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REWIND: VAN LATHAN - Angola State Grilled Cheese (Pt. 2) · Eating While Broke

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  Speaker 1: Yo, I talk a lot. I know sometimes it could
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  Speaker 1: be hard to follow me. But if you don't listen
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  Speaker 1: to anything else, I say, listen to this. These people
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: don't give a fuck about you. We didn't talked like
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: your dad has passed away. I took you outside the office.
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: We've talked about it, We've gone through all of this.
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  Speaker 1: You wouldn't do this to me. Not only will they
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: they're going to. Yeah, like they're going to do it.
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: It's like they're going to do you. You You're gonna
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: get done. You will be done like something like if
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: you are, if you are making the track towards being
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: somebody important or influential, somebody is going to do you.
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: There's no magic or sinister story to a divorce. Sometimes
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: it don't work out. It just doesn't work out. But
• 1:16
  Speaker 1: you want to believe certain people will never be happy
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: because their lifestyles are antithetical to happiness in a relationship.
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  Speaker 1: So you want to you want to believe like like you,
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  Speaker 1: like you, you you. You want to believe that right.
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: You want to believe that teams gives you that. In
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: order to do that, TMZ has to treat those people
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  Speaker 1: like they're not people. They have to treat them as
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  Speaker 1: if their concepts celebrity is not a person.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I guess TMZ comes off a little bit
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  Speaker 2: invasive and ruthless.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Well, no, because they're.
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  Speaker 2: They're not treating they're they're treating them kind of like.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you have to write like even even the TMZ
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  Speaker 1: tour was a celebrity safari, Like what's on a safari?
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: Animals animals, right and so and so like when when
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: you like the tours celebrities for its animals, right, and
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: so you do that, right and what you what you
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  Speaker 1: say is okay, Well, in order to be a celebrity,
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  Speaker 1: the game is pr at its base, right, So this
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: is what you sign up for kind of right, because
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: like there are certain things that you don't sign up for.
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  Speaker 1: I'll never talk I'll never I'll never forget this. There
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: was the sister of a celebrity that had that had
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  Speaker 1: had something taught done to them. I'll never forget. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna talk about who I had the conversation with.
• 2:32
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, we shouldn't do that. And they did
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  Speaker 1: the story and this dude went on fucking and let
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: us fucking have and I was like, yo, we had
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  Speaker 1: to take it down and apologize and do all that
• 2:45
  Speaker 1: stuff like yo, like there's a limit to this. And
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  Speaker 1: that's not me making a moral judgment on team team.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you the way things go. So like
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  Speaker 1: when you know all of that, when you have an
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  Speaker 1: idea of what drives that, Like, obviously there they're moral.
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  Speaker 1: There are things that you have to not care about
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  Speaker 1: to work there. But most of the people there are
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  Speaker 1: good people. They're just desensitized to whatever was going on
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  Speaker 1: there because that's what they work, like like that, like
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  Speaker 1: that's what they do. I'm there. It's the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: Things are coming in at a certain point you go,
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  Speaker 1: god damn, you know, and it's there will be little
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  Speaker 1: small things. This is a football player that had this
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  Speaker 1: video come out of some altercation. It was in and
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  Speaker 1: it said savage beating by this and I was just
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  Speaker 1: looking at the hellline. I'm like, that's I don't think
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  Speaker 1: we should go savage beating there, Like I think savage
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  Speaker 1: is like a it's like an interesting way or there's
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  Speaker 1: just little small things. Uh. The mayor of DC died,
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  Speaker 1: Maror Marion Barry Crack. Mayor Marion Barry dies like he
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  Speaker 1: died and like by the way the people in DC
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  Speaker 1: are going to freak the funk out because I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you guys know, but Marion Barry was with
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  Speaker 1: Martin Luther King Junior like where I'm from, Like I
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: deal with a group of people, a community, people that
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  Speaker 1: are always categorized by the worst moment that they have.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't feel comfortable with categorizing a man that
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  Speaker 1: means so much to his city by the worst, most
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  Speaker 1: scandalous thing he ever had. You can't talk about his
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  Speaker 1: life without talking about that, but maybe in the headline
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  Speaker 1: you don't do that. So it so all of those
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  Speaker 1: things start to start to happen. And so for me,
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  Speaker 1: what the place represents is not even so much a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of not even so much a bunch of moral
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  Speaker 1: people that are running around trying to get the dirn
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  Speaker 1: on celebrities. It represents our relationship to celebrity and our
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  Speaker 1: relationship to ourselves because there's no fucking reason whatsoever why
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  Speaker 1: we should spend so much time talking about what happens
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  Speaker 1: in the lives of famous people. It just really like,
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  Speaker 1: at its core, it just doesn't matter. And even to
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  Speaker 1: this day on the podcast, I still do it. And
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: the reason why I still do it. I don't get
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: the stories, but you try to extrapolate larger conversations out
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  Speaker 1: of these things and talk about them with notable people.
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  Speaker 1: But really it's just the need to talk about things
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  Speaker 1: that people care about, and for whatever reason, people care
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  Speaker 1: about celebrity and fame.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, can that makes sense? So going back to your story, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so you're at TMZ for nine years, you said, and
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  Speaker 2: then what happens after that?
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  Speaker 1: After that?
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  Speaker 2: Wait, what happened with your ending in TMZ?
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  Speaker 1: I got fired for what? An altercation inside the office
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  Speaker 1: with a white boy?
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  Speaker 2: You say altercation?
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  Speaker 1: No hands? They say I use hands?
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  Speaker 2: They say you used hands? Did you use hands? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Not in any real way.
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  Speaker 2: I mean not in a real way. What did you
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  Speaker 2: like that?
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  Speaker 1: Like, No, I'm not gonna smack nobody. See, I would
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  Speaker 1: never This is the funny thing that would never happen, Right.
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  Speaker 2: That would never happen. You said, a white boy. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you went light on him, you smacked him.
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  Speaker 1: This guy was my guy, still is my guy. He's
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  Speaker 1: a Republican. Whatever, tell you what happened. I'm an emotional person.
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  Speaker 2: I can kind of see that very true.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, They they wanted me to talk about. There's only
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: one thing I don't want to talk about, Hurricane Katrina.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't want to talk about it. Like even
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  Speaker 1: saying the name Hurricane Katrina, like right now it makes
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  Speaker 1: me want to cry. I just don't want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about it, don't want think about I want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about don't want talk about it. I don't very tough,
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: very hard. And there was this story that had gone
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  Speaker 1: on in the newsroom earlier where George Bush was being
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  Speaker 1: cool with like Ellen DeGeneres, thats some football games, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, it doesn't matter what you guys say
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  Speaker 1: about George Bush. I don't give a fuck that he paints.
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  Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck that show Obama like George Bush,
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  Speaker 1: fuck George Bush forever, Like it doesn't matter. I don't
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  Speaker 1: give a fuck. Who's the who's worse fucking forever wheels
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  Speaker 1: in the water. He didn't care that. The way it
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: goes like, hey, we're gonna bring this back and you're
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  Speaker 1: so passionate about it, and the thing it's like, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it. Oh, I told you,
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about guys, And do I want
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  Speaker 1: talk about Like No, I'm like I'm like, please, please,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like please, I don't want to. I want to
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  Speaker 1: discuss it. I'm here, I do everything. I've been the
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  Speaker 1: funny nigga for a long time. I've been the I do.
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  Speaker 1: I'm the Swiss Army Knife of niggas. I'm the funny nigga.
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  Speaker 1: I'm the basketball nigga. I'm the who look at the
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  Speaker 1: ass nigga. I'm like all that I've been. This just
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying, don't don't. I don't want to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta do it, fam we need you. Okay. So
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: I get on there and I'm talking my whole thing,
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  Speaker 1: and this guy out there hosting the show, he's cutting
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  Speaker 1: me off, and he's speaking to me in a way
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  Speaker 1: that I don't like. Anytime you speak to me in
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  Speaker 1: a way that I don't like, we have a conversation
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  Speaker 1: about it, Okay, is it? So? This is le genially
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  Speaker 1: how this happened. I challenge anyone to watch the video.
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  Speaker 1: Guys up there, he's sitting down, he's doing the show.
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  Speaker 1: I know him now. I know him like we're friends,
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  Speaker 1: and we're friends. Now he's up there and he's doing
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  Speaker 1: the show. He's done this already and I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to yell at him across the newsroom make a big scene.
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  Speaker 1: So I go up to him while he's sitting down,
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  Speaker 1: and I put my hands on his shoulders, and you
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  Speaker 1: can see me on the video. I'm whispering into his ear.
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  Speaker 1: I'm whispering into his ear.
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  Speaker 2: Does he turn around to do the whole big scene?
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  Speaker 1: Nah, he turns around and he moves his hand from
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  Speaker 1: off my shoulder and I'll move it and then and
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  Speaker 1: then I whispering to his ear, and I say, and
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  Speaker 1: you can see me leaving. I pat him on the side.
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  Speaker 1: You can see me leaving, and I do like this,
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  Speaker 1: and I walk back. The last thing I said to
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  Speaker 1: him was not something that you should say to somebody
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  Speaker 1: in the office. He stood up and I was like, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: I don't even.
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  Speaker 2: Want to hear it.
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  Speaker 1: The last thing that I said is something. And so
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  Speaker 1: when I said that, Charles said, Van go home.
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  Speaker 2: What did you say?
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  Speaker 1: No? So the like so the I mean, the last
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  Speaker 1: thing was a threat. It was no, no, no, that wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: A it was a lights out.
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  Speaker 1: The last thing was a threat. It wasn't a threat
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  Speaker 1: as in I'm gonna do something to you. It was
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  Speaker 1: a threat as in these are my limits.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, don't cross that line again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and and that's probably too far for Charles.
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  Speaker 1: Charles Charles goes Van go home. That's the last time
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  Speaker 1: I was ever in TMZ. It was funny because when
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  Speaker 1: they called me, I knew I was gonna have to
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: it was gonna have to bench be for a little while, right,
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  Speaker 1: uh that Yeah, so listen, it's funny. So I'm on
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  Speaker 1: the thing and I'm like, I'm one of the phone
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  Speaker 1: with the HR people and they go, yeah, did you
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  Speaker 1: choke him? And I went wait what And they were
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  Speaker 1: like yeah, did you put your hands around his neck?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like oh. And I was like, guys,
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  Speaker 1: this is Van. Hey, it's me. Circus Bear like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: it's Vans. This is Van. Think about what you're asking me.
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  Speaker 1: Think about if you're asking me whether or not I
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  Speaker 1: choked Mike in in front of the whole newsroom. It's me.
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  Speaker 1: I know you guys as children, I'd be around y'all
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  Speaker 1: like it's Van, Hey, it's me. Now come back the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing. I was like, oh, they about to do me,
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  Speaker 1: and they did. And it was like the funny thing
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: about it was so all of these conversations. It's like
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: stuff happens. I end up being terminated. Karen, my manager,
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: like automatically has stuff. So we're taking all kinds of meanings.
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  Speaker 1: We're doing all kinds of stuff. Nobody guys is off
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  Speaker 1: me right, we're doing the same stuff. Because literally my
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: contract was up at TMZ in about four more weeks,
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: and I had already told them I wasn't resigning, So
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: if they thought they would have had me for a
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: longer term, there's no way they would have fired me.
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  Speaker 1: But it's like whatever, this is a way to try
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  Speaker 1: to maybe save some money, get off from under it.
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  Speaker 3: This is cool.
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  Speaker 1: So my it starts to get around the office that
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not coming back. So my coworkers throw me a
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: going away party, including the guy that I supposedly chose
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: who comes to the going away party. And after that
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: that was on a Saturday, pictures go up on Instagram
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  Speaker 1: on Monday. Paid six colls me and we heard that
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: you got fired. We heard that you got fired. We
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  Speaker 1: heard it there was some kind of office altercation. We
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: heard there was all of this stuff, and I'm like
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: fuck now, I'm like god, damn, now I'm the six
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  Speaker 1: foot fourth scary nigga, are you six four? Don't play
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: so now and so and so. Now I'm like and so.
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: Now I'm like six foot, I'm like er er And
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: they put up an article and the article was like
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: super it went soft on me. Everybody loves fan and
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: all of this stuff like that. TMZ got their asses kicked.
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: Everybody was coming at them, like everybody and so then
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: the next day the office struck back. And this is
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: one of the most important moments of my career. Yo,
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: I talk a lot. I know sometimes it could be
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: hard to follow me. But if you don't listen to
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: anything else, I say, listen to this. These people don't
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: give a fuck about you. They don't tell you what
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: we do as black people. Sometimes what we do is
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: like the record label becomes a crew and a family.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the.
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  Speaker 1: Production group becomes a crew and a family. We gotta sign,
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: we got a logo, we got all of this stuff
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  Speaker 1: and boom boom boom, boom boom, and we cool. I
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  Speaker 1: know your kids, I know I know all of these
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: people around you. We didn't talked like your dad has
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  Speaker 1: passed away. I done took you outside the office. We've
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  Speaker 1: talked about it. We've gone through all of this. You
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't do this to me. Not only will they they're
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: going to Yeah, like they're going to do it. It's
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: like they're going to do you. You're gonna get done.
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  Speaker 1: You will be done like something like if you are
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  Speaker 1: if you are making the track towards being somebody important
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  Speaker 1: or influential, somebody is going to do you. You will
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: be done. So the question is for you is how
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: are you gonna respond to it? As much naive? This
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  Speaker 1: is coming from a man at that time who was
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  Speaker 1: thirty nine years old. I didn't think they would do
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  Speaker 1: me that way. And the reason why I didn't think
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: they would do me that way, it's not because it's
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: because Yo, I know these people. It's to the point
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  Speaker 1: to me to where if I if I pick up
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  Speaker 1: your baby and hold your bab I'm from ban Rouge.
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  Speaker 1: If I pick up your baby, if I don't fuck
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  Speaker 1: with you and get that little nigg away from me.
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  Speaker 1: But like if if I pick up your baby and
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  Speaker 1: hold your baby and all your wife and I've been
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: to your crib and all of that stuff, I'm thinking
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: that there's gonna be a point where where somebody's gonna
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: want to make me look in a certain way and
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: somebody's gonna go, we can't do that to that.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but does it also make you wonder like kind
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: of going back to the Jesus days, like the whole Judas,
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: Like which one like with that piece of advice or
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: that's that statement? Do you think that people should be
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: also double looking over like which one of their crew
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: is gonna be the one that kisses.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: Them on the cheek? No? No, do you know what
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: we forget about Judas? What that he got paid? The
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: money is the Judas I understand. So so hear me out.
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  Speaker 2: So the route is always gonna be in the industry itself, the.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Root, the what pulls you apart, what brings you together
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  Speaker 1: with these people is the commerce, and what pulls you
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  Speaker 1: apart is the commerce. Yeah. Sure they liked me, but
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: I was good for business. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah,
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: they liked me. They definitely liked me. But I was funny,
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: and I was smart, and I was devastatingly handsome, and
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: I was and I was all of those they like.
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  Speaker 1: They they liked me, but I was good for business
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of the things that I got away
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: with there I wouldn't have gotten away with if I
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: wasn't good for business, and at that point I was bad.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: For business, but they threw the mud back on you, right.
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  Speaker 1: So I was bad for business. And the moment that
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: I became bad for business we talked about before was
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: not a person anymore. It's like a thing. So Judas, Yeah,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: he did what he did. They paid him thirty pieces
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: of silver. The thing is going to get you. Just
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: be prepared for the thing, the thing when you're no longer,
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: when they no longer have to protect you. First of all,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: anybody who doesn't have to protect you won't. That's the
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: first thing. And secondly, if you're a threat to the money.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, your toast.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: So at that point everybody is making them look bad.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: They're like they don't want to be embarrassed. People are
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: asking if TMZ is racist. People are starting to say
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: the TMZ fire Van because vancd to Kanye West. It's
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: all of this stuff. If somebody would have got on
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  Speaker 1: the phone with me, I swear to God, if somebody
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: would have called me and be like, Van, we're taking
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: a beating. Is there something you can say? I'd have
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: done them a solid because that's out of done them
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  Speaker 1: a solid because I had no fucking problem with being
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: where I was. It was aw cool. I had everything
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: set up.
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  Speaker 2: So, oh that's what that was gonna be My next question.
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  Speaker 2: So what was your mindset at when all of this
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: was going on?
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: I started having heart problems?
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I thought you just said that. What do you
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: mean while were you having heart problems?
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Was stressed out?
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Ok?
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Sorry? Like when I say I started having heart problems,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: it's like there's something called preventricular contractions. It's like a
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: skipping of the beat. Like I was so stressed that
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: I was like to play basketball very active. I was
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: so stressed that my heart started missing timy. It was
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: boom boom boom boom boom boom.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: When you were stressed over what just the whole transition
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  Speaker 2: and where your next road was going?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole deal, think about it, right, like the
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: whole deal. But here's the deal though. I say all
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: this to say this. People look for God in like
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: the sky, but sometimes God is on the ground too,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: and he's like right where you're walking. I had to
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: go through that, you know why, because I had to
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: put people through that. I had to go through that
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: because I had written and hit publish on headlines that
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: had made people feel that way. I had got on
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: TV and talked about people in a way that made
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: them go, shit, these people don't know me. I had
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: been a part of stories that portrayed people in a
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: light that's not quite accurate to who they actually are
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: without me really knowing them. I had been a part
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: of that.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: So but you had You've been a part of it
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: without the relationship. It's different. Obviously if you have the
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: relationship and you're pushing the published button.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: That all feels the same. Because like for me seeing
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: me on page six and seeing me going through all
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: of this stuff and me going, hey, guys, you guys
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: know me. This is not the thing. This is not
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the deal seeing something out of context played up. All
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: the little micro feelings about black men are right there.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Which is a maritime before Van snapped. It's a maritime
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: before Van hurt somebody. This was a maritime before he
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: showed us who he really is. Remember, when a white
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: person does something wrong, it's somebody who did something wrong.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: When a black person does something wrong, they're showing us
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: who they really are the whole time. So it's so
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: so all of this stuff, it's like I went through that,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, cool, no more of that
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: for me. I have to feel that, like, I'm not
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: one of those persons. I always get caught when I
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: do something wrong. I always it always comes back to me.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: He don't want me to escape without feeling it. Yeah,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: so it always comes back to me. And I could
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: not leave there having done the Kanye thing and looked
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: like some kind of big deal or whatever. I could
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: not have left there without being on the other side
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: of a headline. And so that's the way it went.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Take the lesson, move on, continue to do dope shit,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: do as much as you can, but like it. And also,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: you know, I had been to grilled cheese laying already.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: If I had to go back there again, I could.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Now that you're older, do you It's I've been to
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: the broke land. But I promise you I'm terrified of
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: going back. But I meet so many people on this
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: show that'll be like, I'll fault bankruptcy. I'll go back again.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: I'm not worried about it. You're not at that phase
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: where you really genuinely don't want to go back.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: To me, I can't go back now. I could if
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I had to go back, it would happen, right, But
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I can't go back now.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Why do you see that.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: We lost dad? So we lost dad in twenty twenty one,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and it just changed, like it changed everything, like when
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: we lost them, when we lost the old man. It's
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: like I remember when you get the news. I go
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: to ban Rouge and right away people start asking me
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: stuff and it really didn't matter. I'm not used to
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: people asking me stuff like in a family way, and
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: then my decision being what they do and shout out
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: to Bill Man, like you know, Bill goes So, I
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: a guy work with at the Ringer. Bill hit Bill.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Bill goes Hey. He's like, man, He's like
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: he's honest with me right there. He's like, man, I'm
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: telling you right now, when you go down there, now
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be different, Like you're going to have to
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: be the guy. And I'm not saying that I am
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: the guy in my family.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying that, like, you're also the youngest, aren't you.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the youngest, but I'm also I mean, in
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: terms of this immediate family, I want to parse apart
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: all my family dynamics, but like they rely on me,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: so it it. So because of that now it's not
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: even now. The fucking roof gotta get changed. Like stuff
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: gotta happen. And even if my dad was around and
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: he couldn't do it, he had a way to get
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: it done. He was a useful, resourceful, responsible, old school man.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: You say that, but going back to when your mom left,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: you were saying that, like if the stove broke, you
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: guys were like, well, he.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Wasn't that way with him, but he would be that
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: way with you. So if it's him, he man. When
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I went to his crib, like after he had passed away,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: like I see y'all got the wires and all this stuff,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: and you know, it's a production house. That's how it goes.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: So I go to this nigga shit and I'm in
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: there and it's like it's weird, Like death is so
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: weird because you're gone, but everything else around you is
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: like the same. So I go into his house and
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: the outdoor channel like he's a hunting fish, So the
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: outdoor channel is still on, like it's still on, like
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: he's he's the only thing that's not alive in the
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: room is him. Like the outdoor channel is still on
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the thing. His saddle is on
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the saddle horse that you put on in the room
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: next to him, all of his hunting stuff is there.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: He has stuff laid out for the next time he's
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: going hunting. His gun is taking a part. He was
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: oiling it the night before he passed away, so like
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: he wasn't expecting to die, right, And so I'm going
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: there and I look and I see that he's running
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: power out of one of the rooms into his bathroom.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I'm like this, nigga is good for nigga ing and
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: some shit. Why don't you just do whatever you gotta
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: do to have the people come out there and have
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the power. I see if it would have been me
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: doing that, If it had been me doing that, he say, boy,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: fix that. He's just used to dealing with a little
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: bit less and then kind of making sure that you don't.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: So for him to be like gone and for people
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: to know that they can't just because sometimes he didn't
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: have it to give to you. He just had a
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: strategy for you. And that's the craziest thing. When you
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: need when you need one hundred and fifty dollars for
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: somebody and they ain't got nothing, but advice. You know, well,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's like you know what
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, that's that's sometimes he didn't have it,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: but like since then, like I could go back to
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: grilled cheese. I can get used to anything, but we
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: can't go back to grill Yeah, yeah, I get it,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Like we can't.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: It's like niggas. And that's funny because and they know
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: that because they don't even ask for the same amount
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: of money before. Like if you if you got a
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: thousand bucks in the bank account, people go, yo, man,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: let me hold, let me hold, let me hold one
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks, bro the whole hundred dollars. Man, I need that.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: But if you don't, the numbers get crazy. What you mean,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: oh bruh, the numbers get crazy. It's like, yeah, I
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: need four thousand dollars. What the fuck you need for?
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: You ain't got a four thousand dollar life?
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Like what what?
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: What? What the fuck you need four thousand dollars for? Man,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I I need four thousand dollars? All right, Cool, you
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: need four thousand what like what? Like I don't know,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: like you know, you know the whole thing, and I'm
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: not like you hear other people talking about this and
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: they are actually really rich. I'm doing okay, yeah, and they.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: They hating you for real. So when you come back
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: to you give them what your dad gives you. No, no,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: let me tell you how to get this.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: For now, I gotta help out. I like it. I
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: gotta help out as much as I can. But but see,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: this is the way I help out. I make you
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: earn it. And listening to me, Oh god, I love.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: It, Oh my god, one of those I.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Make you earn it. Sure, ye gotta do it, gotta
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: do it, gotta do it. I make you earn Hey. Now, look,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna send this to you, but we gotta talk
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: about how you live it. But we're doing it.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: That's messed up.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Man. I'm not a fucking atmarious, So we at least
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: got to have a conversation about how we could be better.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Now, I got rules of the game. If it's mom is,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: just give me the bill director.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: We all know that all of this doesn't it doesn't.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: This is not a mother grandmother thing. Mother and grandmother
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: don't they don't even ask, they don't, they don't even
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: ask like they really don't ask like they like it's
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: like you'll come to their house, come to my mother
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: in my grandmother's house, and they really doing the old
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: small TV on top of the big Curtis Mathews. I'm like, nah, man,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: we gotta, we gotta, we gotta go get this whole situation.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: So they don't even ask. Obviously, with your mom, it's
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: not that big of a deal.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Oh of mine. I'm just like, I have to pay
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: direct because it's never gonna get to whoever you owe.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: They want your mom not gonna pay the.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Bill if I give my If my mom has a
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars light bol hence her thousand dollars light bl
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: you see where we're going, She'll be like, you give
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: her the money. She'll be like, I know that they'll
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: keep the lights on. If I just give them ten, you'd.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Be like, just pay the bill.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: So I'll just be like, send me the bill direct.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I see. This is why I love talking to people,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and that's how I know you Black. That's why I
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: love talking to people because I remember back in the day,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I don't even know you could do that.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I never knew you could do that until I discovered
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: my mom can rack a bill's extremely high.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: My mom time, my momy told me to pay the
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: light bill. She was like telling me, come by there
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: and you'll drop them off seventy dollars. I'm like, drop
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: them off seventy dollars, she said, telling me drop them
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: off seventy dollars. Was like, you can drop them off
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: seventy dollars. And she was like, yeah, they want you
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: to pay something. You drop them off the seventy dollars
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: and then you come back a little bit later. I
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: remember once, it's just so many stories. Mom sprayed mace
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: at the feet of the light guy, the light build god,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: so he couldn't come cut the lights off. She made
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: some she makes the light buil god, no way swear
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: light buil God. Mased them and then told him that
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the house was covered in the blood of Jesus and
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: that if he came in there, his blessing was gonna
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: be cut because she was trying to turn the lights
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: off on her kids. Maceed them and then it was like,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I'm letting you know, this house is covered by the
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: blood of Jesus's coming here. This is crazy. She had
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: she had force, she had the Bible, she had all
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: kinds of stuff anyway, So all of that stuff now
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: is just like now you're blessed, you're walking in abundance,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: and you're trying your best to be available to the
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: people that you care about. I care about all of
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: black people. That's why I care about you. That's why
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: you have to be investigated by the BBI, and we
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: have to make sure.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I don't even understand the point of the investigation.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, the point of the investigation for you, the point
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: of So what we do with the Biracial Bureau of
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Investigation is we make sure that we we identify the
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: problematic biracials that exist amongst us.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: What do you mean the problematic? You mean the ones
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: that don't claim they're black. I knew that's what it was.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I knew I'm not one of those. I passitest me.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Acknowledging my nationality does not negate whether I'm black, whether
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not acknowledging I'm black.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I'll say right there, I'll say, right now, your prospects
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: are good.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: My prospects are hella good.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: But we're gonna have to go deep. We're gonna have.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: After you read, after you reborn a crime. We could talk,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: but we're not gonna.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I'll read Trevor's book. I'll actually add his book to
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: it is the Curriculum to be Beyond.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: One of my favorite books. Ryan, it's one of your
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: favorite books.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Ryan, Fuck with that? Ryan? You biracial?
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: You are?
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: What?
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: What?
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: What are you?
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Vietnamese? Oh?
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Soo?
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: One Vietnamese parent, one white paranent Okay, that counts.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: But I mean, yeah, I don't know.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Is that by racial?
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I was like, wait, you got blacking him?
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Hold up?
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: You do that kind of the second he said biracial ship?
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: But baby, you know you never know? But but no,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: you should. You should check out the Trevor note Book.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: I promise you. It's a great read. You'll you'll probably
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: end your BBI commission after that.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I know what you mean though, because I've met people
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: that are like you know, they won't exactly acknowledge the
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: black if they're half. But I acknowledge it, but I
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: also acknowledged the other.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: It's more of a bit than it is anything else.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna have a lot of fun with you.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Is there any way people could keep up with you?
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: It's the success Story.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Still Grinding Hire Learning Podcasts on the Ringer Podcast Network
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: with My Fantastic co host Rachel Lindsay. Fantastic co host
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Rachel Lindsay, The Midnight Boys podcast on the Ringer Podcast Network,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: The ring Verse, Uh you see me on CNN. The
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: movie company is doing well. Life is moving in a
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: positive direction. I'm not where I want to go by
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: my moay.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: I do want to touch on the Academy Award winning like,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: can we backcheck to that? That was before you were
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: that was after you're fired, So.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been able to do it if I'd
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: still been at Team Z.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, did you know you were going to work on
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: that project when you were getting fired or did it.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Just come out after? Kay?
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Was it around the George Floyd or okay, during the COVID.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: During COVID Okay, yeah, okay, idea money execution. You never
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: know what's going to happen.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: How do you feel about with everything that happened during COVID,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: how these brands are now supporting black business, Like, how
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: do you feel about it?
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: What do you mean how they support it? I don't
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: think they are. Well.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: There was a period during the whole black lives. To me,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: it feels like the world had to come to an end,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Like literally sports had to end, The whole world had
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: to stop for everyone to say, what is happening to
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: blacks is really bad? It literally took If I think
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: if sports was running at the same time, it'd be
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: like any other year. But what I did notice, like
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of like I know, a lot
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: of brands that got distribution because they were black owned,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: or if you had a black in the title of
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: anything that you were doing around that time, you were
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: getting distribution. You were getting sales from white you know,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: white ran companies.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Ah, So it's interesting there was an opportunity there
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: that was missed, and was missed for myriad reasons. America's
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: inability to reconcile its relationship with black Americans will be
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the thing that destroys America because if you cannot reconcile.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: In reconciling America's relationship historically and contemporarily with black people,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: you actually address many different American problems. You address American inequity,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: you address capitalism, you address you address so many of
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the different problems that exist for Americans across the lower
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: class spectrum, right, But you can't really do it because
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: number One, there is a way that things are supposed
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: to go in the country, and there's a fixed middle
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: to lower class in the country, and the threat of
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: those people becoming anything other than that threatens the way
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: things are supposed to go. With black people specifically, It's
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: this simple, and I know this sounds very unintellectual. America
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: just don't want niggas to have shit. Yeah, all right,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: and so and here's the example to that real quick.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go on and on like I do
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: everything that America has told black people to do to
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: get a hit in America, black people have done. Black
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: people bought land. We own more land in nineteen oh
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: five than we own now. Bought land top four white owners,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: white land owners, and all of America owned more land
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: than all of Black America combined. Right, we owned land.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: They took the land. They took the land through terrorism,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: they took the land through contract bind We started thriving
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: communities everywhere. They just said, no, we try to buy houses.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: They said no, we tried whatever we did, they just
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: colluded to take it away. It Like you when people
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: talk about Greenwood, I know you know, Tulsa is the
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: one that sticks out in people's minds. What destroyed Tulsa
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: was not the riot. It's not what destroyed Tulsa. Tulsa
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: was known as Black Wall Street after the riot. They rebuilt.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: They had enough money to do that. You know. What
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: destroyed Tulsa urban renewal. Urban renewal, which was a plan
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: to take areas of inner city America, places that were
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: deemed inner city or low low income and like run
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: fucking freeways through them. Tulsa got fucked over because they
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  Speaker 1: ran a fucking freeway through it. The peoples. They couldn't
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  Speaker 1: take the people's land any other way. So they use
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  Speaker 1: urban renewal, imminent domain, all different types of things like
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  Speaker 1: that to dispossess these people of what they had built,
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  Speaker 1: and they of their communities, right, and so all of
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  Speaker 1: that stuff is to say that racism and and the
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  Speaker 1: idea that black people are supposed to be lesser than
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  Speaker 1: is so deeply entrenched in the American psyche that if
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  Speaker 1: it's not dealt with, and if it's not, if we
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  Speaker 1: don't come to terms with it, then America can't exist
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  Speaker 1: in any real functional way. And it's only so long, right,
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  Speaker 1: we think that it can. We think that it could
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  Speaker 1: just be like this forever. It can't. Because you start
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  Speaker 1: turning the blond eyed to the middle class, then you
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  Speaker 1: rode your ability to be a stable community, right you,
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  Speaker 1: Income inequality a stable society. Income inequality goes crazy. All
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  Speaker 1: of those things happen because they are huge chunks of
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  Speaker 1: the American electorate that people just are okay with saying
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  Speaker 1: they don't matter. George Floyd gets killed in front of everybody,
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  Speaker 1: and then people go, okay, well maybe we should do
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  Speaker 1: more for black people. Did they let us tell them
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  Speaker 1: the way they should do more? Right? They donated to
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  Speaker 1: three or four places, made those places rich, and then
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  Speaker 1: heaped the entire reputation on Black America on what those
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  Speaker 1: people did with the money. So, like what I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: is right now. It's people would answer to these questions,
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  Speaker 1: but they would have to be the questions that would
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  Speaker 1: have to be asked seriously, and they never will. And
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  Speaker 1: I want you to have nothing brought you over here
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  Speaker 1: as a slave in order to make it make sense
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  Speaker 1: to them and to trick themselves into believing, they have
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  Speaker 1: to trick themselves into believing you were subhuman. And after
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  Speaker 1: three generations. They really believe it. Yes, right. I mean
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  Speaker 1: when you're first kidnapping someone and you see a mother
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  Speaker 1: being separated from a child, you might feel something inside
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  Speaker 1: you that says that's wrong. But see about like one
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  Speaker 1: hundred years after that, that's gone because you have now
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  Speaker 1: like purposefully endeavored into a psychosis that makes you, that
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  Speaker 1: makes the way this country runs. You have to approach
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  Speaker 1: that as if it's true. And that's where we are.
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  Speaker 1: And so the only thing for us to do is
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  Speaker 1: to disassociate with that and do what eighty five souths
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  Speaker 1: and so many other people are doing here, which is
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  Speaker 1: collect advice. Do it for yourself, like depend on yourself
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  Speaker 1: and have solidarity with yourself. Se grilled cheese too.
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  Speaker 2: Grilled cheese too. Look at that grilled cheese.
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  Speaker 1: You like it.
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  Speaker 2: It's good. It's good. Eat your grilled cheese. Thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much for your time. We appreciate it. And I'll
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  Speaker 2: catch up with you. And we're in La.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, catch up. We have your We have an IR
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