Latest / The Breakfast Club / INTERVIEW: Jemele Hill Talks Memoir, Colin Kaepernick, Jada Pinkett, Race Norming In The NFL +More

Transcript

INTERVIEW: Jemele Hill Talks Memoir, Colin Kaepernick, Jada Pinkett, Race Norming In The NFL +More · The Breakfast Club

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning.
• 0:05
  Speaker 2: Everybody's dj n V. Charlamagne the God. We are the
• 0:08
  Speaker 2: Breakfast Club. You got a special guest in the building.
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, Mail Hill, welcome back.
• 0:13
  Speaker 3: Hey. You know I always love to sit with y'all
• 0:15
  Speaker 3: enjoying the conversations.
• 0:16
  Speaker 4: That's right, And the paperback is out right now it is.
• 0:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my baby is growed up a little bit. It's
• 0:22
  Speaker 3: now a toddler. I guess. So a year ago the
• 0:25
  Speaker 3: hardcover of my memoir Uphill came out and now the paperback.
• 0:28
  Speaker 5: How was the response to putting out a memoir, because
• 0:31
  Speaker 5: you know, in memoirs you put out so much information,
• 0:33
  Speaker 5: You reveal things you probably never told anybody. Well, response,
• 0:36
  Speaker 5: not just from the general public, but from like your
• 0:38
  Speaker 5: family and stuff.
• 0:39
  Speaker 3: The response was generally good. It was mostly positive. There
• 0:42
  Speaker 3: was somebody in my family who took issue with it,
• 0:45
  Speaker 3: and that created some tension and attention is still there, unfortunately,
• 0:50
  Speaker 3: and so you know, I'm still processing that part.
• 0:54
  Speaker 4: They did not have a conversation before, No, I.
• 0:57
  Speaker 3: Mean it was I was. I didn't think we did
• 0:59
  Speaker 3: have a conversation before, but I just didn't think. I
• 1:02
  Speaker 3: didn't think how they reacted to it would be the
• 1:04
  Speaker 3: way they reacted, and they took it to Facebook as
• 1:06
  Speaker 3: opposed to taking it to me. Yeah, and then they
• 1:10
  Speaker 3: aired our stuff that was not even in the book,
• 1:13
  Speaker 3: and it was like why.
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: You why and probably stuff that wasn't true.
• 1:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, some of it was definitely I looked at very skeptically,
• 1:21
  Speaker 3: and it wasn't about me. It was it was about
• 1:23
  Speaker 3: my mom, to be candid, and so I was not.
• 1:25
  Speaker 3: I was not happy that that that was the course
• 1:28
  Speaker 3: of action that they chose, and so it caused a
• 1:31
  Speaker 3: fracture in our relationship.
• 1:34
  Speaker 5: Of my first book was the same thing and family. Oh,
• 1:37
  Speaker 5: I can't write a book, but I can go to Facebook.
• 1:38
  Speaker 3: Right exactly, you know. And especially it's not like this
• 1:42
  Speaker 3: person couldn't have called me like they could have and
• 1:44
  Speaker 3: we could have had a conversation about it. And I
• 1:45
  Speaker 3: guess the surprising part they didn't take issue with what
• 1:48
  Speaker 3: was written as in terms of like it not being true.
• 1:50
  Speaker 3: The issue was when we finally did have that discussion,
• 1:53
  Speaker 3: was that they weren't in it.
• 1:54
  Speaker 4: Enough so that really so they wanted to decide out there.
• 2:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, they just felt like they should have been
• 2:03
  Speaker 3: you know, that their role in my life should have
• 2:05
  Speaker 3: been more highlighted or more and I thought I did
• 2:07
  Speaker 3: a pretty good job of it as it was, but
• 2:09
  Speaker 3: apparently it was not on part with this person. And
• 2:12
  Speaker 3: so yeah, with they roll in your life as big
• 2:14
  Speaker 3: as they actually thought it was, well, I mean, I
• 2:16
  Speaker 3: guess if you want me to say what it is,
• 2:17
  Speaker 3: because I see you're getting to But it was my
• 2:20
  Speaker 3: father who had an issue. Oh yeah, that was my
• 2:22
  Speaker 3: father had an issue with some of the things that
• 2:24
  Speaker 3: were in the book, not necessarily because they were untrue,
• 2:26
  Speaker 3: but he felt like he should have been more prominently
• 2:29
  Speaker 3: featured in the book. That was what I got from it.
• 2:32
  Speaker 3: And so I didn't you know that didn't It wasn't.
• 2:35
  Speaker 3: It was a very difficult conversation to have, and so
• 2:39
  Speaker 3: those conversations have been somewhat ongoing, and I told him
• 2:43
  Speaker 3: I needed to kind of press pause because I need
• 2:45
  Speaker 3: to process what you said to me, because I didn't.
• 2:48
  Speaker 3: I took a lot of issue with it.
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: So no rerights for the paperback, no rewrights.
• 2:51
  Speaker 3: For the paperback. So no, I was like, I took
• 2:55
  Speaker 3: issue with it, but it's all good because everybody's not
• 2:58
  Speaker 3: gonna love you, know what you're right? Like and It
• 3:00
  Speaker 3: is funny we're having this conversation because obviously in the
• 3:03
  Speaker 3: news is Jada Pinkett Smith her Oh my God, her
• 3:06
  Speaker 3: memoirs coming out. And Jada and I when I did
• 3:08
  Speaker 3: I did Red Table Talk this time last year, and
• 3:10
  Speaker 3: I was telling her and share my experience. She was
• 3:13
  Speaker 3: writing it then, and I was like, you know, I
• 3:16
  Speaker 3: don't know what the reaction is going to be. It
• 3:17
  Speaker 3: just kind of is what it is. And so to
• 3:19
  Speaker 3: see a year later how people are responding to some
• 3:22
  Speaker 3: of the things that she has decided to share. It's
• 3:25
  Speaker 3: like she's, you know, this is her story. She's allowed
• 3:27
  Speaker 3: to tell what that is.
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: I agree with that.
• 3:29
  Speaker 5: But I was saying this this morning on the radio,
• 3:32
  Speaker 5: what is the point of constantly sharing this with us?
• 3:35
  Speaker 5: Because it always looks like you're beating up on Will?
• 3:39
  Speaker 3: Why does Why does everybody think Will is the victim?
• 3:43
  Speaker 3: That's what I want to know.
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: Because Will isn't saying anything well just.
• 3:45
  Speaker 3: Because he's saying like I think, because it was funny
• 3:48
  Speaker 3: reading the reaction, because I don't know what's happening to
• 3:51
  Speaker 3: beside their marriage, right, none of us do. None of
• 3:54
  Speaker 3: us know, Okay, but at least from because when I
• 3:58
  Speaker 3: did Red Table Talk last year. Will pop he popped
• 4:00
  Speaker 3: up and talked to him. He was great, and it's
• 4:04
  Speaker 3: clear that they still have Just because they're separated doesn't
• 4:07
  Speaker 3: mean there's not affection there. That doesn't mean that there's
• 4:09
  Speaker 3: not respect there, there's not love there. Like I think
• 4:13
  Speaker 3: that was kind of obvious in the interview clips that
• 4:15
  Speaker 3: I've seen so far, is that this is the path
• 4:18
  Speaker 3: that they have chosen. But I think it's a path
• 4:20
  Speaker 3: they mutually chose. And so I guess the narrative that
• 4:23
  Speaker 3: I reject, even though again I don't know the inside
• 4:25
  Speaker 3: of their marriage, is this idea that Will is a
• 4:28
  Speaker 3: hostage in this, And I'm like, I don't think he's
• 4:30
  Speaker 3: a hostage. I think he's okay with where they are,
• 4:33
  Speaker 3: right And maybe to your point, Char's like, maybe we
• 4:36
  Speaker 3: shouldn't know this publicly, but if he's but think about
• 4:40
  Speaker 3: the reason we do know it publicly. It's like the
• 4:43
  Speaker 3: whole entangled entanglement thing he had because somebody else was talking,
• 4:48
  Speaker 3: August told okay, and I have this chronology right, They
• 4:53
  Speaker 3: responded to something else that was told. So it's not
• 4:55
  Speaker 3: like she came out of nowhere. It was like, hey,
• 4:58
  Speaker 3: by the way, guys, there was something that happened between
• 5:00
  Speaker 3: me and August, else saying that that man said what
• 5:02
  Speaker 3: it was.
• 5:03
  Speaker 1: I love August, August. Yeah, August.
• 5:06
  Speaker 5: What August did with Angelie with nowhere near as big
• 5:10
  Speaker 5: as the red.
• 5:11
  Speaker 3: Table talk, No it's not. She was responding, but she
• 5:13
  Speaker 3: was responding.
• 5:14
  Speaker 4: But listen, but this is the thing too, like and
• 5:15
  Speaker 4: this is what we said yesterday.
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: You know, sometimes we look at celebrities relationships and everybody
• 5:20
  Speaker 2: thinks everybody's relationship is perfect, right, so I think it's
• 5:23
  Speaker 2: great sometimes when you say, hey, my relationship ain't perfect, Like,
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: just because you see this doesn't mean we don't have
• 5:28
  Speaker 2: the same problems that you do, the same disagreements, the
• 5:31
  Speaker 2: same argument. So when you see a little bit of that,
• 5:33
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's somebody in a life just like them
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: to be like, Damn, me and my husband is separated,
• 5:38
  Speaker 2: or me and my wife's been separated for this amount
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: of time and we're dealing with it, and we thought
• 5:41
  Speaker 2: it was odd. We never wanted to share, we never
• 5:43
  Speaker 2: wanted to tell somebody. But if it looks quote unquote normal,
• 5:46
  Speaker 2: whatever normal is, it gives me the ability to talk.
• 5:48
  Speaker 3: Because you and your wife have been very candid about
• 5:50
  Speaker 3: some of the ups and downs you faced in your relationship,
• 5:53
  Speaker 3: because people, you know, people need to know sometimes that
• 5:56
  Speaker 3: like what you see on Instagram is not this what
• 5:59
  Speaker 3: this is is And so I don't think it was
• 6:02
  Speaker 3: at a point where maybe this is some information she
• 6:05
  Speaker 3: didn't feel like should stay buried, because look, she's part
• 6:10
  Speaker 3: of her brand now. Is that is divulging these uncomfortable
• 6:13
  Speaker 3: truths and talking about them. It is her story. She
• 6:16
  Speaker 3: has the right to say it. So I just I
• 6:19
  Speaker 3: guess I'm just really surprised that people sort of characterize
• 6:22
  Speaker 3: this that that Will is somehow in this marriage against
• 6:25
  Speaker 3: his will, and Jada's the villain and she's the one
• 6:27
  Speaker 3: that is making him do all this stuff. And I
• 6:30
  Speaker 3: was like, that man is grown.
• 6:31
  Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, I don't disagree with that, just that when
• 6:33
  Speaker 5: you hear like I never wanted to marry Will. I
• 6:36
  Speaker 5: cried at the wedding. Now it's we've been separating. Sound crazy, Jada?
• 6:41
  Speaker 5: Why are you why you got the man.
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: Sitting at the red table talking talking about the en table.
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: You can clear he don't.
• 6:47
  Speaker 4: Want to be like why is this at that time?
• 6:50
  Speaker 5: And I love a Pinkett smith winf you nose Carter.
• 6:53
  Speaker 5: I'm just sitting back, like, why is this happening? Like
• 6:55
  Speaker 5: that's all I want to know.
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 6:57
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I will say crazy with every I
• 7:01
  Speaker 3: know that people look at it. It's like her honesty
• 7:04
  Speaker 3: is maybe hurting him and making this worse than it is.
• 7:06
  Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, she's being so honest to the point
• 7:08
  Speaker 3: where you wonder, like, all right, did you have to
• 7:10
  Speaker 3: pour it on that thing? But I think it just
• 7:13
  Speaker 3: feels like that this is sort of the ebb and
• 7:16
  Speaker 3: flow of their relationship and we're kind of witnessing it
• 7:19
  Speaker 3: and maybe it's not what we picture because they have
• 7:22
  Speaker 3: been held in such high esteem. They have been relationship
• 7:24
  Speaker 3: goals for so many people for so long. But I'm like,
• 7:27
  Speaker 3: y'all don't know what's happening behind closed door. Y'all do
• 7:29
  Speaker 3: not know these people, all right? And I just I
• 7:32
  Speaker 3: don't think Will is being victimized. And I understand why
• 7:36
  Speaker 3: some people take issue with her level of honesty, saying
• 7:39
  Speaker 3: like does all this need to be said? But I
• 7:41
  Speaker 3: don't think Will is like some kind of victimic.
• 7:44
  Speaker 2: I'm sure Will knew it was coming out before. I'm
• 7:46
  Speaker 2: sure they had to have a conversation. I'm sure the
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: first thing he seen it was on red Table Talk
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: and she was like, I cried before I married. I'm
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: sure they had these conversations because they had to work
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: on their relationship, right.
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I mean, I don't know. That's
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: my point. I don't know.
• 7:58
  Speaker 4: I can't even say, will bleak if you need to come.
• 8:00
  Speaker 3: Out like it's okay.
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think of that.
• 8:05
  Speaker 5: Just like I said, I just don't think the general
• 8:07
  Speaker 5: public needs to know everything now.
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: I think that's what I do miss about celebrity.
• 8:10
  Speaker 3: I want people to be go back to being mysterious. Yeah,
• 8:13
  Speaker 3: I know, That's why I love like she. We don't
• 8:16
  Speaker 3: know if this woman is real or not. She could
• 8:19
  Speaker 3: be a hologram.
• 8:21
  Speaker 1: I have no idea.
• 8:22
  Speaker 3: But she just pop up about fifteen years, might have
• 8:25
  Speaker 3: an album, might not? She do the same two stage
• 8:28
  Speaker 3: And I love this woman like I don't even know
• 8:30
  Speaker 3: what she sounds like anymore.
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: And by the way, we don't even care. No, she
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: never gave nobody in.
• 8:34
  Speaker 3: Her business none at all. She live in her best
• 8:37
  Speaker 3: life somewhere. Shout out to shade.
• 8:39
  Speaker 1: Now, what do you think? What do you think? A
• 8:40
  Speaker 1: second Jamel Hill book would be about well, there.
• 8:43
  Speaker 3: Will be another Jamail Hill book, and it is much
• 8:46
  Speaker 3: like this memoir of something I didn't expect to write.
• 8:48
  Speaker 3: But the second book will be a children's book. Oh yeah,
• 8:51
  Speaker 3: So I'm writing a children's book, and it will cover
• 8:56
  Speaker 3: some parts of Uphill, like just kind of you know,
• 8:59
  Speaker 3: how I was able to overcome some adversity, and you know,
• 9:03
  Speaker 3: some of the the more positive career stuff like, some
• 9:06
  Speaker 3: of that will be part of it. But generally speaking,
• 9:08
  Speaker 3: it will be sort of like my love letter to
• 9:11
  Speaker 3: a lot of the women whose stories haven't been told,
• 9:13
  Speaker 3: a lot of the women who I've admired, and so
• 9:16
  Speaker 3: it'll I'm really looking forward to. I've never written for
• 9:20
  Speaker 3: a children's audience before, so this will be quite a challenge.
• 9:23
  Speaker 3: It'll be the opposite almost from a memoir because you're
• 9:26
  Speaker 3: pouring everything into this book, and you know, it's like
• 9:30
  Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty three hundred pages, and a children's book,
• 9:33
  Speaker 3: you have to be quite concise, and you have to
• 9:35
  Speaker 3: make sure that they understand the general themes that you're
• 9:37
  Speaker 3: trying to put about. Yet, yeah, I mean, it'll be
• 9:40
  Speaker 3: a combination of my story and the stories of women
• 9:42
  Speaker 3: whose stories need to be told. And you know women
• 9:45
  Speaker 3: I've admired, so yeah, some of them famous, some of
• 9:48
  Speaker 3: them not as famous as others. I mean, I'm trying
• 9:50
  Speaker 3: to like really unearthed and tell the stories of some
• 9:52
  Speaker 3: women who probably didn't get the flowers that they deserved.
• 9:55
  Speaker 4: Gotcha.
• 9:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we just had an off set up here and
• 9:58
  Speaker 5: you had some words about his and if you would
• 10:00
  Speaker 5: hype talk off the podcaster and you said, you feel
• 10:06
  Speaker 5: like this is a racing real hip hop journalism.
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I mean, listen, I admit I'm spoiled.
• 10:12
  Speaker 3: It's like when when hip hop was really coming into
• 10:14
  Speaker 3: his own and growing, you know, that's when you had Vibe,
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: You had Kevin Powell and Dream Hampton and Danielle Smith,
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: and there was like a real hip hop journalism sort
• 10:22
  Speaker 3: of movement there that covered the culture, that covered theists.
• 10:25
  Speaker 3: Artists tried to tell the full three sixty dimensions of
• 10:28
  Speaker 3: their stories. And as you know, you know, mainstream media
• 10:31
  Speaker 3: wasn't messing with hip hop like that. They weren't telling
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: these stories. And so now it's just interesting to me
• 10:37
  Speaker 3: the platforms they wind up on, Like look at Sexy Red,
• 10:39
  Speaker 3: Like why was she on that podcast? But what you know,
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: like that. Does that seem like the type of podcast
• 10:45
  Speaker 3: that you would expect Sexy Red to be on. Probably not.
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 10:48
  Speaker 5: Beca interesting mark on the one day one time and
• 10:52
  Speaker 5: he was talking. He was talking about how sexy I was.
• 10:54
  Speaker 5: That's what Charlamage Care's about.
• 10:58
  Speaker 4: That's all.
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: It was like a whole five not bleushing, but I.
• 11:05
  Speaker 5: Think you were a beautiful man. He was like, I'm
• 11:07
  Speaker 5: like living, I'm blushing. That compliment is a compliment I was.
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: I was like, wow, not Bleshing's so silly to take
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: him on the date lady features, I promise you that's.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: What he would say.
• 11:23
  Speaker 4: He remembers every.
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: Live I do.
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: I do, but I don't. I don't know what the
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: old angle is what.
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: I'm I mean, he's had an eclectic group of guests,
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: so I guess maybe from that standpoint, you could say
• 11:33
  Speaker 3: that she fits. But it's just I when I watched
• 11:37
  Speaker 3: that interaction and I get it. I know what her
• 11:39
  Speaker 3: stick is a lot of it. As many people say,
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: like she clearly borrowed some of this from funny Marco,
• 11:44
  Speaker 3: who actually think does it pretty well? Yeah, like he
• 11:48
  Speaker 3: he has he's got a good thing going and her
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: I guess looking at her rise, it was kind of
• 11:54
  Speaker 3: curious to me, like her podcast has not been existed
• 11:56
  Speaker 3: to that for that long. I think the way the
• 11:58
  Speaker 3: story was told, he was like, Drake saw her on TikTok.
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, on TikTok, but she was with Funny Marco.
• 12:03
  Speaker 3: I think that's the interview that he saw. That's at
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: least that's sort of what's been reported and out there.
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: And then he just up and decided, you know, hey,
• 12:10
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna just go on this random podcast, which he
• 12:12
  Speaker 3: has every right to do. But when I look about
• 12:14
  Speaker 3: who are the caretakers of hip hop, the caretakers of
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: how this culture is covered, it's us, you know, for
• 12:20
  Speaker 3: the most part. That's not to say the OFFSET can't
• 12:23
  Speaker 3: do interviews with people outside the culture, but I notice
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: how those interviews are received, and for that matter, how
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: they're treated on those interviews, and it makes me concerned overall.
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: And yeah, you know, honestly, I know a lot, a
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: ton of black journalists who could go, who could use
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: that kind of boost. And to me, especially given we
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: see the danger of when our stories aren't told and
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: they're trying to erase our stories in real time, it
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: just I would like to see artists like him, artists
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: like Drake, other black artists in general, be more intentional
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: about the type of media that they try to do, right, Like,
• 12:58
  Speaker 3: that's why Breakfast Club has the the status and the
• 13:01
  Speaker 3: stature that it does, because this is a place that
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: has been established for the culture. And it would be
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: nice if some of these artists understood that there's something
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: larger at play than just going viral.
• 13:11
  Speaker 4: Now I agree.
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: I agree with you because I feel like, you know,
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: if you think about an artist like Drake or I was,
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: I would never come or Yati or any of these.
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I.
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: Mean have a choice, right, Like why would I go
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: in here and deal with that on a round?
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe not you, but I agree, But you give somebody
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: an opportunity that is not from the culture, that probably
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: does not care about the culture. And there's a lot
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: of black journalists that are coming from all these different
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: spaces that would die for interview like that that you
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: could really make their career.
• 13:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 13:43
  Speaker 5: So you as to see Drake with Funny Marko. If
• 13:45
  Speaker 5: he was going to do an interview like that, you
• 13:46
  Speaker 5: had to see him do it with Funny Well, and.
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: Especially because it was kind of funny Marko's thing, right,
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: and so that would have made you know, kind of
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: more sense. And even if you look at you know,
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: I know he's a friend of the show Roland Martin,
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: Like Roland Martin has one of the few black owned
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: media platforms there are, like they're they're practically non existent.
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: So that to me should be a platform that black
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: celebrities and entertainers and musicians intentionally try to go on
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: understanding what the landscape looks like. I mean, did they
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: look at Rolling in that way? I know Roland has
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: had a lot of entertainers like on his show before,
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: and I know I get it from a political ram
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: just using him as an example, but like when you
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: look at how black media voices, you know, the dearth
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: of them that are out there. Thankfully there's this you know,
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: you of course you have like you know, other shows
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: where Angie Angela Yee like there there there are other platforms,
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: but I feel like that they should be very intentional
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: about the places that they go because what what happens
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: is the situations that you you see with Sexy Red,
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: That's what happens.
• 14:46
  Speaker 5: Like Brown Sugar, because you know, it's like we know,
• 14:49
  Speaker 5: we know what hip hop is what we want it
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: to be. But when it gets so big, like we're
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: going to have to share our artists with other people.
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: So yes, I think they can do both.
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they can do both. I guess sometimes
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: what does bother me is that knowing some of the
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: teams behind some of them, and like you said, like
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: if you're Drake, why would you come on Breakfast Club?
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: Because you know, he knows that you've had critical questions
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: that you've asked about him and critical conversations, and their
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: team they don't ever want them to face any challenges
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: in terms of interviewing, and I think that is why
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of celebrities now think their interviews should be
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: softball interviews, and they think that the people that are
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: sitting across from them should try to promote them or
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: be part of their brand. You know, like Deon Sanders
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: after he won the first game and he was like,
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: do you buy in? Well, it's not the media's job
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: to buy in. It's the job to cover what we
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: see and to like ask critical questions of like what's
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: happening here, And a lot of publicity teams they do
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: not want their artists in the possible position to where
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: they have to actually answer a real question. It doesn't
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: have to be combative, but there are things that they
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: should be made to answer. That's part of their responsibility
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: to the culture.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Recently, Colin Kaepernick wrote the letters to Jets you in
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: support of that talk about it.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: Yep. So, as you guys know, there's like so many
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: false narratives out there about him. One. You know, people
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: whenever his name comes up, they start running away with
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: these things that they've supposedly heard or supposedly have been
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: reported that haven't been He's never been not offered any money.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: He's never been offered a contract by another team since
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: he left the forty nine ers. So this idea that
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Colinwood is asking for all kinds of money, or that
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: he said he only wants to be a starter, that
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: he never wants to be a backup, like, none of
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: that was ever true. And I think the one benefit
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: to people seeing that letter is knowing how earnest and
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: committed that he is. He just asked to run a
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: practice squad, he said in the letter. I know you're
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: trying to prepare Zach Wilson to be the starter this season.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: I'm fine with that I'm here to support that. I'll
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: just run a practice squad and anybody, and for those
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: of you who don't know about the practice squad, every
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: NFL team has won, and these are fringe NFL players,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Like he could run a practice squad and admit it.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: I mean it's frankly, given his skill level and where
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: he was in a game, it's something that would probably
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: be beneath him in terms of skill set. But he
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: is willing to do that just to show how much
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: he wants to still keep his NFL dream alive. So
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: I was glad that the letter came out so people
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: could see what his true intentions are, and frankly always happened.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: I didn't like it for exactly what you just said.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Why is that it's beneath him, like.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: He's Colin Kaepernick, Like you have grown to be this
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: this figure that people look to with reverence.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: You know, we love what you stood for or neiled for,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: And it's just like, I don't want to see you
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: writing a letter begging these people for a job on
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: the practice.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing, though, Charlemagne, is that what he
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: doesn't want to do is leave them with an excuse like,
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: they can't say, oh, he was unwilling to be on
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: a practice squad, and he was unwilling to do you know,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: something that would be considered like very entry level work.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: They can't say that because that those are narratives that
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: the NFL has, you know, secretly tried to float out
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: there to try to undermine his credibility. It's like, oh, well,
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: if he really loved playing professional football, then he would
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: lower himself and take this entry level job. And he's like, yeah, yeah,
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: I would, so not what's your excuse? You said I
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: couldn't throw. You said I was washed up? Okay, the
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Raiders said I had a great workout. What's your excuse?
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: So this shifts it back to them, So what is
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: your excuse?
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody believes that, though, I think we
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: know why Colin Kaper niggas not an I think they're well.
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: I say that he kneeled for police brutal I mean
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: against police brutality.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: And he got black ball. Yeah, like nobody ever thought
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: that always because teams didn't.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: Want to go.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: But you'd be surprised. There's still a lot of people
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: and granted, I'll limit these are probably people who were
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: never down with his protest to begin with, Who really
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: want to believe that the only reason he's not in
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: the league is just simply because he's not good enough?
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Even though we've seen these backups, right, Native Peterman Steel
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: got a job, right, we see what's happening, right, And
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: they still are clinging to this idea that sports is
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: a meritocracy and if he were really that good, then
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: he would be out there. But they changed, They always
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: changed the art argument. Sort of mid conversation, it goes from, yes,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: it's a football decision, Well, no team wants to deal
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: with that. Well, either it's a football decision or it's
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: not right. Is it gonna make your team better or not?
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: That's really all it boils down to. So I was
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: happy he wrote the letters so people could really see,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of where his true intentions are.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: I feel like you you you never really said anything
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: disparaging about it, Yes.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Really, I mean not really. I mean I'm not saying.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Them a plantation.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: No, You've never accused of anybody over there being racist
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: a little bit.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: But I know what you're saying.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: That said you, I know Jamel Hill ain't going back
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: to ESPN.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: But the thing is there's other places I could go,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: but you wouldn't go back to Yes.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: Men, Well, I mean changes if ownership changes.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: And.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Things change the TV all the time. So I mean technically,
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: I mean ESPN is paying me right now because I'm
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: executive producing Colin Kaepernick's documentary which is airing on esp
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: IN and directed by Spike Lee. So technically, yeah, I
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: mean I I there's a you know, there's a check
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: that comes via them, so to speak. You know, So,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: but I know what you're saying. The thing is the
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: NFL is one to one, right, It's like, if things
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: didn't work out of ESPN, I go to FS one
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: or I can go to CNN or other places, like
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: if it doesn't work out in the NFL, and that's
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: the highest professional level, that's it. So and that's what
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: he that's where he already was. It's not like he
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: was aspiring and hadn't made it. No, he went to
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: a Super Bowl, so he's already been to that pinnacle.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: So in that regard, because I know people are like,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: why would he still try to be a part of
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: the same league that he sued and yeah, and called
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: racists and and and we know how the NFL works,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: but a lot of us, especially when we choose to
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: pursue a passion that we love, are in situations and
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: working for corporations that make questionable decisions and questionable hires.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: We all are caught up in this game. I mean,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but he feels like,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: and I understand this wholeheartedly, He's owed this, he worked
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: for this. This is not something they gave him. And
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: that is why he is insistent, like, oh no, y'all
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: gonna give me the opportunity that I fully earned. And
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: we've seen other black athletes do it before, like the
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: black athletes that have been ostracized. You know, even when
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Mack mood abdul Rolf was ostracized, he wanted to be
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: part of the NBA right. And so because they feel
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: like I did all this blood and sweat to get here,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: you think I'm not gonna take this opportunity. I earned this.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: My blood is on this.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: What do you think sometimes when God puts you in
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: a different position, like when God exalts you in your position,
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: because that's what I feel like happened with Kap. Don't
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: you feel like sometimes you have to let go of
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: things to really embrace the blessing of what is.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: I think he's been able to do both. He'll never
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: let it go. Somebody asked you, you'll never let it go.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: I don't blame him, like I don't like I would
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: probably be on that too. I don't know if I
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: would be able to stand as strong as he has
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: stood with it, but like I would be on that too, like,
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: oh no, you just just on some pride and pet
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I would never find my retirement papers if I were him.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: But I do understand because, like I tell Charlaman, you
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: know a kid that plays football. I got two boys
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: that played football like they did it since age four,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: five five days a week in the rain, sleet, snow,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: four hours a day, then a game on Sunday. You
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: give so much of your life, you miss half your
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: summer with it.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: So that's all you know, right, So I do understand.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I can never get that feeling because it was like
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like radio or me talking like it's
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: something that I would want to do all the time,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: and like you said, that's the only place to do it,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Like you can't do XFL, you can't do practice team.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: But I also feel like because it's not the same
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: it's not the same level of competition. It's not the
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: same level of competition. But I but my question is
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: if you knew that's what you wanted, right, and you
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: knew that when you stood stood up for against violence
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: against against us, right at that point when you were
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: about to lose it, why didn't you say.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: You know what, the game is more important than this.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Oh but then.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: Because he could have because he couldn't could have.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: And he didn't.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Because but you can't be mad at everybody's.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Well we know you can, though, because is that really
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: what should cost you your job? It shouldn't, right, because
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: on like the NFL is wrong. It's like standing up
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: for what is a humanitarian issue, correct, right should not
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: be the thing that cost you your entire career. So
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: it is about principal and like had he but had
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: he chosen the game, I don't know. I don't think
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: he would could live with himself for doing that to say, like, oh,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I stopped kneeling because the NFL told me they didn't
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: like it. You can't really live with that. I mean,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: I know there has been professional stands that you both
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: have probably taken, many of which we don't even know
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: about right. And when you take these stands, you decide
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: right there, like, hey, if this goes in a in
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: a in a negative direction, I'm okay with it.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: I feel that I knew it was going back and
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: going back.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: No, he wants to go back. But he wants to
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: go back because he's old that because as you said,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: like you brought up your boys, he's done the same thing.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Then to go through college, then to every step that
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: he's been, he's never he's made He's made this point
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: before every step that he's been, he's never been the
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: number one guy. He's always had the fight to be
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: the number one guy. So he's used to this fight.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: So no, he's like, I worked hard to be here.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: I deserve this opportunity and I'm not gonna let you.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna let you make it seem as if
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: I'm the one that has created this that I'm not ready.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: And I think the NFL needs to be reminded that
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: this is going to be a very black mark on
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: their history.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Well we know that though.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: Once again, we know that he got black ball, and
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: we understand the sacrifice that he made. That's why people
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: hold him in the high regard. I just don't want
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: his step back to become his identity.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think it's like that. I don't think
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: it's like that. But I do think that he feels
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: a responsibility. That's why he's in you know, I've told
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: people this before, you know, haven't been able to spend
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: you know, a lot of time with him. Is like,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: physically he looks better than he did when he was
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: last playing quarterback for the forty nine ers. I mean,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: he's been injury free, I assume paying free for years now,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: taking any hits. Still is on a football schedule, you know,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: waking up working out at five am every day, still
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: going through the same training regiment that he did when
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: he was playing, because he again, he doesn't want to
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: give them the excuse. We all heard it as kids.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: You have to work twice as hard, and one of
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: the things a lot of our parents drilled into us
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: is that when the opportunity comes, it's our responsibility to
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: be ready. And he feels like he would be doing
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: a disservice to everything that he stood for if that
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: call ever came and he's like, oh, I'm out of shape.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: I can't like they're not gonna catch him slippings. So
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: that's why I don't ever expect this man to retire
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: from the league.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, nobody would have an issue if he didn't say
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: they were racist a plantation, and if people around him,
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: because you know, he doesn't speak for himself, but if
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: people around him hadn't bashed other.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Folks who wanting to be in business with the NFL.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: So like Rock Nation, Malcolm Jenkins, they call all of
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: these people sellouts for wanting to do the same league
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: that you're trying to get back into.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Because I do think it does matter you're dynamic with
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: the league. And I think his issue and I I
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: do again, I understand this. His issue was that we're
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: much better and have more power standing in solidarity as
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: opposed to I mean, we already know, like the NFL
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl halftime show was on life support, like nobody
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: was messing with this at all, and we gave and
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: it goes beyond Colin and we willingly gave them access
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: to our culture. And they definitely did not deserve it,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: right they don't, we know, based off their history, the
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: history of this country. They don't deserve a lot of
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: things that black people do. We know this. This is
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: our existence. This is part of it is that that's
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: part of the struggle, and the tension point is that
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: we're constantly fighting to be validated and in these systems
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: that were never meant for us. That is the black
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: existence in America for the most part, right, And so
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: I think this struggle is no different because it's more
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: meaningful for him if he ever is able to get
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: back on the field. What that will mean, meaning that like,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: you can't kill somebody's career for this. Yes, you may
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: not have liked the criticism towards this country. You may
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: have liked the criticism toward this league. By the way,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: criticism that's not wrong. I mean the NFL was race
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: normy up until a few years ago, okay, where they
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: actively had policy that stated that black brains and black
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: bodies were not worth as much as white bodies. That
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: was literally policy. Okay, So what he said about the
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: league is true. So race norming, this is one of
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: the things that they use when it came to settling
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: some of the had trauma lawsuits. They basically what was
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: part of this, what was part of the NFL practice
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: is that they pretty much said that black players and
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: everybody can look it up. You can go to Google.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Just look up NFL and race Norman. This is all
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: there is one of the more undercover stories about them
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: that they pretty much said they came up with a
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: calculation where the head trauma that black athletes suffered in
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: the league because they said there were certain cognitive abilities
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: that were not there inherently. Race norming, like race storming,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: has been used in a lot of different medical fields,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: frankly to justify medical racism on us, and the NFL
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: was using the same practice. So if y'all look it up,
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: you will see and they stopped doing it, I believe
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: in either twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen. It's why some
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: of the black players didn't receive as much money from
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: the concussion lawsuit as some of the white players did,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: because they had race normy as part of the formula
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: to figure out who deserve what that is the NFL. So, again,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: like I said, he was telling the truth. And unfortunately
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: a lot of the systems that we are a part
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: of have practiced in something something distasteful, dishonorable, something that
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: excluded us. And part of our fight is that because
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: we built this country and because We're gonna make America
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: live up to that brochure. They all told us a no,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: oh god, no, I'm not gonna say that. You know,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say that, Nah, But I mean black
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: people frankly. I mean this is something that cole Hanna
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Jones has talked about a lot. It's like we are
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: the ones holding this damn democracy together because we are
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: believing in the president, because we actually believe in it,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: and we're gonna make you do it. And so I
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: think with Colin is a similar fight. Oh no, no,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: you said this, I'm gonna make you believe it. I'm
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: gonna make you actually do what you said you were
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: gonna do.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I would I would love to see And I understand
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Colin happening. I understand, like I said, I understand it's
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: in his blood right, that's what he knows. But I
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: also would love to see him. When you talk about legacy,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I would love to see him do something like go
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: to HBC or your coach because.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: The amount bring there, the amount.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Of kids that he can actually teach, I think it
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: would be more impactful.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: Man if he made the league. If he made the league,
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: okay cool, But if he.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Takes a school like a hour to Hampton, a Morgan stage, Alam, whatever,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: and he coached that and got them to that level.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: I think it would show everybody like that would be
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: even a bigger f you.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's interesting, And next time I see him, I'm
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: be like, hey, you ever thought about coaching?
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Does he talk in his documentary?
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, swears he don't talk.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: You don't really talk for himself. Yeah, and I don't
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: like that either.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I seen, I've already seen some your comments and
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: I've got you know, I got the video back and
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: everything I have to give the notes. No, I think
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: what people will hear from in this doc I mean
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: he he is unloading, and I don't mean it like
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: in an angry way, but he is. This was as
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: you know, like he hasn't spoken very much, and so
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: when people accuse him of like, oh, he just wanted
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: the attention in this, like really, I mean, if he
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: wanted this attention, this is a bad way of showing
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: it because he rarely does interviews and he's just kind
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: of tried to let his work speak for himself. But yes,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: in this documentary, you get a lot of Colin telling
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: his own story, and so I think a lot of
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: the people who were detractors, they will be embarrassed after
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: they watch some of them.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: The sad thing about Colin is is I feel like
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: sometimes when he speaks, people be like he's mad, but
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: he's just giving his side whatever he.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Says anything, they'd be like, he's mad, he's upset, he's this. Yeah,
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: I just feel like.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: And he's not mad in this.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Exactly the fair? Is it a fair doctor? Yeah?
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: I mean I think so. I mean I think everybody
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: has been able to create their own narrative about Colin.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Is only fair that he finally gets a chance to
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: share what is his perspective, share his opinions, like everybody
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: else is at the mic. It's time that he will.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: And you know, I think we definitely did a fair job.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: You know, as you know how much fairness and journalism
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: means to me. I was certainly that was a big
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: part of my responsibility is making sure that this was fair.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: This is not just something where we're trying to make
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Colin look good or anything like that. Like Colin's story
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: is his story, and we're telling that truthfully and accurately
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: and from his perspective.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: What did that drop.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: It will be in twenty twenty four. Okay, that's that's
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: That's as succinct as a timeline as I can give you.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: But I'm really impressed with where things are. I love,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: you know, just the energy and just the passion. You know, Spike,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: He's been incredible to work with, just smart, knowledgeable, all
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: those things like legendary filmmaker you all know. But I've
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: learned a lot doing this.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: Spike was there when that mine behind, very very behind,
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: behind the see movement. But I do miss your sports takes, Jail.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: I talk about this all the time.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: You know. Let me tell you this, Charlotte made I
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: think you deserve You should give me credit because it
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: took a lot for me to resist texting you the
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: day my forty nine ers just put just beat the
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: breaks off, y'all, because because I knew this was I
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: would see him in person, and I never said told.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: Me if I had your number, I would have called you.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: I would have put you in just for five minutes,
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: like do you have something to say?
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Wash them like a black quarter. Happy to see that, Jamil.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: It ain't talk about like what he I was just like, yeah,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: we are problem, but we are a problem for most
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: of them. We knew that, we knew that, but we
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: are a problem for Dallas specifically, you know. And so
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: when I when that, when I saw the final score,
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: because I missed most of the game because I had
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: to some other things to do, but I knew we
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: were gonna win. I just didn't think it was gonna
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: be like that was. I said, you know what I'm
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna give Charlamade some some privacy, you know,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: some talughts and prayers, and then when I see him
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: in person, I be like, your boys, No, that was.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: The moral the first week. I'm like, yo, were going
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: to the super Bowl? You know I say that every year. Yeah,
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: you know, you went the low of the cars. That's
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: nothing right going to super Bowl. But now against New
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: England going to Super Bowl?
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: What was weak?
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Daddy texted them and said, charlam mane were
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: really going to the super Bowl?
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: Buy your tickets.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just the belief is so hard.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: It's just that's been a different conversation.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: The thing that was interesting is that everybody's like, Okay,
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: this is the game that showed how far away the
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Cowboys are from the farting forty nine ers, But like,
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: it's not just about the forty nine ers. Is where
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: does the Dallas rake in the pantheon of teams that
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: are supposed to be close to a super Bowl and
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: they're a lot further behind? Jesus are Like, can you
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: say definitively the Cowboys are as good as the Lions?
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think you can. So
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: it's not just about where they are with San Francisco,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: it's like where do they fit as being a team? Period? Yes,
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Like they're not better than any of those Lions, not
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: better than any of those Yeah, it's no just disrespect,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: I mean and just much like most situations like that
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: gets a lot of the blame and probably when it
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: goes by maybe too much credit. But at some point
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: you know they're going to have to make a decision
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: about him. It's like is this the guy? Because it
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: does some of it does feel like Tony Romo all
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: over again, where they wasted Tony Romo's talent, wasted it
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: on just historically bad defenses, like was though, Yeah, I
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: think Romo is a is a better quarterback, but I
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: think you can win with that, Like I think you
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: can win a super Bowl with that, Like you can
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: go to a super Bowl with that. I mean, no disrespect,
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: No disrespect's coming. But like forty nine ers, they went
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: to Super Bowl with Jimmy Garoppolo and we're really a
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: bad quarter away from winning it. So like I think
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Dak is better than Jimmy Garoppolo.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: The problem is with Romo, right they You know, when
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: when Romo got injured and Dak came in, they were
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: all loving Dak, and now Rome was better than Dak, better.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Than they loved that. He came with Dak's jackstrap on.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Old and hurt, and we knew it was over for Romo.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Like that, that's not nowhere near is good. A quarterback
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: is wrong.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: So what do you think you think they should get
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: rid of that? I think they should get rid of
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: the coaching staff first. I think they need to bring
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: in a new coaching staff before they tried. Before they
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: think about getting rid of.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: That new coaching staff.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy's offense is so predictable. It's just like he's
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: prehistorically right.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: But I want it and it will never happen.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: I want Eric Bellamy to be the coach that Eric
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: hit me, I'm sorry to be coaching now up. The
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: fact that he went from the Chiefs to the Redskins
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: another offensive coordinator is mind boggling to me.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: But I sort of get it because he wanted he
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: needed to be from up under the Andy Reid shadow.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Because even though Andy Reid would say like, no, Eric
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: b enemy does call the plays and this is his offense,
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: people still gave Eddie Reid all the credit. You come
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: to the commanders. Uh, it's less of that, you know, frankly,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: and so people are able to see in real time like, oh, okay,
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: this is this is what his offense looks like without
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: him having Patrick Mahomes and yeah, so I think he
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: just he did it because he had to get from
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: up under a shadow. The other problem, too, is that
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: you fire Mike McCarthy and then the same person, same
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: brain trust, is in charge of finding your new coach mercy.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, a coaching a coach opening can be good
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: and bad. In Dallas's case, I think it's bad.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: You think Jerry should pass away? Is what you said.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter because it's going through the family. Yes,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: because you got Steven, you got his daughter, Like it's
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: still gonna be a Jones run.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Team and were basically saying we won't be good.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if it's if it's all
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: strictly on ownership, because the one thing I will say
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: about Jerry Jones is like he will he will spin
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: them money to win. So it's not that it's just
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: he won't let his own ego linquage control, relinquish control. Yeah,
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: and he certainly won't hire another coach that could possibly
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: be credited more than him. So like everybody's like, oh,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Sean Payton, he'll never get a Shampagne Like, I don't
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: see it. Like he'll never get the type of coach
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: much like he had with Jimmy Johnson who will ultimately
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: get the credit for getting the team to the super Bowl.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: He wants all the credit. So he needs a coach
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: that is a little a little bit lesser than like
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: in terms of personality profile. He he can't take anybody
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: that can compete with his profile. That's why Deon Sanders
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: would never do it. Like some of the Cowboy fans like,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: we should hire me out. I was like, that would
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: never happen. You think Jarry Jones, don't less somebody come
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: in there. And take all the credit and all the shine. No,
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: it's not happening.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Hey, this is the pressing. Let's go back to one
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: one of the topics.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: Okay, THEO Vaughn and Sexy read all right talking talk
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: about a couple of times. What about that interview. It's
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: so upsetting. And the reason I say that is because
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: I'm like Sexy Red salute to her. Yeah, political take.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people.
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: I do know a lot of people in the hood
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: who think that way, and I actually understand why they
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: think that way.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: But I think that when you don't say why they
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: think that way.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: I get it because it's simple things, right or the
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: first step fact, let people out of jail.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: They give Trump credit, no follow up on what happened
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: with that.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: The stimulus checks.
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: People got fourteen hundred dollars checks in the mail with
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: Donald Trump's name on it.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: When you have a government that you feel like has
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: never done anything for you and you see.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Them do a little something, it looks like a lot
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: a lot, you know what I mean. So it's like
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: and then when.
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: I see all of these people who I know are
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: politically astute beating up on her, I'm like just educate her, like,
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: just educate the people that think that way, Like there's
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: no need to beat up on her.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: It's sexy red.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't think that anybody was rushing
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: to hear, you know, what her political texts were. But
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: the problem is that it does it does unintentional, untold
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: damage still and you know, like you said, that's not
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: her fault, like she's a she's it is and it
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: isn't because like you have a platform now, and I
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: know that she's going to learn this in real time
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: and it's learning this. Unfortunately, some very tough lessons in
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks about the things that she's
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: gone viral for is that there's going to be an
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: inherent responsibility people listen to you. So when they hear
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: you saying things like that and you're saying them whimsically
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: and not very seriously, it can do a lot of damage.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Like everybody doesn't have to be a Colin Kaepernick or
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: have to be a Malcolm X or Martin Luther King.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: It's a reason why there was only one of these,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: like one of these a generation, like the reason why
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: they don't come along a lot. But you can't undermine
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: it right. It's like, you know, so what I had
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: a problem with is like the misinformation. It wasn't that
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: she gave her political take. She's allowed to give her
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: political tape. She could have said I supported Trump and
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: listed off the reasons that actually made a little bit
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: more sense. Yeah, she could have said that, because it's
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: her right to have that opinion. But it's the misinformation
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: that that is what I see is to be more
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: when you have that kind of platform, because like it
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: or not, people aren't going to listen to her. And
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: even though you know she's talked about they love Trump
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: in the hood. I was like, well, the poles don't
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: really show that, but that's okay, go ahead, go off.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: And so I took the opportunity. To your point, I
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: saw it as a teachable moment because, as you said,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: there are some people who do say the same things.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: So let's deal with what's being said. Even though Donald
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Trump's name were on that stimulus check, he did not
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: the money did not come from it me. It didn't
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: come right out of his bank account. It was passed
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: by Congress people. And that's part of the general collective
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: ignorance that we have a lot of us don't know
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: how government works. There's no shame in that because it
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: is a complicated system. But we have to understand how
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: legislation has passed, how policies are made, knowing the right
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: person to be mad at, because a lot of the
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: things that people are mad at, you know, inflation, other things.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: I was like, the president doesn't have a whole lot
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: to do with that, and we're in a huge age
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: of corporate greed like we've never seen before. And I
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: wish that we had a better hand on who to
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: blame because then that would help us better strategize.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: But you know what, I tell the tell the hood.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: I'll just be like, Biden gave our Stemmys two.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: But that was brilliant though. I was like, I mean,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: no president in the history has ever done that.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: He's like, no, no, no, no.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: The tecks get held up because he was like, no, no,
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna need that. Donald J.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: Trump on it because he knew, he knew the lasting
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: impact that would have. But technically, you're right, Biden Trump
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: signed signed it in twice, Yeah, signed it in once.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Biden gave out Stemmys two.
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: It is that's the hook, Yeah, right, That's how you
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: get the sexy reds and all.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: It isn't. And unfortunately the other part of it is
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: that the amount of media machinery behind the right wing
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: there's no democratic equivalent, Like there's no democratic equivalent to
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Fox News. So when people are like, oh, democrats have
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: a messaging problem, like, they don't actually have a messaging problem.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: They're just up against a force that they cannot duplicate,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Like they can't duplicate having an own a NEWSMAC channels
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: who twenty for seven. This is all they do is
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: tell them the same ten lies over and over again.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: And they just don't have that because as liberal as
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: you may think MSNBC is or CNN, they're still gonna
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: mostly call it down the middle. Down the middle is
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: not the same as democratic messaging. That's constantly being like
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: we're doing this, we're doing this, we're doing this. So
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: they're up against something that frankly, I'm not sure that
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: they can overcome it. And it doesn't help when you
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: have really popular people with a platform who continue to
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: pay it the same misinformation as some of these other channels.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: So I hope somebody in her camp or somebody period
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: pulled her aside and said, hey, here are the issues.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: If you're gonna speak about these, and if you're gonna
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: take a pro Trump position, at least if you're gonna
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: take one, take one that is a little more informative
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: than the one that, oh, your facts, know your.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Facts, and people just like to be entertained. Nowadays. Two,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: they do tru be very entertaining. That's why you see
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: these do it.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: By the way, I would bet that most of these
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: people who have Donald Trump chains and stuff they not
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: ready to vote.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: But that's the other thing, why are you even care? Serious? Like,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: why do you even care?
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know the people at the rallies, man, I
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: think those.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: People that they read, I think you're talking.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: About, Like, yeah, but I know that. I'm like, I
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: bet you didn't not resister the vote. Yeah, I bet
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: you said you're not restable.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, that would have been like a great follow
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: up to be like, oh, so are you registered to vote?
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Are do you playing the vote for him in the
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: next election. That would have been something to bring up
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: with her, But I guarantee that might be the last
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: political question she for quite some time. So in Spotify
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: with Spotify, I did, I did, and you know, listen,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: I was there. I got there in twenty nineteen, and
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: you know, Spotify was undergoing quite a change in the
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: sense that like they really wanted to be the most
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: prominent brand in the podcast game, and so a lot
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: of the things, a lot of the ups and downs
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: and figuring stuff out. Sometimes when you become a part
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: of something that's I wouldn't call them necessarily new, but
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: a part of something that's like in a deep evolution period,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: you can, you know, you can wind up, you can
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: wind up experiencing some of their growing prains, which are
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: not necessarily out of malice, but nevertheless they impact your business.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: And so I think Spotify was overall a great partner.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: We had a good relationship, but for the things that
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: I wanted to do, they just weren't a fit. And
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: you know it was it was not an easy parting
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: because again we were able to produce a lot of
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: good things together. The podcast is self Jamail Hills Unbothered.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: You know on multiple NAACP Image Awards, one Webby Awards,
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: like it was a very highly regarded podcast, but that
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: in the podcast network that I created for black women,
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: I just think ultimately weren't a fit for them. And
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: so One thing the experience that ESPN taught me is
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: that when I see certain things and see certain I
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: guess for lack of better way to put in red flags,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: then I know, like, I probably am better off Before
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: this gets to a point where it is contentious, where
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: you don't like each other as much, it's probably best
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: that I move on. Yeah, so, because I just I
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: guess I'm really extraordinarily sensitive to those things following the
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: ESPN experience, and so when I saw some of the
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: same decisions being made in the same dynamics, I was like, yeah,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: this is probably a good time.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: It's like Pittsburgh, the Steelers, they used to be known
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: for this is in fact, they were good at cutting
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: players too early rather than too late.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Right, And so I felt like we should probably cut
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: the relationship now as opposed to later on with this
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: would be bad for both of us.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: One more question, do you still think they get Hilly's
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: racist a reason for it?
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know why you said.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: That you thought she was racist for not wanting Vice
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: President Harry.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: No, so it's not that because again, like in politics,
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: you're not gonna agree with who needs to be the leader.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: It's not the general disagreement that I think people took
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: it that way. But I know what she's doing, and
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: I know in general what the Conservatives do when it
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: comes to Kamala Harris is you know, I know vice
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: presidents have other vice presidents have been scrutinized. You know,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: certainly Dick Cheney was Biden. I don't think so much.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, to be honest, like nobody really did Mike Pence. Okay,
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: you know, so all of a sudden, this's infatuation with
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: what the vice president does. It's just funny that certain
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: types of criticisms that have been made about Kamala Harris
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: are criticisms that are very unique to her being a
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: black woman in that position. And so I feel like
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: one of the bullhorns, one of the dog whistles they
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: use is by throwing out, oh, you know, she could
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: be president. Is because what they're really trying to say
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: is like, you know, this black woman could be president
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: if you reelect Joe Biden. And that's why all of
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: it not all of a sudden, but that's why his age,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: even though Trump is like what Trump is like about
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: the same four years ago. They vote old. Okay, they're
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: both old. But the focus and the attention and the
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: level of scrutiny on Joe Biden's age and health are
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: in part due because of who is the vice president.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Because the message they're really trying to see is like, oh,
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: by showing him, you know, because as he's told people before,
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: like he struggles with suttering, right, So he's not the
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: most I don't think effective public speaker because of that struggle.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: He's probably very conscious of it, but they are constantly
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: running these clips of him sort of looking out of it,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: because what they're really trying to communicate is like, oh,
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: but you know he's behind him. Do y'all really want
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: a black woman to be president? And I feel like
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Nikki Haley uses that. So one of the reasons, like
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: when Don Lemon said that about when he criticized her,
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: and all he was saying was she needs to be
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: careful lobbing the whole ageism thing, because there are people
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: out there who feel like women are aged out or
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: they're past their prime at a certain point. Like if
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: you say that about a woman, people are gonna have problems.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: So why are you saying this about your political opponents?
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Because if somebody comes at you that way, You're gonna
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: be mad, That's all he was saying. Right, And she
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: constantly is talking about Biden's age, and She's talked about
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Trump's age before, I believe, And so my whole thing
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: with her is like, by constantly drumming up a level
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: of criticism for Kamala Harris, we know what you're doing.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: We know the dog whistle that you're trying to blow.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: And given her history, I mean, what her father taught
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: at HBCU, you know, the fact is she's a person
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: of color in this country. And to see some of
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: her opinions about affirmative action and about just in general
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: the conditions of people of color and black people specifically
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: in this country. I mean, it took a horrible shooting
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: at Charleston for her to understand why the Confederate flag
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: is not appropriate. So there's a lot of things on
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: her record to check her about. So I'm not calling
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: her a flat out racist, but what I will say
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: is that she's very comfortable using racist dog whistles to
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: further and advance her political position.
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: I feel like the biggest opposition Vice President Harris is
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: going to face is going to come from in her
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: own party.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, I agree.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: I think that there's people in her party right now
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: who don't want her to be vice president.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: I did in time, and it's the hit pieces that
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: are done on her. It's just I don't I mean,
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: I get it, but I don't get it.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I had to go Google and see, well what did
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: she do? Like I was like, I'm not of nowhere long.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: As I mean, and even some of us who are
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: just like, well, what is she doing? Where's she being?
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Like she literally speaks every day guys like I don't
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: know what to tell y'all, Like you're like, where is she?
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: I'm like, uh, because I'm on the mailing list. I
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: get our schedule practically every day. Like she's always doing
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: a lot of things, like I know right now, she's
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: on the college tour to to you know, not only
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: just promote what they're doing in terms of alleviating some
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: of these student loans, but also to just encourage people
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: again to pursue their academic pursuits, because somehow in this
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: country we got to a point where now degrees are bad,
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Now going to college is bad. But no that like,
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: she's been subjected to a lot of hip pieces, and
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: you could tell their hip pieces because of some of
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: the things they say about her.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: You can tell that from within, and.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: They can tell that from within. It's like because I
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: think in that is this. This is the article that
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: mentioned how much time she spends on her hair. On
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: her hair, Like are you serious? Like that's what we're doing?
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Like on her air, Like she's a black woman. I
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: bet she is going to spend some time on her
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: air because the moment she doesn't look presentable, guess what
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: the conversation is going to be about the vice president.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: So it's like she's damned damned if she doesn't. She's
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: caught in a really type position. And I feel like
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: it is really it's really neutering what I think makes
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: her such a strong politician. And like it or not,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Joe Biden would not have gotten elected without her, He
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: would not have She was the strongest, I think, person
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: for him to run with. It was her.
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: The general election polls that you see that shows Trump
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: beating Biden or scaring people in the Democratic Party and
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: they're looking for somebody to blame, correct, and it's her.
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: And I think that there is some type of groundswell
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: happening in that party to get her out of the
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: picture and put somebody else there.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to do that because I
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: think they know that that would be politically way worse.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: Because even with the conversations that have been had about
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Vice President Harrison our community and there being some mixed
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: feelings in our community about her, even with all that
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: being said, if they take her off the ticket, that
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: will not play well with us because Black black people
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: overwhelmingly support her, right, and this is we're the people
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: you need to bring to the voting party you cannot win.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Overwhelmingly support her. And look, I know people, I know
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: people are gonna watch this, and I know they'll comment,
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: you know, and say, like, overwhelmingly support Kamala Harris. Look
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: at who's voting, and they're in our community. Look who vote?
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: Older people vote? Right? You think older people, older black
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: people don't love Kamala heirs. They love Kamala hairs. I
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: think so absolutely, a thousand percent, dude, like black people.
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: Like they will always going to show black people, always
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: show democratic black people. I hear a lot of older
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: black people's men and women, they don't really they don't
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: vote for I don't know.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: Look, I think the majority of Black people support Kamala Hairs.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: I do again. I'm not saying that there have not
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: been criticisms in our community that people have brought to
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: the surface, like we sure about this or not majority support.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: Kamla Harris, all right, I mean, look, listen, do you
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: feel like that there's another viable VP that.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Will get No. I don't think that exactly. I don't
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: think the Democrats have no bitch period.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: No, it's then it's then like when you look at
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: who could have run bench.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: Just Claire, he said, bench, bench, No, bench.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Clearly she heard bitch and I heard bitch.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: That's what I said. Bitch. That's all beyond you from
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: South Carolina. Now you understand me.
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: You heard.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Said, let me clear bench, he said, bench. Ladies and gentlemen.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: A lot of times when people think that you've said
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: something on air that you haven't said, I was like,
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: look at the person next to him. If the person
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: next to him doesn't respond, but that means they probably
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: didn't say it.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: I heard it, but I was like, you didn't respond,
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: but I looked over your shoulders.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: She was like, actually said that. You would be like,
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: hey man, bitch, very clearly bitch South Carolina.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: Bitch.
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: You made me question, was like that you said about.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: But it sounded like you said, just now say bitch, bitch.
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: I said, they don't have no bench, right.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: No bitch, no bitch.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: All right, I mean this, This wouldn't even make sense
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: like the Democrats. I got no bitch like that.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: You just talked about. Kamala Harrison. He said they ain't
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: got no other bitch. Bitch, he's got no other bitch.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm glad they'd be like God's crazy.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: That'd be crazy like charlamademla airs d.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Somebody still might say that we live in that era.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: Somebody still solutely did not say that.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Jesus people, he didn't say it.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: Bitch, my god, Oh my good.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: All right, ladies and gentlemen, Pill Memoir, the paperbacks. All
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: right now, I appreciate you for joining us. And it's
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: the Breakfast Club. Good morning, Wake that ass up in
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: the morning.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: The Breakfast Club.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: M hm.