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We've Got Mail #192 | You Know What You Did! · Critically Acclaimed Network

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  [SPEAKER_01]: Hello everybody, and welcome back to We've Got Mail.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the podcast where you control the conversation right here at the critically acclaimed network.
• 0:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: My name is William Bibiani.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I am a film critic, everybody calls me Bibbs.
• 0:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: My name is Whitney Sybel, I'm a film critic.
• 0:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm in my raspier voices these days.
• 0:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that you say raspy.
• 0:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I say siltree.
• 0:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Siltree, this is my bedroom place.
• 0:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's winter bedroom right now.
• 0:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: We do, we've recorded in a bedroom.
• 0:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we do.
• 0:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: For the purposes of this particular podcast, do you make call me a rock-mice or McCool?
• 0:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mr.
• 0:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sultry again.
• 0:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you've gone Mr.
• 0:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sultry, we've done this like almost 200 episodes.
• 0:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can have a new make-bang.
• 0:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have, and I've won about this before, but I do not like the sound of my own voice.
• 0:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like the way it sounds, but it's played back and recording.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Because it has no authority.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I walk into a room like we're a lot of people are chatting and my voice is like just the right frequency It gets swallowed in other people's voices and if I try to get everybody's attention it never works Well, have you considered maybe like who has it?
• 1:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I need a little bit of a horn.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I do.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's an authoritative voice.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think what's the thing with someone that would like, uh...
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Someone prominent, it's own particular an actor, a politician, something one of my favorite voices in show business is Shorya Doshlou, she has a great friggin' voice Well, that's like, and she's like all vocal fry Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
• 1:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, when we're in here in a quiet room, and we're on a mic together.
• 1:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.
• 2:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And if I'm too quiet, then why dear listener, you can just crank the volume.
• 2:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
• 2:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm about to read a bunch of letters.
• 2:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll have to get to hear those.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is our letters podcast.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We invite you our listeners to write us letters.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You can email us or email address as letters that critically acclaimed.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: or you can like quite a few people did in the last couple of weeks send us physical correspondence letter postcards and people sent us a package sometimes are yeah what is a peel box yes send us a physical letter to the critically acclaimed network peel box six four one five six five Los Angeles, California nine w six four yeah you do that today and I encourage you to do so we
• 2:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Love getting letters, we love doing this podcast and we started to get a little more correspondence.
• 2:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: There was a kind of a dip for a while where it felt like we really didn't need to do this like all the time, but we started getting a lot more, so maybe we should do more we've got males.
• 2:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So by all means, keep up with what people are sending us.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get through as many as we can right now.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We might not be able to get through everything in our inbox, so keep them coming.
• 3:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: The more correspondence we get, the more often we will do this.
• 3:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, again, if you send us
• 3:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Letters in our PO box, we will read them.
• 3:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we don't always have time for everything, but if we have to cut something we're more likely to cut like an email because people who took the time
• 3:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: and effort to write something down, print something out, draws a little sketch, whatever the hell they did, that's a little extra effort and we wanna reward that we appreciated and it's just nice to get mail.
• 3:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like getting physical letters.
• 3:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's great.
• 3:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: You almost never get a letter anymore.
• 3:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the stuff that the internet made more convenient, kinda wrecked a lot of things, but I liked, prompted a little magic.
• 3:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a little bit, you know?
• 3:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some things I was just used to, I think I've said this before.
• 3:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was an expert at pay phones.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I knew I didn't realize there was a trick because well, just I knew where all the working ones were And like in the neighborhoods where I frequented I was always sure to have the right change in my pocket In case I needed to make phone calls There's all before cell phones were like before I had one anyway.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Did you ever walk past a pay phone and put your finger in a little slot and find a quarter?
• 4:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, it's happened.
• 4:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that was that was great.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Just a frequent order.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: One of my favorite to get on giving those pay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Favorite a far side comics is a superman changing in a phone booth
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I did quarter.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, we got some letters.
• 4:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: We got some postcards, so and we got a package in the mail boy did we got a package from Joe.
• 4:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Joe.
• 4:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: You could have warned me.
• 4:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I live within a bike ride distance of our local post office where I check our post office by half mile tops.
• 4:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Usually we have post cards or letters and I can carry those in my hand or put those in my pocket in my home.
• 4:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't do that this time.
• 5:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I had to bike home
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  [SPEAKER_00]: 100 pound boxes yeah and our our first thought was this is a really clever way to dispose of a dead body yeah like if you're making our problem yeah here you throw this away yeah Joey the Snitch needs to be buried you guys do it it's like
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it clearly wasn't just one corpse, like they were nailing these several bodies worth.
• 5:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: You ever see it?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You ever see it in the movie?
• 5:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Eight heads in a duffel bag.
• 5:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is like 24 heads.
• 5:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're in a series of cardboard boxes.
• 5:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a bunch of heads.
• 5:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Actually it wasn't severed heads.
• 5:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was board games.
• 5:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: All of them told me like all the board games like a world.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like 100 board games that Joe sent us.
• 5:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I hadn't played any of these games.
• 5:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were all new to me.
• 5:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And most of them are now living here at Williams, some of them are living in my apartment.
• 6:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you had these giant boxes, you know, I don't know, space for this.
• 6:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, yeah, I recently moved.
• 6:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: You had a hole and I got divorced.
• 6:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I lost half my stuff.
• 6:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have space.
• 6:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of them are living here.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I have like these giant shelf.
• 6:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: But let's let's read the letter.
• 6:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Don't tell me what to explain this.
• 6:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's really cool.
• 6:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: It says Dear Bibs in Whitney.
• 6:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm reaching out because I've been a long time fan of yours.
• 6:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I got into the movie trivia small down almost a decade ago.
• 6:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And William, you're always my favorite competitor.
• 6:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thanks.
• 6:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I really respect it and admire you a lot.
• 6:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: You are extremely knowledgeable about many different things, but always kept it fun and entertaining without feeling like you had a result to negativity for entertainment value.
• 6:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: William's a sweet guy.
• 6:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there was a brief time where they wanted me to be a bad guy on the slowdown, and I was like, oh, try it, but I was never good at it.
• 6:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: They wanted me to do this big dramatic thing once, so they're like, we need you to like betray John Rooka We need you to betray him, so you're gonna it, but it was all kind of add-lib that was I did so I was like, I don't know what I mean So I just yelled, I betray you And that was fun
• 7:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know how to do that at all.
• 7:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Once I let me just be a nice guy, I got more comfortable and I started winning more games and something was much better.
• 7:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was, was it Emma Fife who did the post game interviews?
• 7:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't just her, but she did it a lot.
• 7:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 7:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: She said something disparaging about like a movie I liked.
• 7:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like on, people don't like Grimmlins too.
• 7:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think I just said something along the lines if you shut your fool mouth, I got in such trouble for y'all.
• 7:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then of course it's in good fun.
• 7:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're my friend.
• 7:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was, well, A, I was playing a bad guy.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: B, it was delivered in a sarcastic way.
• 7:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't, I've nothing to say about it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And refife is, it is a glitteringly, wonderful human being.
• 7:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 7:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I got in such shit for that, from fans.
• 7:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 7:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's where it happens when you're in the bad guy.
• 7:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
• 7:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the goal, I, and I was never comfortable with that for a second.
• 7:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, once was I comfortable with that.
• 7:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I could play up the arrogance, that was easy.
• 7:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, that led me to cancel to soon, and to the critically acclaimed podcast which became a staple in my listing rotation.
• 8:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: At the time, it was at the height of movie pass.
• 8:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, those days.
• 8:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I was watching every single movie released religiously each week as well as deep diving actors and directors' entire filmographies, and watching every best picture nominee from the current all the way back.
• 8:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: It became a big passion of mine.
• 8:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: We even had an art house cinema in Akron, Ohio.
• 8:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would go to see more off-the-beaten path things that would never hit AMC theaters.
• 8:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
• 8:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: As many things in life do priorities and other things.
• 8:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Shifted, I quit watching movies as religiously, as I hadn't got pretty into fitness, as I was in my later 20s and my family.
• 8:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: 10s towards pretty unhealthy genetics and lifestyle.
• 8:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to avoid that after my daughter was born and for you also tough a few years after that I was actually able to turn my career I had in tabletop board games into running my own company
• 8:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Plus you have to run some board game companies.
• 8:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Most of my movie watching these days are on airplanes.
• 9:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I travel 150 or so days out of the year and taking my eight-year-old to see Zutopia 2.
• 9:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: And still keeping up with all my time, my all-time favorite genre and watching most of the most horror movies that come out of each year.
• 9:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I watched far fewer movies than I used to, but critically claimed to still first listen each episode.
• 9:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Recently, you did a podcast where you played the trivial pursuit movie edition.
• 9:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like OMG, two-in-thing, two things I love coming at a full realization.
• 9:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I now own a board game company and have 26 employees.
• 9:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we really do love what we do, recently we made a game called Movie Night, and I think it would be a blast to send this to you as well As many of our other offerings for your enjoyment.
• 9:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all of them We check not all not all but a lot a lot of them.
• 9:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have provided me so many years of entertainment So many years of entertainment.
• 9:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I am hopeful that in some way to pay you back enjoy Joe Well, this is more than paying us back.
• 9:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is this is doing a lot.
• 9:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is extremely generous.
• 9:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, you told me you told me
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, oh, we got a ton of games on it.
• 10:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's really cool.
• 10:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then you said me a picture, and you said, oh, we're gonna keep like one, one, six of these games.
• 10:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 10:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then you said me a picture of like a whole bunch of board games.
• 10:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, cool.
• 10:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which percentage of these games do you want?
• 10:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you said, no, no, this is this.
• 10:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
• 10:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
• 10:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Six times more than this.
• 10:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: We struggled to get them into my car.
• 10:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 10:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: This was on a good field, my car, a lurching.
• 10:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just because they're because boogames are heavy things especially some of the ones you sent us.
• 10:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's some fancy one So we got a ton of cool board games.
• 10:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: We will definitely If you remember last year we did it a couple of times we the site we
• 10:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: toyed with a podcast format called the St. No Game, in which we played a board game in a podcast form.
• 10:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now a lot of people do this over YouTube, a lot of board games are usual, and we really don't have the resources to do video the way that we would like to the way we professional the way we were doing.
• 10:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of movie board games are very trivia-based, so we figured we don't really need that, and so we could do that with some games.
• 11:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: We hadn't done one in a
• 11:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be doing movie now, you just, you know, thank you for this generous gift.
• 11:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm going to read off a few of the, of the games that we got, I, just earlier tonight with some friends I played River Valley Glassworks, okay, which is, you know, pretty.
• 11:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: In some respects, relatively straightforward sort of, you know, acquire the most gems and get the most points before everyone runs out of around kind of thing, but it's just really beautiful, like the board looks gorgeous, the little pieces are wonderfully designed, like a lot of effort went into it, and that's really cool.
• 11:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see what we got.
• 11:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: We got a game called Galactic Cruise, which is one of those games where like you could drop it from a building and kill someone.
• 11:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of those games that requires like eight players and you start at breakfast time and you're not done till midnight Yeah, it's one of those all day Yeah, he's soccer There's again a really want to play called Pandora's Legacy, which seems to be involved so like like a literal like puzzle and a board game Okay, it's just really really cool I played one called fiction, which was a really good light party game It's basically a sort of a competitive version of wordle Where one person plays the person who picks the word
• 12:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and everyone else is trying to guess the word in a very world like fashion.
• 12:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna guess a five letter word and then the person who picked the word is gonna reveal this letter is wrong, this letter is right, but in the wrong place, this letter is right, but once per round there are a lot to lie about a letter and that is simple but very tricky and I was doing great until
• 12:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: That really sank, man, fortunately, so I don't know if I can play with her without losing bigs.
• 13:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: My wife and son play at a game that Joe sent us called French toast and the joke is one player plays as a space alien who has only ever encountered French toast and can only say French toast.
• 13:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you were talking about this at the time.
• 13:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: You chose a noun from a deck of cards and
• 13:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: And people have to guess what that now is and if they are close closer to that now and then they are to actual French toast You get to say that word.
• 13:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can repeat words that people say back to until they can finally guess it like It's made and you can give them like a little hints along the way as well
• 13:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so if it says couch, how do you get from French toast to couch?
• 13:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 13:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: What kind of guesses do you do?
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, there's a game I really want to play called psychic pizza deliverers go to the ghost town.
• 13:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Go to the ghost town.
• 13:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the great name for anything.
• 13:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, let's one called Leviathan's one called Twinkle Twinkle Twinkle.
• 13:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hold on, I'm looking at a picture right now.
• 13:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's only half of my bookshelf.
• 13:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, Wonderland's War is another one of them.
• 14:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's Galactic Crews, got a few expansion packs of that.
• 14:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Cabuto sumo.
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, it's not Leviathan Wilds, that's not Leviathan Wilds.
• 14:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So these are really, really cool things, and we're very grateful to you.
• 14:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll definitely place some more of these, and we're definitely going to play movie nights, and then upcoming episode of the St. No Game.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have to figure out the best time.
• 14:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're probably going to play this at your house.
• 14:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: because what happened was I bought a table that I thought would be great for playing board games with like my friends and that's where we were playing board games for the St. No Game, but it's also in the living room and unfortunately if I'm in the living room apparently my next or neighbor can hear us
• 14:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: every single thing we say.
• 14:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: The thin wall, so that's why we're recording the bedroom and that's why I had this thin soundproof this bedroom.
• 14:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we're probably going to place it in your place, but we're definitely going to and I'm really excited about it.
• 14:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: We should, you and I come up with an idea for a critically clean board game.
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just you and me just for fun.
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have that kind of mind like I can play games It could write one.
• 15:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think you're telling me so short.
• 15:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think we think if we put our heads together And thought about like what what makes us and what we do Fine, I think we could totally pull this off or maybe we could do a Star Trek thing game Like a Star Trek trivia game or something like that.
• 15:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well Star Trek is a license we couldn't do that I understand that but it's it's a you write that that's making a sense, but we can figure it out
• 15:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's fun.
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a little exercise on there.
• 15:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: We've never tell anybody about it.
• 15:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: But we, uh, oh, you know what?
• 15:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: We, um, we race to, there's a deck of film titles.
• 15:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you race to create the best all nighter.
• 15:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's cute, constructing film titles.
• 15:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's cute, I like that a lot.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 15:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we, oh, y'all, we can do it.
• 15:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a cancel too soon game.
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, dear.
• 15:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's one of those ones where it's like every card is like, is this a real or fake?
• 15:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Cancell TV series.
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's collect all 100 lives of Black Jacks.
• 16:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's just one of the pieces is my mother the car.
• 16:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: We could probably make a 100 lives of Black Jack Savage board game And no one would sue us.
• 16:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: No one bother no one no type in that they bother.
• 16:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to be associated with it.
• 16:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes They don't want to admit that they did that So we're probably in the clear in any case.
• 16:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have a lot of other correspondence.
• 16:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: We got to read But thank you Jill and seriously congratulations.
• 16:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've clearly
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: put together an amazing board game company and I'm very jealous of everyone who gets to work there.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like you're doing something you love and you're doing it great and we're just really really happy that we got to entertain you over the years and that means a lot to us and it's really cool that you've done something so amazing.
• 16:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't give like an address in a physical brick and mortar game shop.
• 16:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're probably fine that all my
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: probably mail order stuff but yeah oh there's like the the the website is a all play all play and so you can go to the all play website just order by these games that we're playing yeah by all means check it out it's let me confirm that it's like not to like
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it's actually like all play dot com play dot com.
• 17:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, give the actual I mean, let me do this all that.
• 17:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, give you give you a little plug because you were so generous to us here again But no, it's all play dot com all play dot com.
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, friend of mine has 8 L L P L A Y
• 17:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: They also do like cool like gamer like a like board gamer paraphranealia friend of mine has this giant wooden table in his house and it's very big, very cool.
• 17:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's got couples and everything but you can play a big board game on top of it or you can lift up the top and you can play a board game underneath it and then you can put the table top on top of it and save it so when you're playing this like 40-hour board games.
• 17:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's not cheap.
• 17:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's a very fancy, but I'm very jealous because it's a very cool paraphernalia.
• 17:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's where anything.
• 17:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, cool stuff.
• 17:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, we also got some letters and some postcards.
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a postcard from Jonathan.
• 18:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is a postcard.
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: It says, wish you were here.
• 18:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: It has a fake coffee stain and a fake bloody thumbprint on it, and somebody is wondering into the mist, and it says, oh, welcome to Silent Hill.
• 18:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't know.
• 18:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, the back.
• 18:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: It says, return to Silent Hill.
• 18:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a tie-in postcard.
• 18:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 18:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying.
• 18:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: It comes from Jonathan.
• 18:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jonathan just wrote, writes on this postcard, dear bibs and rock-mise to McCool.
• 18:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: How are you doing?
• 18:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Pleasure.
• 18:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Please use this letter as an excuse to talk about something you're really into, but doesn't come up easily.
• 18:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jonathan.
• 18:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.
• 18:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's fun.
• 18:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're into a lot of things.
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: You were just telling me something that you were doing that you were into that
• 18:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't.
• 18:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't say.
• 18:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you should.
• 18:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because you received one of your things.
• 18:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm doing stuff.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was very excited.
• 18:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I got a gift recently.
• 18:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was able to finally listen to the original BBC audio drama version of the hit records got into the galaxy.
• 19:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: You never heard that?
• 19:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, not the original.
• 19:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I heard the books on tape.
• 19:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: The ones that Douglas Adams read.
• 19:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I never actually heard the audio drama that from what I understand we're being written in Concordance with the books like the radio show was the radio technically came for it.
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was like Proceeding the books and a lot of the books came out of the radio show in fact.
• 19:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot more in the radio show than there are in the actual novels.
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
• 19:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the radio shows make no sense.
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's clearly just making stuff up as it goes on.
• 19:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a great book you can get the annotated radio scripts and Douglas Adams just talks about like the creative process and why like all of these non-sensical things happen and one like he intended and where he got the idea for all of them and their full great detail.
• 19:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And not everyone is so keenly aware of where his ideas come from and how they're developed in their own brain and what's Adams knew exactly what he was doing.
• 19:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was great.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, he, uh, rather famous, like because I've read the book, The Salmon of Dowd, which was a portion of a book he wrote in that he wasn't able to finish before he died.
• 20:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: But all it was also like a collection of personal essays and how he and you know just personal stories and how his editors would have to Literally lock him in hotel rooms So he could meet deadlines.
• 20:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was so bad about writing on time.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he had one of those great lines.
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was like I love Love deadlines.
• 20:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love the sound they make as they whiz past.
• 20:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Great line great line And as someone who has I'm not proud of this, but seriously blown a deadline or two.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I get it
• 20:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've blown a couple.
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I try to stay on time.
• 20:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
• 20:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, you have to.
• 20:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can't let that happen more than once.
• 20:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like you, it's just, in this industry, there's so many people looking for work who can hit their deadlines.
• 20:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can't do that.
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to, like, I'm in to the, like, I do like audio dramas.
• 20:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're a subscriber, I've written a couple.
• 20:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's this, some of my audio dramas are on our Patreon.
• 20:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and yeah, subscribers, it's certain tears can get those.
• 20:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Also, if you contact Whitley directly, you can arrange.
• 21:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can just sell them to you if you like, you send them down.
• 21:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.
• 21:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I find me on the socials.
• 21:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's really good radio dramas.
• 21:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not just saying that because I'm his friend, although I appreciate that if you, you know, conflict of interest granted, salt, whatever, really good.
• 21:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I am good taste for a living.
• 21:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I genuinely think Whitney writes great radio drums, but it's not my will, it's like that's very sweet of you and and I have to give all all credit in the world to Chelsea spirit Oh friend of mine.
• 21:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's a great actress and she agreed to be in all of them In fact, she is the only actress in one of them.
• 21:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: She just did the whole thing as a monologue So yeah, and she was really terrific and very sporting to read my silly silly dialogue.
• 21:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love
• 21:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, who doesn't?
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, but there's a difference I think between loving them and like.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Meeting them.
• 22:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I hold that up to the mic.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is a fun one.
• 22:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is an this is an AMS ASMR.
• 22:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: ASMR channel now.
• 22:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, it's very funny.
• 22:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, no, I love such a stuff.
• 22:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I get a lot of my fidget stuff off of Etsy.
• 22:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I get like an even see where if I can find what shop I got what you just heard from, but they sell a lot of wonderful things that I've got.
• 22:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like 3D printed stuff.
• 22:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot of a 3D printer because a lot of people are just doing clever things, but I Relatively recently in my life Was diagnosed with ADD So I've then to deficit and Be aware of that has been a huge kind of relief because now I know that like
• 22:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here's how I can get my brain functioning, and one of the things that really helps for example, like when I'm working, white noise.
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I used to struggle to concentrate, but if I put like, you know, heavy rain sounds in the background, it really helps me a lot, but I would often find just my interest flagging in everyday activities, and then to have, you know, a various
• 23:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: and my therapist had noticed that like you seem like you're having a little bit more trouble focusing than usual and I was like yeah well what about your fidget toys?
• 23:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well I just had these for a while and said your homework is to get new fidget toys.
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I acquired a bunch of new fidget toys, they're really great.
• 23:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hold on.
• 23:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want to give a shout out because there's something to do some wonderful work.
• 23:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I got some good fidget toys.
• 23:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I got a Batman fidget, just like the old fashioned spinner.
• 23:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Those are fun, yeah.
• 23:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like squeezeable puddies or like little stress balls.
• 23:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like those, just sort of the tactile experience is nice.
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you go one step beyond.
• 23:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have like, oh, I have a ton of original things that people are like trying to invent.
• 23:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Go to the Broken Circle market on Etsy.
• 23:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: They have a lot of wonderful things and the thing that
• 24:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a flexi cube flexi cube.
• 24:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're very visually appealing and it's sort of like you know there's like Desk toys used to have where you put your hand in like a thankful flat pins and you have like an impression Yeah, it's kind of like that but with very with larger plastic cubes.
• 24:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's
• 24:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: a little hard to describe.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want you to look at it and do like, I get it.
• 24:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And boy, do I love that thing?
• 24:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: That thing is a lot of use.
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, fidget toys, fidget toys have become a recent fascination with me, not just in terms of like, oh, they're neat to play with, but like actually these are incredibly useful for my life.
• 24:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And just to have different ones for different times and different types of variety, it's been very, very useful.
• 24:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's something I've been really into.
• 24:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Very nice.
• 24:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what you got next?
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: We also have another physical letter.
• 24:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, this is, we got a greeting card that came with a little pile of, like, self-published zines.
• 24:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: These are all from the website, LeeDuzzStuff.com.
• 25:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: So here's one of the difficulties.
• 25:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's two copies of each one.
• 25:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think presumably one for each of us.
• 25:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's just like that.
• 25:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes the movies of 2025.
• 25:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a bunch of essays.
• 25:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some crossword puzzles in here, coloring books.
• 25:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: These have like original illustrations.
• 25:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just like pictures of the DVD.
• 25:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're like Drew the DVD.
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Totally recognized.
• 25:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they nailed the fear.com font.
• 25:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: uh... some some there this is one for let's get physical media uh... some tips for in person shopping always open the case and make sure the disk is inside i used to work at a video store and it what people used to do for dvd's was they would take a razor and it would slice the back of the dvd box and it is reaching grab the dvd but if you weren't paying attention he wouldn't notice the dvd box had been fucked with very very clever
• 25:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Very pernicious hated those guys.
• 26:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just wanted to read fucking Before sunset I stole what you got how much of getting for that on the black market.
• 26:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Come on, man But it this did come from We're getting a bunch of scenes about film.
• 26:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's like some soup recipes So shouldn't surprise you to learn that this comes from Portland
• 26:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: a really cool card like breeding card that has been altered has a bunch of white stickers on it and then kind of stamped on and ink it says watch movies eat soup pet cats fight fascism oh that's my new favorite thing yeah I would if I had that as a sticker I put it on my laptop my laptop is a laptop of many stickers
• 26:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: One of them is from Woody Guthrie, who used to have this on his...
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: This machine kills flashes, that's on there.
• 26:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have a bunch of trans rights by staying with Planned Parenthood.
• 26:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Nice, bunch of stuff like that.
• 26:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Whenever I go out, I want people to know...
• 26:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I-I-I-I can't say- Very liberal.
• 26:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 26:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that's the-that
• 27:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so they're good friends of mine kind of what?
• 27:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, evidently, uh, I've fallen though with their music via guitar hero that a bonus track.
• 27:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I remember it.
• 27:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's always like this is like fun pop punk band.
• 27:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna look them up and I got like mail order their record.
• 27:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Evidently they don't send a lot out to California like they're just a local Ulst and Massachusetts band.
• 27:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Their their big hit song was called Fuck the Cells, which was about a frat bar in Massachusetts.
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just one bar that they thought was really shitty, and they wrote a song about it Take that the cows the cows which is closed now, by the way.
• 27:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I imagine so and shame no doubt Yeah, and but evidently there was another band called for giant they weren't allowed to keep the name for giant Which is a great punk band name.
• 28:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great.
• 28:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great name So they changed their name to vagient Boston and
• 28:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: That still wasn't still I'm out.
• 28:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so they just so they just you can't see us on Miami that You can't make like see us.
• 28:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I portland if you don't don't see us up exact So their first record.
• 28:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were a giant their second record.
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were a vagina at Boston and their third record They were too one of sweet heart and then they split out
• 28:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I know that the lead singer started her own band called One Fall, but Yeah, I they sent me like personalized letters.
• 28:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, it's that kind of California orders our CDs Other little shitty legal battle.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a post and they sent me a post a sticker Like one of the only ones in existence, so I have that on Michael read the post.
• 28:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 28:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, the cart says
• 28:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hi Bives and Rockvice.
• 28:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a cool with three O's.
• 28:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
• 28:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I wanted to send you my new 2025 movies scene, and since I've been making more scenes over the last year, I also included a few others that you might enjoy.
• 29:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for the near infinite supply of movie recommendations.
• 29:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: My letterboxed which watch list is ridiculous.
• 29:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Last night I watched Lady for a day because we talked about it so much fun.
• 29:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Lovely in Portland.
• 29:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
• 29:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I'm pretty sure at least some stuff before.
• 29:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love these things.
• 29:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love a zine I mean, our Overdo for a comeback.
• 29:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I see people making them more if you're unfamiliar with what we're talking about exactly A zine is a self-published magazine often just dashed off at a printer shop
• 29:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you'll find them often at like local coffee shops, local use record stores and they are a great way to
• 29:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: A express yourself, but also to build a sense of community and identity in your local area, because scenes generally speaking go to live nearby, they don't go wide, and more and more, you know, there was a time when the internet was like new and everyone was like, you know, once you're telling the internet, it's on the internet forever.
• 30:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wish.
• 30:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have lost so much material.
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is so nice to have something out there that no one can delete that Google can't demonetize.
• 30:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just published and no one can take it away from you.
• 30:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: No one can track it.
• 30:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're saying something, you know, you're saying if anti-ice sentiments for example, some people might be looking at that and you might want to like, you know, be careful.
• 30:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Zeans are great, Zeans should make it come back.
• 30:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I support anyone and theory, at least, who does a zine?
• 30:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're easy enough to try on your own.
• 30:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you can find a little bit of information online and how to get it right the first time to make sure you organize your pages in a fair way.
• 30:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the best zines are just
• 30:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: people putting their passions on paper.
• 30:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love it when they add, you know, their own personal drawings and things.
• 31:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: This person does great crossword puzzles as well.
• 31:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, if you're in Portland, look out for these.
• 31:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: These are wonderful.
• 31:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 31:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 31:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And thank you again for thanking of us.
• 31:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a lot to me.
• 31:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And
• 31:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love getting this stuff.
• 31:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think you're so much.
• 31:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's really cool.
• 31:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: They appreciate that.
• 31:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's all we have.
• 31:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's it for the mailbox.
• 31:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: OK, mailbox.
• 31:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 31:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, so far, if we checked it two day, I checked it today.
• 31:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And everyone's in a well, we checked it.
• 31:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then we record two days later, and we find out when there's something and we feel really, really bad.
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: We checked it today.
• 31:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's as up to date as it can be.
• 31:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you sent us something,
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Recently, like within the last few days, we haven't got it yet.
• 31:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: We said, so it's a while ago when we haven't read it, we didn't get it.
• 31:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 31:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: But that doesn't happen very often.
• 31:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So by all means, what real fast ones will do it now, what's our PO Box?
• 31:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that critically claimed network PO Box 641, 565.
• 31:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Sanjals, California and IWO 640.
• 31:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And now we're going to get into our emails, our email addresses letters that critically claimed that net.
• 31:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mm.
• 31:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Whitney, take us away.
• 31:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, here is an email from Shelby, um, it's Shelby's Hello Gentleman Shelby here.
• 32:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I'll make this quick and let you pontificate upon my choices since I've written in a few times before, and I typically in the long hand, my romance slash Valentine's themed all night marathon.
• 32:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what run as such, this is something we did, kind of, for Valentine's.
• 32:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: A month ago, we did our podcast idea of the All Nighter, where we come up with an All Night movie, Marathon towards a theme, so far we've mostly done holidays, but yeah, we came up with movies to watch All Night and Valentine's Day, if we had our own run of a movie theater.
• 32:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we asked people to send us theirs.
• 32:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Starting with steadfast tin soldier segment from Fantasia 2015 minutes.
• 32:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, I haven't seen the Fantasia movies, but I've never seen any of the Fantasia movies, not in the real.
• 32:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I have not seen Fantasia.
• 32:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: You should see the original.
• 32:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen at least two of the segments, but I haven't seen the whole movie.
• 32:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I am actually watching the Sorcerer's Apprentice and that I'm both now.
• 32:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, those are the biggies, but they're really wonderful.
• 33:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: You should check it out.
• 33:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Followed by first movie, The Wedding Singer, 100 minutes.
• 33:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, great.
• 33:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love that movie.
• 33:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Very charming.
• 33:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was the first time I think a lot of people were like, Oh, Adam Sandler.
• 33:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: can he's in just a raging man, baby, he can make a real movie, he can make like romantic comedies and like a convincing one, be very sweet and just needs a good co-star in terms of Drew Barry Moore is a
• 33:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: How is she described one some a sentient cloud of giggles it's weird everyone's the one you take two actors who you wouldn't necessarily think would go together And they're perfect like Drew bearer more balances Adam Sandler's energy he makes her a bit sillier And she really grounds the hell out of them.
• 33:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: They made three movies together and they're free of Adam Sandler's better movies It was the wedding singer 54 states and
• 33:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Where he has kids, she has kids, they get married and they're trying to figure out how to get their families to blend.
• 33:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 33:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's some stuff in it that's that's insipid, but mostly it's very sweet and their chemistry really sells it.
• 34:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so do it us.
• 34:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, let's see, in Weddings here, followed by the stupid Q-Pid, Looney Tunes, 1944, five minutes.
• 34:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a number of Fudge Short.
• 34:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 34:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, followed by Adventure Land.
• 34:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love Adventure Land.
• 34:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wish I loved Adventure Land.
• 34:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do really love it.
• 34:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know why I'm supposed to love Adventure Land, but I find some of the characters annoying.
• 34:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I know everyone loves it, everyone loves it, but I want to see that movie.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the point is like they're young in their 20s and they haven't figured some stuff out yet, so they are kind of annoying and I think that's okay.
• 34:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just think I have a little bit, I think when I see movies like that, I tend to gravitate towards the more, if they're made from a place of,
• 34:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Later on we achieved wisdom and we're looking back with that awareness And I feel like adventure land is so in the moment of what it feels like at that time It just makes me uncomfortable But I think it's authentic though.
• 34:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's really something we're doing.
• 34:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's job I just don't particularly enjoy that a lot of people love that big guy on Wednesday go for it
• 34:56
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• 35:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just one of the bads.
• 35:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just do a go.
• 35:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just unassailable.
• 35:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Of the rom-coms, it's one of the perfect ones.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just... No.
• 35:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 35:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: The music video from the bodyguard I will always love you by Whitney Houston.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tazinets.
• 35:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Classic.
• 35:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, follow me.
• 35:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is a bit of a long one.
• 35:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Crazy rotations.
• 35:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: So...
• 35:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 35:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great romance.
• 35:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's very light and fun, but it's just about two hours.
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, but for rom-com, that's the normal movie length.
• 35:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Great movie.
• 35:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it would be a lot.
• 35:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, the ludicrous, what's your fantasy music video?
• 35:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, five minutes, I know that one.
• 35:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, followed by dirty dancing.
• 35:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 35:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'll make love to you by boys, too, man.
• 35:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like you want me to, which is the best part of me.
• 35:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Remember that era where like every, like, love song was like, five guys singing to one girl.
• 35:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
• 36:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I guess she's dating all of them.
• 36:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a really advantageous molecule for her.
• 36:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 36:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I just,
• 36:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just good for her, I always think myself, you're dating all of boys to men and they're all in love with none of them.
• 36:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, you're no one side, that's all.
• 36:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like every single boy.
• 36:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And men in voice to men is super into you all at once, and they're not even competing or making it weird or jealousy That's love What no, I'm not that After I'll make love to you eat to mama time being You know, I've never actually seen you two mama time being you should probably watch you.
• 36:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know.
• 36:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's cool.
• 36:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's amazing
• 36:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: uh followed by erosmiths sweet emotion nice five minutes all you think so many erosmith music and that's it right and you know hope you find this uh interesting cryon's a breakup song true but it's a lot of story and it's like it's just a breakup story uh uh but uh remember erosmith was such a weird bad because they were huge in the 70s not huge in the 80s and then had a massive resurgence in the 90s
• 37:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because super duper huge, you get bigger arguably than the seven days.
• 37:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
• 37:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just did an article for the rap where I ranked every bus, you, um, every Oscar nominated song that Diane Warren wrote her co-wrote.
• 37:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 37:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, one of them was the Erasmus song I don't want to miss a thing, which they originally went out to, like, gasoline beyond for.
• 37:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So brilliant to get Erasmus to do that song.
• 37:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because they bring just a very different energy to it, but also Steven Tyler has the pipes.
• 37:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like he can belt a ballad.
• 37:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's perfect and it has that kind of like just slightly...
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing, because Eric Smith has a masculine energy, but also very feminine energy as well.
• 37:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Steven Tyler is not a very macho guy, but this little heavy guitar, they did openly about like... like, virile sex.
• 37:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: They did both because they did, you know, I don't want to miss a thing, but then they also did, you know I'm gonna fuck you in an elevator.
• 38:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like loving an elevator, living it up.
• 38:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're going down.
• 38:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Yeah, that's a performance.
• 38:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not a song.
• 38:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Performer all sex on me.
• 38:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like they did it.
• 38:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not ambiguous at all.
• 38:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, but like they had that variety to them.
• 38:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: So giving them like a power ballad was perfect.
• 38:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's such a great such a great bet.
• 38:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was such a huge businessman fan of the 90s all right.
• 38:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, we have another all nighter right all nighter Another listener in fact, this is be all in our great.
• 38:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I would be all in our great She was into us for really long time.
• 38:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, great thing.
• 38:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, great the great the interact with her dear William Bibbiani and Whitney Sybel pronounced rock-mise to McCool.
• 38:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
• 38:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: God damn it.
• 38:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: We did it again
• 38:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is A and I, A is A and I, we're planning to do a simple romantic double feature for Valentine's Day.
• 38:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then you just had to release your all-nighter podcast.
• 38:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: We shifted gears and started building one out together.
• 39:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ultimately, there were too many good ideas.
• 39:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it became an entire week of romance movies once again programmed by myself in secret with most of the 38 films being a first-time watch for one, if not both of us.
• 39:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So this is a series of double features.
• 39:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, leading up to Valentine's Day.
• 39:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Monday February 9th, double feature number one, Blockbuster Remakes, West Side Story and Cinderella, Spielberg and Kenneth Bronis version.
• 39:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good movie.
• 39:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Followed by double feature number two, Hugh Grant featuring Simon Callow, four weddings in the funeral, and Maurice from 1987.
• 39:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I've never seen James James Ivory film.
• 39:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen that.
• 39:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I once again shocked by how exhilarating complex and heart-rending Spielberg's West Side story is.
• 39:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is very good.
• 39:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Cinderella is adorable aside from the new backstory implicating Ella's parents in working with the East India Trade Company, perhaps the single most racist corporation in history.
• 39:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's a good thing they're dead.
• 39:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you know, they were alive and being treated dyes, but it's it's about the British aristocracy That's unfortunately accurate.
• 40:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean he married a terrible person.
• 40:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like it.
• 40:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I've gone out Four weddings in a funeral was despite being these act kind of film I normally reject Lovely and finally sell for Hugh Grant Maurice is a new slam dunk favorite for both of us still haven't seen four weddings in a funeral
• 40:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I remember when I was a kid, when that first came out, I was like 11 when that movie came out.
• 40:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yeah, I'm 94.
• 40:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a scene where John Hanna gives a eulogy.
• 40:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh.
• 40:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just cried my eyes out of it.
• 40:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: The funeral part of 40's in a funeral.
• 40:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very underrated part of 40's in a funeral.
• 40:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's amazing.
• 40:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Tuesday, February 10th.
• 40:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 40:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Double-feature number three.
• 40:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jubilee artists whisper of the heart and at the wind rises.
• 40:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
• 40:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Whisper of the heart remains a subtle delight in the wind rises remains a wall to God.
• 40:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: even got A to share it here, which is no small feat.
• 40:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a lot of A. I guess A is a stature.
• 40:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Metaphorically.
• 40:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, just when you have, when you have someone who you watch a lot of movies with and they're not, some people cry really easily, some people get scared really easily, some people laugh at anything.
• 41:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: But when they don't necessarily respond,
• 41:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: easily to something.
• 41:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: They don't necessarily feel romantic when they watch romantic comedy or they don't laugh easily at a comedy or they don't cry very easily to movie and then they do.
• 41:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 41:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: You never forget it.
• 41:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: My dad almost never cried at movies.
• 41:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Cryed at Armageddon.
• 41:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I will never be mad at Armageddon.
• 41:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can all act seriously.
• 41:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's something.
• 41:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Armageddon is kind of a shitty movie in a lot of ways.
• 41:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I will never be mad at that movie.
• 41:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: He got my dad and that was a rare feat.
• 41:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wednesday, February 11th, double-feature number four quiet yearnings in the mood for love and to the wonder Okay, yeah, that's good enough a feature.
• 41:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've argued many a time that there's a lot of movies where
• 41:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Critics like to try it out the word aching or worse aching Lee as an adverb.
• 41:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have one of my few rules in film criticism is you are only allowed to use the words aching or aching Lee in reference to end the mood for love.
• 42:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the only movie.
• 42:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Any other movie you're going to sound that in the mood for love?
• 42:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's that movie to a tip.
• 42:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly that movie.
• 42:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's perfect.
• 42:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but B-Road, this was A's first one car Y and A's first Terrence Malik.
• 42:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: They enjoyed both.
• 42:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: These are to me anyway, merely decent entries in their respective filmographies, and I look forward to showing a more.
• 42:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like to, I like to the wonder, I feel wonder a lot.
• 42:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a great introduction to Terrence Malik, because if you watch a lot of other Terrence Malik, it might seem a little bit like I'll let down, but if this is your first one, it's really good.
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, it's only not good by association with even better ones.
• 42:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to fight him right after a tree of life.
• 42:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's just one of the great of him.
• 42:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to really appreciate the wonder and then you're going to appreciate all these stuff even more.
• 42:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's perfect, perfect introduction.
• 42:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
• 42:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're zeroing in on the all night or on Valentine's Day.
• 42:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thursday, February 12th, the double feature number five secret backstories.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Roman holiday.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 43:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: 1953.
• 43:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And audition.
• 43:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that is a good double feature.
• 43:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a brilliant double feature.
• 43:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 43:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Both of those love stories start with heavy deception.
• 43:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 43:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 43:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And one of them is not.
• 43:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Holy shit.
• 43:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it's so good.
• 43:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: The audition run pool backfired so hard.
• 43:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do not attempt audition run pool on wife during Valentine's Day week.
• 43:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have a holiday at least when it's from.
• 43:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's nice.
• 43:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
• 43:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a firm believer.
• 43:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like a lot of movies.
• 43:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: When you recommend them, you want to say something about it, here's what they're about.
• 43:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here's what's cool about it.
• 43:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Audition is one of the few movies where the only way to recommend it is trust me.
• 43:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just watch it.
• 43:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't even look at the cover if you can avoid it.
• 43:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just watch it.
• 43:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't see a thing about Audition now.
• 43:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Watch it play out.
• 43:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're better off for it.
• 43:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Your evening is going to be much more interesting as a result, but it is not a date movie.
• 43:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the one thing I can tell you.
• 43:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: It might seem like it's not going to be a great date movie.
• 43:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: other than that just don't you know what if you know any more than that if you like it and you take your date and they respond well you found a good date
• 44:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.
• 44:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I remember one of my first dates with Kate was at least my first movie dates with Kate was I went to the materialists.
• 44:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, which is, you know, it's I think it's really good movie, but as a date movie, it's odd.
• 44:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually very cynical about a lot of things about modern love.
• 44:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's bitter about love.
• 44:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you're not going to go home, you know, feeling very elevated.
• 44:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if you go home having a great conversation about the movie, you just saw because it was intellectual and had interesting ideas.
• 44:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good day.
• 44:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a great day.
• 44:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: See Friday 13th Friday February 13th, double feature number six murderous desire.
• 44:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what?
• 44:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Decision to leave.
• 44:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, part of your book.
• 44:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Great choice.
• 44:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, and this is a fun double feature.
• 44:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Our hospitality.
• 44:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Buster Keaton.
• 44:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's really sweet.
• 44:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's uh, Buster Keaton's take on the Hatfield and McCoy's Yeah, uh, kind of feud and boys that movie funny.
• 44:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Goddamn, can Park Chan look direct to movies such a twisted marvellously sweet bummer and Buster Keaton naturally offers the height of spectacle and queer adjacent to charms Hmm, and finally we're up to Saturday, February 14th, Valentine's Day being all eveninger
• 45:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: 12 hours and 27 minutes.
• 45:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Once again presented via one gigantic video file, rough theme, Hollywood classic plus shorts.
• 45:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 45:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Block one, two hours, seven minutes.
• 45:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long date.
• 45:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: 2017.
• 45:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Brilliant.
• 45:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Brilliant.
• 45:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: We need to occupy Emoira 30 seconds.
• 45:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: 12, 15.
• 45:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Much to do about nothing.
• 45:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's one and two.
• 45:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Kenneth Brana, 48 minutes.
• 45:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Three or three much to do with nothing at two, seen three from 2011, the Joss Weedon version.
• 45:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
• 45:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh no excuse me, no, not the Joss Weedon version.
• 45:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what's that?
• 45:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: A 2011 version that I'm not so familiar with.
• 45:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that.
• 45:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Robert Delamir and Josie Rork, 18 minutes from now on.
• 45:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then back to Brana's version, for act three, 3204PM World of tomorrow on Hertzfeld's short,
• 46:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, which We're going to demonstrate kind of a bar, but uh three forty one p.m. Sheng Rilla ten minutes is a bell sound of all three fifty one p.m. Dojoji Temple 1976 nineteen minute short from ketechiro Kawamoto
• 46:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh... four ten p.m. at long-long man colon zoo another thirty second yes and four eleven p.m. a six hundred ninety second break number one explanation uh... and i both enjoy the first half of much do significantly more than the second half as the slut shaming plot simply bums us out and so we start to the first half the scene from the devoured tenent slash catheter and eight much to do all it's a lot of
• 46:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh... spliced into brand is using the multi-ending title cards and music from cloo the much of you much of his first mutual rewatch is along with long-long man series eleven award-winning advertisements for a japanese gummy candy the tell the story of a love triangle between a woman a man who enjoys short gummy candy and a man who enjoys long gummy candy if you have never seen
• 47:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: the long-long man commercials.
• 47:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I am dead fucking series about this.
• 47:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: That is a fucking journey.
• 47:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: We don't get a lot of like serialized commercials in America.
• 47:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: We never really did.
• 47:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: When we did it was always kind of novel, like there was the, what was it?
• 47:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anthony Stewart had from Buffy was in a series of coffee commercials about like people who started dating when they were middle age and how it made their kids uncomfortable, but they were good together and they were coffee.
• 47:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Long-long man is a series of commercials about a guy who loves short candy.
• 47:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: He is in love with a girl But she started in the pale a little bit more attention to this guy.
• 47:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: He lives really long candy and the long candy has like a thing was like Long man And you think you know what it's going you think you know where this love triangle where it's gonna go
• 48:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is, it will not go there.
• 48:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: It has so many twists and turns.
• 48:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the ending is fucking exquisite.
• 48:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is great.
• 48:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it looks cinema.
• 48:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it looks like being included all of these.
• 48:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, yeah, no, you should watch these slides.
• 48:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, you should watch, there's commercials, there's a bunch of them, but you can get through them all like that, like less than 10 minutes.
• 48:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, seriously, you will thank me.
• 48:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Watch the long, long man commercials.
• 48:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're delightful.
• 48:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, here is block two to ours 41 minutes for 21 PM long long man bike career.
• 48:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah 422 PM Captain blood Michael That's a good one.
• 48:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean by movie six 22 p.m. Yo Han soccer, but maybe Joanne soccer blue Camila Aurora guns.
• 48:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was a 28 minute short.
• 48:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not familiar with it.
• 48:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm six 50 p.m. Long long man entrance 6 51 p.m. At the second 692nd break
• 49:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: A childhood favorite of A's kept in blood and ended up being the only film we disliked from the entire week, essentially a practice run for the adventures of Robin Hood But with ships the enslavement themed romance fully wiffs it and no amount of musical scores spectacle can salvage the film I think it's one of those frustrating ones because like a character ends up getting involved in like
• 49:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: The slave trade, and I'm very, very unfortunate way, which is pretty common.
• 49:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's this big epic adventure from that era that won some Oscars called Anthony Advers.
• 49:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
• 49:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was very well received at the time, but that guy gets into the slave trade and it's fucked up.
• 49:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Captain Blood, it's pretty, it's relatively like it's not.
• 49:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a little normal, I think that's what I'm gonna call it nine, but it's not a more benign than I think.
• 49:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's, I still think it's possible to mostly enjoy the movie because there's a lot of really wonderful stuff in there.
• 49:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a great swordfight with Basil Rathbone.
• 49:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that one's a complete wash, but yeah, there's an asteroid's gone.
• 49:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: But, but B. says, uh, John Sochroblus, the micro-budget parody of Amelia Perez, by a Mexican trans woman, a thoroughly hilarious creative cutthroat roast.
• 50:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he press was not made by a Mexican person or a trans person.
• 50:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, no, no.
• 50:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Guy, Guy didn't even really go there.
• 50:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I think I got the gist and everyone's like, no, but ain't that for like 13 Oscars.
• 50:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, no, what if we don't do that?
• 50:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I'll block number three.
• 50:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh three hours nineteen minutes seven or two p.m. Longland man jealousy seven or three p.m. working girls by dorthy ours nerd seven minutes nineteen thirty one nice um eight twenty p.m. a world of tomorrow episode two the burden of other people's thoughts by dawn hurts now the twenty three minute short
• 50:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Don Hurts felt as an animator, I'm not sure you know, not a lot of stuff.
• 50:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Watch rejected, that's his most best, but he's lately in the last 15 years or so.
• 50:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's done a lot more, like, you know, very complicated, and it's very, very soft for the whole stuff.
• 51:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: 843 pm, Song of the Thin Man.
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, 87 minutes, 10 PM a long-long man's secret and 10 11 PM 690 second bracket number 3.
• 51:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone, please watch Dorothy Arsner movies.
• 51:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're so fun.
• 51:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: And while we have finally seen everything man movie, which is one of the most consistently entertaining franchises.
• 51:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Either as it's ever seen, come for the murder, stay for the alcoholism.
• 51:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 51:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's all of them, isn't it?
• 51:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, basically the murder plots are fun that some of them are better than others, but basically you're there to see these people beat tipsy and self-crimes and they're pretty much the same way to each fun and they're sexy and they're great and by the end, Astas and Alcoholic as well.
• 51:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm kidding asked us their dog.
• 51:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's their very charming dog and I've noticed it coming up less and less But for for many decades I thought we only read every single Crossword.
• 51:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the letter combination.
• 51:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: ASTA astoundingly useful in a crossword.
• 51:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that dog became like famous to people who will never even a herd of the thin man But they know that that's the thin man dog
• 52:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great day.
• 52:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Block 4, 2 hours, 35 minutes, 10 21 PM, long, long man, lie, 10 22 PM, any heart beat, 2017, Beth David and Esteban Bravo, a four minute short, 10 36 PM, Frank Ozefer Lee's Romeo and Juliet, 138 minutes.
• 52:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh... twelve forty four a.m. a long-long man proposal and ten twelve forty five a.m. in middle of the night another six hundred ninety second break.
• 52:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Zefer at least production is so pretty and so well acted murkishio's death is shockingly bleak one can almost forget how fundamentally gross and funky stupid play is.
• 52:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're after my own heart.
• 52:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And also my least favorite Shakespeare play.
• 52:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I also helped grow St. Franco's efferaleas, unfortunately.
• 52:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 52:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you ever saw with Mel and I, a lot of that was inspired by, unfortunately, Franco's efferaleas, yeah.
• 52:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: The glissifius behavior toward young men.
• 52:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 52:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I will remember exactly the extremely crutch forward costumes always.
• 52:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of like, oh my god.
• 53:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone, it was always just like, oh, David Bowie's package and Labyrinth, every dude in that Romeo and Juliet movie is, like, shoved like eight gym socks.
• 53:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's crotch, it's just like you, I was a kid, I was like, is...
• 53:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I, I don't know.
• 53:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel inadequate.
• 53:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man.
• 53:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a feeling weird.
• 53:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, block five.
• 53:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Final block.
• 53:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 53:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: One hour, 45 minutes.
• 53:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: So 12.56 am, long, long, man, taxi.
• 53:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: 12.57 am, anima.
• 53:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Paul Thomas Anderson short, 15 minutes from 2019.
• 53:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
• 53:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: One 12 am, a world of tomorrow episode, 3D Absence Estination of David Prime, and other don, Don Hertzfeld felt short, 34 minutes from 2020.
• 53:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: one forty six a.m. the Philadelphia story uh... one forty six a.m. you gotta get a nice nice one starting at the party the night before the wedding uh... George uh... dutch croaker only fifty four minutes of it uh... two two forty a.m. long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-long-
• 54:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And finally, 24 AM long-long man, true love, 90 seconds.
• 54:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the epic of them, that'll be the second one.
• 54:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 54:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: As sort of a compliment to much of do, we collectively prefer the latter half of the Philadelphia story, our other rewatch, significantly more than the former, watching a bunch of loopy people at 4 AM while you are self-releupied, 2 AM is ideal.
• 54:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Throw in the epic conclusions of the world of tomorrow and long-long man and to the bookends to our marathon come together at last 242 a.m The end to die.
• 54:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for your time.
• 54:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be ill and we're great.
• 54:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, big.
• 54:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
• 54:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's that's a hell of a
• 54:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm tired just thinking about that because that's only a week.
• 54:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a whole week, my God.
• 54:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a bummer that you hit a couple of landmines in the middle, but it's a great, it's a great, great, great, damn schedule.
• 54:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to give Eleanor like her own movie theater and just let her see what she program, so I can just go.
• 54:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, what do we got next?
• 55:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see, we have a letter from them.
• 55:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: see a 54 hi 54 and I go by whatever name you sign off on some people want their name to be read on the podcast or there's don't and if you leave nothing I'm just going to assume you want to be anonymous which is we're going to err on the side of college every time this is a letter in two parts the first part first part first
• 55:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: In years past, I've sent my top 10 list, but I've been busy more on that later, so I wasn't planning to send my top 10 list for 2025.
• 55:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: That is until your recent Oscars run down when I believe it was Whitney, said he hadn't met any critic who had trained dreams as their favorite movie of 2025.
• 55:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: up here we go while i'm not a professional film critic train dreams is my top movie of 2025 for the majority of the year it had been sinners a great movie and i'll be happy for all the awards it will win but after i finish train dreams i found myself thinking about it every day for the next month the visuals are gorgeous and the ideas and uh the story is explore story explorers are incredibly impactful to me
• 55:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to go into depth, but my full top 10 is train dreams at number one with sinners, no other choice, one battle after another, and eternity right behind it, with Bugonia, Hamlet, Frankenstein and Wakeup Deadman running out my top 10.
• 56:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Very reasonable list, all right.
• 56:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Second part second, I've been writing screenplays.
• 56:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, as a hobby for the last 15 years.
• 56:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Recently, I started a project where I'm streaming the entire process of writing a screenplay on Twitch.
• 56:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow, my goodness.
• 56:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's bold.
• 56:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's like a good-dard experiment.
• 56:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right-ers block it all, I imagine.
• 56:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: So far, my chat and I have settled on a premise developed the main characters and started the outline for the story.
• 56:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Currently, we're 12 days into the process.
• 56:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Before I go into writing the actual screenplay, I wanted to see if either of you had any screenwriting advice.
• 56:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've read some books and listened to some podcasts from authors and screenwriters, but I thought it might be interesting to hear another perspective yours.
• 56:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: PS, bonus third part.
• 56:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm listening to your iron list on cinematography, and I wanted to know if Whitney has watched Satan Tango yet, and if so what are your thoughts.
• 57:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I consider it one of the all-time greats.
• 57:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: The only issue I have is the sequence with the girl in the cat.
• 57:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: The rest of the film is amazing, RIP Belotar.
• 57:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I did not get to watch Satan tango.
• 57:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: My wife left town for a little bit, and this was my big bachelor plan.
• 57:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: The apartment to myself, I'm going to put my son to bed.
• 57:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to imagine like, we're going to put myself a bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.
• 57:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: We need his underwear sliding in.
• 57:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I've got to want to launch it.
• 57:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to see seven and a half of our movie from Hungary.
• 57:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, the scene with the cat is, I don't even want to describe it, but it's
• 57:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, no, I didn't get to see it yet, unfortunately, but I do have it, and it's still waiting in my future.
• 57:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, regarding screenwriting advice, uh, there's so much screenwriting advice out there.
• 57:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I actually made written screenwriting in college, uh, one thing we talk about sometimes is how Whitney and I, whether we agree on a movie or disagree on a movie, uh, we tend to approach them from slightly different angles, I tend to be very, uh,
• 58:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: structure forward.
• 58:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot about how the narrative is constructed and how we've seen connects to all the others and how narrative arcs work and how themes are explored throughout and how they manage and mismanage various tropes and Whitney doesn't always care about that.
• 58:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which is perfectly fine by the way.
• 58:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just my, you know, source.
• 58:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's where I pull from mostly.
• 58:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can get a book.
• 58:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can buy save the cat and learn about structure.
• 58:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can read by save the cat But don't treat it as it's not to do.
• 58:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not holy read.
• 58:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely not holy.
• 58:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a general way to think about stuff So you can talk about it really easily, but it's basically all about how every movie Essentially has a similar structure, but only if you break it down to it's
• 59:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Bear components.
• 59:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Every movie has a first shot.
• 59:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Every movie gets around to telling you what it's about pretty quickly.
• 59:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Every movie introduces its characters.
• 59:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Every movie has something happened to those characters.
• 59:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And bigger small.
• 59:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: You start unpacking it.
• 59:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, it always happens around page 15.
• 59:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so some people said, well, now they have to do that.
• 59:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not something.
• 59:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's whether happens on page 30 or not.
• 59:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're just all going to have a similar
• 59:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: One of the best pieces of advice I had from my screenwriting professors was, and it really shaped the way I think it's a critic a lot, because it had a lot to do with cliches, tropes, a lot of things that my hair talked about, I don't like cinema sins.
• 59:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people frown on some very familiar storytelling tropes that we've assembled over the year.
• 59:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Character types.
• 59:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 59:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or just weird shorthands.
• 59:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see this one very often, I think, war, but like, is this person going to go away on a bus, and then we're from across the street, the bus comes, and then the bus leaves, and they're still there, they're going to stay with their girlfriend.
• 1:00:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was a cliche, I don't see it as often as I used to, but my professor said something really clever about that, which is we might look down on a trope, we might look down on the show, oh, it's overused.
• 1:00:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: We used them because they worked.
• 1:00:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: They worked at least once.
• 1:00:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if it worked only once, we wouldn't keep using them.
• 1:00:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: They worked consistently because they convey information clearly.
• 1:00:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes not always great, sometimes we need to do better, but if the thing is is that if you're using a trope, it's not necessarily a bad thing.
• 1:00:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: The bad thing is, if you're using a trope, but you can think of something better.
• 1:00:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:00:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So don't look down on a trope unless you can come up with a better way to do that.
• 1:00:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:00:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you can, great.
• 1:00:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Congratulations.
• 1:00:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: You cracked it and sometimes people do.
• 1:00:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: But tropes are not a terrible thing.
• 1:00:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exposition is not a terrible thing.
• 1:00:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, goodness no.
• 1:00:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here's a bit of advice on exposition because a lot of people, in some movies don't need a lot.
• 1:01:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like some movies are just about people in a house.
• 1:01:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't need a ton.
• 1:01:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm moving like, event horizon, where you need to explain how a fucking wormhole works.
• 1:01:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:01:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to front load that.
• 1:01:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to put all that information at the, so the audience knows where you're standing.
• 1:01:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
• 1:01:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: The audience needs the information you put it in the front.
• 1:01:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you can, you're making a choice.
• 1:01:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, this is true for almost all narrative writing.
• 1:01:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can't tell a long form narrative story without picking your battles.
• 1:01:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to run into a situation where I need to convey this information and there's no way to do it that isn't at least a little clunky.
• 1:01:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: What's more important?
• 1:01:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not being clunky or your audience knowing what's going on.
• 1:01:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're going to have to choose.
• 1:01:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I will always prefer clarity.
• 1:01:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that is a little clunky.
• 1:01:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, get it out of the way.
• 1:01:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, we can focus on the stuff that really matters.
• 1:01:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: The characters, the emotions, the themes, the plot even.
• 1:01:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just like, get it out of the way.
• 1:01:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do it.
• 1:01:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry so much about that.
• 1:01:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's something that you can always make more nuanced later.
• 1:02:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, there's a lot of feature films, especially like action pictures.
• 1:02:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: where the filmmakers assume that they need to give some information to the audience.
• 1:02:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: But they don't want to stop the movie so we can have a conversation.
• 1:02:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So they always have somebody yelling information maybe in the middle of a car chase.
• 1:02:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:02:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I hate that because now there's two things I need to pay attention to.
• 1:02:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:02:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay, can we just sort of have the car chase where people are sort of fearing for their lives?
• 1:02:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: If that were real, if I were in a car chase, I wouldn't be in a place where I'm absorbing a lot of important information, even if somebody's yelling at the problem is what you're doing.
• 1:02:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: From the the driver's seat, you know, so don't worry about trying to live in those things up.
• 1:02:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's okay to tell a not show.
• 1:02:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of film schools like to say show don't tell, and that's really just a way of encouraging you to think of things visually, communicate information visually, it's okay to tell, that's all right, it's okay to have a long blocks of dialogue, yeah, I like long blocks of dialogue, in terms of structure, in terms of storytelling, in terms of communicating all this information,
• 1:03:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: All of that is not going to be important if you are writing a boring movie, because all of those things can be done impeccably, and the film can still turn out incredibly dull.
• 1:03:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: One of my screenwriting professors had the only rule you can't break.
• 1:03:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't be boring.
• 1:03:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the best piece of screenwriting advice I ever heard came from of all people, Kevin Smith.
• 1:03:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Kevin Smith said, right, the movie you want to say,
• 1:03:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
• 1:03:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:03:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is it really weird?
• 1:03:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Who cares?
• 1:03:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is it going to sell?
• 1:03:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Who cares?
• 1:03:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:03:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: The thing that you have always wanted to see on the big screen.
• 1:03:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:03:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Think of a movie that you've never seen or a way to do it that you've never seen before and write it because if you want it, someone else does.
• 1:03:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if that's the thinking, if, yeah, if you have a deep desire to see this movie, somebody else out there also wants to see it.
• 1:04:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was only M. Night Shymelond, after he made his first, well, technically it was the second movie, White Oake, like a student film, it was like a feature.
• 1:04:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: But after White Oake wasn't a hit, he was like, I need to get my career back on track.
• 1:04:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And what he said was, I'm paraphrasing, but I need to write a script that no one in their right mind would turn down.
• 1:04:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good one too because you know what a good movie looks like in your head You know what it looks like.
• 1:04:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, keep riding it until it looks like that.
• 1:04:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's that's good advice as well I was thinking about there's a really There's a fun YouTube channel called Chris and Jack
• 1:04:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: they do sketch comedy.
• 1:04:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes with like really impressive production values, but a lot of their stuff is deconstructing something familiar like movie clichés.
• 1:04:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a really, really good one they have called the moments between the montage.
• 1:04:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:04:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So one thing you'll notice from people are giving exposition in a movie or TV show.
• 1:05:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: is they'll say something like, okay, here's how we're gonna pull the heist.
• 1:05:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna do this and then it like cuts to them in a car, sticking out the location, and then they're gonna continue that thought as if no time has actually occurred, because in the edit, no time has occurred.
• 1:05:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: In reality, they got in a car and drove there.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So they show you the entire montage.
• 1:05:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then they show you everything that happened in the middle.
• 1:05:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: OK. And what's great is that some of the things that feel like they're part of the exposition turn out to have nothing to do with it.
• 1:05:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
• 1:05:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: But once you know the full contact, it's really, really clever.
• 1:05:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: We do all these shows for reason and that's fine, but seriously, that's the most important advice.
• 1:05:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right something you want to see and keep writing it until it feels like a real movie.
• 1:05:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can do that, you're good.
• 1:05:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or just write it in a way that would please as you.
• 1:05:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can break all of those rules.
• 1:06:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You can write characters however you want.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's your playground.
• 1:06:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're not stretching, then you know, why are you bothering?
• 1:06:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're not making something that you are excited about, why are you bothering?
• 1:06:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I understand that a lot of people do write for a living.
• 1:06:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do that.
• 1:06:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've taken on a rather inspiring, uh,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: axiom to sort of push me through my workday.
• 1:06:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Inspirations for suckers.
• 1:06:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can't just wait for the amused hit.
• 1:06:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you sometimes just got to sit and run?
• 1:06:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you've got to crank it out.
• 1:06:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think if you're really prolific, you might start writing things that are a little bit cliche, or you might be repeating yourself a little bit.
• 1:06:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: but your constantly going to be honing as well.
• 1:06:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if you are the kind of person who just writes all the time, keep on doing that.
• 1:06:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Also, if you write enough and I'm sure it sounds like you've been writing for a while, so you probably already know that if you write enough, you're going to find that you have a way of doing it.
• 1:06:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And
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  [SPEAKER_01]: My best advice is don't fight that for like years.
• 1:07:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I tried to when I was writing screenplayers I was like writing a trend like serious crime drama and stuff and I would inevitably get bored every few pages and try making funny And eventually I realized and this is filtered and I realized it don't write screenplay anymore, but like I write criticism and I realized that like
• 1:07:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: trying to write the way I think other people want to meet or write didn't help me.
• 1:07:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's good to know what they expect and what some of the conventions of the medium are, so that you can respond to them or choose when to follow them or not follow them.
• 1:07:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: But...
• 1:07:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Once you're doing it enough that you have your own voice, don't fight your voice.
• 1:07:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're funny, let yourself be funny.
• 1:07:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're not funny, don't try to make jokes.
• 1:07:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's not who you are.
• 1:07:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're doing this.
• 1:07:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And when I finally started writing reviews where I let my brain go, but more free flowing and start from really bizarre, unexpected places and work my way back into the movie, only then did people actually start telling me I was doing a really good job.
• 1:08:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, because I was writing what I what I actually wanted to write or not that's what it felt like it felt like me Didn't feel like anyone else wrote it.
• 1:08:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, that's a great thing to do, right like you I took a great deal of screenwriting and criticism Inspiration from of all people learned stern 18th century author.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I who are the life and opinions of Tristrum Shandey
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what it was like here.
• 1:08:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which was like, it's this big sort of mosaic of a over-of-work of literature.
• 1:08:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I really highly recommend it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But his stick was that it was run on sentences.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Just go on and on and on and go on, like, classes within clauses and kind of lose the point as you're going along.
• 1:08:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the joke of the book.
• 1:08:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:08:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Every almost each would tell you never to do that.
• 1:08:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you do it.
• 1:08:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do it right long run on since it's put clauses within clauses Be as complicated and as we're find your style if you're short and snappy and I can be short and snappy as well Do that sure, but yeah, but roll roll with your style right with the movie you want to see and You know fuck the rest
• 1:09:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sarah's like, yeah, no Sarah's, and um, and if you want to learn how to write the conventional Hollywood way, there's a ton of places to do it.
• 1:09:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: What's the name of the book Thomas Lenin and Ben Doron?
• 1:09:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's writing movies for fun and profit, but the fun and part is crossed off.
• 1:09:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to learn, and I mean, and this is like, if you want to be a Hollywood screenwriter for a higher, like if you want that to be your job, if you want to be a professional, and I mean, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart, if you want to be a hack,
• 1:09:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to, just make a little picture.
• 1:09:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Write the movie, the studio wants you to make.
• 1:09:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: and get and just get away with it and you'll maybe you'll make a good movie sometimes, maybe you won't, but that's not your responsibility.
• 1:09:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're just there to do what they tell you to do.
• 1:09:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a book about swallowing your pride.
• 1:09:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, they have a whole chapter about how great it is when you're fired from a job.
• 1:09:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:09:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because you get credit, you get your full paycheck and you're done.
• 1:10:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:10:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: You get to go home.
• 1:10:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's, it's great when they get fired from the screenwriting project.
• 1:10:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I admire that book for how,
• 1:10:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: honest and upfront it is about how sometimes this is a fucking job and you're just doing your job and you're trying to get to five o'clock so you can go to the fuck home and they had to have some really great advice like if you're in a position where you have to take studio notes you get a note and your response is yes I can do that.
• 1:10:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter how stupid the note is, your response is, yes, I can do that.
• 1:10:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Can we turn the characters into pies?
• 1:10:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we can do that, and you start writing it that way.
• 1:10:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is a good thing about just notes in general, people give you notes.
• 1:10:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: There are some people who know so much of what they're doing, that they can give you a perfect note.
• 1:10:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:10:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they can, they can, they don't only know that something's wrong, they know exactly what went wrong in the creative process and how to fix it.
• 1:10:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not everybody knows that, not everybody is so cognizant of the creative process and how movies work that they can tell you exactly what's wrong.
• 1:11:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: They'll tell you what they think is wrong.
• 1:11:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: But that's not necessarily what's wrong.
• 1:11:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: If they tell you that the ending doesn't work, the problem isn't necessarily the ending.
• 1:11:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: The problem may be that you didn't set up the importance of something 60 pages earlier.
• 1:11:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if you can figure out the note behind the note, you can make everybody happy.
• 1:11:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because clearly something is off, they didn't like something.
• 1:11:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: But just because they can recognize a problem, doesn't mean they recognize how the problem happened.
• 1:11:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:11:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's your job as the writer.
• 1:11:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the appeal of the criticism, and if it's not good criticism or criticism you're wanting to listen to it, you don't have to follow it necessarily unless you're working for a studio and then it's your job.
• 1:11:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: but listen to it because they there's might be a nugget of something in there even if they're not entirely right around your way of life I did like a meltbrook salsa has a great bit of advice when it comes to notes because you return in this comedy screen plays
• 1:12:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the studio is saying, Oh, this is very, very good, but here are some notes.
• 1:12:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he would look at all the notes.
• 1:12:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, Oh, yes, I can do that.
• 1:12:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I can do that and change that.
• 1:12:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:12:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he'd like look at all of the notes.
• 1:12:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then he would walk out of the door through all of the notes away and not do any of it.
• 1:12:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like he just ignored every possible note.
• 1:12:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was he produced a couple of very serious movies at that he didn't call a lot of attention to it because he knew the main would be elephant man in the
• 1:12:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because one of those, and I can't remember which one it was, but they screamed it for the studio heads and this I think it was the elephant man But I could be right the studio heads like all we have all of these notes and Nell Brooks wrote back and said I'm paraphrasing but he said We have entered into a business arrangement in which you give us money to make the film we discussed We are showing you the work in progress.
• 1:12:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: We weren't asking for your help
• 1:12:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: that is not what this is.
• 1:12:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: We are showing you in good faith how the project you agree to is coming along.
• 1:13:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the end of it.
• 1:13:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mel Brooks did not fuck around well done Mel Brooks got screwed over on blazing settles because he didn't pay enough attention to his contract and he never let that happen to him again if you don't know what we're talking about Mel Brooks never wanted to do a sequel to blazing settles so he had a closet is contract that said as long as the network doesn't do anything new with blazing settles over I think I've like a year after it was made or something like that um
• 1:13:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: He can retain the rights, or he can reject any idea they have to do more.
• 1:13:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then when they said, hey, we want to do more stuff, and he was like, well, you don't get to.
• 1:13:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, oh, no, what about the Blazing Saddles TV series?
• 1:13:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, there's no Blazing Saddles TV series.
• 1:13:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they said, yeah, we made a season of it.
• 1:13:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: It started Lou Gossett Jr. and we never intended to show it to anyone.
• 1:13:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: They filmed an entire season.
• 1:13:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just to keep the rights to Blazing Saddles.
• 1:14:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: They never intended to show it to anyone to this day, as far as I know, only the pilot episode has ever been shown.
• 1:14:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's on the blue ray for one of the blazing saddles releases.
• 1:14:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: But that's the only reason they made it was the fuck over Mel Brooks.
• 1:14:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, get your contract together.
• 1:14:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I digress.
• 1:14:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: We should move on.
• 1:14:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think we have time for one, two more.
• 1:14:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, here's a letter from Mirror Universe Harry mud.
• 1:14:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh god, gentle beings.
• 1:14:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I must applaud you on your recent review of the Star Trek
• 1:14:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: inheritance about data meeting his quote mother julyana trainer Yeah, this is this is in our patreon exclusive podcast.
• 1:14:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's all called all our yesterdays we're reviewing every episode of Star Trek in order We're almost done with Star Trek the next generation, which means we will be done with three whole Star Trek series original series the animated series and next gen and we've already started Deep Space Nine because they were running concurrently so that's hundreds of episodes
• 1:14:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: where we're getting close to generations, the movie, and shortly thereafter, Star Trek Voyager is going to start off.
• 1:15:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we're really talking along here.
• 1:15:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:15:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we did one where data meets his mom and the drum of the episode was they discover that data's mom, that is the wife of his creator.
• 1:15:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, data's an Android if you don't want Star Trek.
• 1:15:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: They discover that she also is an Android.
• 1:15:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:15:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: But she doesn't know.
• 1:15:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like everything about her makeup was to fool people into thinking she's human.
• 1:15:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the actual woman died and the guy who created data created a replica of her body and what her consciousness, like download her consciousness into it, and let her think she was human.
• 1:15:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:15:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure if he downloaded her consciousness, but try to recreate it.
• 1:15:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he made her way to copy it.
• 1:15:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a lot of news.
• 1:15:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they ended up doing that later on in the series with another character by that rest.
• 1:15:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 1:15:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're, you're taken on the intended moral issue being addressed in the script, whether it's right or wrong to reveal to her that trainer isn't Android and not a human was exceptional,
• 1:15:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: However, I must taste you to task.
• 1:15:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
• 1:15:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: An issue that never occurred to me until lately, nowhere in the text of the episode is it stated that the human Julia trainer gave soon her permission to cheat death and transfer her consciousness into a fucking robot.
• 1:16:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:16:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: What was soon's rationale for his heinous act?
• 1:16:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd miss her because he would miss her, not because before she died she told me to.
• 1:16:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, because a man decided on the well-being of a woman without her knowledge or endorsement.
• 1:16:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: uh... point one soon decided that true trainer bought couldn't handle the trust uh... couldn't handle the truth of her existence and programmed her to shut down with this be acceptable if she were human uh... sooner or later shut down under two consequences is if there was a situation in which he could find out she was a robot like her arm got pulled off or also she had intended her to live at a normal human life so the robot was scheduled to sort of randomly die of natural causes after a good long human life
• 1:16:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, uh, soon decided how long Trainerbot had to live before she died with this being acceptable if she was alive.
• 1:16:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:16:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And most egregious of all the install of all, he installed a replica of himself hidden in her brain to mansplain her existence.
• 1:17:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: If soon was morally corrupt enough to justify these modifications to Julia 2.0, what other improvements might have been installed.
• 1:17:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: We can infer that since a JT2 is married, that like her son data, she is fully functional.
• 1:17:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe JT2 is more adventurous than she was before.
• 1:17:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
• 1:17:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And God helped the sick bastards that program JT2 to experience PMS.
• 1:17:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:17:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
• 1:17:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: to do a program in hot flashes like what are you doing for this person we're really thinking this through now to be honest i didn't pick up on this the first time i watched it i didn't question it until fairly recently it's just one of those science fiction tropes that we accept and didn't start questioning until lately and as long as the end results uh is that as long as the dying party gets quote super powers you can do anything with them you want look forward to hearing your thoughts best regards mirry universe harry mud
• 1:17:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, that's actually an interesting point because, you know, we talked about the more ramifications of, do we tell her if she's human or not, which is the last chunk of the episode.
• 1:18:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we have some disagreements on that.
• 1:18:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have different perspectives.
• 1:18:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that star trek often at its best when it's dealing with a complex moral or ethical issue, which there isn't a cutter-dry explanation, but the characters are so intelligent and come at the problems and so many different angles that they either come up with the best possible solution or the very least they come up with a solution that makes sense with their character.
• 1:18:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: The idea that sung functionally created a Frankenstein monster and would need to be judged on the same level as Dr. Frankenstein.
• 1:18:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is very reasonable.
• 1:18:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the reason why we didn't gravitate towards that in the podcast was because while we can find absolutely a ton of fault with that,
• 1:18:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: by the point we reach in the episode, the damage is done on that front.
• 1:18:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now we need to discuss the reality of what we're living with now as opposed to whether or not it was right to create or in the first place.
• 1:18:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was that great scene in episode of Deep Space 9 recently.
• 1:19:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was the one where the recently is in we recently reviewed it on the show.
• 1:19:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: The show's 30 years old, but on
• 1:19:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, a man killed his own clone on the podcast, like he got away with murder and nobody could figure out who he was because he was he was the victim and the murderer.
• 1:19:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, clever story and the way they found that out is there was like a little tiny like patch of cells on the floor of the the kill floor.
• 1:19:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:19:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And Dr. Perchier is like, well, I'm gonna study this and analyze it and he brought it back to sickbay.
• 1:19:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, I need to start putting it in this tank and it actually just started growing and growing.
• 1:19:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't really sure what it was until he finally figured out that was a clone.
• 1:19:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's how they figured out the secret.
• 1:19:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they started, they don't want to find out who it was.
• 1:19:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: They kept growing the clone.
• 1:19:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's like, well, and at one point, it's like, well, we're gonna keep growing this clone.
• 1:19:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: We figured out who it is.
• 1:19:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: It solved the mystery.
• 1:19:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And somebody says, what happens to the clone?
• 1:19:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you made a person.
• 1:19:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: You made a person.
• 1:19:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: You made a person.
• 1:19:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: very positively and very casually.
• 1:19:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Bushier just says just be a living breathing member of society.
• 1:20:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, go ahead and business.
• 1:20:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Give him quarters and a little bit of pride.
• 1:20:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have any of the other guy's memories.
• 1:20:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's this the person.
• 1:20:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: The idea is they create life by accident all the time in Star Trek and it's such a wide universe that they're able to just accommodate it.
• 1:20:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the ethical quandary here.
• 1:20:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's actually not an ethical
• 1:20:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: take care of the thing that lives now.
• 1:20:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the endry is an okay to make it, and it's sometimes, sometimes it's an accident.
• 1:20:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it's an accident, but in terms of data's mom, she had already been made.
• 1:20:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever Dr. Sun's motivations were, even if they were incredibly unsavory, we now have a living being in front of us.
• 1:20:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or conscious being, or conscious being, or conscious being.
• 1:20:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: My biggest issue with the episode remains though.
• 1:20:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's that big a deal to learn that you're a robot It wouldn't change my life to learn that I'm a robot.
• 1:20:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and again, unless unless they say you're a robot And here's how you unlock your robot strength or computer brain, right, but I've felt like a human my whole life what would it change if
• 1:21:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: my origins.
• 1:21:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, depends on what that means to you and I would argue that in that episode, and we're going to get into the weeds on this, you can listen to the episode on our Patreon page if you want to read a whole conversation, but in a nutshell, I think the complexity of it is that data spends his whole life wanting to be human.
• 1:21:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's his dream, that's his goal, and his mother has that.
• 1:21:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: and not for nothing, she has very strong opinions about Android consciousness and Android beings as someone who helps create them in the first place.
• 1:21:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So based on his knowledge of who she is and what she wanted,
• 1:21:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: He might realize that while that may not make a huge difference to you, it might make a huge difference to her.
• 1:21:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:21:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: That might not be something she would become to be living with.
• 1:21:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: That might make her life into depressing state of despair.
• 1:22:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is that helpful if you watch that movie The Fair Well?
• 1:22:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's about a practice about some people and some people like when they get older and there's something There's a condition and it's terminal and there's really nothing you can do There's a side not to teller that that's a terminal condition.
• 1:22:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to do any good To know about it, but everyone else is aware of it and they're very very sad But that's that's a moral quandary.
• 1:22:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's an ethical quandary.
• 1:22:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to agree with whether or not that's the right thing to do But it's what some people do
• 1:22:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's a similar conversation.
• 1:22:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're having that Star Trek episode.
• 1:22:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I love Star Trek because there's so many shows out there and they're really good shows.
• 1:22:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you can watch 100 episodes of them and they're really great.
• 1:22:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you're not gonna have that conversation very often.
• 1:22:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
• 1:22:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And when we're watching Star Trek, yeah, every once in a while, there's a silly one.
• 1:22:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Ripple Stilt's skin is real, that was not a smart episode of Star Trek.
• 1:22:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: But mostly, they're intelligent, they're trying interesting things.
• 1:23:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And on a very regular basis, if you're watching or rewatching any Star Trek series of note, you're going to run into things where I have to think about that.
• 1:23:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's great sci-fi.
• 1:23:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: When they present you with possibilities, narrative, thematic, ethical, moral, personal that couldn't exist in any other medium, but are conveyed in a very human way so that we understand them.
• 1:23:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: We can wrap our heads around them and we can ask ourselves a very simple question.
• 1:23:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: What would we do?
• 1:23:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
• 1:23:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's that's that's great writing man, even if we fit it's great writing because not many people would get us to ask the question at all.
• 1:23:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: We have number one last one.
• 1:23:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 1:23:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Here's another stir trick one.
• 1:23:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: This one comes from David F.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, David F. Hi, dear liquidator bibbs and grand-negous McCool.
• 1:23:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I got to be the negous.
• 1:23:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Firstly, thanks for many, many hours of interesting podcasts and thought-provoking written articles, even rich by enjoyment of many films and shows.
• 1:24:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
• 1:24:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
• 1:24:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
• 1:24:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: We were kind.
• 1:24:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: One of the most constant of those has been Star Trek.
• 1:24:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a long-term trekky.
• 1:24:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've been listening to all of yesterday's roughly since you started next generation.
• 1:24:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm particularly a deep-space
• 1:24:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: and it's been incredibly enjoyable to hear you get to that and start treating it with your usual witty vigor.
• 1:24:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: On said show your joke on your most recent episode about second sight got me thinking prompted by your joke about Jennifer being dead to begin with.
• 1:24:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: A Christmas Carol is obviously one of the most influential stories ever written and I'd argue that one has shown up in Star Trek.
• 1:24:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, you can argue that both the TNG finale, all good things, we're good, absolutely, that's great.
• 1:24:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: And perhaps slightly less obviously the DS9 Pilot Emissary.
• 1:24:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: have strong Christmas Carol elements to them.
• 1:24:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Feel free to discuss, although you may have gotten into this before.
• 1:24:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: My propsooleer question is this, cast a deep-spaced on Christmas Carol.
• 1:24:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Quirk is obviously Scrooge.
• 1:25:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, although in a different way, Odo could be fun here, too, but Quark already has a nephew.
• 1:25:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, particularly, particularly interesting in which interested in which trek actors you'd like to be seeing versions of playing the three or four ghosts, be they deep space nine regulars or guest stars.
• 1:25:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a good bench to pick from.
• 1:25:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, keep up the good work and check out my own show, The Escape Goat Podcast.
• 1:25:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if you hear someone doing a much less professional and productive job at cultural criticism, we're going to save it off.
• 1:25:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't talk yourself down.
• 1:25:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone check out these scapegoats podcast.
• 1:25:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it.
• 1:25:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Also, you think this is professional?
• 1:25:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, we're so slick and lovely.
• 1:25:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I got to tell you some, man.
• 1:25:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I see some of these set-ups, some podcasts, who are like more famous than us.
• 1:25:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm thinking to myself, man, I would, I had some money, which were like a studio and multiple times.
• 1:25:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't happy nice.
• 1:25:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: One of those things that hangs the mic over you, that would be cool.
• 1:25:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's called a boom.
• 1:25:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, not when it's on like that crane arm that like gets like attached to your computer.
• 1:25:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's like another name for that.
• 1:25:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's still called a boom.
• 1:25:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's technically a boom.
• 1:25:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like that crane that arm with like the bendy bit.
• 1:25:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: That has this particular vibe from it.
• 1:26:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like the lamp kind of.
• 1:26:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Pixar looks a little bit.
• 1:26:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: First off, Christmas Carol.
• 1:26:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: What came first, actually?
• 1:26:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just in terms of publication date, the time machine or the Christmas Carol.
• 1:26:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Christmas Carol came first.
• 1:26:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the first time travel story The Dickens might have beaten himself to the punch because it was a very similar story is to a Christmas carol.
• 1:26:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: They really yeah, I don't know if there's there's he did one called the like a Halloween tale
• 1:26:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I like a girl.
• 1:26:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: All your shorts.
• 1:26:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like it was a short story.
• 1:26:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it was like, yeah, grumpy, grave digger, a very scrooge light character.
• 1:26:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's the, you know, missing throat.
• 1:26:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And like goes down into a grave and like is taken through time by goblins.
• 1:26:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Very similar structure.
• 1:26:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I never read that.
• 1:26:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: That sounds awesome.
• 1:26:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I forgot the title, I'll have to check that out, that sounds amazing, but okay, maybe it wasn't the first, but like it's certainly one of the first and most prominent time travel stories.
• 1:26:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: We tend not to think of it as a time travel story, because it's a fantasy story, it's a Christmas story, but Scrooge visits the past, is then able to contextualize it with the present, and then gets a cautionary tale about the future.
• 1:27:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great time travel story.
• 1:27:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of time travel stories have taken a lot of influence from that.
• 1:27:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Star Trek, absolutely.
• 1:27:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: The series finale of Star Trek Next Generation.
• 1:27:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: absolutely takes that format.
• 1:27:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: The car becomes unstuck and time starts living out the past present in future simultaneously and is able to use what he learns from each of those time periods to help solve a singular problem and also we see that the future of what's to come for a record and the other people in the enterprise and some of it's good, some of it's not so good, and maybe it'd be nice to be avoided.
• 1:27:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and maybe it will be.
• 1:27:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: because now we know it and we can control it and we can make choices that are very, very different in our lives.
• 1:27:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the actual very ending, which I know some people are watching these shows along with us.
• 1:27:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the very last shot is not unlike Christmas Carol in terms of Picard, wanting to live in the present.
• 1:28:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of course.
• 1:28:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: But like that's, that's the Christmas go absolutely 100%.
• 1:28:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think that's great.
• 1:28:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a really, really fun thing.
• 1:28:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, regarding casting, um, deep space, no, I would say we're doing this something was another bit.
• 1:28:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, just the idea of people traveling through time to see alternate versions of themselves is all over Star Trek.
• 1:28:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Look, the episode tapestry, I think, is a lot more to do with Christmas Carol.
• 1:28:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the one where he goes back in time and sees the mistakes of his past.
• 1:28:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Try to change them so we can save his own life, but ends up changing his life for the worse.
• 1:28:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the God-like trickster Q is often a direct catalyst for this, because he wants to teach Picard a valuable lesson.
• 1:28:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: This would actually also have a lot to do with, actually, season two of Picard.
• 1:28:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: has some very similar formats to that as well, although that also deals with alternate realities that are created by changing things.
• 1:28:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's fun.
• 1:28:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Deep Space 9, still generally speaking, my favorite Star Trek series, and yeah, we have the perfect Scrooge Quark.
• 1:29:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Quark is
• 1:29:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: an unscrupulous guy which is very uncommon in Star Trek as a main character because every other Star Trek main character we've had was in Starfleet and Starfleet is a utopian socialist paradise where every human being and every person who joined Starfleet has agreed to exist entirely to better themselves through diplomacy.
• 1:29:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 1:29:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Great!
• 1:29:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there's no scrooge there.
• 1:29:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can't do that.
• 1:29:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: So you need somebody who's like kind of miserly ingredient.
• 1:29:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's definitely quirk.
• 1:29:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's cares about money.
• 1:29:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's a Dickens character anyway.
• 1:29:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I would love to see, although I'm not sure how you would pull this off narratively, is someone trying to Christmas Carol Q.
• 1:29:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like show him.
• 1:29:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's no past president or future for him.
• 1:29:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
• 1:29:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how you do it But he's like I think he's actually an even more ideal Scrooge character in a lot of ways because he has all this power Yeah, and doesn't necessarily think a lot of human beings and maybe he could learn to buy the lesson But I don't know how you do that.
• 1:30:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to you.
• 1:30:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the ghost of Christmas past takes him into the past This is your past from billions and billions of years ago.
• 1:30:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, that was a mistake.
• 1:30:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:30:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just fixed it
• 1:30:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:30:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, basically.
• 1:30:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, quark, quark has to learn, and the grand of the trolley wouldn't be Christmas, but he had to learn the value of something.
• 1:30:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: But what's weird is that Dickens, when he was writing a Christmas Carol, he was living in a very Christian country.
• 1:30:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So a Christian idea of charity and giving and forgiveness and love doesn't work for quark because he comes from a society where that isn't the value, that is accepted.
• 1:30:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: That actually is, that would actually be him learnings to reject the values of his culture.
• 1:30:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: It would have to be kind of like an Adam's family inversion of the Christmas Carol tropes, where I'm going to take you into the past.
• 1:30:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh gosh, I could have screwed that guy over so much harder.
• 1:30:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
• 1:30:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I regret that I didn't take more advantage of those.
• 1:30:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Did you ever see the black
• 1:30:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, there's a version of Blackout where he's the nicest guy in the world.
• 1:31:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone walks all over him, and then they show him his past present in future, and he realizes that he would have been much happier as a total asshole.
• 1:31:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's great, so that would be funny.
• 1:31:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think the goal is to, like, let's, let's teach him a little bit.
• 1:31:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's, let's pretend that the ghosts that visit him are starfleet officers.
• 1:31:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: They would have to.
• 1:31:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, the dead, uh, who's Marley been in this like who's supposed to close?
• 1:31:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a rom.
• 1:31:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a rom.
• 1:31:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, rom.
• 1:31:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:31:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the kind of gram, but okay.
• 1:31:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:31:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So rom has died.
• 1:31:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and so rom is going to teach him the air in his ways because while the rest of Frankie culture, maybe got more progressive quark refused.
• 1:31:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, now when it comes to somebody showing him the past, you have to set up somebody
• 1:31:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what's familiar with Frande long before any of the other characters were, which is, she's also a whole Star Trek, but she's we're still at a point in this series where she's like really kind of bland, but she's just sort of one of her personality traits, she's kind of open-minded and compassionate.
• 1:32:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: So she would show him in the past.
• 1:32:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is the kind of messed up a little bit.
• 1:32:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: You could do a lot better than that.
• 1:32:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: She should be very gentle with him.
• 1:32:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then for the present, you need to have someone who is, to live in the present.
• 1:32:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he lives in the present and somebody who maybe really fully enjoys things in the present.
• 1:32:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: My first thought was nudge, but he's not really the happy go lucky.
• 1:32:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: No me better man.
• 1:32:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:32:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, kind of guy.
• 1:32:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so here's hear me out more.
• 1:32:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you don't live, let's start with the next generation.
• 1:32:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Morne is the norm of Quarks bar.
• 1:32:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's always there.
• 1:32:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone loves him, but the gag is we never hear him talk.
• 1:32:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone always talks about how he's a chatterbox, but we never hear him talk.
• 1:32:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, I was thinking, even though in Dick and Story, the Ghost of Christmas present is this very jolly jovial life-loving character.
• 1:32:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he lives in the present, so he's always about enjoying life right now, even though that means eating a lot of food.
• 1:32:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would think from a different angle, Kira would be a good ghost of Christmas present, because she's always dealing with what's right in front of her.
• 1:33:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it brings a huge anxiety.
• 1:33:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure that would help quirk.
• 1:33:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: just deal with what's in front of you.
• 1:33:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, a bit of a hard lesson, but he needs to hear that as well.
• 1:33:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then the ghost of Christmas yet to come.
• 1:33:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's got to go now.
• 1:33:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is, I don't know, I'm gonna come on.
• 1:33:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna get caught.
• 1:33:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 1:33:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was a tough love guy.
• 1:33:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:33:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Odo is going to be the one who is like I'm going to show you in prison and I'm the guy who puts you there and works and I'm like well I don't want that fuck that I don't want to be in prison so while I may or may not change my ways I will at least undo the thing I was going to do that with gonna put me in jail and plot twist there's a fifth ghost hmm it's the uh it's the profit
• 1:33:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: who have no past present or future.
• 1:33:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I mean, that's probably a fabulous show.
• 1:33:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my god.
• 1:33:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, no one is happening at once.
• 1:33:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know what it is?
• 1:33:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or he sees these in the wall.
• 1:33:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Cisco.
• 1:33:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Cisco.
• 1:33:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's the adversary.
• 1:33:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:33:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he gives quirk a vision to tell him like to turn his life around.
• 1:33:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's essentially the role as a religious.
• 1:34:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's the Marley character.
• 1:34:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:34:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why not?
• 1:34:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, let him finally embrace that.
• 1:34:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that could be kind of cool.
• 1:34:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's been manipulating Kork into doing the right thing all the time.
• 1:34:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:34:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Even in the pilot, he was like, I will either throw your nephew in prison, or you keep your bar open on deep space nine, and you help encourage people to stay here, because other business owners are fleeing.
• 1:34:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's been appealing from the start.
• 1:34:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he'd be the Marley.
• 1:34:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
• 1:34:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:34:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then Ron would be the ghost of Christmas pass because he was there for it.
• 1:34:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was there because he was his brother.
• 1:34:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was raised with you.
• 1:34:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I like the idea that it's the Starfleet characters where I have different values than him that have to teach him the lesson.
• 1:34:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it would be like sort of pushing him in the right direction.
• 1:34:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: But Ron was a nicer guy.
• 1:34:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
• 1:34:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Ron is the kind of guy who can be convinced to do that if only because it helped Ron We're like, yes, I want you to be a nicer guy brother and then you can give me half the power
• 1:35:02
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• 1:35:04
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