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Charlie Mulgrew · Not Another Football Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Not Another Football Podcast with myself,
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  Speaker 1: Simon Downley and Jackie Out.
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  Speaker 2: And we're delighted to have a lot of fabulous guest.
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  Speaker 3: The hard to nail down, good to be here. I'm good.
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  Speaker 3: I am good.
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  Speaker 2: Good summer brilling, summer eye holidays.
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  Speaker 4: Don't That's what I've done for My memory is terrible,
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  Speaker 4: but I mean the cut a holidays.
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  Speaker 3: I no longer wear it enough. It has been good here.
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  Speaker 4: I went away for a week, but two separate holidays,
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  Speaker 4: calidor you have been holiday ady myself, well twice. I've
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  Speaker 4: done it just during your own just me, myself, you.
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  Speaker 2: Yourself and I. I just golf.
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  Speaker 4: I've done it once, noney golf, just four days, just
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  Speaker 4: one night of sitting for dinner. But right, so it's
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  Speaker 4: obviously a vulnerable place to be, but it's brilliant.
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  Speaker 5: It's just you.
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  Speaker 4: You get to them, you want, you walk about, you
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  Speaker 4: will have a wonder, you have a beer, you have
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  Speaker 4: a coffee to whoever you're it's brollying. The one that
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  Speaker 4: I'm sitting right, and there's one table left in the restaurant.
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  Speaker 4: The guys that you can sit here, I saw right,
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  Speaker 4: says I are sort of right at the very front
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  Speaker 4: cala door, looking at to perfect looking at why his.
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  Speaker 3: Name sat here?
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, next minute I'm sitting something has me tap the
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  Speaker 4: heat and acons fell at the trees. So I'm like, gee,
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  Speaker 4: what's the chance of that next minute shoutowing shadowing? Holding
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  Speaker 4: my shirt's telling you fuck ten minutes I first, no
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  Speaker 4: move shouting again. Families in that turning room like so
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  Speaker 4: I know they know, the kids in that looking and
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  Speaker 4: snigger and the numb each and I'm just sat myself.
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  Speaker 3: I thought I can't sit here on it and get shadowing.
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  Speaker 4: So I waited a laugh with the sparkling water with
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  Speaker 4: my hanging on that, and then just went and moved.
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  Speaker 3: But I hold myself, man, brother, I could do that.
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  Speaker 5: Could you do?
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  Speaker 2: You know something?
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  Speaker 1: Just when you're talking about that, I went down to
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  Speaker 1: Crawley when I was injured at Sheffield Wednesday. I went
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  Speaker 1: down to get treatment myself and I went to cineray
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  Speaker 1: myself and I went for a table for one myself.
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  Speaker 1: It is it's a it's a weird feeling.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Things going holiday going hold. I know it's the first
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  Speaker 4: time I done it. A few year ago three years ago,
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  Speaker 4: I just retired.
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  Speaker 3: He was gone.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, I'm away and I flew a ten
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  Speaker 4: an eef for four days. I was just going to
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  Speaker 4: go traveling myself sat about you got in the morning,
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  Speaker 4: you're go for breakfast, then where they're going it, I'll
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  Speaker 4: just walk them twenty twenty thousand steps a day with
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  Speaker 4: your phones in and then.
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  Speaker 3: Brilliant.
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  Speaker 4: So you don't need to.
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  Speaker 5: Worry about talking to your selling or that.
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  Speaker 3: I talked to myself anyway.
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  Speaker 4: Different, No, genuinely, but yeah, you don't need worry about
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  Speaker 4: md els what they want to do. What do I
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  Speaker 4: mean Obviously I love going to people as well. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not I'm not a recluse, you know. I like I've
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  Speaker 4: been holiday with You've be being to things abroad that
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  Speaker 4: as well, so I like to like to do that
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  Speaker 4: as well. But see going yourself, it's something completely.
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  Speaker 5: It's mad.
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  Speaker 4: You go up at night, right, so you during the
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  Speaker 4: day and you got at night, either have a week sleep,
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  Speaker 4: I've a wake up shower, gone for dinner. You you're
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  Speaker 4: like you're leaving the hotel to go for then yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Like you're popping.
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  Speaker 4: That was good?
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  Speaker 6: Was that?
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  Speaker 4: The World Cup was then? So I supported about four
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  Speaker 4: different nations, so I was on that night. I was
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  Speaker 4: in the pub.
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  Speaker 3: Supporting that team. I mean, jump my book when Holland
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  Speaker 3: scored the World Cup.
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  Speaker 4: After watch loads of games, I know people are up
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  Speaker 4: with to in them all and no I watching loads
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  Speaker 4: of them, but I was the one of them. I
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  Speaker 4: watched the big games and you know what, I'm happy
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  Speaker 4: to say it. I wanted England to go all the
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  Speaker 4: way to the final because I love see Scotland.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not playing.
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  Speaker 4: I love my next TV to watch is England because
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  Speaker 4: you watch them every week. So was like, you're investing
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  Speaker 4: with her dad and I wanted to get all the
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  Speaker 4: way at the final and maybe lose it in penalties
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  Speaker 4: or something.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't.
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  Speaker 4: I was gut even the Bok against think.
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  Speaker 2: They were involved in two the best get I think
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  Speaker 2: the Mexico game had ever ittten. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: you stayed up for that Mexico.
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  Speaker 4: I saw the highlighted. I did to stay up for it.
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  Speaker 1: Everything in that game and listen from an English point
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  Speaker 1: of view, I don't know like Argentine again, but it
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  Speaker 1: was an exciting.
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  Speaker 2: Game as well.
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  Speaker 4: When then I had to watch them, do you know
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  Speaker 4: like see that feeling you're getting during the day when
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  Speaker 4: I get a good fight of games and you go, yes,
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  Speaker 4: that's on the night and you what you.
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  Speaker 3: Want to watch it. I used to get that with England.
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  Speaker 4: I would get up Scotland game and then the next
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  Speaker 4: team is England and then see a part of that.
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  Speaker 4: It would need to be like a France or a
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  Speaker 4: Spain or two biggings going together.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's always been the case through the years.
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  Speaker 6: Like our biggest bug bearers obviously the commentators and the media,
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  Speaker 6: but actual players have no issues with them.
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  Speaker 5: They had good players, the Beckhams, you know, the Schools.
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  Speaker 5: He's all the all the years of.
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  Speaker 6: Watching them and Lampards, but you just it's it's the
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  Speaker 6: backlash of them doing well.
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  Speaker 5: Is you know you're still showing sixty six and.
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  Speaker 3: Them and don't want to win to day.
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  Speaker 6: That's and how they how we are with the Scots
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  Speaker 6: when we get knocked to a wee bit underwhelming, honestly, right, I.
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  Speaker 3: Don't know how you when I'm watching them.
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  Speaker 4: We little only nation turned up at the World Cup,
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  Speaker 4: right and we go can make it beat here and
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  Speaker 4: still we through we like have the other team had
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  Speaker 4: turn up anybody and need.
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  Speaker 2: To be beat by here one we'll be through it.
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  Speaker 4: It's almost all the like has it done yet? Are
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  Speaker 4: we through it? But it's every other team you watch,
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  Speaker 4: their wingers are try to get play to them, the strikers,
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  Speaker 4: I try to score. Everybody's trying to look good and
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  Speaker 4: we're almost just wanted to be over. What's frying this?
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  Speaker 6: It's I don't know about it. Just your game is
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  Speaker 6: a whole survival. You know, look at a Premier League.
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  Speaker 6: Everybody was striving to get in top six. It's one
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  Speaker 6: of my bug bearers when I was managing, I end
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  Speaker 6: up finding myself saying, and all we did when you
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  Speaker 6: get the top six, we get a top six, we
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  Speaker 6: have budget.
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  Speaker 5: It's just surviving.
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  Speaker 4: What is that culture? Like, sh what's going on?
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  Speaker 1: It's assume because you get sucked into it for the
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  Speaker 1: three games, you're full of hope and optimism and then
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  Speaker 1: five minutes.
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  Speaker 6: Out of the game year but it wasn't even five minutes,
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  Speaker 6: two minutes. I know, we can hardly try to play
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  Speaker 6: off in the first minute about five.
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  Speaker 4: I was then the hydro, so you imagine atmosphere there.
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  Speaker 4: I have days on it, golen bananas and it's just flat.
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  Speaker 4: It's likely. The last thing I've on that second game
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  Speaker 4: was it was a the first game, the second game
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  Speaker 4: and English gone.
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  Speaker 3: The second had an English commentary after the radio and
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  Speaker 3: in Iigrol for.
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  Speaker 2: The head again with US one.
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  Speaker 4: That's what it was. Second was in Morocco, so it
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  Speaker 4: was just it was anti Scotland the whole time.
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  Speaker 3: The atmosphere it was hard.
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  Speaker 4: So see if I see see when I look at space,
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  Speaker 4: look at Spain, look at Argentina. Right, the two teams
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  Speaker 4: in the final young right their culture. Argentinian are playing
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  Speaker 4: little culture and it's like empty wind and Spain are
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  Speaker 4: like nice and tidy and football and in small players
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  Speaker 4: we should I feel like we grewing circles, right, copying
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  Speaker 4: our nations.
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  Speaker 3: So we had the Dutch guy you after a bat
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  Speaker 3: and then you get let go. We're putting these performance schools.
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  Speaker 4: We're trying to be I don't know, we're always we
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  Speaker 4: feel like we're always chasing a tail, trying to be
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  Speaker 4: somebody else one never one never.
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  Speaker 2: Especially.
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  Speaker 6: When we're at it on the front foot, getting on
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  Speaker 6: them in their faces, pushing and like we did with
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  Speaker 6: certain games to get over the line. But then the
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  Speaker 6: minute start trying to do things like the rest of them.
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  Speaker 6: As you say, we get caught at the back with
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  Speaker 6: set of halves. The LA's people you want on the
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  Speaker 6: ball in the team who get caught. Didn't they see
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  Speaker 6: him yet? You don't get that time and.
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  Speaker 4: I think you're in between that speak.
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  Speaker 5: He caught.
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  Speaker 4: So if you're saying let's play for the bat, we're
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  Speaker 4: going to be a team at places. But he don't play.
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  Speaker 4: M Ken a left and a half. He played on
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  Speaker 4: Tilney and he is r Kenna does. He does what
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  Speaker 4: he does, but he limited. He said, he's simple and
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  Speaker 4: he keeps it simple. Guns know the best of his
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  Speaker 4: body's feet. He's playing short passes. You've got Louise Fergus
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  Speaker 4: the midfield, who's brilliant the tournament for what he'd done,
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  Speaker 4: but he's no a. He take the boss six to
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  Speaker 4: dictate again and I try to play it to him.
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  Speaker 4: We lose it. They score.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, have you better just gone right?
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  Speaker 4: It's time up the kilt, so you right, let's have
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  Speaker 4: you shot a whiskey before we go, maybe two right,
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  Speaker 4: and let's get in people's faces and maybe have a
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  Speaker 4: laugh well, because we like I laugh as an acient
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  Speaker 4: and well after people.
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  Speaker 1: You look at all those countries that have been there
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  Speaker 1: that they've had three moments that they kept Verde, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the goal against Argentina, he actually took.
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  Speaker 2: The game to Argentina.
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting back to the Spanish manager just talks about
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  Speaker 1: that team playing together since about eight nine, ten years
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  Speaker 1: of age. They all know what they're doing and they
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  Speaker 1: actually you see that against France, they choked the life
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  Speaker 1: out of France.
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  Speaker 2: They can read where things are going and then when
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  Speaker 2: they get the ball they just keep it for them.
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  Speaker 5: The same with Spain. Every year it's the same groups.
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  Speaker 5: The younger ones come through.
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  Speaker 4: Me.
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  Speaker 6: Look at our twenty ones, no we near it. Acted
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  Speaker 6: in my last time they won again. You know, I've
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  Speaker 6: just changed the manager now. But like the players that
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  Speaker 6: they select and the players that we've got, what they're playing,
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  Speaker 6: whether they're no playing perhaps some of them now played
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  Speaker 6: men's football and they're supposed to be going through.
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  Speaker 5: I mean ninety six we got to the finals. The
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  Speaker 5: twenty ones, you know, eighty six, it was like the four.
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  Speaker 6: Teams in Barcelona and there was only a maybe four
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  Speaker 6: or five came through through twenty one.
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  Speaker 5: As to Presley, there was.
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  Speaker 2: Out that squad there was only four I think.
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  Speaker 6: Christia Deili the World Cup night, yeah yeah, Christian Daily
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  Speaker 6: it was too and.
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  Speaker 5: Who's it on again? And the World Cup squad?
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  Speaker 1: Can I mind that the French team that was in
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  Speaker 1: that last four, half of them went and won the
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  Speaker 1: World Cup two years later. And see the time, he
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  Speaker 1: didn't know who you were because under twenty one you
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  Speaker 1: knew Della Penna and you knew Raoul because they were
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  Speaker 1: both playing Real Madrid.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody else you really knew.
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  Speaker 1: And then you're looking and it was like, well todd
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  Speaker 1: boys like that, Viera and stuff won the World Cup,
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  Speaker 1: had it was amazing.
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  Speaker 5: It won it.
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  Speaker 6: Italy won that one gentleman, they won the two Canavarro
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  Speaker 6: Panucci and then the France.
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  Speaker 3: Team was part of that went one France nint eight
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  Speaker 3: two years later.
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  Speaker 2: But we didn't know what the time.
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  Speaker 5: Then I'm saying that's that's but again that was that
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  Speaker 5: was ninety eight.
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  Speaker 6: When you look at all the the we've had a
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  Speaker 6: lot of good players over the years, you know what
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  Speaker 6: I mean, A good group coming through Hibs or kind
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  Speaker 6: of went onto good things. Brunie and that kind of
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  Speaker 6: Tomson what it kills.
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  Speaker 4: I just wonder what happens. I look at you. I
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  Speaker 4: watched that locks my boys playing in it. He's eighteen,
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  Speaker 4: and I've watched it for the last four or five years.
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  Speaker 4: And again talking back to copying nations, but even you
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  Speaker 4: go to copy nations or you think this is the
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  Speaker 4: way to date, So take this. You need to know
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  Speaker 4: exactly what they're doing, because if you don't, I'm seeing
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  Speaker 4: goalkeepers pass it the cent and a half back to
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  Speaker 4: the goalkeeper till all cent and a half till cent
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  Speaker 4: a half back and forth, back and forth and no
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  Speaker 4: gone anywhere. Yeah, to throw back back to center half
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  Speaker 4: back by back, throw back back, and you're like sixty
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  Speaker 4: five percent vision, but you've not went anyway.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 4: It's if this is if I think possession is good.
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  Speaker 4: Now the possession is my purpose. I'll try to get
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  Speaker 4: to the end of the pit. So if it means
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  Speaker 4: sometimes good a tap, yeah, Because I don't know. We
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  Speaker 4: need to we need to get back to us who
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  Speaker 4: we is a nation? What is our culture? I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know anybody. If you look at it.
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  Speaker 6: Even last year, the best team on view my mother
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  Speaker 6: well nice best entertained football, and what happened to the
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  Speaker 6: guy got a move because he was brave. He was there,
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  Speaker 6: had a philosophy to play football, attacking football. You got
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  Speaker 6: you off your seat or the mother will fans must
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  Speaker 6: have been buzzing last year to go and watch every game,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I like watching them, even though they popped them.
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  Speaker 6: And that's where the same kind of group of players
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  Speaker 6: and not just the manager he's moved, but a few
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  Speaker 6: of the players got to move in the back because
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  Speaker 6: he was brave.
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  Speaker 5: And the new guy that's come in.
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  Speaker 6: I know it's only one game against Tubs, but some
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  Speaker 6: of the stuff there he's just sort of picked.
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  Speaker 5: Up from that.
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  Speaker 6: And it's the only think it's going to change because
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  Speaker 6: you're improving players in the process, Guys that have been there,
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  Speaker 6: guys of rework with boy Steven, O'Donnell, you know, and
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  Speaker 6: McGinn pull McGinn and all that, playing set a half,
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  Speaker 6: playing it for the back then there but having a structure.
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  Speaker 6: But what happened to the guy's now outgrowing Scottish football.
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  Speaker 6: He's away, Frans. We need more of these people in
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  Speaker 6: and being brave, but that only comes by changing the
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  Speaker 6: league for me, making it bigger. I mean, you obviously
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  Speaker 6: had a shot in management and all albeit Kelly part time,
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  Speaker 6: but I don't think there's ever such a thing as
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  Speaker 6: part time management.
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  Speaker 5: Was it did.
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  Speaker 6: Like obviously we've been in at like six just over
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  Speaker 6: six years in total in management. I don't miss it
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  Speaker 6: as we bits are enjoyed, you know, he bits a
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  Speaker 6: part of us, a wee bits it Dunde United. But
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  Speaker 6: for me it was just a frustration with all the
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  Speaker 6: non football stuff and when you're trying to change things,
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  Speaker 6: you're trying to get boys to do things right, to
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  Speaker 6: help them.
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  Speaker 4: You're hoping they're.
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  Speaker 6: Going to be brave, take the ball, take responsibility, give
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  Speaker 6: them that freedom to play in the right areas, you know,
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  Speaker 6: to use their intuition and not be robots. But when
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  Speaker 6: you get there and then it's hard to keep doing
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  Speaker 6: it and then fighting against I.
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  Speaker 2: Do you find that.
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  Speaker 1: I remember listening to your comments once it was over,
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  Speaker 1: and you sounded hugely frustrated.
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  Speaker 2: Just everything.
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  Speaker 4: To be fair, you know, because I've spoke to you
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  Speaker 4: about about it. I was just about five years last
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  Speaker 4: five year my caay, I was passionate to be a manager.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, this is what I want to do,
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  Speaker 4: this is this is how I see the game. And
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  Speaker 4: I want to put that in practice. But I realized
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  Speaker 4: in management quickly it was only ten percent of that.
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  Speaker 4: I was putting a game plan in place and watching
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  Speaker 4: it go. Now I was going, I said, distablationment of
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  Speaker 4: times I would rather lose games playing the way I
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  Speaker 4: see the game, then didn't win and no know how
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  Speaker 4: I've won, right, But that was only ten percent of
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  Speaker 4: the rest of the stuff that goes beside it, dealing
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  Speaker 4: with the board, Who are who are sound? What I say?
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  Speaker 1: Sound?
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  Speaker 4: One day I've come out and my fitness coach, who
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  Speaker 4: was buying news is they've just been asking me for
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  Speaker 4: starts for training. You've lost a few in arrows Lap?
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  Speaker 4: Have I asking for stats and training? I says, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not just told them this, I just lost it as
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  Speaker 4: had to an assistant tape training. I went in and
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  Speaker 4: the two of them are it's kelty. So everybody's all
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  Speaker 4: hands to the decks. So I'm moving goals. The two
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  Speaker 4: BOLD members are moving goals.
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  Speaker 3: Right lap with tv T with the crossfather Lap. Can
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  Speaker 3: I get one?
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  Speaker 4: They speak to you, said, why did you you spent
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  Speaker 4: to my fixt coach and asked for stats and asked
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  Speaker 4: if the boys are training hard. But you used to
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: been speaking to me for the last half an hour.
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: And in the management room, why are you going behind
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: my back to my fix score. Yeah, come to me
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: and we'll sort of it. I'm nothing to hide here. Yeah,
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: oh no, but I'm sorry. We should have went to
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: I try to go with ruin a books and.
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: I never realized until about the coaching and management. It's
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: mad because you have a twenty one years foot barean
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: and you don't see it because you're only focused on
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: you and the team and the boys and everything's a book.
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: The players, aren't it the minute step out of that side.
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: It's fo rats.
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: I know, it's horrible.
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: It's everybody made for each other. And I'm like my
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: assistant Hammled when I was eighteen coach, and i'most saying
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: I'm most saying to his face, I says, isn't him?
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: And it's like when you see that side that if
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: you can do that to me and wow, and then
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: your boulder on easy face and they go behind it.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: It's had.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: It's hard enough job if you've got everybody on the
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: same page, staff that are all going towards the same direction.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: But if you've got one or two, which we found
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: as well. If you've got one or two that I
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: was going the other ways.
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: It's impossible. My captain was My captain went for the
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: job at the same time as me, who, by the way,
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: I had met before, because he's I had heard he
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: was a good coach. I'd met him and he wanted
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: to be my assistant wherever I went. He and first Jobe,
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: I get and heard it him his captain, and I
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: find it just before I get the job, that he's
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: went for the job.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: But had he told me?
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: But why would you just tell me? Then actually told me,
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: But it was because he knew I knew it. And
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: then that was But then you go there you go.
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: I should get rid of him first day or two
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: days in or a weekend. But that's what good management
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: is into usual no us have been successful, and and
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: that in management and coaching. I should get rid of
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: him first week. By anever, I thought he's my best player,
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: hanging on him, see what he does, but it doesn't
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: matter how good and if he's knife and in the background,
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: and again I'm most saying the motal time his face,
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: I told her for the boy's my last day. I
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: know he was then that you're done.
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: It's not how you want to operate either's know who
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: you are.
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: You just I mean you go into way to do
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: well and to help and teach and improved footballers and
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: one games of football.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: That's Jack. I sat time, looked in the eye.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: I said to him, if you get my back because
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: I don't feel it. I'm feeling wee bits for it.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: Have you twice?
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: I says to me.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: They looked at me and went I after I have
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: says I'm no fucking feeling it. Tell me the new No,
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: I have so got away and he would he would
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: I would feel again. I bring them in a black tom.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: I've ad gin before fucking look at me, nig because
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: I'm seeing things your limp math training was so fucking
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: HAPs and you and then you you're find for the Saturday.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: Have you got my back or not?
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: I I.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Leave and he's got the joke right, It's like.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: That's not for me, Manna, It's not.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: It's the way the next question, so you would never
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: have a reconsidering him back end, No, you don't.
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: Feel it's a that's a hard one to start with.
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: I think because people there I mean we started. We
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: started Thistle. Although it was full time, it wasn't if
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: it was part of time wages.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: It was all we get.
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: So what we did in that first bit with the
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: budget and everything else was got out. I want to
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: We looked at all the boys that have been released
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: for all the Premier League clubs.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: Mostly he had Stephen o'donnal if your Celtic. So I
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: need to touch so.
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: Lawless Stevie Ollis for mother Well, Rose Forbes and mother Well.
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: I took about a couple of boys for university and
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: college football because that's all we could have four.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: You know, I meant time and then did you enjoy it?
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Enjoy the management side?
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: The first the first wee bit I did.
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: This was a constant fight because I was trying to
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: play football and I actually pinned up my wall, didn't.
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: It was a Jim Traynor's brother John Traynor in the
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: headline because we were pitch was murtherer with a rugby
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: and I but I wanted him to play and first
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: we bit so the first kind of bits coming through it.
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: It was the headline was beach bombing Samba Stars was
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: the boy's headline. John Trayner and I dug him up.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: In the next But what's all right about it?
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: I don't write a headline, I says, yeah, but you're saying,
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: like these boys I'm trying to get let me do
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: things they can't do. I say, we ConTroll and pass
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: the ball every day and training, so they can't replicate
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: that on the pitch.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: You can't pass the ball.
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: I don't want to see boys just smashing the bond
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: of corner on survivings, and they pointed, I wouldn't be
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: doing this. I want to try and prove them, get
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: me play a certain style that we want to watch
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: and get people to come. And then you fast forward,
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: you know, and they all start getting better. The football
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: is better. It's that's a football and playing team, right.
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: If you ask most fans at that point, you know
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: the football we played Steven Taylor sink Clark boys like that.
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: They came in from the Crows left back, was it yeah,
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: intros thinky. But they all went on and he got promotion.
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: You know, we left in the Janey. He got to United,
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: which which was another challenge in itself. We are the cuts,
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: but that's why he took us up there. And then
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: to take turn all that around. But you're you know,
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: the previous manager leaves because he couldn't deal with your cuts.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: How did it come about you getting Andy Robertson. That's
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: what I'm interested in.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: I actually try to get them. I was taking the party.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: So how did you hear about them?
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: I've seen them play it against them, watched them, watched
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: them a few times, and maybe Skinny boy when he
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: left either he's up against sod in the game in
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: the League Cup at Hampden.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Just do you like me, stunny boys because you're a
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: skinny boy?
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: Ye?
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Just that.
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: It's just desire, the skinny boys seeing the game, the
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: modern game, that thing is made more than anything now
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: because you see, like guys like Mada, they seell like fans.
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: They are technically sometimes no great, but fucking every game,
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: run run represent you as a person. She's a manager.
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: Somebody represent you first and nobody what. But that used
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: to be a given, a shift, you know, somebody giving
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: you everything there and chasing everything and fucking making every
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: every ball it's a bad ball, a good ball, and
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: that used to be a given. Now it's like, well,
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: that's a player of the year, you know, that's that's
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: the difference now in today's game, it's the thing he's
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: up there and the bits and surviving.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: That's why I just did a little lot of player.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: They're actually been a player, I think as Gards. That
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: for me a wee bit. I just look at them
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: and I think he's got a special moment in number.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: It's few and far between.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: For me, it was like a player with the big
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: legs and there he's got. It looks like he's he's
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: going to see it.
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: But then how do you get I'm angry.
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: You know, that's a couple of players there united and
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: I was just saying me, if you do get to
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: the next bit. I had to drop them GMS member
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: the first game against Partic, so reg and he comes
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: on the second half from Madge, but he's got the
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: fire and the belly.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: That's I've got to drop you to get that fire
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: in here that should be.
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: I said, you want to got to Celtic, which he
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: did him and Stewart when they both do then left
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: to go.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: I says, now you'll understand what I've been saying to you.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: To get there on the sterea. That fire has to
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: be in every there's no one in five or you
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: know the one and three. I was quite good. Now
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: next game. You need to be on it every game
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: and that's what it takes to get.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: If you could get that and players, the young players,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: it would be worth its wit and gold, go for
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: a thought and getting that fire, and.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: That's that they're dying breed me.
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: You know. That's why you say certain boys that we
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: know we look after, like Gannon dope, that's why I
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: love them, Like doesn't matter who's up against I'm going
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: to do.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: I'm just going to take you. I'm going to get
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: at you. It's a throwback and it gets you off
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: your seat and go got on son, fucking get out,
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: you know. And I just that's why they're the kind
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: of players that excite me.
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: You know, no and a halfs that can take the
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: side and pass it back to the goalie and get
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: their clip it in there.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: It's the ones that are going.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: To go and you're that Scotland Matger, Scotland Matger, take it.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: I would have a long time go no now.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Just at that end's going to doesn't it? I can't
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: think of one. Can did it? Like your stand up?
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: Can you no?
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: No?
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: No?
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: From here? Not from here. You know, that's easy in
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: it because it's it's I think you look at it.
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: Would be someone for him coming in, they would excite,
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: well something different again.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: But the problem is how much they get.
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: To work with them because you know if you look
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: at the boy, but ask you how much if you
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: can how can much could he change that time? If
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: he's going to that you get the body and you
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: do that like two sessions. So it takes it takes
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: time to grow it. But there's so many things that
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: it needs change in our game.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: That's where the of it as well. I'm talking about
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: the Spain players that have done it.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: They come through.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: There's there's an identity there and they all know what
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: they're doing. Do they get to that stage the technical really.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Have that and it kind of suits the culture as well.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: Then I mean you maybe get back to what we
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: have we've been for years.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Weird.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: It's we look, we try to look for athletes first
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: now before technical, you know, and then robots.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: That Britton is as well as Scotland. That England it probably, but.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: Then said the ones have come into England.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: I still thought.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: I still thought all the teams of the world couple
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: are stronger and quicker than us as well. They were.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: But you looked at the teams, and I'm talking about
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: that Cape Verde, there was other so called small the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: odd pace merchants.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: The youth that I know we've like's only one.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Was the one that kind of puts defense on the
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: back foot because he can he can get there his pace.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: But do you think when you're when you're playing fear
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: and you're apprehensive and you just wanted to get me end,
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: you look slower and you look weach are and you.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Looked mab maybe back we I did the game?
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: Was it the Brazil game?
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: In Morocco game? I did it? The Boyd tam Boyd
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: around the town.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe it looks for money good enough for the hydro
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: And I said to Boyd that half time it was
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: a Moroccle game.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: In fact, I says, what what is it? Defender? Do
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: you fear the most?
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: They says pace. It says, why do we get Dock
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: on the bench? Docks sitting on the bench here, get
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: them on because he's only one that has the real
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: threat card of the ball as well. But as you
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: look at all the other teams, and I'm talking about
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: the lesser teams is that they all had two or
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: three speed merchants that got their team up the pitch
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: and put that back line under pressure.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Don't seem no goat as a nation traditionally, as I
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: don't remember the last a Partfay.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: Doc, there's not really anything of the rics.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Point was always playing him, even if it's half the front,
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: even if it's somewhere, just for that.
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: But you know what you started started to put well,
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: actually the bonus pre season there they moved them on
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: the left.
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: I once see once.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: The goals start. How did he leave Celtic.
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: It was again at the time between the first team
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: and there. They put them in and brought him in.
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: He'd never seen him, put him into.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: It, and you just this was his first year full
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: time lever.
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: Well. He was he just turned sixteen, but he thought
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: had been in there. But the kids trained Barrowfield, the
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: first teams Town Andrew have never seen him. He's like, Ben,
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: I had big things about you, and I was like,
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: he's the best young thing I've seen. You know, I
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: grew up obviously as a first team player. When Aidennidy
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: came through, I think he's I know, Edin was really
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: really technical, but it Ben's just what I'd seen. I
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: thought he's special. I don't come along very often. And
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: the B team in the first team, you know they
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: can worry was getting injured and the lone league, Yeah,
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: because you know yourself and these guys are part time
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: and the wee guys would make them look stupid and
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: they're running past him like they're not there.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: So dance take Kimpy Barrowfield right to the first team.
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: Training first team and then he put them in the
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: bench begat. Then he came off against Rangers and they're like, what.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: Do we do it to keep them?
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: I just keep him and show them that you'll not
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: just get them to sign a day and then put
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: them back down again because you lose them. And then
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: that weekend they were playing mother Well away for park
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: and and you said to him to then you can
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: go and play with it Scotland seventeens. That was it
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: came back. I mean, he's let them go rather than
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: keep them in the first team. And then they played
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: a couple of big team games and then he wouldn't.
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: It wasn't he didn't sign the contract and I told
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: them me go.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: Basically did not to see him Jesus it.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Went to Liverpool. But I just wonder how low at
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: that is talented players, Scottish players. I just think there's
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: no one off opportunity for them.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: I think every kid's different.
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: I think, and you know, if you when they stand them,
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: some kids at sixteen, at his age, you're only ready
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: physically m m. You know they might be ready mentally,
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: but physically, but he was. You know, I always compared
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: him like a Rooney at sixteen. But when you see kids,
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: I just said, there's one and I've not seen it
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: like them all my time at Celtics. Aidan's probably. I
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: know there are different types, but when.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: You swinded and up, who was better at sixteen? Aiden
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: A dope.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: Was I don't get wrong, dope.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: On here sitting.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: Listen. I'll call you here, aid I been what I've
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: done him before. I've done James Forrester him and he
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: will see it. Don't worry.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: So you go back to your then.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Obviously I had an idea of your career passing my
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: head un told until we deal.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: I'd love to hear about you your no, but I didn't.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: I forgot.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: I will be thinking I went to Celtic Tabertean.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: When I was younger, I forgot Celtic.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: And Wills and Eve went back to Celtic. So you've
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: come through the youth itself.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: So I came through the youths I signed when I
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: was signed there. I started boys club when I was
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: ten until I was twelve, and then it was the
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: first under twelve team and I can't to me at
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: the time, and they took five or six points for
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: the boys Club to the core of the team when
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: I was part of that, and then they broke boys in.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: They brought aid and and they brought boys for a
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: different places. We made the first on the twelve team
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: up come through there. At Celtic fifteen, I was close
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: to getting released and then Tommy Buns came in, took
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: over ahead academy for George Adams, and then basically Tommy buncaid,
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: I've got five games to earn my cell a contract,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: and I went and had five really good games.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: They earned mysel a two year deal. So got a
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: two year contract.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Buzzing went, went signed there, done my two years and
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: then I got offered another year. One of the talking
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: gesture years was let's see how he develops. This next year,
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: almost like hanging.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: On for another year.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: So I got a year and then I went to
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: the Jersey tournament and who man United Sporting Lisbon taught them.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: Everybody was there my third year at eighteen's and I
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: went on to get like second to player the tournament.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: We go to the final beatfoot ballcle Juniors one now
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: and I played really well and as soon as.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: I come back.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: This is the beauty of having an agent at the time.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: I don't think I had an age at the time,
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: and an agent's Danny Jobe. I come back and Celtic
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: went I'd only signed a year a month before, not
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: from a three year deal. I was like, obviously, I
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: I never even clicked to go. But somebody that told
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: them had inquired about me, and this day I don't
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: know who it was, but he'd asked me.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Who I was, what the script is.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: The one that got away? And then I am I
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: signed that three year deal? How long that that age?
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: My new The reserve team was even hard to get
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: into them because the boy didn't playing first team under
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: Martinel playing the reserve, so you'd like you're up againstvul
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Harmond that sometime to get in the reserve to yeah,
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: and then I went wanted Unde United come back for them,
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: and I was like, right, it was two thousand and five.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Martini had left the constract I had come in two
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: thousand and six. Sorry, of course I had had any
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: second year and I'd been loan and they had done
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: well Dunde and eighted and I come back and done
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: pre season playing shares testimonial Keen's testimonial, And was trying
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: to break into the first team at Celtic and I
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: wasn't an idiot away for pre season and you just felt.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Like the manager.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Then they fully believe in you. Probably rightly smokes, I
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: probably wasn't ready.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: And then.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: I'm nine twenty twenty.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: I played first team for six months and then I
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: see why I stay in that curve playing first team football.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: And then the chance for Celtic to sign neither lee
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: Ella come up and made you go to the Wolves
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: is a part of the deal.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: So it was twelve million.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: Plus lee Ella for me to go to the Wolves,
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: be playing for me.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: They paid six a grand from.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: I played when he was as bad, I'll stopped paying
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: for me and then off forly that joke.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: So I went down there Net obviously went to Wolves,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: so went Goldens tracking.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: He knew mc McCarthy fire Planet of the Fire, hard man,
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: no nonsense. But I swear by they who were mem
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: then turned me into somebody understood where it was to
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: be a professionalis I mean I remember going and playing
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: playing against Hall and Danny Mills was right back for
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: Holl was talking that's yesterday.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: First one reason it's like a quick fire coon. Hey,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: I get asked. Danny Mills just abused me for the
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: full forty five minutes.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: But he seeing the tunnel, He's fucking shitting hisself point
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: and I'm hanging going. How does he know he can
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: see right through me? Anyway, I get tear a hal
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: half time. I'm sure you can own it left back
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: at Hull, I'm sure you can on a halftime. Mt
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: macarthy put you on and potentially or maybe you were
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: playing right back and it was clapping it come on. Anyway.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: I had a bad field time there, but they failed.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: It was like one of them where you learned a lot.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: And then I went to South End on loan. So
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: South End on loan, came back to Wolves, signed for Aberdeen.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: That scored against Carlile for South End, so Aberdeen signed
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: me and I went there. Actually you went through Wolves
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: to Abledeen, didn't you must have just had left who
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: came from me about way to Alveledean and they spent
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: two years there, then saying that after eighty Celtic are.
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: You joined auble range? After I left a site I
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: lasted eight months. I had signed a two year lasted
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: eight months.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: I remember you leaving moved to go to Aberdeen. I
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: was sinking, lucky man, he's getting back up the road.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: I wasn't lucky one.
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: There was a nightmare because that when I was leaving Wolves,
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: I had agreed or two year day to go to Sydney. See,
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: I was ready to go away Australia and the big
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: terry butcher was some hands and got sacked. So that
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: fell through and I was about to sign way for it.
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: Not in forest coming. I'm sure I went there, but
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: I wanted to get back up the road. The family
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: didn't settled down there. I remember the house had the
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: house back in Edinburgh and they moved back after a year,
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: so I thought right, I tried to get to Hobs
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: when they take his joy.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: See, I've got a funny memory about you driving up
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: the road. It's my time house things stick made. You
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: know the song driving home. I used to play that
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: driving up the road and every time that comes on
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: now I think you drive.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Up to Wolves, remember it as a long drive.
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: When I murder, I mean I enjoyed, enjoy to be
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: back doing the first year was better, obviously, even though
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: I'd done my my a c l under Hoddle. But
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: Hoddle was Hoddle was good. I heard that it was
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: different in terms of the off the field, but on
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: the football stuff. He was way ahead age years.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: Was Mick.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: You know Mic is some New yorukction Mo and boxing
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: chain and all that and like no for me, but
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: I did. I came on the second bit with him
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: because I'd obviously been injured and I did play left
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: back under him.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: Michael mckindough it was now Edinburgh manager Kara.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Yep many years was a different senced.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: To come back. So I left when I was twenty
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: and I was back I was twenty four, twenty four.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: Better.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: I quicked different guy.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Different guy.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: I mean when I played the Wolves, when I first
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: come then to then to the guy that signed for
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: Aberdeen was a completely different character, changing back it Celtic
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: new Learning phone me in the March. I've done two
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: years that. Then I got a phone Coffee New when
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: the March number of dinner. When I went and answered
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: it in the Plethodre and they said, listen, don't don't
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: say it anywhere until you spoke to me in the summer.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: We're interested.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: I was. I said, I don't know if I'm getting
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: the job, but we'll see. He was intern at the time,
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: if you remember. He to go offrough Mowbray and he
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: had a good nine games or whatever. I'm watching every
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: game like desperate for me win. And then the summer came.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: My agent was then looking at different teams. I went
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: to meet Sheffield United chef United had finished eighth in
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: the championship. Much more ready to go back down there,
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: I felt, I was. I was a lot more established
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: than maybe nearly one hundred games agents at that point.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: Was Kevin Drinkle im before that I will not see
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: his name, but I don't need to. And the reason
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: ended up with Kevin Drinkle's because I had an agent
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: when I was at Wolves. He'd got who took me
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: to Wolves in that and then I was looking for
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: a loan move, and I was never a good time
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: at Wolves and my loan move was looking at League
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: onely two. What I've also says to him Alana was
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: pregnant at the time, and I says, can you get
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: me a Walsaw like it's just on the road, and
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: they'd phoned me in October. This was typical me when
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: he view training, fell asleep in the couch, but hoose
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: I stayed and had no phone signal and I woke up. Honestly,
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: I woke up at five past five or something. Gee,
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: So he stayed. I was like a big way and
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: he stay enviously trained sleep fossy blood times about three
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: or four, and I had it twenty miscals. I went
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Macarthy was strong with him so inside and I phoned
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: them when I had a signal, he was like it
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: was gone nuts. Walsall tried to get me a emergency
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: alone Ontoba, but the window shut at five five o'clock that.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Night, five past five.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Honestly, so looking the I remember Mit m Cathy saying
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: to me it was almost I remember, I'm saying to me,
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: you you meant that, That's what it felt like to me.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: But all I wanted was to go and play games.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: That sums me up.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: I fell asleep in the couch and I said, have
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: been sat at the training ground waiting for that window shut.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: And I even know it was the last day anyway,
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: So I'd said to me at the time, could you
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: get me wal socks? They wanted October. He phoned me back.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: He says, listen, you give me a favor and get
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: me Walsall's number. He said, I've got a page. I've
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: got a book with all the team's numbers in it,
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: and my W pages ripped it. I promise you, I
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: promise you. Like that's a lie, right, that's that's a
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: that's I went to let Joe what. I don't worry
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: about it. You're all good. So I hung the phone
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: up and I tell people, why don't believe me? Right?
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: I believe him?
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: Did you believe him?
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: The w page was no, No, didn't.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: They And even if it was right, even if Doug
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: dits W page, get the mumble, that's year job, you know.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: I was like, I said, that's fine, and I understood.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: I was in the value, have the time and that's fine.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: So ah, and then this other guy for me said,
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: would you go to South End. Stevie Hammill had just
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: left to go to morrow and this other guy phoned me,
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: called Scott Young, who's partner. Way, I says, I'll go
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: to South End. So for that moment I thought a
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: bit a lot towards him because he had actually got
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: and I went, I'll sign with him, A sign with him.
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Anyway, it was Kevin Drinkle that I was on holiday
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: in Turkey. I'd met Sheffield Gated. He said, they need
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: an answer, Kevin Blackwell once and answer. They finished date's
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: in the championship. I thought they've got a chance then
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: all right next year and I went, you know what,
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: I'm glad that showed a wee bit of balls. I went,
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: you're a wee bit of apprehensive you I play get
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: a bit of don't to be Yeah, it's still have
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: a step in the mart. I like, you know what.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: I'm phoning him. It's a phone Neil Lenning and it
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: just says it, am I I come about the same
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: chef generated they want an answer their pester. Maybe it's
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: something sniggling me inside, and he says, don't get it
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: so thin tours. Peter Love spoke to my agent and
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: it was done a Celtic. I was back to the pooling,
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: back to the pooling Turkey. Remember we boys to say,
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: I says the Alana says, say for Celtic. That's all
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: kind of kind of done. And I went back there
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: and it was although I couldn't be reviewed until a
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: decent name had come in the door and then underwhelmed
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: the fans by saying Charlie mcgrews signing the new lenin here.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: But I was in the care that I had signed
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: the contract. I was just happy to be back and
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: it must.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Have been buzzing though, because you don't you don't get
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: the got opportunities to crack the Celtic.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: I was a successful one for you as well.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: I was so bad.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: I was on personal levels, you win the team.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: I was buzzing.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: So when I went to I was lied to get
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: back up the road.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: That's a great feeling to get back up and the
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: family and that although it's still two and a half
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: was away every second week, you're doing their own ya.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: You feel like you're back up the road. To then
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: sign for Celtic, who had my team for being younger,
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: was to play for Celtic. You think that's maybe disappear
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: as you leave, and then it comes back for you.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: Right in the premier career, who was.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Still in the death rooms from the time he'd been
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: there was a still boys.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: There when I was first there. Oh mcghida was still there,
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: but he was He left a month or so later.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: He saw me when of the all met this fubsy
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: go in the right direction. I'm out. Borich was still there.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: He left obviously a couple of weeks late as well.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: He'd done the same. He went to Fontinas. We were
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: flying somewhere. He got a phone call on the airport.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: He left. Obviously Forest was there, but he was young,
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: but he'd have been really young when I was first there.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: That was that a lot of the staff in twenty
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: twelve was your best season minute.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: So then so I went back in twenty ten, summer
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: twenty eleven. So again people look at my careers and
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: and and go, oh, it's brilliant and everything's on the up,
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: and everything's success, and everything's they see the typical picture.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: You see the type of iceberg, but the amount of
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: failures underneath it and the amount of times you need
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: he got up to gear. That's trying to get there,
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: go back to Celtic Kings and I have a bad start.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: New Lennon phones me up and says, listen, I've got
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: your back, Like, don't worry, we believe in you. So
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: I trained my way back into the team and got
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: in the January and the team twenty ten eleven season
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: finished it strongly and I remember watching as a Gary
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: getting the Play of a Year sitting and ruining the
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: table the Player a Year awards and they played his
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: music and they played He's videoing on that, and I says,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: I was thinking, ill, I'd love that to me next year.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: And I was in the team. I was playing It's
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: less and a half started the season, was in the
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: team Kelvin Wilson. Levin's with the two cent and a half.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: So right away you're like, right, you're fighting your way
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: in even though you've you've ended. Is it probably one
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: of the main set of a half? I know the
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: main one? And then as a Geary breaks his leg
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: up at Aberdeen and I get pulling it left back
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: against Peter Pollett, who I was at Aberdeen when I
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: know he's quick, and I was like, done well, gaining
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: confidence and that wee things that happened like I traveled
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: back don for Aberdeen when he used to play the
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: game back on the screen and the bus watching it
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: and if you'd been beating by Cananes, but if you'd won,
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: he would be compliments. And I would sit near the
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: front of the bus and b group as it would
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: sit in the front, the near the front, and he
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: was saying some nice things that we met some pieces
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: and he just took confidence for that and for that
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: moment in and have left the team. And I've got
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: all the plenty of years that year sports writers and
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: never I so mental phil phils are co coming back
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: to them.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Good good dressing room amazing because.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I've obviously been a baby a few years. And that
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: were you, the the joker and the one.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: For asking me, I don't know it was me.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: Scott Brown, Joel Ledley, Chris Commons with Paddy mccott, Matt
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: Wilson with a Corra Scottish British Gary Hooper, they Daryl
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: Murffay at the startway. I mean I could go through
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: them all, but would I don't want to miss him
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: do it. But with such a great good group in
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: the January sign Luistic Adam Matthews is James Forrest is
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: in the in the building there at the time. Calm
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: is a young boy. He's he's nowhere near at this point.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: He might be a loan.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Because when we came through, I was fortunate enough.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: We but we had a good dress room for a
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: probably the last two or three years of my time
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: at Celtic. But I've seen that when I got away
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: with you guys. I'm a wee bit older than news,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: but I can see the chemistry. But yes, he's all
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: got one bell with I can envisage that dressing room
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: being a good.
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: Way to dressing them and all.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that must have been tough for young kids.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: I love that. Man, Well, it was tough, but I
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: loved it because my heroes.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: So it was like to just be able to clean
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: your books and take take abuse for you. It was
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: an honor.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: So I mean, that's it's mental, but that's that's that's
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: how I felt. So it was brilliant. I had to
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: be involved in it and amongst that, and i'd go
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: back and I remember end of the season, but we've
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: got all your gear, so your gear you should love
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: for the full season. I would take about ten bin
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: bags back to the house and dish the book to
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: family and.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: People are thinking about len it's to me.
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: People then.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: Oh midget no, but to sign back and get an opportunity.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: It was I can imagine amazing.
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: So now you're doing the golf in your podcast. So
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: we were talking about before you came in there.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, First of all, it was a
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: no shown. It was just after your holiday, so we
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: were teeing off it quarters past four.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: I've woke up at one o'clock said I'm not going
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: to make.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: Us just back for my holiday, Just get in my bed.
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: I played more that day than the whole year, that's honestly,
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: but the worst I got in terms of paying my
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: back going and everything.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Golf get better, My.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: Golf get better. How do you work that? That's mental.
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: But we were saying before it there, I was were
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: talking about you getting you be brocated for the first time.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: Seen that yesterday Monday, double bogie, the last Buddy, the
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: double bogie, the second last Buddy, the last.
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: There's a few golf people were saying, your ting, you stick,
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: don't you scratch? And people we know love watching your swing.
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: He said, your swing getting to have doubts. I think
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: that's good for you because you're like playing people wrong. Yeah,
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: and if a student swimming cat, I don't know you
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: ever played golf, and I'm cat candied. You can't candy
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: used to slaughter me. I wasn't allowed on certain courses.
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: Cat candles are not allowed and this, of course, but
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: I'm cat candied.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I'm as professionals that have cat candied.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: Put the boy John Galla, Barry Bannon's cat candy and
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: I'll forget that. It plays half a summer single figures?
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: Is he single single figures?
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: And my son's cat.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: Candy as well.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: You determined to get that.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: I'm determined to get that. I've started practicing recently. Something
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: doesn't really be you know the tube thing you see
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: people with a bag on it.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: I'm doing with that with the.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: Dogs, hitting, hitting shots, chipman putting. I'm I'm desperate.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: That's a big big bit of the chipping and putting
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: is the that will get you eye?
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: I think so. I think the short game will get
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: you there because you make my soul dream. But you
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: can get up and down and save yourself parsing and
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: that you'll get there.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: There was your seventy nine What did you.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: Play Lensy, which your home course, home course. I know
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: inside out it's a sixty nine, so it was ten
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: over still but ilighted, I mean that's a I was delayed,
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: so I didn't count my score. I haind this secret.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: Don't count the score, don't it's half Go to the
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: sixteenth and I started to check it, and I went,
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to see the game playing because it
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: was actually a business meeting I was having in terms
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: of he was trying to get me go to Markesty,
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: plague off whatever. But anyway, I love myself, but I'm
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: no saying to him, but I can't help myself. Going
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: to seventeenth sixteenth seventeenth teen, I says, I've got my
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: best scoring. But yeah, day, I went left stuffed into
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: the bunker.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: I took a hat in the bunker. I hit my
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: fourth hoot the bunker and I putted in for a fire.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: I went, oh no, I went, I grabbed my bag
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: and I went Budy in the last and Budy in
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: the last five five would eight iron But I was
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: the lighteenth so best.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: I feeling my next one.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to get under twenty five, but I'm under
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: no illusion I'm playing in the program senior program at
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: Trump Aberdeen and then nineteenth this month and last year
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: I made and asked my cell like this crowd's not there.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: You're signing autographs like you're walking.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: By, you're your comforts.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: I walk by people last ye're saying stuff. I know
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: they're the fans, but I've watched you play golf. Fortunate
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: thing hangs through the green. You're asking the profile, you're
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: asking the pro sign and they're asking you to sign something.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: You're like, I've just puttied for seven y this my
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: face is beat right here. I remember I remember standing
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: at green said the green last year and I was like,
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: there was a crowd went silent. You know the guy's
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: got the hanging on that and I'm like, and you
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: know what, you know you're going to fuck it. I
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: just thinned it through it and I did walk over
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: my caddies, moving one in advertisement board, swacking chip back.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: It would be.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: To borizing, but I I'm the golf Channel'm loving it.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: It's good. I'm loving playing golf and just doing media
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: stuff and that I am bring you happy it brilliant.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: You've been a brilliant guest and get your back on
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: when you hit scratch.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: Yep, what age will we be there?
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: We could be get wieled.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: I could be getting willed