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Domonique Foxworth on Mike Vrabel-Dianna Russini rumors, Steelers uncertain QB future | 04.09 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Not much. Happy to be back.
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  Speaker 3: I was listening to, I think it was your last show,
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  Speaker 3: and I got a shout-out from my man at the.
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  Speaker 2: End, so I'm here. You asked, and I'm here.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, man. The streets be ready for you, dog.
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  Speaker 1: I got to tell you, I saw you on TV
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  Speaker 1: on Tuesday, and it was really funny. So for people
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  Speaker 1: who don't know what had happened on TV, it's that
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  Speaker 1: time of year where you be kind of having to
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  Speaker 1: make it work when you're producing the TV show. You
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean? So Dominique's on Get Up, and
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  Speaker 1: this is me talking. I understand that part of the
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  Speaker 1: job of morning time ESPN television is hopefully you get
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  Speaker 1: a story that you can use to dictate what's going
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  Speaker 1: down for the rest of the day, right? Like something happened,
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  Speaker 1: you can set the tone and then everybody eats. You know,
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  Speaker 1: like all we need sometimes is one person on ESPN
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  Speaker 1: to say some wild shit. Like not even wild. Dan
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  Speaker 1: Orlovsky is a very big fan of Ty Simpson. Suddenly
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  Speaker 1: we have a counterpoint. The draft gets more interesting and
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  Speaker 1: now we can carry that all the way through so
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  Speaker 1: this time the Ravens were beginning a voluntary OTA which
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  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson typically cannot bother himself with but it's a
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  Speaker 1: new coach and so the question was ooh Is Lamar
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  Speaker 1: going to show up? What's it going to say? If
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  Speaker 1: Lamar doesn't show up, get up, start at 8 o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: They like, baby, we going to eat all day, man.
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  Speaker 1: It couldn't have been no more than 8.07, 8.08. Here
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  Speaker 1: come Lamar Jackson with his hoodie that say, I love Jesus,
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  Speaker 1: showing up to work.
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  Speaker 3: And suddenly there was a lot less to talk about. Yeah, fortunately,
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't on that morning. I was on the next
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  Speaker 3: morning because there was much made of, like, the prediction
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  Speaker 3: that he wasn't going to show up and, like, the, like–
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  Speaker 3: premature analysis around what it means and he hasn't he's
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  Speaker 3: never really showed up and the funny thing is like
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  Speaker 3: Lamar's in this situation where if he if he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: show up we can do the and by we I
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  Speaker 3: mean the sports media in general play the hits you
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  Speaker 3: know same old same old not committed leadership blah blah
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  Speaker 3: blah doesn't mean he's upset with the organization maybe he'll
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  Speaker 3: never be back if he does show up we go
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  Speaker 3: the other way which admittedly Not as much meat on
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  Speaker 3: the bone.
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  Speaker 2: It'll pop. Not as much meat on the bone.
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  Speaker 3: It appears Lamar Jackson fully believes in this new staff and.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe a contract extension is on the horizon. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It does make his contract a lot less interesting because
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  Speaker 3: right now, I was looking at it the other day.
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  Speaker 3: They restructured it, which they had the right to do
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  Speaker 3: without his participation.
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  Speaker 2: But next year, the cap hit went from what it
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  Speaker 2: was supposed to be this year.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's down to 30 next year is 80 plus
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  Speaker 3: million dollars cap hit. He also has a no trade
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  Speaker 3: and a no tag clause. So he looking at this
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  Speaker 3: thing like an NBA superstar, like few NFL players get
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  Speaker 3: a chance to be like either. I like literally I'm
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  Speaker 3: a free agent, not I'm franchise tagged or not. You
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  Speaker 3: can trade me. I could either be a free agent
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  Speaker 3: or you extend.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, uh, this is actually more interesting that I
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  Speaker 1: give it a credit for what you put it in
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  Speaker 1: those charts, because I had seen them running up the
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  Speaker 1: thing about it's no guarantee money in 2027 and all
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  Speaker 1: that stuff. And the question was about whether or not
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  Speaker 1: he would be coming back to the Ravens, which I
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  Speaker 1: thought was being presented as though it was a question
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  Speaker 1: as though whether the Ravens would want him to come back,
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  Speaker 1: which to me would be preposterous. Would you like your
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  Speaker 1: two plus time MVP to come back at quarterback? And
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  Speaker 1: if I have not mistaken, he still isn't 30. Um, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think you go ahead and sign up for that one, dog.
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  Speaker 1: It does become an interesting one on the other side, though,
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  Speaker 1: that clearly Lamar is a dude who appreciates when he's
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  Speaker 1: got some leverage. That's why he ain't never been to
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  Speaker 1: one of these little play play camps that he don't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily have to go to. Like, I'm surprised he showed
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  Speaker 1: up at this one because he doesn't seem to have
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  Speaker 1: anybody in his camp whose job is to be like, hey, man,
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  Speaker 1: just go ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know you ain't
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  Speaker 1: got to do.
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  Speaker 2: It, right?
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  Speaker 1: But it'll probably be good if you just go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and do that. They don't seem to have anybody in
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  Speaker 1: Lamar and Mom LLC whose gig is to just be like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: just don't bone right quick and pull up. But if
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  Speaker 1: he can actually walk after this year, oh man, this
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  Speaker 1: is completely different.
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  Speaker 3: And honestly, if the prognosis if something goes wrong is
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  Speaker 3: that he will walk again, he'll be fine.
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  Speaker 2: Quarterbacks get hurt.
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  Speaker 3: Like what are we looking at? Aaron Rodgers still out there, man,
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  Speaker 3: coming off Achilles. Your man, I mean, Cousins is a
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  Speaker 3: different story. He's not going to be a starter, but
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  Speaker 3: he got big money after an Achilles. Like it would
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  Speaker 3: have to be something real tragic for him to no
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  Speaker 3: longer have the cash that he would have. And I
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  Speaker 3: think to your point about going and throwing a bone,
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  Speaker 3: there's nobody in his camp to do that. I think
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  Speaker 3: people in his camp look around and you know the
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  Speaker 3: type of people that need to throw somebody a bone?
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  Speaker 2: The people who ain't balling.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Throw them no bone, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm going to throw? I'm going to throw
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  Speaker 3: some touchdowns. Throw them no damn bone. I ain't coming
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  Speaker 3: to this workout. But the thing is, obviously, he has
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  Speaker 3: a team and off-season plan and whatever that he does
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  Speaker 3: all the time.
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  Speaker 2: So, like, he doesn't need this workout program.
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  Speaker 3: The only reason why you show up at this point
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  Speaker 3: of your Lamar Jackson with a new coach is that's, like–
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  Speaker 3: Let's throw them a bone. Like, it's essentially I want
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  Speaker 3: them to know that I'm all in. I want all
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  Speaker 3: the players to know. I want all the fans to know.
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  Speaker 3: The coaches, front office.
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  Speaker 2: I'm all in. I'm going to give everything I got
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  Speaker 2: this year. No hard feelings.
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  Speaker 1: Or maybe this is your opportunity to come in and
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  Speaker 1: make sure the head coach know who really in charge, right? Like,
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  Speaker 1: this is your chance to come in there like, no,
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  Speaker 1: this is how we stretch.
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  Speaker 2: The head coach know who really in charge.
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  Speaker 3: I believe that the head coach said Lamar was involved
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  Speaker 3: in the interview process. I think they know who really
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  Speaker 3: in charge around there, but Maybe you're right. He wanted
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  Speaker 3: to come in and make sure day one, the real
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  Speaker 3: ball's not gonna miss day one.
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  Speaker 1: Yo, but I thought about this too. We know so
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  Speaker 1: little about Lamar Jackson, like as person or anything else.
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  Speaker 1: And I realized this when he showed up with the
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  Speaker 1: I Love Jesus hoodie and then Fox News did a
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  Speaker 1: story on foxnews.com about him wearing that hoodie And then
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  Speaker 1: they sent a tweet out about it, a tweet that
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  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson then retweeted. And it was kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about that one, buddy. I got no
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  Speaker 1: idea what Lamar Jackson think about anything. Right. Like, remember
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  Speaker 1: that time where Trump said something about him and he
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  Speaker 1: was there something back about Trump. And then I forget
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  Speaker 1: what his response was. I was like, anything you tell
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  Speaker 1: me about this is possible. You could be a Black
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  Speaker 1: Panther or you could be a Glenn Beck's program. I
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  Speaker 1: have no idea, son. I don't know anything about you.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know if you own a suit. I
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  Speaker 1: know nothing about you.
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  Speaker 3: When I think he did a trust, a trust Trump
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  Speaker 3: tweet at one point back when they was, they was
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  Speaker 3: doing big trust in the backfield. But yeah, I think
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  Speaker 3: you're right. I not, I think you're right. We don't
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  Speaker 3: know anything about him. And I think we graphed onto
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  Speaker 3: him a lot of different things. I can speak for myself.
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  Speaker 3: Like it's a history of black quarterbacks and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Like graphed onto him a bunch of different things and
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of arguments and, and conversations and progress that.
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  Speaker 2: I ain't really thinking about it, man.
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  Speaker 3: I just want a ball to get paid. And it's like,
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  Speaker 3: for someone else, for other people, he represents so much more.
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  Speaker 3: And I think particularly because of when we do hear
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  Speaker 3: him speak and the way that he generally carries himself,
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  Speaker 3: while he's not the first black quarterback, he's the first
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  Speaker 3: quarterback that comes off and that presents himself in this way.
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  Speaker 3: He's a pioneering figure, whether he wants to accept it
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  Speaker 3: or not.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, he's the first one that we
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  Speaker 1: don't know if he got a suit.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So I remember when Cam was young and the world
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  Speaker 1: started to catch fire.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: We kind of wanted Cam or I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: we a lot of people kind of wanted Cam to
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  Speaker 1: talk about the bigger issues of the world. And Cam
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  Speaker 1: not explicitly was kind of trying to let people know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really good at that, guys. That's not, I don't, like,
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  Speaker 1: it didn't feel so great about doing that. The Panthers
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  Speaker 1: had even had him meet with Frank Luntz, the right-wing strategist,
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  Speaker 1: to try to get his talking points together, which is
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  Speaker 1: a little worrisome. But anyway, like, that's, they wanted Cam
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  Speaker 1: to talk. Now Cam talked for a living, and I
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  Speaker 1: get the feeling that y'all don't want him to do
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  Speaker 1: nearly as much. of that talking. Like you kind of
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  Speaker 1: like him to fall back. Nobody's asked Lamar Jackson to
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  Speaker 1: talk about anything. Like right now, we don't expect our
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  Speaker 1: athletes to talk about a single solitary thing at this point.
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  Speaker 1: None of them. Like we have given up on that experiment,
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  Speaker 1: which is interesting because it seemed to be making some
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  Speaker 1: progress around 2020.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I noticed that the way that you presented it,
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  Speaker 3: it's not clear where you fall on that, but I
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  Speaker 3: think Howard Bryant's book, The Prestige, which I assume you read.
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  Speaker 2: The Heritage.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, The Prestige. I'm thinking about that movie. I
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  Speaker 3: watched it with my son two weeks ago. The Heritage
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  Speaker 3: talks a bunch about how the black athlete was kind
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  Speaker 3: of the original wealthy and powerful black person. The expectation
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  Speaker 3: was there, and I think We still kind of have
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  Speaker 3: that expectation, but it feels like I'm fine with people.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell nobody to shut up and dribble,
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  Speaker 3: but if you find yourself as someone who is most
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  Speaker 3: comfortable not talking about that stuff, I think we'll the
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  Speaker 3: scary part is in part because of like social media
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  Speaker 3: and all that stuff everyone feels that their opinion should
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  Speaker 3: be like held in high regard and some people don't
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  Speaker 3: trying to say this in a way that's not insulting
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  Speaker 3: and makes it feel like I feel like I'm holier
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  Speaker 3: than thou, but some people don't read.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's not what they do, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm fine. If you don't do it, then
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  Speaker 2: don't do it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's my big thing is if you don't
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  Speaker 1: do it, don't do it, right? But don't nobody do it?
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'm a little confused, okay? So think about this.
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  Speaker 1: Trayvon Martin died 14 years ago. So let's say that
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  Speaker 1: you're a 22-year-old athlete. You're eight years old when that happened.
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  Speaker 1: You actually grew up in a time where athletes had
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  Speaker 1: things to say about the larger world. Now, we can
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  Speaker 1: raise questions about how deep the statements were or everything else,
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  Speaker 1: but they were out there. It's all gone, right? It's
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  Speaker 1: almost like the basketball is caught up to the music.
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  Speaker 1: where the music gradually, and it's weird in music, because
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  Speaker 1: music is always a space where you always expected to
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  Speaker 1: hear a little something about something larger than a personal expectation.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe this is in line, like I got an email
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  Speaker 1: the other day about the 20th anniversary of Bill Roden's book,
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  Speaker 1: The $ 40 Million Slate. And he had a chapter in
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  Speaker 1: that book where he talked about the idea of the
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  Speaker 1: conveyor belt, which is basically because the money gets a
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  Speaker 1: hold of these players so young, they are molded into
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  Speaker 1: being corporate pitchmen from such a young age that it's
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  Speaker 1: like a conveyor belt. They are handed over from person
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  Speaker 1: to person, job to job, place to place, whatever. And
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  Speaker 1: then by the time you get to the end, you
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  Speaker 1: get a socially unconscious being who only exists to sell.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe what we're seeing here is the culmination of that.
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  Speaker 1: But given that we thought the world was going to
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  Speaker 1: end on Tuesday, you would think that one of these
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  Speaker 1: cats would care about it on some level, whether I
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  Speaker 1: want to hear what they got to say or not.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: You don't even really hear it from Jalen Brown no more.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I, I honestly think that they are reacting.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that they are, and maybe they never were,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't think athletes are like civil rights leaders.
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  Speaker 1: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that a lot of the outspokenness was, um,
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  Speaker 3: a reaction to the waters that they were sitting in.
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  Speaker 3: And at the time it was something that everybody was
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  Speaker 3: doing and they had the larger platform. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: that we're looking at a time where the athlete is
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  Speaker 3: interested in or willing to be pilloried in the way
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  Speaker 3: that say Colin Kaepernick was. I think what we have
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  Speaker 3: with the athletes more than anything is like, to your point,
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  Speaker 3: it's like, all right, this is the way that the
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  Speaker 3: wind is blowing. I will amplify this message, but I'm
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  Speaker 3: not going to be the first one to stand up
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  Speaker 3: and be like, Hey guys.
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  Speaker 2: And us generally as.
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  Speaker 3: A society, as crazy as shit has gotten, we haven't
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  Speaker 3: turned up to the degree that the, the world has
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  Speaker 3: turned up.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't turned up as a society. Like we all
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  Speaker 2: protested out.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny. Cause my brother went to the protest they
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  Speaker 1: was having the other weekend and So this is what
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  Speaker 1: the athletes could say, but it's not that, which is, hey, man,
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  Speaker 1: I think that I think things have gone a little
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  Speaker 1: farther than people have been willing to bring themselves to
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  Speaker 1: appreciate and understand. You and I talk about this all
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  Speaker 1: the time, right? Like, I never want to say that
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  Speaker 1: it's at a point where there's no point in talking
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  Speaker 1: because I don't think that's ever truly the case. But
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  Speaker 1: we are. We pass that kind of march, right? Right.
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  Speaker 1: We all be out here dressed up as fucking cartoon
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  Speaker 1: characters and y'all got jokes and it makes for really
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  Speaker 1: funny stuff for you to put online. Now, the stakes
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  Speaker 1: have greatly exceeded. that method of presentation. It is real
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  Speaker 1: out here at this point. We were literally wondering if
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  Speaker 1: a nuclear war was about to break out on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, it's still on the board. Like
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  Speaker 1: they said it was a ceasefire, but you know what
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  Speaker 1: ain't ceased? Fire.
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  Speaker 5: Like, I thought that was one of those where you
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  Speaker 5: put that word with that word and we all know
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  Speaker 5: what it is.
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  Speaker 1: It's pronounced the same way the whole nine, right? No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't what it is. And there is no reflection
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  Speaker 1: of that from, and for this case, I'd count athletes
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  Speaker 1: as pop culture figures. Yeah. The world of pop culture,
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  Speaker 1: at least younger, ain't really giving nothing on this. And
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, wow, I think you guys would
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  Speaker 1: be the more scared ones.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we had, like, at the award shows, we had, like,
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  Speaker 3: some people saying, ice out. And I was like, that
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  Speaker 3: was about that. And that was the last thing we
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  Speaker 3: don't have. And, like, to your point, like, we're at
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  Speaker 3: a different place now, and it keeps amping up. Like,
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  Speaker 3: where we were on Tuesday night when there's, like, an
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  Speaker 3: apocalyptic countdown, like.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody said nothing. Nobody put up a black square. I
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  Speaker 2: miss it.
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  Speaker 3: I know we was mocking it back then, but can
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  Speaker 3: we do some colored squares or something? I live in D.C.,
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  Speaker 3: so I see a lot more protests. There were people
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  Speaker 3: out on the mall and stuff, but I think what
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  Speaker 3: comes to mind for me is that there was a
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  Speaker 3: point when the internet felt freer and social media felt
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  Speaker 3: more natural. And I think it feels more controlled and curated.
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  Speaker 3: And we're in a place now where a lot of
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  Speaker 3: organizing and amplifying and motivating takes place on these platforms.
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  Speaker 3: And if the algorithms are designed to turn those down,
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  Speaker 3: as much as we mocked the performative nature of the
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  Speaker 3: stuff online, when it starts to build up, you start
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  Speaker 3: to feel You get your muscles and you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: this is where everything is going. I want to be
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  Speaker 3: a leader of that. I want to get involved in that.
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  Speaker 3: But when something starts bubbling up and it gets tamped down,
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  Speaker 3: then we feel like nothing's actually happening.
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  Speaker 2: And we're like, don't anybody care?
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  Speaker 3: Just kind of goes and happens, and we move on,
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  Speaker 3: some new shit pops up, and some pictures pop up
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  Speaker 3: on the internet, connected to people you know, and you
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  Speaker 3: just move on.
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  Speaker 1: That's all anybody needed.
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  Speaker 2: That's all. We always looking for distractions.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: See, now you would have did the thing, right?
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: What thing?
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: The thing where now I'm like, am I going to
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: do it?
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: You know one thing I'm not worried about is Bomani
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Jones being able to artfully... Discuss something that most people
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: are scared to pick up. So I'll throw anything on
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: the table for you.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: You will. You will.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: And it's tricky. And people have seen this. It's a
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: story where page six. I am amazed by the fact
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: and like the levels at which people care about stories
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: involving sports media. But I guess when it comes with
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: an allegation that a media member is sleeping with a
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: head coach and there is pictures of them posted up
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: by the pool at a hotel that caught like.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Wildfire, wild, wild.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Wildfire everywhere. And I just looked at the pictures and.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: All I know is each of them had the same story.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: We was there with friends, and we happened to be
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: at the same place, but ain't none of the friends
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: in none of the pictures. And all I'm saying is,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: you said friends and nothing about your spouses, which is
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: how that story right there, even if it might get
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: you through in public, is not going to help you
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: out when it matters at the Ponderosa.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know, obviously. I know both of them and
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: like both of them. Braves and I go way back
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: to CBA negotiations and when Gene Upshaw died. He was
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: a guy who was a great dude. Upstanding guy. High integrity.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Diana's cool. I like her too. Everyone is great. I
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: wonder how I would have reacted if I didn't know
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: these people, but My immediate feeling was just a pit
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: in my.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Stomach, like, God, damn, this sucks for them and everybody
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: around them.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I was thinking minimally about how much it sucked for
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: them and immediately for how much it sucked for the
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: husband team. in question here, or all the parties involved
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: in question here. Again, I didn't know. The fact that
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: we as an industry or whatever are paid six worthy
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: is bananas. It is like the larger media questions get
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: to be a little bit tricky because they can veer
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: into misogyny very, very quickly. There is obviously a clearly
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: much greater judgment toward Diana in this allegation. than there
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: is toward Vrabel, though I think to be fair on
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: that one, there's a code of sorts that exists in
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Diana's line of work that this violates, that is not
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: a violation of whatever code there is in Mike Vrabel's
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: line of work, if it is as it has been alleged, right?
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I think that part is there. I just don't know how,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: if the allegation is founded, I don't know how you
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: can come back and, like, who bring you on to
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: do this job.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Again yeah i mean it seems like the athletic is
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: standing behind her but yeah you just you can't really
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: if you are an information person a reporter an insider
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: and like people believe that's the that's the really terrible
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: part about it is like whether it's true or false
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: if people believe it then you kind of lose the
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: the value that you bring to this because like you're
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: presenting yourself as someone who's just presenting the facts and
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: if people don't believe that you're that person so that's
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: the part where it's like again i don't know for
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: sure about anything i can speculate or whatever but i
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: do know next time there's some reports from her like
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: no one's The replies are going to be all jokes. No.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Well, I know this, though. If the athletic is standing
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: behind her and they did stand behind her in that
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: statement and I wasn't sure that they were going to
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: do such a thing. That means one thing. She presented
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: a compelling retort when it was brought to her by
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: the bosses. So can you tell us what's going on here?
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Whatever story she gave must have been a great one.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Cause I definitely expected a, we'll look into it. Yeah.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean, I assume that there's like all
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: types of legal ramifications for those decisions that are made,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: but if we could get off of them specifically for
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: a second, just the idea of anyone going on a
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: vacation with, someone that is not their spouse that's the
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: shit that's crazy to me what i don't understand is
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: why i want to like.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Play house like i have a house that's.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: The shit that get me and uh yeah it's not
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: about them just generally it popped into my mind like
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: i don't know i i cheating happens but having a
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: whole like Side relationship sounds tiresome.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: It seems like a bandwidth drain. But I will say
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: this for Mike Vrabel. I tell you who he ain't
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: about to hear nothing about this from. Bob Craft. I
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: wish you would try to tell me something about this. Oh, y'all,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: so what you telling me? I should just go get
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: a massage. That's what I thought. That's what I... Sit
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: your old ass down.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean... Not that he was going to
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: hear anything anyway.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Like, if he just was like, yeah, I got 13 girlfriends,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: how many games are we winning?
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: It's the way it works.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: But you actually made a good point here, because I'm
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: with you. The idea that you are carrying on a
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: whole side situation, right? Like, that is a significant expenditure
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: of effort. And let us not forget, man, we are
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: in a world where people got two families, bruh. I've
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: heard that before.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: That just sounds.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Well, actually, I know people who have experienced something like that.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: That don't make sense to me in this day and age,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: how you can pull that move off.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Well, well, well, the answer is baseball.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: You can pull it off in baseball, right? You go
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: do spring training wherever it is for all of that time.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: You can have one base set up there, then the
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: other base that's in the other spot, and everybody understands, well, hey,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I do these months over here. I do these months
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: over here.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: You keep the kids in school here. That'll be fine.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I'm going to come holler back at you when we
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: come back on the other side. You understand what I'm saying?
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: It sounds expensive. It sounds exhausting. And if you're going
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: to have two families, it implies that you're actually trying
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: to manage the relationships and emotions of two spouses, which is,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, one spouse is, one might argue, more work
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: than one man can handle.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: And then the kids on top of it. That is
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: really hard to try to be that.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: You're not being a good spouse or parent to somebody
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: or to everybody.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: And also, like, this might just be me, but the
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: best thing.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: About work travel is, I ain't got to worry about nobody.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: I got to make a call, tell people goodnight, remind
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: them of homework, tell people I love them, and then
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: I can go to dinner with Ramone Jones in New
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: York and then go to sleep. I can't imagine being
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: on a work trip doing all the same stuff.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Like I am.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Yo, especially because this ain't the old days, right? The
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: old days where you leave the house for a week.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: At some point, perhaps you'll hear from me. Ugh. But
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: there was no obligation that you hear from anybody every
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: day or on any sort of demand.
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Like, if you got two of them, that's like you
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: have a foe of them back in the day.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: This also just reminds me of, like, whatever privilege, I
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: don't know if that's the word that we still use,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: but whatever privilege that we get from being a man, like, how...
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Stark it was back then and how it still exists
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: is like, because you were the only one that had
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: any like realistic way of, of generating money yes like
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: they knew what was up what would they gonna do
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: go get a job or.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Go get a bank account yeah you can't even on
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: the board.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: That's that's mind-blowing to me like it's just like the
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: idea that there's a full and i know that there
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: are other countries in the world where it exists even
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: worse than this but the idea that a full-grown.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Adult has no recourse No recourse.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: She caught me. I heard you got a family in
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: another city. I know that you going over there with
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Latoya and you raising her kids.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Okay. What you going to do?
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Pick your next move. Either leave or live with it. Exactly.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: And if there were, and I know like the 1950s
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: television shows depict these dads as being great dads and
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: fathers and employees.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Those dudes are the best. They just looked at this world.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: It could just be whatever they wanted. It was like, no,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be good.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Yo, I was thinking about this. You know, you get older.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: The world is what it is. Cats tell you what
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: they do and don't do or whatever. But you have
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: these situations with these dudes that talk about being out
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: all night and then coming back home. And my thought
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: always was, well, what are you saying when you get
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: back home? Like, what story could you possibly have to
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: explain this when you get back home? And little did
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I know, the answer was, what story? I'm going to
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: just walk in.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Because you.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: suspect that they respect that person as a full adult peer. Like,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: could you imagine if I walked in my house at
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: 1 o'clock and my kids was like, where you been?
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I ain't where I been.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Like, that's the same thing that they're like, you come
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: in the house and your wife is like, where you been?
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: And they just like, where I been? Whatever the fuck
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I want to be.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: In my skin.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's... Yeah, I... Yeah, that's the thing.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Hey, look, apparently that is not the dynamic for either
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: of these two people as their response to this was,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: let me tell you what happened. Like, there's nobody involved
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: in this situation that believed that they could just dictate
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: what's going down.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: There was a story. Brother, somebody sent me an AI
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: workup of them like they was at that Coldplay concert.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Sheesh.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm going to tell you, I don't think
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: No matter what happened, I don't think either of them
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: thought that they was famous enough that somebody would be
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: taking a picture of them at some hotel in Arizona
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: and sending it off to the newspaper.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: But the pictures alone is supposed to be the damning evidence.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I feel like the pictures.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Are explainable. The hard part is then all the other
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: context around it.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Well, the pictures are explainable depending upon whom you are
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: trying to explain what. And I say that to say,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: explain to your wife the interlocking handhold.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: This one right here. Explain that one.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: That's a tough one.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Like, that's the one that you go, like, that's like
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: when Bobby Petrino got caught up, and no matter what happened,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: the part that he couldn't explain was why she was
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: on your motorcycle.
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: Like, no matter what deniability that you had, no matter
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: any story that you came up with, end of the day,
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: you got that little young thang on the back of
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: your motorcycle.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Riddle me that, big dog.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Like, I'm just trying to think. Of course, like, I
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: have lots of friends and lots of people to work with. Like,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: hugs are not uncommon. Like, you catch... And we travel
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: for work. So, like, I'm at Super Bowl at a
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: hotel with... Yeah. You just interlocking them fingers. I don't...
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: That's all I'm asking. It's the little things, man. It's
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: the little things. Because somebody snap a picture of me
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: hugging somebody at a pool.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh, yeah.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I saw.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I ain't seen her in a year. I saw her
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: at the thing. I hugged her. Oh, you guys... Chairs
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: was next to each other. Like, yeah, we was talking.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: It was cool. All of that. Yeah.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Y'all sitting at dinner with your hands up, tapping fingertips
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: like this.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Jesus, tough, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> Like,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: the question is this. Would you do that with your cousin?
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Because if the answer is no.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: Then the story immediately falls apart, right?
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Like, you could have an arm around situation, but you
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: know what? That arm around, that woman knows your wife.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Like you have taken the work and effort to introduce
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: that woman to your wife with an understanding that I
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: need to establish some measure of peace in this. Because
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: to be that close to you, she has to love
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: your wife. Otherwise, this is not allowed, right?
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, unwritten rules. That's so nice of you right now. Yes,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: you know what?
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: You were right. Because I was terrified that this topic
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: might come up and what I might do with it.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: But you're right. I think I figured out how to
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: discuss this without ruining any of our relationships or ruining
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: anything that's going on with our lives, which is good
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: because I think they might, at least one of them,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: have ruined their careers.
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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• 32:03
  Speaker 1: All right, we are back with Dominique Foxworth. I guess
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: you're going to be in Pittsburgh pretty soon for the
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: NFL draft.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to drive up. Me and
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Charlie are going to road trip it. Oh, really? Yeah,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: I was thinking, like, go to the airport, fly to Pittsburgh.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: It's like a four-hour drive. It ain't too bad.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: We ride up, me and Charlie get real close.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying you're going to learn a lot
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: about each other. You know what I'm saying?
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Put this relationship to the test.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Hey, man, Pittsburgh's shutting down for the draft. Boy, they
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: cancel the schools and everything.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, they got to. Make it easier.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: I'm on board with it. Them kids ain't going to
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: learn nothing that day. Get them out the streets. Make
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: it safe. Make it easier for me to get about.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: One day in school, we took a year off of school.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Everybody learned from home a few years ago. Y'all can
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: take a day off.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: You'll be all right.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I tell you this, though. You made a very innocent
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: point earlier that I completely lost track of. I still
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: have no idea what the Steelers are going to do
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: at quarterback, and it still might be starting Aaron Rodgers. Like,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: I feel like you got the room to walk in
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: and tell Aaron Rodgers, like, yo, make a move.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: They don't want to, though.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Steelers make it real hard for me
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: because I've kind of staked out this very aggressive anti-tanking position.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: But I have to be sure that people understand that
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: extremes on either end are bad. I'm not saying you
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: can't have a plan for the future. They approach every
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: season like it's the last season. There's no season after
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: this one, which I respect and appreciate. And it's made
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: them somewhat competitive, but not really for a long time.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: But yeah, they got to figure out some sort of
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: transition there, man.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, Aaron Rodgers could never be the answer. And
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I just don't think you can operate with the... Aaron
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Rodgers last year wasn't good enough. I think that's fair
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: to say? Yeah. There's no reason to assume he'll be
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: as good next year as he was last year. That's
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: just not how things work. So why are we like,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: why in the world are you doing this? Why weren't
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: you the ones to go get Malik Willis or something, right?
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: There's gotta be a quarterback somewhere. It would have been
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: okay with me if they went and got Kirk Cousins
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: compared to the, I mean, I still think that, I
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: think he's a good idea for what they're doing with
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: the Raiders, but I can't, I just can't imagine how
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: they got themselves stuck in this place that they're in.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: And by the way, which makes you look at Mike
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Tomlin and be like, okay, maybe it wasn't on you.
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think the, The argument for the Steelers
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: bringing Aaron Rodgers back is we have a very expensive
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: and talented defense that underachieved. I think you could make
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: the argument that, and I was like making this, when
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: we were going through all these preseason months last year
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: and we needed something to talk about and new ways
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: to spend this same conversation, was like, look, Aaron Rodgers
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: wasn't good enough in New York.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: However, Aaron Rodgers is good.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: A legitimate starting quarterback, if all they need him to
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: do is like be to make one special throw a game,
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: they might do well because their defense is so good.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: The problem is their defense was not that good. So
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: that's the argument. It's like, look, we bring him back all,
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: but then you end up with the same thing where
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: it's like their defense is already old. There's no reason
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: to believe that that old defense is suddenly going to
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: be better this year than they were last year. But
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: that's the only argument is like, we're really close.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: As our core.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: And if we go to a young quarterback, then we
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: might as well blow this whole thing up because everyone
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: else is kind of old too.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: But like, and they're not the only team that's in
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: this place, Arizona. I don't understand what you guys are
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: doing here. Like, you don't, especially Arizona who said, no,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: we'll take a 30 something million dollar cap hit to
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: tell our quarterback to leave. Well, who's your quarterback? Good question. Now,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: you know, when you put it like that, Tough call.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: What are you doing?
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: They don't want Kyler back because he might win too
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: many games.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: This is our chance. Yeah, that's it.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: It's like we know that we don't want Kyler long term,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: long term. So if we're going to be here with
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: him long term, then that's cool.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: We'll bring him back.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: We don't want him here long term for whatever number
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: of reasons. So why are we going to bring him
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: back in so he can win three or four games
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: for us that we don't expect to win? We end
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: up with seven, eight wins, and we.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Don't have our choice of quarterback. I think that's pretty clear.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: The cap hit, I mean, the dead money don't matter
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: if you're not trying to win.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Dead money help you if you're trying to lose.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I think that's all fair. I'm just like, you don't
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: have a quarterback, but you did have a quarterback. Just
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: lands a little funny, right? But that's better than being
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: the Browns that have a million quarterbacks, except they don't.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: They don't have a quarterback. The owner has said that
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: it's possible that Deshaun Watson could be the starter, and
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: everybody recalled, and I'm like, but it is.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: I don't understand why everybody was so mortified by this idea.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Shadur was bad last year. Like, this is not.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I am amazed at the ways in which people try
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: to talk themselves into he was anything other than bad
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: last year. Like 10 interceptions for the number of games
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: that he played in this NFL is almost like throwing
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: 30 over 16 back in the day. Like, yes, Deshaun
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Watson could Hawaii 5'9. He could wind up being the starter.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: The reason why Deshaun Watson as a starter doesn't make
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: sense to me, while I agree with you it's possible,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: The Browns aren't, even though they haven't been very successful,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: like their decisions been pretty sound with the exception of
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: the one. Like a lot of their roster construction decisions
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: were pretty sound, except for the one where Jimmy Haslam
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: came in and was.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Like, let's get Deshaun Watson a huge contract.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: But it doesn't make sense because if Deshaun Watson plays well,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: he's on the last year of his deal.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: If he plays well, what you going to do? Pay him?
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Like you going to pay him again?
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Like, that one doesn't make sense.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: It's almost like they haven't looked at the end of
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: the calendar or looked at his contract, which is why
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: I think that maybe that they just saying that nonsense. Like,
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: maybe he'll play some, but they really going to put
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Gabriel and Sanders out there and give them a shot
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: to lose a bunch of games so they can get
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: a quarterback next year or give them a shot to
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: prove themselves.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Hey, man, Todd Munkin, those of you who don't know
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: this story. Todd Munkin is the new head coach of
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns. And every year at the owner's meeting,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: they take a group picture with the coaches. And Todd
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Munkin missed the picture because Todd Munkin had gone to
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: get a haircut for the picture. And he was not
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: there in time for the picture. Now, I have said,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I am sure that there is a wide receiver or
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: two on his roster who could absolutely relate. to deciding
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: that the haircut for the picture is actually more important
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: than the picture itself. My concern for Todd Munkin, I
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: don't know how important it is for him to be
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: an NFL head coach, but if it is, I would
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: think that you would want as many mementos as you
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: could possibly get. And I would not assume that you'll
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: just be able to take a picture next year.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, did David Culley miss his opportunity? Was he
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: getting to shape up when he got his picture taken?
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I hope not. I hope young David Culley was, oh,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: not young. Old David Culley.
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: David Culley showed up already ready for that shit. David Culley,
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: remind me. Remember that brother they made.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: The Senator? in Illinois.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's like, hey, they'll be calling me Senator
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: for the rest of my life.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just go ahead and give me them two weeks.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Put my name on there.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: My pension just went to a whole nother level.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Grand opening, grand closing. But yeah, I was surprised that
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Todd Munkin didn't make it. Also, like, this is like
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: a part of the culture that I don't know, but
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Don't white haircuts last longer? Like, why are you getting
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: a haircut at the event? Don't you get that before
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: you come?
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: That's how you know he really cared about this picture, man. Like,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: he just wanted to be, he really wanted to be
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: sharp with it, right? Like, this was a big thing
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: for him.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: But don't they say, like, this is something I've always
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: heard white guys say, is that the haircut is best
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: a week after you get the haircut, right?
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: It's not like us where day one- I got my
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: hair cut the morning of my wedding because I wanted
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: it to be extra sharp. They planned a week out,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: I thought. It just seemed like.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: So you're saying Mike Vrabel got his hair cut 10
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: days before the owner's meeting because he really needed it
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: to be right that weekend before?
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: For the pictures.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: To hang out with the homies at the hotel in Arizona.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: I thought we was done with this.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I thought we was done.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: I had walked away. And then I started to wonder.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: So when did Mike Frable get his haircut? Or do
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: he even worry, right? He just gorilla with it. He
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: just show up as he show up. He might not
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: even get a shower.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, he gives off that vibe. He's like gives
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: off hockey player. dirty offensive lineman. I am what I am,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: kind of like a bear vibe.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I will say I remember this. When that year was
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: that Mike Vrabel didn't get a job, Diana had reported
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: that she had dinner with somebody at the senior bowl
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: and the general manager was like, well, he don't get
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: no job because he's such a big intimidating man and
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: my immediate thought was wow that unnamed source named Mike
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Vrabel just offered his theory as to why Mike Vrabel
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: because who else would say such a thing.
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: Then it turned out that she came with a report
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: that said actually Vrabel was hot because Vrabel thought that
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: she was calling him fat And so she had to
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: walk it back because Vrabel thought that Diana was reporting
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: that Vrabel was fat. And that's why the coaches didn't
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: want to hire him as a coach.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you, boy, the internet actually had been
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: on this hypothesis for quite a while before this actually
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: came out. I was shocked how many regular people had
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: theories on this.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: I thought the too intimidating to hire was the domain
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: of the black man. i didn't realize that mike bravo
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: was bringing that that heat also is that you could
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: also be too intimidating to hide.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Like i i've heard plenty of guys.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Tell me that something ain't work out like black i
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: thought i was gonna rob.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: The place maybe also you ain't got no.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Degree hey look as as diana said at the time
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: on the part of my take podcast his hands are
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: the size.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Of your head But y'all believe, man.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Mike Ray was a big dude, man.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: He is.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: He's a very large man who.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Man, this is.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: This is wild.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: It is, man.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: That's all I got.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: I believe their stories, and I hope that the truth
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: comes out and that they are exonerated of the allegations.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, man, people around them believe... Her bosses believe
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: this story. So what we are discussing here is a
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: wild story.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Unfounded allegations.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Allegations that we have no confirmation of, but allegations that
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: I am glad that I don't have to explain to
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: anybody else.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: You. I can't imagine. At least the kids is young, man.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: You know, like you got to hit this one with a,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I've said what I've said. I have nothing more to
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: say on this matter.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, God, man. That pit's still there, man. I still
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: feel terrible. It would be awful. Oh, I feel terrible.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: It would be awful.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: By the way, draft talk. There we go.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Draft talk.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Fernando Mendoza. And I'm sending a shout
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: out to him because he going to watch the draft
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: at the crib. I don't know why more guys don't
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: do that. I would much rather. I think I would
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: much rather watch the draft at the crib with the homies. Now,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: it's a little tricky if you try to get some
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: homies out of your life. Yeah. then you can't really
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: do it at the crib. Or you got to be careful.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I think it was Ha Ha Clinton Dix. You can
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: look at the picture of him watching the draft at
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: the crib and somebody left something on the couch.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: A little party favor.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't remember that. But yeah, good for Ha Ha.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: He was ready.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: He was ready to celebrate.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: The one thing about, I guess it depends on who
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: you are and what you're into.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, hold on right fast. According to Google Gemini, it
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: is false that HaHa Clinton Diggs had a joint next
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: to him in a photo shortly before the 2014 draft.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I tell you this, it looked just like a joint.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: The night, it's a big moment, man. So I guess
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: it depends on how you want to celebrate. Do you
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: want to have a family celebration because the year the
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: draft was in Vegas?
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Pretty good place to be after you just became a
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: first-round draft pick.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Now, that is true. If it was in Vegas, yeah,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I'm probably pulling up to the draft. Look what I
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: just sent you, by the way. I'm probably pulling up.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: But otherwise, like, I love Joe Thomas when he got drafted.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: He knew who was going to draft him. Him and
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: his daddy just went fishing, right? Like, I imagine, Dominique,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I know you went through this because you waited so long.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: You ain't waited a long time to get drafted, but
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: you waited long enough that a white man got drafted
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: to play quarter before you. and I know that had
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: to be tough. There's no need to sit around, man.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: They'll call you when you get drafted. They'll let you know.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can't. So, yeah, that definitely looks like
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: what it looks like. But the.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: You can't ignore it man like the thing is they'll
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: call you but everybody knows on so it's on like
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: it's not like you could just pretend like it's not
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: happening so yeah i i remember i wasn't invited to
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: draft of course i think i was 96 pick 96
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: just to be clear no i don't wait around it's
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: not a high pick when you waiting around all day
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: and people at your house i'll have you know that
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: is a very low pick at that.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Point was they in there saying dumb shit.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: To you No, it's because they knew better.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Everyone was trying to pretend like they were just there
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: for a party. No one expected me to go in
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: the first round. Once we got through the second round,
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: it was like, people stopped paying attention. Then we get
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: to late in the third. That's when we all just
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: pretended like nothing was happening. And praise be that the
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Broncos gave me a call. Because if I had to
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: wait another day, that was back when first, second, and
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: third were all on the same day. If I had
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: to wait another day, that'd have been real rough. Don't
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: come back over.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: By the way, HaHa said he was in a crowded restaurant,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: which has absolutely nothing to do with.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: All you got is what? All you got is what
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: it what? Icy shit about.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: What it was. I believe him. It happens all the time.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: There are joints laying on booths and crowded restaurants every day.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I see it. I trust him.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Hey, look, man. I'm looking at him like, this actually
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: made you a little cooler with me. You know what
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I'm saying? This is not disqualified. I guess you don't
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: want to have to go pee tomorrow morning. That... That
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: part I can understand.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: It's a different time in the NFL in general and
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: the way they felt about those things.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: You remember, obviously, the Laramie Tunsil thing.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: If that happened, he would not slide down the draft
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: board in the way that he did where he had
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: that gas mask full of weed.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Yo, he had the gas mask full of weed, and
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: then he got out there talking about how he'd be
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: getting paid.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. I forgot about that.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: He did. Yeah, he had a wild draft night. Like,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: whoever it was who did that to him was foul.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty bad. Somebody was, like, trying to blackmail him, right? Yes.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Which is, that's the thing about the blackmail.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: It's like, it's, we all gonna lose, but either you
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: pay me, Well, we all going to lose because he
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: definitely ain't pay you.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: After you put it out.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: No, no. You've lost all your leverage.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: Like you hold it on until he signed a contract
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: and say I'm embarrassed.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: And also offensive linemen, generally speaking, are good dudes.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Defensive linemen. Rolling the dice. Offensive linemen, generally speaking, good.
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: Dudes, right?
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: Like you out here trying to blackmail somebody that people like.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: I ain't been in a locker room as much as
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: I was at one point, but. The archetypes of positions,
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: that was the realest thing ever. I could pick you out.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: I could tell exactly what position you played in high
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: school based on the way that you carried yourself. I
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: don't know if it stands up today, but you're right.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: There's a very different way the way defensive players, defensive
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: linemen in particular, carry themselves. And cornerbacks, we're going to
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: be the loudest in every room, as many dials. as
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: you can find. The guys who draw the most attention,
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: very much cornerbacks, even higher than receivers.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, quarterbacks and receivers, same thing in common. Most
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: of y'all ran track.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I didn't. I should have.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, inexplicably, right? Like that is,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: but like that track behavior coming there, offensive linemen over
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: there playing Sudoku. You know what I'm saying? They a
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: different bunch of cats.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: They always fishing and hunting. That's the very different vibe.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: They pride themselves on how poorly dressed they are. That's
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: a point of pride. Don't tell them they look nice.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: Their feelings will be hurt.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Those are only the closest to a nerd position group.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: If Jonathan Ogden had wide receiver talent, I'm not sure
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Ogden turns into an NFL wide receiver. Nah.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: And to be clear, Johnson Ogden, kind of has athletic.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: That big motherfucker move, man.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: He's unreal.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: We got an episode coming up with Nate Tice about
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: the 2011 draft and somehow we wind up talking about Ogden.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: And Ogden, the notion or idea of Ogden, who they
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: drafted the same draft as Ray Lewis.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: The same round.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: That's Ozzy's first draft as a GM for the first
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: year of the Baltimore Ravens.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Yes. There's an argument that Ray Lewis was not the
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: best player that they took in the first round that year.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: And that's not at all shade to Ray Lewis. That's
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: just how cold Ogden was.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: He was the second one taken. They had a choice.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: They're like, who we want more?
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Bad guy i'd say they were right the best ogden
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: story this guy named josh lux he wrote this tell-all
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: book as an agent that seemed kind of like salacious
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: at the time but now probably goes back and reads
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: as prophetic and so one of the things that he
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: talked about was like how you recruited players and so
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: you'd be out you'd meet them or whatever and you
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: know you just do a lot of things to try
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: to woo them and sway them and so one thing
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: that he did was he was trying to get jonathan
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: ogden's And so he got front row tickets to a
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Janet Jackson concert for Jonathan Ogden. Now, have you ever
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: been to a Janet Jackson concert?
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: No, but I mean, I've seen the videos.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: So I went to a Janet Jackson concert once, and
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: it is a very interesting breakdown of who the people
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: are who attend a Janet Jackson concert. You have straight
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: women with their homegirls, right? You have straight women with
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: their dates, right? There's Janet Jackson fans. You have not
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: straight women and that goes all kinds of directions and
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: the gay dudes who are there. But there's another interesting
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: group that doesn't really have a place or a role,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: which is straight men who don't have girlfriends, but really
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: love Janet Jackson. Perhaps it's because you love Janet Jackson's
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: music or it's just because Janet Jackson. Anyway, Josh Lux.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: in his book, said he took Jonathan Ogden to the
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Janet Jackson concert and that Jonathan Ogden was down there,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: front row, singing those songs at the top of his lungs.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Come on, baby, let's get away. And it's 20-something-year-old Ogden.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: It's college Ogden, a big old 6'9, dancing bear of
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: a dork, singing Jenny Jackson songs at the top of
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: his lungs, and I need the footage.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, the poor people who were behind him. Oh,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: my God.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: You are excited about your third row seats at the
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Janet Jackson concert.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Yes. It is like obstructive view.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Yes. But you know what, though? You Jonathan Ogden, put
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: a little mama up on your shoulder. I bet she'd
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: love it.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Probably. But that is even more obstructive view for the
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: people behind you. You can't go nowhere at 6'9.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: He could have put four of them. on his shoulders
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: if he wanted to.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: I sent you that picture. I assume you've seen it
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: before of Jonathan. Yeah, he went to high school around here.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: Charlie Kravitz. Yeah, but the same school as Charlie Kravitz,
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: and it's a picture of Jonathan Ogden playing O-line.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: This is my favorite picture of all time, and it is,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: to me, a friendly reminder. Changing schools to play football... Eh,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's that necessary, right? What you
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: need to be is big and fast. And if you're
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: big and fast, we'll.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Work it out.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Because Jonathan Ogden was out there playing against the future
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: diplomats of America in high school.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: The school is a private school that is... And the
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: funny thing is, the league has gotten a lot more
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: aggressive about recruiting football players. And my daughter's school is
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: in that league.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: They left it.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: From a football standpoint, because it's a small school that's
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: like very academic focused and they put effort into like
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: recruiting basketball players, but they can't put together a football
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: team where the kids won't, won't like get hurt because
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: it's a small school and it's really hard to find
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: enough big dudes at a small school that is very
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: competitive academically that somebody won't get hurt.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: So they got to schedule their own games. They don't
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: really got like a legitimate football team.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: They need to be glad Ogden was a nice guy. Right?
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Because a different personality type.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Are we sure that some people ain't have to pay?
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: I'm sure.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I'm sure somebody paid, but I bet he apologized.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: I'm guessing that some people ain't show up either. I
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: wouldn't put my kids out there.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Like, was this time for us to study film?
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah i'm like good you can win that game we're
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: not this ain't college we don't need the money to
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: go get beat up by lsu so that we can
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: fund this program coach.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: I forgot to tell you this i don't know if
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: you knew this but i'm actually an orthodox jew just
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: this weekend once the sun goes down yeah i just
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: i just pledged like i just crossed last week Right?
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: You know, I just started, don't you see me wearing
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: the colors?
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Do you not see this hat?
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: So things are going to be a little different. And
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: once the sun go down, I can't be out there
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: messing with Jonathan. I mean, I got to go inside.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I'm spraining my ankle on the opening kickoff.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: That's the other part, too. He was probably in there
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: playing defensive tackle. not fair.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: It's impossible.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: He was 6'9 in high school at 300 pounds and
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: more athletic than everybody. That's just not fair. To your point,
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: football is one of those games. It's not like these
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: other ones. Even in wrestling, you can only get hurt
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: so badly.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Football, we keep going. You keep doing it. It's like...
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: You just keep playing. It's just not fair.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Wrestling, if he really big and strong, he gonna pin me.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: It's over. In three seconds. Football, they keep putting these
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: kids back out.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: There against somebody who they just don't belong up against.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: It just don't work.
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: Dominique Fosworth. Check him out on the Dominique Fosworth show.
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: I can't go back and talk about that other thing again.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: I just need to protect us in this show right now.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Check him out on the Dominique Foster Show, available for
• 56:46
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• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 56:51
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