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Chuck & Buck 12-17 Hour 2: 12th man news with Gregg Bell, NFL News & Notes and Reckless at Breakfast. · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 3: for details. The Kracking couldn't get it done again last night.
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Speaker 3: That's now what nine out of ten games that they
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Speaker 3: have lost. Yes, they were taking on the best team
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Speaker 3: in the NHL right now, the Colorado Avalanche, and yes
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Speaker 3: they led at one point in the second period in
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Speaker 3: that contest, but they end up coughing up the lead
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Speaker 3: losing got an empty net goal late. Wasn't as bad
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Speaker 3: as what it looked like it was about a one
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Speaker 3: goal difference in that game, but it ends up being
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Speaker 3: five to three is your final score. So the Krakens
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Speaker 3: losing ways continue. They can't seem to get out of
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Speaker 3: this slump right now, nine losses in their last ten games.
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Speaker 3: They'll try to end the skid in Calgary against the Flames,
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Speaker 3: and that game will be tomorrow night at six o'clock.
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Speaker 3: Let's take a look at the rest of your frost
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Speaker 3: brewed corps light choose chill headlines from the NBA. The
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Speaker 3: NBA Cup was determined last night. This end season tournament
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Speaker 3: that the NBA is trying to convince us is really cool,
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Speaker 3: and yet it really feels like players are embarrassed to
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Speaker 3: win it. That's probably not a good thing for Adam Silver.
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Speaker 3: But based on Adam Silver's other report yesterday that he
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Speaker 3: is going to announce in twenty twenty six the expansion
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Speaker 3: plans for the National Basketball Association, we should probably be
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Speaker 3: kissing up to the commissioner right now. So I'll say, man,
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Speaker 3: I love that NBA Cup. What theater you've created, Adam Silver.
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Speaker 3: You are a genius the.
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Speaker 5: Way you paint those floors to give everyone a headache amazing.
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Speaker 3: Ah Man, and it is NonStop, breathtaking action. I think
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Speaker 3: it's nearly as good as the NBA.
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Speaker 1: Finals, probably better, but just halfway through the season, it's
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Speaker 1: like two of them.
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Speaker 3: Two championships. Silver said that yes, he's put Seattle in
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Speaker 3: Vegas through too much waiting for this announcement, and he
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Speaker 3: really didn't mention anybody else. He kind of lumped in
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Speaker 3: the rest of the world with other possibilities for expansion.
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Speaker 3: He named Seattle and Las Vegas individually collectively. He said,
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Speaker 3: we will make an announcement in twenty twenty six. Enough
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Speaker 3: of this, so yeah, yes, that is a bit of
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Speaker 3: news that we certainly will discuss a little bit later
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Speaker 3: on in the show. It's college football playoff week. Oklahoma
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Speaker 3: and Alabama will get it started on Friday night at
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Speaker 3: five o'clock. There'll be three games on Saturday. Also from
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Speaker 3: college football, Jeremiah Love announced his intentions to enter the
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Speaker 3: NFL Draft. Very likely he'll be a top ten pick,
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Speaker 3: maybe even a top five pick, even though he plays
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Speaker 3: the running back position. Mariners made a signing yesterday. They
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Speaker 3: signed a true backup catcher yesterday, Andrew Kisner to a
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Speaker 3: one year deal. So Kissner is just to give you
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Speaker 3: a scouting report. My dad used to make He made
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Speaker 3: me a pitch back when I was a kid because
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Speaker 3: he couldn't always be home to catch and throw it
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Speaker 3: back to me. So he made it like this pitchback thing.
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Speaker 3: It was like this square thing with a net and
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Speaker 3: it would just launch the ball right back to me.
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Speaker 3: That's pretty much Andrew Kissner. He's a pitch back with feet.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's the role that he will play. And
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Speaker 3: of course in the National Football League, Thursday Night Football
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Speaker 3: gets it started and we are at the heart of
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Speaker 3: the football world. Seattle will host the Los Angeles Rams tomorrow,
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Speaker 3: the biggest game of the regular season. Time to talk
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Speaker 3: more about it with our Seahawks insider Greg Bell.
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Speaker 2: With the bell tolls.
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Speaker 4: It must be seven o'clock and time for twelfth Man
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Speaker 4: Now with twelk Man News, here's Greg Bell with Chuck
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Speaker 4: and Bud.
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Speaker 3: Good morning, Greg. All right, well, here we are just
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Speaker 3: a day away. I mean, we're already days into this
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Speaker 3: conversation about this game, but that's how big it is.
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Speaker 3: And of course so we highlight injury reports more so
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Speaker 3: than ever we have. Do we have any updated information
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Speaker 3: on our left tackle and their number two wide receiver today.
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Speaker 2: Well, they both were estimated not practicing. Again, the Seahawks
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Speaker 2: had a t shirt practice or walked through, and they
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Speaker 2: said if had they had a fuller practice that they
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Speaker 2: estimate that Charles Cross was not a practice with the
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Speaker 2: hamstring issue to Vante Adams, same thing for Los Angeles. Look,
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Speaker 2: hamstring issues are probably the wrong injury to try to
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Speaker 2: go three days rest and play two games on, and
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Speaker 2: especially with two teams that are going to be playing
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Speaker 2: in January. So I would be surprised at this point
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Speaker 2: if either one of them play. The word I'm getting
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Speaker 2: from friends of mine that around the Rams in LA
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Speaker 2: say that Adams is probably not going to play. But
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Speaker 2: the McVeigh is kind of doing a little bit of
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Speaker 2: gamesmanship by saying we'll take it up to game time.
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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that's what McDonald's going to say the
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Speaker 2: same thing about Charles Cross today. But I would be
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Speaker 2: surprised if either one plays, that means Josh Jones at
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Speaker 2: left tackle, and it means probably more of a three
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Speaker 2: tight ends. For the Rams, they played twenty four and
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Speaker 2: a half percent, almost twenty five percent, one out of
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Speaker 2: every four plays in three tight ends, by far the
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Speaker 2: most in the league. The league average is five percent.
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Speaker 2: Colby Parkinson has been very good for them in the
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Speaker 2: former Seahawks, of course that they drafted first four years
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Speaker 2: in the league with Seattle. He's been the primary thrust
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Speaker 2: of that. But they have a Terrence Ferguson, a rookie
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Speaker 2: that also sixty six two hundred and fifty pounds. Becomes
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Speaker 2: a matchup nightmare when you have to cover Parkinson and
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Speaker 2: Ferguson and a third tight end who has three touchdowns.
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Speaker 2: But I wrote for the News Tribune yesterday, I think
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Speaker 2: the Seahawks and the Seahawks think the Seahawks are uniquely
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Speaker 2: prepared for this because of Nick emon Warry in particular,
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Speaker 2: they have an asset that not anybody else has. They
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Speaker 2: can mix, mix and match Witherspoon and Emon Warrey on.
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Speaker 2: If they go three tight ends, it could put Witherspoon
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Speaker 2: on Coopum the Coua. They can even put Nicky Moon
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Speaker 2: Warrey on Poopoo the cooah, because we've seen even Warrey
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Speaker 2: even covering Justin Jefferson. So, like I said yesterday, I
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Speaker 2: think Mike McDonald's got unlike any other defense in MINDA league.
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Speaker 2: I think he's got Sean McVay. I think we may
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Speaker 2: see that again the Morrow night.
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Speaker 1: So if it is Josh Jones, and I'm with you,
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Speaker 1: I think that the hamstrings, those are touchy ones. I
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Speaker 1: remember in college polling one and then I came back
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Speaker 1: too soon and next thing you know, is a lingering
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Speaker 1: thing for the rest of the season. So I think
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Speaker 1: they do take those really seriously. That just Jones, is
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Speaker 1: there a drop off because I mean, looking at some
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Speaker 1: of the stats and his limited amount of time, he
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Speaker 1: actually looked pretty good out there.
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Speaker 2: He isn't good and that's why they signed m to
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Speaker 2: be a swing tackle. He came in the other day
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Speaker 2: at right tackle when Abe Lucas was getting checked for
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Speaker 2: a few plays that Lucas was signing to finish the game.
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Speaker 2: But sure there's a drop off. Otherwise Josh Jones will
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Speaker 2: be starting. They have the strength of their offensive line
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Speaker 2: coming in the season. Was their two starting tackles so
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Speaker 2: if one of us not gonna play in the biggest
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Speaker 2: game of the year, yeah, absolutely, that's a drop off.
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Speaker 2: But again, this is why they signed Josh Jones and
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Speaker 2: who's played both sides of the line and tackle both
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Speaker 2: sides of the line of guard, most recently for the Ravens,
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Speaker 2: but for Houston and other teams. This is why he's here.
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Speaker 2: So go do what you've been signed to do.
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Speaker 3: Greg bellis with us our Seahawks insider. It's interesting you
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Speaker 3: brought up the name Robbie Ootz yesterday. Maybe we'll see
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Speaker 3: more of him. I'm also thinking back to me too. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: I think I'm also thinking back to training camp when
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Speaker 3: Jalen Milroe was supposed to have a package all season long,
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Speaker 3: and we haven't heard the name Jalen Milroe in weeks.
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Speaker 3: Maybe it's pointless to ask about him with such a
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Speaker 3: big game tomorrow, But is there a chance that there's
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Speaker 3: a couple of little wrinkles involving him since we've forgotten
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Speaker 3: about him and maybe the Rams have as well.
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Speaker 2: There's a chance, but they've time. They decided that roster
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Speaker 2: spots are more important than a gimmicky third quarterback package.
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Speaker 2: Plays might read on this I've talked to Andrew Johnico,
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Speaker 2: the quarterbacks coach, talk to King Kubac about him. They've
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Speaker 2: decided this is basically a rich shirt year for him,
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Speaker 2: and because they're not getting consistent push and blocking in
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Speaker 2: the run game, they decided to scrap this whole experiment
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Speaker 2: for the time being. Okay, I think that's what I
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Speaker 2: think that. I mean, basically, it's been if we can't
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Speaker 2: block for Kenneth Walker, why are we going to put
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Speaker 2: Jana Miller out there and try and get him beat up?
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Speaker 2: So I think that's where it's at right now, and
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Speaker 2: this is a red shirt season for him. All right.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean there's some concern with some of the
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Speaker 1: weather that's rolling in. Obviously, I'm just con The Seahawks
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Speaker 1: like to run. They like to make sure that they
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Speaker 1: let everybody know we're not afraid to run, even if
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Speaker 1: it's not being super effective, if it's really super windy.
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Speaker 1: Do you see them even doubling down on that more Unfortunately.
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Speaker 2: Well unfortunately in a way, yes, because unfortunately, you'd say,
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Speaker 2: because of their results forty nine yards on twenty two
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Speaker 2: carries against the Colts, they still lead the league in
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Speaker 2: most run play forty eight percent of the time they're running,
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Speaker 2: yet they're fifth to last, and how much they're getting
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Speaker 2: three point nine yards per carry, And that's the problem.
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Speaker 2: I think they're going to I don't know to answer
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Speaker 2: your question. They're not just going to throw up their
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Speaker 2: hands and say we're not running it anymore. And the
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Speaker 2: conditions tomorrow will be such that they may even do
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Speaker 2: it even more. I think the Rams the same way.
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Speaker 2: This is not a night. If the win now, the
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Speaker 2: rain they can deal with, and we've talked about that.
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Speaker 2: But if this is as windy as they're predicting, then
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Speaker 2: I don't see this as a game that Stafford throws
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Speaker 2: it around forty times, and they Seahawks have been in
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Speaker 2: the run either keep saying it. They ain't going anywhere
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Speaker 2: until they run the ball. Not winning the West, not
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Speaker 2: having home playoff games, not win the Super Bowl. If
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Speaker 2: they don't win tomorrow, Guys, the Seahawks are strong. I
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Speaker 2: mean it would take a catastrophic failure or the Rams
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Speaker 2: to lose the division if they don't win tomorrow. The
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Speaker 2: Rams don't win tomorrow. But if the Seahawks don't win tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: we're looking at at Tampa, at Chicago or Green Bay
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Speaker 2: to start the playoffs. Now, nobody is so running away
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Speaker 2: with this that you can look at any team and say, well,
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Speaker 2: the Sea Owks have no chance against them. But that's
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Speaker 2: not exactly a recipe to go win the Super Bowl,
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Speaker 2: Go to Tampa Bay, go to Chicago, and go to
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Speaker 2: whoever's left. If after you've won those two games, that's
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Speaker 2: a tough gauntlet to go. The Seaks can do it
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Speaker 2: because of the defense they have, but the path is
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Speaker 2: going to get a lot harder than to win tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: I think they're going to keep running it. We'll see
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Speaker 2: if any effectiveness at all k Charles Cross not in
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Speaker 2: it doesn't help.
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Speaker 3: It's been so long since we've evaluated Josh Jones, and
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Speaker 3: I thought he looked terrific in the preseason, particularly, But
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Speaker 3: what I mean, if you do have to run the
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Speaker 3: run the ball more because of weather or because of effectiveness,
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Speaker 3: whatever the case may be, does Josh Jones what's his profile?
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Speaker 3: Is he a better pass blocker run blocker? How would
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Speaker 3: we describe Josh Jones at this stage if he is
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Speaker 3: in fact replacing Charles Cross.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's been in the league because it was pass blocking.
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Speaker 2: It's a past league. But the teams. He's played for
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Speaker 2: Houston and Baltimore before this particular run the ball more
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Speaker 2: than most teams do, especially Baltimore and the Baltimore profile,
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Speaker 2: even though it was only a year or so that
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Speaker 2: he was there. Is why he's with Seattle. So the
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Speaker 2: answer is both and again, this is why you do this.
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Speaker 2: This is why you sign a veteran swing guy. I
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Speaker 2: think all the veteran swing guys and tackles they've had
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Speaker 2: the last few years, instead of just relying on an
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Speaker 2: undrafted rookie year some roster filler guy, this is the
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Speaker 2: break class in case of emergency guy, and that's exactly
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Speaker 2: what they're going to be looking at tomorrow. Again, they
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Speaker 2: haven't ruled out Charles Cross. I want to make that Clayer,
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Speaker 2: but with the hamstring issue, who's seen that way?
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Speaker 6: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't think they will, probably right
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Speaker 1: up until the end. Same with Devonte Adams. But I
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Speaker 1: have a hard time thing neither of them are going
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Speaker 1: to play in this game. We're seeing how and I've
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Speaker 1: seen something you wrote about the thirteen personnel that Sean
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Speaker 1: McVay runs. Does that play into the hands of the
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Speaker 1: Seahawks defense or is that something they're not necessarily used
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Speaker 1: to well, they're used.
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Speaker 2: To it now playing the Rams for a second time.
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Speaker 2: But this is the first year that McDonald or that
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Speaker 2: McVeigh has done it. He's run. According to some metrics
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Speaker 2: out there that measure this stuff, he's run at two
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Speaker 2: hundred and thirteen times in thirteen personnel this year. In
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Speaker 2: the eight seasons before this, he ran one hundred and
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Speaker 2: thirty times. So he's done it almost twice as much
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Speaker 2: in thirteen games as he did in eight years. He's
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Speaker 2: completely zigg well. The rest of the league' zactly. The
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Speaker 2: rest of the league has been chasing mcvay's.
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Speaker 7: Schemes where okay, small guys, horizontal running, Fukunakua, Cooper cup
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Speaker 7: running horizontal routes, defensive stretch from sideline to sideline. That
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Speaker 7: is what the league has been catching up to for
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Speaker 7: a better part of the decade since McVeigh took over
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Speaker 7: that job.
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Speaker 2: And now he's flipping and going big. And Juliane Love
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Speaker 2: mentioned this to me the other day that probably next
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Speaker 2: year two everyone else will catch up to him again
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Speaker 2: and everyone will be running thirteen personnel and he'll have
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Speaker 2: another answer for that. I do think it plays into
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Speaker 2: the Seahawks strength. I do think it puts Nick emn
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Speaker 2: Worry on the spot. And what better guy on the
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Speaker 2: team that'd be on the spot than Nick even Worry.
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Speaker 2: He guy does everything and everything really well. Nick. He
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Speaker 2: won't get it because he just got in the league
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Speaker 2: and he missed three games. He should be an All
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Speaker 2: Pro this year, and there aren't many all Pro rookies
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Speaker 2: that play five positions and he does. And I knowing
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Speaker 2: McDonald the way I do, and the fact that he
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Speaker 2: didn't even line up at defensive end against the Colts,
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Speaker 2: I think looking back that McDonald put even Worry at
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Speaker 2: defensive end against the Vikings to make McVeigh spend time
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Speaker 2: having to scout that and come up with an answer
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Speaker 2: for that. This week, he even Worry has been better
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Speaker 2: than we I McDonald anyone thought he was going to
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Speaker 2: be because of his adaptability and how quickly he's grasped
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Speaker 2: every single thing McDonald has given him. And he's gonna
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Speaker 2: gi him something new tomorrow. I mean, hell, he might
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Speaker 2: be playing nose tackle tomorrow, but they will bring up
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Speaker 2: something tomorrow that he hasn't seen. McVeigh has not seen
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Speaker 2: from his defense, and Nick emon Worry's gonna be involved
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Speaker 2: in it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to ask you about that to
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Speaker 3: close out our conversation today. You've hinted about how Mike
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Speaker 3: McDonald might have a couple of tricks up his sleeve
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Speaker 3: that he's been saving all season long for you know,
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Speaker 3: this moment in the year. I know if you mentioned specifics,
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Speaker 3: you'll probably get in trouble. So in general, though, what
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Speaker 3: do you what What should we expect that we haven't
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Speaker 3: seen before?
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Speaker 2: Nick even worry all over, maybe in the middle of
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Speaker 2: the defense more than he's been. He's mainly been on
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Speaker 2: the edge, including in his defensive end cameo, but he's
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Speaker 2: mostly been on the edge. Think about his blitzing from
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Speaker 2: outside slot corner. He may maybe more of an inside lineback.
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Speaker 2: He's done inside linebacker with Ernest Jones is the only
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Speaker 2: two off the ball. Guys, I think you're gonna see
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Speaker 2: Devin Witherspoon blitz more. He hasn't blitzed a lot this year,
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Speaker 2: but because some of that's because of even Warre's presence.
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Speaker 2: But you may see them switch and have the Witherspoon
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Speaker 2: blitz and even Worriy come off the line and play
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Speaker 2: a little more coverage than he's been doing, and they
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Speaker 2: still have this wild card as they keep mixing the match.
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Speaker 2: And now the new wild card is three cornerbacks rotating them.
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Speaker 2: Rieke Woad will come in at times and be the
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Speaker 2: outside corner with Witherspoon. Other drives it'll be Job and Witherspoon.
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Speaker 2: Other drives it'll be Woolen and Job. I think you
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Speaker 2: might see more dying tomorrow night. And if they go dime,
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Speaker 2: Kyan Williams might have thirty carries. That's how McVeigh answers
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Speaker 2: sub packages nickel and dime. He runs and he tries
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Speaker 2: to take you out of nickel and dimes so he
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Speaker 2: can throw again. And he's got to back Hyan Williams
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Speaker 2: and an offensive line that can get guys out of subpackage.
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Speaker 2: The problem is Seahawks never get out of sub packages.
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Speaker 2: They play him ninety percent of the time. So because
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Speaker 2: they have Emon Worry is basically a linebacker sometimes even
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Speaker 2: a defensive end. McDonald's not going to get out as
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Speaker 2: nickel and dime because of Eemon Worry. And that's gonna
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Speaker 2: So there's this chess game within the chess game that
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Speaker 2: McVay is not used to. He's not used to running team,
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Speaker 2: not being able to run teams out of nickel and dime,
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Speaker 2: but Seattle's not getting out of it. That's That's the
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Speaker 2: fascinating stuff I'm looking for tomorrow is how much Emon
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Speaker 2: Warrior's on the field, how much Woolen and even Warrior
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Speaker 2: on the field, and how much that gives Mike McDonald
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Speaker 2: all kinds of options between coverages and blitzeres.
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Speaker 3: Greg Bell are Seahawks insider round table tomorrow. I mean
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Speaker 3: it's a pretty big game. I mean the invitation is
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Speaker 3: open to come down here and being studio with us tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm just letting you know I.
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Speaker 2: Might have to do that if I don't need an
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Speaker 2: arc to get downtown. It's by the way, I feel
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Speaker 2: really hope some of you listening aren't in the way
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Speaker 2: of the waters and the levees breaking and the pictures
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Speaker 2: from down south in the Auburn Ken area and hearts
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Speaker 2: out to those people. That's it's been wild, stuffy. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: looking forward tomorrow. And you know you always tease me
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Speaker 2: that I always say that these aren't big game. This
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Speaker 2: is a big game. Yeah, ago season game, go, this
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Speaker 2: is a big this is huge.
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Speaker 3: All right, man, Well we'll talk to you tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: All right, Happy Wednesday. Thanks all right.
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Speaker 6: A big game.
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Speaker 3: of huge game tomorrow night, right here in Seattle. So
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Speaker 3: we'll get back to that conversation in a moment. But
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of interesting things going on across the
19:48
Speaker 3: National Football League that I think we ought to dive into,
19:51
Speaker 3: including a little bit of breaking news. The Miami Dolphins
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Speaker 3: have in fact decided to bench to a tongue of iloa.
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Speaker 3: They're going to start Quinnyewers this week. As the Dolphins
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Speaker 3: were eliminated from the playoffs last week. Mike McDaniel said
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Speaker 3: in his post game press conference that that was something
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Speaker 3: that they might consider, and I don't think he would
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Speaker 3: have suggested that lightly, and so now they're doubling down
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Speaker 3: on it. Quinn Ewers starts to a tongue of Iloa,
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Speaker 3: is benched for the rest of the year. I don't
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Speaker 3: know if this is an example of something that there's
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Speaker 3: more more than just the trees. There's a forestier that
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Speaker 3: maybe twas started his last game, they're going to spend
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Speaker 3: the offseason trying to.
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Speaker 6: Get rid of them.
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Speaker 3: That might be the case, but we're starting to see
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Speaker 3: a few instances where people are discussing whether or not
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Speaker 3: it's even wise to play your quarterback down the stretch.
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Speaker 3: It sort of sort of flies in the face of
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Speaker 3: competitiveness in the National Football League. But the Washington Commanders
20:48
Speaker 3: brought back Jade Daniels. He reaggravated his injured elbow, so
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Speaker 3: they're gonna sit him for the rest of the season.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of talking Cincinnati about why are we
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Speaker 3: playing Joe Burrow if we're a eliminated why would we
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Speaker 3: risk a guy that gets injured all the time? I mean,
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Speaker 3: didn't you not just see Patrick Mahomes get hurt last
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Speaker 3: week and now he's not even going to be ready
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Speaker 3: for the start of next season. So a lot of
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Speaker 3: teams are thinking about, or at least discussing, whether or not,
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Speaker 3: once you're eliminated, should you just bench your franchise quarterback
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Speaker 3: the rest of the way?
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Speaker 6: What do you think about that? I mean the two situation.
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Speaker 1: I think first, he's not playing very well, and even
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Speaker 1: when they were kind of running they kind of went
21:29
Speaker 1: on a little, what four or five game win streak,
21:31
Speaker 1: he still wasn't It wasn't necessarily great. They were just
21:33
Speaker 1: kind of running over people with the run game. I
21:36
Speaker 1: think it's a good idea to find out what Queen
21:38
Speaker 1: Yours has. Although they're kind of stuck with him with
21:41
Speaker 1: this contract. That's I mean, they're like one hundred million
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Speaker 1: dollars of dead money if they were wanting to move
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Speaker 1: on from next year. And I don't know who's taking
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Speaker 1: a concussed filing. Nybody's taken him.
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Speaker 3: But your your team is the perfect example of when
21:53
Speaker 3: it's not there, just go ahead and eat it and
21:55
Speaker 3: get out from under it as soon as possible. Yeah,
21:57
Speaker 3: I mean, the Broncos have turned things around to no time.
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Speaker 3: I imagine if they would have just stuck with Russell
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Speaker 3: this entire time.
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Speaker 6: Oh thank god they didn't. Yeah, I hear you. And
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Speaker 6: yet I mean, on the other.
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Speaker 1: The quarterback front, it just seems like, I mean, to me,
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Speaker 1: I would I don't think you ever figure the game
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Speaker 1: out right now? Does Joe Burrow need to be out
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Speaker 1: there risking another injury, possibly something that could affect next season.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: At the same time, I mean, kind of go earn
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Speaker 1: your paycheck. There's things you can work on, there's things.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this year we were talking about him not
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Speaker 1: playing in the preseason or they played in the preseason
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Speaker 1: because they didn't want to get off to a bad start,
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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he gets hurt and
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Speaker 1: I don't know how you manage the whole thing.
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Speaker 6: I'd be playing my guy, I.
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Speaker 2: Mean, not.
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Speaker 1: The Commanders. I wouldn't have Jaden Daniels playing after his
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Speaker 1: elbow injury. But if you're healthy enough to play, I'd
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Speaker 1: be playing him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: It just seems like we're in this state in just
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Speaker 3: sports in general. Why risk anybody if you don't have to. Yeah,
22:54
Speaker 3: it's kind of where we.
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Speaker 6: Are at right now.
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Speaker 5: And I think with two, especially with his history of
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Speaker 5: concussions and you know, the the fact that they've been
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Speaker 5: dealing with that for years, I could understand them not
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Speaker 5: playing him because you do want to see if there's
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Speaker 5: any value you could have, or just give him that
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Speaker 5: time to not get another concussion and run the risk
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Speaker 5: of getting more seriously hurt. I mean, he's been healthy
23:13
Speaker 5: this year, but this is the first year I think
23:14
Speaker 5: that he's been healthy.
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Speaker 3: As far as Daniels too.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, they played him once and yeah, that proved to
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Speaker 5: be a bad decision when he rehard his elbow.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. The Bengals, for example, a really interesting thing I
23:27
Speaker 3: don't think they're going to move on from Joe Burrow,
23:29
Speaker 3: but if he does make things difficult for them this offseason,
23:33
Speaker 3: if he pulls the Carson Palmer and kind of forces
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Speaker 3: the issue. You know, there's talk already like the Giants
23:41
Speaker 3: sitting there at number one, do you move Jackson Dart
23:45
Speaker 3: if you're the Giants to get either Fernando Mendoza and
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Speaker 3: even better young quarterback with an extra year, or do
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Speaker 3: you move that pick for all the draft capital that
23:57
Speaker 3: you can land because you've already potentially solved your biggest mystery.
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Speaker 3: But I have a feeling that it's gonna be in play,
24:07
Speaker 3: and I think the template is gonna be the Matt Stafford.
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Speaker 6: Jared Golf trade.
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Speaker 3: You know where we might see a Joe Burrow trade
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Speaker 3: this offseason if he forces the issue where Cincinnati might entertain, Hey,
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Speaker 3: if you can give us a franchise quarterback in return,
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Speaker 3: maybe one not right now proven as good as Burrow,
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Speaker 3: but maybe a Jackson Dart. You give us Jackson Dart
24:33
Speaker 3: and the number one pick, yeah, and maybe some other
24:36
Speaker 3: stuff too, then maybe the Cincinnati Bengals would think about
24:40
Speaker 3: moving on from Joe Burrow. But that conversation has already started.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the Vegas Raiders might end up with the
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Speaker 3: number one pick, the Titans might end up with a
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Speaker 3: number one pick. The Giants ought to consider not playing
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Speaker 3: Jackson Dart the rest of the way so that they
24:54
Speaker 3: can keep the number one pick, because the value of
24:56
Speaker 3: that is just so large. It's gotta be more valuable
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Speaker 3: than the lesson or two that Jackson Dark can learn
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Speaker 3: in the last three games of the year. And what
25:08
Speaker 3: if he gets concussed again, Well, that's what I was
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Speaker 3: gonna say.
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Speaker 5: I don't know that he's even going to learn the
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Speaker 5: lesson because he refuses to change the way he plays.
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Speaker 5: He's been evaluated for five concussions in ten games. Yeah,
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Speaker 5: I don't think he's learning the lesson right now.
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Speaker 3: Seems to be a changing face in all of this,
25:20
Speaker 3: and I know that it does fly in the face
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Speaker 3: of like competitive spirit and man, you owe it to
25:25
Speaker 3: all those teams in playoff contention to throw your best
25:28
Speaker 3: guy out there. But I don't think that NFL teams
25:31
Speaker 3: view it anymore as I owe the league this versus
25:36
Speaker 3: what do I need to protect that is my own
25:39
Speaker 3: and I think these decisions aren't going to be based
25:43
Speaker 3: off of what is in the best interest of us
25:46
Speaker 3: and us alone. We don't give a damn about anything else.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like that, but I think you're right.
25:51
Speaker 1: I think that there definitely is way more going into that.
25:54
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't that long ago. I mean definitely
25:57
Speaker 1: ten years ago. It is like, if you're healthy to play,
25:59
Speaker 1: you go play. I mean the play. The coaches weren't
26:01
Speaker 1: going to go for anything from the upfront office. They
26:04
Speaker 1: weren't even going to probably have that conversation. If the
26:07
Speaker 1: GM was like, hey, what do you think about rest
26:08
Speaker 1: and so and so, you know, I could really use
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Speaker 1: the first pick overall versus the second or third, the
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Speaker 1: coach would just probably flip out and walk out of
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Speaker 1: the room. Nowadays, I think probably gms and head coaches
26:20
Speaker 1: are a little bit more on the same page of hey.
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Speaker 6: We could really use this, so maybe, but.
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Speaker 1: The head coach typically, I mean, if you're on the
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Speaker 1: hot seat, if you're somebody that's still fighting for your job,
26:29
Speaker 1: then you've got to try to keep that team going
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Speaker 1: in the competitive direction. If you've already been fired or
26:34
Speaker 1: you're an interim guy, maybe you're just doing whatever the
26:36
Speaker 1: GM's asking.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think that maybe the coach doesn't quite have
26:41
Speaker 3: the power that they once had. I think that's going
26:43
Speaker 3: to be an owner or a general manager decision that's
26:47
Speaker 3: going to be made. And so certainly we're not going
26:50
Speaker 3: to give the power to a coach that we might
26:52
Speaker 3: fire at the end of the year. You're not going
26:54
Speaker 3: to make this decision on whether or not I start
26:57
Speaker 3: my franchise quarterback or not. Baltimore gets eliminated. Considering all
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Speaker 3: the injuries that Lamar Jackson has had this year, I
27:04
Speaker 3: mean I think that he sits the rest of the season.
27:06
Speaker 3: I mean, I know the Indianapolis Colts want to preserve
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Speaker 3: their quarterback Philip Rivers, but if they get eliminated, I
27:14
Speaker 3: don't know. I think they might hold on so that
27:16
Speaker 3: they can get the most out of his age forty
27:18
Speaker 3: five season next year. Yeah you got you gotta hold
27:20
Speaker 3: on for forty five? Yeah, Yeah, you don't want to
27:23
Speaker 3: risk that. No, yeah, you don't want to burn that
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Speaker 3: to the ground. All right. Coming up later on in
27:28
Speaker 3: the program, we green check at it. Coming up next,
27:30
Speaker 3: it's a Wednesday, and so we get a little reckless
27:33
Speaker 3: at Breakfast on Sports Radio ninety three point three KHARFM.
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Speaker 3: Biggest game of the year, doesn't doesn't mean it's going
27:38
Speaker 3: to be the biggest game of the regular season. That
27:41
Speaker 3: forty nine Ers game still looms, and so that might
27:44
Speaker 3: end up being the biggest game of the year to
27:47
Speaker 3: close out the regular season. But for right now, what's
27:50
Speaker 3: in front of us, this thing is huge. And I've
27:53
Speaker 3: been saying now for several weeks that I thought the
27:57
Speaker 3: Seahawks outplayed the Los Angeles Rams the lastlast time that
28:00
Speaker 3: they met, and the only difference was that the Rams
28:04
Speaker 3: won the game twenty one to nineteen. I mean, that's
28:07
Speaker 3: what it's about, is winning the game. So I gave
28:09
Speaker 3: them credit for winning the game. But I went back
28:13
Speaker 3: to my notes from that contest, and I have all
28:15
Speaker 3: sorts of notes, and the very last thing that I
28:18
Speaker 3: wrote on the page Rams twenty one Seahawks nineteen, great
28:24
Speaker 3: game underlined, and then I.
28:26
Speaker 6: Wrote, We're better.
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Speaker 3: That's what I wrote right there, and I do believe that,
28:31
Speaker 3: And I look at the numbers and that game, the
28:35
Speaker 3: Seahawks had twenty six first downs to the Rams twelve
28:40
Speaker 3: more than twice. We had seventy nine total plays to
28:43
Speaker 3: their fifty. We kept the ball for thirty eight minutes
28:47
Speaker 3: to their twenty two. Matt Stafford, who's been the MVP
28:51
Speaker 3: of the season to this point in the year, You're
28:53
Speaker 3: gonna have your Drake may to me. Matt Stafford's been
28:56
Speaker 3: the MVP of the National Football League. Mike McDonald's defense
28:59
Speaker 3: held him to one hundred and thirty passing yards. Sam
29:03
Speaker 3: Darnold at two hundred and seventy nine that day. That
29:07
Speaker 3: I mean, that is just that's just working them four
29:10
Speaker 3: hundred and fourteen yards to two hundred and forty nine.
29:13
Speaker 3: We were seven for sixteen on third down, they were
29:16
Speaker 3: two for eleven. I mean, those statistics said that we
29:19
Speaker 3: should Those statistics say that we should have won the
29:22
Speaker 3: game by fourteen to fifteen points, yeah, against the Los
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Speaker 3: Angeles Rams, and yet we lost by two. That was
29:28
Speaker 3: the Sam Donald interception game. That was for interceptions. That's
29:33
Speaker 3: the cliche that we're not allowed to use on Fridays
29:35
Speaker 3: when we preview a game that, no matter how well
29:39
Speaker 3: it might go, if you lose a turnover battle four
29:42
Speaker 3: to one against a good team that is well coached,
29:45
Speaker 3: you're probably going to lose that football game, no matter
29:48
Speaker 3: how much better that you play than them. But the
29:51
Speaker 3: numbers all suggest that on the road, the Seahawks were
29:54
Speaker 3: the better team that day. The difference is that the
29:56
Speaker 3: Rams came away with the victory. And so you know,
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Speaker 3: here we sent with a chance for a little bit
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Speaker 3: of revenge. I realized that weather is going to play
30:03
Speaker 3: a factor and that that could, you know, certainly alter
30:07
Speaker 3: the game, may lead to even more turnovers from Sam Donald.
30:10
Speaker 3: But I'm just gonna say it, this is reckless at breakfast, right,
30:13
Speaker 3: we don't lose the turnover battle. We are winning this
30:15
Speaker 3: game tomorrow and we are winning.
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Speaker 6: The NFC West.
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Speaker 1: Well, there's a good chance. I mean, obviously you can't
30:21
Speaker 1: do it the way that you did last game. And
30:23
Speaker 1: I wouldn't expect that to be the case. I wouldn't
30:25
Speaker 1: expect Sam Donald to turn it over four times.
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Speaker 6: And yeah, I think that you're right there.
30:31
Speaker 1: I mean, I think on any given day, I think
30:33
Speaker 1: either one of these teams, this is one of those
30:34
Speaker 1: coin flips to me of which team's gonna win. Now,
30:37
Speaker 1: you got to go out ex execute game plan. You
30:40
Speaker 1: obviously can't be giving them, you know. I think what
30:42
Speaker 1: it was the first interception ended up where they ran
30:44
Speaker 1: it back to the three yard line. I mean, so
30:46
Speaker 1: that was an immediate advantage Rams right there, And like
30:50
Speaker 1: you said, when you come out on the end and
30:52
Speaker 1: you're just lost by two, you can find one or
30:55
Speaker 1: two plays, just two of those interceptions, and you're you're
30:58
Speaker 1: probably going to end up winning that ball game because
31:01
Speaker 1: two of them gave him a short field that they
31:03
Speaker 1: ended up scoring touchdowns on. So I think that, yeah,
31:06
Speaker 1: you go out there and play the game if everything
31:08
Speaker 1: was the same, right like, you play the same game
31:10
Speaker 1: you played last time, they played the same game they played.
31:13
Speaker 1: You just don't turn it over four times. You can
31:16
Speaker 1: still cough it up once possibly or twice. You end
31:19
Speaker 1: up winning that ball game. That said is both teams
31:21
Speaker 1: are going to make the adjustments. This is the beauty
31:23
Speaker 1: of it to me, is that they hired Mike McDonald
31:26
Speaker 1: to figure out the Sean McVay thing and the Shanahan thing.
31:30
Speaker 1: He seems like he did it last game, just didn't
31:33
Speaker 1: come out on the winning edge of it.
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Speaker 6: Now you got to figure out a way to come
31:35
Speaker 6: out on the win too.
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Speaker 5: And that's the one thing that we heard so many
31:38
Speaker 5: times after that loss, right is, oh, if only they
31:40
Speaker 5: would have turned it over only three times, like they
31:43
Speaker 5: really would have had, they probably would have won the game.
31:46
Speaker 5: If they would have only had three turnovers, and so
31:48
Speaker 5: I do agree it's it'll be interesting to see just
31:52
Speaker 5: how well Sam can perform and how much weather is
31:55
Speaker 5: a factor and all.
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Speaker 3: I'm perfectly willing to lose a turnover battle every single
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Speaker 3: week by one turnover if it means that my quarterback
32:05
Speaker 3: is playing confidently and is dropping back and zipping the ball.
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Speaker 5: And it sure seemed like he wasn't that first game.
32:12
Speaker 3: And look, as many turnovers as Sam Donald has committed
32:16
Speaker 3: this year, I don't want to trade the way that
32:18
Speaker 3: he's played to get those turnovers back. I just don't.
32:22
Speaker 3: I think that it's been a far We've benefited far
32:26
Speaker 3: more in Seattle from Sam Donald's aggressive play than what
32:30
Speaker 3: we've been hurt by it. On that particular day, there
32:33
Speaker 3: was no getting around it. Sam Donald cost the Seahawks
32:36
Speaker 3: the game against the Los Angeles Rams because it was
32:39
Speaker 3: minus three. Yeah, I mean, there wasn't a time where
32:43
Speaker 3: I mean, certainly Mike Holgrin tried to rein in Brett Farvre.
32:47
Speaker 3: We don't want to lose the turnover battle by two
32:50
Speaker 3: turnovers or more every game because you've decided to go
32:54
Speaker 3: out here and think you can throw passes through brick
32:57
Speaker 3: walls and have them come out on the other side.
32:59
Speaker 3: In Sterling Sharp's hands. He had to rein that in,
33:02
Speaker 3: but he never reined it into the point that he
33:05
Speaker 3: wanted to take the fire out of the stallion. And that,
33:08
Speaker 3: to me is what we're dealing with with Sam Donald.
33:12
Speaker 3: You can't lose the turnover battle by minus three. You
33:16
Speaker 3: can't turn the ball over four times against quality teams.
33:19
Speaker 3: You can't even turn the ball over four times against
33:21
Speaker 3: bad teams in this league. And yet I don't want
33:25
Speaker 3: you to change the thing. You play the way that
33:27
Speaker 3: you've been playing, because I think we're going to benefit
33:30
Speaker 3: a lot more from aggressive Sam Donald even living with
33:34
Speaker 3: a turnover or two tomorrow night, than we are if
33:38
Speaker 3: he comes out and we just try to establish the
33:40
Speaker 3: run all day and Sam plays a game where he's
33:43
Speaker 3: trying to avoid interceptions.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want him play and scared. I
33:46
Speaker 1: agree with you on that. I think not all turnovers
33:48
Speaker 1: are created the same, right. You can't don't be going
33:51
Speaker 1: down there and doing what we watched Gino do the
33:53
Speaker 1: last couple of years, which is when you got points
33:55
Speaker 1: on the board, throwing you know, erratic passes or una
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Speaker 1: passes and don't do it when you're backed up against
34:02
Speaker 1: your own goal line where all of a sudden they
34:04
Speaker 1: have a three yards to score a touchdown or they
34:06
Speaker 1: get the ball to twenty five.
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Speaker 6: That's going to equate to trouble too.
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Speaker 1: But you still want to be that gunslinger and then
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Speaker 1: understand when is the time that you just can't be
34:13
Speaker 1: the gunslinger?
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Speaker 3: All right? Coming up next, if this is a win tomorrow,
34:18
Speaker 3: I was asked this question yesterday on our airwaves. Does
34:21
Speaker 3: that mean it's a super Bowl or bust season for
34:24
Speaker 3: the Seahawks. We'll discuss it on Chucking Box Sports Radio
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