:30
write
50:30
a
50:30
story
50:30
about
50:31
that.
50:31
So
50:31
my
50:32
measure
50:33
of
50:33
success
50:34
is
50:34
the
50:35
impact
50:35
I
50:35
have
50:36
on
50:36
the
50:36
children
50:36
that
50:37
I
50:37
meet.
50:37
Good
50:38
stuff.
50:38
And
50:38
that
50:38
I
50:38
can
50:38
share
50:39
my
50:39
story
50:39
with.
50:40
So
50:41
a
50:41
big
50:41
coup
50:42
for
50:42
me.
50:42
I
50:43
know
50:43
this
50:43
sounds
50:43
weird,
50:43
but
50:44
I.
50:45
I
50:45
contacted
50:46
Sick
50:46
Kids
50:46
Hospital
50:47
in
50:47
Toronto,
50:47
and
50:48
I
50:48
said,
50:48
I
50:48
really
50:48
want
50:49
to
50:49
donate
50:49
my
50:49
books
50:50
to
50:50
kids
50:51
who
50:51
aren't
50:51
going
50:51
to
50:51
get
50:52
home
50:52
for
50:52
Christmas
50:52
this
50:53
year
50:53
or
50:53
who
50:54
don't
50:54
have.
50:55
I
50:55
just
50:55
wanted
50:56
to
50:56
share
50:56
my
50:56
book.
50:57
They're
50:57
not.
50:58
They're
50:58
focusing
50:59
on
50:59
them
50:59
being
50:59
sick
51:00
and
51:00
getting
51:00
better.
51:01
There's
51:01
not
51:02
maybe
51:02
the
51:03
most.
51:04
No
51:04
ability
51:05
to
51:05
get
51:05
out
51:05
on
51:06
a
51:06
sled
51:06
hill
51:07
for
51:07
sure.
51:08
So
51:08
the
51:08
process
51:08
for
51:09
that
51:09
was
51:09
quite
51:10
interesting.
51:10
It
51:11
took
51:11
a
51:11
long
51:11
time.
51:12
They
51:12
finally
51:13
came
51:13
back
51:13
to
51:13
me,
51:14
said,
51:14
yes,
51:14
please
51:14
send
51:15
two
51:15
books.
51:16
And
51:16
since
51:17
my
51:17
daughter
51:17
is
51:18
a
51:18
doctor
51:18
and
51:19
she
51:19
went
51:19
to
51:20
U
51:20
of
51:20
T
51:20
for
51:21
med
51:21
school,
51:21
and
51:22
we
51:22
drove
51:22
by
51:22
there
51:23
all
51:23
the
51:23
time.
51:23
I
51:23
have
51:23
a
51:24
nurse
51:24
friend
51:24
who
51:25
worked
51:25
at
51:25
Kids
51:26
for
51:26
a
51:26
long
51:26
time,
51:27
I
51:27
really
51:27
wanted
51:28
to
51:28
do
51:28
this.
51:29
I
51:29
get
51:29
goosebumps
51:30
thinking
51:30
about
51:30
it,
51:30
because
51:31
I
51:31
think
51:32
I
51:32
got
51:33
to
51:33
reach
51:34
those
51:35
little
51:35
kids
51:35
in
51:36
that
51:36
hospital
51:37
who,
51:37
you
51:38
know,
51:38
like,
51:38
I
51:38
pray
51:39
that
51:39
they
51:39
would
51:39
always
51:39
get
51:40
out,
51:40
but
51:40
maybe
51:40
they
51:40
won't.
51:41
It's
51:42
just,
51:42
for
51:42
me,
51:42
it's
51:43
more
51:43
about
51:43
touching
51:44
lives
51:45
than
51:45
it
51:45
is
51:46
about
51:47
money
51:47
touching
51:47
my
51:48
bank
51:48
account.
51:49
I
51:49
still
51:49
have
51:49
to
51:49
ask
51:50
this
51:50
question
51:51
because
51:52
everybody
51:53
comes
51:53
at
51:53
it
51:53
differently.
51:54
But
51:55
did
51:55
you
51:56
develop
51:56
a
51:57
business
51:58
plan
51:59
through
51:59
your
51:59
book?
52:00
And
52:00
if
52:00
you
52:00
did,
52:01
what
52:01
did
52:01
it?
52:01
What's
52:02
this
52:02
business
52:03
plan
52:03
look
52:03
like?
52:04
Okay,
52:04
for.
52:05
So
52:05
at
52:05
first,
52:06
no,
52:07
I
52:07
did
52:07
not.
52:08
No,
52:08
absolutely
52:09
not.
52:09
I
52:10
was
52:10
like
52:10
deer
52:10
in
52:10
headlights
52:11
because
52:11
it
52:11
was
52:12
my
52:12
first
52:13
children's
52:14
book.
52:14
And
52:14
I
52:14
did
52:15
it,
52:15
as
52:15
I
52:15
say,
52:16
for
52:16
a
52:16
legacy
52:16
piece
52:17
for
52:17
my
52:17
grandchildren
52:18
while
52:18
she
52:18
was
52:19
young
52:19
enough
52:19
to
52:20
remember
52:20
that
52:20
we
52:21
did
52:21
this
52:21
and
52:21
think
52:22
about
52:22
it
52:22
later.
52:23
Yes.
52:24
So
52:24
as
52:25
an
52:25
indie
52:25
author,
52:26
of
52:26
course
52:26
you're
52:26
not
52:27
getting
52:27
into
52:27
the
52:27
big
52:27
box
52:28
stores.
52:28
You're
52:28
not.
52:29
Unless
52:30
you
52:30
do
52:30
go
52:31
on
52:31
consignment.
52:32
And
52:32
I
52:32
worked
52:32
really
52:32
hard.
52:33
After
52:33
six
52:33
months,
52:33
I
52:34
got
52:34
into
52:34
Indigo
52:35
Windsor.
52:36
I
52:37
got
52:37
my
52:37
foot
52:37
in
52:37
the
52:37
door
52:38
there.
52:38
But
52:39
to
52:39
me,
52:40
it
52:40
wasn't
52:40
that
52:40
important.
52:41
Except
52:41
that
52:41
was
52:41
one
52:42
of
52:42
my
52:42
goals
52:42
I
52:42
really
52:42
wanted.
52:43
So
52:43
I
52:43
did
52:43
it.
52:44
To
52:44
say
52:44
one
52:44
thing.
52:45
For
52:45
anyone
52:45
who's
52:46
listening.
52:46
In
52:47
the
52:47
United
52:47
States,
52:48
Indigo
52:49
is
52:49
like
52:49
Barnes
52:50
and
52:50
Noble
52:51
in
52:52
Canada.
52:52
So
52:52
just.
52:53
And
52:53
then
52:54
I
52:54
just
52:54
want
52:55
people
52:55
to
52:55
understand
52:56
what
52:56
Indigo
52:57
is.
52:58
Yeah.
52:58
So
52:58
thank
52:58
you
52:58
for.
52:59
So
52:59
my
52:59
book
52:59
is
52:59
on
53:00
Amazon
53:00
and
53:00
at
53:00
Barnes
53:01
and
53:01
Noble,
53:02
but
53:02
that
53:02
would
53:02
be
53:02
another
53:03
trip
53:03
over
53:03
the
53:04
border
53:04
to
53:05
talk.
53:05
I
53:06
noticed
53:06
that
53:06
on
53:06
your
53:07
website
53:07
you
53:07
did
53:08
get
53:08
your
53:08
book
53:08
into
53:09
Barnes
53:09
and
53:09
Noble.
53:10
Yes.
53:10
Which
53:10
obviously
53:11
means
53:11
you
53:12
probably
53:13
went
53:13
across
53:13
the
53:14
river
53:14
to
53:15
Detroit.
53:16
Is
53:16
that
53:16
correct?
53:17
Because
53:17
it's
53:17
not
53:18
a
53:18
Barnes
53:18
and
53:18
Noble.
53:19
No.
53:19
Biblio
53:20
Kids,
53:21
they
53:21
put
53:22
them
53:22
on
53:22
Barnes
53:23
and
53:23
Noble
53:23
and
53:23
Amazon.
53:24
Yes.
53:25
And
53:25
in
53:26
both
53:26
Canada
53:26
and
53:26
the
53:26
United
53:27
States.
53:27
Okay.
53:28
And
53:28
I
53:29
got
53:29
it
53:29
onto
53:29
the
53:30
Canadian
53:30
Indigo
53:31
myself.
53:32
Ah,
53:32
okay.
53:33
Okay.
53:33
I
53:34
did
53:34
that
53:34
myself.
53:35
Good
53:35
for
53:35
you.
53:35
Like,
53:35
onto
53:36
their
53:36
website.
53:37
All
53:37
right.
53:38
Yeah.
53:38
And
53:38
so
53:39
Anyway,
53:39
then
53:39
another
53:40
part
53:40
of
53:40
my
53:40
business
53:41
plan
53:41
in
53:41
was
53:42
I
53:42
bought
53:43
all
53:43
these
53:43
books
53:43
and
53:44
I
53:44
thought,
53:44
okay,
53:44
now
53:45
where
53:45
am
53:45
I
53:45
going
53:45
to
53:45
sell
53:45
those?
53:46
Yes.
53:47
So
53:48
I
53:48
took
53:49
some
53:49
to
53:49
schools
53:49
with
53:50
me.
53:50
Okay.
53:51
And
53:51
I
53:51
have
53:51
to
53:51
tell
53:52
you
53:52
that
53:52
I
53:53
didn't
53:53
make
53:54
a
53:54
ginormous
53:55
profit
53:55
on
53:55
any
53:55
of
53:56
them
53:56
because
53:56
it
53:56
wasn't
53:56
really
53:57
my
53:57
goal
53:57
to
53:57
do
53:57
that.
53:58
But
53:58
I
53:58
did
53:59
want
53:59
to
53:59
get
53:59
my
53:59
book
53:59
out
54:00
there.
54:00
So
54:00
I
54:00
put
54:00
them
54:00
in
54:00
three
54:01
local
54:02
stores.
54:03
They
54:03
sold.
54:04
I
54:04
put
54:05
them
54:05
into
54:06
the
54:06
or
54:06
one
54:06
of
54:07
our
54:07
local
54:07
art
54:07
societies.
54:08
Okay.
54:09
Now
54:09
did
54:09
you
54:09
put
54:09
the
54:10
these
54:10
on
54:10
consignment
54:11
or
54:11
did
54:11
you
54:12
sell
54:12
them
54:12
to
54:13
them?
54:13
They
54:13
were
54:13
on
54:14
consignment.
54:14
Okay.
54:15
Yes.
54:15
Oh,
54:15
I
54:16
put
54:16
it
54:16
at
54:16
a
54:16
Christmas
54:17
tree
54:17
farm
54:18
too.
54:18
So
54:18
that
54:19
was
54:19
cool.
54:19
Oh,
54:19
cool.
54:20
Yeah,
54:20
great
54:20
idea.
54:21
Yeah.
54:22
So
54:22
I
54:22
had
54:22
them
54:22
in
54:22
four,
54:23
maybe
54:23
five
54:24
local
54:24
places.
54:24
Okay.
54:25
So
54:25
that
54:25
was
54:25
my
54:26
business
54:26
plan
54:27
to
54:27
get
54:27
rid
54:27
of.
54:28
Just
54:28
to
54:28
get
54:28
my
54:28
money
54:29
back
54:29
from
54:29
the
54:29
books
54:29
that
54:30
I
54:30
had
54:30
ordered.
54:31
And
54:31
now
54:31
my
54:32
business
54:32
plan
54:33
is
54:33
to
54:33
keep
54:34
picking
54:34
away
54:34
at
54:35
social
54:36
media,
54:36
because
54:37
as
54:37
an
54:37
indie
54:38
author,
54:39
basically
54:39
you
54:40
are.
54:40
It's
54:41
your
54:41
job
54:41
to
54:41
do
54:42
that.
54:42
And
54:42
it's
54:42
important
54:43
for
54:44
the
54:44
listening
54:44
audience
54:45
to
54:45
know
54:45
that.
54:46
Exactly
54:47
what
54:47
Joan's
54:48
talking
54:48
about.
54:49
The
54:49
only
54:49
person
54:50
marketing
54:50
your
54:51
book
54:51
generally
54:52
is
54:52
you.
54:53
My
54:53
kids
54:53
have
54:54
often
54:54
asked,
54:54
are
54:54
you
54:54
going
54:55
to
54:55
do
54:55
a
54:55
read
54:55
aloud
54:56
on
54:56
YouTube?
54:57
And
54:57
I
54:57
said,
54:57
wait
54:58
till
54:58
I
54:58
have
54:58
a
54:58
tan
54:59
and
54:59
I
54:59
look
55:00
a
55:00
little.
55:00
I
55:01
have
55:01
a
55:01
little
55:01
bit
55:01
of
55:01
a
55:01
glow.
55:02
Then
55:03
I'll
55:03
set
55:03
up
55:03
my
55:03
room
55:04
with
55:04
snowy
55:04
stuff.
55:05
I
55:05
have
55:05
all
55:05
the
55:05
call.
55:06
But
55:06
wait
55:06
till
55:07
I
55:07
look
55:07
a
55:07
little
55:07
bit
55:08
more
55:08
warm
55:08
or
55:09
something.
55:09
Or
55:09
we'll
55:10
put.
55:10
We'll
55:10
put
55:10
you
55:11
in
55:11
the
55:11
full
55:12
snowboarding
55:13
outfit.
55:14
Yes,
55:14
I
55:14
think
55:14
that
55:14
would
55:15
be
55:15
a
55:15
good
55:15
idea.
55:15
Yes.
55:16
Yeah,
55:16
no
55:16
doubt
55:16
about
55:17
it.
55:17
The
55:18
role
55:18
of
55:18
writing.
55:19
Because
55:19
obviously,
55:20
now
55:20
that
55:20
you've
55:20
thought
55:21
this.
55:21
This
55:21
through
55:22
a
55:22
bit,
55:22
you've
55:22
started
55:23
formulating
55:24
a
55:25
business
55:25
plan
55:26
for.
55:27
It's
55:28
growing.
55:28
So
55:29
the
55:29
next
55:29
time
55:29
you
55:30
launch
55:30
a
55:30
book,
55:31
you'll
55:31
probably.
55:32
It'll
55:32
be
55:32
a
55:32
little
55:33
more
55:33
defined
55:34
on
55:34
what
55:34
your
55:34
business
55:35
plan
55:35
looks
55:35
like.
55:36
I'm
55:36
going
55:36
to
55:37
say.
55:37
Would
55:38
that
55:38
be
55:38
correct?
55:39
Yes.
55:40
So
55:40
I've
55:41
actually
55:41
taken
55:42
a
55:42
course
55:42
on
55:43
pitching
55:43
a
55:43
literary
55:44
agent.
55:45
I
55:45
have.
55:45
Because
55:46
I
55:46
thought,
55:46
okay,
55:47
I
55:47
got
55:48
my
55:48
legacy
55:48
work.
55:49
It's
55:49
out
55:49
there.
55:50
I
55:50
got
55:50
it
55:50
done.
55:51
Now
55:51
I'm
55:52
taking
55:52
my
55:52
time.
55:53
And
55:54
out
55:54
of
55:54
that
55:54
course
55:55
came
55:56
the
55:56
realization
55:57
that
55:57
if
55:57
you
55:57
want
55:58
to
55:58
go
55:58
to
55:58
a
55:59
traditional
55:59
publisher,
56:00
if
56:00
that's
56:00
what
56:00
you
56:00
want,
56:01
your
56:01
book
56:01
will
56:01
no
56:02
longer
56:02
belong
56:02
to
56:02
you.
56:03
But
56:04
they
56:04
will
56:05
market
56:05
it
56:06
like
56:06
crazy,
56:07
and
56:09
that
56:09
is
56:09
a
56:10
boon.
56:11
If
56:11
I
56:11
was
56:12
40
56:12
years
56:12
younger,
56:13
I
56:14
would
56:14
go
56:14
that
56:14
route.
56:15
That's
56:15
what
56:15
I
56:15
would
56:15
do.
56:16
Okay.
56:16
But
56:17
at
56:17
this
56:17
age,
56:18
I
56:18
would
56:18
have
56:18
gone
56:18
that
56:19
route
56:19
in
56:19
the
56:19
first
56:20
place.
56:20
But
56:20
I'm,
56:21
I,
56:21
I,
56:21
I'm
56:22
a
56:22
person
56:22
who
56:22
likes
56:23
to
56:23
achieve
56:23
things.
56:24
Right.
56:24
So
56:25
now
56:25
I
56:25
think,
56:25
hey,
56:26
I
56:26
think
56:26
I'm
56:26
going
56:26
to
56:27
try
56:27
my
56:27
hand
56:27
at
56:27
this.
56:28
You've
56:28
got
56:28
me
56:29
thinking
56:29
about
56:30
now.
56:30
You're
56:31
thinking
56:31
about
56:31
yourself
56:32
as
56:32
a
56:32
children's
56:33
book
56:33
author,
56:34
because
56:34
guess
56:34
what?
56:34
You
56:35
are
56:35
a
56:35
children's
56:35
book
56:36
author.
56:36
I'm
56:37
curious
56:37
because
56:38
I
56:38
can
56:38
see
56:38
the
56:38
sparkle
56:39
in
56:39
your
56:39
eyes.
56:40
Tell
56:40
us
56:40
about
56:40
the
56:40
role
56:41
of
56:41
writing.
56:42
So
56:42
tell
56:42
us.
56:43
You've
56:43
got,
56:43
now
56:44
you've
56:44
got
56:44
your
56:44
first
56:44
book.
56:45
So
56:45
in
56:45
the
56:45
grand
56:46
scheme
56:46
of
56:46
things
56:47
now,
56:47
as
56:47
your
56:48
life
56:48
moves
56:48
forward,
56:49
what's
56:49
the
56:50
role
56:50
of
56:50
children's
56:51
books
56:51
in
56:51
your
56:51
life?
56:52
I'd
56:53
say
56:53
it
56:53
was,
56:54
my
56:54
husband
56:54
would
56:54
say
56:54
it
56:55
consumes
56:55
me,
56:56
but,
56:57
but
56:57
I
56:57
would
56:58
say
56:58
it's
56:58
a,
56:59
it's
56:59
about
56:59
a
56:59
50%
57:00
part
57:00
of
57:01
my
57:01
life
57:01
because
57:01
I
57:01
am
57:02
a
57:02
caregiver
57:02
and
57:03
so
57:03
forth.
57:03
And
57:03
I
57:04
do
57:04
love
57:04
gardening
57:05
and
57:05
doing
57:05
all
57:05
the
57:06
things
57:06
I
57:06
love
57:06
to
57:06
do,
57:07
but
57:07
it
57:08
does
57:08
have
57:08
a
57:08
major
57:08
role
57:09
in
57:09
my
57:09
life.
57:09
I
57:10
can't
57:10
sit
57:10
on
57:11
the
57:11
couch
57:11
and
57:11
watch
57:12
television.
57:12
I
57:13
just,
57:13
I'm
57:13
not,
57:14
I
57:14
just
57:14
can't
57:15
do
57:15
it.
57:15
What's
57:16
the
57:16
typical
57:16
amount
57:16
of
57:17
time
57:17
you
57:18
think
57:18
you're
57:18
putting
57:19
into
57:19
writing
57:19
now?
57:20
About
57:20
two
57:21
hours
57:21
a
57:21
day.
57:21
And
57:22
I
57:22
can,
57:23
I
57:23
can
57:23
go
57:23
over
57:23
the
57:24
same
57:24
story,
57:25
okay,
57:26
20
57:26
times.
57:27
And
57:27
at
57:28
the
57:28
end
57:28
of
57:28
the
57:28
day,
57:29
it's
57:29
completely
57:30
changed,
57:30
right?
57:31
Yes.
57:31
Wow.
57:32
So
57:32
anyway,
57:32
what
57:32
I
57:33
was
57:33
saying
57:33
is
57:34
right
57:34
now
57:35
in
57:35
my
57:36
writing
57:37
journey,
57:38
I'm
57:38
trying
57:38
to
57:38
be
57:38
a
57:39
student
57:39
of
57:40
publishing.
57:40
Okay.
57:41
And
57:41
even
57:41
though
57:42
I
57:42
know
57:42
what
57:43
children
57:44
like
57:44
to
57:44
read,
57:45
because
57:45
I've
57:45
read
57:46
about
57:46
4
57:46
million
57:47
books
57:47
in
57:47
my
57:47
career,
57:48
I
57:49
am
57:50
trying
57:50
to
57:51
assess
57:52
what
57:52
it
57:53
is
57:53
the
57:53
industry
57:53
is
57:54
looking
57:54
for
57:54
now.
57:55
So
57:55
I'm
57:56
asking
57:56
parents,
57:57
what
57:57
do
57:57
you
57:57
want
57:57
them
57:58
in
57:58
a
57:58
book?
57:58
And
57:59
kids,
57:59
what
57:59
do
57:59
you
58:00
like
58:00
the
58:00
most
58:00
in
58:00
a
58:01
book?
58:01
The
58:01
underlying
58:02
message
58:02
is
58:03
they
58:03
want
58:03
to
58:03
be
58:04
entertained.
58:05
It
58:05
has
58:05
to
58:06
be
58:06
active
58:07
and
58:08
it
58:08
can't
58:08
be
58:08
overly
58:09
didactic,
58:10
which
58:10
is
58:10
like
58:11
many
58:11
heavy
58:12
duty
58:12
lessons
58:12
or
58:13
so
58:13
for
58:13
now,
58:13
when
58:13
I'm
58:14
crafting
58:14
my
58:14
books,
58:15
I
58:16
try
58:16
to
58:16
bring
58:17
really
58:17
big
58:18
voices
58:18
to
58:19
my
58:19
characters.
58:20
I
58:20
try
58:20
to
58:21
keep
58:21
a
58:22
gigantic
58:23
sense
58:23
of
58:23
humor
58:24
with
58:25
a
58:25
lot
58:25
of
58:25
wit
58:26
and
58:26
pun
58:27
that
58:27
parents
58:28
can
58:28
pick
58:29
up
58:29
on,
58:30
and
58:30
they
58:30
do.
58:30
An
58:31
example
58:31
from
58:31
Icecap
58:32
is
58:33
when
58:33
I
58:33
have
58:33
the
58:34
Icecap
58:34
playing
58:34
hockey.
58:35
The
58:36
illustrator
58:36
had
58:37
him
58:37
in
58:37
the
58:37
kind
58:37
of
58:38
the
58:38
red
58:38
bird
58:39
jersey.
58:40
And
58:40
I
58:40
said,
58:40
oh,
58:40
no,
58:41
you
58:41
have
58:41
to
58:41
put
58:41
the
58:41
maple
58:42
leaf
58:42
jersey
58:42
on
58:43
the
58:43
main
58:43
character.
58:43
I'm
58:43
sorry,
58:44
I'm
58:44
Canadian.
58:45
The,
58:46
the
58:46
ongoing.
58:47
It's
58:47
not
58:47
a
58:47
fight,
58:48
it's
58:48
a
58:49
tension
58:50
between
58:50
Parts
58:50
of
58:50
her
58:51
family
58:51
between
58:51
the
58:51
Red
58:52
Wings
58:52
Maple
58:53
Leafs
58:53
is
58:53
a
58:53
just
58:54
a
58:54
huge
58:54
family
58:54
joke,
58:54
so
58:55
I
58:55
had
58:55
to
58:55
put
58:55
that
58:55
in
58:55
the
58:55
book.
58:56
But
58:57
it's
58:57
like
58:57
when
58:57
you
58:58
watch
58:58
Disney
58:58
movies
58:59
with
58:59
your
58:59
kids
58:59
about
58:59
4
59:00
million
59:00
times
59:01
because
59:01
you
59:01
have
59:01
to
59:01
watch
59:02
them
59:02
over
59:02
and
59:02
over
59:02
again.
59:03
Yes.
59:04
Disney
59:04
tries
59:04
to
59:05
make
59:05
it
59:05
entertaining
59:06
for
59:06
parents,
59:06
too.
59:07
Absolutely.
59:08
And
59:08
so
59:09
when
59:09
I
59:09
wrote
59:09
this
59:09
book,
59:10
a
59:10
lot
59:10
of
59:10
parents
59:11
say
59:11
my
59:12
kids
59:12
loved
59:12
it,
59:12
but
59:13
I
59:13
really
59:13
like
59:13
to
59:13
chew.
59:14
It's
59:15
funny
59:15
you
59:15
should
59:15
say
59:16
that
59:16
because
59:16
as
59:17
a
59:17
grandfather
59:18
of
59:18
five
59:19
grandchildren
59:21
and
59:21
I've
59:21
got
59:21
three
59:22
granddaughters,
59:22
two
59:23
grandsons,
59:24
taking
59:25
them
59:25
to
59:25
animated
59:26
movies
59:27
is
59:28
quite
59:28
a
59:29
highlight
59:29
for
59:29
me
59:29
because
59:30
I'm
59:30
just
59:30
a
59:30
big
59:30
kid
59:31
at
59:31
heart.
59:31
So
59:32
I
59:32
get
59:32
to
59:32
disguise
59:33
that
59:34
by
59:34
taking
59:35
them
59:35
to
59:35
the
59:35
movie.
59:36
I
59:36
know
59:36
what
59:36
you
59:36
mean.
59:37
Jonah.
59:38
I
59:38
want
59:38
to
59:38
pick
59:38
up
59:38
on
59:39
what
59:39
you've
59:39
been
59:40
talking
59:40
about
59:40
because
59:41
I
59:41
want
59:41
to
59:41
make
59:41
sure
59:41
I
59:42
don't
59:42
miss
59:42
out
59:42
on.
59:43
On
59:43
some
59:44
advice
59:44
for
59:45
aspiring
59:46
authors.
59:47
You've
59:47
given
59:47
a
59:47
lot
59:47
of
59:48
advice
59:48
and
59:49
talking
59:49
to
59:49
parents
59:50
and
59:50
children.
59:51
Talk
59:52
to
59:52
us
59:52
about.
59:52
If
59:53
I
59:53
was
59:54
coming
59:54
to
59:54
you
59:54
as
59:55
an
59:55
aspiring
59:56
author
59:56
and
59:57
I
59:57
wanted
59:57
to
59:57
get
59:58
started,
59:58
what
59:59
advice
59:59
would
59:59
you
59:59
give
1:00:00
me?
1:00:00
First
1:00:01
is
1:00:01
right
1:00:02
from
1:00:02
the
1:00:02
heart.
1:00:03
Fill
1:00:03
your
1:00:03
imaginary
1:00:04
backpack
1:00:05
with
1:00:05
knowledge,
1:00:05
experience,
1:00:06
and
1:00:07
observations.
1:00:08
But
1:00:09
the
1:00:09
biggest
1:00:09
one
1:00:09
for
1:00:10
me,
1:00:10
spend
1:00:11
time
1:00:12
with
1:00:12
children
1:00:13
because
1:00:13
they
1:00:14
are
1:00:14
your
1:00:14
audience.
1:00:15
So
1:00:15
if
1:00:16
you
1:00:16
spend
1:00:16
time
1:00:17
with
1:00:17
children,
1:00:18
you
1:00:18
will
1:00:19
soon
1:00:20
learn
1:00:21
their
1:00:21
sense
1:00:21
of
1:00:21
humor
1:00:22
because
1:00:22
it's
1:00:22
different
1:00:23
than
1:00:23
ours.
1:00:23
Yes,
1:00:24
it
1:00:24
may
1:00:24
not
1:00:25
be
1:00:25
as
1:00:25
sophisticated,
1:00:27
but
1:00:27
it's
1:00:28
just
1:00:28
really
1:00:28
delightful.
1:00:29
Use
1:00:30
the
1:00:30
language
1:00:31
that
1:00:31
children
1:00:31
can
1:00:32
connect
1:00:32
with.
1:00:33
I
1:00:33
used
1:00:33
Rymen
1:00:34
vocabulary
1:00:35
in
1:00:35
my
1:00:36
content,
1:00:36
and
1:00:37
I
1:00:37
think
1:00:37
it's
1:00:37
about
1:00:37
a
1:00:38
2.5
1:00:38
reading
1:00:39
level.
1:00:39
So
1:00:39
it
1:00:39
can
1:00:39
be
1:00:40
read
1:00:40
by
1:00:40
lots
1:00:40
of
1:00:40
different
1:00:40
people
1:00:41
and
1:00:41
use
1:00:42
in
1:00:42
your
1:00:42
book,
1:00:43
parts
1:00:43
of
1:00:43
your
1:00:43
book,
1:00:44
things
1:00:44
they
1:00:45
can
1:00:45
relate
1:00:45
to.
1:00:46
So
1:00:46
if
1:00:46
you're
1:00:46
writing
1:00:47
about
1:00:47
a
1:00:48
screen
1:00:48
door,
1:00:49
you
1:00:49
might
1:00:49
as
1:00:49
well
1:00:50
just
1:00:50
put
1:00:50
that
1:00:50
idea
1:00:51
on
1:00:51
the
1:00:51
shelf
1:00:51
and
1:00:52
forget
1:00:52
it
1:00:52
out.
1:00:52
Again.
1:00:53
Need
1:00:53
to
1:00:53
write
1:00:54
about
1:00:54
what
1:00:54
children
1:00:55
love
1:00:55
and
1:00:56
what
1:00:56
your
1:00:56
book
1:00:56
is.
1:00:57
They
1:00:57
love
1:00:57
animals.
1:00:58
They
1:00:58
love
1:00:59
exciting
1:00:59
things.
1:01:00
They
1:01:00
love.
1:01:01
They
1:01:01
love
1:01:02
it
1:01:02
when,
1:01:02
like
1:01:02
slapstick.
1:01:03
It's
1:01:04
funny
1:01:04
you
1:01:04
should
1:01:04
mention
1:01:05
about
1:01:06
making
1:01:06
sure
1:01:07
that
1:01:07
you
1:01:07
involve
1:01:07
children,
1:01:08
because
1:01:08
the
1:01:09
one
1:01:09
positive
1:01:10
thing
1:01:10
about
1:01:10
getting
1:01:11
my
1:01:11
grandchildren
1:01:12
to
1:01:13
read
1:01:13
the
1:01:13
audio
1:01:14
books
1:01:14
of
1:01:15
our
1:01:15
stories
1:01:16
is
1:01:17
they're
1:01:17
the
1:01:18
ones
1:01:18
who
1:01:19
do
1:01:19
the
1:01:19
editing
1:01:20
because
1:01:21
they
1:01:21
say,
1:01:22
I
1:01:22
don't
1:01:22
understand
1:01:23
that
1:01:23
word.
1:01:24
Like,
1:01:24
where
1:01:24
did
1:01:24
you
1:01:25
get
1:01:25
that
1:01:25
word?
1:01:26
So
1:01:26
it's
1:01:26
great
1:01:27
because
1:01:27
if
1:01:27
you
1:01:27
just
1:01:28
get
1:01:28
children
1:01:29
to
1:01:29
read
1:01:29
your
1:01:30
story
1:01:31
and
1:01:31
get
1:01:31
them
1:01:31
engaged,
1:01:32
you
1:01:32
can
1:01:33
really
1:01:33
learn
1:01:33
a
1:01:33
lot.
1:01:34
So
1:01:34
I'd
1:01:34
encourage,
1:01:35
like
1:01:35
you
1:01:36
were
1:01:36
talking
1:01:36
about,
1:01:37
make
1:01:37
sure
1:01:37
you're
1:01:38
actually
1:01:38
talking
1:01:39
to
1:01:39
your
1:01:39
audience
1:01:40
and
1:01:41
get
1:01:41
them
1:01:41
involved.
1:01:42
Yes.
1:01:43
And
1:01:43
the
1:01:43
other
1:01:44
thing
1:01:44
is,
1:01:45
now
1:01:45
that
1:01:45
you've
1:01:45
made
1:01:46
your
1:01:46
connection
1:01:46
with
1:01:47
children
1:01:47
and
1:01:48
you
1:01:48
read
1:01:48
your
1:01:48
stories
1:01:49
without
1:01:50
pictures
1:01:50
to
1:01:50
your
1:01:50
children.
1:01:51
That'll
1:01:52
tell
1:01:52
you
1:01:52
a
1:01:52
lot.
1:01:53
And
1:01:53
then
1:01:54
I
1:01:54
would
1:01:54
say
1:01:55
reach
1:01:55
out
1:01:55
to
1:01:55
other
1:01:55
indie
1:01:56
authors
1:01:56
as
1:01:56
much
1:01:57
as
1:01:57
you
1:01:57
can,
1:01:58
because
1:01:59
it
1:01:59
can
1:02:00
be
1:02:00
a
1:02:00
very
1:02:00
lonely
1:02:01
process.
1:02:02
Absolutely.
1:02:03
And
1:02:04
join
1:02:04
a
1:02:04
writer's
1:02:05
group.
1:02:05
I
1:02:05
did
1:02:06
with
1:02:06
the
1:02:06
Journey
1:02:07
to
1:02:07
Kid
1:02:07
lit,
1:02:07
and
1:02:08
I
1:02:08
now
1:02:08
am
1:02:08
Facebook
1:02:09
friends
1:02:09
with
1:02:09
a
1:02:09
couple
1:02:10
of
1:02:10
them.
1:02:10
And
1:02:10
we
1:02:11
communicate
1:02:12
regularly
1:02:12
and
1:02:12
our
1:02:13
friends,
1:02:13
like,
1:02:14
above
1:02:14
and
1:02:14
beyond
1:02:14
being
1:02:15
an
1:02:15
indie
1:02:15
author.
1:02:16
And
1:02:16
it.
1:02:17
So
1:02:17
there
1:02:17
are
1:02:17
things,
1:02:18
as
1:02:18
an
1:02:18
author
1:02:19
that
1:02:20
you
1:02:20
don't
1:02:20
really
1:02:20
want
1:02:21
to
1:02:21
talk
1:02:21
to
1:02:21
your
1:02:21
family,
1:02:22
you
1:02:23
know,
1:02:23
about
1:02:24
because
1:02:24
they
1:02:24
really
1:02:25
don't
1:02:25
understand
1:02:25
you.
1:02:26
You
1:02:27
say
1:02:27
the
1:02:27
same
1:02:28
things
1:02:28
in
1:02:29
other
1:02:29
authors,
1:02:30
and
1:02:30
they
1:02:30
really
1:02:30
get
1:02:30
you.
1:02:31
And
1:02:31
you
1:02:31
know
1:02:31
what's
1:02:31
interesting
1:02:32
you
1:02:32
should
1:02:32
say
1:02:32
that,
1:02:33
because
1:02:33
that's
1:02:33
one
1:02:33
thing
1:02:34
that
1:02:34
I'm
1:02:34
finding
1:02:35
is,
1:02:36
as
1:02:36
I
1:02:36
do
1:02:36
more
1:02:37
and
1:02:37
more
1:02:37
podcast
1:02:38
episodes,
1:02:39
it's
1:02:39
a
1:02:39
community.
1:02:41
And
1:02:41
that's
1:02:41
why
1:02:41
I
1:02:42
say
1:02:42
there
1:02:43
is
1:02:43
no
1:02:43
borders.
1:02:44
It's
1:02:45
global.
1:02:46
And
1:02:47
so
1:02:47
it's
1:02:47
important,
1:02:48
as
1:02:48
you're
1:02:48
talking
1:02:49
about,
1:02:49
build
1:02:50
your
1:02:50
community.
1:02:50
And
1:02:51
it's
1:02:51
incredible
1:02:52
how
1:02:52
sharing
1:02:53
and
1:02:53
giving
1:02:54
the
1:02:54
community
1:02:54
is.
1:02:55
I
1:02:55
want
1:02:56
to
1:02:56
talk
1:02:56
to
1:02:56
you
1:02:56
about
1:02:56
readers
1:02:57
because
1:02:57
I
1:02:57
certainly
1:02:58
don't
1:02:58
want
1:02:58
to
1:02:58
miss
1:02:59
out
1:02:59
on
1:02:59
the
1:03:00
importance
1:03:00
of
1:03:01
readers.
1:03:01
So
1:03:02
encouragements
1:03:03
for
1:03:03
readers.
1:03:04
Tell
1:03:04
us
1:03:04
why
1:03:05
children's
1:03:05
book
1:03:06
readers
1:03:06
should
1:03:06
purchase
1:03:07
your
1:03:07
book.
1:03:08
I
1:03:08
know
1:03:08
you
1:03:08
talked
1:03:08
about
1:03:09
availability,
1:03:09
which
1:03:10
we'll
1:03:10
put
1:03:10
in
1:03:10
the
1:03:10
show
1:03:10
notes,
1:03:11
but
1:03:11
so
1:03:11
talk
1:03:12
to
1:03:12
us,
1:03:12
first
1:03:12
of
1:03:12
all,
1:03:12
about
1:03:13
why
1:03:13
children's
1:03:14
book
1:03:15
readers
1:03:15
should
1:03:15
purchase
1:03:16
your
1:03:16
book.
1:03:17
When
1:03:17
I
1:03:17
wrote
1:03:17
the
1:03:18
story,
1:03:18
it
1:03:18
was
1:03:19
really
1:03:19
loosely
1:03:20
based
1:03:20
on
1:03:20
Frosty
1:03:21
the
1:03:21
Snowman
1:03:22
in
1:03:22
a
1:03:22
modern
1:03:23
sort
1:03:23
of
1:03:23
way.
1:03:24
Right.
1:03:24
So
1:03:25
I
1:03:25
really
1:03:26
think
1:03:26
everybody
1:03:26
would
1:03:27
love
1:03:27
this
1:03:27
book
1:03:28
because
1:03:28
it
1:03:28
is.
1:03:30
It's
1:03:30
traditional,
1:03:31
yet
1:03:31
modern.
1:03:32
It
1:03:32
can
1:03:33
become
1:03:33
a
1:03:34
great
1:03:34
tradition
1:03:35
in
1:03:36
the
1:03:36
wintertime
1:03:36
to
1:03:36
read
1:03:37
this
1:03:37
story.
1:03:37
Absolutely.
1:03:38
Kind
1:03:38
of
1:03:38
like
1:03:38
Frosty
1:03:39
the
1:03:39
Snowman.
1:03:40
I
1:03:40
loved
1:03:41
writing
1:03:41
in
1:03:41
rhyme
1:03:41
because
1:03:42
kids
1:03:43
can
1:03:43
read
1:03:44
it
1:03:44
and
1:03:44
they.
1:03:45
Every
1:03:45
time
1:03:45
you
1:03:45
read
1:03:45
it,
1:03:46
they
1:03:46
know
1:03:46
more
1:03:46
and
1:03:46
more.
1:03:47
My.
1:03:47
My
1:03:47
granddaughter
1:03:48
Audrey
1:03:49
has
1:03:49
almost
1:03:49
memorized
1:03:50
this
1:03:50
book.
1:03:50
She
1:03:50
knows
1:03:51
every
1:03:51
word
1:03:51
of
1:03:51
it.
1:03:51
She
1:03:52
just
1:03:52
turned
1:03:52
five
1:03:53
in
1:03:53
September.
1:03:54
She's
1:03:54
a
1:03:54
bright
1:03:55
little
1:03:55
button,
1:03:55
but
1:03:55
still.
1:03:56
You
1:03:56
know
1:03:56
what?
1:03:57
I
1:03:57
don't
1:03:57
want
1:03:57
to
1:03:57
give
1:03:57
away
1:03:58
the
1:03:58
ending
1:03:59
I
1:03:59
love,
1:04:00
and
1:04:00
I
1:04:00
won't.
1:04:01
But
1:04:01
I
1:04:01
love
1:04:01
your
1:04:02
ending.
1:04:02
Yes.
1:04:03
Yeah.
1:04:03
Thank
1:04:04
you.
1:04:04
I'll
1:04:04
like.
1:04:04
I
1:04:04
don't
1:04:04
want
1:04:04
to
1:04:05
give
1:04:05
it
1:04:05
away.
1:04:05
It's.
1:04:05
But
1:04:06
I
1:04:06
love
1:04:06
the
1:04:06
renewal.
1:04:08
That's
1:04:08
the
1:04:08
only
1:04:08
word
1:04:08
I'm
1:04:09
going
1:04:09
to
1:04:09
say.
1:04:10
Renewal.
1:04:11
Yes.
1:04:11
Thank
1:04:11
you.
1:04:12
You're
1:04:12
welcome.
1:04:13
I
1:04:13
chose
1:04:13
the
1:04:14
goodbye
1:04:14
very
1:04:14
carefully.
1:04:15
The
1:04:16
word
1:04:16
that
1:04:17
says
1:04:17
goodbye.
1:04:18
Yeah.
1:04:18
I
1:04:18
live
1:04:18
in
1:04:19
a
1:04:19
big
1:04:19
Italian.
1:04:20
There's
1:04:20
a
1:04:20
big
1:04:20
Italian
1:04:20
community
1:04:21
here.
1:04:21
We
1:04:21
have.
1:04:22
Through
1:04:22
farming,
1:04:23
greenhouse
1:04:23
farming.
1:04:23
We
1:04:24
have
1:04:24
so
1:04:24
many
1:04:24
connections.
1:04:25
And
1:04:25
it's
1:04:25
a
1:04:25
word
1:04:26
that
1:04:26
means
1:04:27
hello
1:04:28
and
1:04:28
goodbye.
1:04:29
So
1:04:29
there
1:04:30
you
1:04:30
go.
1:04:30
Fantastic.
1:04:31
The
1:04:31
other
1:04:31
people
1:04:32
that
1:04:32
I
1:04:32
really
1:04:32
want
1:04:33
to
1:04:33
buy
1:04:33
this
1:04:33
book
1:04:34
are
1:04:34
teachers,
1:04:35
because
1:04:36
teachers.
1:04:37
It
1:04:37
has
1:04:37
all
1:04:37
the
1:04:38
parts
1:04:38
of
1:04:38
the
1:04:38
narrative.
1:04:39
It
1:04:40
has
1:04:40
alliteration.
1:04:41
And
1:04:42
when
1:04:42
the
1:04:42
teacher
1:04:43
said,
1:04:43
hey,
1:04:43
kids,
1:04:44
what?
1:04:44
And
1:04:44
I
1:04:44
read
1:04:45
a
1:04:45
part
1:04:45
of
1:04:45
the
1:04:45
story
1:04:46
and
1:04:46
they
1:04:46
said,
1:04:47
what
1:04:47
is
1:04:47
that?
1:04:47
And
1:04:48
all
1:04:48
their
1:04:48
hands
1:04:49
popped
1:04:49
up.
1:04:49
Alliteration.
1:04:50
We
1:04:50
just
1:04:50
learned
1:04:50
about
1:04:51
alliteration.
1:04:52
It's
1:04:52
interesting
1:04:53
to
1:04:53
talk
1:04:54
about
1:04:54
teachers
1:04:54
because
1:04:55
first
1:04:55
of
1:04:55
all,
1:04:56
about.
1:04:57
I'm
1:04:57
going
1:04:58
to
1:04:58
say
1:04:59
I'm
1:04:59
actually
1:05:00
starting
1:05:00
to
1:05:00
keep
1:05:01
track,
1:05:01
because
1:05:01
it's
1:05:02
quite
1:05:02
interesting.
1:05:03
I'd
1:05:03
say
1:05:03
about
1:05:03
65
1:05:04
to
1:05:05
70%
1:05:05
of
1:05:06
my
1:05:06
guests
1:05:07
have
1:05:07
been.
1:05:08
Were
1:05:08
either
1:05:08
our
1:05:09
retired
1:05:09
teachers,
1:05:10
art
1:05:11
teachers,
1:05:11
former
1:05:12
teachers,
1:05:13
but
1:05:13
they
1:05:13
all
1:05:14
have
1:05:14
a
1:05:15
teaching
1:05:15
background,
1:05:16
which
1:05:16
is
1:05:16
unbelievable.
1:05:18
And
1:05:19
what
1:05:19
it
1:05:19
also
1:05:19
did
1:05:20
for
1:05:20
me
1:05:20
was
1:05:21
when
1:05:21
I'm
1:05:22
part
1:05:22
of
1:05:22
the
1:05:22
LinkedIn
1:05:23
community
1:05:24
and.
1:05:25
But
1:05:26
what
1:05:26
I
1:05:26
noticed
1:05:27
there
1:05:27
was
1:05:27
a
1:05:27
huge
1:05:28
LinkedIn
1:05:29
community
1:05:30
for
1:05:31
teachers.
1:05:32
Yes.
1:05:33
One
1:05:33
of
1:05:33
the
1:05:33
things
1:05:34
that
1:05:34
I've
1:05:34
realized
1:05:35
is
1:05:35
that
1:05:36
when
1:05:36
I'm
1:05:36
talking
1:05:37
to
1:05:38
teachers,
1:05:39
whether
1:05:39
they're
1:05:39
retired
1:05:40
or
1:05:40
former
1:05:41
teachers,
1:05:42
I
1:05:42
thought,
1:05:42
oh,
1:05:43
my
1:05:43
goodness,
1:05:44
they
1:05:44
all
1:05:45
get
1:05:45
it.
1:05:46
And
1:05:46
so
1:05:47
I
1:05:47
knew.
1:05:47
I
1:05:48
just
1:05:48
started,
1:05:49
actually,
1:05:49
I
1:05:49
joined
1:05:49
this
1:05:50
huge
1:05:50
LinkedIn
1:05:51
teachers
1:05:52
group
1:05:52
because
1:05:53
I
1:05:53
knew
1:05:54
I
1:05:54
needed
1:05:55
to
1:05:55
get
1:05:55
your
1:05:55
story
1:05:56
as
1:05:56
a
1:05:56
former
1:05:57
teacher
1:05:58
out
1:05:58
into
1:05:59
the
1:05:59
market.
1:05:59
Because
1:06:00
all
1:06:01
of
1:06:01
those
1:06:01
hundreds
1:06:02
of
1:06:02
thousands
1:06:02
of
1:06:02
teachers,
1:06:04
I'm
1:06:04
sure
1:06:04
a
1:06:05
lot
1:06:05
of
1:06:05
them
1:06:05
are
1:06:05
having
1:06:06
exactly
1:06:06
the
1:06:07
same
1:06:07
thoughts.
1:06:08
One
1:06:08
of
1:06:08
my
1:06:09
first
1:06:09
guests,
1:06:10
she
1:06:10
had
1:06:11
a
1:06:11
story
1:06:12
in
1:06:12
her
1:06:13
for
1:06:13
over
1:06:14
30
1:06:15
years
1:06:15
as
1:06:16
a
1:06:16
teacher,
1:06:17
and
1:06:17
when
1:06:17
she
1:06:17
retired,
1:06:18
she
1:06:18
had
1:06:18
to
1:06:19
get
1:06:19
it
1:06:19
out.
1:06:20
And
1:06:20
now
1:06:20
she's
1:06:21
about
1:06:21
to
1:06:21
launch
1:06:21
her
1:06:22
second
1:06:22
book.
1:06:23
That's
1:06:23
awesome.
1:06:24
Yeah,
1:06:24
it's
1:06:24
incredible.
1:06:25
We
1:06:25
spend
1:06:26
our
1:06:26
whole
1:06:26
life
1:06:27
with
1:06:27
children.
1:06:28
Yes.
1:06:29
And
1:06:29
so
1:06:30
I
1:06:30
think,
1:06:30
like,
1:06:31
that
1:06:31
is
1:06:32
so
1:06:32
near
1:06:32
and
1:06:32
dear
1:06:32
to
1:06:33
our
1:06:33
hearts
1:06:34
that
1:06:34
we
1:06:34
just
1:06:35
want
1:06:35
to
1:06:35
keep
1:06:35
going.
1:06:36
People
1:06:36
say,
1:06:36
do
1:06:36
you
1:06:36
miss
1:06:37
teaching?
1:06:37
And
1:06:38
I'm.
1:06:38
And
1:06:38
I
1:06:39
always
1:06:39
say
1:06:39
I've
1:06:39
got
1:06:39
other
1:06:40
things
1:06:40
going
1:06:40
on,
1:06:40
but
1:06:40
when
1:06:40
I
1:06:41
get
1:06:41
into
1:06:41
the
1:06:41
classroom,
1:06:42
I
1:06:42
think,
1:06:43
why
1:06:43
did
1:06:43
I
1:06:44
ever
1:06:44
leave
1:06:44
this
1:06:45
place?
1:06:45
And
1:06:45
I
1:06:46
had
1:06:46
to
1:06:46
leave
1:06:46
for
1:06:46
different
1:06:47
reasons,
1:06:47
but
1:06:47
I
1:06:47
always
1:06:48
think,
1:06:48
oh,
1:06:48
my
1:06:49
gosh,
1:06:49
I
1:06:49
have
1:06:50
such
1:06:50
a
1:06:50
good
1:06:50
time
1:06:50
with
1:06:51
kids.
1:06:52
Very
1:06:52
special
1:06:52
connection
1:06:53
that
1:06:53
I
1:06:53
think
1:06:54
teachers
1:06:54
have
1:06:55
to
1:06:55
get
1:06:55
their.
1:06:56
They
1:06:56
want
1:06:56
to
1:06:56
keep
1:06:56
teaching,
1:06:57
they
1:06:57
want
1:06:58
to
1:06:58
keep
1:06:58
engaging
1:06:59
with
1:06:59
children.
1:07:00
I
1:07:00
can
1:07:00
see
1:07:01
that.
1:07:01
I
1:07:01
can
1:07:01
hear
1:07:02
that.
1:07:02
Final
1:07:03
thoughts.
1:07:04
So
1:07:04
is
1:07:04
there
1:07:05
anything
1:07:05
that
1:07:06
I
1:07:06
haven't
1:07:06
asked
1:07:07
you
1:07:07
that
1:07:07
you'd
1:07:07
like
1:07:08
to
1:07:08
share?
1:07:09
Whether
1:07:09
it's
1:07:09
two
1:07:10
children's
1:07:11
book
1:07:11
readers,
1:07:12
or
1:07:13
in
1:07:13
a
1:07:13
lot
1:07:13
of
1:07:13
cases,
1:07:14
you
1:07:14
and
1:07:14
I
1:07:14
are
1:07:15
actually
1:07:15
talking
1:07:15
to
1:07:16
parents
1:07:16
and
1:07:16
grandparents
1:07:17
because
1:07:17
they're
1:07:18
the
1:07:18
ones
1:07:18
children
1:07:19
aren't
1:07:19
walking
1:07:19
around
1:07:20
with
1:07:20
$20
1:07:21
in
1:07:21
their
1:07:21
pocket.
1:07:21
To
1:07:21
buy
1:07:22
a
1:07:22
children's
1:07:22
book.
1:07:23
Anything
1:07:23
that
1:07:23
you'd
1:07:24
like
1:07:24
to
1:07:24
say
1:07:24
to
1:07:24
parents
1:07:25
or
1:07:25
grandparents.
1:07:26
Parents
1:07:27
and
1:07:27
or
1:07:28
aspiring
1:07:28
authors,
1:07:29
being
1:07:30
a.
1:07:30
Pub
1:07:30
student
1:07:31
of
1:07:31
publishing
1:07:32
and
1:07:32
a
1:07:32
grandparent.
1:07:33
Take
1:07:34
your
1:07:34
grandchildren
1:07:35
to
1:07:35
the
1:07:35
library
1:07:36
if
1:07:37
you
1:07:37
have
1:07:37
them,
1:07:37
take
1:07:38
them
1:07:38
there
1:07:38
and
1:07:38
read
1:07:39
to
1:07:39
them
1:07:39
there
1:07:39
and
1:07:39
take
1:07:40
people
1:07:40
out
1:07:40
for
1:07:41
them.
1:07:41
If
1:07:41
you're
1:07:42
an
1:07:42
aspiring
1:07:42
author,
1:07:43
go
1:07:44
know
1:07:44
your
1:07:44
shelf.
1:07:45
Go
1:07:45
find
1:07:46
your
1:07:46
comp
1:07:46
titles
1:07:47
and
1:07:47
find
1:07:47
out
1:07:48
what's
1:07:48
actually
1:07:49
getting
1:07:49
into
1:07:50
libraries
1:07:51
and
1:07:51
what's
1:07:51
popular
1:07:52
because
1:07:52
those
1:07:53
are
1:07:53
the
1:07:53
kind
1:07:53
and
1:07:53
find
1:07:54
out
1:07:54
from
1:07:55
your
1:07:55
grandchildren
1:07:56
or
1:07:56
your
1:07:56
students
1:07:56
or
1:07:57
who
1:07:57
whomever,
1:07:58
what
1:07:58
are
1:07:58
the
1:07:59
book?
1:07:59
What
1:07:59
kind
1:07:59
of
1:08:00
books
1:08:00
are
1:08:00
they
1:08:00
gravitating
1:08:01
to?
1:08:01
That
1:08:02
will
1:08:02
give
1:08:02
you
1:08:02
a
1:08:02
big
1:08:02
clue
1:08:03
as
1:08:03
to
1:08:03
where
1:08:04
you
1:08:04
will
1:08:05
be
1:08:05
in
1:08:05
your
1:08:05
market.
1:08:06
Know
1:08:06
your
1:08:07
market.
1:08:07
Joan,
1:08:08
thank
1:08:09
you
1:08:09
so
1:08:09
much
1:08:09
for
1:08:09
being
1:08:10
a
1:08:10
guest
1:08:10
on
1:08:11
the
1:08:11
Adventures
1:08:11
in
1:08:11
the
1:08:12
Heart
1:08:12
of
1:08:12
Children's
1:08:12
Book
1:08:13
Authors
1:08:13
podcast.
1:08:14
Your
1:08:15
generosity
1:08:16
of
1:08:16
time
1:08:17
insights
1:08:17
is
1:08:18
unbelievable.
1:08:19
It's
1:08:19
going
1:08:19
to
1:08:19
benefit
1:08:20
a
1:08:20
lot
1:08:20
of
1:08:20
people,
1:08:21
aspiring
1:08:22
authors
1:08:22
and
1:08:23
readers.
1:08:23
And
1:08:24
I
1:08:24
promise
1:08:25
that
1:08:25
we
1:08:25
will
1:08:25
put
1:08:26
all
1:08:26
of
1:08:26
Joan's
1:08:27
social
1:08:27
media
1:08:28
links
1:08:28
and
1:08:28
her
1:08:28
link
1:08:29
to
1:08:29
her
1:08:29
website
1:08:30
in
1:08:31
our
1:08:31
show
1:08:31
notes.
1:08:32
And
1:08:33
again,
1:08:33
thank
1:08:33
you
1:08:34
so
1:08:34
much,
1:08:34
Joan.
1:08:35
You're
1:08:35
welcome.
1:08:36
It
1:08:36
was
1:08:36
a
1:08:36
real
1:08:36
pleasure
1:08:37
talking
1:08:37
to.