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Decoding Vitamin K: Secrets to Long-Lasting Health... · Revealing Wholeness with Dr.Troy

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  Speaker 1: Thank you for listening today on Revealing Wholeness sponsored by
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  Speaker 1: dot com, where we are revealing the eternal in each individual,
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  Speaker 1: the infinite in the individual, the creativity is made manifest,
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  Speaker 1: limitation is let go. Now, here's your host, doctor Troy Munson.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome. I'm doctor Troy.
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  Speaker 3: This is the part two in our five part series
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  Speaker 3: on Vitamin K, a most potent vitamin, and in this
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  Speaker 3: particular podcast, we are going to discuss a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more in depth of what kind of vitamin K, why,
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  Speaker 3: how much?
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  Speaker 2: What should I do?
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  Speaker 3: What if I want to do big doses? What if
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  Speaker 3: I take too much? What kind of K two if
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  Speaker 3: the different forms of those, what should I do? So
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  Speaker 3: we're going to get into the subtleties. Now this is
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  Speaker 3: not a podcast for everyone, because I'm going to get
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  Speaker 3: into a little bit more of the technical aspect. This
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  Speaker 3: is probably one of the few podcasts that I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to get really deep, deep in the in the bush,
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  Speaker 3: so to speak.
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  Speaker 2: And so here we go.
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  Speaker 3: Vitamin K. I talked about in the first part basic dosages,
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  Speaker 3: but now I'm going to expand those just a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more so we understand what application would I want
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  Speaker 3: to use an MK four and MK seven. Men aquinone
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  Speaker 3: is vitamin K two. Philiquinone is vitamin K one. Philiquinone
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  Speaker 3: is usually almost always I'll say almost always, but there
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  Speaker 3: may be some some foods that it does not appear in.
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  Speaker 3: But any food that is is vitamin C in nature
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  Speaker 3: has the whole component of the vitamin C complex. You're
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  Speaker 3: likely going to find K one with it. Now that
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  Speaker 3: being said, I'm sure there's some out there that may
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  Speaker 3: not have it, But filiquinone is for clotting. It is
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  Speaker 3: prothrombin factors. And so that's about all I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: say on K one. We're not interested in K one,
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  Speaker 3: but you need to know it's out there because you
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  Speaker 3: will find supplements where it'll say.
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  Speaker 2: Something like, oh, this is a trifecta or the three
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  Speaker 2: part vitamin K because they know they're going to do
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  Speaker 2: a filiquinone, they're going to do a K two in
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  Speaker 2: the form of MK four and a K two in
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  Speaker 2: the form of MK seven, and so they're going to
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  Speaker 2: do this three part full complex K to impress people
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  Speaker 2: so that you buy their product.
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  Speaker 3: Anybody out there doing oh, cuminin or blood thinners, you're
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  Speaker 3: going to want to steer clear of the filiquinone or
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  Speaker 3: K one, and your medical doctor is going to tell
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  Speaker 3: you that anyways. So I don't like to do a
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  Speaker 3: combination of that because oftentimes, when I'm trying to accomplish something,
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  Speaker 3: I actually want the MK four and the MK seven separated,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't want filiquin one K one anywhere near it.
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  Speaker 3: So let's talk about MK four and MK seven a
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  Speaker 3: little bit deeper. I mentioned in the first podcast that
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  Speaker 3: MK four was an animal source, and they do get
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  Speaker 3: it from the tobacco leaf. There are two forms by
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  Speaker 3: the way of both MK four and MK seven, Just
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  Speaker 3: so you have an idea, because you will see this
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  Speaker 3: on products. You will see a transform on products where
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  Speaker 3: they are proud of their product, and so they're going
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  Speaker 3: to tell you that this is the transform of MK
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  Speaker 3: seven or MK four. You are not going to see that.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody is going to tell you that this is the
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  Speaker 3: CIS form CIS cis. The CIS form is the synthetic
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  Speaker 3: form that means man made. So nobody's going to come
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  Speaker 3: out there and say, hey, I just men made this
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  Speaker 3: in a lab for you. This is the cis form.
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  Speaker 3: I guess if somebody thinks that maybe hypoallergenic wise, that
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  Speaker 3: we should do a cis form, maybe they would brag
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  Speaker 3: about that, but I'm not sure why they would. So
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  Speaker 3: you're only going to see things that say trans and
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  Speaker 3: I want you to understand why that. What they're telling
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  Speaker 3: you is that they did get it from a completely
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  Speaker 3: natural source. They didn't man make it. When men make stuff,
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  Speaker 3: we tend to make the mirror image of a substance.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the cis form where our body tends to
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  Speaker 3: use the trans or the original article much much better
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  Speaker 3: than the cis formed. So for MK four coming from
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  Speaker 3: an animal or coming from tobacco, because it's half life
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  Speaker 3: is two hours in the body, meaning that if I
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  Speaker 3: take a huge dose of MK four and two hours,
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  Speaker 3: there's only half of it left in my blood. So
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  Speaker 3: any kind of medical research paper that's dealing with a
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  Speaker 3: specific disease condition, you're going to find them using twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty five, forty five, ninety. I've even seen ninety milligrams
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  Speaker 3: where the vast majority of research shows MK or excuse me,
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  Speaker 3: vitamin K being used at like one hundred micrograms two
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  Speaker 3: hundred micrograms, maybe four hundred micrograms. And so let's say
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  Speaker 3: that I've got four point five or four hundred and
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  Speaker 3: fifty micrograms, and now I'm gonna go to forty five milligrams. Well,
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  Speaker 3: that's one hundred times as much if I had four
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  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty milligrams. Now I've got one thousand times
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  Speaker 3: the amount. That would be a lot. Now, we would
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  Speaker 3: not do that with MK seven. And the reason I'll
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  Speaker 3: get to in just a moment is how that half
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  Speaker 3: life works with it. But when it comes to MK four,
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  Speaker 3: they'll do a single dose of forty five milligrams of
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  Speaker 3: MK four because they know that the half life's it's
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  Speaker 3: gonna go away really really fast. So MK four you'll
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  Speaker 3: find that you can dig up the research and it's
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  Speaker 3: quite fascinating. They'll have cancer patients that go through chemo
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  Speaker 3: and they'll end up giving them in the second time
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  Speaker 3: if the cancer comes back, they'll give them forty five
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  Speaker 3: milligrams of vitamin K two in the form of or
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  Speaker 3: MK four. And I must admit I'm impressed when they
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  Speaker 3: show that in two months they're like in remission, and
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  Speaker 3: so what I guess we shouldn't be so impressed because
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  Speaker 3: if calcium is running the immune system. And way back
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  Speaker 3: in the nineteen forties, yes, you heard me right, nineteen
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  Speaker 3: forties and fifties that they had the K graph, which
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  Speaker 3: I've reported on years ago. And the K graph if
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  Speaker 3: you imagine the letter K, and above the top of
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  Speaker 3: the K, let's say that calcium is excessive. So that's
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  Speaker 3: the top part of the K, a capital K, that is.
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  Speaker 3: And then we have the bottom part of the K,
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  Speaker 3: the little leg, the little K, the letter K, and
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  Speaker 3: you have calcium too low. And then in the middle
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  Speaker 3: of the K where it's kind of pointing both of
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  Speaker 3: its legs up and down like two little arms. If
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  Speaker 3: calcium's in the middle, you have good health. So if
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  Speaker 3: you had too much calcium, you had heart disease. If
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  Speaker 3: you had too little calcium, you had cancer. Well, what
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  Speaker 3: does vitamin K do K two do? It helps to
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  Speaker 3: drive calcium where it's supposed to be. It doesn't let
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  Speaker 3: it precipitate out into tissues where it shouldn't be. It
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  Speaker 3: holds it either in the blood or tells it to
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  Speaker 3: go to the bone you need to go there. So
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  Speaker 3: it is helping maintain calcium levels. And if that is
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  Speaker 3: one of the key indicators of maintaining health and dealing
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  Speaker 3: with infection and dealing with I think a grander scale infection,
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  Speaker 3: which I would call cancer, is expected to do better,
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  Speaker 3: and of course it performs admirably doing that. So MK
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  Speaker 3: four we would use in big doses. And so when
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  Speaker 3: you look at vitamin K two supplements, you're gonna find
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  Speaker 3: some of those supplements like, hey, this says it's got
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  Speaker 3: five milligrams. That's like a heck of a lot more
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  Speaker 3: than micrograms. Well, yes, and milligrams. You'll find that when
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  Speaker 3: you see it in the form of milligrams, you can
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  Speaker 3: almost be guaranteed it's MK four. So menequin one four
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  Speaker 3: of a vitamin K two supplement is going to be
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  Speaker 3: used in different types of fairly tough conditions. Let's just
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  Speaker 3: call it that.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: MK seven or menquinone seven is coming from things like nato,
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  Speaker 3: which I believe is fermented soybeans. You'll find it from
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  Speaker 3: bacteria like in our gut. If we have healthy guts.
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  Speaker 3: How many people have healthy guts have never had antibiotics?
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  Speaker 2: Not many?
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  Speaker 3: So are you producing a lot of MK your gut?
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  Speaker 3: Probably not. If you have a pretty healthy diet and
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  Speaker 3: you're doing fermented foods like sauerkraut and kimchi, and you're
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  Speaker 3: maintaining gut bacteria, and you're feeding them lots of good
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  Speaker 3: fiber in your diet by eating vegetables, you might have
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  Speaker 3: enough to produce a fair amount of MK seven in
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  Speaker 3: your gut. So for the vast majority of us that
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  Speaker 3: MK seven has a very long half life, menequin one
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  Speaker 3: four being two hours very quick, MK seven being fifty hours.
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  Speaker 3: So I did the math on this. I said, what
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  Speaker 3: would happen if we took one hundred micrograms very small
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  Speaker 3: amount of MK seven? What does it build up to
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  Speaker 3: over time in the blood. So if the half life,
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  Speaker 3: let's just say for sake of argument, it's two days.
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  Speaker 3: So every two days, if I take one hundred milligrams,
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  Speaker 3: it's going to go down to fifty. In two more days,
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  Speaker 3: it's going to go down to twenty five on my blood.
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  Speaker 3: In two more days, it's going to go down to
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  Speaker 3: twelve point five, and then to six point seven five.
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  Speaker 3: It's just going to keep going in concentration. But every
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  Speaker 3: day I'm renewing my amount by taking one more pill
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  Speaker 3: of one hundred micrograms of MK seven By day eight,
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  Speaker 3: you're getting close to four hundred micrograms in the blood.
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  Speaker 3: So whatever you're taking, plan on eventually having roughly four
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  Speaker 3: times as much in your blood pretty consistently, even though
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  Speaker 3: the half life will continue to filter down until there
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  Speaker 3: is none of that very first pill. But suffice to say,
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  Speaker 3: it's roughly around four hundred micrograms. So for most of us,
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  Speaker 3: taking one hundred micrograms of MK seven is plenty a day,
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  Speaker 3: especially when most of the research says between two hundred
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  Speaker 3: and forty three hundred micrograms is sufficient. We've done a
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  Speaker 3: lot more and it seems that there is no upper
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  Speaker 3: limit issue with taking you know, K two, but we
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  Speaker 3: don't technically need to have that much of MK seven.
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  Speaker 3: So MK four would be the bigger dose. MK seven
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  Speaker 3: would be the smaller dose form of K two. I
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  Speaker 3: hope that makes sense. You might have to re listen
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  Speaker 3: to that, and again the transform is the form we
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  Speaker 3: would prefer. Now, could you eat nto? Three and a
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  Speaker 3: half ounces of NATO is one thousand micrograms of MK seven.
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  Speaker 3: Why is that significant? Because Japanese women tend to eat
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  Speaker 3: a lot of NATO, and there's these little pockets of
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  Speaker 3: women that eat lots of NATO, and they find that
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  Speaker 3: their incidence of osteoporosis is nil, and amazingly enough, they
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  Speaker 3: don't tend to get sick either, and their cancer are
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  Speaker 3: their cancers are lower two. And yet they're taking one
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  Speaker 3: thousand or more micrograms a day. So are we going
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  Speaker 3: to be okay doing one hundred micrograms a day? Are
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  Speaker 3: we worried about a building up to four hundred micrograms?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 3: Could you in all reality do a thousand micrograms a
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  Speaker 3: day of MK seven. I suppose it's going to build
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  Speaker 3: up to four thousand micrograms a day in your blood.
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  Speaker 3: But it seems to be obviously well tolerated since they
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  Speaker 3: tend to live quite long in Japan and they don't
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  Speaker 3: tend to have a lot of extra weight. But it's
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  Speaker 3: been pretty neat to read some of the research on
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  Speaker 3: osteoporosis and of itself. For those of you that want
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  Speaker 3: to know a little more, I will be going through
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  Speaker 3: this in later podcasts in the series, but let's just
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  Speaker 3: cover it now, so you have it osteoporosis. What they
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  Speaker 3: find is that women that are starting down that road
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  Speaker 3: of osteoporosis when we give them MK seven, and they're
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  Speaker 3: not giving them big doses. By the way, they basically
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  Speaker 3: halt their decrease or degradation of their bone. And what
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  Speaker 3: we know that MK seven and MK four or just
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  Speaker 3: simply K two does is it activates osteocalcium, and so
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  Speaker 3: that is an important little element that helps our bone
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  Speaker 3: not give up calcium too much but continue to remodel
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  Speaker 3: and stay healthy. And so when you give K two
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  Speaker 3: to women that are having osteoporosis or showing osteopenia, it
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  Speaker 3: stops that progression. Three years later they show little to
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  Speaker 3: no bone loss. And that's all they've done. Now they've
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  Speaker 3: not shown that it reabsorbs or that it gets any better.
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  Speaker 3: But they haven't done bigger dose experiments that I have seen,
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  Speaker 3: and so they may they may be working on them
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  Speaker 3: as we speak, and they may be coming out soon
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  Speaker 3: where they say, hey, one thousand micrograms a day of
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  Speaker 3: MK seven with a good calcium supplement, you'll find that
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  Speaker 3: the bone will start to reabsorb calcium and become stronger
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  Speaker 3: and actually reverse osteoporosis. But the companies that are producing
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  Speaker 3: Fossomax and all these drugs, do you think they want
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  Speaker 3: that out?
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  Speaker 2: You'd be right they don't, So.
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  Speaker 3: Some of these researchers that may be doing this research,
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  Speaker 3: they may be having pressure put on them to not
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  Speaker 3: do these things too. I'm just here to let you know. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty certain that when they take someone who has
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  Speaker 3: osteoporosis and they start giving them K two and that's
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  Speaker 3: it and it stops, I'm thinking, why are we not
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  Speaker 3: adding a whole bone matrix or something like a bone
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  Speaker 3: meal that's raw bone, and let's see can we actually
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  Speaker 3: increase bone density. I have a sneaking suspicion that we
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  Speaker 3: absolutely can. And I've read in a book that they
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  Speaker 3: had a woman who was pregnant and she did not
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  Speaker 3: do the appropriate nutrition. That was, oh, it's I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to call it recommended, but in their particular culture
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  Speaker 3: of where this woman was, they actually prep women or
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  Speaker 3: mom's before pregnancy and during pregnancy so that the baby
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  Speaker 3: has a tremendous amount of nutrition.
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  Speaker 2: And are.
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  Speaker 3: They're white. They have these wide jaws, and all of
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  Speaker 3: their teeth come in not crooked. And they had this
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  Speaker 3: one gal that did not abide by the diet, and
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  Speaker 3: our first child, the teeth were horrible. They were literally
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  Speaker 3: rotting out of the child's head by age five or six,
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  Speaker 3: and they did something profound. They improved her diet, and
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  Speaker 3: then they fed her correctly through her next pregnancy. Now,
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  Speaker 3: women that have successive pregnancies, each child gets less and
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  Speaker 3: less typically because women don't typically change their diet, they'll
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  Speaker 3: do a prem at But it takes a lot of
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  Speaker 3: nutrition to grow a seven eight nine pound infant with placenta,
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  Speaker 3: all of it together weighing eight nine ten pounds, and
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  Speaker 3: sustain it healthy. But when they did this with her
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  Speaker 3: her second child, all the teeth came in beautifully straight
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  Speaker 3: and did not struggle with any conditions, had perfect health.
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  Speaker 3: So if you're a mom out there hearing this and
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  Speaker 3: you've already had one kid and you're like, my kid
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  Speaker 3: is not healthy, there is good news here. At what
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  Speaker 3: age does the body not want to try to be
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  Speaker 3: healthy and reinvigorate its own circuitry so to speak that
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  Speaker 3: we would call our cells. Everybody's body wants to heal
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  Speaker 3: and repair given the opportunity. And I have a sneaking
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  Speaker 3: suspicion that K two may be hugely important in a
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  Speaker 3: vast array of different health conditions, and we're going to
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  Speaker 3: get into those over the next couple of podcasts. I
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  Speaker 3: have actually divided them up because there are so many
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  Speaker 3: conditions that K two helps. So I hope you enjoyed
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  Speaker 3: this one. It was a bit technical for those of
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  Speaker 3: you that want to know and want to know why
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  Speaker 3: you're taking it and how to take it and what
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  Speaker 3: makes the most sense for me and for your family.
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  Speaker 3: You're right up my alley. Until next time, I'm doctor Troy,
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  Speaker 3: and remember there is way more right with you than
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  Speaker 3: there is wrong with you.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for listening. If you have any questions or comments,
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  Speaker 4: you can reach doctor Munson at three six to zero
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