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Prove Them Wrong · Sports Exchange

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Good evening everybody, and welcome to Sports Exchange. Yes, we have a
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little bit of a different look today because Scott is not with us today.
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He is actually recovering from a medical procedure that he had earlier today. So
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in steps me a different version of Scott right, the softer, more gentle.
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He wouldn't think that, but I have a dynamo crew. So my
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crew consists of next to me George Icorn, good evening, good to be
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with you, good with you too, and beneath me is Jacob Christener,
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the pundits funding the I'm glad to be here today, and then there's jb
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Ellis. How's everybody? It's gone. So I'm going to start us off
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with our first topic, and our first topic is going to be talking about
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old versus new kind of when we're talking about the transfer portal, because I
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want to talk about Tom Brady. Tom Brady never saw the field his first
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year at the University of Michigan. In his second year, he attempted a
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total of five passes. He was so buried on the Wolverine depth chart that
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he went into a head coach Lloyd Carr's office to request a release, which
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was the rule back then so he could transfer to another program. Maybe he
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wasn't good enough, maybe the coaches were missing some thing, maybe it was
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a combination. Whatever it was, he wanted out. It'll be the biggest
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mistake of your life. Carl told Brady. You came here to be the
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best. You came here because of the great competition. If you walk away
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now, you'll always wish you had stayed and tried to compete. You'll always
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wonder what would have happened if you stayed. Carl told him to take the
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night to think it over. If Brady still wanted to transfer, he would
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help. Carl would help him. The next day, Brady arrived at the
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coach's office with a new mindset. He said, I'm staying and I'm going
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to prove to you I am a great quarterback. Nowadays, we see these
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quarterbacks or other positions players saying I want to transfer out. I'm going to
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join the portal. In fact, I believe the numbers at at least fifteen
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hundred already since Monday. Tell me your thoughts about the transfer portal and whether
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you think it is good for the game or not. And we're going to
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start with George Oh, lucky me, lucky. This is ridiculous, utterly
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ridiculous. I'm sorry, I am not a fan of this. When I
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heard those numbers, Candy and guys, I could not believe it. I
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was flabbergasted that it was that high within the first couple of days after what
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was the end of the season for most of the obviously the regular season is
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over now and most of the teams that some of which are gearing up for
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the bowl season. Well, of course, if you go into the portal,
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you're probably not going to want to play for the old team. You
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won't be allowed or whatever's going to happen with all those bowl game participants.
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But I think it's just gone completely overboard. I mean, it's gotten way
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out of hand. And I'm glad you brought up that story about Brady because
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that's a classic and Lloyd Carr was one of the nicest guys in one of
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the best coaches you know in Michigan football history. Obviously, I put them
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right up there, right after Bo Schaumbeckler. And it's a great story,
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and I'm glad you repeated it, like I said, Candy, because it
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tells a lot of an era that we don't have anymore. Let's face it.
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I mean that was an era where, yeah, we wanted you to
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stay. Sorry, we don't have reps for you right now in year one
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or like you said, even in year two. And of course nobody could
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predict his start. I mean, you know, yeah, you had good
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tools, he had good arm, good whatever. But Tom Brady's case,
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I mean, you know, he stuck it out and that's a that's just
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a great story. So getting back to your question, no, I'm not
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a big fan of it, and I'm a paul that these numbers are so
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high. I'm sorry, call me old school, call me what you want,
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but it's gotten way out of hand. JB. Your take. So,
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I mean part of the numbers, though, are kids that are playing
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fifty year graduate school ball, So that part you got to throw in there.
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So that's a decent percentage. Those are probably guys that are never gonna
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get to the NFL, or you know, may want to just play another
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year so that they have a better chance of getting drafted higher. But I
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would think in all honesty, most college kids that are playing any sport probably
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go through what Tom went through and whether they decide to go into the portal
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or not. I think that's a natural reaction. Something's going to happen through
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the course of season or a game, and it's gonna it's gonna bring you
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to that point where you say, do I want to really be here?
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Because at eighteen nineteen twenty, you don't have the maturity that you have when
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you get to your thirties at older life that we all have now, you
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know, at twenty. I get that without a doubt. You know that
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that's an issue. But my thinking would be the amount of people though.
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When they changed the rule also, they went down to where they used to
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have, you know, a longer period where it got the kids had to
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sit out. I'm glad that they changed that part of it because it kind
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of stunk. If the coach left, you wanted a transfer, you had
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to sit out so long. They kind of changed that rule, amitting a
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little bit quicker for the kids to get it back into the game. But
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I still think that because it's so easy not to transfer, it takes away
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from building teams. So, I mean, there's pros and cons to it,
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and I see both sides, and I think Tom Brady story is not
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a unique one. You know, I think it happens to ninety nine percent
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of college college athletes because there's always some sort of dilemma, whether it's being
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away from home the first time, you're not getting the playing time. You
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were the best person in your high school. Now you know you're playing with
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better competition, you're the best anymore. So I think there's a bunch of
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different reasons why that's not anique story, and I'm glad that there's the options
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there, but I think it's overused. Jacob. Two things to this story
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here. Number one, the whole I had read the Brady story. Part
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of the thing was after he got out of Car's office, he went to
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one of the lower assistant coaches. The assistant coach said to him, Okay,
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you're getting two reps. And at this point he's getting maybe one rep
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and maybe zero. Sometimes you get two of make the very best two reps.
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I mean to the point where you're in the Super Bowl. Run out
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there like it's a super Bowl. Even if it's two reps, no one
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sees you. He'd he finally got like two reps one day, nailed them,
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and then it was like a week he nailed those. Now all of
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a sudden those five reps. Then ten later in the camp he'd gotten from
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four string to third string. And then it goes on and on and on,
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and it's the whole idea. You you just make everything makes sense serious,
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not makes sense, but just serious that you treat everything, even if
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it's just little, you treat it like it's a super Bowl. That was
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the one. But the thing about this right now is I got another name.
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Right now is just gonna be transferring Kyle McCord. And why is he
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transferred? This is gonna be on pundent tomorrow night. But I was giving
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a little review of this. He's in it because he was getting threatened by
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the stupid fan base for Louison to Michigan. So he's transferring out. And
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again I hate fans for a reason, so many of them. I hate
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them. It's like, maybe I don't care if you lost a lot of
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money in your bets. I don't care if you're in the arrival. I
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don't care. There's still human beings. And you're a thirteen year old,
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emotional teenage girl about a twenty five year old body. This is what you
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are, and you are like a field swifty, justin field swifty, only
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that's a forty year old man in your old mind. It's like it is
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whatsoever that it's like. And now you're going to lose a quarterback, and
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what happens that the other quarterback isn't better? And so the second I either
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way though, But the whole transfer deal by itself, you're saying it,
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right, JB. A lot of them are that. But then there are
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some you got like Spencer Rattler who left and now you want to go to
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the NFL Draft. It'll be a seventh round pick maybe maybe, And that's
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one of those things you can just hurt yourself with your whole situation because in
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your own egos, Let's face it, times have definitely changed since Brady was
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you know, at Michigan, sport has changed, Nil has changed things,
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and let's face it, coaches have changed and coaches are on the hot seat
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so much quicker. So it could be that you were you came to a
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school because of a coach, and now the coach might be there anymore.
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So is that maybe why you want to transfer. There's a lot of reasons.
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I think I do think it. Some are good, some are not
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good. But I think it depends that yes is being overused at this point.
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But I you know, and I feel bad for Kyle because, let's
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face it, they only have one loss on their season. He was eleven
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and one as a starter for Ohio State and yet now he's transferring out crazy
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times. Yeah, for sure, for sure, but that loss is always
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a big one obviously, with that's the biggest game of the year for both
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those teams typically, And but it'll be a different ballgame next year when the
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expansion of the Big Ten takes place, right, because they might not play
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each other every year now, right, So moving on, there's another controversial
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college football playoffs question is should Florida State be in or be out? A
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lot of people are talking about this. Let's start with Jacob this time.
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It is a hard thing. They should be in. But gotta remember this
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part whatsoever, If it was Jordan, if it was if it was their
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quarterback ding get blue Head didn't bowls knee out, they would be. Let's
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just be very honest. That third string quarterback was horrible and they did not
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want to get a first round where they lose forty five to seven, which
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that's about the score to lose to Georgia. If that guy's playing, it's
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like, that's exactly Hello, Fernando, how are you? It's like hello,
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Ralph illanois No, that is exactly what's going to be, and that's
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what they were afraid of. And it's all I think the whole deal with
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Iowa when they lost the game against Minnesota, not saying that they had a
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big playoff chance, but I always say something along the line it's still television,
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it's still entertainment. And when they lost the Minnesota because a stupid call,
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there's no question TV had a reason for that because they don't want Iowa
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near that and a possibility of a six y three halftime score or three nothing
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because Iowa's defense was so good and they're afraid of those type of things.
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And the biggest thing about Florida State is that has the possibility of that with
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a third string quarterback. So do I think they belong there? Yes,
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because of their body of work. Did I believe the minute that that kid
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was in there and they saw that that they weren't going to put him in?
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Absolutely? It's this is they just saw the kid play Like no way,
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JB. It's absolutely absurd. It's criminal. It's disgusting. It's everything
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wrong with college football the way it is. They were undefeated, they played
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a Power five conference, They beat everybody on their dam schedule. I don't
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care if George was playing a quarterback, if Jacob was playing quarterback, it
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doesn't make a difference. They did. You know, they won the ACC
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championship. They beat a good Louisville team, doesn't matter. I mean,
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the damn kids said he wishes he would have hurt his leg earlier in the
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year so that his team would have been given a fair fair shot. How
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absurd is that that he would have to say that, you know, how
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what is wrong with the college football playoff? Meanwhile, Alabama, who happened
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to be Georgia but lost to Texas somehow, is right fourth. So they
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beat Georgia, George is the champion, And then why isn't Georgia because of
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the champion last year? They're one losses to Alabama, who really hasn't done
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much. They're not an impressive team, so if you're going to put them
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in Florida State, shoulda And why do we skip over Georgia? The committee
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has put two SEC teams in before and it happened where you know, the
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number two seeds of the SEC beat the number one seed and we put them
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both in. So why aren't they both in? But to exclude Florida State
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is criminal. They are undefeated, they took care of everybody. They were
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by far the best team of the ACC and you can only play who's on
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your schedule. Schedules are done years in advance. It's not like they woke
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up, you know, some time a first that said okay, these are
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our games, this is who we're playing. You know this is probably done
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five six years ago. They went out there, took care of everybody,
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the defense stepped up after the injury to the quarterback. It's absurd. And
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this is the problem with the college football playoffs. It's going to get worse
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now with twelve teams because it's not the answer. To have twelve teams.
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Six teams was the answer. Every power conference would have gotten their first the
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winner and that was it. If you won your conference, you're in,
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and then the best group of five team and we're happy. We don't need
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twelve twelve meets. Alabama is going to be in every year. Do we
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want to see Alabama? No, it's gonna be Alabama, Michigan, Georgia,
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Ohio State every year, you know, Notre Dame. Probably that's my
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point, Notre Dame, that that's doing this because of Notre Dame. It's
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gonna be the same teams. You'll get one or two sprinkled in that will
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be new every year, but it's gonna be monotonous and boring. So you're
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right. I'm just saying this, JB. I'm agreeing with you. Don't
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get that wrong. I think it's ridiculous. I want you to know that.
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The thing about it is when I saw that game with Florida State and
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Louisville, I'm like, they're not making it. Even if we all do
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they were going to make it. I had a bet that they weren't going
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to make it. You know, great odds. But you're saying, like
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what you were saying though about that is you were saying Georgia and all them
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bringing them in Alabama. That goes without saying. The whole point is Notre
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Dame. The whole point they want that they have a big following. They
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want that rating. And you realize the best thing that the committee did,
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which was hysterical, they threw out the guy from North Carolina State. I
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think of what his title was, I want to say athletic directive, but
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I could be wrong to explain why they didn't choose Florida State. So they
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used the guy on the committee from the ACC to say why the best team
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of their conference to get in, you know, and then of course the
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conference is defending Florida State, so you know, it's just it's a horrible
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look, it really is. George Well, I cannot disagree with either of
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my colleagues, any of you. I thought it was a terrible decision too.
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And you're right, JB about Georgia. I mean, I could see
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them dropping from one to four, but not totally out of the picture after
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they put together quite a great season. But the fact that these guys and
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the old thing is sitting in his cigar smoke room, you know, making
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these kind of decisions about who's going and who's not, it's just not right
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as far as that goes. You can't do that with a team like you
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guys said, you know, power five and undefeated. I mean, Florida
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State deserves to be in this tournament. Four team tournament, I call it.
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It's just I think it's ludicrous. I really do. I mean,
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there's no question about it. They love They're in love with Alabama, you
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know. And I know a lot of the nations in love with Alabama.
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I have you know, I have it locally here too. There's a big
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Alabama contingent near where I live. So I mean, the thing is is
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that you know you're trying to play God, so to speak. I mean,
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you know, these guys making these decisions and basing it on. And
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I know what you're saying, Jacob about the kid. You know, he's
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third string or whatever. But the fact of the matter is the team deserved.
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It's a team thing. There's not just one player deserving it or one
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player got hurt and oh my god, we can't take a chance of having
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them play. You know, look at TCU made it last year and then
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Michigan goes and loses to them. But I hell of a game, but
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a high scoring game. But nobody expected that either, you know, last
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year. I'm just saying that, No, I think there was an injustice.
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I think it was wrong. And of course, like you said,
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though, guys, next year's gonna be different. It's gonna be bigger,
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wider, and probably probably not good. Football. I agree next year too
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many, too many, twelve, So I agree, I agree that they
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should have been in we I witnessed one of their games. Just because one
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of your players goes down did not change it changed how many points they scored
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per game. It did not change the fact that they won all their games.
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So they did what they needed to do to win every single game.
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Who is to say that they couldn't go against Alabama, Texas, Michigan,
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any of those and beat them, because that's why you play the game.
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So would it may maybe it would have been one maybe one sided. They
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put in the favorites because they want ratings. Let's face it, it's money.
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It has to do with money. I feel bad for Florida State.
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I feel bad for every member of that on that team because they really deserve
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to be in there. And what does that tell them that they're not good
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enough? And how does that third string quarterback feel right now? And Travis
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that got hurt, Like I'm just I'm sick about it, be honest with
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you. I really say this real quick. When we got to the next
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I was gonna say this. If there's anybody that saw right away from the
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Florida State deal, just thinking no, it didn't matter they had two losses
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going to anything. We'll just say this, if there's anybody that didn't ever
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saw what would have happened if they would have zero or one loss in violin,
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if they would have had that because they watched a Florida State deal,
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they would have It just showed that whole Florida State deals showed that ioway that
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they would have been undfeated, would have been screwed out. Even if they
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would have been because every had done in their games, if they would have
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had it would have been like thirteen ten. Like six of them this year
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were like thirteen ten or whatever. The score sixteen thirty three points. It's
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like and if they would have been undefeated like that, if Florida State things
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showed they would have been screwed. So's Jacob. They sent out the guy
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from the ACC to defend their decision. Yeah, that would be like,
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okay, right, you know, we're all part of the sports like shage,
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so you know, we all think it's a great show, and it's
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Scott coming out and say, you know, that's not that good of a
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show. It's pretty bad. You know how horrible that is? It just
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doesn't make sense. It's your conference. You don't come out there and say
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that'll just because you're on the committee, say no, somebody else do it
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unless he really felt that way, which is even worse. No agreed,
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but I'm just saying that's really showing it. And what's crazy about that is
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when I was saying it with Iowa, they literally have to go get themselves
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a OC that matches the pill Parker, the defensive coordinator. They'd be get
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someone that matches that their greatness and try to get forty points a game,
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because it just shows you're not just going to get thirteen and get it.
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Florida. Yeah, and they screwed Florida State, so they everybody else is
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gonna get screwed like that from here. They just telling that right there.
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And now I heard that their wide receiver Wilson has come out and said he's
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not even gonna play in the Orange Ball, which I know is totally unrelated,
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but that's one of the repercussions a great player like that. Now we're
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going to be deprived of seeing him play because he's, uh, he's told
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them the stuff at Florida State. He's gonna he's gonna wait for the NFL
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Draft, and I know that happens in quite a few instances, but that
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would not have happened. Would not have happened if if Florida State was in
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the playoffs, right, And there's I think one or two that are have
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entered the transfer portal as well. It's just sad. It's a sad state.
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And next year when they have twelve, is the thirteenth going to be
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the one that's going to be saying I got screwed out, Like I don't
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know everybody that's a full defensive That's what my point was with those when I
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said that the Iowa Florida State deal. So I'm saying anybody that does,
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anybody that doesn't have a high end deep, high end offense that you know
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that that is pretty on TV gone and it will be fair. It happens
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now. At college basketball, they went to sixty eight, there's always a
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team that feels they should have been in. But in football it's completely different.
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I mean, one loss and you're done. I kind of get it,
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but it depends on who you lose to. I mean, to me,
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I still think Georgia belongs to the in the playoffs, Florida State belongs
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to the playoffs, Texas definitely belongs that, Washington belongs. There's someone as
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Michigan. You can't have five teams, right, you know. So that's
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the problem if you if you go through it, Alabama's going to go because
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they lost to Texas, so they're the first ones I cut. Then after
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that you know who gets cut second. You know, I'm not cutting a
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team that's undefeated. So Florida State's in no matter what. You can't cut
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Michigan or Washington, you know. So that's where there was too many teams
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in that in that spot this year. You know, if you went with
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the six, it's clear cut. If you win your conference, you know
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you're in. You can't argue that any where. There's no there's no second
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guessing whoever did it. It's you know, black and white. This is
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all gray. And if we come together, we're the committee. You know
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what, I don't like harboars, so we're not going to take Michigan.
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I don't like this, you know, I don't like Florida State's colors or
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what they're A D said, so they're out. You don't know what the
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criteria is because they want to defeat it. What more criteria do you need
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exactly? You know, and you bring that up, JB. You brought
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up to sixty eight. You know who would get screw I'm not saying out
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of every tournament, but even rankings and everything. If he was a coach
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now, Bob Knight, that slow triangle offense that yeah, by sixty points
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a game. If he was that close and they had choices, they'd screw
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him out, just because everybody on television is looking for pretty and flashy and
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everything now, and to Bob Knight was all defense at a slow triangle and
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it was just and it was just the thing. It's like back in those
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days, it didn't matter. He became a legend because of his time.
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And it's the truth. There's so many different ways now. It's like every
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it's hard to be a legend. You have to literally be flashy to be
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the next topic. Let's switch over. Let's go to baseball. Let's talk
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a little bit. Where do we think Shohei Otani is going to land.
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He's supposedly supposed to be making his decision this weekend. So where do we
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think he's gonna land. We're gonna start with JB this time. It's a
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great question, my honest opinion. Either San Francisco or Seattle where I'd like
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to see him go? Chicago or the Ikes. Okay, Okay, George,
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I don't know. I heard a comment or two from Dave Roberts of
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the Dodgers last night, and I know they are making a really big push
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to sign him. I would never bet against them, I really wouldn't because
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of the money situation. They seem to always have enough funds available. And
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of course the Yankees do too, we know that. But I'm you know,
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I would like to see him in Seattle. I mean, you know,
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because the Pacific Northwest, you know, they don't I mean, the
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Mariners have been a good team, but they're not over the hump. They're
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not getting into the playoffs at all, or if they are, they don't
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go very far. That would be another that would be my choice in in
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Seattle, And I guess my second choice would be I would have to say
26:47
the Yankees because the Bronx it's it's you know, it's it's full of so
26:52
much character and history, you know. And I know they play in a
26:56
new stadium where a lot of the a lot of guys that we knew as
27:00
heroes did not play. But I think it's just it'd be great to see
27:04
him in pinstrikes. But I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Seattle as my favorite,
27:07
though, Jacob, to me, the one chance of the one chance
27:15
of the Cubs getting them is if they got they have Sayah Suzuki, if
27:18
they would get that picture Dell with Mote I believe, and then they had
27:22
that if they would get him. I think they got him, but that's
27:26
just because they have all the Asian players on the team, the ones that
27:29
he won. But truthfully, I think it's Toronto or Seattle. Toronto because
27:34
Toronto slash Vancouver are very Asian areas. Seattle is a very Asian or friendly
27:40
area. I think those type of areas whatsoever. But another thing I want
27:44
to give to and I want to give a little shout if the shot,
27:47
shout out a shout at to Chris Matt dog Russo. He's all mad because
27:52
he wants to make because because they want to make this silent, because o'tani
27:56
wants to make this silent. There's a reason. It's because of you.
28:02
It's because of you and the media. That's why they want to make it
28:06
silent. He doesn't want anybody to give away his play. He does.
28:11
You're all mild mouse, you all make that you make up things up begin
28:15
with. I mean, we're gonna have this another thing on depundent tomorrow night.
28:19
We're gonna be making fun thing the way that they do the media,
28:23
the way that they will have Okay, we have that contrasting opinion on everything.
28:26
They make things up, then they don't have it. He's trying to
28:30
keep it silent because of you, Matt Dog Russ so, you and the
28:36
rest. So the big thing about this, I think those deals, But
28:40
personally to me, I hope he keeps it even more silent until that point
28:45
because this is why I say this up not necessarily at for the media.
28:48
I want us at Tribune South and Sidelines Sports to get all of them so
28:53
they trust us. I want us to get all the questions in the next
28:57
few years because they try trust us. Now we're going to give a good
29:02
thing. We're going to ask proper questions and we're not going to make things
29:04
up. But we're not going to be doing that kind of thing. You
29:07
understand what I'm saying, JB. Yes, it's like I said, when
29:11
I blast on the media, if because I want us to get it all,
29:15
it's because so we can be fair and we're honest. So JB.
29:22
On the subject of baseball, the New York Yankees are on the verge of
29:26
landing one of baseball's top hitters Juan Soto and Trent Grisham. How do you
29:30
feel I'm not high on anything that the Yankees have done recently, We're going
29:37
back to what we did in the eighties, where everything's about stars and nothing
29:41
is about the farm system. See in the eighties, the Yankees had the
29:48
best record of baseball. In the nineties, the Yankees won the most World
29:52
Series of baseball. Which would you rather have as a Yankee fed? I
29:56
was thrilled to the nineties. The eighties was fun because of a Yankee fed
30:00
and you know, my favorite player of all time played. But I enjoyed
30:03
the nineties much more because we won World Series, you know, and they
30:07
want it by young young kids that they brought up and they developed a guy
30:12
named Derek Jeter, Marianna Rivera, you know, they Porgee Pisada, Bernie
30:18
Williams, they were all in their farm system. They developed them and they
30:23
became the core of that team. It's exactly what the Cubs are doing the
30:27
Tigers are doing. You know, when you get the right guys and you
30:32
build them and they grow in the organization, they play together, and then
30:36
you bring in the right veterans like they brought in Tino Martinez, automatically retired
30:41
Scott Rowland, that scotrolling up DAYE. Boggs Charlie Hayes. You know,
30:48
they brought in the right guys here and there, joh Wetland to be the
30:52
closer. They found the right veterans to put with the mix with the younger
30:57
kids and they want, you know, and it was kind of like what
31:02
the Cubs did this year with Bellager, you know, not that I mean
31:07
his was more of a show me deal, but it was a great move,
31:11
a good veteran to have with a lot of young kids, you know.
31:14
And that's what you have to do. You have to develop guys.
31:17
You can't just go out of trade to get the or sign the best free
31:19
agents to think you're gonna win. It doesn't work that way. Otherwise,
31:22
the Dodgers would never lose, the Yankes would never lose. Every World Series
31:26
would be La New York. Doesn't work that way, Jacob, your thoughts
31:32
on that tree. I'm completely in agreement with that part. But one of
31:36
the things I feel like when they keep going after millions, I feel like
31:38
I say, with Steinbrenner and Hall have to live up to George. I
31:42
really believe he gets into that level. But they also forget, like JB
31:48
said, what did they do they go to win in the first place.
31:52
It's like this was pretty much after George, basically after George was suspended.
31:55
Wasn't a jab when they did all that, When they did all that,
31:59
Yeah, Jeane michael Over, Yeah, they did that, and they did
32:01
and they and they did it slowly and surely, and they got things back.
32:07
They got it back. And those are the points of everything. They've
32:09
got to remember. Here's the thing, the one thing about two things that
32:14
get to the Yankee to be there. There's those uniforms, uniforms and the
32:19
tradition, and and then I can't even be in the stadium anymore because it's
32:22
a newer stadium. But I'm saying that it's it's the uniforms and that tradition
32:28
that gets there. But for them to get something like that, they're gonna
32:31
have to act like the Saint Louis Cardinals. I'm sorry to say that Cardinals
32:35
had a bad year this year. They're gonna have to act like that and
32:37
be able to get to those levels and get newer name again, get some
32:42
younger people, and get get the like to say, Baltic Avenue and all
32:45
those types, you know what, that will help them out instead of trying
32:49
to just bash everything all the time to get three hundred million dollars. George,
32:54
your thoughts, Well, it's a tough, sticky situation. I know
33:00
the Yankees are in obviously. I mean they have not gotten the postseason regularly,
33:07
They've not been in the World Series and have not water World Series in
33:09
a long time. And just today, three out of the top ten players
33:15
in the Rule five draft were taken from the Yankees. So you know what
33:22
you were talking about, JB. There is a lot of mirior to that.
33:24
Obviously, the Yankees are still doing a good job scouting and conditioning and
33:30
selecting these guys to play. Because the first two picks were Mitch Spence and
33:37
Matt Sower and they went to the Oakland Athletics and the Kansas City Royals.
33:42
And then on the tenth pick, Carson Coleman, a right handed pitcher.
33:45
Texas took him from the New York farm system. So there's no question at
33:50
the Yankees. But for some reason, like you explained, JB. You
33:55
know, a lot of the mindset has always been big, big and bigger,
34:00
you know, and we got to sign this guy and got to sign
34:01
that guy. Don't get me wrong, they have developed some people in their
34:06
system. Of course they have, but they haven't gone full into it.
34:10
Like you mentioned, the Tigers are, or like maybe the Cubs are,
34:13
or Cleveland has always been full into it. Tampa Bay's another one, you
34:16
know that has been full into development our own talent here. But like I
34:22
said, proof in the Pudding, three of the ten rule five draft picks
34:27
were plucked away from the Yankees today. That's a concern of mine if I'm
34:30
a Yankees fan, because you're given away youthful people, but you're protecting guys.
34:37
Don't get me wrong, some of them are really good, but some
34:40
of them are retreads, and you just can't keep buying and buying and buying.
34:45
We know what happens when that happens. Most of the times, you
34:49
never win anything if you keep adding to the payroll constantly. There are exceptions
34:53
to that, of course, but my feeling is that, well, you
34:58
know, if these big guys want to come to the yank he's that's all
35:00
well and good, but you know, don't forget about the farm system.
35:02
The farm hands are the ones that will really develop your team. And I'm
35:07
a firm believer about that. You know, in Major League Baseball, agreed,
35:13
agreed, going switching from baseball to football. When I first started this
35:21
season, I talked about how and we're going to talk about my Packers.
35:25
You guys know what they're near and dear, but we all talked about how
35:30
we thought, how was Jordan Love gonna do? And how is Matt Lafleur
35:35
was gonna do? My question is is do you guys think Brian Gutenhurst deserves
35:44
credit for this year? Now, let's go back to the fact that,
35:49
yes, he got rid of the MVP Aaron Rodgers and traded him away.
35:55
But Alan Lazard had a forty four million dollar contract. He's now on the
36:02
Jets. Randall Cobb left the Packers. He's now on the Jets. He's
36:08
played seven snaps this year. Let's see the between Lazard and Cobb. They
36:15
they have played fifty four snaps. Offensive lineman Billy Turner played two snaps on
36:23
special teams. Safety Adrian Amos played seven snaps on defense. Offensive coordinator Nathaniel
36:34
Hackett has no answers without Rogers available to run the show like an orchestra conductor.
36:42
Sometimes the best transactions are the ones that aren't made. Guten Course could
36:45
have resigned Lazard or Cobb to give Love that much talked about veteran receiver.
36:52
He could have retained Robert Tanyan or Mercedes Lewis to help the rookie tight ends.
36:58
He could have brought back Amos aliable starter the previous four seasons. He
37:02
could have gone with Jared Reid and or Dean Lowry rather than going young on
37:07
the defensive line. Lazard and Cobb have a total of twenty three catches for
37:13
the Jets. Rookies Jayden Red and Devanyan Wicks have fifty six for the Packers.
37:20
Tanya and Tanyan and Lewis have nine catches for the Bears. Rookies Luke
37:25
Musgrave and Tucker Craft have forty for the Packers. Amos has twenty three tackles
37:31
for the Jets. Rudy Ford and Jonathan Owens, who were given one year
37:37
deals by the Packers, have combined for one hundred and one. Owens was
37:40
one of the best players on the field against Georgia Lyons. So who has
37:49
What I'm saying is we were giving all the credit to Jordan Love. Is
37:54
he going to be good? Is he not going to be good? Matt
37:57
Lafleur, what do we think about Brian gutten course and what he's done.
38:01
I'm going to start with you, George, Well, he's done a lot.
38:07
Let's let's put it that way. I never, never, never,
38:12
and I haven't been on the since Thanksgiving, so I haven't had a chance
38:15
to talk to you guys about the upset that happened in ford Field. But
38:21
no, I do give him a lot of credit. I mean, you
38:22
know, you got Jordan Love. He's what one hundred and thirty four yards
38:25
I believe, away from three thousand already. He's got twenty two touchdown passes.
38:30
The and the Packers are sitting six and six. They're still in the
38:34
haunt for a wild card, along with Minnesota being six and six. I
38:39
think that some of the moves certainly look good on paper. I know Aaron
38:45
Rodgers, they said he called in and talked to McAfee and told him that
38:50
he's very pleased with the way Love has developed a shared a quarterback. And
38:53
I have to agree with that. I mean, we all knew it was
38:58
going to be a learning curve and it's still is. Don't get us wrong,
39:00
I mean it still is. I mean, you know, this is
39:02
his first full season at the Helm. But I think Jordan has done a
39:07
really good job. You know, some of the players that you mentioned Candy
39:09
that you know wanted to go and or Rogers wanted them to go to to
39:14
New York haven't haven't worked out. And of course his injury is just was
39:19
just horrible, you know, as far as the Jets season goes Rogers himself.
39:23
So yeah, I would say management has done a pretty good job.
39:27
I mean, you know, it's tough being a general manager in the NFL,
39:30
and it's difficult, and Detroit seems to have gotten you know, a
39:36
real good guy and a new and a and a new regime in there,
39:39
and and sometimes you know whether he's new or not. But the question is
39:44
is that can you improve upon this? You're the Packers. You want to
39:49
make it better this year, yes, you still got time, but next
39:52
year as well. So the total jury might be out on him. But
39:55
yeah, I think he's done a good job at the Helm. I really
39:59
do. I think I think he's done okay so far. And despite all
40:02
the losses that have happened with players moving around and hiring and you know a
40:07
lot of injuries to it come out. Let's face it, I mean,
40:09
the Packers have been hurt with so many injuries, so they're doing well.
40:15
They're doing well at six and six, and they sure shocked a lot of
40:17
Lions fans and a lot of people around America with that went on on Thanksgiving
40:22
Day, GV. So I ended up the Snaps as you were talking.
40:28
It comes out, I think to seventy one if you include Rogers, that
40:31
is absurd. That is listen, just for that load executive of the year
40:38
to get rid of all that money of the salary cap for seventy one snaps,
40:45
you know, that's not even a game for one player. So that
40:51
is alone. And then I mean, as far as the development of Jordan
40:54
Love, you know, I'm glad to see what he's doing. It's hard
40:59
to to be behind an MVP and have them leave and you get forced into
41:06
starting and you know, taking over for that person. To see him have
41:09
a little bit of success, I'm glad for him because that's a lot of
41:15
weight on his shoulders. He's stepping up to the challenge, he's doing what
41:19
he needs to do. Lafleur showing that he's, you know, a good
41:24
coach by actually what he gave is with add Aaron Rodgers, and you know
41:30
what it's it's actually a football team that you pay attention to it. You
41:35
can actually take some pride in without hearing stupid comments and all the distractions.
41:40
It's about football, you know, it's not about anything else. And I'm
41:45
glad to see what they're doing. It's a fun thing to say, Jacob.
41:52
You know, let me say this part right here for going to goodenas
41:53
by the way, let me say that I was wrong. I was wrong.
42:00
I was wrong about Jordan Low, you know. I mean, there
42:02
aren't too many things I'm wrong about, but I will call it out when
42:05
I see it. I was wrong. And he's gone well past the thought
42:08
process that I had because I said zero wins as a packer I missed.
42:14
Now that I got that part out of the way, he let me say
42:15
this thing here. He's doing Kods is doing a tremendous job with this.
42:21
And he is the example of what I keep talking about with like especially with
42:25
Bears and Steelers fans and all these others that keep wanting to tear a park
42:29
the mint they have an incomplete pass. This is the point I say,
42:32
what he's doing. He is getting rid of the he's getting rid of all
42:39
the older people. He's letting the young ones play, but get rid of
42:44
Kondra's stupid contracts. They are and they can be able to get into drafts.
42:49
They can do all these things. This is what I mean when I'm
42:52
on the social media of any type and I say, replace them properly.
43:00
That's what I'm saying. The coach, the quarterbacks, any of the players.
43:04
When you hate them and you play an emotional knitw on everything and want
43:07
to kill everything, replace them properly, because otherwise you get the one winning
43:13
season in eleven year Chicago Bears after Lovey Smith. Replace properly. And that's
43:19
what happened, Lovey Smith. What happens when you listen to fans go go
43:23
absolutely anal on the radio, you know, and everything like that and just
43:28
going all that. That's what happened when you did that and did he was
43:30
ten and six and you let him go. You just have to, I
43:35
mean. And now there were backers fans this year that wanted to get rid
43:38
of lafleur or even though he's thirteen and four, for a couple of years
43:40
when they were two and six. You know what I'm saying. They wanted
43:44
to do that because they're emotional, knitwits. That's why you don't listen to
43:47
them. What Gooden Cooks has done with all this young team, with all
43:52
of this right here is built something around he's done. This isn't the proper
43:57
way to do it, and it's like, I wish more fans would listen,
44:01
but I guess you wouldn't make as much money for people with patients.
44:07
And I think one of the things that we're losing track of two is I
44:12
believe the Packers had thirteen draft picks last year. Eleven of them are currently
44:19
on the Packers roster fifty three man roster right now, So that means you're
44:23
hitting on some a lot of your draft picks to have them still with you
44:29
and stuff like that. So with that being said, let's go around the
44:34
horn. What game of the NFL ticket this week are you most looking forward
44:40
to. Let's start with you me, Dallas against Philly. You know,
44:50
I think Philly is going to be angry after the beatown that they had at
44:53
home, and I think that they're going to fotally quiet the Dallas fans.
44:58
We don't have to hear them anymore this year, Jacob, This is part
45:04
of my final points. So don't put to me this is part of mine.
45:07
Okay, this is what it was gonna be. So we'll go go
45:08
here, Pittsburgh and New England. Bad game on paper, bad game on
45:13
the deal. But this is this is the super Bowl of Mitchell Trubisky.
45:16
This really is. And the reason I say that I'm using this as part
45:20
of the deal is because I'll look as outlaty players that played in the league,
45:25
like a Flacco or any of those former Super Bowlers, former Playoffs,
45:30
former everything that are now just wanting to get in there now that back in
45:32
the third streakers again, these were these had legitimate credentials and they're gone now.
45:38
If he does if New England is a miserable offensive team, miserable team
45:43
in general, if he can't get anywhere there with that game, even winning
45:47
seventeen to six or something, if he can't do his job, it is
45:52
over as far as next year. He'll still play out the month, but
45:57
wherever he goes, whatever he gets as a starter, he will be in
46:00
the same boat as the Tim Boyles of the world. So that's the game
46:04
I want to look forward to see him because is he still gonna have a
46:07
chance to starting anywhere or even high end backup or is this it so whatever?
46:14
So I'm gonna be watching that one, George, well Andy, there's
46:20
a lot of good ones to choose som of course. I mean, you
46:22
got the Rams going to Baltimore and that Juggernaut in Baltimore. Can the Rams
46:28
stop them? That one looks really exciting. Seattle at San Francisco is coming
46:32
up. You got a doubleheader on Monday night football Tennessee at Miami and Green
46:37
Bay at the Giants. So those aren't that good of attractions to me.
46:42
I'm gonna have to still go with Detroit in Chicago justin field and the Bears
46:45
gave Detroit fits, as you guys know, in ford Field. And the
46:51
question is gonna be the weather. I've been looking at the weather and studying
46:54
it a little bit, and it looks like it's gonna be a very wet
46:58
and damp day. The Midwest is supposed to get rain and some of the
47:01
changing to snow over the weekend. So I this is going to be a
47:07
test for Detroit because, as you know, they love playing in the dome
47:10
stadiums in the controlled climate, but they are not the best when it comes
47:15
to playing outdoor under the old conditions that George used to see at Tiger Stadium
47:20
when he had season tickets. Yes I did, Yes I did. I
47:23
was only seventeen or eighteen nineteen, what age I was, and I had
47:27
season tickets at Tiger Stadium. So the way football used to be played,
47:30
as you guys know, especially from the Midwest and Candy, you know that
47:35
with the Packers and Jacob with the Bears. All I'm saying is that it
47:39
was a nice bounce back for Detroit last week, but they almost blew it
47:43
against New Orleans and now they got to face Chicago again. So to me,
47:47
and it's not just because I live here, that it's going to be
47:50
an interesting game. That's an early game, of course, one o'clock.
47:52
But there are a lot of other good ones. But I'm going to keep
47:55
my eyes on that one. I still favor the favor the Lions, but
48:00
I don't think it's going to be a blowout by any stretch or anything like
48:02
that. I think it's gonna be a close game. I think Bill's Chiefs
48:07
is going to be an interesting game. You know, the Chiefs got,
48:10
you know, beat by Green Bay, and I think they're out for and
48:15
they're at home, but I think that might be a really good game.
48:19
And yeah, you never know. My Packers against the Giants. They're not
48:24
at home, but they're going against Tommy DeVito, so we'll see. That'll
48:29
be interesting. Hey he's got a two game winning streak. Yeah, exactly.
48:36
So if you want to go around and do a parting shot, anybody,
48:40
Jacob jb You know the NBA in season tournament. I got a chance
48:52
to watch the Pacers against the Celtics on Monday night. It's December, what
49:00
fourth Monday night. The crowd was going crazy like it was the NBA Finals.
49:07
The players were so into it, you know, chess bumping, playing
49:14
playing hard, which you don't see a lot of the NBA. They were
49:16
playing like it was a playoff game on December fourth. You know, they
49:22
were into it. There was so much excitement. Everything mattered. It was
49:25
great to see this. This is definitely a success. I don't know if
49:30
I love it in December because you're still you're dealing with the start of college
49:34
basketball, college football going on, and you know, there's just so much
49:42
happening with everything going on in sports. But I get why they do it
49:46
because nobody pays attention usually to the beginning of the year of NBA. But
49:52
I think this is a huge success. I can't wait to see how they
49:54
make it better going forward. George, Well, my parting shot is going
50:02
to be a very pleasant one, and that's to congratulate Jim Leland on entering
50:07
the Baseball Hall of Fame. You know when I saw that list. In
50:12
fact, we talked about this on one hundred and eight Stitches with Scott and
50:15
some of the guests we had on that night, and all four of those
50:20
guys deserve it. I'm sorry, Cito Gaston, what a remarkable career,
50:23
what a remarkable record with the Toronto Blue Jays. You got Lou Panella,
50:28
who was around forever as a player, a good player, and as a
50:31
manager and a coach. And then of course Davy Johnson. And I always
50:37
admired Davy Natli as a ballplayer when he played the Baltimore Orioles played the Detroit
50:42
Daigers. I mean, Davey Johnson was just phenomenal. Not as good as
50:45
Brooks Robinson at third, but Davey played a great second base and of course
50:50
became a good, solid manager. So I didn't really know. I really
50:53
didn't. I was not all that confident that Leland would get the call.
50:58
And the fact that he's the only they got enough votes, I don't like
51:02
that at all. I'll be honest with you. There's a lot of deserving
51:05
people on that ballot. Say what you want about Joe West. I know
51:08
he was a showman at times as an umpire Bill White of the Yankees.
51:13
Come on, that guy had a great career in the broadcast booth and in
51:17
the management for the Yankees and in Major League Baseball. But Jim Leland,
51:22
the Marlboro Man, lucky strike man, whatever you want to call him.
51:25
What a great job you did here, buddy, and Detroit you got to
51:30
realize you're blussed because you had George Sparky Anderson, and yes he made the
51:35
Hall of Fame, and now you got Jim Leland making the Hall of Fame.
51:38
So it's a terrific situation. Everybody in Detroit is happy. And of
51:42
course he touched so many other areas to Pittsburgh Pirates, Florida Marlins, and
51:47
not too long with the Caloralla Rockies. But Leland, congratulations, Jimmy,
51:52
and enjoy the festivities when you get to Cooper Stunt, because I know you
51:55
will. My parting shot is happy birthday to all those that have birthdays in
52:01
the beginning of December. On December second, it was Aaron Rodgers' birthday.
52:07
December third was mine and my niece's Bria. Yesterday happened to be my father
52:15
in law's birthday. Tomorrow will be would have been my mother in law's birthday.
52:22
And today, Happy birthday to NBA star great Giannis and de Campo.
52:28
It is the Greek Freak's birthday today, so happy birthday to him. So
52:32
with that, let's go around the horn and tell everybody how they can get
52:37
a hold of you. We're going to start with you, George. All
52:39
right, I've got a book there, and I'm congratulating Scott on his book.
52:45
Obviously, I was honored to be asked to write the forward for your
52:47
book, Scott, So I know that you're pretty hard up picking me,
52:52
but hey, I appreciate you doing so. And I have a book too.
52:57
It's been out for a while, but Detroit Sports Broadcast on the Air
53:00
talks about the history of sports in Detroit and Michigan. You can there's a
53:04
link to that book at the end. Of my column. I write for
53:07
Scott and Candy at the South Foorida Tribune under the Motor City Tribune. Drill
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again tonight, JB. How can people get a hold of you? JP?
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I'll just for the program on X Sideline Sports every Tuesday eight thirty pm
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Wednesday of the morning it replays on WDJY and I did I have quite one
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soon to be on EDGBN TV right now. We're on the website every Tuesday
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night DBTV. You know here of course Confidential which is it's off season,
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so lots of different places. Awesome, Jacob, How can people find you?
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Five shows a week but across Tribune South and the Cross Suftboard, a
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Tribute and Sideline Sports sometimes six if I'm off the bench. Jake de Pundit
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on Twitter Jacobundit, one on the TikTok, a bunch of other places on
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Scott has a book. He just came out recently. It is on
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buy it. It's a great Christmas gift for people, especially if they want
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to get into the media or anything like that. It talks about how media
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has changed over the years, and he has lots and lots of stories.
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Believe it or not, Scott has stories, yes, stories to tell.
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It's there. Go get the book, read it. If you like our
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us before. It has been a little bit of a time frame. There
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is a time but get you're gonna get in one pretty soon. Actually I
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got another one. Awesome, awesome. But we have lots of lots of
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Anything, any other parting shot, any closing thoughts, guys, Happy birthday
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birthday to you and many more. And Candy, we regret tomorrow night because
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the top squares gonna get a little bit uglier. I didn't say I didn't
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say it. Thanks everyone, it's been a great show. See you next time.