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Normally Podcast: DHS Shutdown Fight, Strong Jobs Report, Crime Drop & Nancy Guthrie Mystery · Normally

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, I normally the show with normalist takes, but when
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  Speaker 1: in the news it's weird.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Mary Catherine's hand and I'm Karl Marcowitz. How are you,
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  Speaker 2: Mary Catherine.
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing all right.
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  Speaker 1: And I forgot that yesterday I forgot I did not
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  Speaker 1: give a or this week, I did not give a
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  Speaker 1: shout out to Charlie Pooths for the National anthem, which.
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  Speaker 3: Was gorgeously arranged, beautifully performed.
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  Speaker 1: He's a great guy as a He has perfect pitch,
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  Speaker 1: so he like knows every note without context.
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  Speaker 3: You can just play him a note and he knows
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  Speaker 3: what it is.
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  Speaker 1: And he does all this like fascinating music theory on
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  Speaker 1: his social media.
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  Speaker 3: And when that flyover happened and he.
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  Speaker 1: Finished, there's a clip on the nfl X account of
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  Speaker 1: him reacting to the anthem and to the moment and
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  Speaker 1: to the flyover, and he is just so obviously tearful,
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  Speaker 1: way honored, and it was such a nice moment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he fit the moment and he sounded greatly. Are
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  Speaker 2: we asking for too much that that's what we're looking
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  Speaker 2: for from the performances, like make them good and don't
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  Speaker 2: make them stand out too much in a negative way. Period, like,
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  Speaker 2: don't make them too scandalous, don't make them too political.
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  Speaker 2: Just a normal show would have done it for everybody.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what it could have been in Spanish.
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  Speaker 2: The Spanish part was really not the problem. It was
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  Speaker 2: the leftism, and the more days go by, the more
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  Speaker 2: that seems to be the message. I think from most
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  Speaker 2: people that the Spanish part was a side issue for
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  Speaker 2: some people, but for the most part, it was what
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  Speaker 2: is he talking about?
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  Speaker 1: My favorite joke is how other Spanish speakers are like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't understand them either.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, all right, you know, so let's get
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  Speaker 2: into it.
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  Speaker 3: Do some news.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, there are fights brewing in Congress. There was
• 1:54
  Speaker 1: a small cr that's the Continuing resolution that we used
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  Speaker 1: to stop gap fund our govern because we don't do
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  Speaker 1: it in a functional fashion.
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  Speaker 2: Were just going to keep talking about that every time
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  Speaker 2: they do it, and everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Like signed off on it, except the part that got
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  Speaker 1: left out was the Department of Homeland Security because the
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  Speaker 1: Democrats want to have a fight about Homeland Security. The
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  Speaker 1: funding for that will run out February thirteenth, this friday,
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  Speaker 1: so they're negotiating about what this looks like the problem
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  Speaker 1: for Democrats in this fight is that they are risking
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  Speaker 1: a shutdown over something like I think they sincerely care
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  Speaker 1: about not doing immigration reform. I think it's a sincere
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  Speaker 1: belief that they hold. But they're going to potentially shut
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  Speaker 1: down the government over something that is not in this
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  Speaker 1: funding bill, right because ice and border patrol were funded
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  Speaker 1: for several years in the one big beautiful bill, so
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  Speaker 1: that's done. The things they are arguing over the thing
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  Speaker 1: they would shut down the government for our FEMA, Coast
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  Speaker 1: Guard and some other thhs TSA, so it won't actually
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  Speaker 1: affect the thing that they are talking about. So that's
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  Speaker 1: where we are on that fight at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: It's like they're scrambling around just to find something to
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  Speaker 2: oppose because that's what gets their people going well.
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  Speaker 1: And they had said, Okay, our ask is the body cams,
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  Speaker 1: and they're like, oh wait, maybe we don't like bodycams.
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  Speaker 1: So it's gonna be hard to make a deal if
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  Speaker 1: you don't know what you want. The other thing they're
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  Speaker 1: asking for is judicial warrants for picking up people who
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  Speaker 1: have final orders of deportation. That is meant to make
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: this process nearly impossible. A final order of deportation, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, means you have had due process. Yeah, that's
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: what that means, You've written through a process. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't agree with that part of it. I think there
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  Speaker 1: are other things that they could make compromises on, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where this is headed, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: think people want to shut down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, although I feel like Americans don't even notice when
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  Speaker 2: there is a shutdown, only the people they aren't getting paid.
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  Speaker 1: They're diminishing returns on the pr hullablue. I'm a shut
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  Speaker 1: down because we do it so much. I did find
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  Speaker 1: it interesting that Dana Bash on CNN asked Hakeem Jeffries
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  Speaker 1: a tough question about this.
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  Speaker 4: Here she is, we know that ICE is completely and
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  Speaker 4: totally out of control. They've gone way too far, and
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  Speaker 4: the American people want them reined in because immigration enforcement
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  Speaker 4: should be fair, it should be just, and it should
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  Speaker 4: be humane. So dramatic changes are necessary to the manner
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  Speaker 4: in which the Department of Homeland Security officers are conducting
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  Speaker 4: themselves before any funding bill should move forward.
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  Speaker 5: So you say very clearly that this, and it's clearer
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  Speaker 5: in your proposals, this is about raining in ICE and
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  Speaker 5: the CBP. But those agencies, as you well now, are
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  Speaker 5: very well funded already through the Big Beautiful Bill Act.
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  Speaker 5: That's what the President called it, and it passed last year.
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  Speaker 5: So what that means is that a shutdown would really
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  Speaker 5: only impact un related agencies FEMA, TSA, FAA. So how
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  Speaker 5: is pushing for these changes and potentially not getting there
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  Speaker 5: help bring in an immigration crackdown?
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  Speaker 2: Wow?
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  Speaker 3: I mean tricky, right?
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  Speaker 1: And whoever's idea it was to put that funding in
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  Speaker 1: the one Big Beautiful Bill very smart.
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  Speaker 3: Brilliant because it forestalled exactly all.
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  Speaker 2: Of this, right this discussion, because yes it was Stephen
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  Speaker 2: Miller on that, but who knows.
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  Speaker 1: But the general mood, like you know, we talked about
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  Speaker 1: the pr fight, there wasn't extremely a beyond expectations jobs
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  Speaker 1: report today that I think signals that if Republicans could
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  Speaker 1: claw back some of the some of the fields, some
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  Speaker 1: of the vibe shift, right that the fact that it
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  Speaker 1: might be happening now in the early part of the
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  Speaker 1: year is very good news for them. There were one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty k jobs posted now that could be revised,
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  Speaker 1: but the forecast was like forty eight to seventy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's a very large number. Particularly in the
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  Speaker 3: AI age.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, unemployment fell to four point three percent. Of course,
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: in the telling of this story, the telling isn't going
• 6:18
  Speaker 2: to be politically neutral, and that's where the Trump administration
• 6:22
  Speaker 2: has its difficulties because when The New York Times writes
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  Speaker 2: about this report, obviously they try to portray it in
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  Speaker 2: the worst manner possible. One of the things that they
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  Speaker 2: say is that maybe companies didn't hire as many people
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  Speaker 2: for the holidays as they normally do, and so that
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: therefore they didn't need to did not need to lay
• 6:41
  Speaker 2: them off in January. Is this possible? Who knows? They
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  Speaker 2: provide no evidence for this whatsoever. It's literally just an
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  Speaker 2: idea they have on their Live Update page about the economy.
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  Speaker 1: That seems like you should back that up with something.
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  Speaker 1: But I do think that Trump and Republicans should not
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  Speaker 1: ignore the environment that they are in. Right to tell
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  Speaker 1: yourself that everyone's getting this message clearly is not wise
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  Speaker 1: because if you listen to Harrietton, who's running the numbers
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  Speaker 1: from the polling on the economy and jobs, he has
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  Speaker 1: this to say about how people are perceiving this, particularly independence.
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  Speaker 6: Donald Trump took a beautiful swan and turned it into
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  Speaker 6: an ugly duckling as far as the American people are concerned,
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  Speaker 6: because these numbers, as John and I were discussing just
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  Speaker 6: before this segment, absolutely crazy, and how the American people
• 7:28
  Speaker 6: have totally turned on Donald Trump. Take a look here,
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  Speaker 6: Trump's net appropriating on jobs and employment in January twenty
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  Speaker 6: twenty five. Look at that overall plus nine points. Hey,
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  Speaker 6: that's pretty good. But down he goes minus thirteen points overall.
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  Speaker 6: But you think that's nuts, Take a look at the independence.
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  Speaker 6: They go from plus seven way way way down off
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  Speaker 6: the screen to minus thirty points. That's a thirty seven
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  Speaker 6: point drop in the net approval for Donald Trump among
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  Speaker 6: independence on the issue of jobs and employments.
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  Speaker 7: Again, with independence, just consistently, we're seeing these staggering changes.
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  Speaker 6: Over just a year, just one years of time.
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  Speaker 7: All right, This next chart is actually the one that
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  Speaker 7: really blew my mind.
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  Speaker 3: It's about people's views of.
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  Speaker 7: The job market in general over a similar period.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, if you think these numbers are crazy, this
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  Speaker 6: next one these are bonkers. Okay, what are we talking
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  Speaker 6: about here? Americans rate the job market is bad or
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  Speaker 6: good February twenty twenty five, equal share say fair or
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  Speaker 6: say bad? Or good forty two, forty two. Look at
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  Speaker 6: this now over just a year's time. Now the clear
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  Speaker 6: majority fifty two percent up like a rocket rate it
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  Speaker 6: as bad, compared to just thirty three percent down in
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  Speaker 6: the basement who rated as good. So what we've seen
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  Speaker 6: is Americans rating the job market. It was an even
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  Speaker 6: split a year ago, and now the clear majority by
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  Speaker 6: a nineteen point margin rate it is bad rather than good.
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  Speaker 6: And that goes a long way to explain why Donald
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  Speaker 6: Trump's numbers on jobs and unemployment have.
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  Speaker 3: Fallen to them.
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  Speaker 7: Just be clear, this is Donald Trump's presidency. During Donald
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  Speaker 7: Trump's presidency, these views have changed a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't, you know. So blame this on just
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  Speaker 2: bad media coverage, which of course I do think deserves
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  Speaker 2: some blame, like media loves to talk down the economy
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  Speaker 2: and Republican as president. But it can't just be that
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  Speaker 2: Americans need to be feeling some other sensation here that
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  Speaker 2: isn't being picked up in the actual numbers. And I
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  Speaker 2: wonder maybe that is just AI on the very near
• 9:23
  Speaker 2: horizon moving towards us and people understanding that things are
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  Speaker 2: going to get tough. I think before you know, if
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  Speaker 2: they get better, I wanted to say before they get better,
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: but that's not a given. This is something really different,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't know if that's really what it is.
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  Speaker 2: If Americans are seeing the AI thing coming at them
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  Speaker 2: and thinking like things are about to get really rough
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: and we're not going to get into this. But there
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: was a big piece today out by this guy named
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  Speaker 2: Matt Schumer, and he said, something big is happening is
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: the name of the piece if you want to look
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  Speaker 2: it up, but it's about how AI is here and
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  Speaker 2: we need to like really reckonize what that means. And
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: he compares it to you know, the water rushing in
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  Speaker 2: and suddenly it's around your chest and you don't realize that.
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  Speaker 2: And that's where we are with AI. Maybe Americans know that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think there's some anxiety about that. And
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  Speaker 1: it's sort of ironic because AI. I think probably a
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: little bit of a bubble is propping up some of
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  Speaker 1: the accompany in the markets, but then it might be
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: making people anxious when.
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  Speaker 3: They look at the outlook for their own lives.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: And you know, he can keep messaging this consistently as
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  Speaker 1: they should all year long, but yes, I do think
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: there's there's something else going on here, and if you
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: have Democrat enthusiasm against Trump plus the falloff in independence,
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: that's a really bad recipe for a midterm that was
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: already going to be hard. Right, although say I should
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: say this started in If it started in January twenty
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: twenty five, it's like, okay, well, this is like the
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  Speaker 1: very beginning of your job.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's like it's like he hadn't done anything yet.
• 10:59
  Speaker 1: But I do think there's there's something more going on
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  Speaker 1: there that they must heed at the White House, because
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: they need to speak to people's actual feelings about this
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  Speaker 1: instead of only throwing numbers at them, which is what
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: Biden tried to do too many times.
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  Speaker 3: He said like, oh no, this is healthy. Look how
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: healthy this is? Right, But if people don't feel it.
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: That doesn't matter. You're up a break exactly. Another issue
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  Speaker 2: is that crime is down significantly, and that's also being
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  Speaker 2: obviously talked about in a way that is very specific
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  Speaker 2: to the Trump administration. Axios had to remove a post
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  Speaker 2: of a story that noted that violent crime dropped sharply
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  Speaker 2: across America's biggest cities in twenty twenty five, and he
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: had to they we've bleaded a previous post of the story,
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: which compared the drop in violent crime to Trump's arguments
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  Speaker 2: for deploying federal troops to US cities, because the headline
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: was like, despite Trump's entry into these cities.
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: Despite Trump's cracked down on crime, right, crime down down?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and yeah. It's interesting the way that it
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: all gets portrayed. Press Secretary Caroline love It said, this
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  Speaker 2: ridiculous framing is why Americans don't trust the media. President Trump,
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: securing the border, mobilizing federal law enforcement to arrest violent criminals,
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: and deporting the worst of the worst illegal aliens is
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  Speaker 2: exactly what's driving the massive drop in crime. The headline
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: again was crime plunges in major cities despite Trump's crackdown rhetoric.
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  Speaker 3: Like, O, guys, that's what's happening here, right.
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: And the thing is, I do I do think people
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: the homicide drop alone while at crime in general, but
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: the homicide drop alone is such a huge story. Now,
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  Speaker 1: it did go up during the twenty twenty to twenty
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  Speaker 1: three insanity period.
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  Speaker 3: But because of liberal policies.
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  Speaker 1: And now it's coming down because someone did the opposite.
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  Speaker 3: That's what happened, and there.
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  Speaker 2: Are some liberals waking up to this, Philopovic tweeted, one
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  Speaker 2: of the things I've really changed my mind on is
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: public order enforcement. I think a lot of liberals, like
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  Speaker 2: me assumed people do things like turnstile jumping, we're poor
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  Speaker 2: or just kids. But it seems like actually a small
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: number of people just do a lot of antisocial shit.
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  Speaker 2: And she was responding to a graph that showed that
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: San Francisco's BART, that's their public transportation system, installed anti
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  Speaker 2: fair hopping gates and the person rights the amount of
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: station maintenance and cleanup they had to do went to
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  Speaker 2: basically zero. So the people who were jumping and not
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: jumping the turnstiles and not paying the fair were also
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: the ones destroying the train station. And you're like, have
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: you heard of Rudy Giuliani and this broken windows theory?
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: Because we knew this in the nineties. Why are you
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: guys so far behind? And why is it such a
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  Speaker 2: battle for you to face reality when it's not what
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  Speaker 2: you wanted it to be. I think, you know, conservatives
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  Speaker 2: change their minds on stuff when new data presents itself.
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  Speaker 8: I wish liberals did that a little bit faster faster. Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: there is a preference just to honor the criminal. There's
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  Speaker 8: just a reflexive need on the left to go, well,
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  Speaker 8: surely this person's rights are important, this person's story makes
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  Speaker 8: them sympathetic. This person should be placed in a hierarchy
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  Speaker 8: above a person who would just like to ride the
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  Speaker 8: bart in peace. But that's not how normal people think.
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  Speaker 8: That's how weirdo ideological people think.
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  Speaker 3: And it was.
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  Speaker 1: The Washington Metro has improved greatly because they've got a
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  Speaker 1: general manager who thinks that fair evasions should be cracked
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  Speaker 1: down upon, and as a result, it's much nicer to
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: ride the Metro. It does the job it's supposed to do,
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  Speaker 1: far better than it did a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 3: And he said, not all fair skippers.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: Commit violent crime and vandalism, but all people who commit
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  Speaker 1: violent crime and vandalism skipped their fair Yep.
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  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I think Rudy Giuliani might have said
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  Speaker 2: those exact words in like nineteen ninety five. But okay,
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  Speaker 2: so it's fine, it's fine, and we'll just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: get to it a little later.
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  Speaker 3: Here learn the lesson again. How many pandemics will it
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  Speaker 3: take to learn the lesson? One wonders. Anyway, I don't
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: want to get too dark.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Jill also tweeted about Washington, DC, and she said
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: that there was an article in the Washington Post that
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: basically found that some huge percentage of crime in Washington,
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: d C. Was committed by like three hundred people, just
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of crimes by people who crimed over
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: and over and over again. It's like, yeah, yes, what
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: we know about this?
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, and you revolving dured them for years and years
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: and years to trample the rights of everyone else in
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  Speaker 1: your city. It is a wild thing that they have
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: been in favor of.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Not great. And if we could just I mean I
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: say we, but I mean them, if they could just
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: let go of blaming making sure that Donald Trump doesn't
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: receive credit for anything, we could all live better.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If we just follow policies that have worked before, despite
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Trump being in support of them, that would be a
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  Speaker 2: good thing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and even if you're a person who has some
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: misgivings about, okay, how is this being conducted right on
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  Speaker 1: the margins in National Guard or with whomever, one must
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  Speaker 1: admit nonetheless that a one hundred year low in some
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  Speaker 1: places in homicides is good.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: That the city of DC going many weeks without a
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  Speaker 3: murder at a time is good that I believe that. Yeah.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: The fact that I can go to Union Station and
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: not be harassed or possibly threatened is good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: People like that.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I like that. I like when no crime is committed
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  Speaker 2: around me. It's just it's a plus for me.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: It's a plus. It's a plus.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: All Right, We're going to take a short break and
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: come back to the biggest story in the normy world,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: which we have not talked about at all, the disappearance
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: of Nancy Guthrie, the mom of Savannah Guthrie, And we'll.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: Be right back to discuss that.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: We are back on normally. Where Nancy Guthrie has been
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: missing for today is twelve days. By the time you
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: hear this, it might be thirteen days. And a local
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: delivery driver was taken into custody and questioned for several
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: hours on Tuesday about the abduction, but then he was released.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: He seemed to be very surprised about being taken in.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: He had not heard of the TV personality or her mom,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: And yeah, they really have seemed to have no leads.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Is where this is now? The thing is that I
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: hear from a lot of people, why is this such
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: a big story, and I have to say, I think
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: this should be a big story. I am not a
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: true crime I'm person in any way, so I'm not
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: like following this with all the details, and I'm not
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: trying to find the real killer or you know, kidnapper
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: in this case with everybody. But I absolutely think a
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: woman in her eighties taken out of her home, possibly
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: for because her daughter is famous and they want to
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: have a ransom. Yes, I do think that should be
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: a story. She's eighty four years old and kidnapped from
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: her house. Blood on the porch. Yeah, I think that
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: deserves to be a large national story where we don't
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: shrug our shoulders and say, yeah, kidnapped senior citizen, what
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: are you going to do?
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it might shine light on other instances
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: where this happened that have gotten less attention. I think
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of people feel connected to Savannah Gusrie, particularly
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: when you do a morning show. I did a morning
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: show on radio for a couple of years or even
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I think it's just for one year. It was many
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: years ago. People still identify me with that morning show
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: because when you wake up with a personality and you're
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: hearing about their life every day and you're connecting with
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: them while you're having your coffee. It is a It
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: is a real thing. It's the parasocial relationship. So I
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: think a lot of people feel connected to Spannah Guthrie.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: They see their mother in her mother and the fright
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: over the idea that this could happen. It's also there's
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of intrigue that there's been rumors that it
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: might be a family member. There's are rumors that it
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: could be based on Savannah being famous. There are video
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: of Savannah and her brothers and sisters speaking to camera
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: trying to reach the person who might be holding their mother. Right.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: There's a lot here, and there are a lot of
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: ambusur sleuths who want to get tautamas. I likes I
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: like you am sort of like non normy on this
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: because I am not bought in on true crime as
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: it's happening. If you give me a documentary with all
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: the facts later, I will watch it.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: But I get a.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Little nervous about the speculation and being careful about these
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: things while it's happening.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: But uh, the you know, the ring camera video of
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: a man coming to.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Her door very very creepy with a mask on, possibly
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: two masks on. It's very unclear whether that where you
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: can see his eyes are actually his eyes. If so,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: he has very distinctively groomed eyebrows. So look into that everybody,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: and it's very creepy. I would also add, just as
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: an addendum to our topic the other day, the ring camera.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: She did not have a subscription that she was paying
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: for and have it anyway.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: FBI nonetheless has the videos.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Just that's why I everyone it's definitely just for looking
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: for dogs anyway.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: I am.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I am glad if it helps in this case, but
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: that was an interesting good of information for me, and
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I really hope she can get home safe.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: This is a very scary situation.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: The thing is, it's so scary that it's been so
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: long and they have very little to go on. But yeah,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: we're obviously praying for her safe return. We're not going
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: to be sensationalizing it here and talking about possible motives
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: and situations when nobody really seems to know anything. Yeah, well,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: well she gets home.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I wanted to add one thing that our friend Nancy Rammelman,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: who is a great follow on ex at Nancy ram Romm.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: She wrote a piece that sort of it fits in
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: with this, like all of our worries about our elderly
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: relatives as they age and if they're alone. She wrote
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: a piece for Real Clear Investigations called Caring for Mom
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: as an Education in scams and fraud. And this is
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: a freight train that is coming for the aging population.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the AI voice scams. I mean people were
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: doing scams on the elderly over the phone without the
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: AI voice technology, and it is going to get worse.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: And I do think there are ways that with code
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: words and such, you can protect your loved ones and
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: try to be as proactive about educating people as possible
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: on these fronts. So I would recommend that as a
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: read as we think about, Yeah, these worries as we
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: move forward.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Absolutely have a conversation with anybody in your life. I
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: would say old or young, because there's always these stories
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: about like a thirty something who ends up giving away
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: their life savings and you know, to a scammer on
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: the phone. It's older people are definitely more susceptible to
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: these scams. But I think I've had this conversation definitely
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: with my mom, but also with you know, friends my
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: age and also with my children. Just don't somebody calls
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: you and it sounds like me, or it sounds like
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: someone you know. Hang up, call that person back, It
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter. Just hang up and call call the person
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: that they're claiming to be. Yes, but don't believe anything.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Don't answer your phone is actually my message, and like, well,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: don't believe and have them leave a message.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: A good A good one to a good.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Rule of some I think is not to always believe
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: the sense of urgency from whatever rando is calling you
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: on your phone, because they inculcate a sense of urgency
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: on purpose so that you then start to panic about
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: whatever this situation is, and that sort of shuts off
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: the thinking part of your brain.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: I almost got fished the other day by the Kurt
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Loader hack.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh yeah, let me help out Kurt Loader,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: and then I was like, Kurt Loader doesn't be my help?
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: What is that? I was like, you would never, I mean,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: none of your friends would ever DM you and be
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: like vote for me in this contest. In fact, you
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: know which friends would and it wouldn't be you know
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: what I mean.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking of them now, I do wish for a
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: safe resolution to this. It's very bizarre. And I was
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: down in Richmond lobbying my legislatures, not state legislators, not
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: to ruin private schooling because that's what they're up to
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: in Virginia.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: They want to just turn it into public schools, which
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: is fun since they failed us for a couple of years.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: But anyway, I was down there talking to the normies
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: and guess what the normies first.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Asked me about Nancy Guthrie. Wow, that's what everybody wants
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: to talk about.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Well, if we hear anything else, we'll have more news
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: in the next few episodes, but for now, which pray
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: for the Guthrie family. Yeah, be right back with more
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: on Normally. We are back on Normally where reports last
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: week revealed that to forty percent of students at Stanford University,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: one of the top top schools in the country, are
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: claiming to have a disability in order to get special
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: accommodations and that stuff like more time on tests or
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: extra time to study things like that. It's really insane
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: that the numbers are this high, and it frankly sounds
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: like a lot of them just make it up. They
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: get things like being alone in a room on a
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: t to take test or exemptions from certain requirements. It's bananas.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: And again Stanford and at schools at Brown and Harvard,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: more than twenty percent now register as disabled in this
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: way well.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: And they also get sometimes their own room.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: If they have social anxiety, they get a solar room,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: which used to be very sought after and kind of
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: the slope here. The slippery slope here has been The
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Americans Disabilities Act in nineteen ninety was supposed to allow
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: for many important accommodations for people to be able to
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: get into buildings to be part of higher education when
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: they couldn't before, and then in two thousand and eight
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: they sort of widened it and encouraged people to include
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: other more lax medical diagnoses mental health issues, psychological health issues,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: and as the number of people who either self diagnosed
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: or are diagnosed with these ADHD with anxiety, with depression,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: as that goes up in these elite colleges, it becomes
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: the way to compete is that you end up getting
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: more help and more accommodations because if you claim this,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: which is pretty easy to do, they've taken all the
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: verification requirements down quite a bit.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Then there you are.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: You're off to the races with not the same hurdles
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: as a student who doesn't claim any of these things.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: And there's an Atlantic piece on this that notes if
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: the rise and accommodations were purely a result of more
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: disabled students making it to college, the increase would be
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: more pronounced at less selective institutions than so called ivy
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Bluss schools. In fact, the opposite appears to be true.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: According to Robert Weiss, he's a psychology professor's research, only
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: three to four percent of students at public two years
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: two year colleges receive accommodations, a proportion that has stayed
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: relatively stable over the past ten to fifteen years. So
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: it's definitely still in those areas.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have you know, I have a son
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: who gets accommodations and often chooses not to, which also
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: drives me crazy. But you know that's the thing. The
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: people who get like say extra time on tests, like
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: they're often like, I don't want it. I don't want
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: to be different from my classmates. But then you get
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: to this like cutting, you know, cutthroat environment, and they're like,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I do want it. I want to I want to
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: be better than my classmates at any cost. Yes, And
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: the thing is that, like, of course, that you can
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: concentrate better if you're sitting in your own room. My
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: other son was that he's really into history. He goes
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: to these history comps Petitians, and last week we were
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: at a history competition and I was like, Oh, I
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: feel like he's going to like smoke these other kids.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: And then this kid like starts talking to him like
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: just making friends banter, and I'm like, oh, it's over this.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: He's going to be so focused on this new friend
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: that he's like yeah, and he came in second. But
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, had he not made a new friend,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: he would.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Have been in first. That's amazing, you know, all right, but.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: At least he knows how to make friends. You gotta
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: say that. That's like, you know, that's more important, right
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: than coming in first.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: He's not going to turn out like one of these
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: students in this Atlantic story that one administrator told me
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: that a student at a public college in California had
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: permission to bring their mother to class. This became a
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: problem because the mom turned out to be an enthusiastic
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: class participant. Actually that kid of yours might enjoy that
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: accommodation and you participated in class.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, he would enjoy it and I would not.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: They also note, and I think this is important that
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: and I think it comes from social media. A lot
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: of these students are starting to view this as the identity,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: and by the time colleges see them, they've self diagnosed
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: with neurodevelopmental disorders that they may not even have.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: True, this is byttributing all their difficulties to a disability.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: They are pathologizing normal challenges, which is the thing that
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: we see over and over again that worries us and
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: that I refuse to do with my kids.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, you don't want them
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: to internalize their struggles and turn it into their personality.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: And the fact that some of these kids don't even
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: have struggles and that becomes their whole personality, it's kind
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: of a problem. I forgot the name of the comedian
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: on SNL, but he said, like him and his sister
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: tried to get depression, but their mom wouldn't let them
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: because she was an immigrant.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: She was like, like, you're depressed. No, yes, he's fantastic.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so good. Also at Stanford, they are doing an
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: experiment where they built a match making algorithm. A student
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: built a match making algorithm and it has consumed the
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: school because every week singles get a match in their
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: you know, inbox and you're matched with somebody, and it's
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: become such a huge deal. Matches drop every Tuesday night.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Students huddle in dorm rooms and libraries to find out
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: who the algorithm chose for them. It's a real big
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: deal and it's interesting because they're so excited about this
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: and it is clearly because they don't know how to
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: meet people on their own. I love it because why not, like,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: at least you get a chance to meet somebody, at
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: least you have a chance at having a date and
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: all of that. But it's wild that this is where
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: we are, like here is your date for the week.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I'm always torn on these things because I don't begrudge
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: a new tool for meeting people, right, I think that's
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: you know, but I think we did get so far
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: into optimization, and we get so far into so many choices.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: But then you're like you're always doing the grasses greener thing.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: You're not really evaluating, You're not enjoying these dates. I
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: do hope that maybe it encourages more people to when
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: they get that prompt to go maybe I should go
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: out in real life and hang out with this person.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: But I hate to sound like an old fogy, but man,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: you just really used to go to the bar and
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: say hi to people.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: That was Yeah, the algorithm did not do it for.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: You, right, And the thing is that they're using the
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: algorithm to talk to people who they already like in
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: real life. So here's a story of freshman Wilson Adkins
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: began chatting with a girl from his dorm just as
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: date dropped this is the name of the app was
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: getting buzz. His friends took notice. A feature allows users
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: to couple two people to boost their odds of matching.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Students get an email alert if their friends propose a
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: match for them. Adkins got three. At once, I knew
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: they were conspiring, he said. Sure enough, Adkins and his
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: classmate were paired with a ninety nine point seven percent
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: compatibility score. So now it looks like I had been
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: scheming and forcing this to happen, Atkins said, But now
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: they're hanging out. So yeah, if you didn't need the app,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: you were already talking well.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: And also that seems like just an old version of
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: peer pressure put online.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Like in the old days, they just be like, y'all
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: like each other.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: They tease you about it, right, and then these two
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: people would actually talk to each other if they were
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: nervous before.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: They called it shipping, Mary Catherine, I learned that from
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: my teenagers. They ship their friends like the shift their friends.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Well, yep, I guess you can do it on an
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: app now.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can do it without the app, you
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: really could. Whatever whatever way you crazy kids need to
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: make it happen. You know, go meet some people in
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: real life life, even if you have to meet them
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: online first.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Just get out there, man, You can.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Get out there.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: That you made up.
• 31:56
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• 31:59
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• 32:02
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