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Murder In Moscow: Two Former FBI Agents Discuss The Murders In Moscow · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: And welcome back to the program. As we continue to
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  Speaker 1: make our way through this horrendous scene up in Moscow, Idaho,
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  Speaker 1: we're hearing from a whole bunch of people from around
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  Speaker 1: the country who have been involved in law enforcement, FBI, profilers,
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  Speaker 1: who have an opinion on what might have went down here.
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  Speaker 1: And recently we were talking about what Jim Clement had
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  Speaker 1: to say and how he thought it was a targeted
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  Speaker 1: attack and how the person was a younger person, right?
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  Speaker 1: Somebody who might have saw these people, were enamored with
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  Speaker 1: one of these girls, perhaps, and targeted them for an attack. Well,
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  Speaker 1: in this episode, we're going to hear from two former
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  Speaker 1: FBI directors who have a different opinion on what went down.
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  Speaker 1: And according to them, they're going to need, meaning the
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  Speaker 1: police in Moscow, they're going to need a lot more
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  Speaker 1: tips from the public if they're going to crack this case. So,
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  Speaker 1: let's get into this article from Fox News and let's
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  Speaker 1: see what these two guys have come up with. Headline, Moscow,
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  Speaker 1: Idaho police need more tips to crack quadruple murder case
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  Speaker 1: ex-FBI officials say. Idaho authorities held a press conference on
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday afternoon. This article was authored by Charles Kreetz. Idaho
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  Speaker 1: authorities investigating the quadruple murders at the University of Idaho
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  Speaker 1: in Moscow will need more public tips to crack the case.
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  Speaker 1: Two former FBI assistant directors told Fox News on Wednesday.
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  Speaker 1: So we're not talking about your run-of-the-mill agent here. Two ex-directors,
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  Speaker 1: probably guys that have an idea about how cases like
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  Speaker 1: this go. So whenever I see people like this commenting
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  Speaker 1: on what's going on, I like to add that to
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  Speaker 1: the catalog for sure. Even if I don't agree with
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  Speaker 1: them or I don't think that they're on target, they
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  Speaker 1: obviously know a lot more than I do. Officials used
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  Speaker 1: a lot of words to make a much more simple point.
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  Speaker 1: Former deputy of the criminal division, Chris Wecker, told Fox
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  Speaker 1: News moments following authorities' press conference on Wednesday, 10 days
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  Speaker 1: after the slayings. There was a lot of filler there,
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  Speaker 1: but what I took away was they need more tips
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  Speaker 1: and leads. They need information from the public, he said.
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  Speaker 1: And that's usually how it works out, right? Inevitably, it's
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  Speaker 1: the public who gives a tip or two and it
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  Speaker 1: leads to an arrest usually. Now, does that mean it'll
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  Speaker 1: happen here? Of course not. But I felt the same way, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: coming away from that press conference. I felt like they
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  Speaker 1: really didn't have much. Now, I could be completely off,
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  Speaker 1: but I really felt like they didn't have too much
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  Speaker 1: to go on yet. And now that could be because
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  Speaker 1: they're waiting for the test to come back, DNA tests,
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that. They might have somebody in their sights,
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  Speaker 1: but they're waiting to corroborate all of the test results.
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  Speaker 1: So that's certainly a possibility. I'm just going on my perception.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to need an assist to break this case
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  Speaker 1: because what they have is a lot of forensic evidence.
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  Speaker 1: They've done a lot of interviews. And this idea that
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  Speaker 1: somebody was specifically targeted in a very personal way It
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  Speaker 1: just isn't panning out right now. And again, look, we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about assistant directors at the FBI, not somebody sitting
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  Speaker 1: on a message board with Cheeto stained hands. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to defer to people who have been involved in
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  Speaker 1: these sorts of investigations before and have actually, you know,
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  Speaker 1: some experience behind the scenes, because if I call a
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  Speaker 1: plumber in, I'm going to listen to what the plumber
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  Speaker 1: has to say. I don't know how to unclog the pipes, right?
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  Speaker 1: So when we're going through these articles, I try to
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  Speaker 1: find the articles that are going to be worthwhile and
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  Speaker 1: the articles where we might get an opinion that might
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  Speaker 1: be interesting for all of us who are following this case.
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  Speaker 1: And considering we've heard a lot about it being targeted,
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  Speaker 1: I thought that this point of view would certainly be
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  Speaker 1: a good addition as well. Because if we're being honest
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  Speaker 1: and we're being real, we don't know what's going on
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  Speaker 1: here yet. Now, the investigators obviously have a lot more
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  Speaker 1: than we do. When I say we, I'm talking about
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  Speaker 1: the general public. Swecker said officials have conducted more than
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  Speaker 1: 100 interviews seeking suspects or leads, adding that in typical situations,
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  Speaker 1: at least one of those individuals would have picked up
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  Speaker 1: on whether someone they know might have had the animosity
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  Speaker 1: to murder the college students in their home. And this
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  Speaker 1: is the million-dollar question for me. Do they have somebody
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  Speaker 1: in their sights behind the scenes? And they just don't
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  Speaker 1: want to tip them off that they know that they're
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  Speaker 1: involved or that they did this? Or are they at
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  Speaker 1: a loss? And they went through all of these interviews
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  Speaker 1: and they're nowhere closer to finding somebody that might have
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  Speaker 1: had a gripe against these college kids. Because you don't
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  Speaker 1: just do this unless you're a psychopath. But you don't just,
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  Speaker 1: you know, murder somebody. There has to be a reason, right?
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  Speaker 1: And that's what we're talking about if it's targeted. But
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  Speaker 1: if it's some kind of random psychopath, all bets are
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  Speaker 1: off at that point. This didn't just happen. There's a
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  Speaker 1: lead up to it if it's that personal, he said.
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  Speaker 1: Former Deputy Assistant FBI Director Danny Coulson later added it
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  Speaker 1: is sometimes better for authorities to say very little publicly
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  Speaker 1: to avoid potentially revealing investigation strategy. And that's what I
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  Speaker 1: said in the previous article earlier. I was talking about
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  Speaker 1: how if you have nothing to add to the conversation,
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  Speaker 1: as far as an investigator, the best idea is just
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  Speaker 1: be quiet. You can have some digital releases, you know,
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  Speaker 1: have someone type something up about what's going on, but
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  Speaker 1: mum's the word. Unless you have something to share with
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  Speaker 1: the public, something concrete, something, you know, with some context,
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  Speaker 1: then of course have the press conference and bring what
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  Speaker 1: you know or what you're willing to share to the public.
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  Speaker 1: But short of that, I don't see the reason to
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  Speaker 1: have a press conference if you have nothing to go on.
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  Speaker 1: This is going to be solved by a tip or
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  Speaker 1: by forensic evidence that's gathered at the scene, he said.
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  Speaker 1: The FBI's evidence response team is the best in the world.
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  Speaker 1: This is a horrible crime scene. It's going to be
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  Speaker 1: very difficult to sort out all the different blood samples.
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  Speaker 1: And another thing that's interesting... With as many people that
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  Speaker 1: come and go to this house, is it going to
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  Speaker 1: be hard for them to collect DNA? And then you
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  Speaker 1: add on top of that how the crime scene was
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  Speaker 1: absolutely contaminated by all of the people showing up for
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  Speaker 1: the 911 call. And these investigators, they have their work
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  Speaker 1: cut out for them, right? It's not an easy job
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  Speaker 1: what they're dealing with here. And, you know, we might
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  Speaker 1: have a situation where the subject actually wounded himself. And
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  Speaker 1: that would be a good thing. Because then we would
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  Speaker 1: have his blood, his DNA, and we can work from there.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the holy grail. If they can get some
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  Speaker 1: of that DNA and be able to match it up
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  Speaker 1: with somebody that they end up arresting for this or
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  Speaker 1: bringing in, that'll solidify the conviction and that'll be basically
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  Speaker 1: a slam dunk for them. Coulson disagreed with the belief
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  Speaker 1: the killings were targeted. The idea this is targeted? I
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  Speaker 1: don't see this as targeted. I don't see that at all,
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  Speaker 1: he said. However, Coulson pointed out, it is wise if
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  Speaker 1: police are saying, if the police are playing close to
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  Speaker 1: the vest, on some of the details of the investigation.
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  Speaker 1: And that's always the caveat, right? They definitely know more
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  Speaker 1: than us, but how much more do they know? And
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  Speaker 1: I just get worried with the local police forces, not
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  Speaker 1: because I find them to be bad people or incompetent
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  Speaker 1: human beings, but they're not capable of dealing with situations
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  Speaker 1: like this. We're talking about a place that hasn't had
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  Speaker 1: a murder in seven years. You mean to tell me
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  Speaker 1: they have good murder police here? Go to a place
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  Speaker 1: like Baltimore where they have really good murder police and
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  Speaker 1: look at what their clearance rate is. It's not great.
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  Speaker 1: And those guys are some of the best in the world.
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  Speaker 1: So you go to a place like Moscow with something
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  Speaker 1: like this and then you look at the crime scene
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  Speaker 1: that was obviously contaminated and you look at some of
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  Speaker 1: the things that were done in the first 48 hours
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  Speaker 1: or in the golden hours and it doesn't really look
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  Speaker 1: so great. But hopefully there is some stuff going on
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes and they're a lot further along than
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  Speaker 1: we know. I think that's what everybody wants, right? People
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  Speaker 1: might argue about this, that or the other thing or particulars.
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  Speaker 1: But really, anyone who is worth their weight in salt,
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  Speaker 1: they want justice here. University of Idaho students Ethan Chapin,
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  Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves, Zanna Kernodle, and Madison Mogan were stabbed several
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  Speaker 1: times and killed in the early morning hours of November 13th,
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  Speaker 1: officials have said. Police have not identified any suspects. Moscow
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  Speaker 1: police received a call shortly before noon on November 13th
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  Speaker 1: for a report of an unconscious person at the King
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  Speaker 1: Road home. Several other people had gathered at the crime
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  Speaker 1: scene by the time police arrived, officials said. And of course,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to, you know, revisit what happened that day.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't there. But there's no doubt that some of
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  Speaker 1: the evidence was contaminated by having all of these people
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  Speaker 1: over there for that 911 call. Investigators determined that all
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  Speaker 1: four were likely stabbed in their sleep sometime between 3 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: and 4 a.m. after they had returned home from a
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  Speaker 1: night out. Some of the victims appeared to have tried
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  Speaker 1: to defend themselves. Look, folks, I want to bring as
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  Speaker 1: many perspectives as we possibly can to the table so
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  Speaker 1: that you folks have as much context as possible. And
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  Speaker 1: when we have ex-FBI assistant directors and directors and profilers
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  Speaker 1: talking about the case, I'm definitely going to add those
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  Speaker 1: episodes to the catalog. So here's where we're at. And
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  Speaker 1: as the day goes on and more information becomes available,
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  Speaker 1: we'll certainly be adding that to the catalog as well.
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  Speaker 1: All right, everybody, that's going to do it for this one.
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