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Credlin | 30 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline this afternoon, the news that none of
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Speaker 2: us wanted. Police confirming the body of the missing five
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Speaker 2: year old girl and Alice Springs has been found. I'll
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Speaker 2: give you my take on the tragedy shortly. We'll also
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Speaker 2: cross to Matt Cunningham in the Territory for the latest
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Speaker 2: the suspect tonight is still on the run. More migration
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Speaker 2: analysis out today, with India now overtaking the UK as
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Speaker 2: the greatest source country for new migrants to Australia, as
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Speaker 2: the ABS reports some nine million people here our first
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Speaker 2: generation migrants so overseas born, making that a full third
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Speaker 2: of our population. Last after yesterday's inflation data. Already we're
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Speaker 2: being told to give up for at least two rate
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Speaker 2: rises at the best. All of our labor persists to
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Speaker 2: use the war as a cop out. And the interim
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Speaker 2: report today from the Royal Commission into the wake of
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Speaker 2: the Bondai massacre. It's been released. I'll get you the
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Speaker 2: detail from what has been a pretty mixed reaction.
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Speaker 3: I understand this is only a part of the process, only.
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Speaker 2: A part of the solution. Funday did not happen in
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Speaker 2: a vacuum.
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Speaker 4: I need to lift their game. I'm pleased they say
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Speaker 4: they're going to, but the proof of the pudding is
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Speaker 4: in the eating.
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Speaker 2: We'll go through all that detail with Bondai and a
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Speaker 2: whole lot more, But first tonight, I wanted to talk
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Speaker 2: about the debate we've been having pretty much since An's
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Speaker 2: a Day about welcomes to country and the way they're
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Speaker 2: now being used to make increasingly political statements that are
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Speaker 2: neither welcoming or in many cases relevant to the event
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Speaker 2: they proceed. And I was then going to juxtapose the
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Speaker 2: fixation of the activist class on the black and white
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Speaker 2: history of this country when there are far more pressing
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Speaker 2: concerns about how Aboriginal people are actually living today. And
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Speaker 2: I then wanted to do what so many news outlets
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Speaker 2: don't do. Sky does but many don't, and that's namely
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Speaker 2: cover the reality of life for so many Indigenous people
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Speaker 2: in remote Australia, the life that is the lived reality
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Speaker 2: for that missing five year old girl from Alice Springs.
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Speaker 5: But that was.
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Speaker 2: Before the police press conference mid afternoon today confirming the
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Speaker 2: worst that they had found her body not far from
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Speaker 2: the town camp where she was living with relatives.
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Speaker 4: Police members of the search party located the body of
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Speaker 4: a young Aboriginal girl.
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Speaker 6: I've just gotten off the phone from the mother of
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Speaker 6: Kumanjai Little Baby and offered our sincerious and heartfelt condolences
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Speaker 6: on the loss of her beautiful little baby girl.
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Speaker 2: This afternoon, her family released this photograph and they've asked
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Speaker 2: the media to refer to her as Kumajai Little Baby,
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Speaker 2: as the Chief Minister said. Her death is a terrible
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Speaker 2: blow to the community that had tried so hard to
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Speaker 2: find her after she was seemingly abducted from her bed
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Speaker 2: on Saturday night by the recently released defender Jefferson Lewis,
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Speaker 2: who's been imprisoned time and time again for violent crimes,
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Speaker 2: including aggravated assault.
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Speaker 6: Five days, every Territorian has had their heart in their throat,
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Speaker 6: waiting for the moment when we got the announcement that
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Speaker 6: she'd been found safe and well, and that news did
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Speaker 6: not come. Hearts are all with people grieving this loss
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Speaker 6: and at my thanks go to every single person who
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Speaker 6: volunteered to walk through the bush, to walk through the
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Speaker 6: long brass to walk up the hills, to do everything
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Speaker 6: that they could to find her.
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Speaker 2: Leaf and Nikiara in their press conference today was close
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Speaker 2: to tears, and we should all weep for a young
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Speaker 2: life robbed and demand justice for a girl that deserved
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Speaker 2: a whole lot more than she got in a country
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Speaker 2: as prosperous as our own. As reported by the Australian
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Speaker 2: newspaper today, no one should leave in such circumstances. This
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Speaker 2: little girl's bed was a grotty mattress on a filthy floor,
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Speaker 2: in a room full of empty bean bottles. The little
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Speaker 2: five year old who only got to lay her head
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Speaker 2: down at eleven o'clock when other children her age were
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Speaker 2: already long tucked up in a bed with clean sheets
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Speaker 2: and a full belly. Now we do not know yet
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Speaker 2: how this little girl died. A post mortem will now
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Speaker 2: be carried out. What we do know is that police
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Speaker 2: have already confirmed the DNA of two persons has been
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Speaker 2: found on the child's underwear. Seamen blood. We don't know,
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Speaker 2: and yes that is graphic. It makes me want to
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Speaker 2: throw up. But this is the reality of the town
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Speaker 2: camps that are home to so many Aboriginal people. Places
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Speaker 2: I have visited many, many times when I worked in politics,
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Speaker 2: particularly with Tony Abbott, places that should be shut down
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Speaker 2: but continue to exist despite the billions and billions in
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal programs. There are around eight hundred thousand Aboriginal people
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Speaker 2: in Australia, zo point two percent of the population, and
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Speaker 2: across all levels of government, around thirty billion dollars billion
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Speaker 2: dollars is spent with the genuine hope that the money
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Speaker 2: goes to the people that need it. And you clearly,
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Speaker 2: if you look at where this little girl went to
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Speaker 2: sleep on Saturday night, it does not look like the
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Speaker 2: money reaches those that do. Now, we talk a lot
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Speaker 2: about our Aboriginal culture. For many in remote Australia, that's unemployment,
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Speaker 2: that's family dysfunction, and it is substance abuse. We talk
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Speaker 2: a lot about reconciliation for the wrongs of the past,
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Speaker 2: but how about rectifying the wrongs of the present. And yes,
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Speaker 2: we should be respectful towards Aboriginal people, as we should
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Speaker 2: be respectful to everyone, but that can't mean excusing subhuman
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Speaker 2: living conditions or failing to insist upon ordinary Australian norms
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Speaker 2: because of culture. Now I come at the so someone
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Speaker 2: you know who often talks here and writes about a
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Speaker 2: range of issues facing Aboriginal people. I care deeply about
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Speaker 2: what happens to people living in remote and regional parts
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Speaker 2: of this country, and I often rail against a professional
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal activist class who I believe don't do or say
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Speaker 2: enough to improve their lives. Happy enough to take the millions,
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Speaker 2: happy to do the welcomes to march across the Harbor Bridge,
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Speaker 2: flying the flag and wearing the T shirts, but never
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Speaker 2: enough to make a difference where it matters. Now, I
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Speaker 2: have a sister who has spent her life as a
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Speaker 2: nurse and midwife in remote Aboriginal communities for almost thirty years,
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Speaker 2: often putting her own life at risk to do something
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Speaker 2: she cares deeply about. She has been beaten by Aboriginal
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Speaker 2: people high on drugs and alcohol. Many times. She has
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Speaker 2: gone to bed and barricaded the door and felt unsafe.
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Speaker 2: She cares. My sister is a saint, and perhaps it
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Speaker 2: was my parents who inspired her when they fostered a
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Speaker 2: young Aboriginal boy into our family when we lived in
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Speaker 2: a malley. Now, that can't have been easy for my
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Speaker 2: parents to do in the nineteen seventies, but my parents
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Speaker 2: were the sort of people who did things like that.
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Speaker 2: They knew you had to make a difference at the
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Speaker 2: grassroots level to make a difference at all. That's perhaps
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Speaker 2: why the news of this little girl's death today has
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Speaker 2: hit me as hard as it has. Because the town
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Speaker 2: camps around Alice Spriggs have been notorious for years. Very
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Speaker 2: few residents have real jobs, very few of the children
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Speaker 2: go to school regularly enough. The police often feel powerless
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Speaker 2: to enforce the law because they won't be supported by
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Speaker 2: the woke magistrates and weak governments, and child protection officers
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Speaker 2: feel that they can't do what they otherwise would for
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Speaker 2: fear of creating another stolen generation. Senator just sent an
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Speaker 2: amperjipre Price, part of the dead girl's extended family and
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Speaker 2: a rare voice of realism on indigitous issues, told The
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Speaker 2: Australian and I quote, there's another conversation to be had
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Speaker 2: about what happens to town camps. These places, she says,
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Speaker 2: can be hellholes, and she is right.
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Speaker 7: We need to have a conversation about town camps and
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Speaker 7: what kind of you know, life they provide for people
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Speaker 7: who live in them, but particularly so for children. They
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Speaker 7: absolute hellholes. I mean, I have lost so many family
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Speaker 7: members in town camps. I wouldn't let my own children
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Speaker 7: stay in a town camp. Know a regular Australian would
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Speaker 7: want their child staying in the town camp, and yet
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Speaker 7: we've still got them in and around Ella Springs. And
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Speaker 7: this goes to a broader conversation about what you know,
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Speaker 7: we should be doing about these circumstances.
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Speaker 2: Does Senna's right to call it out, even though she
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Speaker 2: she cops it from the activists and the elites, black
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Speaker 2: as well as White, for speaking the blunt truth. Shut
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Speaker 2: these town camps down. Order the billions so the taxpayers
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Speaker 2: who never want to see a child, an Australian child,
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Speaker 2: live like this, can rest assure that their money ends
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Speaker 2: up in the hands of those that need it most.
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Speaker 2: Price has tried to have that order done at at
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Speaker 2: least at a Commonwealth level, and she has been repeatedly
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Speaker 2: voted down in the Parliament. Why the secrecy on the money,
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Speaker 2: end the constant lectures about the past and instead force
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Speaker 2: authorities to have the tough conversations about how we men
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal lives today. And hope and pray Australia that police
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Speaker 2: find Jefferson Lewis and that he faces real justice now.
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Speaker 2: Whether or not she believed in my God, I can
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Speaker 2: only pray that this poor little girl tonight is in heaven. Sorry,
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Speaker 2: let's get their headlines out of cabra.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister is vowing to implement all recommendations outlined
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Speaker 3: in the interim Report from the Anti Semitism Royal Commission.
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Speaker 3: Commissioner Virginia Bell delivered it to the Governor General this morning,
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Speaker 3: four months after the Bondi terror attack. The interim report
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Speaker 3: outlines fourteen public and five confidential recommendations that includes strongest
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Speaker 3: security at Jewish events, prioritizing the national gun buyback scheme,
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Speaker 3: and a review of counter terror teams and training for
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister and National Cabinet.
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Speaker 8: What do these recommendations tell you about the failures of
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Speaker 8: your government leading up to the Bondi attack.
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Speaker 9: In terms of the governments legal regulatory frameworks did not
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Speaker 9: hinder the agencies that we are responsible for. There are
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Speaker 9: no urgent changes that are required to keep Australian safe.
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Speaker 3: The Coalition believes the government should have increased counter terrorism
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Speaker 3: resourcing ahead of the Bondie attack.
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Speaker 4: We cannot leave to chance this sort of thing, and
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Speaker 4: with the terror threat level having been raised too probable
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Speaker 4: in August of twenty twenty four. It's something that they
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Speaker 4: should have done.
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Speaker 3: Asked how quickly the government would implement the recommendations, the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister said the government is moving immediately rather than
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Speaker 3: delaying action. The final report is not due until the
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Speaker 3: end of the year, but the Royal Commission can make
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Speaker 3: recommendations at any time.
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Speaker 2: I'll come back to inter report a little later. At
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Speaker 2: first the news as I said that we hope we
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Speaker 2: wouldn't get from the end to police confirming today that
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Speaker 2: a body had been found in the search for the
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Speaker 2: missy young girl, the five year old in Alice Springs.
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Speaker 2: Joining me is someone who has long shone a light
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Speaker 2: on these pretty horrific issues, particularly in and around Aboriginal
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Speaker 2: town camps from the territory. How correspondent Matt Cunningham Matt
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Speaker 2: as I said, this is not the news that everyone
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Speaker 2: who had looked for this little girl had hoped. What's
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Speaker 2: been the reaction this afternoon.
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Speaker 10: Look, I think people are just devastated. To be honest, Peter,
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Speaker 10: I think you're right. For five days we were just
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Speaker 10: hoping and praying that there was going to be a miracle,
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Speaker 10: even though really if we thought about this critically, we
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Speaker 10: knew that that wasn't going to be the case. I
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Speaker 10: think by the time we heard yesterday that police had
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Speaker 10: seized the man's shirt and the girl's underwear near the
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Speaker 10: town camp where she went missing, I think we knew
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Speaker 10: that we were looking at a worst case scenario here,
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Speaker 10: and that was confirmed this afternoon when the Police Commissioner,
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Speaker 10: Martin Dole confirmed that the five year old girl's body
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Speaker 10: had been found about five kilometers from that original crime scene.
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Speaker 10: The police are now turning their attention to the man
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Speaker 10: hunt for this man, Jefferson Lewis, a forty seven year
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Speaker 10: old man with an extensive criminal history, a history of
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Speaker 10: cravated assault, of domestic violence, and now a man who
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Speaker 10: police say is a murderer and likely a rapist as well.
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Speaker 5: Police have issued.
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Speaker 10: A statement we heard from the Assistant Commissioner Peter Maley,
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Speaker 10: who had a message not just for Jefferson Lewis himself,
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Speaker 10: but also for anyone who might be trying to obstruct
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Speaker 10: police as they try to find him.
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Speaker 11: The focus right now is to locate Jefferson Lewis. That
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Speaker 11: is our sole job in this investigation right now. So
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Speaker 11: I say to the family of Jefferson Lewis that we
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Speaker 11: believe he's murdered this child. Do not assist him getting
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Speaker 11: to the police station, and we'll look after him. And
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Speaker 11: I'll say to Jefferson Lewis, We're coming for you.
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Speaker 2: And mat the family and what if they had to say.
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Speaker 10: Well, I was at the town camp last night, Peter
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Speaker 10: to this little girl's grandparents and at the time they
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Speaker 10: were just hoping and praying that she would get home
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Speaker 10: safe and well. We've heard this afternoon through Leanne Little
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Speaker 10: from the Northern Territory Police. She had been liaising this
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Speaker 10: week with the girl's mother and she released a statement
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Speaker 10: this afternoon. She read out a statement on behalf of
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Speaker 10: this little girl's mother and brother.
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Speaker 12: To Kumunja, a little baby. Me and Ramsey miss and
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Speaker 12: love you. I know you are in heaven with the
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Speaker 12: rest of the family, with Jesus and the Father Son
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Speaker 12: and Holy Spirit. Me and your brother will meet you
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Speaker 12: one day. We're giving our lives to Jesus. It is
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Speaker 12: going to be so hard to live the rest of
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Speaker 12: our lives without you. Ramsiah wants to tell you that
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Speaker 12: when he sees you in heaven, he is going to
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Speaker 12: give you the biggest hug ever, love from Mum and
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Speaker 12: Ramsiah Madam.
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Speaker 2: We're going to have a fane him conversation about shutting
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Speaker 2: down these town camps.
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Speaker 5: Well, I don't know, Peter.
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Speaker 10: You know, I've reported on too many of these tragedies
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Speaker 10: over the years, and usually there's some of these issues
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Speaker 10: get highlighted for a week, you know, maybe a couple
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Speaker 10: of weeks sometimes, and then you know, we all move on.
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Speaker 5: And forget about it.
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Speaker 10: I was here in twenty twenty three when the Prime
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Speaker 10: Minister came in when we were seeing crime run absolutely
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Speaker 10: rampant in Alice Springs, And to go to the point
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Speaker 10: you were making before, the solution he offered when he
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Speaker 10: came here was more money, two hundred and fifty million
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Speaker 10: dollars and a lot of people now wonder where that
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Speaker 10: money went. You go back to twenty eighteen when, in
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Speaker 10: what our eerily similar circumstances, I'd have to say to
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Speaker 10: what we've seen in Alice Springs this week.
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Speaker 5: A two year old girl was raped.
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Speaker 10: In Tenant Creek in twenty eighteen, a situation where there'd
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Speaker 10: been a party at the house, the two year old
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Speaker 10: girl had not been properly supervised, and then the unthinkable
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Speaker 10: happened and at the time Malcolm Turnbull eventually flew to
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Speaker 10: ten Creek after there was some significant pressure placed on him,
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Speaker 10: and his response was the Barkley Regional Deer, which was effectively,
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Speaker 10: again more money.
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Speaker 5: I don't think money is going to solve this.
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Speaker 10: That's one thing that just happens time and time again,
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Speaker 10: more money, more money, more money, but no real change.
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Speaker 10: It was interesting to watch the Northern Territories Chief Minister
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Speaker 10: Eleah Finocchiarra give her press conference today. She did say
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Speaker 10: when she was asked about some of these issues whether
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Speaker 10: there needed to be legislative change, she said it was
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Speaker 10: probably too early at the moment. We need to get
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Speaker 10: to the bottom of exactly what has happened here. But
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Speaker 10: she did say that nothing is off the table and
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Speaker 10: to give her her due, you know, she's been in
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Speaker 10: power for less than two years, but she does seem
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Speaker 10: like someone who is committed to make real change in
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Speaker 10: some of these areas.
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Speaker 5: So I mean, we will wait and see.
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Speaker 10: This is an incident that has attracted a lot of
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Speaker 10: national media attention. There are others that don't get as
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Speaker 10: much media attention. I was reporting earlier this year Peter
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Speaker 10: On a case of a thirteen year old girl who
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Speaker 10: pres entered at the Alice Springs Hospital and she was pregnant,
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Speaker 10: and it was found that she had been married off
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Speaker 10: to a twenty eight year old man. You know, that
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Speaker 10: is the sort of thing that Shultz back absolute outrage
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Speaker 10: in this country. There are so many cases like this
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Speaker 10: that you know, we see here in the Northern Territory
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Speaker 10: that probably don't get a lot of attention. But you know,
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Speaker 10: this is a terrible thing that's happened here in Alice Springs,
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Speaker 10: and you know, if one thing maybe can come out
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Speaker 10: of it is that perhaps we finally see some real change.
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Speaker 10: Although I've got to say I'm not hopeful that that
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Speaker 10: will be the case.
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Speaker 2: I'm not hopeful. But if we give up, you know,
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Speaker 2: we can sign a generation to a life that we've
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Speaker 2: just seen stuffed out as it has been that. Honestly,
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Speaker 2: I've had it with the elites. I've had it with
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Speaker 2: the marches in this you know, the city centers and
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Speaker 2: people striking a pose and nothing happening out where you are.
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Speaker 2: And if we didn't have you, if the national media
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Speaker 2: did not have you, Matt Cunningham, these stories would not
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Speaker 2: come to lights. So you know, I know I feel
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Speaker 2: it today actually, and you feel it every single day.
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Speaker 2: So thank you, Matt. Thanks for joining me tonight. All right,
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Speaker 2: let's go to some other news today. And joining me
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Speaker 2: to do that with is my panel Deputy executive director
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Speaker 2: at the IPA, Dan Wild and Sky News contributor Carolie
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Speaker 2: Katz and Barnas. I want to pick up where we
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Speaker 2: obviously were yesterday with inflation spiking up now to four
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Speaker 2: point six percent. The majority of economists, Ross Green was
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Speaker 2: certainly here on the desk last night, said we've got
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Speaker 2: two more rate hikes on the way. So Dan, you
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Speaker 2: know you think then the budget might rain in some spending. Well,
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Speaker 2: it's certainly going to do something on taxes, not tax cuts,
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Speaker 2: but hiking taxes. The Combank says today the charmers is
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Speaker 2: poised to abolish negative geary and the capital gains tax discount.
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Speaker 2: Now CGT has certainly been in the media and the
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Speaker 2: government sort of dancing around that one. They said they
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Speaker 2: would not touch negative gearing. Of course that's what Short
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Speaker 2: lost the election over in twenty nineteen. But they have
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Speaker 2: a real habit of saying no decision has been made
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Speaker 2: until such time The decision is made and it happens anyway.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me if they haven't actually figured out
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Speaker 1: what they're going to do yet. I suspect there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of tension between Jim Chalmers and ALBERESI I think
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Speaker 1: Charmers probably wants to do something. He needs money in
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Speaker 1: the bank to make the budget look better. And sure
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Speaker 1: they're going to trim the ndis and you know that'll
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Speaker 1: make it look a bit better, but as you've said
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Speaker 1: quite rightly, that'll mostly be in relation to the out years,
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Speaker 1: or even outside of the out years, so there'll be
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Speaker 1: a sea of red in the budget no matter what
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Speaker 1: they do. And I suspect Anthony Aberzi, even though in
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Speaker 1: he's his sort of heart of hearts, has no problem
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Speaker 1: hiking taxes. I don't know whether he's up for a
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Speaker 1: political fight on this issue. He saw what happened in
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen when Bill Shorten put some of these policies forward.
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Speaker 1: So you know, quite often Alberzi will withdraw from a
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Speaker 1: debate if he thinks it's going to be heavily contested.
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Speaker 1: We saw that with the proposal to add more members
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Speaker 1: of Parliament into the Federal Parliament and he basically said, well,
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Speaker 1: my campaign manager said it wasn't populous, so I'm not
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Speaker 1: doing it. So it wouldn't surprise me if that same
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Speaker 1: thinking's going on. But you're right, we've got a pretty
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Speaker 1: big problem. Productivity is going down and demand is getting
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Speaker 1: pushed up by this mass migration program and massive government spending.
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Speaker 1: So I don't have a lot of hope that they're
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Speaker 1: going to address those fundamentals.
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Speaker 2: Well, Kroy square this circle for me, because the last
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Speaker 2: time labor touched negative Geary was under Paul Ketty. They
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Speaker 2: had to reverse it quick smart. It had a huge
20:25
Speaker 2: impact on rental stock. It didn't do the things they
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Speaker 2: thought it would do. In fact, it made things a
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Speaker 2: hell of a lot worse. And now you've also got
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Speaker 2: Clara O'Neil. She's the Housing Minister out there admitting that
20:37
Speaker 2: we're likely to have thirty thousand fewer homes built by
20:40
Speaker 2: the decade, thirty thousand against their promise, because she's saying
20:44
Speaker 2: it's all about the Iran War, the.
20:46
Speaker 13: Iran War next with the US Civil War. I mean
20:48
Speaker 13: they're always blaming somebody. You can't tax your way out
20:51
Speaker 13: of a housing shortage supply and the thing is they've
20:55
Speaker 13: been worn by a lot of labor sources as well
20:57
Speaker 13: that any money that they may coup from being able
21:01
Speaker 13: to do this getting rid of negative gearing and capital
21:03
Speaker 13: gains won't be funneled back into being able to create
21:07
Speaker 13: houses and opportunity for young Australians and other people. It
21:11
Speaker 13: just doesn't work and they need to stop their government spending.
21:15
Speaker 13: We saw the massive jump yesterday to four point six percent,
21:19
Speaker 13: that there'll be another couple of interest rate rises. Of
21:22
Speaker 13: course it's not helping anybody. They need to just stop spending.
21:26
Speaker 13: This is not going to help the housing shortage in Australia.
21:29
Speaker 13: They need to have a chat, a proper discussion about
21:32
Speaker 13: the level of migration as well. That is all having
21:35
Speaker 13: an impact. It's becoming a perfect storm. Who is suffering
21:38
Speaker 13: normal Australians.
21:40
Speaker 2: Well, that's got to migration. The issue there Dan the
21:43
Speaker 2: IPA's analysis g that was instructive. First generation migrants totally
21:48
Speaker 2: really nine million of US as a June last year.
21:52
Speaker 2: You can see the change there on the screen since
21:54
Speaker 2: two thousand and five. It's fully one third of our
21:57
Speaker 2: population now people that were born overseas, but also too
22:01
Speaker 2: in the data for the first time ever in our history,
22:04
Speaker 2: Indian migration has overtaken migrants from England in terms of
22:09
Speaker 2: our source country. That's also a big change. Yeah, it is.
22:14
Speaker 1: I mean, so much has changed in this country over
22:16
Speaker 1: the last couple of decades when it comes to our
22:19
Speaker 1: population and demographics, both you know, economically and also socially.
22:24
Speaker 1: I think the thing that grabbed my attention Peter from
22:26
Speaker 1: the data was that we've had more new migrants arrive
22:29
Speaker 1: to our country since the year two thousand than from
22:32
Speaker 1: federation in nineteen oh one to the year two thousand itself,
22:36
Speaker 1: and so in just a generation, we've had more people
22:39
Speaker 1: come here than the century prior to that. And that's
22:42
Speaker 1: what's causing angst in the community. I mean, you look
22:45
Speaker 1: at the social infrastructure, the housing, the roads and so forth.
22:49
Speaker 1: Obviously we've had a lot of social division that's taken
22:52
Speaker 1: place and the complete lack of political leadership. And the
22:54
Speaker 1: problem that we've really got is this division is now
22:57
Speaker 1: baked into Australia's political system because along with a bulcanized society,
23:02
Speaker 1: we have a balkanized political system and we know labor
23:05
Speaker 1: is heavily sectionalized by their pandering to certain migrant communities
23:09
Speaker 1: in order to get votes at the expense of the
23:11
Speaker 1: national interest, and so aside from the economic problems, Labor
23:15
Speaker 1: is loath to want to cut back of the migration
23:17
Speaker 1: program because they're scared of the backlash that they would
23:20
Speaker 1: receive in certain electorates that they rely upon. So we
23:24
Speaker 1: are in a very challenging set of circumstances, and unfortunately
23:27
Speaker 1: we're really lacking the political leadership to fix some of
23:30
Speaker 1: these issues.
23:32
Speaker 2: Caroly. The donation of a plane to Paul Enhansen from
23:36
Speaker 2: Gina Reinhart certainly caused a few headlines. Jim Chalmer says,
23:40
Speaker 2: she's now a wholly owned subsidiary. I think that's pretty rich.
23:45
Speaker 2: They all use donated planes from the rat because of
23:47
Speaker 2: plenty of times himself, and we know the Defense Minister
23:50
Speaker 2: puts his golf clubs in the back. When I looked
23:53
Speaker 2: at this and I looked at the rules, this is
23:55
Speaker 2: an allowed donation. It's fully declared. It also means there's
24:00
Speaker 2: no cost to the taxpayer for her travel, and it's
24:03
Speaker 2: pretty arrogant, I reckon, because she wants to go to
24:05
Speaker 2: places remote in regional Australia where there are no scheduled flights,
24:11
Speaker 2: so what's Labour saying that those people are not entitled
24:15
Speaker 2: to have their say with a politician. Exactly.
24:19
Speaker 13: It's all about controlled honestly. I mean, if Pauline Hanson
24:23
Speaker 13: has held her own for more than thirty years in
24:25
Speaker 13: the Australian political spectrum, let one could say that Labor
24:28
Speaker 13: is a wholly owned subsidiary of the CFMAU and the
24:32
Speaker 13: Labor Union. I mean that is ridiculous, Doctor Chalmers. You
24:35
Speaker 13: don't have time to be commenting on other parties or
24:38
Speaker 13: other politicians. You've created enough issues for normal Australians in
24:43
Speaker 13: this country with your ridiculous policies. You've got a budget
24:47
Speaker 13: coming up, we're all predicting what will be in it.
24:50
Speaker 13: Don't worry so much about Pauline Hanson.
24:52
Speaker 2: Why would you worry? This is one of the.
24:54
Speaker 13: Only times in history that I've seen Anthony Alberanezi and
24:57
Speaker 13: Jim Chalmers go on the direct attack after Pauline Hanson.
25:02
Speaker 13: She's stuck to her guns for thirty years. People know
25:04
Speaker 13: what she stands for. You don't have to agree with her.
25:07
Speaker 13: But suddenly she's gaining some mileage and it shows that
25:10
Speaker 13: they're getting a little bit worried. And as I said
25:13
Speaker 13: in Victoria, we've got fifteen billion dollars of alleged union
25:18
Speaker 13: corruption that's happened in this state, which the Commonwealth will
25:22
Speaker 13: end up having to bail out, which means every single
25:24
Speaker 13: Australian taxpayer will be liable for this. Fix Australia's problems
25:30
Speaker 13: and stop wasting people's hard earned money and stuffing around
25:35
Speaker 13: with intergenerational bits and pieces that you have no right
25:38
Speaker 13: to do. And I'll just say one other thing. Bill
25:41
Speaker 13: Shorten in twenty nineteen went to the electorate and said
25:45
Speaker 13: what he was going to do. So to Chris Bond
25:47
Speaker 13: and said, if you don't like for us, don't vote
25:49
Speaker 13: for us. Absolute arrogance of Jim Chalmers and Anthony Albanezi.
25:53
Speaker 13: Because they have won an election, they've actually said that
25:56
Speaker 13: they won't be touching anything, and they're so arrogant. Everything
26:00
Speaker 13: they see is a complete backflip. And now they are
26:03
Speaker 13: going to stuff around with people's livelihoods.
26:06
Speaker 2: People have saved hard for the last.
26:07
Speaker 13: Thirty or forty years, whether it's superannuation or whatever. They're
26:11
Speaker 13: treating the taxpayer dollars like their own purse when they
26:15
Speaker 13: don't have a clue what it's like for everybody else
26:17
Speaker 13: out there, So Jim Chalmers, don't worry about social media
26:20
Speaker 13: and making comments on Pauline Hanson. Do the job that
26:24
Speaker 13: you're meant to do. Our standard of living is going
26:27
Speaker 13: backwards and I'm fed up with my taxpayer dollars being
26:30
Speaker 13: wasted on these ridiculous green hydrogen renewable schemes that don't work.
26:36
Speaker 2: I will leave it there. There you go. You got
26:38
Speaker 2: your writing instructions. Jim Chalmers, Thank you to you both,
26:41
Speaker 2: dan Well, Curly Katz and Barnas. Before I go, I
26:44
Speaker 2: will mention good on Queensland Christop Buility government. They're taking
26:48
Speaker 2: Twiggy Forest four Diescue Metals group to court. They want
26:52
Speaker 2: sixty six million dollars that they gave them in a
26:55
Speaker 2: green grant returned because it was used for a now
27:00
Speaker 2: defunct factory in Gladstone. That's fantastic, right quick break after
27:05
Speaker 2: the break? No more nice guy, says Donald Trump in
27:07
Speaker 2: a laters threat to de escalate the Iranian war. Class
27:12
Speaker 2: of security expert will weigh in on the Bondait Royal
27:14
Speaker 2: Commissions into a report released today. Welco Aback coming up
27:22
Speaker 2: a former British SAS leader and why Ben Robert Smith's
27:26
Speaker 2: arrest is reverberating even in the UK as their war
27:30
Speaker 2: crimes inquiry into the Battle of Danny Boy has hit
27:33
Speaker 2: the headlines again this week. There are parallels to Australia,
27:37
Speaker 2: but first, overnight, President Donald Trump posting extraordinary aiimage of
27:41
Speaker 2: himself holding a rifle with the caption no more mister
27:44
Speaker 2: nice guy calling on Iran to get its act together
27:48
Speaker 2: and sign a non nuclear deal. It comes as a
27:51
Speaker 2: US State Department is called on allies to form a
27:53
Speaker 2: coalition to help open the Strait of Hormuz. Joining me now,
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Speaker 2: the Australian's Foreign editor Greg Sheridan, Well, I hope if
28:01
Speaker 2: there is a team of people are coalition, Greg, Australia
28:04
Speaker 2: might actually put up its hand and get involved. We'll
28:07
Speaker 2: see if that's likely. But do you think Iran will
28:10
Speaker 2: actually agree to a non nuclear deal?
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Speaker 8: Great to be with you. Look, it's a bit hard
28:17
Speaker 8: to see around agreeing. I mean they'll agree never to
28:20
Speaker 8: have a nuclear weapon. I mean they've made that agreement
28:23
Speaker 8: a thousand times before, so did North Koreas Kim Jong Un.
28:26
Speaker 8: Those agreements aren't worth too Bob. The only thing of
28:29
Speaker 8: consequence would be if they gave up there you know
28:32
Speaker 8: what is the three or four hundred kilograms of enrich
28:37
Speaker 8: enriched uranium. I doubt they're going to do that, because
28:42
Speaker 8: that's a key part of their leverage. I think the
28:44
Speaker 8: blockade is very good policy by the Americans, very good policy.
28:48
Speaker 8: I wish they had done that much earlier in the conflict.
28:53
Speaker 8: The new proposal still seems terribly vague for a coalition,
28:58
Speaker 8: it's not at all clear what the Ericans actually want.
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Speaker 8: The Americans themselves aren't escorting any ships through the Strait
29:05
Speaker 8: of Hormuz.
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Speaker 5: And.
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Speaker 8: I guess they can keep up the blockade for as
29:11
Speaker 8: long as they want to. It's less costly to keep
29:14
Speaker 8: up a blockade than it is to bomb Iran in
29:17
Speaker 8: the way they were doing in the American stuff. On
29:21
Speaker 8: this new proposal, which seems pretty vague, one thing they
29:24
Speaker 8: say is you can be a diplomatic partner. Well, I'm
29:27
Speaker 8: sure Australia will be at least a diplomatic partner, will
29:30
Speaker 8: support the thing. I'm sure we'll do that, but I
29:34
Speaker 8: think really we're still basically at a standoff the two blockades.
29:38
Speaker 8: Trump does seem to be reluctant to resume any military elements,
29:43
Speaker 8: so it's just a question of who can withstand the
29:46
Speaker 8: pain longer. I think Trump or the Iranians.
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Speaker 2: When you talk about the blockade being really good smart
29:53
Speaker 2: policy from the United States.
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Speaker 8: Why is that because it stop Iran from getting all
30:02
Speaker 8: the money it needs to pay its Islamic Revolutionary Guard
30:05
Speaker 8: Corps and to keep its society running. So for most
30:08
Speaker 8: of the course of this war, the United States was
30:11
Speaker 8: actually kind of turning a blind eye to Iran shipping
30:14
Speaker 8: its oil out of out of the Gulf. And the
30:20
Speaker 8: Economist ran a report which looked very authoritative that Iran
30:24
Speaker 8: was actually getting twice as much money from oil exports
30:28
Speaker 8: during the war as it was getting before the war,
30:31
Speaker 8: while it was preventing other ships from going Now, I
30:34
Speaker 8: think the Americans slightly had the idea that they didn't
30:37
Speaker 8: want to restrict even further the supply of oil on
30:40
Speaker 8: the global market. They virtually removed sanctions against the Russians
30:44
Speaker 8: to get Russian oil into the global market. But you
30:47
Speaker 8: put Iran under much You put the Iranian government, I think,
30:50
Speaker 8: under much more pressure by simply turning off their source
30:53
Speaker 8: of revenue than you'd do by bombing them. Because they
30:58
Speaker 8: don't mind if their civilians die. They don't even mind
31:00
Speaker 8: if they die if they can't pay their troops, though,
31:05
Speaker 8: I think that's likely to put them under more pressure.
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Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, thank you, Greg. I want to
31:11
Speaker 2: return down to the interim report of course today, handed
31:13
Speaker 2: down by Virginia bel Shei's Royal Commissioner as part of
31:16
Speaker 2: the Royal Commission into the Bondai massacre, and also anti Semitism.
31:21
Speaker 2: That wasn't a feature of their interim report. Now already
31:24
Speaker 2: the government said they'll implement all of the recommendations. Fourteen
31:28
Speaker 2: are known, five remain confidential. That's to do with national
31:32
Speaker 2: security grounds. Joining mean Now for his reaction, former AFP
31:36
Speaker 2: Detective Superintendent David Craig, Well, David, you know people would
31:42
Speaker 2: have seen some of the key points already out of
31:44
Speaker 2: the report today. There was criticism there about the decline
31:48
Speaker 2: in funding for counter terrorism between the period of twenty
31:51
Speaker 2: twenty to twenty twenty five. Now that's under the watch
31:55
Speaker 2: of this government for most of that time. What were
31:58
Speaker 2: your key takeaways from the the interim today? Does it
32:02
Speaker 2: go far enough?
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Speaker 14: Thanks having me on, Peter. I think the interim report
32:07
Speaker 14: is just the tip of the iceberg. I think it's
32:09
Speaker 14: a breadth of fresh air, and it highlights exactly why
32:13
Speaker 14: the Prime Minister didn't want a Royal commission. They are
32:17
Speaker 14: trotting out this line that the legislative and regulatory frameworks
32:22
Speaker 14: were adequate and couldn't have prevented the Bondai attack, But
32:24
Speaker 14: what that actually means in real terms is that they
32:28
Speaker 14: had the agencies, had all the tools available to prevent
32:32
Speaker 14: that attack, and they didn't. Why didn't they? I say
32:36
Speaker 14: that primary reason, and according to this report, I think
32:39
Speaker 14: we'll find funding was particularly why create terrorism efforts have
32:45
Speaker 14: been having funds diverted away from them in the ASO
32:49
Speaker 14: and the AFP have been diverting away to other other priorities.
32:54
Speaker 14: In response to the two thousand and four increase in
32:57
Speaker 14: the terror threat from probable to to from possible to probable,
33:03
Speaker 14: the government responded by continuing with a part time counter
33:06
Speaker 14: terrorism coordinator. So our nation is probably going to have
33:11
Speaker 14: a terrorist attack and we continue with the part time
33:14
Speaker 14: are in charge. It's appalling. The twenty twenty five Cataterrorism
33:20
Speaker 14: Plan had not one additional die for law enforcement or
33:23
Speaker 14: intelligence agencies in it. Home Affairs decided only to donate
33:27
Speaker 14: money towards the Dear accalization and disengagement, which are you know,
33:32
Speaker 14: they're part of the plan. I think they're overrated and
33:35
Speaker 14: not particularly effective. But why so effectively? This government has
33:39
Speaker 14: been caught dropping the ball in relation to counter terrorism
33:44
Speaker 14: and anti Semitism, well.
33:47
Speaker 2: Particularly counter terrorism, because we know, up until recently, until
33:51
Speaker 2: he was called out in it, the Prime Minister had
33:53
Speaker 2: punted from the National Security Cabinet, the AFP and ASO.
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Speaker 11: Know.
33:58
Speaker 2: If you're going to worry about the best of terrorism,
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Speaker 2: they are or to lead players, and if they're not
34:03
Speaker 2: in the room, they're not able to give advice, they're
34:06
Speaker 2: not able to be part of any decision making. But
34:08
Speaker 2: what also struck me in some of the materials I'd
34:11
Speaker 2: read this afternoon and correct me if I'm wrong here,
34:14
Speaker 2: but that the Terrorism Terrorism Handbook had not been updated
34:19
Speaker 2: and not been made operational since twenty nineteen, and there
34:23
Speaker 2: hadn't been the ct counter terrorism exercises that you would
34:28
Speaker 2: expect Australia would do on the sort of the routine
34:32
Speaker 2: basis that they had been done in the past.
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Speaker 15: Yeah.
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Speaker 14: Look, two things. The cat Terrorism Handbook needs to be updated.
34:41
Speaker 14: There has been vast changes in terrorist tactics over the
34:45
Speaker 14: last few years. And this handbook has not even been
34:48
Speaker 14: reviewed by either government, which is an appalling indictment. I
34:51
Speaker 14: mean terrorists are changing their tactics all the time. We
34:54
Speaker 14: need to be as responsive or more responsive than what
34:56
Speaker 14: the terrorist organizations are. I mean I won't go through
34:59
Speaker 14: all the different is right now because I fear we
35:01
Speaker 14: don't have enough time. But hopefully we'll discuss it again
35:04
Speaker 14: another time. But yes, we used to hold national counter
35:08
Speaker 14: terrorism exercises involving government ministers and the Prime Minister. As
35:13
Speaker 14: you probably remember, John Howard was part of it, so
35:15
Speaker 14: I do remember Operation Noble Act which was a national
35:18
Speaker 14: counter terrorism event exercise. This is necessary so that we
35:24
Speaker 14: have fitness as a nation to respond to things like Bondai,
35:28
Speaker 14: and that we can't drop the ball as this government
35:30
Speaker 14: has done.
35:32
Speaker 2: What about the confidential sections They relate to travel alerts
35:36
Speaker 2: and the coordination consolidation of information likely that relates to
35:41
Speaker 2: the reported trip by the lead shooters to the Philippines.
35:46
Speaker 2: Do you hear that this is a clear breakdown mean
35:49
Speaker 2: of security between agencies because it would appear some new
35:52
Speaker 2: and others didn't.
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Speaker 14: I think that our information sharing will be a primary recommendation,
36:00
Speaker 14: a priority recommendation of this Royal commission. The fact that
36:05
Speaker 14: this person or one was given a firearm license, that's questionable.
36:09
Speaker 14: That the other person was actually targeted for an assessment
36:13
Speaker 14: and deemed as not a threat, and then that assessment
36:15
Speaker 14: has been put on the shelf. Now, what you do
36:18
Speaker 14: with any threat assessment in relation to a terrorist is
36:21
Speaker 14: it's always subject to ongoing and updated information. So when
36:26
Speaker 14: these people left for the Philippines, that was a trip.
36:29
Speaker 14: Why the government missed it should have alerted them that
36:32
Speaker 14: they were going to a terrorist training area. While the
36:36
Speaker 14: Philippine authorities say that there was no evidence of it.
36:38
Speaker 14: There is no evidence anymore because they don't have large
36:41
Speaker 14: territory camps like they did. But that was certainly a trip.
36:44
Speaker 14: Why that we missed and that information should have been
36:47
Speaker 14: shared with AZO on departure, with the AFP and also
36:52
Speaker 14: the state police in relation to firearm licensing.
36:57
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of learning to come. And
36:58
Speaker 2: I mean this is, as you say, the tip the iceberg.
37:00
Speaker 2: There'll be a lot that's wanting I think already from
37:03
Speaker 2: the government in terms of their response. I know the
37:05
Speaker 2: opposition has said we're on a sort of a holding
37:08
Speaker 2: pattern with this. We want to dig into it a
37:10
Speaker 2: lot more deeply and they want to respond in a
37:12
Speaker 2: sober way. I'll look for their response in the next
37:15
Speaker 2: few days and more from experts like you. Thank you, David.
37:18
Speaker 2: David Craig. There after the break Live for the UK
37:21
Speaker 2: to speak with a former SAS leader about Ben Robert
37:23
Speaker 2: smith arrest and how hard it's hitting the forces in
37:27
Speaker 2: the UK. We'll go back coming out the latest on
37:35
Speaker 2: the shocking anti Semitic attack in North London are stabbing
37:38
Speaker 2: in a very Jewish party a Jewish part of the city.
37:42
Speaker 2: But now to that story from News Corps Australia's euro
37:45
Speaker 2: correspondent Sophie Ellsworth starting an interview with former British SAS
37:48
Speaker 2: leader George sim who labeled the arrest of Ben Robert
37:52
Speaker 2: Smith as a disgraceful spectacle, even warning that the public
37:55
Speaker 2: demonization of the decorated soldier risks undermining morale and threatens
38:00
Speaker 2: to drive experienced troops out of the forces altogether. I'm
38:05
Speaker 2: pleased to say the former SAS man was speaking of
38:07
Speaker 2: British Regimental Sergeant Major. George sim joins me, now, well,
38:12
Speaker 2: thank you for coming on the program. Australians have been
38:17
Speaker 2: I think horrified broadly with the treatment of ben Robert Smith,
38:20
Speaker 2: but in particular the nature of the arrest. And it
38:24
Speaker 2: doesn't surprise me that it's gone around the war, around
38:27
Speaker 2: the world, but you've worn the uniform and you say
38:31
Speaker 2: it's really hit hard for other soldiers like you.
38:37
Speaker 15: Well, thanks for having me to explain our cares as
38:40
Speaker 15: it were. Yeah, the case with young Robert Smith, it
38:46
Speaker 15: changs with something that happened last year, and it's part
38:50
Speaker 15: of its symptomatic of a wider problem that I'll quickly
38:53
Speaker 15: go through. But it changed with a dramatic dawn red
38:57
Speaker 15: that happened on two of our young soldiers about sex
39:00
Speaker 15: months ago for crimes that they were supposed to have
39:05
Speaker 15: committed in Afghanistan, which were actually in battle conditions and
39:09
Speaker 15: they were killing the enemy. These raids were conducted on
39:13
Speaker 15: their homes in front of their families, their wives and
39:16
Speaker 15: their kids, and they were all separated. These were armed
39:19
Speaker 15: police service police and civilian police, and it's such an affront,
39:23
Speaker 15: it's a disgrace when in fact what they could have
39:27
Speaker 15: done was say you're going to be interviewed and you
39:29
Speaker 15: need to report such and such, and they would have
39:31
Speaker 15: turned up. Of course, they would their servant soldiers, and
39:34
Speaker 15: they operate under orders.
39:37
Speaker 14: After six months.
39:40
Speaker 2: Please keep going.
39:42
Speaker 15: Oh sorry, after six months there's one still held on
39:46
Speaker 15: bail but there are no charges. Again, is concurrent with
39:53
Speaker 15: the thing that's happening here, which is the Lord jumps
39:56
Speaker 15: into action very quickly and it all becomes very dramatic,
39:59
Speaker 15: and it all has to be set for a particular
40:02
Speaker 15: audience to have an effect, and it is a disgress.
40:06
Speaker 15: It's a visual nonsense designed for a purpose.
40:14
Speaker 2: So I want to ask feel comments that on those revelations.
40:17
Speaker 2: I've covered them on the program this week from London's
40:19
Speaker 2: Telegraph newspaper, the investigation team looking back at that two
40:25
Speaker 2: thousand and four firefight, you know, the Battle of Danny Boy,
40:30
Speaker 2: allegations that British soldiers killed civilians. They were cleared, completely
40:35
Speaker 2: exonerated by the ol Sweety inquiry that was held a
40:39
Speaker 2: lot later. But now we've seen a lot of the
40:42
Speaker 2: documents that sat behind these allegations, and the documents pertaining
40:49
Speaker 2: to the way it was handled in the media say
40:53
Speaker 2: that you know, we've got to beat this up a
40:54
Speaker 2: bit more, make it sexy, turn it into a media story.
40:58
Speaker 2: Even though the admissions of their in these emails that
41:01
Speaker 2: this may not even be true. It put British soldiers
41:05
Speaker 2: and their reputations all the way through the headlines. And
41:08
Speaker 2: we find out that one of the proponents in these
41:11
Speaker 2: emails was a barrister at the time who is now
41:14
Speaker 2: Lord Hermer, who was the Attorney General of Britain.
41:20
Speaker 5: Well, who knew.
41:22
Speaker 15: Installing a human rights jahani because that's what they are,
41:27
Speaker 15: these are religious zealots. And he wasn't even elected in
41:31
Speaker 15: the government. He was installed by the Prime Minister so
41:34
Speaker 15: who actually had worked with him on some of these
41:36
Speaker 15: cases previously. I think you can see how old that works.
41:40
Speaker 15: But putting somebody so ideologically blamed into the highest legal
41:45
Speaker 15: office in the UK made no sense when it happened.
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Speaker 15: I mean everybody said it at the time, rather James
41:53
Speaker 15: with installing Mandelssohn as the ambassador. It just didn't make sense.
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Speaker 15: And as luck would have it, all those who thought
41:59
Speaker 15: it was about idea have been proven right. What's happening
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Speaker 15: is there is a very serious constitutional issue building in
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Speaker 15: this country and it's the it's the relationship because of
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Speaker 15: the effect of this human rights aggression, misguided aggression between
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Speaker 15: the government, the elected government elected by the people and
42:21
Speaker 15: the military who support the same people. It's it is
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Speaker 15: actually very dangerous at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Do you think people will not want to join the
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Speaker 2: military because of this or those they will want to leave?
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Speaker 15: Oh, you know there's in every society because soldiers are
42:41
Speaker 15: quite odd. But but they will stand up and they
42:44
Speaker 15: will rise to the threat. I have no doubt that
42:47
Speaker 15: that will happen. And this is just a phase that
42:49
Speaker 15: we will get through. And to be clear, we are
42:53
Speaker 15: challenging this legal madness that's probably the best term for
42:57
Speaker 15: it in the sea ourselves. And it's quite unusual. Again,
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Speaker 15: it's constitutionally dangerous where you have a regiment of the
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Speaker 15: British Army who's actually taken on their own government. I've
43:08
Speaker 15: never heard of this ever. I haven't seen it recorded
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Speaker 15: in history apart from sort of mutinies and back to
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Speaker 15: sixteen forty and Oliver Cromwell and all that. But we
43:17
Speaker 15: are clear that we think we have a very good case.
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Speaker 15: We think we're doing the right thing and until somebody
43:23
Speaker 15: proves otherwise, we'll carry on doing it. And if the
43:25
Speaker 15: government carries on with this boneheaded application of human rights
43:30
Speaker 15: law in what are war fighting situations, then we're going
43:34
Speaker 15: to judicially review the law when it comes out the
43:36
Speaker 15: other side. And we're also not going to play their
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Speaker 15: game of appearing in these what are effectively short trials.
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Speaker 2: I think you've been my most no nonsense guest in
43:48
Speaker 2: about a month, George, seeing you're very welcome becoming the
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Speaker 2: program any time whatsoever. I think we could talk about
43:54
Speaker 2: a lot more than just military issues that you're pretty frank.
43:56
Speaker 2: It's great to have you on the program. Thank you,
43:59
Speaker 2: no thanks. How good is he Regimental sergeant major? Well,
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Speaker 2: there's no jokes about that?
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Speaker 11: Is it?
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Speaker 2: Sas to boot After the break, we'll stay on some
44:10
Speaker 2: issues out of the UK, of course, that attack against
44:12
Speaker 2: Jews in London's North, the perils of race based politics
44:16
Speaker 2: playing out Louisiana. This is in the state. Very interesting.
44:19
Speaker 2: Stay with me, welcome back. We'll go to those shocking
44:27
Speaker 2: events in London overnight. This is in North London, two
44:30
Speaker 2: Jewish events stabbed on the street. I meanjor surge in
44:32
Speaker 2: anti Semitic tacks. A warning please, this vision is pritty graphic.
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Speaker 2: Police are treating the incident as terrorism and they're investigating
44:40
Speaker 2: possible links to pro Iranian networks. It's sparked criticism, but
44:45
Speaker 2: the Starman government is failing to contain rising anti Semitism.
44:50
Speaker 2: Here to discuss this in more panel it Skindi is
44:52
Speaker 2: contributed Koshagada and former Labor and P Michael Danby. This
44:56
Speaker 2: is Golders Green. You know the area very well. It's
44:58
Speaker 2: sort of London's core field, if I can say that
45:00
Speaker 2: for Melbourne viewers, so heavily populated Jewish area. And this
45:06
Speaker 2: is not the first case. In recent weeks.
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Speaker 16: Simon sebag Montefiroy, who's one of Britain's most famous authors,
45:12
Speaker 16: has just.
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Speaker 2: We're going to get this Jerusalem.
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Speaker 16: The same old cliches from the British government and the
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Speaker 16: Director of Public Prosecutions. It's all rubbish. You know. What
45:22
Speaker 16: they've got to do is cut down extremist immigration to
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Speaker 16: the United Kingdom, which I think is a very widely
45:27
Speaker 16: popular thing in the UK as it is here, and
45:31
Speaker 16: the police have got to start taking action against these
45:34
Speaker 16: people's I mean they had a group of cars with
45:38
Speaker 16: Palestinian and har Musk flags on them, with the Palestinians
45:42
Speaker 16: shouting out that they were going to rape Jewish women
45:45
Speaker 16: and this kind of stuff, and the Director of Public
45:47
Speaker 16: Prosecutions took no action. If you take no action, these
45:50
Speaker 16: kind of things are going to continue to take place.
45:54
Speaker 2: I said of five viewers at home, if you want
45:55
Speaker 2: to read a really good book about Jerusalem, and it's dance.
45:58
Speaker 2: I'm telling it's dance. It's hard going, but it is
46:01
Speaker 2: so so good. Simon CBK Montefiore's book on Jerusalem.
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Speaker 16: And he's written some good books on the Stalin one
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Speaker 16: and two.
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Speaker 2: But then the history of the Middle East is what
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Speaker 2: I really wanted to know when I got it out
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Speaker 2: of that book. Louisiana. We love Louisiana. I do love
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Speaker 2: Baton Rougian places down south. Take me through what's pp
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Speaker 2: me here.
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Speaker 17: So it's a huge ruling today from the Supreme Court
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Speaker 17: because the case went up where people, basically the plaintiffs
46:25
Speaker 17: were alleging that jerry mandering are redistricting based on racial
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Speaker 17: lines is unconstitutional, and there's a statute that they were
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Speaker 17: basing it on with that statute actually goes against the Constitution.
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Speaker 17: The Supreme Court six' three affirm that that is not
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Speaker 17: constitutional and you cannot have race as a basis for doing.
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Speaker 17: IT i Think John roberts wrote in the opinion that
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Speaker 17: it was like a sneak the district that they were,
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Speaker 17: drawing because it was all based on having it be
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Speaker 17: a majority black, district which then leads to a certain
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Speaker 17: representation In congress that favors The. Democrats so this.
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Speaker 2: Is a big deal with long term is Very. Amanda,
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Speaker 2: basically that's what it.
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Speaker 17: Is and this ruling came down a door to redistricting
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Speaker 17: correctly in a colorblind, manner which should long term Help
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Speaker 17: republicans regain states in the seats in The south where
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Speaker 17: it tends to be much more Leaning, democrat even though
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Speaker 17: that doesn't actually reflect the actual population color blind population
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Speaker 17: in those.
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Speaker 16: States people In australia don't understand that the state legislatures
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Speaker 16: in completely undemocratic way district these areas in all states
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Speaker 16: and an independent electoral commission like we, do Sorry.
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47:37
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Speaker 16: the director of THE fbi got himself in such partisan
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Speaker 16: position where people suspect him of having ulterior motives and
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Speaker 16: sort of bad motives in. This it's not something that.
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Speaker 16: PREVIOUSLY i, MEAN i know the original director of THE
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Speaker 16: agencies will like the ones run by Mister Richardson.
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Speaker 2: Cop did you see?
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Speaker 17: on those issues that happened because the statute of limitations have,
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Speaker 17: to find other ways to basically hold him.
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