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- Amy: Rock, KATYA: Welcome to Rock the Life, a podcast for fans, by fans. I'm Katya. Amy: I'm Amy. KATYA: Well, Amy, today we're gonna pull back the curtain on someone that we totally admire, who has an independent, I'd say media empire, I'm gonna call him. He is just so fun to watch and listen to. From Montreal, Canada, we have Jeremy White of the Jeremy White Show. Amy: Mm-hmm. my gosh. Mm-hmm. Jeremy White. Okay, okay. We have been working behind the scenes to get this episode to happen for the longest time. Okay. Jeremy Jeremy and I, we were Okay, Jeremy and I have been chatting for a long time. Turns out all three of us were in Vegas for the February 21st Def Leopard show, and we still didn't get it together. Like it's KATYA: We have a mutual love of death leopard. Amy: Right? But it was so crazy. So I'm so excited for you guys to watch this episode. we, like I said, we've been working on it for a long time and it finally happened. Yay! my gosh. Okay, okay, okay. Are you are you are you guys ready? Yeah, yeah, yeah. With that, here's Jeremy. KATYA: With that. Here's Jeremy. Hi Jeremy, welcome to Rock the Life. How are you doing? Amy: Yeah, Jeremy. Jeremy White: Alive in front of your naked steaming eyes are about to rock the life with the ladies, how's it going? Amy: my gosh. KATYA: I am doing great. We are so excited to be talking to you. Amy and I love, love your podcast. or you that's a you to you're a YouTuber. Amy: Yeah. Jeremy White: I love that. I mean, I mean we've been trying to get this going for how long? Like we like over a year we've been talking or something, like on Instagram like, You gotta come on, come on. It's like I just schedules all over the place. Okay, y you're super hard to get a get a hold of. You're always traveling. We'll travel over here. So I mean, you know, Amy and I were always ready to go. She's like, let me check where she's at right now and but now here here we are. So we're we're good to go. Amy: Yes. KATYA: Yeah. Amy: Right. KATYA: It then what I said, you caught me in southern Virginia. Amy: The the funny part is is we did have a moment where we were actually in the exact same place at the exact same time and still didn't connect. Still didn't connect. And that was in Vegas. It was Vegas for the Deaf Leopard residency. yeah, on the twenty first of February. Yeah. Jeremy White: Right. Well KATYA: Where was that? That's right. Jeremy White: Right. yeah, we were in the yeah, we were all there and somehow we didn't run into each other or something, right? Amy: Nope no isn't that crazy? KATYA: That was that was an amazing weekend of Deaf Leopard in going out in Vegas. That was absolutely incredible. I'm so happy we were able to do that. Okay, so for so, Jeremy, I know a little bit of your background, and you have a great uncle who introduced you to like all the great music of Van Halen and Kiss. You've had a successful radio career in Canada. Amy: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Jeremy White: Yeah. Yeah, that was a great time. Amy: Mm-hmm. KATYA: And now you are a YouTuber podcaster. So kind of tell tell us who Jeremy White is. Jeremy White: The YouTube podcasters thing is more of like a hobby thing. I mean, like I was on the radio in Montreal for like over ten years and I just kind of got tired of it. And but at the same time, COVID was happening and I wanted to start a podcast, but I wanted to do things with the podcast that I wasn't able to do during my broadcast like on the radio. Cause I worked at like the the pop radio station, like the Z one hundred type of thing, you know, with the morning zoo, like that type of stage. Lady Gaga, Ed Sheeran, do you know that type of music. But I grew up loving Van Halen and Kiss and Def Leppard and KATYA: Right. Jeremy White: You know, I've interviewed all those people like Dualipa and Ed Sheeran and Sean Mendez, but I never had an outlet for me to actually talk to people that I grew up loving. And I'm also a musician, right? So to be able to talk to Paul Stanley or Michael Anthony or or Phil Collins from Def Leopard, I didn't have anywhere to do it. So I met a f I met this guy randomly backstage at a music festival over here. His name is Mitch LaFon. And he and I were just like talking and just like kind of shooting the shit. And he was like, Well, why don't Amy: Mm. Jeremy White: I I don't understand. Like, why aren't you doing something like on on YouTube or and the problem was at the time, all in all of our radio contracts, we all had non competes and exclusivity agreements. So we couldn't actually go and we had the company basically had first right of refusal on anything that I wanted to do outside of the station to give you an idea of how these contracts work. So I basically made a proposal and I talked to my agent about it. And I'm like, Well, what do you think of this? And he's like, I think that I KATYA: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Jeremy White: I don't see a problem with it. I I bet they're not gonna go for it. So we were hoping that they would say, just go do your thing. We don't want, you know, we don't want to we don't want to be associated with you know, Kiss and Def Leopard when we're playing Lady Gaga and you know, Whitney Houston and all this and sort of I made a proposal and they're like, just go and do it. And this was just before COVID kicked off. So I was already building like this, is in my house. So I built the home studio with the intention of create. Amy: yeah. Jeremy White: Filming all the content and like making like, you know, a commercial looking radio studio. And it just so happened that COVID started. All of the tours were getting co postponed or canceled. And a lot of these artists were a lot more accessible because they weren't on the road. They weren't touring. So there was kind of cool little projects happening. You know, my first guest when I first started the podcast was Steve Stevens. I met him backstage at a show like the summer before, and we kept in touch. Amy: Yeah. Jeremy White: And I reached out to him, like, hey, I'm starting this podcast. Would you be interested in being my first guest? And he's like, absolutely. Let's do it. Cause he knows I play guitar and all this stuff. So it worked out. And then from there, Mitch introduced me to a couple of his friends in the industry that, you know, were contacts publicists. And but I also had a background and I already think people like I was already known by a lot of these people. So for me to go to, you know, Universal Music and say, Hey, you know, can you get me an interview with you know, Paul Stanley? Amy: I love that. Mm-hmm. Jeremy White: And they're like, okay, yeah, what's that for? Like, you don't play KISS on on the beat. And I'm like, well, no, no, no. Like it would be for my own thing. I just started this podcast. So I'd already had a reputation. I was already known. And then they would put me in touch with, you know, the publicist for KISS. And then I actually didn't even realize, but I knew that publicist because we'd met backstage at a concert. And they were like, Yeah, let's do it. So I got Paul, I got Gene Simmons because they were promoting that KISS twenty twenty goodbye show. And then I got Paul Stanley because he was doing his you know, the the Soul Station album. And Amy: Yeah. Jeremy White: So it it always, it's kind of like it it just kind of all fell into place in a really cool way. And you know, I I've I've pretty much interviewed everybody that I've ever wanted to interview at this point. So it's like I'm not I'm not as like excited and like driven or like, you know, like care about doing the show really that much anymore. Cause it's like, well, I I don't like to interview people that I don't care about. So it's like, unless I genuinely like KATYA: that's awesome. Amy: Yeah. KATYA: Fair, fair. Jeremy White: Like the artist or, you know, 'cause I'm not gonna lie and be like, Hey, your new album's great, but really, it's like, you know, kind of shit. You know, like I'm not gonna go on and just kind of, you know, I'm a pretty authentic guy. So it'd be it'd be kind of weird if I was like, Yeah, just, you know, blowing somebody just for the sake of getting them on the show. So but yeah, so that's kind of how the show happened. And, you know, it kind of took on a life of its own. I but I also would put up content on my channel about guitars and I'm a huge Van Halen fan. So Amy: Ha ha. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Jeremy White: There would be content about Eddie Van Halen's guitars and like me like building my guitar rigs and stuff like that, showing off, you know, like the Rockman guitar ramps, like playing Def Leopard licks and stuff. So my my audience kind of just developed you very organically because it was all people that liked the shit that I was making. And I also was very genuine about it as well, because I'm like, well, this is what I like. So it's it's it's funny how it works, you know. Yeah. I guess KATYA: It and it reflects. It's reflective. Amy, did you have a question? Amy: Really really quickly, what year did you win the Promises Def Leopard song thing? Jeremy White: That was the first one they did. So that was, I guess, 2020 or 2021. It had to have been back then. Amy: Yeah, yeah, I wondered if it was around KATYA: Okay. Amy: Yeah. That's Jeremy White: Yeah. Cause I I let me if I go look at the video like the video. Yeah, that that honestly, I did that as a goof. Cause I was like, well, there's no way that I'm gonna win because well, I'm like a media guy and like I've interviewed the band. And then sure enough, like the it was it was four years ago. Yeah, wait. It was four yeah, four years four years ago. J January ninth, twenty twenty two. Amy: Right. Yeah. That that may have been my first night. That may have been my first introduction to you, I think. Yeah. I think so. Jeremy White: It probably was, yeah. Yeah, because they posted that clip like everywhere, like under socials and stuff. And yeah, I wasn't expecting to win it, I'll be honest with you. And I I I didn't put very much effort into it as well. Because they if you hear like any of my other mixes and stuff, like, you know, it's like I'm a pretty I'm a pretty polished like mixer and like engineer and stuff. So that was that was a little bit more raw and like organic than like I would have wanted it to be, but I guess I had to look kind of live in a way. So yeah. Amy: You're like Yeah. I thought KATYA: No, that so wa tell me about tell me about your music. Where are you playing it? Do you promote it at all on your show? Amy: it was great. Jeremy White: No, so right now I'm working on my on my own record. It's gonna be my first record, and in the process of writing and all these stuff. So I've never released original music before. So I've been talking about this for the last couple of years, and I finally met somebody that I actually really enjoy working with. So he's producing the stuff, co-writing. We have a lot of cool little friends of his that are putting in some, he's put pulling some favors and stuff from some really cool people. So we're I was spending time between here and Just outside of Montreal. And then I was also going off to Stockholm in Sweden, because that's where he lives. So working with him in Sweden. and we'll also we work remotely, but the I'm hoping the record's gonna be done by the end of the year. But it's just I'm just so nitpicky about every single thing. Like, you know, I I'm trying to make like the record I'm making is a record that I would want to listen to. Amy: Yeah. Jeremy White: And that's incredibly difficult because I love so many things. So you listen to some of the songs, and it's like it's Shania Twain meets Brian Adams, meets Def Leopard, meets ACDC, meets Van Halen. Like it's really a culmination of everything that I grew up loving. So, you know, you're gonna hear cool guitar licks, but then you're also gonna hear like fiddle parts and stuff. And we're putting pedal steel on things. It's it's very modern country sort of sound, but with like an Amy: Mm-hmm. KATYA: Perfect. Amy: Yeah. Nice. KATYA: Have you have you reached out to Motlane? Amy: My question that was the same th Jeremy White: I'm. Actually the funny thing is that we did. KATYA: Like to what I'm hearing. Jeremy White: Yeah, we actually did. Because my my producer, he's really, really good friends with Mutt. And we're we're hoping to get him involved on a couple of things, sing some backing vocals and stuff. So crossing our we already have one song with Mutt's backing vocals on it, which is fantastic and it sounds amazing. So hopefully I'm hoping maybe we'll be able to get that out this year. Like I'd love to get something out before the end of the summer or like, you know, maybe in the fall. But yeah, the r I we're we're really painstakingly, like every lyric, like I'm writing, I'm you know, so it's Amy: You do. Jeremy White: Yeah. And then, you know, the cool thing about like writing music in this day and age is that you have so many like tools at your disposal. So it's like, you know, I woke up in the middle of the night the other night and like I had I woke up and I heard this melody and like I just jotted down some lyrics and I sang the melody into my phone and you know I went into Suno and I was like, make me this type of demo with like, you know, and I I've laid out all of the like every single thing possible. And it did it exactly the way I would want it done. And so I said it to my my collaborator, I'm like, dude, what do you think of this? And he's like, banger. Amy: Mm-hmm. Jeremy White: Absolute banger. And I'm like, it's it's it's amazing how you can, you know, so but every everything that I'm writing is also very how would I say, like, because I like very like I'm not a singer songwriter folk kind of guy. Like I like everything I write, it's it's incredibly commercial and vapid and just so like it's about as it's about as ankle deep. You know, it's it's it's not it's not your it's it's not gonna change the world. KATYA: I love it. That's cute. Amy: Right. KATYA: We some some sometimes we need music that we can just rock and dance to and not always get the real poetic deepness of it too. So it's a Amy: Exactly. Give me some sass Jeremy White: That's it. It doesn't to be No, exactly. And it's like, you know, there I people really just overthink this stuff so much. It's like, what like it it should just be fun. Like, you know, we're not writing political songs. We're not writing, you know, shit that's gonna save the world, you know? It's like they this is just fun music that you're gonna be able to drive and with your windows down and sing along to. And, you know, every time I'm writing a song, I always do what Mutt says and he says, you know, just picture a sea of people in the in a stadium. Amy: and let me dance and I'm fine. Yeah. KATYA: I yes. Amy: Yeah. Yeah. Jeremy White: you know, jam into your song and can they sing it back to you? And that's kind of the approach to everything that we're writing. So and it it's hard to do that, you know, it's not easy it's not easy. Amy: Yeah. Yeah. KATYA: Otherwise every would have been doing it, yeah. Amy: You know what's really funny, Jeremy? We we just had the opportunity to be a guest on someone else's podcast and then they came on ours and Katya asked the most amazing question and she was like, If you could be in the studio during the recording of one album and my answer, one of my answers was I wanna sit in the studio with Mutt Lang and watch that process. And so actually my my answer was I wanted to be in the studio for for hysteria, but it was because Muttling. And so it's so funny that you said that 'cause we're just come that's we're coming off that interview. So it was yeah. I love it. Jeremy White: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it gets funny, you know, like Tommy and I we'd talk and we'd be sitting there and we'd write something and like we would like we'd we'd put something down and and then we'd kind of like look at each other and be like, yeah, this is really good. But like like how can we like what would Mutt do? Like what would Mutt do like in this scenario? And like Tommy's spent a lot of time working with Mutt and like he's like, Well he would do this and then we would do that and then we'd look at each other like Fuck, that's exactly what we should have done. You know, like, no, that's exactly what he would have done. And it sounds so much better. You know, taking out two extra lyrics instead of keeping it there, leaving space for things to breathe. And there's so many little things that and especially people's attention spans are so much shorter these days that it's like you e every it you just kind of want to capture somebody and and you know, you want to hold them for as long as you can. So Amy: my gosh. Mm. Yep. Yep. Jeremy White: Yeah, it's it's little little tricks and stuff like that that we're we're putting in and it's it's it's it's been fun, but it's a lot of it's also a hard work, man. I lost my voice in the middle of COVID and that was one of the reasons why I left my radio job, my full-time radio job, is because I I caught COVID and that attacked my vocal cords, like the muscles in my neck or something. I don't know what about and my cardiovascular system. So like if I that's why I keep my interviews to about like 30 minutes, because at that point I start to like go hoarse and like My voice just starts to go away. So I was doing live radio shows every night. And I would have to start pre-recording them entirely because I wouldn't know if my voice would just be giving out after 20 minutes of sitting in the studio. So that was also one of the reasons why I built my home studio so I could do stuff remote. And so, like, you know, I'd be talking and it would just be like, Hey, what's up? It's Jeremy. Why are you at the P and coming up 20 minutes? We like I it would literally go. And at one point I thought I had maybe like Lyme's disease or something. I was like, I never got bit by a tick. And this has happened to so many of my favorite singers. I mean, you look at Shania Twain and, you know, heard of voice loss. And, you know, you look at the jump on Jovi and all these guys. Selena Gomez caught the thing and she she's singing again, which is good. But like if if you're not getting the wind, if you're not getting the air from your cardiovascular system through your vocal cords and those folds aren't vibrating at the the the rate that they're supposed to, you're not gonna get that tone out. Amy: Yeah. Jeremy White: And especially the way I sing, it's very, very tough on the vocal cords because I sing very Brian Adamsy, very Def Leopard, that Mutt Lang sort of like hey kind of thing. So it's it's tough, man. It's it's it's it's hard work. It's hard work. Amy: Yeah. Mm-hmm. I can't wait to see what you cut I can't wait. What what what comes out? I can't wait. I can't wait to see what KATYA: I'd I can't wait, yeah. Jeremy White: Yeah, it's gonna be good. KATYA: And I'm also I can't wait for the Mutt Lang interview that you're gonna do because he's the most elusive man. So I'm I'm counting on you, Jeremy. want you to get that one out there. Jeremy White: That'll never happen. I'm just waiting to get my picture with him and I'm gonna frame it and nobody's ever gonna see it unless you come to my house. Actually, I'll tell you a funny story. I'll tell you a funny story in relation to Mutt. because my producer Tommy, he worked with Mutt on a bunch, a bunch of different things under good friends. So Mutt was out in Sweden, they were recording something for a project that actually never ended up coming out. And Mutt went to a music store because he needed headphones because he was gonna be recording the Mutt backing vocals like the week. Amy: Right. KATYA: I know. Jeremy White: So he went to a random music store in Stockholm. They had no idea who he was. Like he was standing in there with Mutt Lang and they're just like, I'm gonna take these ones. And at the end of the week, Mutt was like, Here, do you these? I'm not bringing them back home. It's whatever. So so Tommy got to hold he kept Mutt's headphones for like, I don't know, like 15 years or something like that. So fast forward to me, I'm in his studio and I bought a brand new pair of headphones for his studio because I didn't have any. So I was like, I'm just gonna give you here's a here's a gift for your studio. You can hold on to these, whoever comes here and can use these headphones to track whatever. He's like, well, that's so great. He's like, well, hold on a second. We'll do a little trade. So he went into his closet and he pulled out the Mutt Lang headphones and he was like, these were muts. I'm going to give them to you now. And I was like, that is amazing. KATYA: So okay, so I Jeremy White: Yeah. Well I has well I have Amy: That's excellent. Jeremy White: one language headphones in my house. KATYA: when were you last in Sweden? Amy: I've seen these pictures. Mm-hmm. Jeremy White: Must have been in March I was there. KATYA: I'm trying to think when was I last no, I was last there in May. I was there in May for the Eric Gron Grandwell shows. Yeah. So I have to ask you, I'm totally being off topic right now. Who's your favorite Swedish band? Jeremy White: Yeah, it must have been Mark. Amy: You're May. Jeremy White: ABBA, come on. KATYA: Okay. How about Amy: do you know on our way home from Portland yesterday we were singing Mamma Mia? Jeremy White: If you say any if you say any other If you say anybody else other than ABBA, you're absolutely incorrect because it's ABBA. I was actually, I'll I'll give you another cool little story about ABBA. I was actually we were recording at at the ABBA studio. So we were in the studio at it's called R RMV Studios. It's owned by Benny. So, anyway, so we're there and we actually got to hang out with the the ABBA's engineer right now. He's like mixing ABBA gold and like Dolby Atmos. So we got to hang out with him. We're sitting in their in their ABB in their Dolby Atmos studio. Amy: Ha ha KATYA: Okay. How about okay. Jeremy White: We were listening to Gimme Gimme a Man, like on like the 16 speaker setup. And it was like it sounded unbelievable. Like it just sounded so good. And then when we got to go downstairs, we're talking to the office people. Who's standing there? Benny Anderson from ABBA. So we're standing. So we're chatting with Benny. And like, I and it's funny you're talking like I've met so many people, and you just they're, you know, they're just whoever to you at this point. But I'm like, holy fuck, this is a member of ABBA. I'm I'm talking to ABBA right now, like the modern-day Mozart. KATYA: No way. Amy: Wow. That's insane. We were literally singing that song last night. my gosh. Jeremy White: Yeah. Yeah, I love that song. KATYA: Okay, so what is outside of the ABBA museum they have little cutout pictures of their faces and you can put your face in so maybe that's what I'll do next time to get my picture with Benny. Jeremy White: Yeah. for sure. Yeah, I definitely I actually didn't get it because I my producer Tommy got a picture with Benny, but and he just kinda like walked away and I didn't want to chase after him to get a photo. So I like, next time we go, hopefully he'll be there again. But yeah. It was pretty cool. KATYA: That is that is so cool. Okay, so then I have to ask you, like these are all super legends. Has there been anyone that made you kind of like nervous before you're you interviewing them? Amy: Awesome. Jeremy White: I would probably say Brian Adams because he's notoriously a terrible interview. And at first I was kind of like cause he was just he was one word answering me and it wasn't going well. And then I flipped but then I flipped the script before we before we started in doing the interview, we talked a little bit because my my video guy from the radio station was like just setting up the camera. So I was like, listen, I just want to let you know. Last time I met you was on the Waking Up the Neighbors anniversary tour and all this and that. He's like, cool. That's awesome. man, yeah, great to see you again. So then the interview starts, and he just kind of like one word answered me. And I was just kind of like, yeah. And so then I I I flipped them switch. I'm like, fuck, I just gotta Jeremy him right now. So I said to him, I was like, listen, one of my favorite records is Waking Up the Neighbors, and I have some questions that I've always wanted to ask you about this album and stuff that you've never talked about. And he was like, okay. And then that's when we started talking about working with Mutt. And you know, he told me that really cool story about doing the backing vocals for Thought I Died and Gone to Heaven. And he even said to me, like in the thing, he's like, Well, that's the last time I saw you, right? On the on the neighbors anniversary tour, right? I was Yeah. So he he the funny thing is once you find an in with an artist like that that isn't necessarily very open, if you find a way to connect with them. Amy: Nice. Excellent. Mm-hmm. Jeremy White: Everything else is just whatever because all of a sudden you got your in and like they will gel with you and then the the vibe gets going and you can have more of a conversation. But when you've do when you start an interview and the guy's like, you I wanted to make this song and so I did. And you're just like, okay. Like where do you go from there? You know? Talk to me. So what what made you wanna recruit well? How come you wanted to work with Ed Sheeran on a song? I just thought he was a good singer, so I said let's do a song. KATYA: Okay, great. Amy: Yeah. Jeremy White: All right, cool. So yeah, the tour. like I I've gotten interviews like that before and it's just kinda you're you're so like a deer in headlights, like you have to know how to jump into the next thing or keep it going. So yeah, it's it's not easy interviewing people, man. Like people just think it's like, I'm gonna start a podcast and it's conversations, but you know, un if unless you don't know unless you know how to talk or like, you know, it's almost like a first date a lot of the time. You know, you're you're kinda nervous, you're kinda scared. Amy: Yeah. Yeah. KATYA: Very true. Very true. Jeremy White: you don't necessarily where to go. It's like, how about that weather? You know, like what do you what do you say? So yeah, so Bri Brian Adams for sure. And then my other the other one I inter I got to interview Shania Twain and I was really excited about it. And they told us we're not allowed to bring any like it wasn't on video. It was audio only. We weren't allowed pictures, no autographs, no nothing. And it was like a roundtable discussion. Me, somebody from the Montreal Gazette, I think it was CBC and like the BBC or something like that. It was at the Queen Elizabeth Hotel, the Big Fairmont in downtown Montreal, where John Lennon had his iconic like bed-in protests and all this stuff. Like it's an iconic place. So we're in one of the studio one of the suites there. And these guys are asking the most stupid questions, like shit that Shania has talked about like a thousand times. And I'm sitting there, I'm just like, my God, can it please like be my turn yet? Amy: Yeah, yeah. Jeremy White: Like they were talking there about like, you like, so talk about raising your son in the French language and stuff. I'm like, for fuck's sakes, like really, like who cares? But this is like the small mentality of like Quebec, 'cause it's like a French province and they're like, French, French, French. KATYA: that's okay. I see okay, that it is relevant. I can see how it's relevant to people there. Yes. Jeremy White: But not a reality. I mean we're trying to talk about the record and the tour and all this stuff, and it's like I get it's a lifestyle piece in question, but save it for your fucking bullshit article. I wanna know about the fiddles on Come On Over, you know. I wanna know about guitar the guitars on the album, you know. Amy: Yeah. KATYA: Harry Styles, come on. Amy: Ha ha ha. Jeremy White: Like, come on, like fuck off with your bullshit French question. So anyway, so it finally gets to me and I sit in her. I was like, Shania, I I I I have a question I've always wanted to ask you because I'm a songwriter and like just a fan of your records. And I went, I went like this. I'm like, don't be stupid. You know I love ya. Those four and five mil melodically and numerically, it's incredibly rhythmic. When you and Mutt are writing those songs, do you keep that melodic math in mind? And she looked at me, she's like, Wow, nobody's ever asked me that. She's like, yes. She was like, Mutt, we we would s and then she told me the whole story about how man I feel like a woman came about. And she told me she never told the story the way she told it to me. And later on, like now, if you go like on her YouTube channel or something like that, she tells the story. And in the Netflix documentary, she told the story how Mott was just sitting there, you know, with this riff. And she's like, you know, I started going through this rhythm. I'm going out tonight. I'm feeling all right. She's had this thing, but Mutt kept coming back to the dun dun and dun dun. And he's like, you know, you're you're on. So she's like, I I had to come up with something. And like out of nowhere, it just came out. Man, I feel like a woman. And then Mutt just looked at her and went, dun, dun, d, dan, and, dun, dun. And they were like, we had the basis of the song. And then it went from there. She told me this whole thing and it was fucking mind blowing. And everybody at the table was like fully like in like immersed in the story too. KATYA: Such an amazing song. Amy: Yeah. Jeremy White: I got back to the radio station. The person in the digital department erased the wrong memory card. And I lost all of the audio of that interview. So I so I have no no audio. I tried to get in touch with the other journalists that were there. And it's it's gone. It's completely gone. That that whole interview is gone. So I it's my goal. I need to interview Shania one more time. And after that, I will retire because there's questions and it's like stuff I would love to ask her. KATYA: What? Well it's Jeremy White: But to have had that story and like had I been able to get like it was such a cool stuff and the way she told it, like it was she like, yeah, we we they even had to kind of cut her off because we were going over our allotted time. And yeah, so and at the end of that, I actually brought, I was the first her her albums come on over and up were just remastered and released on vinyl for the first time. And they came out that week. So I brought them and they told us no autographs. I was like, listen, I know you're gonna hate me, but I brought the vinyl copies of the thing. Amy: Mm-hmm. Jeremy White: just came out. She's like, my and she's like, I didn't even get to see these yet. So she's looking at the vinyl whole thing. She's Do you want me to sign? She's I'll sign them for you. So she's like, Do you want me to make them out to Jeremy? She remembered my name, which was funny. She's like, I'll make it so she made it out to Jeremy, love Shania. I was like, you're gonna hate me more. I I get a picture with you because I'm probably never gonna get this opportunity again. She's like, yeah, let's do a selfie. They don't want me taking pictures. So we ended up taking a selfie together and it was honestly like the most like amazing fucking afternoon ever. And I at least I have the phone. Amy: Mm. KATYA: Love her even more now. Love her even more. That is Amy: Right, right. Okay. Jeremy, I have to ask you, in moments like that, do you just get so high? Are you just like, I fucking kill this job? Like, I mean, that has to we we've had talks with people where we feel like that. We come off and we just go, We're so good at this. KATYA: But you should be telling yourself. Yeah. Jeremy White: Yeah. I I I know what you mean because it's like, you know, I I'm say I'm standing there, I'm like, I like it doesn't it doesn't really hit you until like after the fact because even my my really, really good friend was the record label rep that day. So we we get out of the room and the all the other journalists like were complimenting me, like, wow, you that was really great, man. You know, thanks a lot. And and then Eric comes up to me, he's like, You motherfucker, you He's like, You fucker. He's like, You just he's like, You stole it, you stole it again. And I'm like, Well Someone that's what happens when you have a fan interviewing the artist, you know? So yeah. That's what I said. I I I only like to talk to people that I care about. Amy: Yes. And that's what we do. I love it. Okay, so Jeremy KATYA: Yeah. Yeah, that Got it yeah. Amy: Right. Okay, Jeremy, so our next Rock the Life field trip for school is gonna be to come watch you do your show. We're that's what we're gonna do. We're gonna we're gonna go. We're gonna Jeremy White: Okay. Yeah, for sure. Well, next time I'm playing, but when I play my first show and we work out all the bugs and everything, you'll have to come to that one because you'll see the train wreck. I keep I keep talking about all my buddies that are like musicians because they're Well, when you play, you're gonna hire me, right? To be your drummer, this and that. I said, Listen, we're gonna be we're gonna be miming and playing to tracks the whole show. It's like it's not what you're like, it's how you look doing it. So I'm just gonna hire the the hottest fucking band ever. And we're just gonna be out there just rocking it out to our tracks. KATYA: Absolutely. Amy: I Jeremy White: As long as we look good, I'm like, that's all I care about. KATYA: Okay, you know, so I have this terrible thing. I totally believe that too. Because I'm seeing as some of these bands come out now and these some of the original members aren't there, they're hiring other musicians. I like, hire the hot people that are super entertaining. It totally makes the live show better. Amy: It's phenomenal. Jeremy White: Yes Amy: Have you Jeremy White: Yeah. Amy: seen Sebastian Box band? Jeremy White: Yo, Fed Fetty, like all of them, they're fucking great. They look great and they play great on top of it. You know, I was Yeah, I was talking to him backstage at M3, where it's just shooting the shit about bass and stuff. And I I was like, yo, you're a fucking beautiful man, you know that? And everybody just started laughing around us. I was like, You got the good because you look good, but you play good too. Amy: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I totally get it. Yep. Yeah. It was funny because I had a friend go with me to see Sebastian Bach and and all of my photos are are Fede. All of them. KATYA: Yeah. Jeremy White: Yeah. Yeah, he's the man. Fucking great bass player. KATYA: Is he Spanish by chance? Amy: Yeah, yeah. Jeremy White: Or like South America, it's w it's like one of those things, you know? Amy: Yeah, I think he's Brazilian. KATYA: Not that I've been watching all the Spanish soccer players and Jeremy White: Yeah, he's one of those one of those Yeah, he's one of those guys. KATYA: Okay, so Jeremy, we're half- I'm gonna circle back to this one because a lot of the people who watch our show love Jeff Leppard. I mean big fans of Duff Leppard. I mean everyone should be. How did you did you first meet them and start interviewing them on your radio show? Jeremy White: No. I how did I I don't remember. Well, Phil Collin and I have a mutual friend. He's on the radio in in New York City and they've been friends for like decades. So I when I started my podcast, Ian, he was like, dude, you gotta get Phil on. He's like, talk to him about guitars and all this stuff. And I was like, Yeah, well, I would love that. But every time I've asked, you know, like the publicist, whatever, they said, they're not available or like, your show's not big enough or Whatever. So once again, this is in the middle of COVID. So Ian was like, I'm just gonna send him an email. And I was like, All right, well, let me know. And maybe like a couple of days later, I got a text message from from Phil. And he's like, Hey Jeremy, it's Phil Collins, blah, blah, blah. Let me know when you want me to come on your show. So I'm like, Okay. No, I'm texting with like my favorite living guitar player, like, you know, and I'm just like, Hey, like, how about tomorrow at this time? Is that cool? He's like, Yep, great, see you there. So Amy: Yeah. Right. Jeremy White: I was like, nah, there's no way to say like they're fucking, they're fucking with me. So anyway, so I yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Right? Like, what the fuck? Like Phil Collin, Def Leopards, like texting me, like as if. So then I join in, all of a sudden I I click and like it says Phil Collin has joined your chat. And I'm like, all right. So I put it in. There he is. He was sitting at his kitchen table, like, you know, with his son Jackson and stuff. And I'm just like, this is so cool. Yeah. So KATYA: Right. Yeah, this is the one messing with me. Amy: Right. That's phenomenal. Jeremy White: And that's where we we hit it off. That was our first interview. And that was the one that kind of blew up because we were talking about like he pulled out the original Rockman amp that they used on Hysteria. He had it just like sitting in the drawer in his kitchen. He's like, actually, I have it right here. And like he pulled it out. He's Here it is. And like that was the box that they used to record frickin' hysteria. I'm like, my God. Yeah. And it was funny because we were talking about guitars and all these things. And he actually introduced me to now my guitar tech who lives here in Montreal. Amy: Wow. Jeremy White: And it was funny because he reached out to me after he saw the interview. He's like, that one of the best Phil interviews I've ever seen. I'm the one he was talking about in the interview. I s and they send guitars back and forth to each other. And so, but yeah, it it it was really cool. And from then on, we just developed a a friendship really. Like, you know, so like I texted him to go to Vegas and he's like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, like come on in. So I go down and, you know, I just had him back on the show back in June for like my birthday show, promoting the Man Race reissues and stuff. So yeah. Amy: Mm-hmm. Yep. KATYA: The man that that was another great I mean, that was a great interview. They totally opened up and you were able to get I mean, it is more of a conversation than a stilted interview. No, it's it's been fantastic. Jeremy White: That's kind of how I do it. I mean, like, I'm a huge Howard Stern fan too. So it's like, I'm not like a QA guy. You know, I'm not gonna go in and be like, so tell me about the the album. you know, it's I'm not going like you know, Christine wrote in from Boise. She'd like to know. It's like it's far from an NPR, like kind of like you know, piece like that. So yeah. Like I kind of I just talk to people, you know, that's what it is. Amy: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's how we feel we are. Jeremy White: And that even that in itself is difficult because if you don't know how to talk, like, you know, I see certain podcasts and certain guys, and I'm just like, like they're just so uneducated when they're talking to some of these musicians. Because, you know, one like the musician will say something so cool about like the recording process, something about maybe guitars like an amp or like something or a piece of gear. And then, you know, somebody like Eddie Trunk, like, God bless him, like he's been waving the flag for music for for decades. And it would probably a lot of the genre probably wouldn't have survived had it not been for Eddie Trunk. But fuck man, he interviews so many guys and like he like they'll throw out like little things and he'll just move on completely. And I'm like, no, no, go back to that. Wait. Like, you know, as like the as the musician, you know? So yeah, that's that's it's when you're when you're well researched, when you're a fan of the artist, the genuinely, and you want to talk to these people, you're gonna have a great conversation, you know? So yeah, it's not it's not easy, but it's it's Amy: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jeremy White: It's fun. Amy: But it's fun. Don't you love it? We love it. KATYA: No it's fun. Jeremy White: It absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I I I have a good time. And so there's a couple of there's a couple of interviews left on my bucket list. And then after that, I'm like, nah, I think I'm gonna call it quits, but we'll see. We'll see if I want to keep it going. Trying to get back to doing weekly shows, just talking about music and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, and that's funny because you know, like a show like mine, like you know, at one point it was it it was dependent on whether you had a guest or not. Amy: Yeah. KATYA: No, you're not. Amy: Yeah I know. KATYA: Okay, okay. That's Jeremy White: And I was like, well, if I don't got a guest this week, or if I don't get a guest, like, you it's like, well, there shouldn't be a reason why my neglected. It should be a show. So yes. So right now I'm working on some new branding and stuff. And we're gonna do like a little bit of a relaunch. And I'm also talking to a radio company here in Canada about possibly doing a syndicated show on the radio of the Jeremy White show, like a one hour weekly. I think we're talking to like seven radio stations right now. So it'd be kind of good. Be good if we could get it happening, you know. KATYA: You don't need a guest. Yeah. You can just do a show, absolutely. Fantastic. It's awesome. Amy: Yeah. KATYA: Well so that's interesting. So if you did it on radio, would it have a visual element to it or purely just radio? Jeremy White: Well the audio well, the radio would be the audio part of it, but I mean all of the you know visuals and everything would be an online, you know, you for the online platform. I mean, like, you have the podcast, that's video now, you go on YouTube, Instagram reels and feel Facebook reels. I mean, you there's so many different ways that you can market and repurpose your content to to generate new audience, you know. I mean, like you you you feed your P ones, but it's ever you want to bring as many people under the tent as possible. So if you can be on the radio, have the podcast, the YouTube channel, putting up reels, making extra content. KATYA: Surely audio. Amy: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. KATYA: Do it online too, yeah. Do the video at the same time. Jeremy White: It's you know, it's it's all it's all about promoting the product, right? So at the end of the day, it's a brand and it's a product. I mean, like, you know, it's it's yeah. So I I'd be be doing myself a disservice if I wasn't, you know, kinda doing it. So yeah. KATYA: That is gonna be incre Yeah, we are just no I'm gonna have to look at I'm embarrassed with my like hotel background. I love your background, Jeremy. Now did you create that my old fashioned phone? Amy: We're over here taking notes. Jeremy White: But I like I like the hotel background though because it's like you know, it looks more real and looks you know. Like hi, we're live on location this week. I'm in fucking what the fuck nowhere talking to Jeremy. Amy: Yeah, right. That's what we have KATYA: Blackstone Virginia. Amy: to say on location. KATYA: Ha ha. Jeremy White: Yeah. It's the rock the life fork. KATYA: Trying to find something ex So so Jeremy, I also have to ask, this like I love summer concert festivals. Are there any concerts you're gonna be going to soon? Jeremy White: Yeah. Amy: I love that. Jeremy White: tomorrow I might, no, Thursday. Thursday, I might be going to see Cody Johnson. He's a he's a country artist. He's playing at the Ottawa Blues Fest. got some friends of mine that bought tickets, and they're like, we got an extra if you want to come. And I'm like, I hate honestly, can I be honest with you? Like, I might just be like spoiled at this point, but there's just something so primitive about standing in a dusty, muddy field trying to consume music. I mean, there's gotta be a better way. You know, I mean, to and I'll give you an example. Okay, so here in Montreal. Amy: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jeremy White: I'm 32 years old. Guns and Roses played here last year. Okay. My mom's like 46, 47. I don't know. I even know how old she is. She's almost almost 50. I think she might be 50 now. Anyways. So give an idea. It's okay. Like Guns and Roses. You're spending all of this money, okay? To get to this show, you had to park somewhere and then take the metro. Take the take the take the metro to Park Gendrapeau. KATYA: just Amy: Mm. Jeremy White: Walk about 20 minutes from the metro station on the island to get to the turnstiles and to where the admission is. And then, furthermore, you have to walk even further to get to the thing and then just stand there. And I'm just like, this makes no fucking s I just spent $2,500 on these VIP terrass tickets. And I had to park my freaking BMW at the stupid, like, you know, the the REM stop in order to take the light rail to the subway, to subway in a hot, freaking stinky, smelly. KATYA: No, that is that's too much. Jeremy White: Like this sounds incredibly snobby or whatever, but like you think about like it's it's totally discourages anybody with an actual disposable income at at a certain point to want to go to these things. And especially with the price of you know, it's like my dad and his friends, like, you know, they're probably gonna take a car service or something, but it's like they're not gonna take the freaking metro. Like, you know, it's it's it's so bizarre. It's you know, so I'm like, there's gotta be a better way to do this. And I went, what did I go see? I went see, Amy: Yeah. KATYA: No, I agree with you. Jeremy White: it might it might have been it was Triumph and April Wine. I went see them. They played a smaller arena in Laval, just off Montreal Island. And even to that one, it's so remote this arena that even if you are to drive there, the parking situation is basically like a shopping mall. And you still have to walk from the shopping mall to get into the arena. Like an or you take the subway, like maybe I'm just lazy. Maybe that's just me. But like KATYA: No, I'm it is Amy: It's a lot. Jeremy White: No, it's it's annoying. And then the s and if you're standing there in GA and there's four bands on the bill, I mean, like it's it's it's too much. I just can't do it anymore. Yes. It it just it takes No, exactly. So I can't even imagine how people like in their in their fifties or late forties like feel like, you know, fucking standing there. KATYA: In your thirty. Amy: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, KATYA: Yeah, no. Amy: yeah. KATYA: No, you're I think a lot of the big festival type stuff, I'm kind of like, yeah, unless I have a nice VIP, I don't want to stand there and deal with the hassle of I just got back from a three day music festival that was in Western Massachusetts. And it was like flight, rental, car drive. It was lovely. But again, yeah, it was it was it was a commitment. It was a lot of work and a commitment. Jeremy White: Yeah. Yeah. Amy: Yep. It was a lot. Jeremy White: There's just something primitive about standing in a fucking field watching a bunch of guys on stage. You know? Like I don't know. There's there's I I feel like there's gotta be a better way, you know. I don't know. Amy: Yep. KATYA: Well, okay, this I'm gonna ask you, what is a Amy: We'll have to brainstorm that. KATYA: what is a better way? What do you like? So I like s I like when bigger bands play club shows. I like arenas. Me too. Amy: Yeah, what's the matter? Jeremy White: I like arenas. I like arenas. I like to be in a nice air conditioned arena. The Amy: I do like a remote. Jeremy White: sound is the best. You know, you go to a stadium, it's just a wash of reverb in the freaking corners, depending on where you're sitting. KATYA: I like I like proper bathrooms. Jeremy White: Yeah, clean bathrooms, you know, like it's air conditioned, climate, you know, the show, like at least there's a parking lot or you know, it just it's more it's more comfortable, you know. There's something about standing in a forty five degree, you know, f Celsius field in the middle of a Montreal summer and the dust is being kicked up and you know, it's just like it's ug just don't want to do it anymore. KATYA: That's true. Amy: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. KATYA: Yeah, no, I'm with you. Amy: Have you ever been on the Monsters of Rock cruise? Jeremy White: No, I'm not a I'm not a fan of boats, but if they paid me to go, I'd go. Amy: Right. Right. Right. I I KATYA: Be like you'd have the food, you'd have drinks, you'd have your room right there you could run to. Because I'm thinking like, hmm, hmm. Amy: I wanna go. I'd go. I'd go. Jeremy White: Yeah, I mean that's more, you know, like or d you go to like you know one of those resort shows where like, you know, an artist sits up at the you know, Planet Hollywood in Cancun or something. You got your all inclusive experience, you go down to the pool and then you get ready to go to the dinner and then you have your show at night. Like, you know, that that's that's an experience, you know? But even that, it's like fuck, you got sand up your buttons and you know, everything else. And it's like KATYA: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Amy: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Heheheh KATYA: Well, you have to get to you have to take the time to get to Cancun too, right? I mean, this is Jeremy White: that too. Yeah, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I I yeah, I don't know, man. I just I'm not inspired to go to shows anymore. Unless it's somebody like I really, really like. Like, I don't know. I just I think I'm just I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I'm just too spoiled and I'm used to standing and not on the side of the stage with my past and stuff and like I don't have to deal with the animals on the floor, you know. Amy: Crazy. Vegas was cool. KATYA: No, I'm with you. No, I no, the way to see a show is off on the side with a pass and possibly playing with the guitars like before the show, right? That's Jeremy White: We're standing at the soundboard because that like you that's where the show is meant to be heard and meant to be seen, you know. So it's you know, being further at the back. That's why I people like they want to be on the guardrail or like, you know, in the first ten rows and they sell it for a premium because you want to be as close as you can to your favorite artist. But that's not the best place to see the show. Cause first of all, you're not getting the full sound mix. You're not getting the full sound of what the drums are, the guitars, like the everything, because the sound is going right over your head. And unless the show has front fills in front of the stage, a lot of shows have that now because everything's digital. KATYA: Standing at the soundboard. Yeah. Amy: We've done that. Mm-hmm. Jeremy White: And they need it there because you you're the stage is almost completely silent for a lot of these bands. If you go stand on the stage for Def Leopard, like say they're playing in the middle of the show and you walk through the middle of the stage, all you're gonna hear is cymbals. That's it. You're not gonna hear a guitar. You're and when they do the backing vocals, if you hear Joe maybe singing, it's quiet on the stage. It's dead silent. There's nothing. So even if you're standing on the side of the stage at a Def Leopard show, if they don't have a monitor there, you're only hearing the The wash of the PA system coming back at you and it you don't hear anything. So even being on the side of the stage in a lot of these shows, it's not worth it. Cause I mean, yeah, you're close to them and it's a cool experience, but you don't, that's not the best place you want to see a show. You want to be in the crowd. So, you know, further back, you wanna be at least, you know, 25 feet away from the stage, at least close to the soundboards. That's where you're gonna hear it best and you're gonna see it best. And so Amy: Yeah. You don't get the sound. Yeah. That's it's so funny that you say that because for the longest time we have been barricader bust, but we've also known that you sacrifice the full view of the stage and you sacrifice the sound. You know, but you know, just kind of for the fan experience that we were going for, it was worth it to be closest to, you know, whoever we wanted to be closest to. Jeremy White: Yep. Yep. I mean, look, I when I went see Def Leppard in Vegas, I I mean, I had my ticket and I went right, there was no barricade. So you were literally able to be like this on the stage and Phil was right in front of you. But if you were standing next to that speaker, or like if if you weren't standing in front of that front fill, you didn't hear anything. Like I had video of like filming, I was standing right in front of the speaker and I was filming Phil walking. And it I passed in front of the front fill and it's full sound sounds great. And then he's standing over here and like you just hear like the ride symbol. Amy: Nope. Yep, we were. Jeremy White: Like kinda like hitting and like a little bit of washing. You're like, fucking hell like it, you know. But that's it, you know. So best best best place to see a show, closest as you can be to the soundboard, you know. In my opinion. Amy: Ha. Yeah, yeah. No. It's totally true. Totally true. Yep. KATYA: Jeremy, you didn't happen to go to any any clubs after that Vegas show, did you, to see music? Jeremy White: No. KATYA: Okay. I'm just wondering if we ran into any of the clubs. Okay. Go for Amy: No, no, we and we were actually chatting. It was like and I was telling him we're going here and somebody had an early flight in the morning, so yeah. It was fun though. KATYA: Okay. Jeremy White: Yeah, something like that. But I don't know. KATYA: I That that might resemble me too. Jeremy White: I didn't go to anything after that. What did I do? I think I just went and got food and I went back to my hotel and I was flying out the next day. So Yeah. Amy: Mm-hmm. Yeah, you had an early flight, if I remember actually correctly. Our our fun bit was the Friday night. We were there if you caught the TMZ story. We got to see the Corey Feldman show. We were actually at that little speakeasy where Corey Feldman got up on stage. It was it was phenomenal. I mean KATYA: Okay, I was flying out. I was Jeremy White: yes. How was that? KATYA: It was a lot of fun. It was fun. Everyone was going. Amy: you know, we we are the Goonies generation. Like this was our this is this was the ultimate for us, right? And so to look over and see him at the couches we're like, that's Cory Feldman. Nobody, nobody freak out. That's Corey Feldman. And then, you know, so we just would peek over and he got up on stage and and, you know, he does his own thing, but he did a cover of Jesse's Girl, which was yeah, which which was great, you know. KATYA: Jesse's Girl, that was it. Another eighties song. Seventies, eighties. Yeah, whatever that was. Jeremy White: Nice. Yeah. Listen, I'll be honest with you, a guy guys like Corey Feldman, I've interviewed him and he was nothing but nice to us ever since. I mean, like he's a t he's a really nice guy and you know, terrible history and the stuff that he's gone through in the industry and whatever. But aside from that, people will talk shit and they'll take so much shit online from people that haven't been to the show and they'll only judge it based off that one video that they saw. But if you're there in the room, I mean I'll use David Lee Roth an ex as an example. Fucking awful vocals, okay? Awful vocals. Amy: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. yeah, we heard about this. Jeremy White: But if you go to that show, you're in the same room with Diamond Dave. He's they're playing the songs. The band is great. You're you're you're completely forgetting that he's singing terrible and you're just in immersed in the experience. And that's what it's all about. And it pisses me off when I see people online, fuck it, hang it up and this and that. It's like go to the show and experience it. Don't judge it based off a shitty iPhone video. Same thing with Vince Neal. Everybody's ragging on him. The dude had a stroke. Okay. He's still recovering. I mean, his vocals weren't as great as the KATYA: And you're loving it. Amy: Right. Jeremy White: I mean, for the you know, the last 20 years, but we forget that though. The band is fucking amazing. They sound great. John Five on guitar is just absolutely killing it. Furthermore, the like the the they're playing songs that you haven't heard in so long. And let's be real, in the next 10 years, all of these bands are gonna be gone. We're never gonna get the chance. We're never gonna be able to say, I'm going to David Lee Roth tonight. You'll never be able to say that ever again. I'm going to see Def Leppard. Look, we can't even say we're going to see Kiss. You know, it's like, KATYA: John Five is awesome. Amy: And forever. Yeah. KATYA: Yeah. Jeremy White: There's so many bands. We've w Mitch and I were talking about this recently. Our all of our bands have maybe about ten years of a shelf life left. And after that, you're picking yourself in the ass for not going David Lee Ross, Diamond Dave one last time. So just go and see the show and don't be a bit, you know? Amy: Yep. Yep. KATYA: No, right. Yeah. I agree. we are. We are spending the money to do You know, 'cause it was interesting when you were interviewing John Five and he said how many bands are still like the original? And it was like truly like it's U2 and Poison. And Poison didn't even they're not put Yeah, Amy: I've been Yeah. KATYA: Yeah. Jeremy White: Yeah, I mean there's I mean on and there's certain bands where like still like the key members there. I like look, Night Ranger, you still got Brad Gillis, you Kelly Keegy, you know, they're they're there. But yeah, a lot of the bands, I mean, they're gone. You know. KATYA: Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Amy: Yeah. Yeah. KATYA: Well, especially for you, you didn't get to see them in their heyday 'cause you weren't born yet. Amy: I Jeremy White: No, exactly. So for me to be able to say, like, you know, people complain bitching about Rush and Anakin Isles, I like fuck just go see him. She's killing her. It's Alex and Getty. Like to p do you could hear these songs performed at least by one of the guys that was there. I mean, come on man. Like what are you what are you upset about? No, exactly. Amy: Yeah. KATYA: Go see them. Love it. I'll take it. I'll take it. Yeah, I'll take it. Amy: No, I let me can I tell you guys why I absolutely appreciate this conversation and this this portion of the conversation? Because I've been really struggling with I mean, well, first of all, not really struggling because they're not coming anywhere near me, but Bon Jovi. Like so many of my life's memories revolve around Bon Jovi songs, right? They they really were. KATYA: They were our gateway drug to rock and roll. Yes. Or they were mine. Jeremy White: Yeah. No, absolutely. Amy: And I'm struggling because even hearing the new album makes me a little sad. Only because it's it's not what it was. And I need to I appreciate this conversation because it's helping me to reflect on who fucking cares? Because it's here. He's here. He's here. And because I was yeah. So I I appreciate that it's actually KATYA: Justin? Okay. Jeremy White: Yeah. No, absolutely. Yeah. He's still here, he's still doing it. KATYA: They're still doing it. He's still doing it. Amy: you know, kind of changing my opinion on the ability to listen to it. And it's not that I don't like it. It's just that it it makes me reflect on those days and what those days were compared to what these days are. And it's like it just brings me into a different place. But I just need to focus on I I just need to focus on KATYA: That we're kidding too old? Jeremy White: Those days. KATYA: Okay, so Amy, I will I'll get us tickets and then you're gonna come with me. How's that? I know they're playing like London. Amy: Yeah. Well, and they're also it's a lot of New York. Yeah. Yes, like a ton of shows in New York. Ton. Yeah. But I I've been struggling with that on a personal level. What Jeremy? Sorry. Yeah. It's Bon Jovi. Jeremy White: Do it. Let's go to New York City. Aren't they playing like six six nights at MSG or something? KATYA: That's yes. An ow yeah. I might not make these. Jeremy White: Yeah. Yeah man. I say just go. It's a good night out. KATYA: Yeah. Jeremy White: I said, you know what, just go. It's a good night out. I mean, like, come it's Bon Jovi. You're not gonna be able to say ten years from now, yeah, I'm going out, I'm going for dinner, I'm gonna Bon Jovi tonight. Like, come on. Yeah, it's take brief take it in while you can. Amy: I know. I just I I appreciate you giving me that perspective. I genuinely I do. 'Cause I I've been struggling with that. Yeah. Yeah. Jeremy White: Yeah, but No, 'cause that's how you have to look at it. KATYA: Yet when Bon Jovi stops touring, I'm gonna be very sad. Amy: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. KATYA: Right? If they're not gonna go Jeremy White: A lot of people I'm upset we didn't get that last Van Halen tour. So it's like, you seeing Sammy and seeing Dave, you know, regardless if they're great or not. I mean, fuck you. You're never gonna see those songs performed live by those guys ever again, probably. And like Max 10 years. I mean, Sammy's well, almost 80 now. Dave, same. It's like, you know, Alex is already retired from touring. You know, so go on go on. Yeah. Sammy's like seventy eight or something like that. Maybe even older. He's almost eighty. KATYA: into it, yeah. Yeah. Amy: I know. Yeah. KATYA: He's almost eighty. Amy: Crazy, right? It's crazy. I mean, you think about Montrose and Def Leppard in the same era. And yeah. I mean, but let me just say Jeremy, it's so funny that you mentioned Night Ranger. We're Bay Area girls. And so I actually went down to the whiskey and saw af we interviewed a couple of the guys, but we got to see I got to see Babylon ED, which they were in clubs. KATYA: Just like Jeremy White: Yeah. Yeah, man. cool. Amy: before I was twenty one. So I'd never gotten to see them live. So seeing them at the whiskey was was incredible. It was so fun. Jeremy White: Nice. For sure. Seeing them at an iconic venue like that, I mean, come on, that's an experience in itself. KATYA: the well the whiskey. Not in the mud. Bathrooms might be sketch, but not in the mud. Amy: Yep, yep. Yeah, Jeremy White: By the way, seven seventy seventy eight, by the way. Amy: what's the blood. Yeah. Jeremy White: Yeah, by the way, Sam Sammy is seventy eight, by the way. I just looked it up. Yeah. So there you go. KATYA: Seventy eight. Yeah, I guess if he's been making music Amy: He doesn't look KATYA: since yeah, yeah, ever since I can remember. Amy: Are he and Rick Springfield the same age? I think him and Rick Springfield are the same age. Yeah. Yeah. It's insane. Yeah. Jeremy White: I think they are, yeah. I'm pretty sure they are. KATYA: Wow. Jeremy White: Springfield seventy six. Yeah. Amy: Okay. Jeremy White: So there you go, you know. Amy: Yeah. So KATYA: it's okay. I want to look like that, be like that, and have that much energy when I am also 76 and 78. They that's inspiring. I know. I was like Yeah. Yeah. No, these guys are okay. Okay, so I am looking at the time now. Amy, are we ready for some rapid fire questions? Jeremy White: I wish I could look and be like that now. Amy: Yeah. Yes. Jeremy White: I'm ready. Amy: Okay, KATYA: pyromania or hysteria, you can only keep one forever. Which one is it? Jeremy White: Hysteria. KATYA: Okay. Okay, now knowing like you're all encompassing music-ness, do you prefer listening on vinyl, C D streaming? How do you how do you get your music? What do you how do you listen to it? Jeremy White: The music in my car. KATYA: Apple music on my headphones. That's me. Okay. what is, in your opinion, the single most underrated rock band from seventies, eighties, nineties now? Amy: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, same. Jeremy White: Cheap trick. KATYA: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. and on your YouTube channel, which episode should people go back to listen to? What's one of your favorites? Amy: valid valid. Jeremy White: I probably might interview Phil Collin or KATYA: The one last month? Jeremy White: Yeah, that one or the one before that. I mean, all of them or or the or the Brian Adams interview. I love that Brian Adams interview that we did. KATYA: That one was great. Amy: Mm-hmm. Yeah, that that one like screams success. KATYA: Okay. Jeremy White: Because it was really sentimental. I mean, like I don't I know if I ever told the story of that and I probably I I probably should re re upload that so people can see it again and like tell the story of how it all came about. But yeah, definitely the Brian Adams interview, the the Phil Collin one, even the Paul Stanley one, like the or or Nuno, Nuno Batancourt was freaking amazing. KATYA: Nuno Betancourt was an amazing interview. That one was wonderful. Jeremy White: Yeah. Even the Gary Sharon interview was great too. Like, I mean, I don't even think I put the full version up on the thing 'cause he went into a whole tale about how he loves Alice Cooper and and all these things. And so I I think the the podcast version has the full thing, but I don't think I put the full thing up on my YouTube channel. So I'm gonna have to go back and find that and try and get that up there. 'Cause it was it was a really good interview. Yeah, Gene Simmons was good too because he gave some really good insights into, you know, music biz and stuff and so yeah. Amy: Mm-hmm. Wow. Yeah. KATYA: Okay. Amy: Yeah. KATYA: And is the go ahead, Amy. Amy: Jeremy, I have a quick question. sorry. Have you ever I'm I'm sure that you have. This is probably a stupid question. So I'll phrase it in a way that I'm gonna assume the answer is yes. what was your favorite experience at NAM? Jeremy White: I've never gone to NAM. Amy: See, I was like, I I wanted to ask the question, have you ever been? And then I thought, no, surely he's been. Jeremy White: Yeah. I've I've never done. Yeah, no, I've never been. I've been asked to go a couple of times and like it just didn't like didn't work out. And I was just like, but like it's just music retailers and stuff. Yeah, it's a cool hang and everything, but it's like, I don't know. I mean, I'm not I'm not I'm not looking Yeah. I'm trying to think of no, I've I've never gone. I mean I've had I have so many friends like that could get me a badge and everything, but yeah, I don't know. I just never really had any interest. And Eddie Van Halen's dead, so I'll never get to meet him there anyway. So what's the point? KATYA: I know as a guitar guy. I wondering if you wanted to. Okay. Amy: Not your thing. All right. Right. Jeremy White: only reason I'd go. I mean I've met everybody else basically. KATYA: Yeah. I know, you have everyone else, so Amy: Right. KATYA: you wouldn't have to Amy: See, we haven't met everybody else yet, so we wanna go. Jeremy White: Yeah, you gotta go, definitely. Try fun. You should go. KATYA: is there any new band that we should be listening to? Jeremy White: new band you should be listening to. I know, right? when my record comes out, yeah. there's a really good band from from Canada called well, they're actually from Montreal. They're my buddy's band. They're called Guide Stones. And they just put on a new single recently, and it's really good. they did a cover, it was a cover of Amy: The Jeremy White Band? No. Okay. Jeremy White: I forget who wait, hold on a second. I'll pull it up here because I was in the studio with them as they were doing the song. And I was like, this is this is good stuff. And they actually did the the debut of it for on on our local rock station here. Show them. they did a cover of Midnight Rider. Remember that song? So yeah, so the the EP is called For the Birds, and the the band is Guide Stones. So if you want to check them out, and all of their other songs are really good too. Amy: Okay. Okay. Jeremy White: yeah, they're good. Also, another great band from Montreal. geez, I'm trying to yeah, yeah, that's them. That's them. My buddy Xander, he actually he's a hat maker and stuff. So, like if you ever see me with my big brim hats, I have I have two. I have the Loanhawk and I have one from him, and they make really good hats. Yeah. Yeah. Amy: This? Are you talking about this? Do I have it right? Okay. Okay. Okay. KATYA: Okay. Literally a hat. Amy: wow. Okay. All right, it's on. Jeremy White: I'm gonna think Jonas, Jonas and the Massive Attraction was a big band from Montreal. They toured with Van Halen in 2004. And I just recently re-rediscovered their album that they put out. I think it was called Bows and Arrows, but they have a song called Bows and Arrows. And that's like my favorite song right now for some reason. And the guitar player literally lives behind my parents. And I was talking to him about it recently, and he told me they recorded it in Paris with a real string section and everything. So if you want to check that song out, that's my like one of my favorite songs again, right now. And then there's another great Canadian man called Townlands. Amy: Okay. KATYA: I love that. Jeremy White: Crown Lands, it's a duo. They do like kind of progressive rock, almost kind of like a rush triumph type of thing. they're really good. It's these two guys. And I've been supporting them since they came out. We did a couple of interviews and they they they opened up for KISS on the end of the road tour, which is pretty sick. So Guidestones, Crown Lands, Jonas, yeah. And then trying to think of anybody else. KATYA: That's huge. That's huge. Amy: Okay. Bows and arrows. Jeremy White: Yeah, like What about Amy: That's excellent. Jeremy White: the damn truth too? I forgot about the damn truth. They're a really good band. They're from Montreal. Bob Rock produced their last album. Yeah, it just came out last year. The Damn Truth. Yeah. Yeah, they recorded it at the warehouse in Vancouver at Brian Adams Studio and Bob Rock produced it and everything. And they're a little bit older to the guys. They're not like a young band, but they're a new band, and they're freaking awesome. So go and check out The Damn Truth. highly recommend them. And they're good people too, so. Amy: Okay. Lab rock. Yeah. Okay. KATYA: That will be good. Okay, the we have a l my last question is what is your favorite thing to eat from your cafe? Amy: I love that. Okay, we have a list. Jeremy White: probably chicken tenders. Tomorrow's chicken tender Wednesday, so I'll send you a picture of that. Or Pizza Friday, baby. Pizza Friday. Can't go wrong. pepperoni, bacon, onions, and Mike's hot honey. KATYA: Okay. Amy: Chicken tendies. I love it. All right. KATYA: But wait, what toppings on your pizza? Amy: Mm. KATYA: Okay, just don't say pineapple. Okay, we're okay then. Amy: yeah. Uhhuh. Hot honey on pizza's good. Yeah. my gosh. Jeremy White: Crazy. But I'd hang up right now. you said pineapple, right? I was like, No no no fuck it up. I've been like, Get off my screen said pineapple KATYA: I well, you know what? I saw this pizza here in Virginia. No, it's like hot honey, like a hot peach sauce on it. So I'm gonna have to like try this as bizarre as it sounds. I don't know. Amy: He's like disconnect Jeremy White: Depending on what the other toppings are, I mean, I bet that's actually pretty good. KATYA: I'm gonna try it. I'm gonna say just to but yeah, just to try something different. Okay. Amy: Mm. Jeremy White: Yeah. I wanna take a screenshot of us. I'm gonna put it on my Instagram story. All right, ready? Wait, one, two, we'll do one more. Nice, there you go. Awesome. I love that. All right, ladies. Any anything else? KATYA: It's like I haven't so no this for for now we're gonna I've had so much Jeremy no thank you thank you for what you do like I love that Amy: No, but thank you. Yeah Yeah. Jeremy White: Thank you. Thanks for having me. And thanks you know, thinking of having me on. I don't I don't do a lot of these 'cause nobody ever asks me. And I love doing I love talking, being on shows. So, you know, tomorrow I'm gonna be on Yeah. tomorrow. I don't know when this is gonna broadcast, but tomorrow I'm gonna be on C B C Radio One across Quebec talking about the closure of a big Montreal music store and telling some tales and stuff. So it's it's kind of fun doing other little things where I'm on the other on the receiving end of questions, you know. KATYA: talk about you all the time. Amy: No, well we d yeah and Okay. We're on the receiving end. I I love it. Well Jeremy, I have to tell you super quickly, like when we were looking at starting our podcast in 2024 ish, I had been, you know, following along with you and watching your show. And it was a really I I kind of looked at it and I was like, this looks so f like we can do this. I think we can do this. And it just was one of those, it was two podcasts specifically. It was this one and Talkville, which is a Smallville rewatch podcast. Totally opposite ends. But I was like, these were my passions. And I just really felt like I think we can do this. So a a portion of the fact that we jumped out and and put together our show is in credit to you. So thank you for being an inspiration. Jeremy White: Nice. I love hearing that. KATYA: Do you look what you do? Amy: I think we both learned a lot from the things that you had to say. And I just wanna I I c I feel like you have so much more that that we could just absorb, but maybe another time, hopefully. And if we ever are in the same place at the same time again, we'll make sure that we connect this time. But thank you so much. We have loved this. You have no idea. KATYA: We're gonna find you. Yeah. Thank you. Jeremy White: Absolutely. Amy, you have to send me your address. I'll send you some merch. I have a couple of Jeremy White Show hats I could send you. KATYA: Ha ha ha. Amy: yay, okay. You'll see on our show too. We'll wear them. I love it. Well, Jeremy, thank you. I hope you have a great rest of your day and enjoy what was it, chicken chicken nugget Wednesday? Chicken Thunder Wednesday. Jeremy White: Yeah. That'd be awesome. KATYA: Thank you. Chicken tender w chicken tender Wednesday. Jeremy White: Check a tender Wednesday. Yeah, if anybody If anybody's in the Montreal area, come to Gaunawage. Come to come check out the Mohawk market tomorrow. Check a tender Wednesday. Pizza Friday, baby. Best place in town. Amy: I love it. Perfect. Thank you, Jeremy, so much. We'll talk to you Jeremy White: nice. KATYA: okay, talks to it. Amy: again. KATYA: Thank you, Jeremy. That was great. Amy: Uh-huh. I loved it. I loved it. I loved all the information. I loved the behind the scenes. The Shania Twain story. Come on. my goodness. KATYA: I mean, an album, Mutt Lang. Amy: I know. I love this guy. I'm like, he's he's like, when I think of our show, like I think of like Jeremy was a perfect fit, I feel like, for this chat. He tells great stories. I I just I could have listened to him forever. I could have just had it gone on. I really enjoyed this episode. I think it was a hundred percent worth the wait. KATYA: I just can't wait to see what he's gonna do in the future. Looking forward to the album. Amy: I know. I know. I you guys, you have to if you don't know Jeremy, you need to get to know Jeremy. All of his information is gonna be in the description below. Make sure you go check that out. We absolutely adore him. Been following him since since he won, like I said, promises, the Deaf Leopard thing years ago. That was my first introduction to Jeremy and have loved him since. So make sure that you check him out and We can't wait to chat with him again. For real. Like, I know. All right, you guys. Don't forget. Rock it life. KATYA: I can't wait. Okay. Rock the life. Amy: Bye. Love you, babe. Hey, coming to you. You're co on location. You're on location. That was so great. That was so great. Yeah, it was so great. That was excellent. So many that was awesome. Okay. You guys. Bye. KATYA: Love you too. On location from Blackstone, Virginia. That's what it.