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Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America, I'm Jon Favreau I'm Dan
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Speaker 1: Pfeiffer On today's show, Donald Trump says the only limit
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Speaker 1: on his power isn't international law, but his own morality
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Speaker 1: Womp womp Sleep well He's also thinking about paying off
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Speaker 1: the people of Greenland to join the United States. Little carrot,
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Speaker 1: little stick. You know, maybe we won't invade you. We'll
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Speaker 1: just give you some money. We'll also talk about how
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Speaker 1: Republicans in Congress are starting to assert themselves just a
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Speaker 1: little bit in passing a new war powers resolution with
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Speaker 1: Democrats and joining Democrats in extending the ACA subsidies, at
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Speaker 1: least in the House so far. Then Zoran Mamdani talks
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Speaker 1: to Tommy about the new deal he struck on universal
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Speaker 1: childcare in New York. And Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry talks
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Speaker 1: to Dan about the horrific ice shooting in his city.
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Speaker 1: So let's start there. And I will try to do
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Speaker 1: this without yelling or crying. By now you've heard about
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Speaker 1: the killing of Renee Good, a 37-year-old mother of three
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Speaker 1: who was shot to death in her car by an
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Speaker 1: ice officer as she was on the way home from
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Speaker 1: dropping off her six-year-old at school. Her family says she
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Speaker 1: wasn't an activist, though others who knew her say she
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Speaker 1: was part of a local group that warns people when
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Speaker 1: ICE shows up. Either way, at some point, Good came
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Speaker 1: across several ICE officers. And this is where everyone's relying
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Speaker 1: on eyewitness videos that are all over social media, though
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Speaker 1: many have been verified by media outlets. What you can
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Speaker 1: see for sure is that Good's car is blocking a
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Speaker 1: residential street. Then the car moves forward a bit. Then
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Speaker 1: she stops and waves by other drivers who are trying
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Speaker 1: to pass. Then more ICE agents show up in a truck,
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Speaker 1: get out, and according to an eyewitness, one told her
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Speaker 1: to leave and two others told her to get out
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Speaker 1: of the car. One agent walks around the car to
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Speaker 1: the front while filming the encounter on his phone, and
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Speaker 1: then another tries to open her car door. At that point,
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Speaker 1: she reverses the car, and you can see the wheels
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Speaker 1: turn away from the officer's as she tries to get away.
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Speaker 1: This is when the agent filming the encounter, who is
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Speaker 1: now in front of the vehicle, yells stop, grabs his
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Speaker 1: gun with his free hand, shoots her once through the
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Speaker 1: front windshield, and then two more times, point blank, into
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Speaker 1: the driver's side window. The agent then walks away unharmed,
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Speaker 1: and I would encourage everyone to watch the really well
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Speaker 1: done New York Times analysis of the videos, which we
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Speaker 1: will put in the show notes. Now, the ICE agent,
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Speaker 1: claims he shot her in self-defense because he thought the
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Speaker 1: vehicle was going to run him over. The Times analysis
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Speaker 1: shows that his feet are clearly away from the vehicle
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Speaker 1: when he takes the first shot. But regardless of what
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Speaker 1: you think, looking at the videos, in a normal world,
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Speaker 1: law enforcement and government officials of either party would simply
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Speaker 1: say there will be an investigation into this tragic incident
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Speaker 1: that they don't want to prejudge. And in fact, that's what, uh,
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Speaker 1: Trump borders are Tom Homan of all people said in
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Speaker 1: an interview, uh, before later he, uh, you know, had
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Speaker 1: to put out a statement, uh, that sort of walked
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Speaker 1: it back. Cause I'm sure the administration pressured him to, um,
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Speaker 1: because that's not what Trump said. That's not what Kristi
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Speaker 1: Noem said. And it's certainly not what the vice president
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Speaker 1: of the United States said, uh, who came out to
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Speaker 1: the white house briefing room on Thursday. to throw a
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Speaker 1: bitchy little tantrum.
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Speaker 4: That woman is part of a broader left-wing network to attack,
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Speaker 4: to dox, to assault and to make it impossible for
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Speaker 4: our ICE officers to do their job. Everybody who's been
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Speaker 4: repeating the lie that this is some innocent woman who
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Speaker 4: was out for a drive in Minneapolis when a law
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Speaker 4: enforcement officer shot at her, you should be ashamed of yourself.
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Speaker 1: This is classic terrorism.
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Speaker 4: You guys are meant to report the truth How have
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Speaker 4: you let yourself become agents of propaganda of a radical
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Speaker 4: fringe that's making it harder for us to enforce our law?
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Speaker 4: She tried to run somebody over with her car and
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Speaker 4: the guy defended himself when that happened.
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Speaker 1: Next question.
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Speaker 4: There's a part of me that feels very, very sad
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Speaker 4: for this woman, not just because she lost her life,
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Speaker 4: but because I think she is a victim of left-wing ideology.
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Speaker 4: I would appreciate everybody saying a prayer for that agent.
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Speaker 4: He deserves a debt of gratitude and I think the
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Speaker 4: media prejudging and talking about this guy as if he's
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Speaker 4: a murderer, is one of the most disgraceful things I've
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Speaker 4: ever seen for the American media.
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Speaker 1: He deserves a debt of gratitude, a man who no
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Speaker 1: one disputes, shot a woman three times, twice at close range.
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Speaker 1: Keep in mind, earlier on Thursday, Vance tweeted that Rene
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Speaker 1: Good was a, quote, deranged leftist. Just imagine what J.D.
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Speaker 1: Vance would have said or done about a Democratic politician
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Speaker 1: who called Charlie Kirk deranged. the day after he was assassinated.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Any reaction to what I thought was one of the
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Speaker 1: most despicable performances by a Trump official, maybe ever?
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Speaker 3: You said you were going to do this without crying
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Speaker 3: or yelling. I cannot make those promises. It was in
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Speaker 3: the 10 years since Trump came down the escalator, that
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Speaker 3: might be the most angry, infuriated, disgusted I've been at
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Speaker 3: something a Trump official, including not Trump himself, has done
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Speaker 3: or said. in this time.
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Speaker 4: J.D.
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Speaker 3: Vance is disgusting. He lies with such ease, with such
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Speaker 3: little compunction. He is unburdened by decency, morality, shame, any
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Speaker 3: concern about possibly, by the truth. He does it with
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Speaker 3: confidence and arrogance. And even more infuriatingly, he does it well.
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Speaker 3: He's a sophist in the truest sense of the word.
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Speaker 3: He can make any argument sound clever, at least on
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Speaker 3: the surface.
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Speaker 5: And it's truly, truly just to have such little humanity
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Speaker 5: after someone was killed, regardless of what you think actually
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Speaker 5: happened there. And if you want to make the argument
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Speaker 5: this officer legitimately thought they were shooting us on defense,
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Speaker 5: that's not an argument borne out by the evidence that
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Speaker 5: I've seen. But even if you were to take that
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Speaker 5: point to just dismiss this person, to call them a
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Speaker 5: deranged leftist, a domestic terrorist, part of some shadowy left-wing group,
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Speaker 5: which J.D. Vance said in that press conference should be
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Speaker 5: investigated by the Department of Justice, without any evidence. And
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Speaker 5: the thing that makes me so angry about it, and
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Speaker 5: this is true of J.D. Vance, Kristi Noem, Donald Trump,
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Speaker 5: Stephen Miller, is that they lie with no fear of
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Speaker 5: getting caught. Because they believe that even if evidence comes out,
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Speaker 5: video evidence, documentary evidence, circumstantial evidence that says what they
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Speaker 5: said was wrong, they can just blow right through it
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Speaker 5: and bend reality to their will without a care in
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Speaker 5: the fucking world.
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Speaker 1: It is, um, uh, yeah, I've, I've re I was
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Speaker 1: shaking with anger watching it because, um, and you know,
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Speaker 1: he's been tweeting a bunch of shit about it. So
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Speaker 1: I sort of knew it was coming, but the way
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Speaker 1: he did it and just sort of the anger and
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Speaker 1: smugness from him, I just want to add a few
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Speaker 1: things that the vice president neglected to mention. Here's the
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Speaker 1: government's use of force policy that applies to DHS. I'll
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Speaker 1: quote from it. Which is an option. that that agent took.
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Speaker 1: He moved out of the path of the vehicle, which
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Speaker 1: is why his feet weren't run over by the car,
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Speaker 1: which is why he's standing there afterwards, which is why
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Speaker 1: both of his feet are on the ground and not
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Speaker 1: near the car when he's firing the shots, which is
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Speaker 1: why he walked away unharmed, even though they're like, oh,
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Speaker 1: he went to the hospital and was treated for his injuries.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure they made him go to the hospital. He
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Speaker 1: didn't have any fucking injuries. He was walking around fine.
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Speaker 1: Crooked's D.C. correspondent Matt Berg talked to a former FBI
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Speaker 1: investigator about this policy who said this, quote, in prior administrations,
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Speaker 1: this shooting would have been entirely outside the scope of
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Speaker 1: the use of force policy and would have been unjustified.
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Speaker 1: Multiple current DHS officials also expressed, quote, shock to CNN over...
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Speaker 1: the department's response so far. These are current DHS officials
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Speaker 1: telling CNN they cannot believe that so many administration officials
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Speaker 1: are prejudging the outcome of an investigation. And that's what's really,
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Speaker 1: I think that is what has shocked me, angered me
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Speaker 1: more than almost anything else. Like, It is a fucking
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Speaker 1: tragedy that this happened. I have watched all the videos,
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Speaker 1: but like it shouldn't be up to the public piecing
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Speaker 1: together and the media piecing together all these different eyewitness
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Speaker 1: videos and then trying to have an argument about who
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Speaker 1: did what. That's what investigations are supposed to be for.
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Speaker 1: That's what the legal system is supposed to be for.
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Speaker 1: But we are all left to do that now because
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Speaker 1: this administration has decided they don't give a fuck about
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Speaker 1: the legal system in this country, that they are above
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Speaker 1: the law, that they are above accountability. And so the
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Speaker 1: rest of us are left trying to piece together fucking
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Speaker 1: videos and have arguments online with, you know, right-wing assholes
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Speaker 1: about who saw what in a video. And clearly, that's
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Speaker 1: what J.D. Vance was doing. J.D. Vance doesn't care about
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Speaker 1: the actual fucking investigation.
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Speaker 4: J.D.
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Speaker 1: Vance's head is in his fucking Twitter feed all day long.
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Speaker 1: And I see the people he follows. I follow a
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Speaker 1: lot of those people on MAGA Media too. Where that
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Speaker 1: came from, that press conference that he gave, was from
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Speaker 1: all of the shit that's been on right-wing media. They're
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Speaker 1: all saying the same things as him. They're worse than him,
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Speaker 1: in fact. But that is his only source of information.
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Speaker 1: And that is why he is so outraged. Because ironically,
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Speaker 1: as he's talking about, I do feel sad that that
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Speaker 1: woman was brainwashed. He's the one who's fucking brainwashed by
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Speaker 1: his algorithm because he's just parroting all the fucking bullshit
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Speaker 1: that's already been debunked by a whole bunch of other
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Speaker 1: people who actually know the facts.
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Speaker 3: See, I disagree with that. I do not think he's brainwashed.
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Speaker 3: I don't think that he is a victim of a
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Speaker 3: toxic media ecosystem that he stumbled backwards into. That information
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Speaker 3: ecosystem that he, that those tweets he's seeing, he is
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Speaker 3: then using that as data to make a decision about
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Speaker 3: what is best for his personal ambitions. And that the
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Speaker 3: way to get support, approbation, enthusiasm as he seeks power
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Speaker 3: in this country is to make those people happy. So
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Speaker 3: he did, this was a performance for them. I think
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Speaker 3: if they've said the opposite, he'd do the opposite.
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Speaker 1: I think this is giving him too much credit. I
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Speaker 1: think he actually hates immigrants. I think he actually hates leftists.
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Speaker 1: I think he actually wants to see us all in jail.
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Speaker 1: And I think he actually wants to see them all
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Speaker 1: out of the country. And I think he actually thinks
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Speaker 1: that this woman, as tragic as it was, deserved it.
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Speaker 3: I don't think he's a good person pretending to be
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Speaker 3: a bad person for power. I think he's a person
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Speaker 3: who changes on a dime. He is the vice president
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Speaker 3: to a man he called Hitler six years, eight years
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Speaker 3: ago or whatever, 10 years ago.
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Speaker 1: He blurted out that his best friend in the White
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Speaker 1: House and the person he'd most want to be on
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Speaker 1: a flight across the country with is Stephen Miller.
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Speaker 3: That is the greatest lie ever told. But that's because
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Speaker 3: that's good for him to say that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know. I think it's true. I think
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Speaker 1: this is... Anyway, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what's
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Speaker 1: in his head. It's disgusting what he said. This is also,
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Speaker 1: by the way, and the reason that you can't fucking
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Speaker 1: take ICE's word for it or... DHS or JD Vance
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Speaker 1: or the federal government. This is not the first time
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Speaker 1: that ICE has shot someone or killed someone and lied
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Speaker 1: about it and then was caught later lying about it.
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Speaker 1: But the entire media had moved on at that point.
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Speaker 1: And so you have to go back and like, you know,
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Speaker 1: there's some story that pops up. Oh, DHS was lying. And, uh,
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Speaker 1: and then no one cares. So in fact, this is
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Speaker 1: the ninth time ICE has shot someone since September and
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Speaker 1: And it's the second person they've killed. First person they
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Speaker 1: killed was a man named Silvero Gonzalez. He's a 38-year-old
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Speaker 1: undocumented father of two who DHS claimed tried to drive
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Speaker 1: his car into agents and then dragged one agent causing, quote,
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Speaker 1: severe injuries. Then surveillance video comes out. Shows that Gonzalez
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Speaker 1: was actually just trying to back up and drive away.
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Speaker 1: And that the agent was caught on video saying that
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Speaker 1: his injuries were No big deal. Nothing major. This was
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Speaker 1: in Chicago. This was during the Midway Blitz. DHS also
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Speaker 1: got caught lying about their shooting of Miramar Martinez. That's
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Speaker 1: another U.S.
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Speaker 6: Citizen.
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Speaker 1: They originally claimed she ran their cars and threatened them
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Speaker 1: with a semi-automatic weapon, which forced them to shoot her,
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Speaker 1: and that she was then totally fine and drove herself
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Speaker 1: to the hospital. Turns out, when all the facts came
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Speaker 1: out and all the body cam footage came out, she
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Speaker 1: didn't have a gun. She didn't threaten them. She was
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Speaker 1: taken by ambulance to the hospital, and the body cam
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Speaker 1: footage shows the officer saying, do something, bitch, before opening fire.
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Speaker 1: And when that came out, all the charges against her
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Speaker 1: were dropped. Was anyone held accountable? No, they weren't. Was
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Speaker 1: there a big media uproar? No, there wasn't. There was
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Speaker 1: a couple stories about it. And, you know, if you're wondering, well,
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Speaker 1: why didn't this woman just get out of the car?
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Speaker 1: Why did she stop? Or why did she try to
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Speaker 1: drive away? She's putting the whole thing in danger, all
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Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. I interviewed George Redis, who we
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Speaker 1: remember is the US citizen veteran who was yanked from
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Speaker 1: his car in Camarillo here in just north of LA
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Speaker 1: and imprisoned for three days without access to a lawyer
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Speaker 1: or due process before they realized that they had fucked
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Speaker 1: up or didn't realize it. Maybe they realized it before
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Speaker 1: and then just decided to let George go. And when
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Speaker 1: he tells his story, and of course you can see
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Speaker 1: this on video footage as well, he basically says the
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Speaker 1: same thing as what might've happened to Renee good, or
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Speaker 1: at least according to one eyewitness, which is that one
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Speaker 1: DHS agent, one ice officer is telling you to get
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Speaker 1: the fuck out of the car. The other one's telling
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Speaker 1: you to drive away. So you become confused. You can
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Speaker 1: see a bunch of masked agents with guns all around
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Speaker 1: you telling you different things. You're in a car. What
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Speaker 1: the fuck are you supposed to do?
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Speaker 6: Right.
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Speaker 1: And so like, I, I just, I'm, I am not,
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Speaker 1: not a lot shocks me. I am shocked by just
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Speaker 1: how the administration has handled this when they, they could
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Speaker 1: have so easily, it could have so easily been like,
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Speaker 1: we believe, you know, we have our own opinions. We
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Speaker 1: think that I was self-defense, but we'll let the investigation
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Speaker 1: play out. But they're like doubling and tripling down, which
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Speaker 1: I guess is what they do. It's like never, no
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Speaker 1: apologies from the Trump administration ever. But I also think
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Speaker 1: it's a signal to everyone that like, we're going to
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Speaker 1: do whatever the fuck we want. We have the guns,
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Speaker 1: we have the legal system and the rest of you
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Speaker 1: can fuck off.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: They can never admit fault, particularly when it comes to ICE.
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Speaker 3: To ever suggest one single time that one single ICE
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Speaker 3: agent did one single wrong thing is in their minds
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Speaker 3: to– would collapse the whole effort, which is an absurd
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Speaker 3: way to think about it, but that is how they
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Speaker 3: think about it. So they can never do it. It's
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Speaker 3: just the opposite of the way– it's so unserious, I guess,
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Speaker 3: is the way I'd say it. Deadly unserious, I guess,
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Speaker 3: is how I would describe this administration because it just–
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Speaker 3: You're responsible for these people. You're responsible for what happens.
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Speaker 3: You're responsible for the citizens, the residents, the people in
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Speaker 3: the United States who interact with ICE agents, and you
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Speaker 3: do not care what actually happened. You just have to
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Speaker 3: prove yourself to be right even when you're wrong, no
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Speaker 3: matter what the evidence says. It's such unserious, ridiculous behavior,
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Speaker 3: but it comes with life or death consequences, as it
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Speaker 3: did this week in Minneapolis.
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Speaker 1: And they always... They do this whenever it's an undocumented immigrant.
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Speaker 1: It's an alien. It's a criminal alien. It's a violent alien.
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Speaker 1: And now, you know, they can't do that because it's
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Speaker 1: an American citizen. It's this, you know, mom of three.
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Speaker 3: But she's a domestic terrorist.
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Speaker 1: Right, mom of three. So they have to say domestic terrorist,
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Speaker 1: deranged leftist. It's so important that they link her to
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Speaker 1: an activist group. Who the fuck cares if she's an
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Speaker 1: activist or not? She was a mother dropping her kid
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Speaker 1: off at school who is now an orphan because the
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Speaker 1: child's father had died a couple years ago as well.
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Speaker 1: So she is a mother dropper. Whether she was also
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Speaker 1: part of an ICE activist group, that doesn't mean you
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Speaker 1: get shot. Not like trying to speed away from a
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Speaker 1: crime doesn't mean that you get fucking shot by police officers.
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Speaker 3: In fact, you're specifically not supposed to shoot them in
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Speaker 3: that case. Like that is the procedure, as you said.
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Speaker 1: The number of fucking people who are just not, they're
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Speaker 1: not just online influencers. They are Republican politicians. who think
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Speaker 1: that if you disobey a police officer, that if you
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Speaker 1: drive away, that if you block a driveway, if you protest,
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Speaker 1: if you're an activist, that that should get you shot
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Speaker 1: and killed? That's not the fucking law. But they don't
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Speaker 1: think that we live in a country of laws anymore.
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Speaker 1: They think that power is the only thing that matters.
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Speaker 1: They have power. No one else does. Fuck the laws.
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Speaker 1: We get to do what we want. That is how
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Speaker 1: they're governed.
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Speaker 3: All these things are connected. When I was listening to
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Speaker 3: the interview with Mark Kelly from the pod earlier this week,
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Speaker 3: that's exactly it. He said something you don't like, so
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Speaker 3: you disagree with the state, if you disagree with the regime,
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Speaker 1: The Hennepin County Attorney's Office thinks that they can maybe
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Speaker 1: still charge this officer, though we'll see, you know, the
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Speaker 1: feds believe that he has immunity. And from talking to
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Speaker 1: George Redis, who's trying to even just sue federal agents,
19:28
Speaker 1: it is tough the way that the law is right now.
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Speaker 1: This is a problem that federal agents have a lot
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Speaker 1: of immunity from both criminal and civil charges. But we'll
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Speaker 1: see what happens with the Hennepin County attorney. But I
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Speaker 1: the truth is going to come out. And then these
19:51
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Speaker 1: Kilmer Abrego Garcia, when he was like, oh, he's MS
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Speaker 1: 13 terrorist, blah, blah, blah. And we've seen what happens
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Speaker 1: there is this could go to court. All the truth
20:03
Speaker 1: could come out. We could find out that there could be,
20:06
Speaker 1: there could be footage of this woman clearly turning the wheel, saying, please,
20:12
Speaker 1: whatever it may be, and they would still find ways
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Speaker 1: Vance said. They don't care, or they'll just have moved on.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's like you and I have been in government.
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Speaker 3: Things happen, and you know what you want the answer
20:26
Speaker 3: to be, right? But then you don't go out and
20:29
Speaker 3: say it right away for fear that you don't know everything,
20:32
Speaker 3: and therefore something could come out that could contradict what
20:34
Speaker 3: you said, and therefore you have burned credibility.
20:37
Speaker 1: You have been.
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Speaker 3: Even if not intentionally, you will be portrayed as being
20:41
Speaker 3: dishonest to the American people. They do not care about it.
20:44
Speaker 3: They didn't have any of the facts. In fact, most
20:46
Speaker 3: of the things that Kristi Noem said were disproven by
20:49
Speaker 3: the video. Like she, I don't probably assume had not
20:51
Speaker 3: even seen the video, just heard a second or third
20:54
Speaker 3: hand report of what happened, immediately reflexively said all the
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Speaker 3: talking points that they say every time something like this
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Speaker 3: happens and feel like they suffer no penalty for lying.
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Speaker 1: And now they just, the ease with which they throw
21:07
Speaker 1: around the term domestic terrorism is Democrats are domestic terrorists.
21:10
Speaker 1: The party is domestic extremists. This woman's a domestic terrorist.
21:14
Speaker 1: Like just labeling people domestic terrorists. And, and Christine yesterday saying, Oh,
21:18
Speaker 1: I'm going to get the DOJ to charge, bring domestic
21:21
Speaker 1: terrorism charges. There are no domestic terrorism charges. It's not
21:23
Speaker 1: a statute. First of all, you dumb shit. Um, but
21:26
Speaker 1: like there's the ease with which they lie and they
21:29
Speaker 1: don't care. They just don't care. They don't care because
21:32
Speaker 1: you're right. Like they don't think they're going to get
21:33
Speaker 1: caught or they do think they're going to get caught,
21:34
Speaker 1: but then they think, yeah, catch me lying. What would,
21:37
Speaker 1: what's going to happen?
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Speaker 2: Nothing.
21:39
Speaker 1: Because I have all the power and I have the guns.
21:41
Speaker 1: So obviously we're hearing a very different story from elected
21:45
Speaker 1: leaders in Minnesota who've been very outspoken about this tragedy,
21:48
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is the mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Fry. Mayor,
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Speaker 3: welcome to Pod Save America.
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Speaker 7: Thanks for having me, Dan.
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Speaker 3: So earlier today, Vice President J.D. Vance referred to Renee Good,
24:46
Speaker 3: the 37-year-old woman who was killed by ICE agents yesterday
24:49
Speaker 3: as a deranged leftist, said that she was there to
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Speaker 3: obstruct law enforcement, suggested she might be part of some
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Speaker 3: sort of left-wing network that the Department of Justice should investigate.
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Speaker 3: What can you tell me about her, why she might
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Speaker 3: have been there, and what happened on that day?
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Speaker 7: I don't know a lot about her. What I do
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Speaker 7: know is that she's a victim and doesn't appear to
25:11
Speaker 7: having doing anything wrong. She went through a two to
25:15
Speaker 7: three point turn, clearly trying to leave the vicinity where
25:18
Speaker 7: the ice agents were located. And you've got this narrative
25:23
Speaker 7: that is coming out of this Trump administration that is
25:25
Speaker 7: immediately saying one, that the ice agents were acting in
25:28
Speaker 7: self-defense and two, that the victim was a domestic terrorist, uh,
25:35
Speaker 7: that's a load of bullshit. Anybody who watches that video
25:39
Speaker 7: could come to that conclusion. You don't need a law degree.
25:43
Speaker 7: And to the extent they're trying to cover up the
25:46
Speaker 7: actions that we all knew were inevitable, I find disgusting because,
25:52
Speaker 7: you know, the chief and I have been saying now
25:54
Speaker 7: for over a month, not just privately, but very publicly
25:57
Speaker 7: that something like this was going to happen. Either a
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Speaker 7: civilian resident police officer or an ICE agent was going
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Speaker 7: to get badly, injured, or even killed. And tragically, the
26:09
Speaker 7: latter of those two conclusions happened, and it should have
26:12
Speaker 7: never taken place.
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Speaker 3: You told ICE to get the fuck out of your city.
26:16
Speaker 3: They don't seem to be going anywhere, obviously. What levers
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Speaker 3: do you have to pull, or what can you do
26:21
Speaker 3: to try to protect your citizens from what's going on here?
26:24
Speaker 3: Is it just giving them sort of advice about how
26:26
Speaker 3: to stay out of the way? Obviously, you want to
26:29
Speaker 3: protect your citizens. You have this, what you believe to
26:31
Speaker 3: be a very dangerous element in your city. What do
26:33
Speaker 3: you do?
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Speaker 7: Obviously, if I had the immediate authority to get ICE
26:37
Speaker 7: out of here, they would have never been here to
26:39
Speaker 7: begin with. The way they are behaving is completely and
26:43
Speaker 7: utterly unconstitutional. And what is clear to me is that
26:47
Speaker 7: the Trump administration is looking for some excuse to cause
26:52
Speaker 7: additional chaos and deploy even more chaos. military force in
26:58
Speaker 7: our city. I mean, right now, as far as I'm aware,
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Speaker 7: we've got somewhere in the range of 2,270 agents in
27:05
Speaker 7: some form. That's ICE, that's HSI, that's border control, and
27:11
Speaker 7: they're located in the region beyond Minneapolis as well. But
27:16
Speaker 7: there's no doubt in my mind that they're looking to
27:18
Speaker 7: have some form of political performance that goes well beyond
27:22
Speaker 7: where we're at.
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Speaker 1: In this moment.
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Speaker 7: And so the message that we are putting out, and
27:27
Speaker 7: by the way, the message that our community is righteously
27:32
Speaker 7: reiterating again and again, is that we are not going
27:35
Speaker 7: to take the bait. We are going to keep the peace.
27:40
Speaker 7: We're going to demand justice. We're, of course, going to
27:43
Speaker 7: express First Amendment rights and freedom of speech and protest
27:47
Speaker 7: and all the rest. But we're not going to give
27:49
Speaker 7: them the bullshit excuse that they're already trying to create
27:53
Speaker 7: to come into our city. There's no doubt in my
27:56
Speaker 7: mind that the reason that ICE is here is not
27:59
Speaker 7: about safety. It's not about driving down crime. Here's the thing.
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Speaker 7: We've worked with federal agencies substantially in the past to
28:08
Speaker 7: successfully drive down crime. We've worked with the DEA, the ATF,
28:11
Speaker 7: the FBI, the U.S. Attorney's Office, and crime on the
28:15
Speaker 7: North Side specifically and shootings are at the lowest level
28:21
Speaker 7: on record. And so If the goal is to go
28:25
Speaker 7: after murderers, yeah, we're anti-murder. We're all for that. If
28:28
Speaker 7: the goal is to go after violent crime, absolutely count
28:33
Speaker 7: us in. That's not what this is about. This is
28:37
Speaker 7: about targeting specifically Latino and Somali immigrants. This is discriminating
28:42
Speaker 7: only on the basis of are you a Latino or
28:45
Speaker 7: are you a Somali person? And then indiscriminately plucking people
28:49
Speaker 7: off the street thereafter. This is not okay.
28:51
Speaker 3: It's not constitutional.
28:52
Speaker 7: Everybody, Democrat or Republican, should be speaking up loud and
28:55
Speaker 7: clear that this is a threat to the endurance of
28:57
Speaker 7: our republic.
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Speaker 3: Since the shooting, have you had any contact with anyone
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Speaker 3: in the administration, the Secretary Noem, someone from DHS or ISIS?
29:06
Speaker 3: Have they spoken to you or members of your administration?
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Speaker 7: We have been working a number of different channels to
29:13
Speaker 7: try to make inroads to get the point across. Um,
29:17
Speaker 7: we've got correspondence that's going out. Uh, we are, look,
29:22
Speaker 7: pulling any levers that we've got, uh, because look, priority
29:25
Speaker 7: number one is to keep our city safe. Um, priority
29:29
Speaker 7: number one here is to make sure that the residents
29:32
Speaker 7: of our city are able to get through this.
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Speaker 1: We're resilient.
29:37
Speaker 7: We're tough. We've been knocked down seven times. and we'll
29:40
Speaker 7: get back up eight. And we don't need to deal
29:44
Speaker 7: with this kind of chaos that they are very intentionally
29:48
Speaker 7: creating in our city.
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Speaker 3: Speaking of the chaos, people keep describing what's happening on
29:55
Speaker 3: the ground. There is Minneapolis being a tinderbox that everyone's
29:58
Speaker 3: worried about it. School's been canceled for the next two days,
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Speaker 3: I presume, out of fear of some sort of public unrest.
30:03
Speaker 3: How are things actually there? How are you thinking about
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Speaker 3: keeping the peace over the next couple of days here?
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Speaker 7: Look, we're keeping the peace. Thus far, the message has
30:13
Speaker 7: been widely received by the community that, hey, if you
30:17
Speaker 7: want to, and I know they do want to stand
30:20
Speaker 7: up and protect the Our immigrant communities here in Minneapolis,
30:24
Speaker 7: let's not give the Trump administration an excuse to deploy
30:27
Speaker 7: more force and individuals. This is importantly not just coming
30:31
Speaker 7: from me. This is coming from activists. This is coming
30:36
Speaker 7: from leftists. This is coming from moderates. This is coming
30:40
Speaker 7: from most people throughout our city speaking with a very
30:44
Speaker 7: common accord here that we owe an obligation to the
30:48
Speaker 7: people that we purport to want to help. And that's
30:51
Speaker 7: those that are being targeted.
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Speaker 3: During his press conference today, which was truly quite a performance, J.D.
30:56
Speaker 3: Vance declared that the officer had, quote unquote, absolute immunity.
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Speaker 3: And there are also reports that the Department of Homeland
31:02
Speaker 3: Security and the FBI are refusing to cooperate with at
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Speaker 3: least state law enforcement officials. What's your reaction to that?
31:09
Speaker 3: And any sense you have about the ability of the
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Speaker 3: state or the county or the city to investigate and
31:15
Speaker 3: potentially seek justice here?
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Speaker 7: So ICE agents have absolute immunity. I have not heard
31:21
Speaker 7: this one yet.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what he declared today.
31:24
Speaker 7: Isn't that guy a lawyer?
31:24
Speaker 3: Yale Law School graduate.
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Speaker 6: He is, yes.
31:29
Speaker 7: Good Lord. I had a lot of respect and I
31:32
Speaker 7: hopefully still do for those Yale grads. I don't think
31:34
Speaker 7: I could have gotten in there, but that is comical.
31:38
Speaker 7: You don't get absolute immunity by way of being a
31:42
Speaker 7: federal employee. Any more you get absolute immunity being a
31:46
Speaker 7: city employee. That's some wild stuff, man. And yeah, obviously,
31:52
Speaker 7: it's deeply concerning that the DOJ is boxing out the
31:59
Speaker 7: Bureau of Criminal Apprehension in the state of Minnesota from
32:03
Speaker 7: being part of this investigation. The way this was initially
32:05
Speaker 7: presented was that the BCA was going to be working
32:10
Speaker 7: with the DOJ on investigating exactly what happened with no
32:14
Speaker 7: predetermined outcome.
32:15
Speaker 4: You know.
32:16
Speaker 3: And that would be the normal course of business, right?
32:18
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's pretty standard. And by the way, the BCA
32:22
Speaker 7: is not some wild radical group. This is a group of,
32:25
Speaker 7: I think, a lot of police officers and otherwise. I mean,
32:29
Speaker 7: they're going to do an investigation. There have been times
32:32
Speaker 7: in the past where they've come to a conclusion that
32:34
Speaker 7: there was not culpability on the side of the police officer.
32:38
Speaker 7: There's other times where the investigation led to some form
32:41
Speaker 7: of charge. And again, based on truth and facts, not
32:46
Speaker 7: some sort of garbage narrative that's being spun up by
32:49
Speaker 7: the president of the United States. So yeah, to those
32:52
Speaker 7: that are concerned about the legitimacy and the fairness of
32:59
Speaker 7: a Pam Bondi investigation from the DOJ, I'd say that
33:05
Speaker 7: that concern is well-placed.
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Speaker 5: As you sort of think about this and think about
33:08
Speaker 5: everything that's happened, Minnesota and Minneapolis have been in the
33:13
Speaker 5: national conversation with Republicans for a long time. A lot
33:16
Speaker 5: happened in 2020 with George Floyd. Sort of how are
33:18
Speaker 5: you thinking about your city and how you persevere through
33:23
Speaker 5: these sorts of moments?
33:24
Speaker 7: We do not retreat. We don't give up. And here's
33:27
Speaker 7: the thing, our city's coming back. I mean, I know
33:29
Speaker 7: these Republicans out there want to talk about the city
33:32
Speaker 7: as this like wild apocalyptic place, but Look, man, crime
33:35
Speaker 7: is way down. Crime is down in virtually every category,
33:38
Speaker 7: virtually every neighborhood. The economy is coming back. Small businesses
33:42
Speaker 7: are opening. We just got like the best restaurant in
33:45
Speaker 7: the entire world award. It's a spot called Diane's Place
33:49
Speaker 7: just across the river. Ridiculously good, by the way. And
33:52
Speaker 7: so like the cities is rocking along. You know, do
33:55
Speaker 7: we have big city challenges? Of course we do. And
33:59
Speaker 7: at the same time, it's coming back. And here's another thing.
34:03
Speaker 7: I personally as mayor and we collectively as a city
34:08
Speaker 7: have learned a lot in the last five years. I'm
34:11
Speaker 7: not the same mayor as I was in May of 2020.
34:18
Speaker 7: I am not the same person. I have learned lessons
34:21
Speaker 7: that have made me a better mayor and a better leader.
34:25
Speaker 7: And I use those experiences every day, especially during some
34:28
Speaker 7: form of emergency or crisis just like this. And moreover,
34:33
Speaker 7: I know there are countless people in the city that
34:35
Speaker 7: have also learned a lot, have also taken a practice
34:41
Speaker 7: of let's take a beat. Let's figure out what the
34:43
Speaker 7: best strategy is for dealing with this bizarre hellscape that
34:46
Speaker 7: is the federal administration and then figure out how to
34:52
Speaker 7: move on together in unity together. And I think that's
34:56
Speaker 7: a big part of the message that's going out. It's unification.
35:00
Speaker 7: It's putting down. our silly individual grievances that we might have.
35:06
Speaker 7: You know, we're a city of like, I don't know,
35:09
Speaker 7: 85% Democrat or something like that. And it's moving forward
35:13
Speaker 7: to figure out what's the best thing to do for
35:15
Speaker 7: the city as whole. It's loving our country more than
35:18
Speaker 7: our ideology. And I think that's what the entire city
35:21
Speaker 7: is feeling right now as we unify.
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Speaker 3: Well, Mayor, thank you so much for joining us. Good
35:25
Speaker 3: luck in these coming days. We really appreciate you.
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Speaker 7: Thanks for having me. Thanks for the work you're doing.
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Speaker 1: and coverage varies. See MintMobile.com. Okay, so the president just
38:42
Speaker 1: granted an almost two-hour interview about his quest for hemispheric
38:47
Speaker 1: domination to his favorite publication, the New York Times. In
38:51
Speaker 1: the interview, Trump said, quote, I don't need international law,
38:55
Speaker 1: and that he believes the only limits on his power are, quote,
38:58
Speaker 1: my own morality, my own mind, it's the only thing
39:02
Speaker 1: that can stop me.
39:04
Speaker 2: Jesus.
39:05
Speaker 1: Trump also said that the U.S. could be running Venezuela
39:08
Speaker 1: for years, years, and that our government will be, quote,
39:11
Speaker 1: using and taking their oil. He also said that owning
39:15
Speaker 1: Greenland is necessary, quote, because that's what I feel is
39:20
Speaker 1: psychologically needed for success. I think that ownership gives you
39:26
Speaker 1: a thing you can't do with a lease or a treaty.
39:28
Speaker 1: He's like talking about fucking buying a car.
39:31
Speaker 3: I think he's, this is like how the reason, if
39:34
Speaker 3: you rent your house, you can't redo the bathroom. If
39:37
Speaker 3: you own your house, you have full control of redoing
39:39
Speaker 3: the bathroom.
39:41
Speaker 1: And of course he's saying this because the times reporters
39:43
Speaker 1: push him and are like, well, The U.S. already has
39:46
Speaker 1: a military base in Greenland. They have the right. The U.S.
39:49
Speaker 1: under the treaty has the right to open more military bases.
39:51
Speaker 1: Denmark has said, hey, we will do more cooperation with you.
39:54
Speaker 1: You can be more involved in Greenland. We'll do treaties.
39:56
Speaker 1: We'll do economic development, all this kind of stuff. And
40:00
Speaker 1: the Danes are like, why? Why does the U.S. just
40:02
Speaker 1: keep rejecting that and say they want to own it
40:04
Speaker 1: by force because Trump just wants to own it? He
40:06
Speaker 1: doesn't know why, because it makes him feel psychologically good.
40:08
Speaker 3: Some people are renters. Some people are owners. He wants
40:10
Speaker 3: to be an owner.
40:11
Speaker 1: So this all comes as Reuters reports that Trump is
40:14
Speaker 1: considering sending each Greenlander a lump sum of potentially $ 100, 000
40:22
Speaker 1: per person of our tax dollars.
40:25
Speaker 3: See, John, you're missing it. It's not going to be
40:26
Speaker 3: our tax dollars.
40:27
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure it's Venezuelan oil. Venezuelan oil.
40:30
Speaker 6: Right. Yeah.
40:31
Speaker 1: Or I was going to say it's either that or
40:32
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's going to say, oh, the minerals. They've
40:34
Speaker 1: got great minerals in Greenland. We're going to mine the minerals.
40:37
Speaker 1: We're going to sell them, and then we're going to
40:38
Speaker 1: use that to pay the people.
40:39
Speaker 3: Or it's the tariffs. It could be the tariffs.
40:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, get it off the tariff shelf.
40:42
Speaker 3: Tickets from the Trump-Kennedy Center. We don't know where this
40:44
Speaker 3: money is coming from, but it's not going to you.
40:46
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that, American people.
40:48
Speaker 4: Yeah.
40:49
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, if you're in Greenland, you could be getting $ 100, 000,
40:53
Speaker 1: which is going to help make the president feel psychologically successful,
40:56
Speaker 1: I guess. What was your reaction to this fascinating insight
41:00
Speaker 1: into the mind of our greatest geopolitical thinker?
41:04
Speaker 4: Oh, man.
41:06
Speaker 5: Reading the interview and reading all the color around the
41:08
Speaker 5: interview about how Trump acted with these reporters and just
41:11
Speaker 5: watching him over the last several days here is it
41:13
Speaker 5: is very clear that Trump and the people around.
41:14
Speaker 3: Them are drunk on power. They are higher on their
41:17
Speaker 3: own supply. They are so impressed with themselves because of
41:21
Speaker 3: what happened in Venezuela because the Delta Force was able
41:25
Speaker 3: to pull off this pretty astounding mission and have really
41:30
Speaker 3: convinced themselves that all that matters is power. And even
41:34
Speaker 3: if you think that is true, that the US is
41:36
Speaker 3: so powerful, that our military is so strong, that our
41:38
Speaker 3: special operators are so skilled, that we can do almost
41:42
Speaker 3: anything we want, it is such short-term idiotic thinking. These
41:49
Speaker 3: international agreements, these treaties, these international institutions exist for a reason.
41:54
Speaker 3: The rules exist for a reason. They are to protect everyone,
41:57
Speaker 3: not just the United States, not just the U.K. countries, everyone,
42:01
Speaker 3: because it leads to a more stable world. So a
42:04
Speaker 3: The world that Trump envisions in here is might makes right, right?
42:07
Speaker 3: That the strongest countries do whatever they want. And that
42:09
Speaker 3: could benefit the United States in the short term. We
42:11
Speaker 3: could just go take Greenland, right? Like there's this article
42:14
Speaker 3: in The Atlantic that talks to the folks in Denmark.
42:16
Speaker 3: They've already figured out how Trump's going to take Greenland
42:17
Speaker 3: if he doesn't invade it. He's just going to declare
42:19
Speaker 3: on True Social that it's part of the United States
42:22
Speaker 3: and just act accordingly.
42:24
Speaker 1: And that could work. He's going to do to Greenland
42:26
Speaker 1: what he did to the Kennedy Center.
42:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the Institute of Peace or whatever else. He
42:30
Speaker 3: could doge himself to some additional territories. But that That
42:34
Speaker 3: could work in the short term, but in the long term,
42:36
Speaker 3: that's going to make the United States less safe, less secure,
42:39
Speaker 3: because the world is going to be more chaotic. There's
42:41
Speaker 3: going to be more conflict. There's going to be less cooperation,
42:43
Speaker 3: and that is bad for us. The best times for
42:46
Speaker 3: the United States domestically have been the periods of greatest tranquility, right?
42:51
Speaker 3: And so we are in this area of destabilization with
42:56
Speaker 3: China and Russia and everywhere else because we've decided to
42:58
Speaker 3: throw everything overboard so we can get Venezuelan oil and
43:02
Speaker 3: the minerals of Greenland. It's truly idiotic. It's just deciding
43:08
Speaker 3: that because other smart people figured one way out, we're
43:11
Speaker 3: going to do the dumb thing because that must be better.
43:14
Speaker 1: Also, for all the, well, it's good that Maduro's out
43:17
Speaker 1: because he's a bad guy. In the interview, he's talking
43:21
Speaker 1: about Delce Rodriguez, who's Maduro's number two and is now
43:24
Speaker 1: president of Venezuela, interim president of Venezuela. And they're asking
43:28
Speaker 1: about elections and they're asking about her. And he's like, well,
43:30
Speaker 1: she's given us everything we need, oil.
43:33
Speaker 4: Yeah.
43:33
Speaker 1: So- Nothing else. You think he's concerned that anything else
43:37
Speaker 1: is going to change in Venezuela? You think that they
43:39
Speaker 1: are on a path to elections anytime soon? And of course,
43:43
Speaker 1: Marco Rubio is saying, well, obviously you can't do it
43:45
Speaker 1: right away and give it some time, whatever. Trump's talking
43:48
Speaker 1: about years of managing Venezuela and taking their oil. And
43:51
Speaker 1: he also says, oh yeah, we're going to give them
43:53
Speaker 1: some of the money too. I'm sure that's going to
43:55
Speaker 1: get to them. So we are now managing Venezuela. with
44:00
Speaker 1: no end date. He doesn't seem like he wants to
44:03
Speaker 1: put boots on the ground, but he's not ruling it out.
44:06
Speaker 1: And none of the political issues in that country have
44:09
Speaker 1: been solved, to say the least. The repression is still intense,
44:15
Speaker 1: if not more so.
44:15
Speaker 3: And maybe worsened in the last couple days here.
44:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were some reports that maybe they're going to
44:20
Speaker 1: agree to release some political prisoners soon, but we'll see
44:24
Speaker 1: what happens there. I don't know. And then the Greenland
44:26
Speaker 1: thing seems real.
44:28
Speaker 6: Yeah.
44:28
Speaker 1: Like, I would take that very seriously, as some Republicans
44:32
Speaker 1: in Congress are. They were very nervous. A few Republicans
44:35
Speaker 1: in Congress then over the last couple of days have
44:38
Speaker 1: suddenly remembered that they represent an equal branch of government.
44:43
Speaker 1: And they've decided that they're not entirely sure that the
44:46
Speaker 1: sole arbiter of U.S. foreign policy should be Donald Trump's
44:48
Speaker 1: sense of morality. So because there was some jitters about Greenland,
44:53
Speaker 1: Marco Rubio was sent to calm some Republicans who aren't
44:56
Speaker 1: thrilled about the idea. of invading a NATO ally. He
45:01
Speaker 1: insisted that Trump just wants to buy the territory from Denmark,
45:04
Speaker 1: I guess for, you know, $ 100, 000 per person, right? Even
45:08
Speaker 1: though Denmark has already made it clear a billion times
45:11
Speaker 1: that it's not for sale. So I don't know where
45:12
Speaker 1: that goes. Then on Thursday, five Senate Republicans voted along
45:16
Speaker 1: with every Democrat to advance a war powers resolution that
45:20
Speaker 1: would prohibit Trump from taking further military action against Venezuela
45:24
Speaker 1: without congressional authorization. The Republicans were Rand Paul, who co-sponsored
45:29
Speaker 1: the resolution with Tim Kaine, as well as Susan Collins,
45:32
Speaker 1: Lisa Murkowski, Josh Hawley, and Todd Young of Indiana. Trump
45:35
Speaker 1: responded by calling the War Powers Act unconstitutional, blasting these
45:39
Speaker 1: Republicans' stupidity and saying that they should, quote, never be
45:42
Speaker 1: elected to office again.
45:45
Speaker 6: Nice.
45:46
Speaker 1: What did you make of the War Powers vote? Big
45:47
Speaker 1: deal that these Republicans joined Democrats? How much does this
45:50
Speaker 1: matter at all? Who knows?
45:52
Speaker 3: I think it is meaningful in the sense that there
45:55
Speaker 3: is a majority... of Trump skeptical Republicans, true or want
46:04
Speaker 3: to be true America first or isolationists like Josh Hawley
46:07
Speaker 3: and Democrats can get you there. The fact that these
46:11
Speaker 3: people would vote against Trump right in the wake of
46:14
Speaker 3: a quote unquote successful military operation is notable. The other
46:17
Speaker 3: way of looking at it is if you had just
46:19
Speaker 3: a few years ago asked, how do you think Congress
46:21
Speaker 3: would vote on a resolution trying to stop the president
46:25
Speaker 3: from sending troops to Venezuela to protect the U.S. oil
46:28
Speaker 3: interests after a regime change war. You'd think you'd get
46:32
Speaker 3: more than 54 votes for that or 55 votes or
46:34
Speaker 3: whatever it was. The reason it's not super consequential is
46:38
Speaker 3: Maybe it passes the House. Maybe it doesn't. I'm sure
46:41
Speaker 3: there is a majority in the House. People could vote.
46:44
Speaker 1: A huge majority. Fire up another discharge petition.
46:48
Speaker 3: But it's not enough to override Trump's veto under any scenario.
46:52
Speaker 3: I think it is symbolic of something of how far
46:56
Speaker 3: out on a limb Trump is with his new global adventures.
47:00
Speaker 3: It's symbolic of, I think, the growing weakness he has
47:04
Speaker 3: as a lame duck president. with very poor approval ratings,
47:07
Speaker 3: staring down the barrel of losing the House, maybe the Senate.
47:09
Speaker 3: But it doesn't necessarily indicate a real opportunity to hold
47:13
Speaker 3: him accountable or change his policy in the short term.
47:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the ability of Congress to constrain him
47:20
Speaker 1: on these foreign adventures, I mean, just, you know, statutorily,
47:24
Speaker 1: constitutionally is fairly limited, though Congress is the body that
47:30
Speaker 1: declares war that is in the Constitution. Um, but of
47:33
Speaker 1: course we've talked about that, you know, Donald Trump certainly
47:35
Speaker 1: doesn't care. And even the authority that Congress has has
47:38
Speaker 1: been whittled down over the many decades by various presidents. So, um,
47:42
Speaker 1: so that's a challenge. And I think that part of
47:44
Speaker 1: the New York times interview was Donald Trump saying like,
47:47
Speaker 1: I don't say whatever you want Congress. I don't give
47:49
Speaker 1: a fuck.
47:50
Speaker 6: Yeah.
47:51
Speaker 1: Um, you know, he didn't miss and miss an opportunity to, uh,
47:53
Speaker 1: blast the Republicans who voted against him, including Susan Collins, who's,
47:57
Speaker 1: who he very much needs to win reelection again.
48:00
Speaker 3: You shouldn't be putting that truth in an ad, though.
48:02
Speaker 2: I know.
48:03
Speaker 1: I was going to say that probably helps her more
48:04
Speaker 1: than anything else. That's the other thing is some of
48:06
Speaker 1: these Republicans, and we'll talk about this with the ACA,
48:10
Speaker 1: are probably breaking with Donald Trump because they're like, hey,
48:12
Speaker 1: we want to save our own asses here. They don't
48:15
Speaker 1: think it's actually going to constrain them, but it's like
48:16
Speaker 1: a free vote that they can run an ad on.
48:19
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, some Republicans in Congress are finally trying
48:22
Speaker 1: to do something anything about the massive premium hikes that
48:26
Speaker 1: Trump and other Republicans have forced on 20 million Americans
48:30
Speaker 1: who get their health insurance through the Affordable Care Act.
48:32
Speaker 1: On Thursday, 17 Republicans, 17, voted with Democrats in the
48:37
Speaker 1: House to pass a clean three-year extension of the ACA
48:41
Speaker 1: subsidies that expired on December 31st. Over in the Senate,
48:45
Speaker 1: a few other Republicans are close to a deal with
48:47
Speaker 1: Democrats that would extend the subsidies for two years, include
48:51
Speaker 1: income caps for eligibility, require minimum payments, and offer an
48:55
Speaker 1: option to divert your subsidy into a health savings account,
48:59
Speaker 1: if you are an idiot. A sticking point in all
49:01
Speaker 1: of this is the... For all the idiots out there
49:04
Speaker 1: that want to do that. A sticking point in all
49:06
Speaker 1: of this is the Hyde Amendment, which bans federal money
49:08
Speaker 1: from being used for abortions. A lot of ACA plans
49:12
Speaker 1: do cover reproductive care, and even though there are protections
49:16
Speaker 1: in place that are supposed to keep the funding stream separate...
49:19
Speaker 1: How's that for some decent... speak? Uh, some conservatives and
49:22
Speaker 1: other groups are pushing for any subsidy extension to include
49:26
Speaker 1: new high language. Um, bring this up because this seems
49:30
Speaker 1: like the final sticking point here on a deal that
49:33
Speaker 1: seemingly might pass Congress. Um, Trump told a gathering of
49:37
Speaker 1: House Republicans on Tuesday that they need to have some, quote,
49:40
Speaker 1: flexibility on Hyde as part of a broader pitch on
49:42
Speaker 1: trying to take the initiative on health care to avoid
49:45
Speaker 1: getting wiped out in the midterms. Here's a sampling.
49:48
Speaker 6: On health care, it's never been our issue. It should
49:50
Speaker 6: be our issue.
49:51
Speaker 1: You can own health care.
49:54
Speaker 3: Figure it out.
49:55
Speaker 6: Now, you have to be a little flexible on Hyde.
49:58
Speaker 6: You know that.
49:59
Speaker 8: You've got to be a little flexible.
50:00
Speaker 6: You've got to work something. I wish you could explain
50:03
Speaker 6: to me what the hell's going on.
50:06
Speaker 1: With the mind of the public, because we have the
50:09
Speaker 1: right policy.
50:10
Speaker 6: They don't. They have horrible policy. They do stick together.
50:14
Speaker 6: They're violent. They're vicious. You know, they're vicious people.
50:17
Speaker 1: Speaking of clips to put in an ad, what's going
50:20
Speaker 1: on with the mind of the public? You always want
50:23
Speaker 1: to blame the voters, Dan. That's the first rule of politics.
50:27
Speaker 6: Yes.
50:27
Speaker 3: The we're right, the voters are wrong is a message
50:30
Speaker 3: that has truly never failed in the history of American politics.
50:31
Speaker 3: And I think the Republicans should adopt it and run
50:34
Speaker 3: on it.
50:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that message. That's all the way to
50:37
Speaker 1: the midterms. So what do you think's going on here?
50:40
Speaker 1: It seems like Trump has finally come around on what
50:44
Speaker 1: I had expected him to do, and I'm sure you
50:46
Speaker 1: did for like, I don't know, months ago, which is like, okay,
50:50
Speaker 1: why not just take this issue off the table and
50:52
Speaker 1: get the subsidies passed? And finally now, now that we've
50:55
Speaker 1: passed January 1st, now he's suddenly decided that maybe he
51:02
Speaker 1: should get on board here, or do you think he's
51:03
Speaker 1: not really on board?
51:05
Speaker 3: He, he's been very busy, John. He's had a lot
51:07
Speaker 3: on his plate. He's trying to get Greenland.
51:10
Speaker 1: As you said, healthcare is not really his issue usually.
51:12
Speaker 2: Yes.
51:12
Speaker 3: He's, he's got multiple interior design projects going. He's personally
51:16
Speaker 3: sourcing marble for the armrests. Uh, uh, did you, did
51:20
Speaker 3: you see that over the holidays? I know you guys
51:22
Speaker 3: talked about the marble armrest. Did you see, he actually
51:23
Speaker 3: went to the marble store as a photo op.
51:26
Speaker 5: I did not see that. He went specifically looking for it.
51:29
Speaker 5: He went to check out the marble himself.
51:30
Speaker 1: You see the architect today, what the architect is.
51:32
Speaker 3: Going to add a third floor to the, uh, West wing.
51:35
Speaker 1: To the West Wing? Yeah, because the new ballroom is
51:38
Speaker 1: now going to be the same height as the main residence.
51:42
Speaker 1: So then they need the West Wing to be the
51:44
Speaker 1: same height as well. So I guess we're going to add,
51:47
Speaker 1: isn't it a fourth floor? Well, I guess if you're
51:48
Speaker 1: counting the ground floor, the basement.
51:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the basement. There's the first floor.
51:54
Speaker 1: That's where I hung out.
51:57
Speaker 3: There is where your office was. There was where my
51:58
Speaker 3: office was. And then there's the second floor. There's a
52:00
Speaker 3: floor on top of that.
52:01
Speaker 1: Right.
52:03
Speaker 3: So they would add a floor on top of that. Like, honestly,
52:05
Speaker 3: you need more space in the West Wing, but that's
52:07
Speaker 3: neither here nor there.
52:09
Speaker 1: It's getting so close to just looking like Trump Tower.
52:11
Speaker 1: That's where we're going to end up. We did this.
52:15
Speaker 1: We mocked this up for one of the correspondence dinners
52:18
Speaker 1: in like 2011. Yeah. Let's not bring that up today.
52:21
Speaker 3: Small days.
52:26
Speaker 1: Oh, it's the worst.
52:27
Speaker 5: So here's the thing. I think this doesn't seem particularly
52:29
Speaker 5: engaged here. It feels like he had to, that last
52:33
Speaker 5: comment there, the one about the voters being wrong, suggests
52:36
Speaker 5: that he's kind of, that despite all the bravado, he
52:38
Speaker 5: kind of is dialed in, at least to the fact
52:39
Speaker 5: that things aren't looking great, both for him or Republicans.
52:43
Speaker 5: And so maybe he's thinking about that.
52:44
Speaker 6: A little bit.
52:44
Speaker 1: Which is a little surprising.
52:45
Speaker 5: But he's, if he was really dialed in here, he'd
52:47
Speaker 5: bring them all down to the White House. He'd want
52:49
Speaker 5: to broker this deal himself. He's like, he's very half involved, uh,
52:54
Speaker 5: And he doesn't really care. And I really think the
52:56
Speaker 5: Hyde Amendment thing is someone briefed him in the car
52:59
Speaker 5: on the way over that the Hyde Amendment was an issue.
53:01
Speaker 5: I don't think he could probably identify it or what
53:02
Speaker 5: it stands for. I'm sure he spells it H-I-D-E instead
53:05
Speaker 5: of H-Y-D-E. And so he just sort of mentioned it,
53:09
Speaker 5: and he could not answer one single follow-up question on it.
53:13
Speaker 1: I mean, I saw some reporting that Senate Republicans involved
53:18
Speaker 1: in this were privately saying that they're fine letting Hyde go.
53:23
Speaker 1: which seems like, I mean, the Senate Republicans that are
53:26
Speaker 1: trying to do this deal, it seems like, you know,
53:28
Speaker 1: the Susan Collins of the world, I can see that.
53:30
Speaker 1: But it does feel trickier in the House, though now
53:34
Speaker 1: they have 17 Republicans who voted for a clean extension.
53:39
Speaker 1: So maybe this gets done? I can't, if it gets done,
53:42
Speaker 1: I can't see Trump vetoing it. Can you?
53:44
Speaker 3: No, I mean, I guess he did just veto infrastructure
53:47
Speaker 3: bill for Colorado because he's mad about someone in jail
53:52
Speaker 3: and she's mad at Lauren Boebert for the Epstein discharge petition. So,
53:55
Speaker 3: I mean, who knows?
53:56
Speaker 1: She voted for, she was one of the 17 votes
53:58
Speaker 1: for the extension of the ACA.
54:00
Speaker 3: Did she change her vote though? Did she change her vote?
54:02
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know.
54:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
54:03
Speaker 1: So what do you, you think this gets passed?
54:06
Speaker 3: I don't know. It feels, it's the easiest way to
54:09
Speaker 3: pass it. If Republicans really just wanted to be done
54:11
Speaker 3: with this and let it go, would be to just
54:12
Speaker 3: pass what, pass the, take off what, do what they
54:15
Speaker 3: do with the discharge petition on Epstein. Take it, pass it,
54:18
Speaker 3: be done with it. Give it, take the win on it.
54:20
Speaker 3: The hard part is now you're going to send a
54:22
Speaker 3: competing bill back to the House that is worse than
54:24
Speaker 3: this one. There's going to be no discharge petition for
54:26
Speaker 3: that one because it's worse than the thing that's already passed.
54:30
Speaker 3: So why would Democrats negotiate with themselves? And so I
54:33
Speaker 3: think there's a lot of obstacles before it can actually
54:36
Speaker 3: get done here. But it has a shot, I'd say.
54:38
Speaker 3: And I think we should just stipulate that the shutdown
54:43
Speaker 3: in this case, even if this does not work, the
54:47
Speaker 3: shutdown brought this closer to actual completion than anything possible.
54:52
Speaker 3: And we said this before the break, but Jeffries played
54:56
Speaker 3: his cards very, very well here on the discharge positions,
54:59
Speaker 3: held out for the stronger one, forced the Republicans to
55:01
Speaker 3: come his way. And I think he just did a
55:04
Speaker 3: good job there. We've been critical of the leaders, but
55:06
Speaker 3: this is one case where they, I think, did a
55:08
Speaker 3: very good job.
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Speaker 1: If you were running a Democratic House or Senate campaign
55:16
Speaker 1: in the midterms and this thing passes, What are you thinking?
55:21
Speaker 1: And what are you saying?
55:23
Speaker 3: I think that you are, if you are, you are,
55:26
Speaker 3: it depends. So if you're an incumbent, you're taking credit
55:29
Speaker 3: for this. And if you're a challenger against a Republican,
55:33
Speaker 3: you are probably running against a Republican who just voted
55:36
Speaker 3: for it. And you're talking, therefore, you're then talking about
55:39
Speaker 3: all the other ways in which the prices are high.
55:42
Speaker 6: Yeah.
55:43
Speaker 1: So, but it's good for people.
55:46
Speaker 6: Yeah.
55:48
Speaker 3: The thing was, this is where Jeffries was right. If
55:52
Speaker 3: you're going to solve the Republicans' political problem for them,
55:57
Speaker 3: then you're going to have to get something very real
55:58
Speaker 3: that helps lots of people.
56:00
Speaker 1: Which this would be.
56:01
Speaker 3: The three-year straight extension is that. The Senate thing, I
56:05
Speaker 3: have a lot more questions about whether that's actually worth
56:09
Speaker 3: going out to see what the actual language is. But
56:11
Speaker 3: now you put income caps on. It's two years, not
56:12
Speaker 3: three years. Who knows what happens with Hyde? That seems
56:15
Speaker 3: like a less worthy– that's a harder deal to take
56:19
Speaker 3: given the politics. But you're going to come back next
56:21
Speaker 3: year and hopefully have a ton more leverage because you
56:24
Speaker 3: control the House and maybe the Senate.
56:26
Speaker 1: We should also say that because the deadline has passed,
56:29
Speaker 1: it's not impossible to implement this. It's like doable. It
56:32
Speaker 1: is doable. I think it's also tougher to do if
56:35
Speaker 1: it's not a clean extension, right?
56:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right because basically if it's a
56:39
Speaker 3: clean extension, what would happen here is just you could
56:42
Speaker 3: retroactively– just go back to make the tax credits to
56:46
Speaker 3: January 1st. In the federal plans, you could just start,
56:52
Speaker 3: take all that money, push it forward, lower everyone's premiums automatically.
56:55
Speaker 3: When the original tax credits were passed, it was in
56:59
Speaker 3: March when it went into law, after the open enrollment
57:01
Speaker 3: period was over. So they just did it for people
57:03
Speaker 3: who qualified. You could do it here. But now you
57:05
Speaker 3: have a bunch of state exchanges, places who have their
57:08
Speaker 3: own exchange. Those states will have to make their own
57:10
Speaker 3: decision about how they do it. The reason why So
57:13
Speaker 3: you can help people. The downside here is the people
57:15
Speaker 3: who opted out because it was too expensive, it's very
57:18
Speaker 3: hard to get them back in in this scenario.
57:21
Speaker 1: Especially with a government that really doesn't want to make
57:23
Speaker 1: healthcare work.
57:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Biden was able to make this work because
57:27
Speaker 3: he wanted to make it work. It's hard to see
57:29
Speaker 3: the Trump administration doing what it would take to actually
57:31
Speaker 3: help people here.
57:31
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57:34
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57:36
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Speaker 8: I'm excited to be joined today by a man who
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1:02:27
Speaker 8: to be. Mayor Mamdani, welcome back to Pod Save America.
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Speaker 1: Thank you.
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Speaker 6: It's a pleasure to be here. And it's a unique intro.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: How'd that go for you?
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Speaker 3: Were you like, sir, eyes up here.
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Speaker 8: I'm not a piece of meat.
1:02:39
Speaker 1: Anyway, we'll get to the substance.
1:02:41
Speaker 8: We are talking because earlier today, Thursday, you and Governor
1:02:44
Speaker 8: Hochul made a major announcement about your plan to expand
1:02:47
Speaker 8: free child care New Yorkers. Can you tell us the
1:02:50
Speaker 8: details of what you guys just announced?
1:02:51
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
1:02:52
Speaker 6: So we just announced just a couple of hours ago
1:02:54
Speaker 6: that we will be receiving a $ 1. 21 billion investment in
1:02:58
Speaker 6: making universal childcare a reality in New York City. And
1:03:01
Speaker 6: what that means in a tangible level is that we're
1:03:03
Speaker 6: going to be fixing 3K here in New York City
1:03:06
Speaker 6: and delivering universal 2K for every single two-year-old across the
1:03:09
Speaker 6: city in the next four years. And this is something
1:03:12
Speaker 6: that will transform the ability for working families to actually
1:03:15
Speaker 6: raise their kids here because it's a city where, up
1:03:17
Speaker 6: until today, child care has cost an average of $ 22, 500
1:03:20
Speaker 6: a year. Wow. Yeah.
1:03:23
Speaker 8: As a father of a three-year-old and an almost two-year-old,
1:03:25
Speaker 8: I can tell you it's wildly expensive. I suspect you're
1:03:28
Speaker 8: going to get a lot of questions about the cost
1:03:30
Speaker 8: of this program, how you're going to pay for it.
1:03:32
Speaker 8: I believe during the campaign, you talked about a longer-term
1:03:35
Speaker 8: vision to provide universal child care from age six months
1:03:38
Speaker 8: to age five that could cost up to $ 6 billion
1:03:41
Speaker 8: a year. Will this plan require new taxes, or do
1:03:43
Speaker 8: you anticipate having to kind of move money around or
1:03:46
Speaker 8: that this funding might constrain your ability to fund other priorities?
1:03:52
Speaker 6: So the funding of this, the $ 1. 21 billion is coming
1:03:55
Speaker 6: directly from the state. It's in partnership between Governor Hochul
1:03:58
Speaker 6: and myself, and it's being done using existing revenues. And
1:04:01
Speaker 6: what it does is it starts the process of universal
1:04:04
Speaker 6: childcare here in New York City. We have pre-K, we
1:04:07
Speaker 6: have 3K, but the 3K that we have, you have
1:04:10
Speaker 6: a family in bedside that's being told they can have
1:04:12
Speaker 6: a seat, but the seat is actually in Astoria. So
1:04:14
Speaker 6: this investment, it fixes the 3K, and it starts to
1:04:17
Speaker 6: deliver 2K across New York City. And then by the
1:04:19
Speaker 6: end of the first term in office, we will have
1:04:22
Speaker 6: delivered universal 2K. And then in the second term, we
1:04:24
Speaker 6: will be delivering one year and then below that.
1:04:27
Speaker 3: Got it.
1:04:28
Speaker 8: And I will say, a few months ago, there were
1:04:30
Speaker 8: a lot of people saying, this is impossible. This is
1:04:32
Speaker 8: one of the many lefty campaign promises that's going to
1:04:35
Speaker 8: hit a buzzsaw of political reality once you take office.
1:04:38
Speaker 8: There were others questioning- whether you could work with Governor Hochul,
1:04:42
Speaker 8: given that you come from pretty different ends of the
1:04:44
Speaker 8: political spectrum, within the Democratic Party at least. How did
1:04:47
Speaker 8: you guys find common ground on this issue in particular?
1:04:50
Speaker 8: And are there lessons you think that Democrats nationally can
1:04:53
Speaker 8: take away from that experience?
1:04:55
Speaker 6: Well, frankly, I think this is something that so many
1:04:58
Speaker 6: New Yorkers have actually willed into reality. Today is the
1:05:01
Speaker 6: result of New Yorkers who made more than a million
1:05:04
Speaker 6: phone calls, who knocked on more than a million doors,
1:05:06
Speaker 6: who were told again and again, like you said, that
1:05:08
Speaker 6: to believe in a city that would be affordable was
1:05:10
Speaker 6: to believe in a myth, when in reality, their work
1:05:13
Speaker 6: has made that into the life that we are living
1:05:16
Speaker 6: here in New York City. And the governor said in
1:05:18
Speaker 6: her State of the State last year that she was
1:05:21
Speaker 6: going to be fighting for universal childcare. This has long
1:05:23
Speaker 6: been an area of shared interest. And as she said today,
1:05:26
Speaker 6: the era of empty promises is over. The things that
1:05:29
Speaker 6: we said in the campaign, those were not just slogans.
1:05:32
Speaker 6: Those were in fact exactly what we were going to
1:05:35
Speaker 6: fight for. And now on day eight of this new administration,
1:05:37
Speaker 6: We are delivering on one of the signature priorities of
1:05:40
Speaker 6: our campaign, which is universal childcare for New Yorkers across
1:05:42
Speaker 6: the five boroughs.
1:05:43
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, it's nice to see Democrats getting some dubs,
1:05:46
Speaker 8: putting some wins on the board. Not a lot of
1:05:48
Speaker 8: that happening in this country at the moment.
1:05:50
Speaker 6: Universal dub care next.
1:05:51
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:05:53
Speaker 8: Before you go, I wanted to get your reaction to
1:05:56
Speaker 8: this horrible ice shooting in Minnesota. I think by now
1:05:59
Speaker 8: listeners have probably seen the video. The victim is a
1:06:02
Speaker 8: 37-year-old woman named Renee Macklin Good. She's a mother of three.
1:06:06
Speaker 8: She described herself on social media as a poet, a writer,
1:06:09
Speaker 8: a wife, and a mom. And yet in the aftermath
1:06:12
Speaker 8: of the shooting, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem called her
1:06:15
Speaker 8: a domestic terrorist. Vice President J.D. Vance called her, quote,
1:06:18
Speaker 8: a deranged leftist. They both lied about what actually happened,
1:06:22
Speaker 8: despite there being video evidence that we all could see
1:06:24
Speaker 8: with our eyes. And I think I'm really struggling with
1:06:27
Speaker 8: a few things, first on a human level, like Just
1:06:30
Speaker 8: the lack of humanity in those kinds of statements about
1:06:33
Speaker 8: an American citizen, a mom who's now deceased and is
1:06:36
Speaker 8: leaving behind kids without a mother to care for them.
1:06:39
Speaker 8: The second is like the willingness we've seen from a
1:06:42
Speaker 8: lot of Americans to put a higher standard on citizens
1:06:47
Speaker 8: to avoid getting killed by federal agents than they put
1:06:51
Speaker 8: on the federal agents themselves, the ones pulling the trigger.
1:06:54
Speaker 8: And then finally, just kind of like knowing the big picture,
1:06:56
Speaker 8: Stephen Miller and some people in the White House, like
1:06:58
Speaker 8: they want confrontations between ICE and people in blue states
1:07:01
Speaker 8: because violence kind of helps them justify their crackdown. So
1:07:06
Speaker 8: I'm just wondering, how are you processing this? And what
1:07:08
Speaker 8: is your message to New Yorkers about how to stay
1:07:11
Speaker 8: safe and about how New York officials can help them
1:07:14
Speaker 8: stay safe?
1:07:14
Speaker 6: I mean, this is heartbreaking to have watched that video,
1:07:20
Speaker 6: to read the news, to to read of her father-in-law
1:07:24
Speaker 6: describing that now orphan child, there is no other way
1:07:28
Speaker 6: to respond to this. And there's no amount of official
1:07:31
Speaker 6: mischaracterizations that can ever force us to look away from
1:07:34
Speaker 6: that very video. And I know that there are many
1:07:36
Speaker 6: New Yorkers who watched that video and felt even greater
1:07:39
Speaker 6: anxiety about what it means to be an immigrant in
1:07:41
Speaker 6: this city. And so I'm making it clear to each
1:07:44
Speaker 6: and every person who calls this city home, each and
1:07:46
Speaker 6: every person who is a New Yorker across these five boroughs,
1:07:49
Speaker 6: that ours is a city government that will stand with them.
1:07:51
Speaker 6: Ours is a city government that will stand with immigrants
1:07:54
Speaker 6: today and for every day hereafter. And it's also a
1:07:56
Speaker 6: city government that's going to follow the law and actually
1:07:58
Speaker 6: follow our sanctuary city policies. You know, a few weeks ago,
1:08:02
Speaker 6: I sat down for 12 hours and listened to New
1:08:05
Speaker 6: Yorkers as they came up and shared their stories with me.
1:08:07
Speaker 6: And a few of them were undocumented New Yorkers. And
1:08:10
Speaker 6: they told me of the fear that they live with
1:08:12
Speaker 6: each and every day, the anxiety when they say goodbye
1:08:15
Speaker 6: to a loved one of whether it'll be the last time.
1:08:17
Speaker 6: And it is my job as the mayor of New
1:08:19
Speaker 6: York City to take care of everyone who calls the
1:08:21
Speaker 6: city home. And just to think about the family of
1:08:24
Speaker 6: that woman who was murdered, it's to understand just one
1:08:27
Speaker 6: glimpse into what has been a year of cruelty. And
1:08:30
Speaker 6: I've said it directly to the president, and I'll say
1:08:32
Speaker 6: it directly as well to anyone who will listen, which
1:08:35
Speaker 6: is that these ICE raids are cruel and inhumane. They
1:08:37
Speaker 6: do nothing to actually serve the interests of public safety.
1:08:41
Speaker 8: And I know that Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey's message to
1:08:44
Speaker 8: ICE was, you know, get the fuck out of Minneapolis.
1:08:47
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know that that's something that he
1:08:49
Speaker 8: can deliver on in practice, right? I mean, you can't
1:08:51
Speaker 8: force ICE to leave, but are there ways you think
1:08:53
Speaker 8: that city officials can, steps they can take to protect
1:08:56
Speaker 8: people or, I don't know.
1:08:58
Speaker 6: I think there are, there are a of ways. I
1:09:00
Speaker 6: think the first and foremost is to actually inform New
1:09:02
Speaker 6: Yorkers of their own rights. There are so many New
1:09:05
Speaker 6: Yorkers who live in the city who do not know
1:09:07
Speaker 6: all the rights that they actually have by being a
1:09:08
Speaker 6: New Yorker. And so we have been doing a number
1:09:11
Speaker 6: of Know Your Rights outreach, as well as just information
1:09:14
Speaker 6: that we're sharing directly with New Yorkers. The other is
1:09:17
Speaker 6: to inform New Yorkers of of the safety that they
1:09:20
Speaker 6: have because we are a city that follows sanctuary city policies.
1:09:23
Speaker 6: That means we will have a police department that does
1:09:26
Speaker 6: not assist ICE in their operations. That means that city employees,
1:09:30
Speaker 6: when they are at a city property or even a
1:09:31
Speaker 6: property of a city contractor, they will not allow ICE
1:09:34
Speaker 6: agents into that premise unless they can provide a judicial
1:09:37
Speaker 6: warrant signed by a judge. And this sadly shouldn't be
1:09:41
Speaker 6: something we have to remind New Yorkers, but for a
1:09:43
Speaker 6: long time, there wasn't a level of clarity. as to
1:09:45
Speaker 6: what their rights actually were and whether city government was
1:09:47
Speaker 6: willing to stand up for those rights. That clarity is
1:09:50
Speaker 6: now returning to City Hall.
1:09:51
Speaker 3: Well, that's very important to hear.
1:09:53
Speaker 8: Mayor Mamdani, thank you so much for joining the show
1:09:54
Speaker 8: today and congrats on the big announcement.
1:09:56
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, my friend. Pleasure to be here.
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