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Divine Rhythm with Londrelle · Deeply Well with Devi Brown

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Speaker 1: Mm from grandmothers who whispered in their baby girl in
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Speaker 1: two fathers on dimly lit street corners, instructing young soldiers
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Speaker 1: to always keep their eyes open. You be queen, you
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Speaker 1: were fired. You will pass through centuries on the hands
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Speaker 1: of your daughters. They called you wisdom. Proverbs on the
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Speaker 1: backs of diamond eyed school children who growing into hymnals
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Speaker 1: recited by amethyst holding urban philosophers who recited neighborhood commandments
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Speaker 1: out of the windows of restored Alchemedo cheriots to keep
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Speaker 1: the warmth of their blood. Be wise, be smart, being black,
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Speaker 1: Opal Brown courts bloodstone and prayer. Be every form of
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Speaker 1: Jim se King told, scribe, scribe, told son, son, told wife,
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Speaker 1: wife told her daughter, and daughter told the as this is.
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Speaker 1: And the ancestors told me that you would come to
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Speaker 1: give wisdom. Thousands. They said you would come dropping Dropping Jim. Hey,
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Speaker 1: welcome back another episode of the Dropping Gym's podcast per Usual.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Stebbie Brown. Thank you for being here.
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Speaker 1: This is where we explore higher consciousness for real life
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Speaker 1: and hopefully drop a few gyms along the way. Big
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Speaker 1: little subscription hit subscribe all the things. Uh, and today
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Speaker 1: is going to be a really juicy conversation. I feel
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Speaker 1: really excited about today. UM. I feel grateful and excited
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Speaker 1: for every guest that Grace's this show. But today's guest
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Speaker 1: is someone that I've been following on Instagram and following
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Speaker 1: their music, and I really connected so deeply when I
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Speaker 1: was introduced to their most recent album, UM and just
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Speaker 1: sitting with the words and finding so much connection between
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Speaker 1: my spiritual lineage and his. So Today's guest is Lingdrelle,
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Speaker 1: and Atlanta based poet, author, and musician well known for
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Speaker 1: his spiritual poetry. His music uniquely combines ancient yoga philosophy
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Speaker 1: with Southern hip hop culture see Guys I Mean Sold
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Speaker 1: Lundrelle has indefinitely released six studio albums, two of which
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Speaker 1: Stay Free and Self Care Package were released this year
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Speaker 1: under his label Eternal Sunshine. As a self published author,
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Speaker 1: he has released two books. His book on self help poetry,
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Speaker 1: also entitled Eternal Sunshine, was released in two thousand seventeen,
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Speaker 1: and he continues to inspire and illuminate minds. Lundrelle is
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Speaker 1: also the creator and voice of the popular mindful and
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Speaker 1: meditation app Eternal Sunshine, which provides daily inspiration and mindfulness
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Speaker 1: talks to its nearly one million daily users on job.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Thank you. It is a pleasure
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Speaker 1: and an honor and a blessing to finally be here
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Speaker 1: in the physical I know we have tons of interactions online,
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Speaker 1: uh you, me and Darlene and Becca as well, and
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Speaker 1: it's so great to to just be here in the
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Speaker 1: physical presence um and it just feel you're you're loving
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Speaker 1: vibrations here and now in the physical. Yeah, so beautiful.
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Speaker 1: I'm so happy. I'm so happy to be spending this
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Speaker 1: time with you. I Um, a friend actually deemed me
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Speaker 1: some tracks from your album earlier in the year, and
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Speaker 1: I clicked on your page and I was just like,
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Speaker 1: oh wow, oh this this feels like deepest truth, Like
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Speaker 1: I just really connected and I started listening to your
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Speaker 1: work and it was really interesting for me, like I
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Speaker 1: love I love the whole. I love the way you
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Speaker 1: share your gift. And as someone that came from the
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Speaker 1: music industry and from a music background and really felt
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Speaker 1: called to move in a different space, um, a lot around.
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Speaker 1: A lot of it was around the music that I
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Speaker 1: was playing every day when I worked on the radio,
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Speaker 1: Like I loved it. Hip hop is what made me
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Speaker 1: really start my career and broadcasting. But then there were
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Speaker 1: so many things that I'd play and I'd say, ah,
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Speaker 1: I mean like I don't want to tell you all
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Speaker 1: to do drugs, Like I don't want to tell you
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Speaker 1: guys to have um sex that feels meaningless or minimizing,
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Speaker 1: Like I don't want to have enthusiasm as I introduce
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Speaker 1: themes that I think are actually really repressive to our
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Speaker 1: minds and our souls and um, really limiting. And so
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Speaker 1: when I was able to start playing your album, it
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Speaker 1: just engulfed me. I mean, you were speaking my language,
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Speaker 1: you were speaking I was like, oh my god, yes,
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Speaker 1: I love that. Oh that piece of philosophy meant so
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Speaker 1: much to me. And you know, when I was hearing
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Speaker 1: the way that you so beautifully just blended these world worlds,
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Speaker 1: you know, like just used it really felt like you
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Speaker 1: were like a divine translator of this really ancient work
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Speaker 1: and this ancient path and sharing it in a way
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Speaker 1: that you know, sonically, it's like the vibrations right you're
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Speaker 1: so important and like invadic lineage. Um, you know I
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Speaker 1: learned P s M. That's how I meditate mantra based
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Speaker 1: in script sounds and so what that does to the
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Speaker 1: inside of you, right, Like the vibration don't even have
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Speaker 1: to have words as a translation. It's the tone. It's
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Speaker 1: the vibrational quality in your face and your body. And
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Speaker 1: so hearing your music, I was just like, oh wow, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: he's on a mission to heal. Yeah, that's a beautiful reflection.
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Speaker 1: And I truly do agree that the music of the
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Speaker 1: like manstream music, Um, it's it's truly trapped music. It
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Speaker 1: keeps you trapped encyclical living, um, you know, emotions and
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Speaker 1: things of that in that nature and you're never really
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Speaker 1: consciously you know, living out your your life. And so
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Speaker 1: I think I make liberation music instead of trapped music.
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Speaker 1: I make music to liberate, you know, to liberate others
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Speaker 1: and to liberate myself. And I guess that's why my
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Speaker 1: last album was you know, stay free, stay free, stay liberated,
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Speaker 1: and you know, just you know, live consciously, live mindfully,
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Speaker 1: um and live soulfully, I should say, And because that
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Speaker 1: is our nature and you know, um, I create music
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Speaker 1: from the soul, you know, and like you said, translating that,
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Speaker 1: so I get downloads all the time. You know. My
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Speaker 1: downloads are in the form of poetry, um and music
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Speaker 1: and song. And you know, the practice, you know, just
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Speaker 1: prepares me to receive. And I just allow myself to
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Speaker 1: be a vessel, allow myself to be an instrument, and
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Speaker 1: just you know, do the work and let the work
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Speaker 1: do itself. Yeah, that's good. Let the work do itself. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because it's not all about working, you know. And I
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Speaker 1: think we use that term because it is. It's a
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Speaker 1: beautiful work. It's a delicate work, very systematic work. But
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Speaker 1: so many people stay from the path because you hear
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Speaker 1: the word work and it's oh, but life is already
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Speaker 1: hardy do I want? It's playing? Right, It's the it's
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Speaker 1: the divine play that we're in. It's a dance. And
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Speaker 1: so you know, we can make it work, and it
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Speaker 1: can be very strenuous, and we can struggle and all
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Speaker 1: that that struggle is truly self inflicted. But if we
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Speaker 1: learn to dance and play with it, because we are
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Speaker 1: co creating, co creators, and this experience and everything is
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Speaker 1: working for us, you know, everything is working for us,
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Speaker 1: and everything is you know, everything works for the greater
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Speaker 1: good of each and every person involved, you know, So
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Speaker 1: it's not so much work, it's more so uh, cooperative
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Speaker 1: collaboration with life and with each other, active participation. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So I've got to know more about your path to yourself.
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Speaker 1: So a little bit of your background. You were born
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Speaker 1: in Florida, right, I was born in Florida, born in Florida.
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Speaker 1: Moved to Atlanta around two thousand and twelve. You went
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Speaker 1: to the Thune Cookman University, so you were I mean
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Speaker 1: you're steeped in culture. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How did you
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Speaker 1: find specifically the Vedic path? Because the Vedic path, I
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Speaker 1: think we've all those who are awakened in this moment.
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Speaker 1: I believe you know, we've always been awakened. It's just remembering.
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Speaker 1: So we'll remember little moments in our childhood where you're like,
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Speaker 1: oh wow, I was wise as fuck, Like how did
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Speaker 1: I know? Like you know, um, and then you get
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Speaker 1: like more layers. But I think huge shifts really in
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Speaker 1: the way that I've noticed. It really started happening around
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Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen. I think where so many of
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Speaker 1: us there was something I don't know yet what it was.
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Speaker 1: I've looked into the astrology of it, but there was
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Speaker 1: something in the air that really shifted things for a
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Speaker 1: lot of us and made us I feel maybe I'm
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Speaker 1: just speaking for myself, but really kicked purpose and to
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Speaker 1: overdrive in a new way, you know. Um. And I like,
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Speaker 1: I've been on this path my whole life. And I
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Speaker 1: was like definitely the middle schooler that read self help
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Speaker 1: books and stuff. I didn't know what the hell any
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Speaker 1: of it. I was intellectualized that I was interested. Um.
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Speaker 1: But when I really connected specifically to like primordial sound
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Speaker 1: meditation and the path of Vidic wisdom and you know,
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Speaker 1: reading reading all the sacred text that that was my deepening.
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Speaker 1: I think that was my biggest undoing. And it is
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Speaker 1: rare that I find other people, especially other people from
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Speaker 1: our community, that chose that specific lineage. And so how
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Speaker 1: did you how did you return home in this way? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: And I was about to say it was a returning
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Speaker 1: home and I think it's just coming back to remembering, um.
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Speaker 1: And it was in two thousand and fifteen, so around
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Speaker 1: like two thousand and sixteen, where where you said. I
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Speaker 1: think during that time it was just a lot of
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Speaker 1: things for me. It was on like social media, like traumatizing,
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Speaker 1: just scenes and depictions of you know, black men being
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Speaker 1: black men, and women and children being murdered, and that
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Speaker 1: kind of like you know, traumatized us into awakening and
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Speaker 1: to seeking UM. And for me, that that just around
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Speaker 1: the time where I found um or came home to
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Speaker 1: because you know, Vedic literature and philosophy sound it feels
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Speaker 1: so much like home to me, so much like home
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Speaker 1: to me. Even the words just I picked up, you know,
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Speaker 1: I picked up the baggid and I just automatically started
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Speaker 1: to you know, I'd like to understand and to be
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Speaker 1: able to find the tongue for the Sanskrit, you know,
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Speaker 1: without even like you know, trying, without even like um,
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Speaker 1: having any introduction to it before. Then you know, it
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Speaker 1: just kind of came back natural to me. UM. So
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Speaker 1: I know that somewhere in my existent existence I had
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Speaker 1: studied or I had been a practitioner. But it was
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Speaker 1: in two thousand fourteen for me when I first started
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Speaker 1: really to go deeper inward um and just seeking more
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Speaker 1: meanings to life. I'm a natural seeker um, and I
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Speaker 1: always like question things and inquire about things, but two
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Speaker 1: thousand fourteen is when I really like became a true seeker. UM.
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Speaker 1: I think it started UM with the death of Michael
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Speaker 1: Brown and Us Ferguson and I had organized the run
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Speaker 1: from Atlanta to St. Louis eight hundred and forty mile
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Speaker 1: run UM as a way to raise awareness for that
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Speaker 1: situation and raised funds for the UM for the family
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Speaker 1: UM during their time of grief and during their time
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Speaker 1: of need. UM. And so I organized the run, me
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Speaker 1: and a partner, ME and my friend. We ran every
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Speaker 1: day for twenty one days from from Atlanta to uh
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Speaker 1: St St. Louis Ferguson, Missouri. UM. Very tiring, very daunting,
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Speaker 1: very just like I just shed a lot in that
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Speaker 1: as well. You know, you know, we were in like
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Speaker 1: forty miles a day, UM, and you know, uh, there's
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Speaker 1: pictures on the internet. When we finally arrived there, you know,
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Speaker 1: I was just bawling out in tears, just because you know,
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Speaker 1: giving so much life, energy, life force to a cause,
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Speaker 1: to a purpose really opened me up to universal service,
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Speaker 1: universal compassion, universal love and just you know, carrying on
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Speaker 1: a deeper and more profound level for for someone outside
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Speaker 1: of myself, UM, and you know the world at large.
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Speaker 1: And so I did that and maybe like a few
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Speaker 1: a few months later, Um, I was just doing some
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Speaker 1: backpacking because I was still so searching, because I was
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Speaker 1: trying to cope with these new thoughts, these new downloads,
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Speaker 1: this new understanding, this new clarity and life, this new
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Speaker 1: perception of life. UM and I UM. I was traveling
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Speaker 1: by foot from from Atlanta to d C. This time
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Speaker 1: for the fiftieth anniversary of the Million Man March, I believe,
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Speaker 1: and so I just decided to to backpack there and
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Speaker 1: also raise money for the for for Sandra Blend and
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Speaker 1: her family as well. UM. But on that on that journey,
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Speaker 1: I just started to I would stay in hotels like
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Speaker 1: that were owned by Indian people or or or Hindu
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Speaker 1: people or are I'll just go to a gas station
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Speaker 1: and I'll see just like an arms symbol, or I'll
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Speaker 1: just see something, uh a deity. But I didn't really
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Speaker 1: like pay attention to it. And one one day, UM,
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Speaker 1: it had been raining all day, UM, and I was
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Speaker 1: running in the rain all day. And usually I just
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Speaker 1: stay in the hotel one day and and leave as
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Speaker 1: I'm traveling, but this day it just it would not
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Speaker 1: stop raining, would not stop raining. And so the next
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Speaker 1: day I got up to leave, I just asked, can
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Speaker 1: I have an extra day? And as I was leaving
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Speaker 1: the lobby, there was a book. There was a Boggle
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Speaker 1: of Agia on the on the table, and automatically I
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Speaker 1: just picked it up and I haven't put it down since.
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Speaker 1: And so, yeah, that was kind of my reintroduction to
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Speaker 1: UM Eastern philosophy because I had not read, like I
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Speaker 1: guess the closest thing to Eastern Philosophy I probably have
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Speaker 1: ever read before then was probably The Alchemist and that
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Speaker 1: type of poetic type, neistical type UM explanation and storyline.
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Speaker 1: But UM, I picked up the bogg of Geta then,
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Speaker 1: and you know, I've been just picking up Eastern philosophy
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Speaker 1: and traditions UM ever since. And it resonates so deeply
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Speaker 1: with me. Yeah, that's so beautiful. That book is so
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Speaker 1: um delicious, like it's a feast that I remember when
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Speaker 1: I first read that book, I was actually doing UM.
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Speaker 1: I was doing the P s M training at chopra
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Speaker 1: Um that might have been roomy was a big piece
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Speaker 1: of like my journey, like hearing UM the beauty in
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Speaker 1: the language of connecting to yourself, also the ideology around
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Speaker 1: allowing darkness to be your candle, you know, like allowing
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Speaker 1: your darkness to be your light. That was the piece
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Speaker 1: that I think began to teach me grace about being
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Speaker 1: able to be steeped in the process, you know. And
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Speaker 1: I think even reflecting back to how we were starting
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Speaker 1: this conversation around work, it's like, you know, a lot
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Speaker 1: of the work is us just moving our mind around
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Speaker 1: to be able to understand that things don't have to
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Speaker 1: be hard, that there is opportunity to heal with grace
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Speaker 1: and ease, um and beauty, you know, the beautiful language, hearing, hearing,
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Speaker 1: spiritual reflections. M Yeah, that's truly that, that is truly, uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, beautiful that we can draw upon words for
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Speaker 1: for life. You know, Um, I have I have a
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Speaker 1: way with words, but I have a relationship with words
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Speaker 1: as well. I can just actually like just coming up
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Speaker 1: with them, reading them. There it's just a life in
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Speaker 1: its own and um, like you said, you know, we
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Speaker 1: go back to we just have to move on our
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Speaker 1: minds around to you know, receive the words and receive
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Speaker 1: the energy behind the words, because sometimes it's not just
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Speaker 1: the words, it's the energy that comes that the consciousness
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Speaker 1: behind those words. Even the person like you know, uh, roomy.
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Speaker 1: You know there's a consciousness behind his words, and so
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Speaker 1: receiving his words, you have receiving you have received his vibrations,
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Speaker 1: his energy, his consciousness, and that's what with anything. And
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Speaker 1: you know, even words that we don't understand, like a
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Speaker 1: different language or sanscrit and mantras especially, they are so
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Speaker 1: powerful though they may just like look like words, and
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Speaker 1: you know, sounds and vibrations that that work, that work
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Speaker 1: on on the being and the body and the emotions
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Speaker 1: in a very subtle way. And as you know, they're
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Speaker 1: like tools and instruments too. And UM sometimes can be
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Speaker 1: used as weapons um, especially in Um in ancient sense
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Speaker 1: created history, you know, mantos was used. Words were used
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Speaker 1: as weapons and ways of um and battle and things
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Speaker 1: of that nature. And they speak about that in the
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Speaker 1: box of a guida um the counk sheils and each
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Speaker 1: each um, each ponderva Um warrior had different kunk shells
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Speaker 1: and you know they use those kunk shells to to fight,
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Speaker 1: you know, and battles. So you know, words have truly
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Speaker 1: words for me, our life, words for me a life. Wow,
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Speaker 1: let's talk about so you have quite the body of work.
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Speaker 1: And you know when I when I found your your
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Speaker 1: project that I let off with, UM, your most recent
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Speaker 1: which was Stay Free, And then I've been investigating you
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Speaker 1: have a total of six albums that you've released since
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Speaker 1: twenty x team, and I'd love to I'd love to
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Speaker 1: really explore because as you're talking about, even like you
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Speaker 1: always knew you had a gift of words, like, it
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Speaker 1: seems that words have always been your destiny. Um, and
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Speaker 1: you originally use words through poetry. How did you find
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Speaker 1: that language was your key even before you transitioned into
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Speaker 1: the first album, even before you transitioned I think to
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Speaker 1: this Vedic path, like, how did you unlock that words
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Speaker 1: were your tool? Um? I think it started really as
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Speaker 1: uh in childhood because I wasn't really a speaker. I'm not.
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Speaker 1: I'm still just not much of a like an extra
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Speaker 1: varied person just talking all the time. I was very quiet.
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Speaker 1: But because of my upbringing, UM, you know, childhood trauma,
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Speaker 1: UM you know, and living living with a parent who
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Speaker 1: was very violent and rageful and things of that nature,
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Speaker 1: very abusive mentally, verbally and physically. UM, it kind of
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Speaker 1: pushed me deeper within myself. UM. I was always already
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Speaker 1: introspective and introverted, but being in a in a household
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Speaker 1: that didn't encourage expressiveness or vulnerability. Um, I had to
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Speaker 1: find that space within myself. I had to create that space, um,
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Speaker 1: within myself. And um, you know, I hardly remember any
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Speaker 1: of my childhood because I was totally disassociating from my environment.
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Speaker 1: But words weren't my escape. And through words I found
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Speaker 1: I created new worlds within myself. Um. And through writing,
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Speaker 1: I created, you know, new a new reality for me
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Speaker 1: that I could just go in and escape too. So
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Speaker 1: I guess you know, my writings were my My writings
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Speaker 1: were the result of me trying to communicate with or
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Speaker 1: my highest self, trying to communicate you know, with me
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Speaker 1: in my my lowest state and you know, being a
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Speaker 1: child and things of that nature. So that's how I
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Speaker 1: became acquainted with words and trusting words and just the
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Speaker 1: relationship and the connection that I have with words. That
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Speaker 1: was like the every beginning. And so I started right
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Speaker 1: just writing it probably not poetry, but just starting started writing,
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Speaker 1: like um when I was a kid, and um, just
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Speaker 1: to escape my uh seeming reality. UM that was so
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Speaker 1: very like daunting at times and hunting at times, and
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Speaker 1: just you know, I did not as a kid, I
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Speaker 1: did not want to live. I did not want to
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Speaker 1: be alive because it was just just that that treacherous,
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Speaker 1: even in my home, um, and even outside of my homes.
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Speaker 1: So words were my escape. You know, words were my escape,
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Speaker 1: um and they still are. They still are a way
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Speaker 1: to escape and create. Um what I say, Once they
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Speaker 1: create words free me words free me now um. And
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Speaker 1: so yeah, that was like the very beginning of my writings.
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Speaker 1: And then in high school it developed too more to
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Speaker 1: more poetry and hit that hip hop because that was
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Speaker 1: the culture and it still is the culture. And and
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Speaker 1: so that was like the thing to do. That's what
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Speaker 1: you see on TV. So you you emulate. You know,
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Speaker 1: what you see consciousness reflects consciousness. And so for me,
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Speaker 1: you know, seeing seeing like seeing people that are good
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Speaker 1: with words. But it's more so rapping wasn't really spoken word.
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Speaker 1: It was more so a hip hop and rap. So
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Speaker 1: that's how you know, I can you know, easily translate
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Speaker 1: or you know, seamlessly, seemingly seamlessly um flow from you know,
20:16
Speaker 1: philosophy into hip hop and integrate the philosophy and the
20:19
Speaker 1: words of value and mindfulness and you know, healthy vibrations
20:22
Speaker 1: into hip hop is because you know the early on
20:25
Speaker 1: exposure to that. You know. Yeah, I'd love to sit
20:30
Speaker 1: um in this moment for just a second and ask
20:33
Speaker 1: you some of the mechanics because something you just shared,
20:39
Speaker 1: UM really beautifully and thank you so much for giving
20:43
Speaker 1: such insight into your life, because I think it's so
20:47
Speaker 1: so incredibly important for people to know what's possible for them.
20:51
Speaker 1: And like what you just described, UM with how you
21:00
Speaker 1: were made to experience yourself and UM, the lack of
21:09
Speaker 1: being able to feel fully safe and free inside of
21:14
Speaker 1: yourself as a child, which is so fundamental and so
21:17
Speaker 1: foundational for how we then view ourselves in every other
21:22
Speaker 1: iteration of us throughout our lifetimes. UM. I think so
21:25
Speaker 1: many of us can relate to what you said, and
21:28
Speaker 1: I think especially so many people within black and brown communities,
21:32
Speaker 1: because even if that chaos was not inside the home,
21:35
Speaker 1: for so many, that chaos is always reflected everywhere outside
21:40
Speaker 1: of the home and all the structures in place that
21:42
Speaker 1: keep it going. UM. And what really feels like an
21:46
Speaker 1: apathy from the world towards UM, you know, towards black
21:52
Speaker 1: and brown bodies experiences. UM. So as you walk this
21:57
Speaker 1: path now, is someone who you know will always be seekers.
22:02
Speaker 1: But you are embodied. You know you are integrated. You
22:05
Speaker 1: are in alignment with yourself, with your soul, with your
22:08
Speaker 1: highest vision, highest timelines, highest self. How do you sit with, um,
22:16
Speaker 1: the things you've overcome in this moment? How do you
22:21
Speaker 1: how do you integrate what can be a really painful
22:26
Speaker 1: past foundational experience? You know, those are the things that
22:29
Speaker 1: we can never forget because it started us as where
22:32
Speaker 1: we are. So it's um, you know, the trauma. How
22:36
Speaker 1: do you move with grief? How do you experience as
22:41
Speaker 1: this version of yourself? UM, some of those wounds as
22:45
Speaker 1: you look back on them as they're healing or have
22:47
Speaker 1: been healed. Yeah, beautiful question, UM, and thank you for
22:51
Speaker 1: allowing me to go back and revisit that. UM. But yeah,
22:55
Speaker 1: as as you know, like you said, being embodied and
22:58
Speaker 1: being here now I can go back into the darkness
23:01
Speaker 1: with light and like you said, like um, you know,
23:04
Speaker 1: like the room in quote allowing your your darkness to
23:06
Speaker 1: be your candle. UM. And Uh, I don't shy away
23:09
Speaker 1: from the darkness. I don't like push it away. I
23:12
Speaker 1: don't resist it. Because you know, this life, this experience
23:16
Speaker 1: that we have, requires contrast, It requires the duality of
23:21
Speaker 1: light and darkness, and we can't have a picture without
23:23
Speaker 1: the negative and the positive. And so I understand that
23:26
Speaker 1: it's going from you know, going from Greece grief, sorry,
23:30
Speaker 1: going from grief and to grace, you know, having grace
23:33
Speaker 1: with myself, you know, and just you know, really allowing
23:37
Speaker 1: myself to feel like like early, like early in my life,
23:41
Speaker 1: I was I was made to be so emotionally numb,
23:44
Speaker 1: so emotionally numb to everything, and so um, you kind
23:48
Speaker 1: of cut yourself off from an important aspect of you
23:51
Speaker 1: because life is all feeling, you know, the reason that
23:53
Speaker 1: we're here, because we are intuitively feeling that we are
23:56
Speaker 1: in this room in the studio having a conversation with
23:59
Speaker 1: ourselves and in a different expression, and so um, it's
24:03
Speaker 1: just really allowing myself to feel whatever that whatever is,
24:07
Speaker 1: and whatever is is and that's all that is. If
24:09
Speaker 1: it's if it's light, if it's darkness, it's pain, if
24:12
Speaker 1: it's hurt, it's there, and it's an experience that can
24:14
Speaker 1: teach you something. It's an experience that you can grow from,
24:17
Speaker 1: it's something that you can you know, build upon. And
24:20
Speaker 1: so for me, there's a level of non resistance to
24:24
Speaker 1: the light to the dark and just all acceptance of
24:27
Speaker 1: everything because we are everything and everything is happening within
24:31
Speaker 1: us and then so um, it really takes a lot
24:35
Speaker 1: of patience with yourself, grace with yourself, and understanding with yourself.
24:39
Speaker 1: But I understand that. You know, I've been through the
24:42
Speaker 1: worst of situations, so everything on a larger scale, everything
24:46
Speaker 1: is so very small to me. You know, I think
24:48
Speaker 1: we can all say that no matter what we face
24:51
Speaker 1: going forward in life, it compares not to what we've
24:54
Speaker 1: been through, you know, it never compares. And and just
24:57
Speaker 1: how traumatized because we we have gained a level of aware,
25:00
Speaker 1: earnest and wisdom, and wisdom allows us to remove obstacles
25:03
Speaker 1: that that once seems so big, but now they're just
25:06
Speaker 1: so very small. So as we go through go through life,
25:09
Speaker 1: you know, we progress through life. There's a certain level
25:12
Speaker 1: of for all of us, an awakening that naturally happened.
25:16
Speaker 1: Some of us, it's it's slower than others, and some
25:18
Speaker 1: of us is much more aware and we are more
25:21
Speaker 1: aware of that. But um, for me, it's really just
25:24
Speaker 1: sitting with everything and being with everything and non resistance
25:28
Speaker 1: to anything. Hold that thought we are coming right back
25:43
Speaker 1: when I was listening to your album Stay Free. The
25:45
Speaker 1: thing that was really striking to me is I love
25:47
Speaker 1: the cover you were Um, it's such a beautiful, gorgeous
25:52
Speaker 1: photograph of you as a little boy. And you know,
25:57
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know the resilience of children, and
26:00
Speaker 1: it's so phenomenal, the resilience of heart, you know, the
26:05
Speaker 1: ability to really be open. We talked on this show
26:09
Speaker 1: quite a bit about reparenting and a lot of the
26:12
Speaker 1: inner child work and mirror work and you know, all
26:15
Speaker 1: the things that grief work, things that you can do
26:20
Speaker 1: to come back inside of your body and be there
26:23
Speaker 1: and live there and feel safe there. What would this
26:26
Speaker 1: version of you stay back to the little boy on
26:29
Speaker 1: that cover of Stay Free. Yes, stay free, truly, Yes,
26:34
Speaker 1: stay free. Allow yourself to feel, um, allow yourself to heal.
26:38
Speaker 1: You know, it's okay to feel. It's okay to cry,
26:41
Speaker 1: it's okay to be sensitive, it's okay to be exactly
26:45
Speaker 1: where you are, you know, because without you know, without this,
26:49
Speaker 1: you would not become this, you know, And so I
26:52
Speaker 1: honor that, honor the child and me, and I still
26:55
Speaker 1: you know, have conversations with the child and me because
26:58
Speaker 1: I know that timeline it's still existing somewhere in time
27:01
Speaker 1: and just going back there consciously, you know, because we
27:05
Speaker 1: are all time traveling. You know, we are all time travelers.
27:08
Speaker 1: We're time traveling now for these conversations. And you know,
27:11
Speaker 1: our past is still happening now, our future is happening now.
27:15
Speaker 1: So it's being able to consciously understand that and have
27:18
Speaker 1: that conversation now because it's happening now, you know. And
27:22
Speaker 1: so I can lend wisdom to myself in that timeline. Um,
27:25
Speaker 1: and He'll heal my inner child in this timeline. You know. Yes,
27:33
Speaker 1: this is a whole another conversation now that I want
27:34
Speaker 1: to have with you off the off the mic about
27:36
Speaker 1: some things. UM. Yeah, and that I love that you
27:40
Speaker 1: said that because you know, as I experience of my
27:43
Speaker 1: own reparenting and beautiful childhood work, you know, and as um,
27:48
Speaker 1: certain phrases are really being utilized more and more like
27:54
Speaker 1: reflections on ancestral trauma, on intergenerational trauma, you know. The
27:59
Speaker 1: some the joy for me and doing the work is
28:02
Speaker 1: knowing that truly, as I heal myself now in this moment,
28:05
Speaker 1: as I stand in the grace of myself and allow
28:09
Speaker 1: myself to be radiant and free, that all of that
28:13
Speaker 1: goodness is healing the younger version of it. And so
28:16
Speaker 1: the way that I've I've been kind of experiencing it
28:18
Speaker 1: or thinking of it in my mind is that life
28:21
Speaker 1: is feeling so good and full now because actually my
28:24
Speaker 1: past has been completely rebuilt, um re experienced. And so
28:32
Speaker 1: when I feel the true true depth of freedom that
28:37
Speaker 1: I feel right now, I'm like, yeah, of course this
28:40
Speaker 1: as possible, not just because I've healed myself at this moment,
28:43
Speaker 1: but all of that healing went backwards, so technically energetically
28:47
Speaker 1: on a cellular level, that trauma hasn't actually happened. It's
28:51
Speaker 1: been it's been removed. And when we think of like
28:55
Speaker 1: that kind of lineage work, that ancestral healing, like the
28:57
Speaker 1: intention really is what I you Now, I am sending
29:01
Speaker 1: back and I'm sending forward. Yeah, So beautiful gave me
29:05
Speaker 1: cheals and just to feel that energy and to actually
29:08
Speaker 1: like you know, receive that energy and integrate that energy
29:11
Speaker 1: into just my conscious awareness as I'm receiving it, and
29:14
Speaker 1: it's going backward and forward in time for me as well.
29:17
Speaker 1: So thank you for that that gym dropping gems on
29:20
Speaker 1: on my and my heart and my soul of my life.
29:22
Speaker 1: I truly felt that, and you know received that, and truly,
29:25
Speaker 1: you know affirmed that as well. Not only are we
29:27
Speaker 1: healing ourselves, but we are healing all all all versions
29:30
Speaker 1: of ourselves are our ancestors as well as we heal
29:33
Speaker 1: because we haven't we our ancestors have incarnated as us
29:38
Speaker 1: to heal themselves. You know. Okay, wait can I Oh
29:42
Speaker 1: my god, we have to go somewhere with this right now.
29:45
Speaker 1: I have to share this thought I've I've been kind
29:47
Speaker 1: of savoring recently, and I would love your take on it, UM,
29:50
Speaker 1: because I feel like we really speak the same language
29:53
Speaker 1: in a lot of said and unset ways. I thought
29:57
Speaker 1: that occurs to me, right we think of especially UM
30:00
Speaker 1: for our lineage, it is we're really rooted in the
30:03
Speaker 1: understanding of reincarnation. UM. And you know, I know I've
30:08
Speaker 1: reincarnated here. I've been here since the inception of Earth.
30:12
Speaker 1: I've come back a bunch of times, and I've incarnated
30:15
Speaker 1: in other realms a bunch of times. But this thought
30:19
Speaker 1: was coming to me, UM. Okay, so let me start here.
30:24
Speaker 1: I need to try to make this makes sense because
30:26
Speaker 1: it's only been going in my mind. So they there
30:31
Speaker 1: was this there was this meme on Instagram, right, or
30:34
Speaker 1: this this fact toy that said, um, that each of
30:38
Speaker 1: us has around four thousand ancestors behind us. Right if
30:42
Speaker 1: we do, if we really look back at all of
30:45
Speaker 1: the generations of what it took for us to exist
30:48
Speaker 1: here in this moment, it goes back roughly four thousand
30:51
Speaker 1: people for each of us. And So when I was
30:54
Speaker 1: putting in the thought process of reincarnation into that and
30:58
Speaker 1: different lives I know I've had in different patterns and
31:01
Speaker 1: experiences I've had, have done a lot of past life
31:04
Speaker 1: regression work. It was interesting. Here's an example. I was
31:10
Speaker 1: the thought I'm putting together in my mind that I'm
31:12
Speaker 1: trying to get out is right now in this exact moment,
31:17
Speaker 1: as I'm embodied as Devy to have this experience as me,
31:21
Speaker 1: I am also on this earth in a million other
31:25
Speaker 1: ways because as I right now have embodied as Devy
31:30
Speaker 1: and I'm receiving the support of my benevolent ancestors in
31:34
Speaker 1: this lineage of debby, I am also many people's ancestors
31:39
Speaker 1: right now. So like one of the lives that I
31:42
Speaker 1: had was um. I lived in China as a healer
31:45
Speaker 1: in the thirteenth century. So that embodiment of my energy
31:50
Speaker 1: and essence in China in thirte century is currently serving
31:55
Speaker 1: as the benevolent ancestry for people in China at the
32:00
Speaker 1: exact moment that I'm also me again here on Earth
32:03
Speaker 1: and I'm receiving benevolent ancestry from this particular family line
32:08
Speaker 1: that I'm inhabiting. Yeah, it's like it's just you know,
32:11
Speaker 1: it's a cross network of just weaving in and out
32:14
Speaker 1: of timelines, weaving in and out of um cultures, weaving
32:18
Speaker 1: and as a healer to heal cultures, to heal generations,
32:21
Speaker 1: to heal just different parts of the world. And I
32:24
Speaker 1: think you know, we we all you know, like you said,
32:26
Speaker 1: you know you are here, but you are also in
32:28
Speaker 1: the thirteenth century healing that timeline to people in China
32:32
Speaker 1: now and in China then. So it's just like a
32:36
Speaker 1: network or a weaving in and out of just you know, healing,
32:39
Speaker 1: you know, And that's that's so beautiful that you know,
32:41
Speaker 1: reflected and have that have that revelation to have that
32:44
Speaker 1: connection with your your your truest self, you're in her self,
32:47
Speaker 1: to to know that you know, we are all time
32:49
Speaker 1: traveling you know, to to realize that we are time traveling.
32:52
Speaker 1: I think I just realized that yesterday, you know, I
32:55
Speaker 1: realized that, you know, you know, I am here, but
32:58
Speaker 1: I'm also in another place or another timeline, doing the
33:03
Speaker 1: same work, experiencing the same thing, and you know, just
33:07
Speaker 1: just allowing myself to even though, you know, because that
33:09
Speaker 1: can get kind of that can get kind of trippy,
33:13
Speaker 1: trip trippy, and so you're just like you you the
33:17
Speaker 1: mind starts to just weave and and it's different ways
33:19
Speaker 1: and paths and so um, I see, like, you know,
33:23
Speaker 1: I just opened my eyes after meditation and just just
33:26
Speaker 1: allow myself to accept what is except you know, this
33:30
Speaker 1: this vision and this experience, and just appreciate the walls,
33:34
Speaker 1: appreciate the trees, appreciate the lights and everything that I
33:38
Speaker 1: have in my memory now because memory, some Scotts, is
33:41
Speaker 1: so very so so very deep that it goes deeper
33:44
Speaker 1: than what the conscious mind can even like bring up
33:46
Speaker 1: or whatever comes up in the conscious mind, and so
33:49
Speaker 1: it's just a it's really it's really boundless. It's really boundless. Buns. Yeah,
33:56
Speaker 1: you know. The part that felt really powerful for me
33:58
Speaker 1: and that thought that I shared was this this knowingness
34:01
Speaker 1: that that means that you know, there's no limits on anything, right,
34:06
Speaker 1: Like it's everything is boundless, and when you tap into
34:09
Speaker 1: that piece of it, there is nothing off limits to
34:11
Speaker 1: any of us. And we all have the ability to
34:14
Speaker 1: call in more power and more magnetism to ourselves because
34:19
Speaker 1: we are existing here in so many ways. So yeah,
34:22
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call I'm gonna call in some of that
34:25
Speaker 1: soul power from century ancestral meat that's currently running around
34:30
Speaker 1: and all the other versions. Like there's so many pieces
34:33
Speaker 1: of our souls that we can call in to be remembered,
34:37
Speaker 1: to utilize for this lifetime. Yeah, and I fully believe that,
34:41
Speaker 1: and I you know, to and to go further in
34:43
Speaker 1: that or deeper in that into that it's understanding and
34:48
Speaker 1: totality that everything is you. You know, everything is you.
34:52
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like the cop out, but everything
34:55
Speaker 1: is you. You know, every this an entire experience is
34:57
Speaker 1: happening within you. The history it's a all your memory,
35:01
Speaker 1: you know, the history is all your memory. And we
35:03
Speaker 1: have created ourselves, you know, in so many different forms
35:07
Speaker 1: to experience ourselves in so many different forms, to tell
35:10
Speaker 1: this story, to to dance, to play, to live to
35:13
Speaker 1: love and experience whatever there is to experience, and to
35:18
Speaker 1: to come back to ourselves. As Unda Ramda says, we're
35:20
Speaker 1: just walking each other home. We're walking each other back
35:23
Speaker 1: into ourselves. We're walking ourselves back to ourselves. And we
35:27
Speaker 1: have that duty to serve, we have that duty to heal.
35:29
Speaker 1: We have a responsibility to do the dharma of whatever
35:33
Speaker 1: our dhama is, and it's okay to do it. And
35:36
Speaker 1: whatever realm we're doing, whether it's music or you know, uh,
35:39
Speaker 1: doing radio or using your voice or doing behind the scenes,
35:43
Speaker 1: whatever your dharma is, do it and you can be
35:45
Speaker 1: liberated through your dharma. It doesn't have to be the
35:48
Speaker 1: strict ascetic path or path of renunciation. Whatever your dharma is,
35:53
Speaker 1: do it and service and truth and knowing that you
35:56
Speaker 1: are being liberated through that, through that activity, you know,
35:59
Speaker 1: And it's all it's all sad enough. It's all the
36:02
Speaker 1: spiritual practice, you know, whatever you're doing, whatever you're doing,
36:06
Speaker 1: I love you. I love you too. I'm so happy
36:09
Speaker 1: to be here with you, so happy to be here. Yeah,
36:12
Speaker 1: you really, um, you occupy a really special, really really
36:17
Speaker 1: special space because you're really at the intersection between deep
36:21
Speaker 1: ancient knowledge um mastery in this life and also activism.
36:27
Speaker 1: You know, it's like you're really occupying space as a
36:30
Speaker 1: spiritual activists. Um, what does that feel like? And what
36:35
Speaker 1: is your what is your deepest hope for your work?
36:39
Speaker 1: In that way, UM, I feel I feel really really small.
36:47
Speaker 1: I don't really see myself. UM in that way, I
36:51
Speaker 1: just truly allow myself to be used. UM. I don't
36:56
Speaker 1: really pay too much attention to Like, I know, I'm great.
37:01
Speaker 1: I have confidence in myself, and I don't pay attention
37:03
Speaker 1: to the greatness of that or the profoundness of it.
37:06
Speaker 1: I you know, I I receive it. And I'm so
37:09
Speaker 1: like so devotional in my in my journey that everything
37:12
Speaker 1: isn't offering and to the divine. You know, everything is
37:16
Speaker 1: offering and to divine. So I take nothing for myself
37:18
Speaker 1: and just offer it to the divine. And that just
37:20
Speaker 1: keeps me growing, That keeps me moving, that keeps me healing,
37:23
Speaker 1: that keeps me just expanding into in my expansion. Because
37:27
Speaker 1: I'm not in it for me or my my glory,
37:30
Speaker 1: my fame, my praise and my name. I'm really in
37:33
Speaker 1: it for the praise and the glory of truth and
37:35
Speaker 1: to to bring others truth as well. And the more
37:38
Speaker 1: I like myself, the more I like others. And I
37:41
Speaker 1: believe that's how we you know, that is the path
37:43
Speaker 1: of enlightenment for me is to light myself and light others.
37:47
Speaker 1: Though the whole world must be lit. The whole world
37:49
Speaker 1: must be lit, you know. So Um, yes, So I
37:53
Speaker 1: really don't pay too much attention to it. I just
37:56
Speaker 1: allow myself to do my dharma, which is me through
37:59
Speaker 1: music and poor tree and song, and however spirit chooses
38:03
Speaker 1: to express itself through me, um spontaneously, I just allow it,
38:08
Speaker 1: and I just make myself vulnerable to that. Mmmmm. I
38:11
Speaker 1: love that so much. Something that I say, um, quite
38:14
Speaker 1: often for myself is my entire life isn't offering to God.
38:19
Speaker 1: My whole life is ritual. Yeah, yeah, let's talk about ritual.
38:24
Speaker 1: What are some of what are some of the beautiful
38:26
Speaker 1: practices that you enjoying your day? How do you how
38:29
Speaker 1: do you ritualize for your healing and for your highest good?
38:33
Speaker 1: More recently, it's been dancing sometimes, Like yesterday, I totally
38:38
Speaker 1: totally like usually I I probably like meditate first thing,
38:41
Speaker 1: first thing, but I just, um, I think I was
38:43
Speaker 1: actually listening to the droper meditation the twenty one day
38:46
Speaker 1: meditation and I just stopped and I just said, I
38:48
Speaker 1: just wanted I want to dance. I want to dance.
38:50
Speaker 1: I just put on some Bob Marley, let my hair
38:52
Speaker 1: down because I normally don't have my hair down, just
38:54
Speaker 1: and just just dance dance for like two hours, and
38:57
Speaker 1: that was that was ecstasy for me. That was you know,
39:00
Speaker 1: ritualizing my healing, putting that energy and motion, because sometimes
39:03
Speaker 1: we can be staggnant and just wanting to be stell um,
39:07
Speaker 1: but me like me open, trying to be or allowing
39:10
Speaker 1: myself to be more vulnerable and more open and and
39:13
Speaker 1: feel more. Um. I just had to just get up
39:16
Speaker 1: and dance and just dance for two hours outside and
39:20
Speaker 1: I had my headphone zone. So I'm sure people around
39:22
Speaker 1: me like, what is he? What is he dancing too? Um?
39:24
Speaker 1: But yeah, I enjoyed it. But um more normally more
39:28
Speaker 1: on on on the day to day thing. Um. You know,
39:32
Speaker 1: I've had probably the same side enough for a spiritual
39:35
Speaker 1: practice for like uh four or five years, five six
39:39
Speaker 1: years actually, So for me, that's that's waking up when
39:42
Speaker 1: the sun rise, rising with the sun and going straight
39:47
Speaker 1: into my my practice of prani yama creas and uh
39:50
Speaker 1: one to two hour meditation every day. UM. But for me, Uh,
39:55
Speaker 1: that can seem like very mundane to the ordinary person
39:58
Speaker 1: or to the person outside look in. But for me,
40:01
Speaker 1: the practice is the goal. You know, there is nothing
40:03
Speaker 1: beyond the practice. For me, there is nothing to attain that.
40:07
Speaker 1: You know, everything is right here in the practice. Everything
40:09
Speaker 1: is right here. And then in the very even the
40:12
Speaker 1: smallest things that I'm doing, whether it's washing dishes or
40:15
Speaker 1: cleaning out the tub or or or or meditating, it's
40:18
Speaker 1: it's for me. It's all part of the spiritual practice,
40:21
Speaker 1: and it's all integrated into UM opening my opening myself
40:26
Speaker 1: up to to all that is. And so but I
40:29
Speaker 1: cannot miss. I cannot miss I I can, but I
40:32
Speaker 1: really don't prefer missing, Like you know, my my morning sadna,
40:36
Speaker 1: you know, rising with the sun and UM, doing uh
40:39
Speaker 1: some asanas and brandi yamas and then in Korea and
40:44
Speaker 1: then meditating UM for about an hour or so, and
40:48
Speaker 1: then and then working my way into the flow of
40:50
Speaker 1: the day whatever the day calls for. Oh, that sounds
40:54
Speaker 1: so delicious, like that sounds like a feast to me
40:57
Speaker 1: as you were describing it, UM, Because I'm really finding
41:03
Speaker 1: that my practice. I couldn't fathom living without it, Like
41:09
Speaker 1: it is my closest companion, Like my spiritual practice is
41:13
Speaker 1: my best friend, you know, And even on a day
41:17
Speaker 1: that's that I'm most tired, that's not something that would
41:19
Speaker 1: ever not be on my list. And even just to
41:23
Speaker 1: feel that feels so good, right, like especially especially knowing
41:27
Speaker 1: all that you've walked through, like to even know like
41:32
Speaker 1: for me recently you clicked and I was like, God,
41:33
Speaker 1: that feels special to know that I have the ability
41:36
Speaker 1: to meet my own needs in each moment. And that
41:39
Speaker 1: may sound small or not, you know, not I think
41:42
Speaker 1: people that have access that point understand the gravity to that.
41:47
Speaker 1: But to just be able to know that each moment
41:49
Speaker 1: is enough and whatever that looks like, yeah, that's beautiful.
41:54
Speaker 1: That's that's realizing your enoughness, your your your wholeness, your fullness.
41:58
Speaker 1: I think when we when we operate from a place
42:00
Speaker 1: of lack, you know, we have so many needs, We
42:03
Speaker 1: have so many needs when we operate from a place
42:06
Speaker 1: of lack, But when we operate from a place of fullness,
42:09
Speaker 1: there is total contentment and satisfaction with what is, and
42:12
Speaker 1: we can just allow ourselves to be with what is
42:16
Speaker 1: you know, and so stepping into you know mindfulness and
42:19
Speaker 1: soulfulness and um are boundless nature, are infinite nature. Knowing
42:25
Speaker 1: your infiniteness, knowing your boundlessness allows you to just get
42:29
Speaker 1: out of lack and step into that limitless space of
42:33
Speaker 1: just freedom, personal freedom, you know, because you know you
42:36
Speaker 1: have access to everything in the cosmos, in the universe,
42:39
Speaker 1: right here and right now, because it's all here and
42:41
Speaker 1: it's all within you. You know, it's all happening within
42:44
Speaker 1: you and it comes out of you and manifest in
42:46
Speaker 1: the physical. What does freedom feel like to you if
42:50
Speaker 1: you could give it a sensation or give it a
42:52
Speaker 1: few words, What does it feel like if it resides
42:54
Speaker 1: in you? Freedom at this point in time in my
42:57
Speaker 1: life feels like vulnerable reality. Just being open to everything, everyone,
43:04
Speaker 1: every circumstance, not resisting anything, not shying away, not um retreating,
43:11
Speaker 1: and just being vulnerable to everything that is not sometimes
43:16
Speaker 1: not even just surrender. Total surrender and vulnerability is freedom.
43:20
Speaker 1: Like you have nothing, you have nothing to protect, you
43:23
Speaker 1: have nothing to safeguard. You're just you're just there as
43:26
Speaker 1: you you know, and you just allow yourself to be
43:28
Speaker 1: there as you you know, and that that sets the
43:31
Speaker 1: tone for others to come. That sets the tone for
43:35
Speaker 1: others to come as they are, and then we can
43:38
Speaker 1: all be as we are and and free from judgment
43:41
Speaker 1: or you know, condemning each other or judging or like
43:44
Speaker 1: it said, judging each other and just allowing ourselves to be.
43:48
Speaker 1: And that allows a person to stand in their personal
43:50
Speaker 1: power when they can be who they are, you know,
43:54
Speaker 1: no matter how it comes out, how it looks, because
43:56
Speaker 1: we're we're all just figuring this out, you know, as
43:58
Speaker 1: we go, and so truly there's no wronger right, you know,
44:02
Speaker 1: it's just truth, you know, and living your truth and
44:05
Speaker 1: speak your truth, and that will set you free. You know.
44:09
Speaker 1: It is especially yummy to me, and I'd love your
44:12
Speaker 1: thoughts on this um when you come into a space
44:16
Speaker 1: of non judgment with yourself, My favorite gift to give
44:20
Speaker 1: others is non judgment. Like I I feel so passionate
44:24
Speaker 1: about being able to hold space for the people in
44:27
Speaker 1: my life and when they tell me something that is
44:30
Speaker 1: really challenging for them, not um, not mirroring any of
44:35
Speaker 1: it back to them, like being able to just hold
44:38
Speaker 1: loving space, not fix it, which was the old me,
44:41
Speaker 1: my old programming, not fix it right, like not try
44:44
Speaker 1: to advise it, not try to manipulate it or change
44:47
Speaker 1: it or get the person out of it, but to
44:49
Speaker 1: just reflect non judgment back to them about whatever they're
44:54
Speaker 1: holding um And it's such a revolutionary gift to give.
44:57
Speaker 1: It really is, Like it sounds maybe simple, but we're
45:02
Speaker 1: all trained to try to fix fix things. We're all
45:05
Speaker 1: trained to try to be positive. Okay, well, you know
45:09
Speaker 1: it's not as bad as everybody. You know, other people
45:11
Speaker 1: have gone through worse or you know, all the things
45:13
Speaker 1: that you tell people that are really just to alleviate
45:15
Speaker 1: your own discomfort about their stories and their path. But
45:20
Speaker 1: that non judgment piece, that's really it, Like each moment
45:24
Speaker 1: being able to be with yourself and still accept yourself. Yeah,
45:29
Speaker 1: I think it, you know, goes back to you know,
45:31
Speaker 1: like you said, non judgment and acceptance of yourself and
45:34
Speaker 1: that person as they are with all of their scars,
45:36
Speaker 1: with all of their wounds, their traumas and everything that
45:39
Speaker 1: they're offering to you as not as an offering unto
45:42
Speaker 1: you to to take on, but an offering to to release.
45:45
Speaker 1: You know. But when you like, if you create space
45:48
Speaker 1: within yourself, you can hold space for others. You know,
45:51
Speaker 1: the more space you create. That's why, like this week,
45:53
Speaker 1: I've been fast and um creating you know, creating space
45:57
Speaker 1: because when we fast, we we we we magnify the
46:00
Speaker 1: etheric energy. And so you know, hold creating space within myself,
46:04
Speaker 1: holding space within myself so that I can hold space,
46:07
Speaker 1: um while I'm here in l A during these performances,
46:09
Speaker 1: so that can hold space for the conversation, so I
46:11
Speaker 1: can hold space for you know, our conversations and our interactions. UM.
46:16
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's so very important to you know, you know,
46:19
Speaker 1: first create space within yourself and whole space for yourself
46:23
Speaker 1: and be non judgmental to yourself, as you said, so
46:26
Speaker 1: that you can be that same way with others, um
46:28
Speaker 1: and allow them because you know what it does for you,
46:31
Speaker 1: you know, you know. And it's not like we have
46:33
Speaker 1: to fix anything because you know, we work out our
46:35
Speaker 1: own problems because our minds create the problems themselves in
46:38
Speaker 1: our minds. So yeah, so it's all the creation of
46:41
Speaker 1: our own beings. But when we have time, when we
46:43
Speaker 1: have space to unravel before another person who's just holding
46:47
Speaker 1: space for us, then we we just resting that and
46:50
Speaker 1: we feel confided in that even if they give us
46:52
Speaker 1: no advice, if they're just there as an ear and I,
46:55
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just learning that more and more um
46:58
Speaker 1: with my partner, my fiancee um to just you know,
47:01
Speaker 1: just be there and she doesn't need my wisdom, she
47:04
Speaker 1: doesn't need you know, my my words. She just needs
47:07
Speaker 1: me to be there. And people just need you to
47:09
Speaker 1: be there because they can work through it on their own.
47:11
Speaker 1: It's just expressing it and getting those gears turning into
47:14
Speaker 1: they just find that ah ha, that aha moment and
47:17
Speaker 1: that or just release no total it's like and it's
47:22
Speaker 1: to like the concept that is is really deeply rooted.
47:25
Speaker 1: I think in Christianity, the idea of witnessing right, being
47:28
Speaker 1: a witness, the way that I experience that through the
47:32
Speaker 1: lens of my belief system is really that just means
47:35
Speaker 1: being an observance of right, like being able to powerfully
47:38
Speaker 1: observe yourself, being able to witness for another just I'm
47:42
Speaker 1: just here to witness your process, not to inform it,
47:46
Speaker 1: not to change it. But we deserve to be seen
47:51
Speaker 1: like we deserve I don't know if that's the word,
47:56
Speaker 1: but I was gonna, you know, I want to behold people, Yeah,
48:01
Speaker 1: behold and whole space, you know, because I think that's
48:04
Speaker 1: what meditation helps us to do is just because we're witnessing,
48:07
Speaker 1: we're watching, we're observing thoughts as they come, as they go,
48:11
Speaker 1: and that person in front of us, they are a
48:13
Speaker 1: vessel of thoughts. They are an embodiment of thoughts, you know,
48:16
Speaker 1: in different thoughts and different desires. And so when we
48:18
Speaker 1: you know, in the meditative state or we're just risk
48:21
Speaker 1: practicing mindfulness, we learn allowance, and with allowance just comes
48:25
Speaker 1: grace and it ease because you understand things unravel, but
48:28
Speaker 1: they work themselves out on their own. It's nothing that
48:31
Speaker 1: we have to fix in our minds during meditation. It
48:33
Speaker 1: just kind of just eases itself out. And then when
48:37
Speaker 1: we start to practice that in our day to day life,
48:39
Speaker 1: you know, off the mat and out of the out
48:43
Speaker 1: of the asana, then we can out of the asana,
48:46
Speaker 1: we can we can truly embody the teachings in a
48:49
Speaker 1: practical way. And it's not just like, oh, I'm just
48:52
Speaker 1: doing my spiritual work and oh I have to go
48:54
Speaker 1: into life and just be a human, you know, and
48:57
Speaker 1: things of that nature. But we can actually imbuy the
49:00
Speaker 1: teachings in our in our day, in our day to
49:03
Speaker 1: day life because they are meant to be embodied, not
49:05
Speaker 1: just study, you know, not just you know, yeah, into
49:11
Speaker 1: your heart, yeah, and integrate it into your life and
49:14
Speaker 1: you know, into the into your relationships and every dynamic
49:17
Speaker 1: and aspect of your life. And that's how we live
49:19
Speaker 1: in the fullness of life, I think, you know, we
49:22
Speaker 1: compartmentalize our lives. You know, this is for this, that person,
49:25
Speaker 1: for this. I can only talk to you about this.
49:27
Speaker 1: I can only go here for there, and we separate,
49:30
Speaker 1: and that separate, That separation creates more illusion. That separation
49:33
Speaker 1: creates a distance between ourselves and truth, ourselves and God.
49:36
Speaker 1: And our separations are are create separation between ourselves and others,
49:41
Speaker 1: you know. So the more we compartmentalize everything, we just
49:45
Speaker 1: grow in the delusion and then in the illusion. I
49:50
Speaker 1: love the way that you express that. Yeah, it's really
49:54
Speaker 1: it's just it's all such a gift. You know. Sometimes
49:58
Speaker 1: I'm fed up with Earth and I don't want to
50:00
Speaker 1: be here in trash. Earth is the ghetto. And then
50:06
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm just like, how awesome, Like what a beautiful learning, Yeah,
50:10
Speaker 1: Like what a beautiful learning to choose this lifetime to
50:13
Speaker 1: be this version of you and all the gifts that
50:16
Speaker 1: it possesses, especially I think in quarantine. And we were
50:19
Speaker 1: talking about this a bit um before we press record
50:22
Speaker 1: on the mix, But what was your If you could
50:26
Speaker 1: name one thing that you found to be the greatest
50:30
Speaker 1: gift of the pandemic, what was it? Um, the I
50:36
Speaker 1: would say the call to serve a greater capacity and
50:40
Speaker 1: a greater capacity because I've I've been doing this work
50:44
Speaker 1: behind the scenes for for about five or six years,
50:48
Speaker 1: but I understand that life has been preparing me for
50:50
Speaker 1: this moment so that I can guide people into themselves
50:54
Speaker 1: as well. So for me, it was time to step
50:56
Speaker 1: out of my introvertedness and step out of my cocoon
51:00
Speaker 1: and really you know, help usher others back into their
51:03
Speaker 1: cocoon or help us to introduce others to themselves as well.
51:07
Speaker 1: So for me, that was the biggest gift is being
51:10
Speaker 1: able to serve and um, people who so so desperately
51:13
Speaker 1: needed a space to go, a space to be and
51:17
Speaker 1: and cope and meditate. So um, just being able to
51:20
Speaker 1: be there for people because I've been there, you know. Um,
51:24
Speaker 1: My pad didn't probably happened in two thousand and sixteen
51:26
Speaker 1: for me, and so I was just like I locked it.
51:29
Speaker 1: But I for like two years, I probably didn't go
51:33
Speaker 1: outside for anything, just for grocery. So I was kind
51:35
Speaker 1: of like used used to this, like you know, lifestyle
51:38
Speaker 1: of just being inside all the time, you know, studying, meditating.
51:42
Speaker 1: That's when I you know, really begin to go in
51:43
Speaker 1: where during that time for about two or three years,
51:48
Speaker 1: and so you know, having people come into this space now,
51:50
Speaker 1: it's like I already have a table prepared for you.
51:52
Speaker 1: I got music, I got meditations, I have an apt
51:55
Speaker 1: What do you need? I have it? Yeah, feast on this.
51:59
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, yeah, it's there's been so many gifts it
52:05
Speaker 1: really I love the way that has helped me re
52:08
Speaker 1: understand time and how to use my time. And I
52:11
Speaker 1: think my life post pandemic, post pandemic, excuse me, is
52:15
Speaker 1: going to look more like my pandemic life than my
52:21
Speaker 1: many ways. Like I think, um, I'm gonna be kind
52:24
Speaker 1: of off limits for most people all the time because
52:29
Speaker 1: I've just I've fallen in love and i have this
52:31
Speaker 1: huge craving now, um for solitude. Yeah yeah, yeah, I
52:38
Speaker 1: think especially because I'm more I'm an extrovert. Fully, um,
52:41
Speaker 1: i think I'm an E M F J or something
52:43
Speaker 1: in a Myers brig but my whole life was lived
52:46
Speaker 1: out loud. And now I'm just like, I don't want
52:50
Speaker 1: to ever be in performance, like in any moment. I
52:53
Speaker 1: don't want to be forced to be an audience for someone.
52:55
Speaker 1: And I also don't want to be pushed to perform
52:58
Speaker 1: for anyone, you know. I want to flow with how
53:01
Speaker 1: I'm actually feeling. I think we've all found our balants.
53:05
Speaker 1: I think we've all found our balance and what we
53:07
Speaker 1: can like our groove, and that's what you know, we
53:10
Speaker 1: we and now we have the choice because we see
53:13
Speaker 1: both both ends of the spectrum, and so now we
53:15
Speaker 1: can find like a middle path that works best for
53:18
Speaker 1: us and we can integrate. You know, what we learned
53:21
Speaker 1: by being just out on the scene all the time
53:23
Speaker 1: or extroverted or just being social or social butterfly, and
53:26
Speaker 1: the things that we learned by just by being and
53:28
Speaker 1: having the time to go inward and nurture ourselves and
53:31
Speaker 1: take care of ourselves and um, you know, hold space
53:34
Speaker 1: for ourselves. And so it's like emerging of the two worlds.
53:36
Speaker 1: And I think the new Earth, the new the new
53:39
Speaker 1: world that we um that we are curating, will be
53:42
Speaker 1: somewhat of that sort of ease for everyone for everyone.
53:46
Speaker 1: So people won't be too too demanding with your time,
53:49
Speaker 1: and you won't be too demanding of other people's time,
53:51
Speaker 1: and we'll just allow each other to just enjoy your
53:54
Speaker 1: time alone. Hey, if you even your partners, if you
53:56
Speaker 1: want to enjoy time alone and by yourself, then that's cool.
53:59
Speaker 1: You know, we don't We won't probably make too much
54:01
Speaker 1: of a fuss off, you know, just just the ease
54:04
Speaker 1: of the ease that this you know, pandemic has has
54:07
Speaker 1: given us. Yeah, yeah, we each deserve the dignity of
54:10
Speaker 1: our process, whatever that is. So how can everybody connect
54:14
Speaker 1: with you? First of all, I highly recommend everybody to
54:17
Speaker 1: go into their iTunes store, Spotify wherever you listen to music,
54:21
Speaker 1: check out the Stay Free album UM. And then after
54:23
Speaker 1: you do that, there's five more albums to feast upon. UM.
54:29
Speaker 1: Stay Free is the first one. There's also self Care Package,
54:32
Speaker 1: Floral Escape, Sunflower Soul, Feminine Energy and Feels. And then
54:37
Speaker 1: how can everyone connect with you? Um? I guess Instagram
54:42
Speaker 1: and Twitter. My handle is lundrell UM or Facebook as
54:47
Speaker 1: well and on any other platform you can find me
54:50
Speaker 1: at Lundrell. Also, UM, I have I do have the
54:52
Speaker 1: mobile Eternal Sunshine app the Mindfulness and Meditation app. So
54:56
Speaker 1: that's a great way to just receive free UM. Sometimes
54:59
Speaker 1: I do talk UM and some you know, most of
55:01
Speaker 1: the times I do meditations on there. So that's so
55:04
Speaker 1: that's a way to get you know, updates and news
55:06
Speaker 1: on what I'm doing, where I'm at, where I'm touring,
55:08
Speaker 1: where I'm having shows at UM. And yeah, those are
55:11
Speaker 1: the three main ways to to stay in contact with me.
55:15
Speaker 1: At the end of every show, I offer to each
55:17
Speaker 1: guest UM the opportunity to share some soul work with
55:21
Speaker 1: our listening audience. And so what that can look like
55:23
Speaker 1: is either a thought to be savored, maybe a journal prompt,
55:27
Speaker 1: a self care practice that you enjoy and find UM
55:30
Speaker 1: to be powerful, but anything you'd like to offer our
55:34
Speaker 1: listeners to spend time with UM for the day, for
55:37
Speaker 1: the rest of the day after they hear this episode.
55:40
Speaker 1: UM beautiful, UM. I would say, just off the top
55:43
Speaker 1: of my head, UM, It's okay to uh venture into
55:51
Speaker 1: the darkness. It's okay to go back into the traumas.
55:56
Speaker 1: It's okay to revisit the darkened parts of yourself. You know,
56:02
Speaker 1: sit with those things, sit and feel if you can
56:05
Speaker 1: feel it you can heal it and just allow yourself
56:08
Speaker 1: to UM feel, you know, let yourself feel. That's how
56:12
Speaker 1: we self heal. UM. And so just sitting with everything, UM,
56:17
Speaker 1: and being with everything and forgiving yourself and forgiving all
56:21
Speaker 1: versions of yourself in that, you know, having compassion upon
56:24
Speaker 1: your experience, having compassion upon your life, having grace with
56:29
Speaker 1: your life and your experience, and knowing that sometimes it's
56:33
Speaker 1: not all love and light. Sometimes we have to, you know,
56:36
Speaker 1: go back into the you know, sometimes we have to
56:39
Speaker 1: experience the dark so that we can bring forth more light.
56:42
Speaker 1: And the more darkness you experience, the more light is
56:45
Speaker 1: being summoned out of you. You know, so appreciate you know,
56:49
Speaker 1: the parts that you that you hide. You know, be
56:52
Speaker 1: totally vulnerable to every aspect of yourself, Be totally vulnerable
56:56
Speaker 1: to everything that you have experienced, and allow that vulnerab
57:00
Speaker 1: reality to you know, awaken you to your truth and
57:02
Speaker 1: living that truth. Celebrate that truth, speak that truth, and
57:06
Speaker 1: let that truth set you free. M beautiful, beautiful, thank
57:11
Speaker 1: you for that, and thank you so much, UM. It
57:15
Speaker 1: has been such a joy connecting with you, finally connecting
57:18
Speaker 1: in person, been a really really big admire of your work. Um,
57:23
Speaker 1: and you're in Los Angeles, you have several shows while
57:25
Speaker 1: you're out here, and hopefully you'll be back soon. I shall,
57:29
Speaker 1: I shall. It feels it feels like l A always
57:32
Speaker 1: feels like home to me. So and I visit like
57:33
Speaker 1: at least once a year, at least before the pandemic.
57:36
Speaker 1: So I'll definitely be back and integrating with you and
57:40
Speaker 1: Darline and Shop her family and just you know, just
57:43
Speaker 1: creating this new earth, this new world, this new paradigm
57:46
Speaker 1: for us and all of us who are to come,
57:49
Speaker 1: the little ones, the little ones, they're they're going to
57:52
Speaker 1: be so blessed. Their world is got to be so
57:55
Speaker 1: so beautiful, so beautiful. Yeah, yeah, you are so family.
58:02
Speaker 1: I am um. I'm grateful for this time together. Thank you,
58:06
Speaker 1: say I am too. Felt felt natural, so very natural,
58:09
Speaker 1: just like okay, let's get to it. Yeah, let's get
58:12
Speaker 1: to it. Yes, I felt so natural. Thank you for
58:15
Speaker 1: having that energy of being welcoming to bring out the
58:18
Speaker 1: the social butterfly and me, the social butterfly and me
58:21
Speaker 1: because I was a bit uneasy, like because I don't
58:23
Speaker 1: really do podcasts or talks or just anything. But you know,
58:27
Speaker 1: thank you for bringing out the best in me. Thank you, M.
58:31
Speaker 1: That was a beautiful reflection I have. I received that.
58:35
Speaker 1: I know you do that for so many and your music,
58:40
Speaker 1: your music gives people permission to meet the best versions
58:44
Speaker 1: of themselves and to love them and to accept them. Yeah,
58:48
Speaker 1: it's great to receive that gift. I feel it now,
58:50
Speaker 1: I feel it. Thank you for allowing me to feel
58:52
Speaker 1: the gift that I give M. So I don't want
58:57
Speaker 1: this podcast to end. Um. Everyone, thank you as always
59:01
Speaker 1: so much for listening. Please share this show with a friend. UM,
59:05
Speaker 1: this this volte really really special, and I know that
59:10
Speaker 1: there is not only something in this for you and
59:13
Speaker 1: for your soul, um, but you'd be surprised at ways
59:16
Speaker 1: that you can positively affect other people's lives just by
59:20
Speaker 1: sharing the lessons you're receiving. And so I definitely UM,
59:25
Speaker 1: I encourage everyone to do that. Go rate the app,
59:28
Speaker 1: rate this episode, leave a little written review. I love you.
59:31
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