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156. [South Carolina] Lindsey Lee · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 2: Because it's Tuesday at nine forty five. Some of us
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  Speaker 2: chit chat for that this week, because I we have
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  Speaker 2: some things to talk about.
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  Speaker 3: We got nothing to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: No, we do we have the neighbors that have annoyed
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  Speaker 2: me again? We have. I've started I'm gonna start a
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  Speaker 2: new thing where I share. I share with you controversial
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  Speaker 2: TikTok things for the week and then get your reaction.
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  Speaker 2: Remember I told you about the girl with the lunch
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  Speaker 2: and the husband. There's another one similar situation that everybody's
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  Speaker 2: in an uproar over on TikTok about this one.
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  Speaker 3: While everybody's in an uproar over the filming as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, anyways, yeah, I told Remember I told you about
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  Speaker 2: the one where the guy said he packed his wife
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  Speaker 2: for lunch and he said it was a joke and
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  Speaker 2: he packed her dog food and stuff like that. Anyways,
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  Speaker 2: but we'll talk about it more in depth. The other
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  Speaker 2: one I'm not going to tell him about until we
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  Speaker 2: actually record the episode anyways, and then we have TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: I've been doing great over there, Stew. Just I mean
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  Speaker 2: Instagram and Facebook. I don't gain any new followers, but TikTok,
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  Speaker 2: we're doing good over there. I share everything on TikTok
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  Speaker 2: with It's it's all my recommendations for true crime episodes
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  Speaker 2: is what I've been sharing, Stew.
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  Speaker 3: It's still the same thing that's on Facebook and Instagram.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I share it to them as well. Even
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  Speaker 2: though Instagram and Facebook are unappreciative of my content.
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  Speaker 3: They don't push your algorithm.
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  Speaker 2: No, they don't like me like the Chinese overlords do
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  Speaker 2: over there. So anyways, and then, uh, what else? Oh right,
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  Speaker 2: I already said that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you said that.
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  Speaker 2: Buy me a coffee. All right, We're gonna go ahead
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  Speaker 2: and get into this episode, like I said, because it's
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  Speaker 2: already nine forty five on a Tuesday night and I
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  Speaker 2: have to go to work in the morning, and I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to start writing my morning pages. You don't know
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  Speaker 2: what that is to doue. But remember I told, I
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  Speaker 2: said last week I was going to start my curriculum,
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  Speaker 2: my monthly curriculum that I saw on TikTok.
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  Speaker 3: See. I didn't ask you what that was, okay, I
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  Speaker 3: was just ating my eyes away.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a book called The Artist Way. It's about
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  Speaker 2: like recraming, reclaiming your creativity, and part of it is
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  Speaker 2: morning pages. So you're just supposed to stream of conscious
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  Speaker 2: three pages every morning right when you wake up, just
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  Speaker 2: go sick, make your coffee, and then just write.
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  Speaker 3: Can read this?
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  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely not No, one's supposed to ship You're not.
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  Speaker 2: That would have been exactly what I wrote earlier tonight.
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  Speaker 2: But no, you're not even supposed to reread them. It's
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  Speaker 2: just supposed to be like you're supposed to to just
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  Speaker 2: get h it out of your brain, just everything it
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  Speaker 2: can be. You can be writing and be like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to write all this. Why am I having
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  Speaker 2: to write this? This is stupid? I hate writing morning.
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  Speaker 2: You can even write that if you want to, you're
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  Speaker 2: just like just she calls it a brain drain, which
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  Speaker 2: I like better than people call them brain dumps, and
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  Speaker 2: I hate them. I just hate that word, a brain grumper,
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  Speaker 2: Like why don't we have to put dump on it?
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  Speaker 2: I don't care or like, uh, they'll do like crock
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  Speaker 2: pot meals and they'll be like dump mells or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: like no, because you dump everything for the bat.
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  Speaker 3: No, let's not call let's not call it a dump.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's so disgusting anyway, So I gotta get to
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  Speaker 2: bed tonight so I can try it. But my of course,
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  Speaker 2: I had to order special journals from Amazon to make
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  Speaker 2: this happened for me, so they won't be here to
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  Speaker 2: tell tomorrow. So I'm off the hook tomorrow morning.
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  Speaker 3: I guess one hour I was wondering what showed up today.
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  Speaker 3: I was looking and I was like, what the hell are these?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just telling you right now. I ordered a
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  Speaker 2: couple of journals for my morning pages. And I also
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  Speaker 2: ordered a new keyboard at work because I'm becoming growingly
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  Speaker 2: depressed at work and I need something that brings me
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  Speaker 2: joy at work.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, what'd you get me?
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  Speaker 2: I got you those whatever that thing is that you love.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, the spark arrestors for our chimneys.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I got you. And some replacement triple
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  Speaker 2: A batteries because I took all of them used doing
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  Speaker 2: my Harry Potter candles. Anyways, all right, so let's move
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  Speaker 2: on from that, all right. So now to our case
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  Speaker 2: out of South Carolina.
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  Speaker 3: For somebody that was going to get straight to it,
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  Speaker 3: you sure did babble a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that was a preview for a shoot the poof.
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  Speaker 2: So if you hated that, then do not sign up
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  Speaker 2: for Pedro. Do not do yourself a favor, all right.
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  Speaker 2: So Lindsay Nicole Lee Nay Pillington was born September nineteenth,
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  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five, in Searcy, Arkansas. We know somebody else
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  Speaker 2: who was born September nineteenth, don't we see, Yes, we
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  Speaker 2: do Lindsay's parents, and it's Deborah. And Steven would welcome
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  Speaker 2: another daughter a few years later, named Christa. Needing to
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  Speaker 2: make ends meet, Lindsay's father joined the military and they
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  Speaker 2: began moving around the country as well as overseas like Germany. Great.
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  Speaker 2: We had a great time, yes in Heidelberg, in Germany.
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  Speaker 2: We would like to go back to Heidelberg, all right.
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  Speaker 2: Lindsay did well moving around. She was one of those
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  Speaker 2: people that could easily make friends. So she didn't really
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  Speaker 2: have that hard adjustment that some military kids have that
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  Speaker 2: don't do well jumping from school to school. But she
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  Speaker 2: wasn't like that. She was able to just easily, like
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  Speaker 2: kind of get with the people that were there and
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  Speaker 2: make new friends. And she was also an excellent student
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  Speaker 2: now as a young girl and through high school. Lindsay
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  Speaker 2: also they talked about her struggling with her weight, and
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  Speaker 2: that was the one thing that always kind of bothered
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  Speaker 2: her that she couldn't quite get under control. I get you, Lindsey,
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  Speaker 2: I was real good. But the thing is is, you
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  Speaker 2: know what, when I look back and I thought I
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  Speaker 2: was fat, and I'm like, showed you that whatever I
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  Speaker 2: thought I was fat, I was not fat at all.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's it's crazy how that works. Do Anyways, In
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and three, the family moved to South Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: Now by two thousand and eight, Lindsay was working at
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  Speaker 2: a local bank, and this is where she meets Jason Lee.
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  Speaker 3: Earl. Huh, my name is Earl?
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  Speaker 2: Is that what his name is?
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  Speaker 3: I believe?
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  Speaker 2: So, oh, let's not get started on the stew on
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  Speaker 2: the ending of Earl, all right, that was one of
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  Speaker 2: the first things I learned about Stu when I started
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  Speaker 2: eating he was. He was very upset about the non
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  Speaker 2: ending of my name is Earl.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it still chaps my ass to this day.
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  Speaker 2: I had to watch all the seasons with you, all right.
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  Speaker 2: So Jason Lee, he was there to work on a vault.
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  Speaker 2: Now they hit it off, and next thing you know,
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  Speaker 2: they are getting married. Now. The family really liked Jason.
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  Speaker 2: He was funny, he was nice, he was always ready
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  Speaker 2: to help out anybody that asked. And there was really
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  Speaker 2: no issue with Lindsay wanting to marry Jason. They were
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  Speaker 2: all cool with it. Now. In September twenty ten, Jason
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  Speaker 2: and Lindsay are married and they would settle in West Columbia,
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  Speaker 2: South Carolina to start their lives together. Oh it's always
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  Speaker 2: starts off that way.
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  Speaker 3: It does so nice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Shortly after the marriage began, they started to have problems.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, go figure, been there. What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the problem was is we were together for what
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  Speaker 2: seven years before we got married or not? The problem?
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  Speaker 3: Rarely you consider it a problem. Okay, so oh the
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  Speaker 3: truth comes out.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm saying no, if you look back on a relationship,
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  Speaker 2: if we had gotten married two years into our relationship
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  Speaker 2: like most people do, a year and a half, two years,
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  Speaker 2: we would have had problems because we had problems around
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  Speaker 2: that time, I.
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  Speaker 3: Would say, you don't think would be together.
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  Speaker 2: No, we would have freaking gotten a divorce and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it went our separate ways and there would be no Poot. No,
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  Speaker 2: not Poot, Poots the baby that's not her real name.
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  Speaker 3: Poot's the baby that's her code name. Nobody can find her. So, yes,
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  Speaker 3: they started having problems. Both Lindsey and Jason would complain
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  Speaker 3: to their friends and family that the other one was
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  Speaker 3: lazy and unmotivated and just overall complaining about their partner too.
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  Speaker 2: Which stranger do this like I unless it's really bad,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, And you're just trying to get somebody to help,
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  Speaker 2: like encourage you to leave them. I don't think that
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  Speaker 2: you should be complaining about them on it all the
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  Speaker 2: time to family, especially your family. Friends is one thing,
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  Speaker 2: but your family, because then they're never gonna forget. Like
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  Speaker 2: you might move on from those friends, but that family,
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  Speaker 2: they're always around.
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  Speaker 3: They're gonna be like, oh yeah, it's gonna be a
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  Speaker 3: hell of a Thanksgiving dinner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he told me,
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  Speaker 3: she told me what you did. I don't even watch
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  Speaker 3: you at my table. That kind of thing. Christmases get
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  Speaker 3: very awkward.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, forever.
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  Speaker 3: Ever, they're never going to forgive. Now. Both of them
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  Speaker 3: like to spend money, and they like to go out
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  Speaker 3: and eat, and they like to go shopping. So they're
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  Speaker 3: digging themselves a financial hole, and they will get themselves
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  Speaker 3: in a bind with money more often than that. Lindsey
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  Speaker 3: continued to gain weight through all of this due to
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  Speaker 3: the frequent eating out and just not taking care of herself.
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  Speaker 2: It's really, it's.
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  Speaker 3: It's really.
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  Speaker 2: Uh what's the word. Oh my god, there's one of
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  Speaker 2: them blue stickers do from the moving No, Jesus, whenever
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  Speaker 2: they move you we're in the closet still whenever they move,
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  Speaker 2: because I moved for work, so they provided movers. But
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  Speaker 2: you will find these. They put these stupid blue numbers
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  Speaker 2: tags on everything you own, and you will find them.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure until you die. I think whenever they
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  Speaker 2: go unplug the machine that you're getting, they'll pull one
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  Speaker 2: of them blue stickers. Yes, but I was gonna say,
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  Speaker 2: it's just uh, it's a it's what is it a
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  Speaker 2: bad coincidence that you're reading the portion about her gaining
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  Speaker 2: weight as a man like.
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  Speaker 3: She just kept on eating, just kept on, kept on,
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  Speaker 3: went to the buffet and kept on grazing. Didn't miss
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  Speaker 3: a meal at the Gold Corral.
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  Speaker 2: This is important to the story though, This is what
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  Speaker 2: leads us into, you know, a lifestyle change and things
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, now, as one might imagine, as she's gaining weight,
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  Speaker 3: her self esteem is continuing to plummet.
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  Speaker 2: Do I didn't want it just to sound like Stew's just.
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  Speaker 3: Like bagging on the bagging on this chicks.
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  Speaker 2: For gaining weight. Don't worry, Jason plumped up as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, so her gaining weight. Her self esteem going down
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  Speaker 3: did not help her relationship with Jason. Now. Jason had
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  Speaker 3: also let himself go during this time, and in twenty fourteen,
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  Speaker 3: Jason decided he was going to hit the gym. He'd
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  Speaker 3: had enough. He became very involved with his gym and
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  Speaker 3: he decided to try to get Lindsey to come with
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  Speaker 3: him so that they would have an activity to do
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  Speaker 3: together and maybe heal some of their marriage. He just
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  Speaker 3: wanted her to.
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  Speaker 2: Lose weight too, and then she murdered him.
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  Speaker 3: Then and that's when she killed him.
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  Speaker 2: I got that she would ever asked me to go
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  Speaker 2: to the gym.
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  Speaker 3: By twenty fifteen, Lindsey decides to start going to the
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  Speaker 3: gym and she just falls in love with it. She
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  Speaker 3: finds a trainer that really motivates her and she begins
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  Speaker 3: losing weight. Over about a year, she loses about one
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  Speaker 3: hundred pounds. Her love of fitness then spread into the
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  Speaker 3: judo classes and she began going to competitions. With these competitions,
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  Speaker 3: her training schedule increased and they were more intense, but
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  Speaker 3: she loved it. Also during this time, she got a
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  Speaker 3: new job at the Sheriff's Department, working in the IT department.
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  Speaker 3: And the department twice, department department.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the department of departments.
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  Speaker 3: The department of it at the Sheriff's department. She was
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  Speaker 3: really confident and she was feeling very positive about herself
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  Speaker 3: off and her life. About this time, Jason decided, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna impregnate you. You just lost you just lost you
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  Speaker 3: up all this weight, so it's better time to knock
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  Speaker 3: you up now. Lindsay is like, I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: get large and it'll halt all this progress, so I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to have any children.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, well, no, it don't make it. It's not that
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  Speaker 2: she it's not because she was.
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  Speaker 3: A contributing factor. No, it was implied.
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  Speaker 2: It might have been implied, But I think she just
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  Speaker 2: really she was really loving, like the I think when
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  Speaker 2: something like this happens, when you just change, like there's
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  Speaker 2: a very you're a very different person. If you didn't
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  Speaker 2: care about going to the gym and now you're a gym.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about this with a CrossFit person. Yes, if
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  Speaker 2: you turn into a CrossFit person, you're a it's like
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  Speaker 2: like you're a different person, you know, And so I
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  Speaker 2: think it just changed her, changed what she values, what
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  Speaker 2: she saw going, and I think she didn't. She was
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  Speaker 2: starting to think she didn't want children at all. Ever,
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  Speaker 2: she just really loved I mean, she's confident and happy
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  Speaker 2: in doing something she loves for the first time. I
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  Speaker 2: mean that could have changed down the road, but at
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  Speaker 2: this time she's like, no, I don't want to care,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to do nice weighing me down.
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  Speaker 3: No, yeah, I'm beginning up at two am doing two
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  Speaker 3: am feedings? Are you crazy?
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  Speaker 2: Well, if you do the right classes, the taking care
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  Speaker 2: of babies, not.
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  Speaker 3: For the ace week first a thirty six eight weeks.
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  Speaker 2: It's a bit rough, but all of our slept through
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  Speaker 2: the night starting eight weeks, just saying okay taking care
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  Speaker 2: of babies. And no, I'm not the owner of the course.
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  Speaker 3: That's just the lady's name happens to be the same name.
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  Speaker 3: Lindsay continues her judo journey and has made friends with
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  Speaker 3: her trainer. But during this time, Jason's desire to go
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  Speaker 3: to judo is dropping off and he eventually quit. So
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  Speaker 3: this one thing that they were doing together they are
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  Speaker 3: no longer.
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  Speaker 2: Doing together, and it is a mail trainer Phokus Wah
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  Speaker 2: mail trainer.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: In April twenty sixteen, the relationship finally comes to an
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  Speaker 2: end when Lindsay sits Jason and says I'm done and
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  Speaker 2: she wants to get out of this marriage now. During
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  Speaker 2: this time, Lindsay moves in with her mother and Jason
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  Speaker 2: starts a new job that is about two hours away
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  Speaker 2: and moves into an apartment nearby. It didn't seem like
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  Speaker 2: he put up much of a fuss over ending the marriage.
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  Speaker 3: It just.
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  Speaker 2: He just kind of accepted it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if she don't want to have children, that's what
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  Speaker 3: he wants, you got to go part part the sheets.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he eventually didn't accept it, I guess. Now, once
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  Speaker 2: Jason is out of the house, Lindsey decides to move
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  Speaker 2: back because since his did I mention the apartment, he
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  Speaker 2: gets a job two hours away, so he moves into
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  Speaker 2: an apartment. So now there's just their house that they
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  Speaker 2: had lived in and it's just sitting in their vacance.
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  Speaker 2: She's like, okay, well I'm gonna move back in there
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  Speaker 2: and start to work on fixing it up so that
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  Speaker 2: we can sell it and split the asset. Now Jason
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  Speaker 2: agrees to this and even agrees to help Lindsay fix
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  Speaker 2: up the place. Now it is a pretty amical divorce process.
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  Speaker 2: At this point, Jason even began dating other women and
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  Speaker 2: everything seemed to be going well for too and by
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  Speaker 2: March of twenty seventeen, they were on the path to
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  Speaker 2: go ahead and finalize this divorce.
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  Speaker 3: Nice.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it did take a while, but I guess they
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  Speaker 2: were just working through everything. But they got to fix
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  Speaker 2: up the house before they can sell it.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm not gonna mean if you don't have
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  Speaker 3: a value on the house while you're fixing it, I
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  Speaker 3: guess you can't really come to an agreement.
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  Speaker 2: Well, but you can come to agreement and say, well
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  Speaker 2: I'll get half. Well, no, whenever. Okay, So a friend
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  Speaker 2: of mine got divorced recently, En Sotel, tell you you
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  Speaker 2: know who got divorced.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I didn't even know you had friends.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, a lady I work with. God, Oh, a
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  Speaker 2: lady I work with got divorced, and she was spilling
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  Speaker 2: the tea on her. I was trying to help her
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  Speaker 2: with I was trying to help her make some decisions
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: and everything because for some reason that she thinks I'm wise. Anyways,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: so the judge in their case, they the judge set
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: a price that if someone offered this much money, they
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: had to take it so they could get more for it.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: They could agree to less sell it for less, but
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: there was a there was a number that if someone
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: offered that, the other person could be like, no, you
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: can't sell it because they don't want to get into Yeah,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: you can't get into a situation where someone's just refusing
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: to sell it because and claiming. And it was it
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: was like five or six thousand below what they were
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: listing or whatever, and that was the price where if
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: someone offers that, then you sell it. And it was
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: it was to keep someone from controlling because in this
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: situation she had the.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: It was not an amicable dema.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: No, it was not.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: In this case, she had a controlling person on the
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: other side, and he would have continued to say, I'm
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: not selling it for that much. I'm not selling that much.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: So that may have been the hold up. They said, well,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: wait until you have it where you want it, and
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: then maybe the judge sets a price that says you
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: have to sell it at that point so one of
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: them can't drag this on forever. Possibly because they didn't
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: have any children to like splitter or.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Anything like that, they didn't talk about a dog or
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: a cat that they had to pay.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: They just had a house that they had to split.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: So I guess, I guess if everything's going fine too,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: and you're just working on the house together, you might
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: as well just.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Wait til you get it done and get it a praise. Yeah,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: then't decide how much you're gonna split it for. On
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: March fourteenth, twenty seventeen, co workers are concerned when Lindsey
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: fails to show up for work at the Lexington County
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Sheriff's Department. Lindsay was always one of the first people
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: there because she worked different hours so that she could
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: fit her judo training.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Schedules, and she was dedicated.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: She was She's like, I can't come into work today
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: at this time, so I gotta work these hours. I
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: gotta go kung fu.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: She's probably one of these like which she worked in it,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: so she'd probably do a lot of stuff. But what
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: if they needed it support later in the day.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Lindsay she's a remote worker. Probably.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I don't think she was remote because they mean she
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: could work remote.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: I'm sure she could work remote. I don't know if
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: she had to make up some hours.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: It depends on what she had access to on the
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: remote computer.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: It always does. Yeah, okay, that was your input.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm tired, let's just see Jesus.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: She was also very reliable, unlike my co host Hair,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: So she wasn't very reliable. No, you're not.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Do I come home after work every day?
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Is that not reliable?
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: No, that's not reliable.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I came home today with the new snake plant in
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: a in a plant stand. Yeah.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not reliable. That just means you bought some
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: shit from somebody in the neighborhood.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: No, I bought the plant stand and she gave me
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: the snake plant for a lot.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Or did she really tell you the snake plant give
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: away the plant stand.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: No, she offered me the snake plant after the fact.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: She's going to give me a monsera, a montsoro whatever
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: it's called Monte Santo cutting because she's trimming her She's
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: going to give me one to propagates. Do don't shop
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: prop you.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Know, that's what they say. Yes. So, anyway, she was
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: very reliable. So when she was not there, her coworkers
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: thought something was very wrong. One of the patrol officers
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: got a call from the office and they asked him
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: to go check on her since he was in the area.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: He knocks on the door at her house, nobody answers.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: He calls her phone, nobody answers that. Now he supposedly
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: had a bad feeling, so he walks around the back
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: of the house, sees that the back door looks like
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: it's been broken into. This is when he calls for
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: backup and the other officers show up with the residents.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: They can hear water running after they walk in. It's
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: coming from upstairs. Police head to the room with the
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: running water, which happens to be the bathroom upstairs.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I wrote that like that, Like
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: what other room upstairs would be water? I don't know.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, you could have a kitchen on the second floor.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Well, we were watching something that had a kitchen on
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: the second Yeah.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: I thought that was terrible. Whoever designed that house needs
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: to be shot.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, well, I don't know. It was probably a true
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: crime thing.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Then watch well the ones down in e Wrath and
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: all that earfr Some of them houses have the kitchens
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: up on the second floor. You got to take the
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: elevator up there, or they got like a dumb waiter
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: because all the houses aren't stilts in earth?
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Erath stop saying earth, that's what they say.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Earth.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's finish this up. We're on a tight schedule,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: are we.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: After all your sidetracks? I don't think we are anyway.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: They pull back the shower curtain. They find Lindsey lying
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: there lifeless. It was clear that she did not fall
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: in the shower or anything of the sort, because she
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: was It looked like she had been placed in the
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: shower with her hands across her chest and there was
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: a we'll tell large incision across her neck where it
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: appeared that she had blood out. Whoever did this placed
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: her in the shower, basically guessing so that they didn't
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: get blood everywhere and track it through the house. Officers
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: called it in and since they worked with Lindsay and
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: they were friends with her, they're not allowed to investigate
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: this case. So they got to call in a different
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: department to come in and do the investigation of the
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: hamas sad I'd be sled the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: All right, So we're they're looking at the crime scene
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: and appears that there had been a struggle leading up
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: to the murder. There were groceries and grocery bags lying everywhere.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Underneath some of the bags were like tiny little pieces
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: of blue latex gloves, which was a weird thing. And
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: autopsy would later reveal that Lindsay had bruising on her
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: indicating a strangulation attempt, but her cause of death was
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: that blood loss from the cut across her neck. Now
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: they believe that she was strangled to unconsciousness and then
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: that's when they the person moved her into the shower
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: where they then slit her neck. Investigators start asking around
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: and find that the last time anyone saw Lindsay alive
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: was the day before Monday, March thirteenth, at her training
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: session with Graham Graham her trainer slash friend. Now, they
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: talked to family and friends about her relationships and find
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: that she was going through this divorce. However, everybody, from
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: what everybody knew, it was very amicable. Like we talked
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: about he you know, he's helping, you know, fix up
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: the house.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Everything's good, Yeah, done, and that they.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Were about to sign the divorce papers to finally finalize it. Now,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Plase head on over to talk to Jason, who is
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: two hours away, and he seems surprised when he sees police,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: and he's upset when they tell him that Lindsay has
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: been murdered. Not my ex wife, No, no, I'm gonna
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: get the whole house. Now.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: This is terrible.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: It's terrible. Although the divorce seemed amicable, they still need
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: to like look into this guy, you know, his whereabouts,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: since he obviously had a clear motive his whereabouts. And
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: he tells police that he hurt his foot that Monday
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: evening and took some pain medication and had just gone
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: to bed. They did notice some scratches on him and
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: he said that he did this this was due to
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: dry shaving.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Is that that is not for the week? Like, have
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: you ever dry shaved your legs?
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Yes, I have dry shaved my face.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, I've never done that because that sounds it.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Is terrible And it would scratches well, I mean if
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: you cut yourself, it could, but that.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I don't think that scratches like would be the same
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: as like fingernail scratches.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Did they say it was fingernail scratches or they just
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: said he.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Had scratches and he said it was due to dry shaving.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can get injuries due to dry shave.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: All right, So as investigators continue to talk to Jason,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: he tells him that tells him that he did not
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: come out of his apart. He tells them, sorry, sorry,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: get it, stray girl. Jason tells them he did not
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: come out of his apartment until Tuesday morning.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Who's them?
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: The police? They ask him about his vehicle, if they
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: can like go look at it or whatever, and he
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: tells them that he walked out and it was gone crazy.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Story, gone crazy story. I think somebody stole it. Shit,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: I don't even know what happened to it.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Well, he said that he believed it had been repossessed
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: because he was behind on payments because he continued his
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: bad financial choices after Lindsay and him split, and they
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: had been threatening to take it. So he's just assumed
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: that that's what just just what happened to it is.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: So he went back to eating out. Lindsay stopped eating out,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I guess got fit and got her finances job in order. Yes,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: And Jason's like, app but I'm going to go eat
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: out some more. Yes, to get my f this car payment. Yeah,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: I need some McDonald's.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Yep, I need to eat my feelings. Yes, Lindsay be
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: looking good.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: And she left my ass Now, after talking to Jason,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: they will need to follow up on some of the
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: things that he said, but they move on to talk
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: to Graham, you know, just in case they got a
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: little something going on, because he was also the last
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: person that they were that they knew had seen her.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: When speaking to Graham, they were able to confirm an
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: alibi for him, so they moved back to looking at Jason.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: During this time, they did find a receipt at Lindsay's
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: homes showing that she had been at the Walmart.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Always the wall, always a Walmart, you know, it's always
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: a Walmart on.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: The Monday evening. So they go on, they post cur
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: to cameras and she doesn't seem upset or anything wrong.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: While she's shopping. There's nobody following her, so it doesn't
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: appear that anybody follow her home from the Walmart. As
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: they're looking into Jason, they get a call from police
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: officer in Greenville County, where Jason is living. He tells
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: them about a week.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: It's Greenville's do not go Greenville, Greenville.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: This is that whole thing all over again. Bowed days,
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: he tells them about a weird encounter he had at
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: the Walmart there with a man that matches Jason's description.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: The officer was looking at his vehicle and Jason approached
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: him and got into a little snit with him about it.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Snitt, it's because I wrote hint and you didn't know
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: what to say.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: I did not.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: He got it, got a little little pissy with him
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: the whole thing.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Investigators pull surveillance footage from the Walmart, and the car
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: that Jason said was repossessed was actually sitting at the Walmart.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Why would you park at the at a Walmart? Why
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: this is a different Walmart. So, Lindsay's in West Columbia
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: at that Walmart. She just had me shopping. So don't
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: don't confuse that he's at the Walmart she was at.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: That's not what it was. He's at his Walmart in
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: his town. Yes, yes, two hours away. But again, why
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: why would you do this at the Walmart? Why did
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: you do anything? You know, there's really good security cameras.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: You've got a crap alibia that you're at your home
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: and no nobody else was there to witness it. Don't
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: be seen somewhere else.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, and don't go to the Walmart.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Or anywhere that has cameras, so stay at home.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Well, I couldn't stay at home because there might be
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: something going on with Jason.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Really, they noticed that the tags on his vehicle had
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: been removed. Jason had parked this vehicle in the parking
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: lot at about five seventeen am on March fourteenth, the
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: day that Lindsay's body was discovered. It appeared that he
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: had left on foot and walked back to his apartment
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: and returned a short time later with his work vehicle.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: He'd been about four minutes next to his vehicle, and
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: they believe he was moving the murder weapon at this time.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: This surveillance footage proved that he was lying about his alibi,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: saying that he took pain medication and had gone to
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: bed and slept all evening.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he claimed he went to that bed that
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Monday night and he didn't leave his house until Tuesday.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Tuesday at the time that the police were contacting him. Now,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: with this information, they are able to obtain a search
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: warrm for his apartment and they find that he has
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: those blue Latex love gloves, matching the ones where they
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: found little bits of it at the crime scene. He's not.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: He's such a dumb ass.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: He's not.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: He was freaking lazy boufo back spending with suspending habits
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: and just a loser and he just is just such
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: so stupid. Anyways, looking at his financial situation, he wasn't
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: extreme debt obviously, if his car is getting repolled. He
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: was about to be evicted from his apartment. He was
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: behind on his car payment, he was over the limit,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: got a car.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: To live in after you get evicted from your apartment.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: He was over and he can't go back to that
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: one house because he's probably trying to present to Lindsay
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: like he's you know, you don't want to go be
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: looking your worst, especially if she's got her shit together,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: losing weight, looking good, because I'm yeah, you can't free,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: yeah you can't. You can't be looking like a loser.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: So he's probably presenting to her as if he's got
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: it together. So he's over the limit on the only
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: credit card he had in his name, and he owed
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Lindsay thirteen hundred dollars prior to the divorce being being
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: able to go through on April first, so that would
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: have been embarrassing for him to be able to say,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I don't even have thirteen hundred dollars.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: He got to be able to balance transfer from one
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: to another.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at least. But see the problem is it's a
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: good thing he only had one because he would have
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: had the other one ran up too that you couldn't know.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't think he's responsible enough to just have
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: two credit cards just balance transfer back and forth.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: No, I think he'd done ahead hit up that Arby's
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: drive through one too many times for that nonsense. They
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: got the meats, yeah, yeah, So he's supposed to have
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: this money by April first, when they're supposed to sign
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: this these divorce papers, and he had about one hundred
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: dollars in his checking account. Now, when speaking to Jason's
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: co workers, they found inconsistencies for how he got those
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: scratches on his face. He told police that the scratches
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: were from that dry shaving, but he told his co
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: workers that a cat.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Scratch team got the cat scratch fig. Yes.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: They also interviewed Jason's girlfriend at the time, which who's
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: dating this fucking loser girlfriend at the time, and she
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: stated that he was upset about lindsay getting several thousand
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: dollars from the cell of the home, and he was
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: struggling because he's gonna have to split the asset with her.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Well, if she's getting several thousand, so is he.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's got he's behind on his rent, so
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: all the pretty probably all the money he's gonna get
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: because when you think about it, though they got married
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: in twenty ten and I don't know what year they
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: moved to the house, but it hasn't gone up probably
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: that much inequity in that short amount of time.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: And if they're just paying the.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Minimum or the minimum payment.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: The mortgage as is and not putting any extra.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: On it, well, yeah, they weren't because they weren't find it.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: They both have made poor financial choices.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: In the beginning. So if they're paying PMI on top
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: of everything else, if they didn't put twenty percent down.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they now they've got to do. They've
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: got to So whenever they probably split this, they might
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: probably get like five thousand dollars each out of this.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: And he's got to put it all to catch up
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: his rent and his car. So it's not repossessing us
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: someplace to live.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because after seven years, Oh yeah, that could be
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: like only ten or fifteen thousand dollars.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, after closing cost. That's your financial moment for today.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, all right.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: So he also told her that after he found out
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: that Lindsay was dead, he said, well, now my financial
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: troubles are gone, because now he would get the entire
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: profit from the home.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Your financial problems will not be gone until you fix yourself.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Listen to Dave Ramsey, Jesus Christ, could you imagine that
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: call in a day?
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Ramsey, Look, I killed my wife so I could get
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: the rest of the house. And what do you think
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: I ought to do with it now that I got it?
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Dave, he'd be like, Uh, well, we're gonna need to
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: get you some counseling. If you sign up for the
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Every Dollar app, we can get you out of this.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: We're gonna put you in financial peace.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Don't be taking out any loans to pay for your lawyers. Now,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: it's not what you want to do anyway. So the
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: final piece of evidence to tie Jason to the murder
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: was the DNA testing from the Latex gloves came back
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: matching Jason's DNA. So this fucker did it, and he
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: did a very poor.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Job at it. Most of the time, they do do
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: a poor job at it. It's just they get lucky
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: that they don't find the body for a certain amount
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: of time and the DNA evidence is gone.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Well, especially if you're the spouse that did it or
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: soon to be ex spouse, you're gonna get caught like that.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Remember that one guy that killed the coworker from the
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: men's store. Yeah, and the only reason they found it
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: is because he buried it in his yard in the
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: case it started coming up and the sun saw it. Yeah,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Like those are so random, Like it is hard to
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: catch those. But most of the time it's just but I.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Mean he did some stupid shit too, like putting it
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: in his yard.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was dumb. That was. That was, but he
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: almost got away with it.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: And whoever killed the miss Biebers in our other episode
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: that was that was a well.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I think they looked out with the cameras not working outside,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: I think they knew though. That's why I think it
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: was that security guard because I think he knew that
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: she wasn't working, Yes, that those specific cameras weren't working,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: and he knew that if he went inside as long
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: as he covered himself. They would never be able to
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: tell anyways. But let's finish this case.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: So should we rehash other stuff?
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's see what Dave Ramsey would say.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: On March seventeen, twenty seventeen, just three days after Lindsay's
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: body was found.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Saint Patrick's Day's never going to be the same for him.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: It will not. Jason was arrested and charged with her murder. Yeah,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: it only took three days to catch Jason.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: It's not like this, you wanted to get caught. He's like,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I'm about to be homeless. I can go to jail
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: and they'll feed.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: For the rest of my life. The case did go
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: to trial in twenty nineteen, and on November twenty second,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: he was convicted of her murder. The jury only deliberated
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: for about an hour and he was sentenced to been
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: the rest of his life in jail.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, and he's just a shitty person.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Why because he murdered somebody.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: No, because he's just a fat loser that can't keep
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: his financed control. This woman that he's married, she gets
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: her life together. He just keeps slipping off and everything.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: She's like, okay, well I'm done. Let's just part ways
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: and be done. And then he just can't stand it.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: So I think there was also behind the financial I
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: think there was a hatred that Lindsay got her life together.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: And he continued the slow march T Yes, Loserville.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, anyways, that's our case for tonight or this week.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: It is nighttime. As I've told you, guys, stud do
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: you have a yall need Jesus?
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I always have a y'll need Jesus.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, are you ready to go?
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're ready this time? So I don't have to
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: talk about anything else random.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know. What'd you like?
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Tom? No, I want to go to bed.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: You don't want to talk about the neighbors.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: No, I'm going to save that for sheet the poop
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: back yards, because I don't want to start with the neighbors,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: horse liniments. What's we have? Some random topics? What was
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: the backyard stuff?
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Whatever it's going on in the back
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: children playing in mud? I don't know.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's our new night time. It's starting to
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: get cooler, like it it's so hot here. You know,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: you just can't really do anything when the sun's out
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: because these little fair haired children are just gonna burn
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: to a crisp and so now it's starting to get
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: a little bit cooler. The sun's not as hot. So
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: they've been playing in the mud every night. That's a
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: good only benefit to having a backyard that's dirt, basically,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: because we just turn on the water hose and they
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: just make like mud everywhere.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: It's not even mud. It just goes down into the sand.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I know, it's it's just drives out so fast. It's
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: like it's never gonna it's it can just absorb it
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: because it's so dry out here. It's terrible.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: I wear out hair wasting water in the desert.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes we are. We need some sort of joy
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: in our life if it comes from a keyboard and
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: water in the backyard.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: A keyboard, the keyboard I bought.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: So I'm not depressed at word.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I get Oh, I got some spark, yes
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: from my chimney.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Is that we've apparently some more horse liniment.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, so we'll tell that story another day. Yes, all right, ready, Yes,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: this will not follow our usual Florida not Florida. Okay,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: I mean it could, I mean yeah it could. That
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: time a marine mechanic took a joy ride and a
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: stolen A four M Skyhawk Florida. Okay, this comes to
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: us from the Military Times dot caur military dot com.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: This was published in March eighteenth, twenty one, Carol by
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: mister Blake. Still, Well, how much could a Marine Corps
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: fighter cost? That was probably one of the questquestions running
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: through twenty one year old Lance Corporal Howard Foot's mind
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: as the enlisted flight mechanic climb climbed into an unarmed
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: A four M Skyhawk in the middle of a July night.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: In case you were wondering, the cost is roughly eighteen
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: million dollars. Rather, that was the cost back in nineteen
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: eighty four when Foot stole one of them from Marine
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Corps Air Station El Toro.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Today that I don't understand. What what is these years?
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I don't understand.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: This is just telling us when the when the crime happened?
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: When did the crime happen in twenty twenty one or
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: two thousand or night?
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: The story is a rehash of the nineteen eighty four story.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, so this is nineteen eighty four.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Yes, this actual?
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: The only person confused I can guaranteemage. Okay, fine, did
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: it happen in Florida or not, that's the question.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: Marine Corps Air Station Al Toro, California. Oh okay, I
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: was there not when this happened, but I was at
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: that Martin Corps station.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: This is a story about stew This is a story
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: about Lucky.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: I've said that the last three What was that other?
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: This story about a girl or whatever.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: This is the story of a girl who cried a
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: river and drowned the whole world. While she looks so
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: sad in photographs, George when she smiled?
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Is that Georgia J.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Stewart, Garthbrooks dumbass? No, I think it was acdc eh today.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: I think it was Ozzy Osbourne last week.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Too soon, too soon, Cara Today, the cost of that
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: fighter would be equivalent of forty one million dollars for
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: just an inflation centuries. Tried to stop Foot as he
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: taxied the aircraft for takeoff, but they just couldn't get
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: his attention. Yeah, I'm sure that was the problem. But
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: joined the Marines to go to the Core Enlisted Commissioning Program,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: hoping to attend flight school and at an eltoral public
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: affairs officer told La Times. However, when flying at forty
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: two thousand feet in a glider. He suffered an area
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: embolism similar to the benz suffered by divers, so he
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: was unable to become an officer and go to flight
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: school Kara, which kind of hurt his feelings.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: The bens stole a plane, yes, a.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Fighter jet, not just any plane, a fighter jet. The
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: benz is the.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Diver's terms unarmed. It was basically a small plane.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Yes the divers. The benz is the diver's terms for
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: decompression sickness, where the gases and the bodies like nitrogen
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: and the compressed oxygen tanks used by divers come out
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: of the blood in bubbles because the body doesn't have
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: time to adjust to the pressure around it. We're going
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: to go to a dive school. They No, We're not
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: going to do scuba diving.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: No, I don't believe in that.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: So anyway, for mister foot, I'm not going to go
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: in the ocean.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Have you unplugged something on me? I've seen too many documentaries.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: That girl in Australia that was murdered girl I believe
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: accident on her honeymoon. He unplugged her something down.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: There, unplugged her scuba tank on a honeymoon.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: On a honeymoon. I believe we'll have to look it up.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sure it's happened more than once in different places. Yes. Anyway,
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: flight school was not going to happen for mister Foot,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: so he became a mechanic instead. When he joined the
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Marine Corps, still he had to realize his dream of
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: going up to helm at the helm of a fighter.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: I worked my entire life for this, flight Foot told
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: the La Times four years later. There was nothing else.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: The young marine drove up to the plane and a
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: vehicle used to take pilots to the aircraft. He even
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: wore a flight suit to dress the part. He flew
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: the fighter for fifty miles roughly half an hour, doing
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: loops and barrel rolls over the Pacific Ocean.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: I have a question, when did top gun come out
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: about this time?
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking, yep, it was somewhere in there.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: And he in his head was that music playing.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Well, here's a pilot. I didn't just watch a movie
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: and go I did it.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: But he I thought you said he couldn't do the
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: thing because he had the bins.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because he had an issue in the glider and
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: that caused an issue.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, so he wasn't able to ever do this, so
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: he had to commander one so he could do this. Yes, okay,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: I'm saying he was okay. He was like, I gotta
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: let this go. And then he saw Tom cruise and
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: top Gun.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: He's like, no, I got I don't know. Maybe I'll
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: ride him in check with him and see if that
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: is the case. He then landed the airplane after making
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: five passes of the runway. No one tracked the plane.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: They didn't send any other fighters up to intercept it.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Foot brought it back on his own.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty six. I was wrong. What that's when top Gun?
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: He inspired Top Gun is what happened.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Foot was sent to. They call it the Stockade, but
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: it's actually in marine parlance it's called the brig At
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Camp Pendleton. He served four and a half months of
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: confinement and served an He was dished up in other
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: than honorable discharge. He tried to fly for Israel and
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Honduras after this discharge. He later qualified as a test
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: pilot in more than twenty different military and civilian aircraft
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: and became a contractor to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. He
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: holds patents in aviation design and engineering technology.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, engineering technology.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, so none of all heroes wear capes. I
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: remember hearing this story whenever I got to El Toro
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: back in ninety ninety one. Show.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's not age you, let's not do this too. Okay,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: why let's just not all right?
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: So well it had to be because they closed al
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Toro in ninety eight.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: So well, we couldn't let the people have their imagination
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: run wild instead of just giving them an image. All right,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: So that's our yall, that's our case. That's the y'all need. Jesus.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: That's everything Patreon for shoot the poo and you can
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: hear about the whole thing.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: What you doing with horses?
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Girl? No, the story that we're gonna tell anything that
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: has to do with people we know or family has
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: to go on the shoot the.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Poop because well, the divorce shirt didn't what the story
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: about the divorce?
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't say any names. That could be anybody?
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, anybody you work with?
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, Anyboddy I work with. Oh I've got some stories
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: about some people I work with. Anyways. Uh Craig was
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: added again today, but.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Come on, Craig Uh, all.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Right, so Patreon, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, rate, review, subscribe, buys
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• 44:52
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• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Everyone say.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: To be superstitious, but nothing else. It's working and my
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: hand is really
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Hurting, and I'll say it's worry bout things I cantage