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#1527 Patrick Deepfakes Harps - Patrick Bonello · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I'll get a team mcraig, Anthony Harper, Patrick, James Bonillo.
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  Speaker 1: The name of the show is the You Project. Every
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  Speaker 1: second week, young Patrick and I just saddle up, usually
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  Speaker 1: young Tiff and is Tiffin? Who's Tiffin? Sounds like some
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  Speaker 1: kind of stage show. Usually Tiff is here, She's not today,
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  Speaker 1: So it's just us two alpha males just fucking holding
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  Speaker 1: down the fort. But he reckons more alpha male.
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  Speaker 2: You or me, ah, neither of us. Fritz, that's true.
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  Speaker 2: I think it said he's nuts cut off? Can I
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  Speaker 2: just ask a question? How can I never do the opener?
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  Speaker 2: I know it's your show, and.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start again. Let's start again? Okay, yep, hey groovers,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the You Project. I'm joined by one of
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  Speaker 1: the people I most respect in all the world. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: I am humbled in his presence and in a lot
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  Speaker 1: of ways I wish I was him. Not only is
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  Speaker 1: he smarter, better looking, and more talented, he shares the
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  Speaker 1: same birthday with the Dali Lama, which goes a long
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  Speaker 1: way to explaining who he is. So, without further ado,
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  Speaker 1: welcome back to the You Project. Patrick Bonello.
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  Speaker 2: Hey ha, good? Was that fuck?
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  Speaker 1: And? Hell? Now I know what you did. I'm quite terrified.
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  Speaker 1: Tell people I did not know that was coming. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: that wasn't me saying that? Wow? When did you do that?
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  Speaker 1: And how explain to people what that was?
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  Speaker 2: So I subscribed to a service called eleven Labs. It's
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  Speaker 2: an AI voice generator. I sampled just one minute of
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  Speaker 2: your voice from one of your podcasts. I uploaded it
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  Speaker 2: and then I profiled you. So I put middle aged
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  Speaker 2: Australian male, just a very brief descriptions, you know, deep voice,
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  Speaker 2: that sort of stuff, and it generated that so effectively.
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  Speaker 2: I could you could give me a sentence now and
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  Speaker 2: I could get you to say it back in AI.
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  Speaker 2: Something simple.
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  Speaker 1: That's all right. I've got a big crush on Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: right my type. I don't know that this is very
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  Speaker 1: good live, but anyway, here we go, Here we go. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: I've got a big crush on Patrick.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, not as good? That is it?
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  Speaker 1: It's not bad?
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  Speaker 2: Drop it back, let me try again.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a big crush on Patrick. It's kind of
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  Speaker 1: it's good until it gets to your name.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So what you can do is you can keep
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  Speaker 2: uploading additional audio and then as it profiles your voice,
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  Speaker 2: then it'll be able to get it a lot better. Like,
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  Speaker 2: for example, I don't think you remember saying this earlier,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm sure you said this earlier. Craig.
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  Speaker 1: It just occurred to me that if all of our
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  Speaker 1: listeners sent Patrick five dollars each, I will match that
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  Speaker 1: with whatever we come up with. Fuck you, fuck you
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  Speaker 1: and your AI skills.
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  Speaker 2: So I might throw a few of these just randomly
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  Speaker 2: through the show, just when it you know, if a pause,
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  Speaker 2: I'll just throw something in.
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  Speaker 1: That is very funny and a little bit terrifying. I've
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  Speaker 1: never thought, I think it's I've seen that done to
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  Speaker 1: other people. I did not expect anyone to be doing
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  Speaker 1: that to me anytime soon. But thanks for introducing the
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  Speaker 1: world to that. Thanks for giving people that idea. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: how long did that take? I mean you're very tech savvy,
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  Speaker 1: but how long did that take for you to figure that? Like,
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  Speaker 1: you could literally do a whole podcast of me when
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  Speaker 1: I'm not even present.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you could do both of us and then just
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  Speaker 2: create it and put it together. It would take a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of work, but they are getting so much better.
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  Speaker 2: And an answer to your question, probably having never used
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  Speaker 2: the software, never done anything with it before, I would say,
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  Speaker 2: maybe three or four minutes. Once I found the clip
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  Speaker 2: and uploaded it, it profiled it with a short amount
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  Speaker 2: of time. I took the phrase, typed it up for
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  Speaker 2: the intro to the show, and then I played it
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  Speaker 2: through about four times, and you can alter it, and
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  Speaker 2: then I've chose the one I thought sounded the best.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, so you could get some famous speech and get
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  Speaker 1: me to say that famous speech. So could you just
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  Speaker 1: upload the upload the dialogue and then is that how
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  Speaker 1: it works?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I can type anything, so I can either
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  Speaker 2: type it in or I can just copy and paste,
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  Speaker 2: hit the generate speech button, and off it goes.
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  Speaker 1: Now some famous there's some famous Star Wars quote, like
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  Speaker 1: in a Galaxy Far far whatever. This is probably not
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  Speaker 1: something we should do in the middle of recording a podcast, everyone,
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  Speaker 1: but fuck it. Stand by, Let's see what happens. Is
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  Speaker 1: there some wrong in this one? The force is strong
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  Speaker 1: in this one.
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  Speaker 2: There you go, Well, it kind of sounds funny you're
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  Speaker 2: saying that because I know you.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't give it any inflection, does it? Like, there's
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  Speaker 1: no emotion. It's very it's very flat. The force is
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  Speaker 1: strong in this one. That's a little bit better. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's what did you do? Then?
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  Speaker 2: Like what? Yep, there's more variable, so you can either
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  Speaker 2: make it more stable or more variable. So there's there's
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  Speaker 2: three controls. There's similarity, stability, and then style exaggeration yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 2: wow wow, and then you can use other languages as well.
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  Speaker 1: Force is strong in this one.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't sound too bad, does it.
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  Speaker 1: That's not too bad. It's not too bad. Interesting, you
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  Speaker 1: are interesting, you are all right? Well, I'm sure we'll
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  Speaker 1: jump in and out of fake me through the show.
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait to see how you're going to fucking,
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  Speaker 1: you know, destroy me as we move on. What are
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  Speaker 1: we talking about in today's episode? If Patrick does typ
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  Speaker 1: one of my favorite porn films.
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  Speaker 2: My next big gadget I reckon and I've been looking
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  Speaker 2: at these quite closely. Ironically, they're glasses, so I guess
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  Speaker 2: you would be. But smart glasses. Now, there are two
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  Speaker 2: different types of smart glasses when we think about them.
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  Speaker 2: One is where we talked and we've talked about the
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  Speaker 2: augmented reality ones where it's super composes a picture. They're
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  Speaker 2: not quite there yet, but aahweh has released a new
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  Speaker 2: version of what they call their eyewear two and what
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  Speaker 2: I like about it is you can wear the glasses
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  Speaker 2: and you can use them just every day. They last
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  Speaker 2: about eleven hours on charge, which is pretty a long time.
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  Speaker 2: You don't need to have earphones plugged in, so you
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  Speaker 2: can use them as your virtual assistance, so you could,
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  Speaker 2: you know, call somebody, use them as a hands free
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  Speaker 2: device you But what I really like about the Huawei
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  Speaker 2: Ones is they've come up with a posture kind of assistance.
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  Speaker 2: And what it does is will actually look at your
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  Speaker 2: posture or work out whether you're slouching and then remind you.
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  Speaker 2: So it will monitor so it actually is able to
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  Speaker 2: check on your posture. And it's got a lot of
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  Speaker 2: features built into it, so you know you they're lightweight,
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  Speaker 2: they're comfortable, and you can tap it to play music,
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  Speaker 2: you can make calls.
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  Speaker 1: And you missed out a chunk of info, like you
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  Speaker 1: just said glasses, So it's not glasses. Yeah, there's glasses,
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  Speaker 1: but is it a phone? What is it?
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  Speaker 2: It pairs to your phone, So if you imagine the
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  Speaker 2: glasses you've got on now, you just touch the arm
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  Speaker 2: of the glasses to activate it, and you could say,
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  Speaker 2: be walking and it would be giving you directions turn
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  Speaker 2: left at the next street, that sort of stuff. So
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  Speaker 2: anything that your phone can do, you can be able
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  Speaker 2: to connect your glasses to as your smart assistant. So
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  Speaker 2: take phone calls, make phone calls, all that sort of stuff,
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  Speaker 2: and just listen to me music. One of the things
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  Speaker 2: I like about this is you know, quite often you
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  Speaker 2: see people with earbuds and you wonder how dangerous that
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  Speaker 2: is because they can't hit traffic and it's easy to
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  Speaker 2: kind of be lost in your own world. The good
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  Speaker 2: thing is that this because they're not plugged into your
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  Speaker 2: ear and they conduct through the top of your ear.
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  Speaker 2: It means that if the doorbell goes, or if you're
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  Speaker 2: walking down the street, you can still hear things around you.
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  Speaker 2: So I kind of like that feature as well.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't Huawei the brand that got booted out of Australia
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  Speaker 1: and the US their phones?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was there, Well, not the phones. You can
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  Speaker 2: still buy Wa Hwei phones but you can't. It was
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  Speaker 2: more the high end stuff they were using for telecommunications.
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  Speaker 2: So they had a big contract in Australia to provide
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  Speaker 2: telecommunication technology and both Australia and in China. The big
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  Speaker 2: concern is not so much well, I mean, there was
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  Speaker 2: some controversy around Huawei, but it was more that you
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  Speaker 2: can't guarantee in China that a large company isn't getting
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  Speaker 2: nudged and looked at by Beijing. That's the problem with
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  Speaker 2: the communist government is and that's the big concern. Soanies
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  Speaker 2: like Dji, the drone manufacturer, they've pulled out all drones
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  Speaker 2: from the US high end drone markets, so where they're
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  Speaker 2: using them in say law enforcement or fires and things
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  Speaker 2: like that, and they're doing the same in Australia as well,
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  Speaker 2: So they're saying they don't want the potential for China
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  Speaker 2: to be monitoring what these drones are doing. Effectively, it's surveillance.
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  Speaker 2: There's no suggestion and Dji I kind of feel for
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  Speaker 2: those companies because if they're doing the right thing and
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  Speaker 2: they're saying, well, we're not actively monitoring you, but there's
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  Speaker 2: no way to really believe it. And the suggestion is
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  Speaker 2: that well, if Beijing walks up to the front door,
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  Speaker 2: and I mean that in general terms, someone representing the
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  Speaker 2: government knocks on the door and sees, we want all
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  Speaker 2: your records, well, you know, do they have any ability
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  Speaker 2: to be able to say no? And that's the question, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I just googled it because I didn't believe you, But
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  Speaker 1: you are right. Australia has been Huawei Technology Co. From
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  Speaker 1: supplying equipment for Australian five G mobile. Why would I
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  Speaker 1: ever fucking doubt you. That's why have you Australian five
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  Speaker 1: G mobile network, citing national security risks. But they have
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  Speaker 1: not banned the phones.
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  Speaker 2: Correct, yep, okay, okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, Well there you go. But apparently their phones are great.
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  Speaker 1: They're high end phones are meant to be great.
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  Speaker 2: They're really good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I've got a friend that was just we were comparing photos.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to chat about this on the show
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  Speaker 2: at some point. I've got some gorgeous photos and I
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  Speaker 2: think I sent you a couple of the aurora, the
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  Speaker 2: southern Aurora that we had last weekend. I was just
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  Speaker 2: lucky to be at the right place at the right
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  Speaker 2: time and got some gorgeous photographs and just that beautiful
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  Speaker 2: red and green glow. Fritzie and I went out there.
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  Speaker 2: He jumped in the car with me. We drove out
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  Speaker 2: about I don't know five minutes away, were in total darkness,
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  Speaker 2: and it was gorgeous. It was great. Got some really
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  Speaker 2: nice photos. But for a lot of people who may
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  Speaker 2: have been out there and wondered why they weren't seeing
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  Speaker 2: in real life what our phones were actually showing when
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  Speaker 2: we took photos. So the photos I sen chew and
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  Speaker 2: for all of us have been on social media and
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  Speaker 2: had a look on all those photos. You may say, well,
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  Speaker 2: they didn't look anything like that, But when I took
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  Speaker 2: the photo, it looked amazing, and that was the case
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  Speaker 2: for me as well, and it was interesting. I did
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  Speaker 2: a bit of research and there are a number of
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  Speaker 2: reasons why, and one of them, of course, is that
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  Speaker 2: they take an extended exposure. In my case, my phone
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  Speaker 2: took a six second exposure to get the image. But
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  Speaker 2: the other thing is that the cones inside our eye,
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  Speaker 2: the light receptors in our eye, when it gets really dark,
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  Speaker 2: they effectively switch over from one sensor to another sensor,
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  Speaker 2: and one of them is about to get as much
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  Speaker 2: information and to pull in as much light, so it
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  Speaker 2: kind of drops the use of color and goes to
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  Speaker 2: almost black and white. So if you're stumbling around at
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  Speaker 2: night and you've only got a faint glow in your room,
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  Speaker 2: more than likely you will you will see in much
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  Speaker 2: more muted tones. So if you're standing out looking out
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  Speaker 2: at what we saw as the aurora. Effectively, what you're
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  Speaker 2: looking at is something that's much more muted because you're
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  Speaker 2: just not getting enough light to the receptors in the
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  Speaker 2: back of your eye as well. So that's the reason
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  Speaker 2: why most people's phones showed some really awesome pictures, but
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  Speaker 2: you weren't seeing the aurora look anywhere near in the
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  Speaker 2: quality that your phone was taking pictures of.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at that picture that you sent me right now.
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  Speaker 1: I'm wondering if I might I don't know if I'll
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  Speaker 1: be able to use that in the promo for the show,
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  Speaker 1: But it does look it looks it literally looks like
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  Speaker 1: something made up. It looks like something sci fi because
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  Speaker 1: there's there's just this blend that starts at the top
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  Speaker 1: being almost black through to this burgundy indigo color, goes
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  Speaker 1: into this light green dark green, and then but down
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  Speaker 1: through the middle of that, it's almost like there's shards
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  Speaker 1: of light and it looks it looks like a computer
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  Speaker 1: generated thing. Doesn't look like a photo at all. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm feeling dumb at the moment. Can you explain that
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  Speaker 1: to me like I was a three year old? I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: could you stop playing fake me. People are not going
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  Speaker 1: to go what's real? No, what's real and fake me?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's although what you've said it seems kind of
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  Speaker 2: on par don't you reckon?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I know what it is. Yeah, I am dumb though,
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  Speaker 1: but thanks thanks for making me. Of course you were right.
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  Speaker 1: I'm always wrong and you are one hundred percent right
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  Speaker 1: all the time. Huh oh god. How many of those
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  Speaker 1: do you have? Ah?
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  Speaker 2: There a couple more?
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  Speaker 1: All right? Now, before we go on with your little
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  Speaker 1: kind of little that isn't it? Don't you hate it
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  Speaker 1: when people say your little thing? Last week you and I.
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  Speaker 2: Had no one's ever said that, Tommy greg Yeah, you're
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  Speaker 2: right right, John Holmes.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's going to be googling that now. A couple of
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  Speaker 1: weeks ago, last time we were together, we had a bet.
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  Speaker 1: I can't even remember what the bet was about, but
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  Speaker 1: that was something to do with something that Tiff would know.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it was a picture of Richard Nixon. I sent
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  Speaker 2: you a picture of Richard Nixon. You forwarded that picture
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  Speaker 2: to Tiff and I said, of course Tiff will know
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  Speaker 2: who that is, and you said, not a chance. It
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  Speaker 2: started to ten dollar bet and then you doubled it
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  Speaker 2: to twenty dollars and I burned and crashed and burned.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you did crash and burn. And then this week
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  Speaker 1: I went outside and just under my gate was an
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  Speaker 1: Australia Post parcel and it was like weird. It was
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: shaped like a thick, fat long sausage roll and I
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  Speaker 1: picked it up and it felt like a very thick
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  Speaker 1: fat sausage roll and it was kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of felt like a John Holmes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was limp and heavy, speaking of John Holmes.
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  Speaker 1: And I opened it and it said from Bland, from
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  Speaker 1: the Tooth Fairy. And I'd forgotten all about our bet.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I didn't know until today when Melissa enlightened
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: me because she'd listened to the show. And I said,
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  Speaker 1: Patrick sent me like a fucking million five cent pieces,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: and I got, I got this this, Well, let's see,
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  Speaker 1: you sent me apparently twenty dollars worth, and there's twenty
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  Speaker 1: and that so twenty times twenty, so four hundred and
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  Speaker 1: five cent pieces.
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  Speaker 2: I guess was it actually healers?
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  Speaker 1: Was it actually twenty bucks?
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  Speaker 2: Because it was twenty bucks and it cost me. What
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  Speaker 2: you'll really enjoy is it cost me eleven bucks to
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  Speaker 2: send it to you.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I said to her. It must have cost
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  Speaker 1: nearly that much to send it because it weighed a lot.
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  Speaker 2: It did one point.
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  Speaker 1: And also it's been brought to my attention by you
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  Speaker 1: that you're actually breaking the law and doing that.
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  Speaker 2: So I went to the bank, called the bank first,
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  Speaker 2: our local little community branch, and said if you got
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  Speaker 2: twenty bucks in five cent pieces, and they kind of
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  Speaker 2: umed an out for a little bit and said, yeah, sure,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: come in and grab them. So I went in there
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  Speaker 2: and they gave them to me in all these cute
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  Speaker 2: little neat bags, and I've got my post pack and
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  Speaker 2: I'm just opening up the bags, tipping them in, open
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: up the bag, tipping in. And then I went to
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  Speaker 2: the post office and the girls at the post office
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  Speaker 2: were pissing themselves laughing when I told them what it
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  Speaker 2: was for. And then after i'd sent it to you,
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  Speaker 2: of course, I started telling lots of people what i'd done,
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  Speaker 2: because you know, I'm trying to get a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a pat on the back for myself. And someone said
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  Speaker 2: to me, you know that's illegal. I said, what because
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  Speaker 2: the post office accepted it, And so I did a
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  Speaker 2: good search and yeah, it's illegal to send any sort
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  Speaker 2: of cash via mail delivery service.
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  Speaker 1: Who would have thought, I wonder why no idea? I
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  Speaker 1: guess because they don't want that to be a common
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  Speaker 1: practice because if if the bad guys think that there's
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  Speaker 1: money floating around in the mail, then there are Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it kind of makes sense, but I don't see why
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  Speaker 1: you should get penalized if you're if you're the one
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  Speaker 1: pinching money, but if you're the one putting money, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you should I get penalized. Where we
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: going next? Obi wan?
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Can I be well? Look, I guess I was really
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: interested in a couple of health related stories talking about
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  Speaker 2: AI because Google has got its AI interface called Gemini,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: and what they're saying is it's going to really help
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: blind people, so people who are vision impaired. And there's
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: two little things that I thought was really cool. It's
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: called talkback and it's using generative AI, and what it
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: means is that it will be able to run offline. Okay,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: So one of the biggest issues with AI at the
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: moment is that it's a giant service somewhere, and there's
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of controversy over how much you know that
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: data generating costs in terms of power and is there
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: a real impact. But this language model is actually designed
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: for people with low vision, and it creates descriptions of
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: objects for blind users, but it runs totally off the
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: cloud and on the device itself, so they would be
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: able to refer back to articles of clothing. They can say, well,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: this is a close up of a T shirt and
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: so it.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Will but people are blind, what do you mean They
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: can say this is a close up, Well, because you
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: would use so it's describing.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it describes, it describes it's seen, so right, yeah, yeah,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: And it can get really really quite specific. It's not
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: just this is address, but this is a floral dress
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: and it's green and red and it has fringes and
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. And they're doing the training of
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: the AI with quite a fair bit of my neuche.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: So if you're going shopping and your vision impaired, this
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: could be really really useful, even just matching clothing colors
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: and that sort of thing. And I guess the other
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: thing I love about it is it makes people a
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: lot more independent, so there are less inhibitions because it
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: is harder for people to shop, and we take it
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: for granted. I mean, you work so hard to look
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: so uncoordinated, says he who's wearing a rainbow colored and
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: a black tea.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Hey, fuck you, Brad Pitt, just fuck now, talk about
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: the clock calling the kettle black. Mister Cardigan wearing fucking
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: beret wearer.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: I'm not wearing a beret or a cardigan today.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just today. You're wearing an ABC logo on
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: a T shirt.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: That's because I started doing Actually no, it's a Pride
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: logo because today's idahol a day. But also today I
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: started doing a regular segment on ABC Regional Radio.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Can I tell you that I have a fan I
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: won't say his name, but I have a fan on
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: my IG who's very very keen to catch up with me,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: sending me nice messages.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: That's nice.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: He's a bit of a sweetheart too, he's nice.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I know no friendship. I'm thinking friendship
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: that you doesn't have to go. I mean, he knows
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: it doesn't.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Is requesting a bit more than friendship, But that's all right.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Personally, training.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: There's something like that. That's yeah, yeah, that's I might
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: pour it into you. Thanks for that, friends though, and
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: go on.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: No, so I was just saying how exciting this is
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: and using things like AI offline to be able to
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: assist people who are vision impaired. And the other thing
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: that relates to this, there's a Seattle startup at the
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: moment and they've got this really really really cool gadget
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: called one court. So if you imagine you're sitting down
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: at a sporting game, or you're watching a sporting game tennis,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: you know, grid iron or whatever it happens to be,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: and you lay your hands on the screen if your
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: vision impaired, and it gives you haptic feedback of what's
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: actually happening on the court. So if you're playing tennis,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I could you could feel it and the vibrations match
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: what's being played out on the court.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Oh wow wow yeah yeah, actual you're watching good. What
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: if you're watching a porno? Does it do the same?
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: You had to go there, didn't you? No?
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I choose to. You know, by the way,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: everyone Patrick, that was he? That was fake me? That
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: wasn't real MEE.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Say that? Yeah that was Patrick.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: So now I can get you in trouble just quickly
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: before we move on. You know what I like about
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: those the glasses that essentially describe what's happening in front
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: of people. Think about the potential applications for safety, you know,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: crossing the road, holes in the footpath, you know, obstacles
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: like that's a pretty cool application as well.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a nice little seguay because there's a really
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: great story about a guy in the United States who.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Would just point out to put everyone how much you
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: just fobbed me off? Then did I you went?
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: You went established that, she went. Yeah, it was my topic.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I was telling you how exciting it is.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: You were talking about choosing fucking clothes. No, like, oh,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: here's a close up of a T shirt? What about
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: saving someone's life, your dickhead.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: You gave me the perfect segue to the next segment.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: It's a really keep.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Going, say keep going segway. Boy.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: So this, this guy in the United States got a
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: black T shirt with just a stop sign on the
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: front of it and then just stood by the side
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: of the road and autonomous cars was stopping because they
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: thought he was a stop sign.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: That's great, isn't it.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I near'd like it.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: That's but also, I mean, I wonder if he could
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: get charged with anything.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Right years I don't know. So this guy's his name's
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Jason Carr is from Arizona. And look, I think he
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: was doing it to prove a point. So Waimo is
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: the company that has robotaxis and they're running tests at
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: the moment. So initially he just stood at the edge
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: of the road, and yeah, the car came to a
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: complete stop, and then it eventually resumed driving once he
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: walked away or hid the T shirt. But look, he
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: said that it was something that he was doing. It
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: was a bit of a publicity stunt, I guess, or
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: you know, to kind of to be able to emphasize
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: a point that these self driving vehicles still have a
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: long way to go to differentiate between a sign on
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: a stick by the side road and an intersect and
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: just someone standing in a T shirt. But yeah, I
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: mean my first reaction was to have a bit of
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: a chuckle as well. But it does show, you know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: the risks of how an autonomous system like that and
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: a vehicle is a major heavy vehicle, you know, particularly
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: if it's an electric powered vehicle. They're even heavier, aren't they.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: You can you can fool them, And there was all
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: the controversy a few years ago, well not that long ago, actually,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: over whether or not the totally autonomous driving of the
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Tesla's was able to pick up a child and differentiate
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: between a child walking across the road, and so there
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: was again a little bit of controversy around that. At
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, we want to make sure
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: we've got driver safety. But the current driver safety that's
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: built into a lot of vehicles is phenomenal. I know
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I'm always crying about this, but it is good. It's
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: getting better. It means that people are less likely to
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: fall asleep at the will because their car will notify
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: them if they not off or if they drift out
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: of their lane, and that's got to be good.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the challenges I think though, is that
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: some of the cars are so high tech. Now. I
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: love cars, I love motorbikes. I watch reviews all the time,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: as you know, which is ironic because I drive a
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: fucking old Suzuki Swift. But you know, like I haven't
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: had a nice car for years because I kind of
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: went through a phase. But I still love watching reviews,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: and I've been watching lots of reviews lately on new
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: fancy cars, electric cars, and I watched this guy testing
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: a car called the Tank five hundred, which is essentially
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: the size of a Land Cruiser. It's Chinese. It looks
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: like a two hundred thousand dollars car at seventy grand,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: give or take, except one of the problems. And he
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: jumps in and he's talking, and he takes off and
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: he's been driving for one hundred meters and the car
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: tells him you're tired, pull over and have a rest. Right.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: It keeps telling him because it's got all of these
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: senses that it can allegedly sense fatigue or tiredness or
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: however it does. And so every two hundred meters that
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: was telling him to pull over because he was tired,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: and he just literally jumped in and started driving. So
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: they're sorting out the kinks. But you know, I wonder,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: like I kind of love the fact that I have
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: a five year old car that's kind of basic. You know.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: It's like there's I don't need to be a buddy
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: tech journeius to be able to get in it and
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: operate it.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I love the more safety you have in
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: a car, but I still love to drive a manual
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: every now and again. I love, you know, stick shift.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: It's nice to go through the gears and feel the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: car and know when to change. And as you know,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: you've driven sticks many times on the power of the vehicle,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: you remember the term powerband. Yeah, and I love that.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I love the people of our generation understand what that means.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: And the other thing is, I've taught a lot of
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: people to drive in my Nissan on this had NXR coop.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: And the good thing about teaching a young person how
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: to drive and a manual is they have a lot
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: more respect for how an engine works, because you know
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: that when you go from first gear to second gear
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: to third gear, you can feel and hear how your
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: engine is being taxed and how much effort the engine
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: is going through and the car. I like that, And
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not a petrol head by a long shot, but
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I still love the feeling. And a friend of mine
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: she had to look for so many different models before
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: she was even able to purchase a manual car. I
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: think the WRX is one of the few cars on
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: the road that still is a manual. It's very very
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: hard to buy a manual.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: View. Yeah, mine's manual. Mine's five speed. It's a little
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: one point four turbo little Suzuki sport. It's great, It's great.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Here's something that caught my eye. I don't know why
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: researchers build AI driven sarcasm detector.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Oh I.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Was that built for me?
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: It feels like it doesn't it It really, really really
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: does that. There is a seriousness behind this because being
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: able to detect sarcasm. I know we call it the
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: lowest form of whip, but I believe also it shows intelligence.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Potentially maybe, but evidently knowing sarcasm means your interaction with
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: people is a lot more natural. So what it means,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: So this is some researchers who have basically looked at
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: sarcasm as a way to make the AI model understand
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: more about how language works. And sarcasm can be hard
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: to detect even if you're just an average person. But
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: if you're trying to train an AI model to be
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: more clever to understand how people work, the sarcasm director
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: detect certainly has a lot of benefits. So I kind
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: of like it that it's an interesting idea, and then
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: when you start to dig down a little bit deeper,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense because we have a
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: lot of nuances in communication and in our conversation, I mean,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: look at my shows when we get let's face it.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's why we have people who love it
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: and people who hate it. Speaking of sarcasm. This afternoon,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I had a meeting with my senior academic supervisor, Chris,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: and my other supervisor, Lucy, and another guy called Campbell
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: who helps with analytics and data and shout out to Campbell,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: and and anyway, we're all on this call and we're
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out we're talking about this, you know,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: looking at I won't bore everyone, but we're looking at
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: different variables that we could correlate with what too, Sorry, anyway,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: we're thinking, we're talking about different things that we could
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: correlate with or explore, being a relationship between meta accuracy
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: and so meta accuracy and age meta accuracy and income
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: metaaccuracy and all these different things. And I said, like,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: as you know, Sarka as a manajoke, I go, what
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: about meta accuracy and star scigens and like every like
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: maybe virgos are really fucking good at it, right, or
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: capricorns maybe they can just you know, they're great at this.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: And all three of them just looked at me like
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I was a complete fuck with and Chris, my senior supervisor,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: didn't even respond and he just kept he just kept talking,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Oh and ah, there it is, and that's probably why
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't be in this environment anyway, keep going, I'm
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: really getting bored.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: No, oh, I didn't pick up and that I said
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: no instead of now, oh, there you go. Keep going. Yeah,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: that was it. That was just the sarcasm thing. I
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: thought it was great. Do you Another little AI story
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: that I had to kind of throw in here is
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: how people are using AI now for insurance fraud. Did
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: you see that? It came up a little while ago.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: So what they're doing, yeah, because when you put in
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: an accident claim, you show your vehicle and the damage.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: And thankfully I haven't had too many accidents, but I
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: did head a kangaroo in my new car after they
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: had it three months and wow, yeah, it was a
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: really messy hit. And I look it was already dead
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: on the road, because that would have made me even
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: more distressed if it had been alive and I was
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: responsible for killing it. But that's it. Yet took out
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: a big chunk of the front of my car. But
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: what people are doing is they're actually faking claims by
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: putting a picture of their car into AI and say,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: put a DNT in the front right fender and then
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: submitting it. Really, so insurance companies are now and this
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: was a study in the UK done by Alliance, and
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: they're saying that what they're having to do is now
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: really look closely at accidents because they may be what
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: they call shallow fakes. So we've heard of deep fakes.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: This is a shallow fake. So it's yeah, it's not
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: always convincing. And and look, some of them can be close.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: But it wouldn't even have occurred to me to do
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: something like this, you know. It's funny some people just
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: think that way. So yeah, that was an interesting one.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's going to happen. Stuff like that's
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: going to happen more and more, isn't it. How do
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: we use this technology to shaft people, to embezzle, to
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: you know, create some kind of unfair advantage you know, Yeah,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: that's gonna it's not going away.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that's a thing now. Crago yep, And
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I look, there were there's been a twenty nine percent
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: increase in fraud reported, you know, according to this particular
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: report by Alliance and and so it's happening a lot more.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: And they talked about a van and they showed a
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: picture of this van free Ai and post Ai and
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: the person have created a dint in the in the
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: side of the car. So yeah, it's it's a thing.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Are we giving people bad bad ideas? Though?
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I think the ideas were already out there?
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, good?
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to know why Pizza Hut got fined
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: two and a half million bucks.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I know the I kind of feel that this is
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: a very important message that the you know that the
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: authorities are dishing out to companies like this, Oh, dishing
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: out like a pizza.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: No pun intended when you said that, I thought of that.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, can you get spam on a pizza?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Oh? Tish book?
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: It's getting, isn't it.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think you want like our our older folk,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: our older listeners know what spam is, but probably our
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: forty and under brigade they wouldn't know what spam is.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Patrick, Yeah, so spam in a can that was just
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the meat. Well, I don't think
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: anybody knows what's inside spam. They put it in a
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: can and you can make a boot out of it.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Ste I think let's just say it was ham ishh Yeah.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Any part in that it was in the neighborhood of ham.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: I think snouts and assholes is probably you know, I think.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I think I'll tell you what it was. It was
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: like a canful of salt. It was a saltier shit
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: you've ever tasted. They probably put all that salt in
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: there to kill.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: The taste, yeah, and also keep it going. Didn't they
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: use it during Wasn't it developed for World War II
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: or something? I thought?
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I think it was troops. I think like fair bit
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: of fat, fair bit of salt. Probably if you're in
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere and trying to stay alive, who knows,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, anything would taste pretty good.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So in Australia, the Communications and Media Authority, the ACMA,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: they investigate complaints when people receive unsolicited emails or texts
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: and you don't have an ability to be able to
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: opt out, So it's laura in Australia. If you get
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: a bulk email sent to you or a bulk ten
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: and you try to opt out and you can't, then
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: the company's doing that is at fault. And evidently in
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: this particular instance, it was reported that ten million spam
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: marketing text and emails were sent out in four months time,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: and people were trying to unsubscribe to stop receiving them
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: and they couldn't so, and then another four point three
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: million marketing messages was sent out without the option to unsubscribe.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: So it sends a really clear message that you know, country, countries,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: companies know these laws. These laws have been around for
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: a long time now. So I just thought it would
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: be an interesting one to mention that, you know, if
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: you're receiving unsolicited emails and you want to dub somebody
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: in for doing it, gee, I'll tell you what. The
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: fine's pretty big, can.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I'd tell you something in the same ballpark. So I'm
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: not going to say what company. But I had this
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: kind of what do you call the computer protectiony stuff?
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: What do you call that?
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Any virus?
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Antivirus? Thank you Patrick. So I had that installed, I
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: won't say what company, and it like every eight minutes
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: it would pop up with whatever, right, and then it
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: ran out and I decided to go with something else
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: and this one that ran out To try to get
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: that out of my fucking computer. It was like it
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: was a virus, like it would not go away. I
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: tried to uninstall it, or I did what I thought
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: uninstall it. I followed the YouTube video, I uninstalled it,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: and then it was back and it kept going, you're expired.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: You need to do this, you need to do that.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: If you don't do this, like the world's going to
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: blow up and we're going to you know. It's like,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: in the end, it was more of a problem than
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: the fucking viruses I was trying to protect myself from.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so a lot of laptop and computer companies do
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: deals with these antivirus companies, starting with Mac. I think
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: probably is the one you're thinking of a fee McAfee. Sorry,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: I just had something caught in my throat.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: It's not unusual to have the anti virus installed, but
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: it's only a limited trial for say thirty thirty days,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: and it is really painful trying to get rid of it,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: and it is I'm really impressed that you did a
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: YouTube and jumped on there and tried to get rid
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: of it yourself, Craigi. I thought that was very impressive.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought I'd done it, and then about twenty
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: minutes later it was back, and then I had to
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: get the actual smart person in the organization to come
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: over and do it. Liza. Yeah, she came over and
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: did it in thirteen seconds and looked at me quizzically.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: And she uses a Mac. Oh are you on a
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Mac as well?
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not on a Mac, so it wasn't that brand,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: you said, But I don't want to say it on
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: air because I feel like they might hijack me.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough. It's interesting while you're talking about that
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: at the moment, Dell has put out a warning just
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: recently in the last few days because they had a
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: data breach and they believe forty nine million customers may
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: have had information and that that's now gone onto the
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: dark web, and that's potentially Yeah, this could be serious
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: for a lot of people.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Nine million. I mean, how does how did they ever
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: compensate for that? Because it's like it's almost unknowable, like
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: the potential and I'm sure the vast majority of people
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: would be fine, but I mean, even if it was
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: one percent of forty nine million, that's four hundred and
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: ninety thousand people. That's half a million people, give or take.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's that's the scary thing. Now when
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: other when people that don't have your best interests at
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: heart have got access to all your shit, that makes
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: me nervous.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, one of the things they're saying is
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: that it could be as much as the name of
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: the buyer, the company named the address. So there's quite
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: a few markers that are very specific to the individual customer,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: and that's one of the problems. And you know, things
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: like your name and your physical address. That sort of
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: stuff is really, you know, something that's quite problematic. But
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: one of the things that you should do is go
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: to the website of the vendor, if it happens to
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: be in this case, Dell, and follow their instructions and suggestions.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: But the first thing you need to do is go
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: and change your password. Absolute first thing you do. Now,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I haven't had a Dell computer for quite a few years,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: but that was the first thing I did was jump
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: in and see if I still had a Dell account
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: and if there was a password, and I generated a
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: new password just in case. That was one of the
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: first things. And also two factor authentication. You might have
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: seen it written down as two FA that's another thing
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: that you can do. Make sure then that two factor
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: authentication means that before you can sign in, you have
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: to either have a second factor authentication, either a text
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: message or an email get sent to you with a
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: code and then you put the code in. So it's
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: not enough just to have the password, you need that
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: factor code to then pull it there as well. It's
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: a pain, but it's a level of security as well.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I saw this real today, mate, and a guy was
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was. It was like a
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: little almost like a road test of a product. This
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: guy was sitting in what looked to be a cafe.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: There was lots of people around. He was talking and
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: we could hear what he was hearing. He had like
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: this thing in his ear, and then he said, I
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: don't know. He gave some instruction to cut out the
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: background noise and just to focus on one person across
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: the table. Took out all the noise except this bloke's voice,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: and then you could clearly hear what he was saying,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: except he was speaking in Spanish, and then he said,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: now converted into English. So all of a sudden, all
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: the noise in the room has gone, or you know,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: it's gone from a ten to or one, and now
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: we can hear clearly hear this guy, and then we
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: then it gets translated in pretty much real time into English, like.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes you feel sad that we don't have
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: a Cold war and spies anymore, because that would have
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: been really handy, wouldn't it.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Ah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure we do have spies. I'm
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: pretty sure there.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Are still shout out to everybody at AISIO.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I'm going to show my age here because I read
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: the one of the titles of one of your kind
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: of articles or one of your discussion points under social media,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: and it says young people share their experience of being doxed.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know what dost means.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: This is actually a bit of bit insidious. This it's
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: a terrible thing to do to somebody. It's where online. Okay,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: we'll give an example. You're online gaming and you have
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: a bit of an altercation with someone because quite often
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: online gamers can talk to each other and someone takes
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: a dislike to you. But then they get your personal details,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: your address, and then they start sending pizza delivery people
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: to your house. And we're not talking one person, we're
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: talking fifty people. So suddenly you're getting packages delivered to
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: your house. You're getting pizzas delivered to your house, and
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: it could be amazingly distressing. This happened to a guy
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: who was only seventeen and his whole family was thrown
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: in a curveball here and it meant that, you know,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: he got into an argument online playing a game called
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Call of Duty, and then for about three or four
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: weeks he kept getting you know, uber eats and pizzas
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: and it says sometimes fifty times a day, and that's
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: what it is. It's a really malicious thing people can do.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, I always get distressed when people the keyboard warriors,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: you know, people who are so tough behind the keyboard,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: and they wouldn't say if you wouldn't do it in
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: real life if you don't think about it. And look,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: there's always going to be people out there who'll do
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: this sort of stuff. But yeah, so that's what dosing is.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: But as you can imagine, the whole family would have
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: been pretty distressed about this sort of thing happen.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I wonder what the solution to this is for the
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: food companies or the restaurants, or because you think about
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: you you could ring up. I mean, I live on
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: a street with fifty restaurants. You've taken cafes. I could
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: ring up the pizza joint that's one hundred and eighty
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: meters away and order ten pizzas. As long as I
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: give them an address and a phone number, they're going
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: to make the ten pizzas.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Look, I think the only way to get around that
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: is for people to prepay and to say I mean,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, if someone sends me
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: a pizza and it's been paid for, I'm not too concerned, right, Yeah,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's you know, the society is breaking
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: down when people start sending a kilo and a half
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: of coins in the mail. I mean, that's just kidding.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, Patrick's home address for the Federal
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Police if you're listening, he's in Milan. I don't know
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: the exact address. It just occurred to me that if
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: all of our listeners sent Patrick five dollars each, I
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: will match that with whatever we come up with.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: It's greg that's a great idea.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: You're an idiot. Stop that was fake me. That wasn't
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: really everyone that. By the way, fake me is way too.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Polite, you reckon?
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, fake me is too articulate and nice. I
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: really need to apologize. I was going to do a
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: tai chi class with Patrick, but I weaseled my way
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: out of it. There's no apology, there's just relief.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: You're right. Actually, yeah, it's just relief.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Like fake me, fake me doesn't know real me because
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: fake me he would know. Fake me should know that.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Real me would never apologize for that. Of course you were.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I'm always wrong and you are one hundred percent right
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: all the time. You wish, all right, take us home
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: with something. Just round this bad boy up if you could.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: It sounds like you want to get rid of me.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: No, you can do it for as long as I
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: just realized. You know why we've gotten through a lot
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: in a short time. I don't want to say it's tiff,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: but it's tiff. It's there's a a big conversational whole.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: You know. There's some researchers here in Australia have been
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: looking at how children are being educated and they're saying
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: that children produce better pieces of writing by hand, so
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: their ability to learn and at a certain age. So
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: we're talking say grade one and grade two if they
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: are still writing. And this is where education sytem in
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Australia is being praised because when you're writing, you're singularly
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: focused on what you're doing is spelling every single letter.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: You're writing out every single letter, and it's a much
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: a better way to focus and to be able to
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: get kids to do that. And I thought, isn't that
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: great that handwriting is such a good thing for young
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: people and that we still doing. Obviously keyboard skills are
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: imperative for kids as they're getting older, but certainly at
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: a younger age they're saying, your handwriting is really, really good.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: I've got friends of mine who live around the corner
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: from you. I just gave their fourteen year old a
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: fountain pin because he was telling likes to write, and
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: so it's great. It was funny because I went over
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: to their place a few weeks ago and his fingers
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: were blue. The bed leaked. I'm so dodgy. Was that
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: an expensive one to start off with?
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: You know? It? Never? I mean, I don't know about you.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: A couple of things here, but we we had to
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: use fountain pens like we had in the old days.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: We had like we didn't dip it in a bloody
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: thing of ink, but they had these ink cartridges and
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: we had to write. Is it called cursive right where
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: all the letters are connected?
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Seriously? Yeah, of course I still write cursive, do you? Yeah?
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: With the fountain?
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Are you? And are you my mum? Are you an
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: eighty five year old?
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: I'm writing with a fountain pen. I actually have a
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: beautiful mont Blanc fountain pen that I write with every day.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's clearly.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: I feel like I need to write you a letter.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I feel for fuck your letter. Don't send me a letter.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Fuck you know you're so weird. It's so weird. Hey,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: but I never thought about the fact that kids might
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: soon stop writing. Like when you see like literally two
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: year olds, three year olds using computers, tablets, phones, whatever
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: and typing and navigating a keyboard, then I wonder if
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I wonder if there's going to be a time in
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: the near future. You know what, he just took off
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: and took his headphone off. So are you going to
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: pretend that you know what I'm talking about? Now?
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I had Fritz was trying to get out of the office,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: and I thought, I hobe he might need to go
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: to the toilet or something, So I.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Hope he did a big dump on your fucking sofa. Hey,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: I was just saying, before you took rudely, I wish
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I had some fake Patrick, don't look at you. What Yeah,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: you're trying to find some more fake me. I was
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: just saying, I wonder if we're going to get to
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: a time in the near future where kids don't actually
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: learn to write with pen and pencil anymore, because we
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: don't need it. The world doesn't need.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: That, not in Australia. Evidently that's still a core part
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: of our teaching, which is great.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I know it is now, but I wonder if it'll
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: be in ten years. Like we're trying to eradicate paper.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: We're already almost a cashless society.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: But hasn't Tiff been using one of those tablets in
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: a pen because that's the other thing you can do.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: You can just have a tablet that you can write on.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: My laptop flips over and I have a little stylust
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: so I can take notes and write them that way.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: You know, I'd played around with it for a little while.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: In fact, your last conference that you did, do you
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: remember I went along to that and you had some
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: great guests speakers. Well, I took that and I was
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: making notes and I flipped the laptop over and I
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: was writing my notes on the back of it. But
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: it's not the same as having ink on a piece
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: of paper.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Hmmm, Well, think about the trees, bro, Think about the trees.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Tell people how they can come and break into your
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: very unsecure house in Bland and do yoga with you
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: and get you to build them all taichi, yoga pillarties.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: It's all the same. I really need to apologize. I
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: was going to do a tai chie class with Patrick,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: but I weaseled my way out of it. Stop it,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: stop playing fake me. All right, I'm taking the piece everyone.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: They're definitely not the same thing. They're all boring. Oh,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: he's telling need to apologize. I was going to do
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: a tai chie class with Patrick, but I weaseled my
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: way out of it. There we go, yep, there we go.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: We say, dot dot com be what smelkod doubt that
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be websites now dot com tod au.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Maybe I have to put gaps in it.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Go and type it in now, properly, Go and type
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: it in. I'll talk while you're doing that and see
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: if you can get it right this time. You really,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: you've lowered your colors today.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Isn't it. Well? You know the other thing is we
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: normally do them earlier in the day.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I don't mind. I don't mind five o'clock. It's five
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: fifty and it's dark as fucking hand.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: It's it's well, it's pretty dark everywhere. I guess at
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: the moment.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Websites now, dot com, dot a.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Not really not really spell it phonetically.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: What if you just write ay dash you.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: That's so weird, that is so strange. I'm gonna have
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: to play around with it. Look, we'll try one more time.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: I'm going to move a little of the sliders and
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: see what happens.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Sorry, now, dot com dot a you, that's.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: In terrible yea website, tod a you?
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Can you perfect that before the next one? Patrick,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: this has been your worst effort. You're on your first
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: warning and you're on thin ice.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not even going to you're gonna have you.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: No, you know, here's the beauty of your pay I
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: can harbor or double it and you're still getting the
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: same welcome. Yeah, thanks for that, mate, Thanks mate,