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459: Starfleet Academy Cancelled! No new deal for Kurtzman, yet. What's next for Star Trek? · Star Trek Podcast: Trekcast

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  Speaker 1: The Galaxy's Most Unpredictable Star Trek podcast, Live from studios
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  Speaker 1: in Michigan and Idaho.
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  Speaker 2: This is Trek Cast, the Galaxy's Most Unpredictable Star Trek podcast. Today,
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  Speaker 2: on the show, we're going to talk about the fall
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  Speaker 2: of Star Starfleet Academy.
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  Speaker 3: Oh so not the season, the fall all right, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking about autumn a right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the fall. Plus we've got Star Trek News and
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  Speaker 2: your listener feedback. I am Scott Bouchers and now he
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  Speaker 2: just got back from getting his own emotional support targ
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  Speaker 2: It's Daniel Reyes.
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  Speaker 3: That's right. That's right, my emotional support targu Jeffrey.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's good times. Are you doing man, I'm I'm
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  Speaker 2: doing great. I'm doing great. Lots of lots of news
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  Speaker 2: surrounding Star Treks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, basically one big story.
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  Speaker 2: One giant news story, which is what we're doing the
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  Speaker 2: show about today. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Basically the show today is going to be about the
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  Speaker 3: the cancelation and fallout after, or the cancelation of of
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  Speaker 3: Stirfleet Academy and the fallout thereafter. There's a lot going on.
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  Speaker 3: It's not just the cancelation. There's also the fact that
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  Speaker 3: Alex Kurtzman his deal to be the head guy of
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  Speaker 3: of Star Trek. That deal is up by the end
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  Speaker 3: of this year, so as far as we know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Dan was so distraught about it. He's so
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  Speaker 2: emotionally just devastated. He couldn't even make the podcast today.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed, indeed, yes, he's prayers guys.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, he's recovering emotionally from this devastating news.
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  Speaker 3: So, yes, he'll be back next time, but inconsolable.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: So hopefully Dan Dan remembers one thing though, Daddy's help
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  Speaker 3: you feel good? God, Yeah, you know, as he cries.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's gonna be okay, Dan.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, it's gonna be okay, It will be okay.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, how you babe.
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  Speaker 2: Man, I'm doing good. I'm doing good. Yeah, family is good.
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  Speaker 2: You know. Spring is in the air. So we were
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  Speaker 2: outside yesterday doing a little bit of yard stuff. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna be out today doing a little bit of yard stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I'm seeing some motorcycles out there, so that's that's my
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  Speaker 2: that's my cueue to go change the oil the oil
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  Speaker 2: in my Harley. So I'm going to be doing that
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  Speaker 2: this week. And yeah, I get get the room room out.
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  Speaker 3: Nice. They are out in full forest right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah here. Yeah, because bike riders, you know, we all winter,
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  Speaker 2: We're just like jones in to get on our bikes
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  Speaker 2: and then you know, we get this first like sixty
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  Speaker 2: seventy degree weekend. People are like, you know, they siphoned
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  Speaker 2: their gas out of their snowblowers.
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  Speaker 3: There's there's a there's a little bar not too far
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  Speaker 3: from my house. It's called Cruisers, and uh, you can
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  Speaker 3: ride your motorcycle into the bar.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah really, I've never heard of such a thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so I didn't know if that was like
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  Speaker 3: a common thing or not.
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  Speaker 2: So I've never seen such a thing riding right into
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  Speaker 2: the bar. Huh. Yeah. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: They've got tables designed that you can pull your bike
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  Speaker 3: right up to it and like just be at.
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  Speaker 2: The table and sit on your bike. Yeah that's outstanding. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I gotta go. I got this is near you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like like five ten minutes from my house.
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  Speaker 2: I gotta come to Idaho.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, co Cruisers Biker Bar.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I'll we'll have to check that out sometimes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. I know people that hang out.
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  Speaker 2: There all the time and they look good, cool, cool. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The bike culture is you know a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: have this this misconception about the bike culture. You know,
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  Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of the riders that I come across
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  Speaker 2: are just nice dudes. Yeah, you know, and if you
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  Speaker 2: ever see a pack of riders, like, if you ever
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  Speaker 2: see like a group of ten or twenty or thirty riders, uh,
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  Speaker 2: there's a ninety nine point nine nine percent chance that
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  Speaker 2: they are doing a charity ride, or they're doing a
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  Speaker 2: funeral ride, or they're doing a burn camp raising money
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  Speaker 2: for that kind of thing. So yeah, if you ever
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  Speaker 2: see a giant group of riders, they it's it's not
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  Speaker 2: like in the movies, you know, it's right, it's I
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  Speaker 2: you know. One of the things that that I've heard
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  Speaker 2: too is like, you know, if if if you if
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  Speaker 2: you're a kid, if you're a little kid and you
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  Speaker 2: get lost and you see a big burley biker, go
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  Speaker 2: up to that big burley biker and ask them for help, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they will one help you.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely. Well most of them are like either
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  Speaker 3: former or current law enforcement or military military. Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so they're prone to want to help, which is great.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, So all right, well there's my PSA for
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  Speaker 2: bike riders.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see h D Jammers as Hi guys D jammers
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  Speaker 3: and then uh, let's see the Trek reviewer. But the
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  Speaker 3: Wicked Witch rode a bike. Uh like a bicycle, I thought,
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  Speaker 3: not a motorcycle.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, yeah, that rebinds. That reminds me of
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  Speaker 2: that old Yellow Pages commercial where the guy shows up
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  Speaker 2: at a ted speed. It says bike rally and he
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  Speaker 2: shows up at a ted speed and then a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of Harley riders show up and they like kind of
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  Speaker 2: add him on the helmet and it said the tagline
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  Speaker 2: is phone first.
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  Speaker 3: The the the the amount that you dated yourself with
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  Speaker 3: the I know, Yellow Pages commercial.
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  Speaker 2: Phone first.
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  Speaker 3: I've never seen this commercial.
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  Speaker 2: I'll put a link to it. I have seen that YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: I'll put a link to it. The cast Facebook group.
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  Speaker 3: All right, well see, and that's a good reason guys
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  Speaker 3: to join our Facebook group and our social media's crazy
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  Speaker 3: stuff like that happens all the time. So you definitely
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  Speaker 3: want to be part of that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy, okay, so do we want to get into
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  Speaker 2: this what's going on? You got all the all the crazy.
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  Speaker 3: We're definitely gonna be talking about it. And I don't
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  Speaker 3: know how much longer I'll be able to use this
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  Speaker 3: sound effect, but so I'm going to use it. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: that's our sound effect with stir Fleet Academy.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I don't I don't want to talk about this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I want to change the subject. Can we talk about
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  Speaker 2: your haircut?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a pretty bad haircut.
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  Speaker 2: I think it looks great.
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  Speaker 3: It looks like a Manchi gie man. They left me,
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  Speaker 3: they left me looking looking pretty rough.
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy, all right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So all right, So, like I said, we
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  Speaker 3: don't have a a news segment. This is more of
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  Speaker 3: the main topic. So we're going to talk about the cancelation,
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  Speaker 3: the fallout up thereof and and where we're at right
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  Speaker 3: now with Stargic. So here we go. Let's get right
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  Speaker 3: to our main topic.
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  Speaker 4: Fun will now comment.
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  Speaker 3: All right, So, if you did not hear the news
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  Speaker 3: earlier this week, Variety reported that Starfleet Academy was to
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  Speaker 3: end after its second season. You know, the second season
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  Speaker 3: has already been shot. They are now in the process
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  Speaker 3: of editing it. So yeah, so Starfid Academy will have
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  Speaker 3: only ten more episodes and then it's over. The news
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  Speaker 3: on this came out on let's see March twenty third,
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  Speaker 3: so what just six days ago? And the it's really
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  Speaker 3: interesting that they let this slip so early, especially right
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  Speaker 3: after the first season, like literally like a week or
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  Speaker 3: two after the first season ended.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you, if you know about about TV and
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  Speaker 3: viewing patterns and everything, you generally do not say that
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  Speaker 3: a show has ended before it airs, because most viewers
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  Speaker 3: will not watch that show then because they think, what's
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  Speaker 3: the point in investing in it right? Point in watching it?
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  Speaker 2: Right? So we're certainly not going to attract any new viewers.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody's gonna be like, oh, maybe I'll go watch the
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  Speaker 2: Starfleet Academy and see what it's all about. Now they
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  Speaker 2: already canceled it, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, perfect, I'm gonna watch it now. No, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 3: the thing. The the article sites that the big problem
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  Speaker 3: with Academy was the lack of viewership. It had failed
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  Speaker 3: to make the top ten of the Nielsen ratings for
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  Speaker 3: streaming shows. It never cracked that.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And they even did a bit where remember the first episode,
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  Speaker 3: they released two episodes, right, Oh, snap, there's an intruder alert.
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  Speaker 3: Hold on, I think he's getting situated. Hold on, but
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  Speaker 3: intruder alert here we go. Bring him in. There he
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  Speaker 3: is look at all snazzy on his way to church.
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  Speaker 5: That's right, well, Space Louis, No, hey.
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  Speaker 3: Audi, oh we lost him? Oh there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Section thirty one cut them off.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they cut him off that section for us. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's interesting that they would announce that the
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  Speaker 3: show is over before it aired. Like I said, that's
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  Speaker 3: something that typically will completely kneecap your audience. But what
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  Speaker 3: Variety was reporting though, is the big problem was the ratings. Right,
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  Speaker 3: it never cracked the top ten of the Nielsen. Like
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  Speaker 3: I said, They even did the deal where they released
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  Speaker 3: two episodes the first premiere, right, they had two episodes
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  Speaker 3: back to back. And typically the reason you do that
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  Speaker 3: is you are definitely trying to crack the top ten
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  Speaker 3: because one of the ways to crack the top ten
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  Speaker 3: is the amount of minutes that you watched. So if
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  Speaker 3: you have two episodes, you will have more opportunity for
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  Speaker 3: people to watch minutes of your show, so thereby doubling
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  Speaker 3: your numbers. Okay, it's one of the reasons why Amazon
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  Speaker 3: will release like three episodes of a show before you
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  Speaker 3: know at the start, because they're trying to triple their amount.
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  Speaker 3: There is, there's Dan, there's yeah, what's going on?
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  Speaker 6: I'm in a red Book par and uh I had
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  Speaker 6: the phone plugged in.
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  Speaker 2: I must have been going.
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  Speaker 6: To the to the vehicle.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't realize it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, you look at.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you got a special mention today.
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  Speaker 2: I can tell you about it, but i'd have to
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  Speaker 2: kill you fair enough understood space Force got it? Got it?
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  Speaker 6: And and I can't, And I, like like half the
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  Speaker 6: people on this show, so I don't want to.
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  Speaker 3: You can decide what you have. That's right, think about it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that's a secret.
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  Speaker 3: I nearly likes that each of us halfway so between.
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  Speaker 2: The that I listened to the show when you're when
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  Speaker 2: I've got odd So Scott, you know it comes from
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  Speaker 2: a place of love, of course I do.
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  Speaker 3: Jasmin says, you're going to church Force church. That's it.
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  Speaker 2: I like it.
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  Speaker 3: That's what it is.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. I'm slinging from slinging away. First, Le's going
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  Speaker 2: to the temple to worship the profets.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, this celestial temple.
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  Speaker 6: He I only have a few minutes, but I wanted
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  Speaker 6: to pop in and just go on the record.
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  Speaker 3: My prediction, Uh, they're going to back Girl this thing.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we're going to get into that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to get into that. There is strong potential
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  Speaker 3: for that. Yeah yeah, yeah. And I'm okay with that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I'm.
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  Speaker 6: Okay with the franchise resting for a bit after Strange
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  Speaker 6: New Worlds. We don't get cos re.
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  Speaker 3: Ducts or whatever or call it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but that's my short and dirty. Okay, I gotta
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  Speaker 6: get back. But I miss you guys. Yeah, I'll talk
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  Speaker 6: to you soon, all right, take.
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  Speaker 3: Care, okay. But yeah, So that was one of the
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  Speaker 3: things I was gonna get into is Dan's theory that
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  Speaker 3: they're going to Backgirle this thing and just never never
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  Speaker 3: release it because it costs so much to do this show.
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  Speaker 3: And right now they're in post production of making season two.
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  Speaker 3: I think the estimates where it was right around eight
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  Speaker 3: to ten million in an episode for the first season. Now,
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  Speaker 3: because the sets were already built, that cost actually drops
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  Speaker 3: a little bit for season two. So there is potential
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  Speaker 3: that the cost per episode is you know, a little
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  Speaker 3: bit lower, but even at what like six and eight
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  Speaker 3: somewhere in there, you know, or.
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  Speaker 2: Five guy, He says they're going to fund it by
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  Speaker 2: having Nala Egg open a pay less shoe source on Vulcan.
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  Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, nice nice. So yeah, So I mean
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  Speaker 3: there you can kind of like there's reasons to believe
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  Speaker 3: for both, right, that you could batgirl this thing, take
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  Speaker 3: the tax cut and cut your losses, but also at
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  Speaker 3: a lower cost rating, maybe it's worth it to put out.
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  Speaker 3: But when you but when you handicap your your viewership
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  Speaker 3: by saying, hey, there's no more of this thing, that
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  Speaker 3: also like you're gonna have a lot less viewers, your
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  Speaker 3: return on investment just isn't possible at that point, or
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  Speaker 3: significantly less possible. So it's it's kind of interesting that
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  Speaker 3: they let it out like this, right.
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  Speaker 2: And this is the first Star Trek series that's going
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  Speaker 2: to go down in history as a failure. I can't
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  Speaker 2: think of another series that failed. I mean, if you
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  Speaker 2: look at Enterprise, Enterprise did and early, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: think anybody considered it a failure. It's still out there.
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  Speaker 2: I still rewatch it, even you know, Discovery. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think Discovery is considered a failure. Five seasons and it
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  Speaker 2: sort of lasted almost as long as they kind of
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  Speaker 2: wanted it to This was meant for at least four seasons,
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  Speaker 2: four years, four college years, and and it got cut.
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  Speaker 2: It failed. Yeah, you know, the original series was canceled
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  Speaker 2: and then was reborn. That's had a rebirth, so it
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  Speaker 2: didn't fail. This is a failure. This is gonna get
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  Speaker 2: swept under the rug. This is this is section thirty
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  Speaker 2: one area, you know. And it's too bad because you
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  Speaker 2: can tell these the people that made this. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you look at the actors, these younger they're very passionate
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  Speaker 2: about it. They're they're they're talented. You know. The the
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  Speaker 2: lead kid is a. I think is A is a
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  Speaker 2: great actors weren't the problem, man, No, the actors were
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  Speaker 2: They did. Yeah, these guys are good. I love Robert
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  Speaker 2: Piccardo and I love Tak Nataro. You know, these these
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  Speaker 2: guys have some talent. Yeah, it's fun to watch them
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  Speaker 2: on screen, you know. And I I hate to complain
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  Speaker 2: about you know, there's there's this bandwagon about complaining about
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  Speaker 2: you know, the showrunners, but they're they. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: who else to blame.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean the bucks got us up somewhere, right.
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  Speaker 2: And I made a I made a comment on Facebook.
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  Speaker 2: I said you know, we like to complain about the show.
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  Speaker 2: And I I I was actually following a thread. I
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  Speaker 2: got it up right here. I was commenting on something
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  Speaker 2: that Darren Benjamin said, Darren and Dave Ivy the original
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  Speaker 2: Trek Cast, the Ogs, and and they don't they don't
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  Speaker 2: get on the trek Cast thing often, especially Dave. But
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  Speaker 2: I said complaining. I was responding to Dave. I said,
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  Speaker 2: complain about the thing we love is part of the
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  Speaker 2: thing that we love, and and Dave responded, I could
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  Speaker 2: not agree more. That's right, you know. I I love
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  Speaker 2: complaining about this. But then you know, they also talked
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  Speaker 2: about it just gets toxic when you complain about it
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  Speaker 2: too much. And you just you know, Alex Kurtzman this
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  Speaker 2: and Alex Hirtsman that, and I get that, I get that,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, yeah, the buck has to stop somewhere,
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  Speaker 2: and right, you know, I don't know if there's somebody
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  Speaker 2: above Alex Kurtzman at Paramount, that's that's you know, putting
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  Speaker 2: pressure on the showrunners. I don't know, you know why
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  Speaker 2: they I know Terry Metallis is off kind of doing
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  Speaker 2: something else right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's doing the vision show for Marvel.
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  Speaker 2: And and I know that Jonathan Fraakes has said, I'm
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  Speaker 2: sort of done directing, you know, but I don't know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm disappointed with what's going on. And Dan's right, I
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  Speaker 2: guess we need a break, We need to build up well.
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  Speaker 3: And we'll see how much of a break we get.
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  Speaker 3: Because remember they are working on that reboot movie. So
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  Speaker 3: if they're in pre production of it now, well in
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  Speaker 3: development of it now, it's technically not even pre production.
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  Speaker 3: So let's say a year, year and a half maybe
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  Speaker 3: two years of development, So that's what twenty twenty eight,
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  Speaker 3: a year of then pre production twenty twenty nine, then
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  Speaker 3: shooting it and editing it. So you're looking at like
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  Speaker 3: twenty thirty eighty one. Yeah, that's four or five years
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  Speaker 3: right that that Star Trek's on ice. That's really not
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  Speaker 3: that long of a time between between you know, one
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  Speaker 3: iteration to another. Plus, when that movie comes out, you
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  Speaker 3: know they're.
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  Speaker 2: Going to have other shows to go with it, sure
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  Speaker 2: and this and if it if it does happen like that,
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  Speaker 2: it needs to be a big deal blockbuster. It can't
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  Speaker 2: be like streaming now on Paramount Plus. It needs to
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: be oh nine, Star Trek. It needs to be something
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  Speaker 2: big Yeah, it needs to be big rejuvenate the franchise. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like like JJ did in nine right right, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and like they did in twenty seventeen when when Discovery
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  Speaker 2: came came out. I mean that that brought some interest
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  Speaker 2: back to Star Trek. Yeah, people started watching again.
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  Speaker 3: And and you know, I have some of the reactions
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  Speaker 3: from some of the some of the actors on the show.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see. Robert Riccardo said that he was, you know,
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  Speaker 3: truly sad that that that they're not gonna be able
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: to produce any more of the show.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: He also said that he felt Starfleet Academy was very
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: much a traditional Star Trek show. You know, he's close
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: to it, so I get it. I get why he
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: wants to protect that. I'm sure he also feels like
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: a fatherly role to the younger actors, so probably wanting
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: to defend his kids, you know for sure. William Shatner,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: grandpa of Star Trek, he came out too, very supportive
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: of the show and very supportive of the cast and crew,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: and just said how it was sad that that it
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: would be lost. Uh. Jayden Kareem Diane, uh you know
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: who plays Jayden. He he was pretty fired up. Did
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: did you know? Said he loved the show and that
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: he was proud of it, which, you know, good for him.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: He worked on a on a hard show and you know, yeah,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: did did slip a little bit about season two? Uh so? Yeah,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: a little bit, a little bit. Uh he says it's
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: all turned up to eleven.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: His his quote is it's gay as fuck and bows
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: to go out in flames.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: So at this point, you know, might as well just
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: go for it. But they might as well just Stephen
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Colbert the hell out of it.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just do it just so.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like what Steven Colbert is doing right now.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: He doesn't give an f no whatever he wants. He's
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: saying crab about air, about CBS.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Oh ja, Chaz says we should bad girl it. What
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: does that mean?
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Whoa uh, I've seen that version.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what are you talking? It's a little early for such.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Talk, right, Yes, Chad by Bob watches the show, that's right,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: his mom, how dare you sir? Oh boy? Uh So
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: the Trek Reversey is speaking of Star Trek t O
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: s have you guys watched the fan film series Star
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Trek continues I've watched a couple of pieces of it
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: on on YouTube. I've watched a little bit of X
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: ANDAR and a little bit of stuff like that, you know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Paramount a.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Couple of fan films on here for reviews.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just listened to my boy, uh
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Robbie mcdunk, Robbie doucle Neil and uh yeah, my best
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: friend and and my my homie Garrett Wang. They were
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: talking about Garrett being in one of the Star Trek
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: fan films with with like Tim Russ and and company.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: So oh that's right, Yeah, yeah, Garrett Wong was in. Uh,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: he was in. He was in one where he played
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: like Commander so and so, I think Commander Derrett and
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: now he didn't play in fact when when when there
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: he was at when I think it was Tim Russ
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: asked him, will you do this fan film with Garrett
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: was like no, and and Tim Russ is like, well,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: you're not gonna play Uh, You're not gonna play Harry Kim.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: You're gonna play command or so and so. And I
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: think he was playing on the Enterprise b uh to
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Captain Harriman. And it was like a mere universe type
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: of thing and so I haven't seen it, and I
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: know that Paramount got pretty lawyery about those yeah, yeah,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: which you know, Garrett and Rob were saying. You know,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I get it with the money and the and the
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: copyright and stuff, but the let the fans make these
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: films if they're not gonna you know, profit off of them,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: because it just gets people talking about Star Trek, right,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: And we've talked about it on the show before, about
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: fan films and you know, copyright and intellectual property and
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: things like that. You're a writer, I mean, how do
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: you feel about those fan films.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: I I get where they're coming from about wanting to
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: protect your IP and you don't want certain things in
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: different light, and you know, have people thinking bad things
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: about your your IP based off of something that was
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: completely out of your control. But at the same time,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: part of when you write and when you develop, you're
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: trying to create something that goes out into the world
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: and hopefully resonates with people. And so to have such
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: a passionate fan base that they want to spend their
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: free time and money recreating your product and recreating your
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: IP because they love it so much, I mean, that's
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: that's nothing but good things. You know, I think you
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: could make kind of like what they did, a list
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: of like here, here's what's acceptable, here's what's not.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: I think that would be good. I think it would
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: be kind of interesting if they had released like official,
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: like three D modeling so that people could use for
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: their fan films. Like here are some ships. It's not
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: our mainline ships, but these are you know, ships that
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: that are designed for fan films. You can call them
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: whatever you want, but here's a here's a twelve pack
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: of different federationships, a twelve pack of kling On and
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: like just give like something like that, right, Yeah, And
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: then that way you can and say, you know, these
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: are the acceptable pieces to use and and go with
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: God on that.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: So you're you're limiting but fostering at the same time.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I just want some good stories.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, so the big question now is what happens
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: next with Star Trek and what happens next with Alex Kurtzman. Right,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: So I read this the Big Variety article where they
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: had mentioned that, you know, the cancelation and why it
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: was canceled. Uh, but also in conjunction with that Variety
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: of what's one of the big trade magazines in Hollywood.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: They also have got a daily podcast, and the day
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: this article dropped, they also did a podcast about what's
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: next for Star Trek and what's next for Alex Kurtzman.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: And in that podcast they speculated because right now there's
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: no confirmation, I don't care where you're looking on the internet,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: there's no confirmation of this right now. They but they
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: speculated that this is an indication that the Kurtsman era
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: of Star Trek is over. You would not say that
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: the show is being ended like this. You would wait
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: until after it aired to say that the show has ended.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: So that to them was a big indication that it's.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Over, right.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: But the one thing they did point out is that
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: they don't think that means that that Kurtzman is being
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: booted out of Paramount. If anything, they think he will
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: get another deal, but that deal would be to produce shows,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: not Star Trek shows, because he does have a track
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: record of success of other types of shows as well,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: and this entire time that he's been making Star Trek shows,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: he has made other shows as well, like one of them,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I have the list here. One of them was The
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Man who Fell to Earth. Right that that started in
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty two and it's got eighty seven percent for
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: critics and a seventy eight percent with fans, so pretty
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: pretty big show. Another show that he's got is Clarice,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: which is, like, I think, a Science of the Lambs
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: type of show. But he's got a few other ones, yeah,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: that that have been doing well or well enough.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I don't hate Alex Kurtzman. No, No, to paraphrase Stewie
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: from Family Guy, it's not that I want him to die.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: It's that I want him not to live any longer.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Right, I just.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I might be mistaken when I when I see that
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Star Trek's failure being Kurtzman's fault. Maybe maybe it's not
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Kirtsman's fault, but I like a lot of people see
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: it as Kurtzman's fault. I might be wrong, but well,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: see like here, we like the lot of stuff that
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Metallists did and a lot of things that Freaks directed.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: And Guy gad Boys twenty or thirty ten says, wasn't
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Disney hinting at making room for fan creation on their
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: streaming service? Yes, oh that was another big news story
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: that happened this week, So yes, you are correct, sir,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Disney was going to allow fans to use Sora to
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: create AI content using I think they had like two
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: hundred characters that Soro would be allowed to use to
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: create just fan content on Disney Plus. However, the big
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: news this week, even bigger than what happened with Star Trek,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: is that the what the chat GBT Sora is no more.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: The AI company has decided to pull the plug on Sora.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: It just wasn't profitable enough for AI slop videos and
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: so they're they're getting rid of it.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: So so that has has stopped that that idea, But that's
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: not to say that's not something Disney wouldn't do in
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: the future. Just right now that that idea of it.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Is done, Yeah, because I've seen some on like TikTok
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: and and YouTube shorts and things. I've seen some AI
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: created short films that, yeah, like involving like Luke Skywalker, Yeah,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: and and and and like filling in some story gaps. Yeah.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I mean the CG is not perfect, but it's it's
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: it's enough where it doesn't take you out of the
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: story and it just it just tells a story about Uh,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: this is what he did after Return of the Jedi
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: and this is how he dealt with the just after
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: the funeral of Darth Vader and right, stuff like that,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, this is kind of interesting, and
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: the dialogue is a little bit eh, but it's like,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: you know, with a little bit of spit and polished,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: this could I would like to watch ninety minutes of this.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's that. That's one of the
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: things they said about AI is that it would be
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: a way to lower the cost and threshold to make
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: quality films. So it just hasn't worked out that way
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: so far.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: We do also have more reaction about the cancelation of
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Starfleet Academy. Let me pull this up. This is from
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Bleeding and Cool. But, uh, do you know who Andy
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: wear Is?
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Name sounds familiar, Okay.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: He is the author behind The Martian and most recently
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: projectail Mary.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: So he's out there making the rounds, you know, promoting
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Project Hail Mary. But he talked about how he did
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: not like the new Star Trek shows. In fact, in
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: one interview he said they were shit. Yeah. He he
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: went on to say that you know, he stranger the
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: world is Okay, he thought that Lower Decks was fun
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: and entertaining, but all the other stuff just you can
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: throw it in the bin. It wasn't working for him.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: But one of the things that he let slipped was
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: that he had a failed Star Trek show pitch or
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: rejected pitch, and that he pitched it to Alex Kurtzman.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: So I thought that was interesting. He says, here's the thing.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: I pitched a Star Trek show to Paramount. It was
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: on Zoom with the showrunners with all the shows, and
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time talking to Alex Kurtzman.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: I don't like a lot of the new Star Trek show,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: but he as a person is a really nice guy.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, those shows are shit, but
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: he has a nice guy. They didn't they didn't accept
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: my pitch, so you know, fuck them.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I guess you know how he feels about it.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So take all that with a massive grain of salt,
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: because you know, right, I just thought that was so funny.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: That kind of echoes the way a lot of us
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: feel about alse curse. I guess he's a nice guy,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: but fam yeah, I mean, and I kind of feel
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: like if that's true, that, yeah, I would like him
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: to go ahead and be successful somewhere else in here. Amount.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let him do his shows, let him you know
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: something else. Uh, the Star Trek reviewer, here's the thing
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: that Elvis Chritsman might be might not be the problem.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: The problem could be the fact that most writers are
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: not sci fi writers. And the fact is that I
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: heard that the producers do not care about pre existing
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Star Trek cannon.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another point. That's another point, Star Trek Cannon.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: You've got two camps when it comes to canon, you know,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: and and and we I think we can eliminate like
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: we can take the news the brand new ones that
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: that were not Star Trek fans a year ago or
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: two years ago, and they I don't want to say
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: that they don't have they don't have any seniority here.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: But if you take the the old US, old school Trekies,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: there's two camps. Those that care about canon, those that
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: don't really care about canon, you know. The ones that
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: don't care about canon are like, just give me a
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: good story and we can get behind it, right. And
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: then there's those of those of us that do care
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: about canon because we think about old Star Trek and
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: We're like, well, wait a minute, if he does this
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: or they did that back, then why are they doing
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: it like this here? And and it's it's a symptom
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: of yeah, these start these writers are not not just
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: not sci fi writers, they're not Star Trek fans. What
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: seems like, you know when they come up with with
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: things like the Burn and they don't think to themselves,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: you know, like a simple concept like uh, Romulans don't
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: use di lithium, they use quantum singularities. Why wasn't that
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: written into the show. It would have been cool to
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, there was this thing where after the
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Burn the Romulans had like this big power trip you know,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: or something like that. They should have thought about that.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: They conquered a lot.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: And yeah, did they not see that episode or those
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: two episodes or whatever? You know. So it's it's like
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: that because Star Trek fans like us, we start screaming
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: at our TVs, going did you not see the Enemy?
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Did you not see the Next Generation episode dealt with that?
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Like hello, yeah, so we're passionate about it. So, yeah,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: care a little bit about Cannon.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: I like this comment we got how does we get
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: rejected when Colbert gets to make a Tolkien fan film.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah I saw that too. Yes, for those who don't know,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Stephen Colbert is uh gonna be writing a new Lord
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: of the Rings movie. Mm hmm yeah yeah, okay, I guess.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: With Peter Jackson producing it.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well he's gonna land on his feet
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: then I guess.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, here we go, Sean, Dilithium isn't a it's used
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: as control rods to stop energy, stop engines exploding. Sean.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: I normally don't do this for commons, but that buddy
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: that completely deserves this warning warning NERD alert, nerd alert.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Here, that's Sean. I know that di lithium isn't the
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: power source. I know that the lithium crystals are used
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: to regulate the reaction because dialathium crystals are the only
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: material known to the Federation that doesn't react to anti matter,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. But uh, the point was that
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: the uh, the romulins don't use delithium to regulate their reactions.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: They use a quantum singularity to produce their power.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: First off, the romulins should only be flying to the
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: song regulators if they're gonna regulate, and they should always
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: say regulators mount up.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they fly into battle.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Secondly, the chat is now getting filled with a
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: lot of well actually well yeah, as as the star
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Trek reviewer says. Also, the Enterprise should not be as
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: big as it is in Strange New Worlds.
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: Right, Oh yeah, why do we need starships if there's
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: all the portal technology as as shows.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: In startfe in Starfleet Academy. Uh yes, well, don't forget
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: we also have the makeover machine on Starfleet Academy. You know,
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: there's all sorts of portals that you can go through.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Its business is very happy with shouting out Nate Dog
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: and Warren g.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: So, I mean if we want to if we want
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: to go over you know, the the warp technology uh
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: uh huh for uh, I've got the star Technical Manual
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: right here. So if we want to go over di
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: lithium crystals and uh warp chambers.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: So hey, ay, Chad, if you want to join us
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: on this discussion, feel free to x up in the
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: chat to put an X and I will send you
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: a link and you can join us. We just asked
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: that you have a camera and a mic so that
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: we can hear you and see you. Oh, Sean also
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: says quite simply, the burn was the stupidest idea and not.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah, it was poorly
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: execute well, and I I don't mind the idea of
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: like a catastrophic federation galaxy wide event. Yeah, its cause
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: was dumb.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the crying out for mommy.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. The Kelpian temper temper tantrum, Yeah yeah, that
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: was I mean, because that was a Q level catastrophe.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah really, yeah, that that should have been a Q
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: having a temper tantrum, you know, not a Kelpian. That
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: that should have been a some kind of omnipotent being. Not.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but see, I don't even think that, like if
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: you wanted to say that somehow all the di lithium
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: is somehow connected, because you know, that's basically what they're
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: saying with the crying. Yeah, you gotta say like it
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: was an accidental discovery or or something. Right, you got
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: to give a reason for that connection. I can't just
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: throw that out there.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: They could have connected it to the mycelium network and right, right,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: and that would have been a good way also to
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: uh get rid of the jumping ability of discovery. Yeah,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: because the writers really painted themselves in the corner with that.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, so.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Especially in Starfleet Academy, Can Discovery help us? No? Why not?
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Well we got to come up with excuse every other episode.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, dry dock.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, we can't use it for reasons.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be hilarious and they would have been like, well,
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: the plot won't allow us to do it, right.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was a little disappointed that we didn't see Discovery.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: I get why they didn't because it would have been
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: pretty expensive to bring partial Yeah. We I mean that
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: could have been honestly that they could have taken the
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Enterprise D and and like doing done a little refit
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: and we wouldn't have noticed the difference.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Man, you're always thinking about the d.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: I'm always thinking about the d that's right.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Well, we got jobs joining us. Yeah, let me bring
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: him in here. He wants to be part of the discussion.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Jazz Viz. How are you doing? Are you sad after
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: the announcement.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Today?
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: So you're what I'm in mourning that they It was like,
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: oh no, yeah, can start. Starfeete Academy is over.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: It's over. The long national nightmare is over.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: Everybody saw the writing on the wall, like even in
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: the previews. Yeah, like uh, and it's like this is
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: what they're giving us, Like that could have done so
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: much more Starfleet Academy, like that could actually gone through
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: how their training really is. And they I don't know.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: There's no philosophical moments in the show this season. Nothing.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: The truck reviewer Discovery can't be used because there needed
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: to cut a pizza. What's hilarious about this is they
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: sent me, Yeah, a Discovery pizza cutter, did they really? Yeah?
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: I have one.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: That's great. That's great. Yeah, I.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: Think they had one like that. I don't think Geek
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: was open.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah they have. And that that saucer section spins, doesn't
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: it right? Right?
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: Yes? Yeah, that worked perfectly?
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Is pizza cutter?
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah in theory, but when I've tried cutting pizzas with it,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: it's not that great.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: I have an enterprise bottle opener.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: So oh nice nice?
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah works as the model of there, it's kind
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: of cool.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: So now you have to get the programmable matter detachable
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: U cell version.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: That's right. Do you think Alex Kurtzman's will get a
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: new Star Trek deal or just a regular deal.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: I think his ten years over, it's it's you know,
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: he's he's done right now. They're gonna sunset him, and
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: then he'll probably be like J. J. Abrams, being Director's
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: Jail for a while, and then maybe five years from
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: now he'll do something else.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: So well, I mean, he's got other shows that are
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: successful right now. So I don't think throwing him in
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: director's jail is the thing. Yeah, I think the focusing
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: him on other stuff.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: M h. Yeah.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: So they'll bring in somebody different, and let's hope whoever
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: they bring in is faithful to the source material, and
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: let's quit banking prequels and let's go forward.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think one of the things that they're going
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: to say, and I think you'll hear in the fallout
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: whenever we start hearing about it, is there going to
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: cite the cost of the show more than the rating,
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: which is a very fair point that the cost of
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: these shows in relation to the audience just isn't worth it.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, they looked great, but the thing is
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: is they never traveled anywhere. We never saw any strange
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: new worlds, never saw any different alien species, never really
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: saw anything, you know. Yeah, the one kidn't start Flight Academy.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: He's a fish creature. But it only showed his face once,
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: Like that was what second episode or first episode you
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: got to see his face and then after that you
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: never got to see what his actual race looked like,
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, well we got we got want and
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: everybody was you know, human when they went to his planet. Yeah.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: I I was like, it's like, if you're gonna have
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: an alien world, you're gonna have an alien wedding, everybody.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Should be you know and something again. Yeah, well, I
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: think one of the big mistakes is that they they
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: interpreted wacky for interesting, yeah, in wacky is not.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: I think the thing is they had too many lower
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: decks maybe writers on here, even though I love lower decks,
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: but it doesn't fit for a live action yea Our
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: Trek show correct, Like, I don't.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Doubt that they had a blast writing it, coming up
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: with wacky things for the aliens, but but that doesn't
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: translate to sci fi. That translates to comedy.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's I don't know, well, it's kind of
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: like they try to do wacky this year on Strange
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: New Worlds and it didn't pay off either. On some.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: And I don't know.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: I wonder if they're rethinking some of the episodes next season,
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: like what are they gonna do?
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: I mean they got two.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I'm bracing.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's the thing they're doing all these seasons.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: But they can't course correct because they're all set on
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: one trajectory and they can't like, hey, we need to
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: back up here, reshoot, redo this.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: You know, you would be amazed how much you can
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: get away with an editing and how much you can
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: change editing.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: But let's let's well, and if they're gonna release the
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: second season of this show, at least give it closure. Yeah,
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: show them like where they wish.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: They can with reshoots. They can do they can do
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: a two year time jump. They can do a graduation scene.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: I would like to them graduate, and I like to
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: see them like go somewhere and what they do and
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: if they get promoted or whatever, they can play.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: That Discovery will show up next season, Yeah, I think
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: there will be. I think there will be a graduation ceremony.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: I think you're going to see an end montage of
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: you know, going off to different ships. I think you're
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: gonna see the new Voyager. I think you're gonna see Discovery.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: I think you're gonna see you know, all these you know,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: there was a like a uss dog. I think you know,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: I think you're gonna see all these ships.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Which which graduation song are you gonna hear at the end?
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Is it going to be that one from from Green Day?
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: Green Day going to be the Yeah time of your life? Yeah? Yeah,
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: there's all.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Sort of jumper. It's gonna be jumper from Third Eye Blood.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Which you would step back from this ledge by frame?
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: You know, it's got to be the Beastie Boys, Oh god, yeahs.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, school or School's Out, Schools Out forever?
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, oh, the trick reviewer.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing. If you write good stories, you do
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: not need new you don't need special effects or c g.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Every episode that's true, that's right, that's one of a
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: bottle episode.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Some of the bottle episodes are the best.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed, Yeah, yeah, they were the best.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: They went on acting alone and writing.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Really good Drumhead. There's not a lot of special effects
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: on that show.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and it's one of the most the one
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: where I if data is sentient or whatever, what's it called.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: The measure of a man measure of a man.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: I was thinking Data's Day, but I'm like, that's not
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: the one.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Data's Day is one of my favorite episodes. And
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: then the other one that I just thought about was
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Disaster is a fantastic episode.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: What's the one is the d S nine episode where
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: the Pardassian is trying to act like he was the murderer.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: It's like the first season.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: On Trial. I forget the name of the episode, and
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: it's it's freaking one of the best.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He ends up getting killed at the end by
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: a Bajoran.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: What's the episode where Goldycot wakes up Cure in the
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: middle of the night and says, Hey, I slept with
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: your mom. Hangs up.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: I love that one. I'm my Voyager rewatch.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: Imagine being in the writer's room, all right, I got
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: an idea for an episode.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: Cares Mom and it's gonna be pissed at him.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm about to do a d S nine rewatch.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: So I'm I'm I'm watching. Uh, I'm watching. I'm almost
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: done with my Voyager rewatch. I'm I'm doing it, and
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: it's coinciding with my listening to uh the de Yeah,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: they're about yeah, and they're doing and at the end
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: of their Voyager rewatch, they're they're gonna start up they
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: this I about two years behind on their podcast, but
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: right now they're about in season five or six of
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Deep Phase nine currently. And so after they did Voyager,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: they they they hooked up with I think armand Shimmerman
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: and Terry Farrell maybe Okay, they alternate doing Terry Farrell
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: and arm and Shimmerman and they rewatch each episode of
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Deep Face nine.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: See Soften and Nog were doing one and then you know,
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: Nog passed away halfway actually I think it was a
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: second season or so he passed away.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: So earlier. The Star Trek viewer did ask a question,
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: and I meant to bring this up, but we were
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: talking about other stuff at the time, but he did ask.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: So here's the question. Do they release all the Starfleet
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Academy season two at one time instead of weekly weekly
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: and he spelled it as in week not.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: Well, I bet, you know, yeah, I bet they dump
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: it all at once, like because some of the shows
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: they don't care about, they'll just.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: There. I think that.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: If if they do do the editing and actually make
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: it happen because that's millions and millions and millions of
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: dollars of investment to throw into a show that you've
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: already said is dead. Right, So I still I kind
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: of agree with Dan. I think putting it, you know,
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: batgirling it is is a possibility.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: Well bunch of tax right off.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: So with this, if they merge, yeah, that's the thing.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: Because Oracles, you know, stock's gone down quite a bit.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: And right yeah, they're gonna have.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: They're gonna have to bring some closure to it because
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: if they just ended on you know on okay, see
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: you next year, or god forbid a cliffhanger.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. Allegedly all the the sets have
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: already been put into storage. So it's not as simple
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: as let's just go do reshoots. It's we have to
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: get pull the sets back out. We have to rebuild,
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: like that whole machine to create Star Trek has been
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: shut down. So if you're going to go do research
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: reshoots for like a week or two, it's getting the
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: entire crew back because now at this point the crew
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: is onto other jobs, right. It's getting all the departments
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: up and running because they've they've had to have closed
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: down their offices too. It's not just that the sets
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: are down, so it's it's firing up that whole big
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: machine instead of like we'll bring the actor in and
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: have them do a voice line and we'll just cut
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: away to a starship or something while their voice line
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: says something.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Right. And it's not like any other show can help
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: them out either. It's not like Strange New Worlds can
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: help them tie up loose ends, right, you know, Star
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Trek Legacy can't help them tie up loose ends. Yeah, exactly,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: you know, unless they did some kind of time travel episode.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: But how ridiculous would that be?
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see that. That's leading me to believe
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: more and more that they are gonna uh batgirl it
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: because especially if they did some kind of uh you know,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: the thing where the last episode is a cliffhanger. I mean,
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: that's gonna be so disappointed. Yeah, and if and if
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: they try to edit the cliffhanger out, it's gonna it's
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: gonna be a disaster.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: I I okay, gonna show up at the end.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: Let me have this all right, complete conspiracy. This is
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: based off of nothing, you know, one hundred you know,
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: grain of salt. But if you're Paramount and you're negotiating
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: with Alex Kurtzman. Because one of the other issues is
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: allegedly the the the way the contract was written to
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: seek rideout is any characters or or shows they created.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: They maintained the characters too, So in the future right
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: now as it sits, allegedly, Paramount cannot use Discovery or
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: or Strange New Worlds any of those characters right that
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: weren't previously a part of Star Trek, So they could
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: be hanging over Alex Kurtzman head. Look, you want season
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: two to come out, you got to give us back
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: the rights. We maintain all the rights, we clean up
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: the IP issues, we own it all straight forward, and
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: then we will let season two come out. I could
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: see that happening. And then the fact that they said
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: it's over is also another thing over them, saying, look,
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: do you want this thing to come out or not?
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Because it doesn't have to.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, understand there's already an online petition to
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: bring to save it.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah there is.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: Well I mean that, Yeah, if you shot it, just
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: just release it and at least give it closure. I'd say, like,
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: at least have it in see where the kids go Yeah,
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: I'll be the end of that era and then we'll
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: move along from there.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: They're gonna have to spend some money to do it.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm pointing in some shots.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: It's like, if it's already shot, just either finish it or.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: So there's the petition. It's sitting at nineteen thousand, four
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: hundred and sixty.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: One the viewers, viewers, that's every viewer.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Whi's really funny is like two three days ago when
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: this went live, Like I watched it for a couple
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: of days, and it was like at one thousand, fifteen hundred,
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: and then only recently did it really just shoot up.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: You know who we should put on this if we
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: want this to gain some momentum?
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: Who's that?
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: We should put my wife on it? Because I have
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: she's really good at skewing the results of these kinds
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: of things, So we should.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: That's right, That's right.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: She talked to her. If we want to save Starfleet, Academy.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: Shall have her pot form working on its three hundred
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: cell phones like different IP addresses.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so what do we got left? We've got three seasons, right,
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: We've got two seasons of Strange New Worlds. We got
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: one season of Starfleet Academy allegedly, and then that's it, man.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: Kind of sad, Yeah, it really is.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: This is the first time in a decade new, no,
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: new Star Trek is in production.
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: Did you think a decade ago you would crane when
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: you heard a new Star Trek show, a new Star
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: Wars show, a new Marvel no, a new Lord of
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: the Rings project. Because a lot of people are about
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: that right now, you like, not another It's just like
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: we almost see news.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: To be honest with you, Yeah, here's the big question.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: I want to ask that now that you know, let
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: let's hypothetically if this is over, if if the Kurtzman
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: era of Star Trek is over, was it a success?
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: What is it a failure? Or was it just maintaining
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: the status quo? What do you guys think? It's hard
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: to say, man, well, it's not hard to say. Personally,
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: I think it's a failure. Personally, I think it's a
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: failure because they went in with the mandate right when
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: when he first signed on, the mandate was expand the
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: fan base grow it. You know, the the movies at
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: this point had had done a pretty good job of
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: introducing Star Trek and now the point was to keep it,
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: keep it going, and now we're in an error where
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: the shows are not breaking into the top ten, very
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: few of them have. It just never was as popular
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: as it could have been.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: And if this saw on network TV, they were would
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: already pulled it maybe second or third.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, the merc guys, he isn't there.
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: They they did one official Star Trek convention. We went
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: to it, strong Beard and yeah, the one in Chicago. Yeah,
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: they did one official convention. They said they were going
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: to do another one and they never did it. Like
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: it just it never grew.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Well. That one that the the it wasn't debund done
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: by the same people. But the one Star Trek convention
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: I went to in Chicago last year was official. Yeah,
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: but it's it was inconsistent. It was I don't know,
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: I it I would like to have seen it advertised more.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: I found out about it kind of last minute. Yeah,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: you know, there was a little bit of confusion at
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: the place about what was going on. It was. It
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: wasn't done like a typical like comic con. It was,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: so it was a little bit The way they had
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: it going on was a little bit confusing. But I
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: think once they do a few more of them, they'll
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of get everything, you know, nice and
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: and polished.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: But a Waiting Game makes a really good point. When
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: your latest show doesn't even trend on your own platform,
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: your show is dead.
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, all like when when you have like old
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: TV shows, old movies. Yes, yeah, and you're like wow O.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: Trek reviewer gives this the Kurtzman era and f and
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: A Waiting Game says it's gigantic failure creatively, business wise,
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: ratings and everything.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: Uh, how do you feel about the the other fan
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: base that like likes everything that Star Trek puts out.
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: You know, Star Trek can't do anything wrong, but they're
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: coming after rest and blaming us for the cancelation of
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: the show. How do you feel about that?
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: I it's all Trek casts fault.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're doing it to all the other podcasts too,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: that are you know, blaming Kurtzman And you're like, well,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: you got to put the finger at someone that hates said.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Look, we're not the only ones that had this opinion
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: of this show is crap.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there wasn't.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Not all of it was crap, and not all parts
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: of it were crap. We we just said at the
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: beginning of the show. We liked the acting, we liked
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: the you know, certain parts of it. Yeah, it looked great.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: The looks were amazing, Like the shows looked amazing, all
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: of them, even of Academy, Like it had a great look.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: But but that wasn't enough, Like.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: No, you have something spend that camera around like thirty times.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I didn't agree with every like story, storyline, structures,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: the way like like when they had what's her name
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: Sam talked to the camera, you know and do that,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: Like that's not something I would have written. But at
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: least they tried something different with such an old show.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: So that's cool. They're taking swings. But but it just
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: didn't work. Yeah, it was just it just didn't work.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: I think the other thing you can argue is, look,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: Kurtzman has been at this for about ten years, right
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: with Star Trek. I don't care how good of a
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: producer you are, ten years of making a show, stay
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: at top. It's it's a very difficult thing to do
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: multiple and multiple shows. So a million, yeah, multimillion dollars.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: Look at the cost of Section thirty one last year. Yeah, well,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: that's was that in the one hundred million. It was
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: because they paid out Michelle Yo twelve million dollars. Yeah,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: it was just a one off and it was completely awful.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: I felt so bad for her too, because she's she's
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: got a lot of talent.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: She paid, she took the money and Ry and I
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: don't blame the money. And ran I was like, twelve
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: min okay, you know, yeah, it's like I'll be in
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: a bad project.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: Was Michael Kane was in uh, I want to say
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: he was in Jaws three, the Revenge. Yeah, and they
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: asked him like, what was it like making such a
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: terrible movie and he was all like, oh, I don't
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: you know. I don't really know, but I'll tell you
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: about the house I bought with.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: The check, right, yeah, the.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: Bahamas or or whatever.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they had like a really cool destination. Yeah, it
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: was actually kind of nice.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Harrison Ford said something similar. He's like, don't you
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: feel silly when you're playing like the Red Hulk and
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: blah blah. He goes, that's what the money's for.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and get off excuse a matter of fact?
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Yeahs yeah, yeah, when you're backing up Briggs trucks to
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: your house. It's like, uh, yeah, I don't feel so
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: silly anymore. Yeah.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure his wife and kids are like thanks dad.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: But well I've got two things at the end here. Yeah,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: go bring up two things. I don't know if we're
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: winding down one. Okay. I had mentioned to you offline
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: that I was gonna mention a little a little new
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: segment that I was just gonna bring up Trek birthdays
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: if anybody would be And I was just gonna mention
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: half a dozen March birthdays since we're coming up on
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: the end of March. I was just gonna mention some birthdays,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: notable birthdays, Trek birthdays and March Gates, McFadden, James Doing,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: John Delancy. We all know these names. Michael Westmore, he
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: was he's a makeup designer for TG AT D S nine,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: DC Fontana h She was an author in T O
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: S and TG Leonard moy and Big Papa himself. William
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Shatner turned ninety five on the twenty second of March.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: Those are those are all the birthdays.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: For Mars for them, That's right. So there we go.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: You need and uh, I have a news story I
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: wanted to bring up to this was this was a
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: big one. Okay, so, uh, Firefly is back.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I saw that.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, Firefly is back. Nathan Fillion miss uh there, Well
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: yeah they're missing Uh so okay, so this comes back
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: to uh yeah, they're coming back. It's on TikTok and
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: all the art form video platforms. Nathan Fillion, who played
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: Captain mal Reynolds, Malcolm Reynolds, you know him, he's on
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: the rookie. He's been doing these little short films where
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: he's been filming himself going up and knocking on doors
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: to all of his former cast mates of Firefly and
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: teasing something. And they've been opening the door and saying,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: oh is it time, Yes, it's time. And every single
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: cast member, with one notable exception, Ron Glass, who's a
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: Star Trek alumni who unfortunately passed away a few years ago,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: has been in this teaser and up until it was
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: some kind of con Mega Con or Dragon Con or
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: comic Con something. That was last week. They announced what
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: it was and there was a lot of speculation. Is
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: it a bobblehead, is it a podcast? Is it offs
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: over comic book? Uh? No, they are going to do
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: an animated series for Firefly that takes place between the
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: one season of Firefly and the movie Serenity, and it's
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: going to fill in that gap. They're gonna have that's yes. Yes,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: I was like, wait, like, so that's how wash wash
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: is going to be back and they're gonna have They're
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: going to recast Shepherd book.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: So that's right. So yeah, Firefly, Firefly's back, baby. Yeah.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: I think that that's a show that would have made
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: it on streaming.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, politically, John will not be part.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: Of the viewership and it just did not take off,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: and that could have gone so much further.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: No, Josh Whedon won't be part of it. Uh. From
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: what the rumors say is that they have his blessing
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: though he's.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they apparently they have his blessing. There are reports
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: that that Joss Whedon actually is still pretty active in Hollywood,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: but that he does everything as a ghostwriter.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm okay, so yeah, And it sounds like Nathan
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Filling himself is doing a lot of the writing, especially
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: for the pilot, and it looks like the first episode
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: has already written.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm sure they have writers that help him out.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, Yeah, who's gonna produce it and who's going.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: To they are? They said, I Yeah, they said they've
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: got showrunners, they've got backing. I think Disney owns all
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: the properties now.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: So they got like the Vampire Slayer, like they had
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: that all written and they're about to start shooting.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: Does that make River Tam a Disney princess?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: I think it does. I think that. Yeah, so everybody's
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: excited about that. Hmm. Yeah, they're they're bringing everybody back.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah everybody. So yes.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: I saw the movie before I ever saw the same
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: a lot of people did. Everybody was talking about this
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: movie and I was like, there's a TV show. I
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: had no idea.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: I thought the movie was great man walking in not
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: knowing anything.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I went in there completely blind, knowing absolutely nothing.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Buddy who loved Firefly and he was like grinning
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: ear to ear because he knew all the references. And
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: I was like, I have no idea what's going on?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: But this is awesome?
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I I downloaded I think I illegally downloaded all
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: the episodes onto my iPod ok and I watched it
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: on that two inch screen when I was overseas, and
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: I must have watched the series the thirteen episode series
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: a dozen times on my little iPod.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: You know, man, you were just dating yourself left and right.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: I know, I know this, yeah, back in like wait oh.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so yeah, it's not as bad as watching paper
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 7: V with the little squiggly line.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, scramble like I almost get half the movie.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: Hey man, I used to watch movies on my zoom.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, I have. Yeah. People were making fun
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: of me overseas, are like, oh, you got yourself an iPod.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: The zoon is the thing that's really going to take off,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, whatever, I loved my zoo.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 8: Man.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: So this summer, my my son's coming home from college.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: She's gonna be nice moving back in here. We're all
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: gonna be sitting down and watching h the whole series together.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: Firefls coming back, that's right, he's coming back from Starfleet Academy,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: and uh, we're gonna be watching Firefly all the way
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: through and surendity. So I'm very excited because it's to me,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: it's the single greatest season of television ever. Ye come
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: from a Star Trek fan.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: As we're wrapping up, I gotta make a recommendation out
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: in the movie theaters right now. I just went nice Undertone.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: If you're a horror fan.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're gonna say Project Till Mary.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: No, I might be going to see that tonight.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, it's so good.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: No, we might go see that too next weekend.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: Undertone is a very cheap horror film that was made.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: I think they made it for like about five hundred
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars, which is like nothing for a movie. And like,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: I am very desensitive to horror films, right, Like I
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: I love them. I watch them all the time. Nothing
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: scares me. This is the first movie in years, literal
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: years that really creeped me out.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: M Yeah. So I will pass that on to my wife.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's showing ten ten pm tonight if I go see.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: It Undertone, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: She loves horror films. I can't stand them.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know my wife hates horror films.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 8: Dude.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: It is creepy. It is so done, honestly, Like, if
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: you want to watch it at home, it's not gonna
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: have the same effect because a lot of this movie
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: is dependent on audio, Like it's it's an audio based movie,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: and so the sound in the theater, especially in that
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: dark room really amplifies the scary. So if you're gonna
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: watch it, highly suggest in the theaters.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, so all right, well I guess that.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: In it just sucks as at ten ten pm. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: that's kind of a bad time.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: It means we'll get out of.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: There about midnight. Yeah, it's only like an hour and
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: the movie, Yeah.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: They like those twenty five minutes worth of preview.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: That's true, so you're looking at it about two hours.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: But yes, yeah, but.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: Hey see Project Hill Mary if you haven't seen it, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: it is excellent movie. Have you seen The Popcorn Bucket? Yes, yes,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: it's well that is probably the best movie I've seen
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: all year. I mean talking about like if you like
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: sci fi.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh I want to see it. I just haven't yet.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: And the book's great too. I mean I can't put
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: that book down when.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: I read it. We're thinking about going to see it.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: There's actually a couple of towns over there's a drive
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: in movie theater that's nice playing it. I've never been
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: to a drive in movie theater. And my wife mentioned it.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 6: Oh she wants to dig you to drive in huh yeah.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, things are getting serious.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: Yep, I guess yeah, yeah, you're.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: Like they've been married for years. I guess I don't know.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: I got your popcornbucket right here.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: No, oh no, his mom listens to the Bob listens
• 1:12:43
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• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: Well, on that note, uh keep keep all the keep
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• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: There is no show next week because it's Easter, that's right.
• 1:13:30
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• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: we're going to tell you the tale of a of
• 1:13:37
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• 1:13:41
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