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After series loss to Cubs, is it time for Cardinals to make rotation changes? · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Live from Chicago at Sunday Night, and the Saint Louis
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals just got flat out embarrassed on national television. They
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  Speaker 1: were steamrolled by the Chicago Cubs eleven to nothing on
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  Speaker 1: ESPN Sunday Night Baseball here at Wrigley Fields. And usually
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  Speaker 1: on this show, I tend to try to bring a
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  Speaker 1: calm overall approach.
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  Speaker 2: Bernie. Maybe you're a little bit more wild up.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if we're going to have like a rehearsal
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  Speaker 1: today because what we saw in Chicago to end the
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  Speaker 1: series this way, to drop the finale, I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: was just flat out embarrassing. It was a bad loss
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  Speaker 1: for the Saint Louis Cardinals. Welcome back to Cardinal Territory, Katie.
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  Speaker 1: Bernie here with you, wrapping up a rather disappointing home
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  Speaker 1: road trip. Excuse me, that started out with so much
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  Speaker 1: promise and now here we are seeing the Cardinals really
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  Speaker 1: stumble through the first week of July. Bernie, your takeaways
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  Speaker 1: from the series, especially tonight.
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  Speaker 2: It was a non competitive game from the jump.
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  Speaker 3: I was really disappointed in that because listen, they had
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  Speaker 3: no chance to win Friday after Miles Michaeliss gave up
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  Speaker 3: eighteen home runs or whatever it was. But their offense
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  Speaker 3: didn't do anything in that game either. And then Saturday
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  Speaker 3: an inspirational win, I mean, a great, great comeback win, fantastic,
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  Speaker 3: and you thought that maybe that would they'd ride a
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  Speaker 3: wave into tonight. And I tell you what, they took
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  Speaker 3: some really good at bats against Matthew Boyd early, so
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  Speaker 3: they had an opportunity to score runs and keep some
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  Speaker 3: pressure or put some pressure on the.
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  Speaker 4: Cubs, but they didn't do it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the offense once again just just completely just
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  Speaker 3: completely what's the word, I don't want to use an
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  Speaker 3: impolite word, but you know, just completely failing with runners
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  Speaker 3: in scoring position.
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  Speaker 4: And so whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Chance they had to win that game, the offense was
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  Speaker 3: going to have to come through because frankly, you know,
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  Speaker 3: going into the series, Katie I had very little faith
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  Speaker 3: that they would win either start made by Michaels Fetti,
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  Speaker 3: I really did, so this had to be you know,
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  Speaker 3: they had to hope to get Fetti like a couple
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  Speaker 3: of you know, three or four decent innings and then
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  Speaker 3: get out of there. But maybe maybe it's a two
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  Speaker 3: two three two game at that time, but it never happened.
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  Speaker 3: He was bad again. He looked like he had no
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  Speaker 3: confidence and then the michaelst thing was just an embarrassment
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  Speaker 3: to everybody.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, very very disappointing weekend.
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  Speaker 3: But primarily because they were a no show tonight after
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  Speaker 3: what they did yesterday. And I you know, for all
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  Speaker 3: this talk, and I think you alluded to this. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry to monopolize the time here, but I think
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  Speaker 3: you alluded to this in your game story off of
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  Speaker 3: the blowout Friday. You know, listen, these guys all talk
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  Speaker 3: about Ali talks about it. You know, it's a tough schedule.
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  Speaker 3: Our guys are tired, we're tired. All we're going to
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  Speaker 3: get to Chicago. We're gonna have a day off, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and we'll be recharged and all this stuff.
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  Speaker 4: No, they weren't.
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  Speaker 3: They were flat. They were flat Friday, they were flat tonight.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't get it. I don't know what's up.
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  Speaker 3: But it's not a good look. It's pretty much anywhere
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  Speaker 3: you want to go on the ball club, it's not
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  Speaker 3: a good look right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And this will be a two part episode.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk about the rotation, particularly Eric Fetti the first half,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll talk about the offense or lack thereof in
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  Speaker 1: the second half. But I'm with you, Bernie Friday, that
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  Speaker 1: just sucked. That was a shitty game. Got to see
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  Speaker 1: the mystery though. I've never seen aiight homer in the
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  Speaker 1: game before. Never happened for the Cubs and never happened
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  Speaker 1: for the Cardinals in terms of surrending that many home runs.
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  Speaker 2: But I love Saturday's game.
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  Speaker 1: It was a grind Lebby didn't have it and for
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  Speaker 1: the team to come through there and keep battling in
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  Speaker 1: a big swing from Poso, I totally agree. The series
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  Speaker 1: feels much more disappointing because after such a fun win
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  Speaker 1: and an inspiring win on Saturday, they were completely out
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  Speaker 1: of it. And yes they just Matthew boys did all
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  Speaker 1: start right. We know that, so congratulations to him and
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  Speaker 1: Brendan Donovan. But yeah, they had competitive evats. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: matter when your starting pitcher can only record four outs
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  Speaker 1: and just doesn't have it again from the very start
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  Speaker 1: of this game. That's three in a row. We'll get
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  Speaker 1: to Eric Fetti, trust me, and what the Cardinals are
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  Speaker 1: going to do with that. But I thought this was
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  Speaker 1: just so disappointing because you want to see a team
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  Speaker 1: take advantage of that momentum.
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  Speaker 2: You know, these games matter.
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  Speaker 1: You know, how you play in July is when it dictate, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: the rest of your season trajectory, whether you buy or
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  Speaker 1: sell at the trade deadline. And it was it felt
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  Speaker 1: to me like the worst loss I've seen them play
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  Speaker 1: this year. It was super, super disappointing to go out
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  Speaker 1: there and just get smoked by your rivals.
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  Speaker 2: I was with you, too, Bernie.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't feel super confident about either Miles or Fetti
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  Speaker 1: taking the start, just based on where they had been
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  Speaker 1: over their past few starts.
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  Speaker 2: And it makes me.
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  Speaker 1: Wonder if there was a way to restructure if guys
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  Speaker 1: when guys were pitching, I know, I got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of comments about, you know, why isn't setting great facing
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  Speaker 1: the Cups.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair. I get it.
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  Speaker 1: You want your ace on your best team. It's also
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  Speaker 1: important to remember that some pitchers are creatures of routine.
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  Speaker 1: Sunny Gray's routine is super important, and if you take
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  Speaker 1: him off that schedule, you might not get the same
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  Speaker 1: Sunny Gray that you would have. Changing a schedule is
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  Speaker 1: a two way street, so it can't just be the
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals making that decision. The picture has to be opened
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  Speaker 1: to it as well, I'm not saying he is or isn't.
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  Speaker 1: That's just my understanding that the situation is sunny likes
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  Speaker 1: a routine. Could you bring in someone like a Michael McGreevey. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Here's a comment that we heard from John Mosellla on Friday,
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  Speaker 1: who I thought actually did a very nice job in
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  Speaker 1: being candid, and he said a lot of things where
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  Speaker 1: if you read between the lines, you don't know exactly
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  Speaker 1: what direction he's going. We asked, where the heck is
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  Speaker 1: Michael mcgreeby, And if you missed that episode, we just
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  Speaker 1: had mcgreeby on Friday at the last episode of Cardinal Territory.
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  Speaker 1: He was really good, and but John Mozellelac said, Michael
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  Speaker 1: McGreevey is a major league picture.
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  Speaker 2: There's just not a spot open.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just wondering, like I wonder if there's anyone
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  Speaker 1: here that at the authority to change that, because there
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  Speaker 1: are spots open for him at this point. And Bernie,
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  Speaker 1: dump into I think what we really need to be
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  Speaker 1: talking about the cardinals need to make some rotation changes
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  Speaker 1: and it starts with McGreevy.
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  Speaker 2: All right, so we just came up.
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  Speaker 1: I'm recording this quick very pretty much right after we
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  Speaker 1: did our postgame session with Ali Marmal and Eric Fetti,
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  Speaker 1: and it was asked what the next steps are for
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  Speaker 1: Eric Fetty, and I'll just go ahead and show the
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  Speaker 1: quote here and I will read it as well.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Alli.
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  Speaker 1: Marmal said, we'll use tomorrow as an off day to
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  Speaker 1: take a step back and figure out what that looks like.
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  Speaker 2: He has to find a solution to what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: Continuing to go down this road doesn't seem beneficial at
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  Speaker 1: the moment, So that to me is pretty clear as day.
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  Speaker 1: The Cardinals will reassess the rotation and if Eric Betty
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  Speaker 1: will take his final.
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  Speaker 2: Start on the off day on Monday.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, he is currently scheduled to start July twelfth,
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  Speaker 1: that is the Saturday Day game against the Braves, the
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  Speaker 1: day before the All star Break. Michael McGreevey is eligible.
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  Speaker 1: As we werecalled off from Memphis on July tenth, it
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  Speaker 1: would be very easy to swap the two. It is
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion that they should be doing this, even
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  Speaker 1: if it's not a permanent change. Eric Fetty is lost
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  Speaker 1: right now. He made that very queer in his post game.
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  Speaker 1: I want to commend him for going out and vote
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  Speaker 1: him and Miles. I know Cardinals fans don't really care
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  Speaker 1: about this. I get it, but I think they both
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  Speaker 1: felt a responsibility to stick up there and talk to
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  Speaker 1: the media and relay their message to the fans about
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  Speaker 1: their poor performances. And Eric Fetty did a nice job
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  Speaker 1: of saying, yeah, this is impacted me mentally too.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on. They're a no excuses
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  Speaker 2: for it. Obviously it sucks.
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  Speaker 1: But when a pitcher doesn't know what's going on and
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  Speaker 1: it starts to impact him mentally, you need to give
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  Speaker 1: him a break. So I'm in the movement, Bernie. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure you are too. I don't think Eric Fetty should
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  Speaker 1: be that last start. I think you should see what
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  Speaker 1: Magreeedy can do here.
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  Speaker 3: No, they got to get him out of there, and
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  Speaker 3: they've got to figure something out.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, I'm gonna get off.
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  Speaker 3: I'm actually not off topic, but I just want another
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  Speaker 3: layer to this is. Of course, you know, John Mosaic
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  Speaker 3: made the decision to hold on Eric Fetty, and let's
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  Speaker 3: face it, that turned out to be a disaster.
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  Speaker 4: I argued, and I was hardly alone.
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  Speaker 3: Many many, many people argued or made the point that listen,
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  Speaker 3: if you let him go into the season, there's two
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  Speaker 3: things can happen.
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  Speaker 4: He'll either get.
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  Speaker 3: Hurt or his performance will deteriorate. Well, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 3: glad he hasn't gotten hurt. Wouldn't wish that on anybody.
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  Speaker 3: But his performance has absolutely deteriorated. So I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what trade value he has. I think it'd be a
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  Speaker 3: team trying to take a lottery ticket. But this whole
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  Speaker 3: this entire trade, by the way, which I liked at
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  Speaker 3: the time, I'm not going to be a hypocrite. This
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  Speaker 3: this whole thing turned out really bad for the Cardinals,
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  Speaker 3: and Fetti has just lost it. But Katie, if you
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  Speaker 3: don't mind me the sort of break, you know, breaking
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  Speaker 3: the parameters a little bit. They have two rotation problems
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  Speaker 3: because Miles Michaels is done too. And this frustrates me
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  Speaker 3: on so many levels because every time you you write
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  Speaker 3: a good piece about the trade deadline, and we all
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  Speaker 3: talk about this conversations all the time, what should they do?
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  Speaker 4: What should they do?
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  Speaker 3: Like John mose Like made a comment in your story
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  Speaker 3: about like, oh, so starting pitching has been solid. No,
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  Speaker 3: actually it hasn't been. There's been a couple of guys
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  Speaker 3: that have been solid. Michael List and Fetti have been
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  Speaker 3: a disaster. If you go back to May the twentieth,
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  Speaker 3: let me just give you this one stat.
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  Speaker 4: Let me give you this one stat.
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  Speaker 3: In seventeen starts since May the twentieth, those two guys
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  Speaker 3: have an era. Well, yeah, those two guys have a
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  Speaker 3: combined ERA of six point sixty seven. They've given up
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  Speaker 3: twenty homers. That's in seventeen starts, right. The rest of
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  Speaker 3: the rotation during that same time has got a three
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  Speaker 3: point nine. Oh e. Ra Gray has been good, Libby's
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  Speaker 3: been pretty good. Pat Polonte's made a nice bounce back mcgravy,
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  Speaker 3: but you give you give him a pass because he's
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  Speaker 3: just getting started. So you have a situation.
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  Speaker 4: Here where.
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  Speaker 3: You you know, they they they say they're gonna they're
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  Speaker 3: trying to win. It's a runway season. But as time
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  Speaker 3: goes on, this is July, we got to see where
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  Speaker 3: we are. They're they're basically saying, we got to try
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  Speaker 3: to win, you know, if we if we want to
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  Speaker 3: stay in this thing, we got to win.
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  Speaker 4: But then maybe we'll think about making a trade. Maybe not.
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  Speaker 4: You know, how can you if I'm not mistaken?
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  Speaker 3: You know, in the seventeen starts that I talked about
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  Speaker 3: with these two guys, the Cardinals are like five and twelve,
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  Speaker 3: and it's not all their fault. There were some of
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  Speaker 3: those games where they didn't score much. But what so
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  Speaker 3: I I'm perplexed by all.
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  Speaker 4: This, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not like if you dfa Miles Michaelis. It's
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  Speaker 3: like you save money or or it costs you more.
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  Speaker 3: That salary he's getting this year has already been paid for.
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  Speaker 3: It's a guaranteed salary. Betty doesn't make all that much anyway.
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  Speaker 3: But I just don't, you know, I don't I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what his trade value will be. So do you
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  Speaker 3: just have to eat that? I don't know, And I
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  Speaker 3: know what they're saying. You know that, you know, Moe
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  Speaker 3: said it again to you. He says it to everybody
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  Speaker 3: else too. It's like, well, you know one of the
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  Speaker 3: reasons they don't bring McGreevy up, and you know, we
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  Speaker 3: want to see him up here, but it's like, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we don't. There's nothing behind him at Memphis.
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  Speaker 3: And it's just it seems like a strange way to
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  Speaker 3: look at things because number one, this rotation has been
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  Speaker 3: healthy all season. You know, it's not like they have injuries.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there's any like there's they've got reason to
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  Speaker 3: think that like this big set of injuries.
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  Speaker 4: Is imminent at any minute.
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  Speaker 3: They've had a really, really healthy rotation. That's number one
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  Speaker 3: and number two. You know, this is one of the
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  Speaker 3: consequences of the Cardinals being cheap last off season because
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  Speaker 3: some of the some of the teams that have good
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  Speaker 3: starting pitching depth, they signed what you would call quadruple
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  Speaker 3: A pitchers, you know, veteran guys trying to get their
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  Speaker 3: form back. They'll sign a minor league deal, you put
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  Speaker 3: him in bemfit. They did none of that, So this
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  Speaker 3: is their own fault. And I don't look listen, I'll
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  Speaker 3: shut up after this. I don't know how anyone can
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  Speaker 3: take the Cardinals seriously when they have Eric Fetti and
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  Speaker 3: Miles Michael List in the rotation. How can you even
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  Speaker 3: take that team seriously?
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  Speaker 4: I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I just love it. I think we're going to go
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: back and forth on rams here.
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  Speaker 1: This is going to be good because you're what is
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  Speaker 1: so frustrating here as we switched to this topic, which
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  Speaker 1: the answer to this topic bar is a time for
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  Speaker 1: Michael mcgreeby full time is yes, it's been time.
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  Speaker 2: It's so frustrating.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll go back to this quote from Mo he
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  Speaker 1: said about mcgreeby when he's pitched in the big leagues,
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  Speaker 1: every time he's got the ball, he's pitched really well. Thankfully,
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  Speaker 1: he's a very patient, good guy. He's tolerating this well.
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  Speaker 1: The Cardinals shouldn't be tolerating this anymore. I for more
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  Speaker 1: to say that John Michael McGreevy is a major league
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  Speaker 1: pitcher and there are no spots for him. I firmly,
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  Speaker 1: firmly disagree, and I understand what the organization was thinking
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  Speaker 1: in March and April. That was the right call to
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  Speaker 1: put McGreevy in triple A to protect your depth, especially
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  Speaker 1: during the early month of the season's or the early
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  Speaker 1: months of the season excuse me, where pitching injuries are
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  Speaker 1: the most prevalent.
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  Speaker 2: I get it.
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  Speaker 1: It's an organization's basic responsibility to preserve its depth. It's
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  Speaker 1: also an organization's basic responsibility to ensure that you have
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  Speaker 1: enough protection. And the Cardinals did not have close to
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  Speaker 1: enough protection from a Triple A level to cover Memphis
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that if something happened in the major
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  Speaker 1: league level they would be okay. McGreevy was their only
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  Speaker 1: source of protection, so they had to use in this way.
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  Speaker 1: That's a fault of their own. That made sense in
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  Speaker 1: April and May, and a little bit in June. It's
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  Speaker 1: July sixth. Your season is hinging on how this team plays.
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  Speaker 1: In July, your whole of this season was we need
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  Speaker 1: to find out who we can build around. We want
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  Speaker 1: the young guys to have some performance and see who
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  Speaker 1: can help the team. Michael mcbreeby is your third best pitcher.
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  Speaker 1: He has been all season, regardless of where he's played.
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  Speaker 1: He's played most of the season in Memphis. He is
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  Speaker 1: still in Memphis right now, and he should not be.
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  Speaker 1: It is no longer April. You're no longer covering depth. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: you're weighing a risk a little bit if you bring
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  Speaker 1: him up because you clearly don't see any of your
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  Speaker 1: options in TRIAA other than him as serviceable. That is
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  Speaker 1: your own fault as an organization. It's time to have
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  Speaker 1: agreevy up here, and I mean Eric Fetti and Miles
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: Michael's too. But i've Eric Fetty's stats available right in
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: front of me right now. His last three outings sixteen
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: e runs over ten innings. The Cardinals have lost those
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: games by a collective score of twenty.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Six to nothing.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Bernie, and the organization keeps trotting someone who is clearly
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: not right out there, and.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: They have a better solution for short term and.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Long term in Triple A right now, He's our twenty
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: twenty one first round pick.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: No organization treats their first round pick like that. What
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: are we doing?
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: McGreevy should take this start coming up next weekend.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: There's no doubt about it.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can make the case they should have
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: they should have gone with that earlier. But I do
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: understand it in a way because Miles Michaelis was pitching
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: pretty well up until late May, so I can get that.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: But this thing all just went to hell in June,
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: and they they're very, very slow to react. At some point,
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: they should have either moved Fetti aside skip, have him
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: skip a couple starts, have michael'ski skip a couple starts.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: And that's a way to get you know, Fetti excuse me,
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: that's a way to get McGreevy up here, at least
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: more than they have in the past. But this is
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: what happens when you go into a season where you're
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: really undecided. You know, you're like the undecided voter in
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: an election. I always I can't stand here in about
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: undecided voter because it's like, you got to know who
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: you're going to vote for already. You know, what are
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: you waffling about? So the Cardinals are waffling, they're the
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: undecided voter. It's like, well, we got the runway. Oh,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: we want to give opportunities to young players. We'll oh,
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: we got to see what our young guys can do,
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: except for Michael McGreevy, you know, because we're gonna keep
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: two older guys to have nothing left.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: It just makes no sense, you know, Oh, we think
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: we can win.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: You know, Moa was kind of make dropping you know,
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: hints or suggestions back in spring training, and we think
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: we can be pretty good.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: We think we can have a good team. We think
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: we can be entertaining.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Uh. He was basically also saying, you know, we think
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: we can make the playoffs. He didn't say it dearly,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: but that that's what he was intimating. And it's like, well,
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: how can you do that when you have two guys
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: in your rotation that are pulling the whole thing down
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: and whenever the way they're pitching now when they go
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: to the mounta, it's all it's just about a guaranteed loss.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: If it's not guaranteed, you know, the odds are very much,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: very very very much against you winning the game. They've
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: become a Both of those guys are a huge liability.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: They should have DFA Michaels. Uh Saturday morning. But I
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: guess they're going to show him some respect. But he listen,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: he's most guy, you know, So Mo's not going to
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: DFA Michaels.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: Michaels has had. Michaels has had. You talk about leading
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: a charm.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Life, right, John Mozeligan is a contract extension that turned
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: out to be really bad. And when in any other
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: organization with d F a guy like that, based on
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: the fact, he hasn't been good.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: He was not good in twenty three.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: He wasn't he was worse than twenty four, and he's
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: even worse this year.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Why is he still here because you?
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because you made a bad contract decision, and you
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: you you won't acknowledge that your decision was a total failure.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Well what does that do for your manager, who fans
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: want to blame for everything? What does that do for
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: the other players in the clubhouse? You know, when you're sticking,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: When you're sticking with two people who fail repeatedly, how
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: can you How can you expect anybody to take you
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: seriously when you basically imply that you're, oh, yeah, we're
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: trying to win. How can any want to take you
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: have no credibility, You have very little left because some
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: of the other guys.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: Are doing very well.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: But I don't know, man, As you can tell, I'm
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: pretty jacked up about this.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I know we made we made a pact to not
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: be super emotional, and here we are both like pretty
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: annoyed about the whole situation.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: See because because because I had to bring Michael List
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: in too, you know, so anyway, But it's true, man.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: It's not and By the way, it's nothing personal. These
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: guys don't want to be bad. I know that they
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: feel terrible.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: But I mean Miles was so upset Friday, and they're
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: you know, we have both these games are national games,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: so you don't get to see it on the postgame show.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: But man, I mean Miles, that sucked. That sucks for him,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: That sucks for Fetti.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: They know it.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: They know out there and they're not pitching well. They
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: know they're letting the team down. They know fans don't
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: want to hear it from them. I mean, they have
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: to perform. They're being paid to perform. And if you
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: want to be a contending team and you have better
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: options right now in Triple A and you're still continuing
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: to put up outings like this, it.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Is super frustrating.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: And I think the Cardinals are very much at a
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: point where they need to make a decision, and I
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: think they will come Tuesday. We should have a better
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: understanding about their rotation. But Brian, when I need to
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: calm down because we need to do our draft Kings segment.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: And I met this is a new one, so I
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: may I know what my responsibilities is in this, I
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: may do it a different way.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: But I think every I think Draft Kings and everyone
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: else will like the way I do it, I hope.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: So the pressure is no, no, because you know they
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: they want me to make make some picks. But the draft,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: the Draft Kings, they haven't said anything for tomorrow Tomorrow's
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: games as far as I know, But I have enough
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: experience with this I can explain how it works, and
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: I also can explain things that they should look for.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: All right, you think you think that would get a
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: thumbs up, Let's do it. Let's start.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we're gonna we're gonna launch it into
• 21:02
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• 21:11
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: So someone noticeably absent here I regularly feeled over the
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: weekend was mister Nolan Ronado. He is dealing with some
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: shoulder right shoulder bicep area impingement that he got on
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Friday taking I think I can't remember which a bat
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: it was, but it was an in game at bat,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: felt something pull he had.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Was not in the lineup on Saturday. He was a
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: late scratch.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: He tried to lobby to play in the lineup today
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: but was really not feeling well. So the carbs are
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: helping with the off down Monday. He'll be back in
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: the line up on Tuesday. They do not believe, and
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I Alston will be necessary. Nolan and I talked this
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: more or this afternoon and he agrees. Just a rough
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: week for him with the finger that's still bothering him.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: It's still pretty swollen. Now you got some right shoulder pain.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: These guys are banged up. And it was funny. I
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: don't know if it was like funny ha ha funny,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: but like funny over you right. Talk into a couple
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: of the writers upstairs as we watched the fifth inning
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: or so, and we looked at this infield and we thought,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: this is about the quality of infield we would see
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: if Nolan Arnatto was traded, And for the sake of
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: everyone's mental health, I'm really glad that didn't happen because
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: it was not a pretty infield. So the Cardinals miss
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: him defensively at third base. I know he's been going
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: through it offensively. He has not looked super super great
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: over the last month. I thought June was better, obviously,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: but they really missed his bat, as evidenced by another
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: shutout tonight. So Nolan arnad are a player spotlight. For
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: everyone's sake, we hope he is back in the lineup
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: on Tuesday when the Cardinals kick off their final homestand
• 22:40
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• 22:42
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• 23:45
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's get back into it for you over
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: it when we got over our inks about the pitching,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: and so let's while everyone up again, looks some discussion.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: About the offense.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Cardinals offense has no shut up six times in the
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: last eleven games. Is really frustrating to watch. We'll preface
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: this with we know are not as hurt. I'm playing
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: through some things. Concurists banged up, new bar banged up,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: everyone's banged up.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: It's July six. They're grinding through it. Okay.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: What this offense performance has shown me lately is just
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: how much of an impact Yvonne Herrera has made in
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: this lineup they have first between zero production without him
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit alarming.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: Actually, there's no doubt about it.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, you look at the RBI total that guy
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: had based on the number of games he played. It's
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: pretty amazing. I mean, he just he's a money hitter,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: he really really is. And you know, they miss him
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: against lefties because they don't hit lefties very well.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: And we've all talked and written about that.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: But Avon Herrera, the beautiful thing about him is he's
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: even harder on right handed batter right handed pitchers. There's
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: no platoon disadvantage whatsoever, platoon split disadvantage, so they miss
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: him a lot. But I will say this, and I
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: was adding up some numbers from the Pittsburgh series and
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: then the two games the Cardinals lost this weekend and
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: guys that they needed to hit. Guys that they needed
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: to hit just didn't hit. I mean, Donovan was three
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: for twenty two, Burlison was two for twenty and this
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: is plus. Actually you can add Donovan one for three
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: on Sunday night. Mason Winn did not hit. He was
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: one for fourteen in these games that I referred to,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Newt bar two for fourteen, and it goes right on
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: down the list.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: I don't mean to bore you all with numbers, but
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: the guys, it's tough when you don't have iron Ado.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: It's really tough.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: You don't have an era and you didn't have a
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent Wilson of Cheris. But these other players
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: are in the lineup for a reason because they're supposed
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: to be able to hit, and they can't disappear when
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: it gets tough. And this is not a character thing.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: I'm not implying that, but maybe this is the limitation
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: of this offense. Maybe the offense is what it is.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: When they're good, they score twelve runs. When they're bad,
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: they're really bad. You know, the Cardinals are sixteen and
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: nineteen since May the thirtieth, right, and in fifteen fifteen
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: of their last nineteen losses. Since made the thirtieth nineteen losses,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: they've scored.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: No more than two runs, So.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, no wonder they have a losing record.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: You know, during that time, you got two rotation pieces
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: that are terrible, and you have a lot of your
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: key guys not really doing anything, not that much, you know,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: So that part's got to turn around because there's no one. Yeah,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Herrero will be back after the All Star break and
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: he'll come to the rescue to a point, but that's
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: a ways off, still a little ways off. So but
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: these other guys need to step it up a little
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: bit and listen. They would be the first to tell
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: you that, you know, so.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Up, it's an accountable group. It is an accountable group.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I will will I've said that from the start, and
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: it's really coming to show now as I think the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Cardinals go through a real tough kind of two weeks
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: of adversity. Here some injury updates that will hopefully help
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: the offense. Again, we talked about Arnado von Herrera. John
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Mozello said on Friday is about a week and a
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: half away from starting a rehab assignment. So that's a
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: little bit sooner than I am my projection of when
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: he would return, and he is a candidate to return
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: to the lineup after the All Star break. Jordan Walker
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: is doing some extended work in Springfield.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: The reason that the Cardinals.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Chose Springfield over Memphis is because of the instructors down
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: in Springfield, and I think there's some overall just better
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: facilities down there.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: At the moment. And as Jordan Walker works back.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: From pendicitis, he's also taking some time to really break
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: down some swing changes that they've made, work on some
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: approach things. This is the time to do it for
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Jordan Walker because with the Cardinals need to produce desperately offensively.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: You bring him back in and he's trying to fix
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: his swing at the major league level, it's not going
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: to go well. So take some extra time in the miners.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: There's no rush to bring him up on your injury
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: rehab assignment. Work with the hitting coaches down in Springfield.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Hitting coordinator restein Horn does a really nice job down there,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: and work your way back in. So this is kind
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: of a favorable break for Jordan Walker and the Cardinals
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: And yeah, hopefully those two right handers get back soon.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Cardinals, as we've talked about, Bernie not super great against lefties,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I mean not board just again got right through them.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: So I haven't checked the probables for the Nationals. I
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: don't really know if they have any idea what's.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Going on right well, they just fired they fired the
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: GM and the manager today.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: So oh hey, it could always be worse.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: The Nationals, of course, have the number one pick in
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: the MLB Draft in six days and don't have a
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: general manager or a manager. They actually haven't even announced
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the interim manager yet.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: I think they're going to get there, they hope.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: So if we're going to leave on a funny ha
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: ha note, obviously they've never find people lose their jobs.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: But at least they're not the Nationals today, right, at
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: least they're not the Nationals.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: At least they're not the Nationals and going forward.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: You know, it's so imperative. I don't and the cause
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: you mentioned the draft, it's so imperative. Like whoever the
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Cardinals draft. Let's say they draft an offensive player. The
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Cardinals need some dudes. They don't have dudes. They have
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: good they have a few really good players, they don't
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: have dudes.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: When they walk to the plate.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Everyone, if you're if they're in the other if they're
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: on the road, they're in one of the divisions social
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: division places guy walks and walks to the plate.
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  Speaker 4: There's two guys on. There's almost like a murmur in
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  Speaker 4: the crowd because he's a dude. It's like, this guy's
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: really dangerous.
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  Speaker 3: No disrespect to all the Cardinals, but there's very little
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  Speaker 3: danger in their lineup. They're just is and they're way
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  Speaker 3: too inconsistent. The Cardinals need dudes. I've covered this team
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  Speaker 3: since nineteen eighty five. They've always had dudes. They do
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: not have dudes anymore. They have they have some good players,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: but good players don't do it. Look at the Cubs
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  Speaker 3: elite players. Elite players.
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  Speaker 1: Gets me fired up, and the Cardinals don't have a
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  Speaker 1: star like that, and it's disappointed. It's not to say
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  Speaker 1: they can't draft and develop one. They used to do
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  Speaker 1: a very good job in doing so, obviously, but it
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  Speaker 1: was really evident to me.
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  Speaker 2: Bernie.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, I think Rhythmfield's quick side comment is
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: my favorite place to watch a game is it was
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: such an engaging crowd environment. Holiday weekend Cardinals Cubs. Cubs
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: are playing some fantastic baseball. And every time I watch
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Pete pro Armstrong come in to play, and I guess,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Michael Bush he's a guy. I guess, Yeah, took him
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  Speaker 1: out all series. But Pete Crow Armstrong fires up the
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  Speaker 1: crowd like no other. And it's been a while since
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  Speaker 1: the Cubs had that kind of player. The Cardinals too,
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  Speaker 1: they really need to develop a star, I.
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  Speaker 6: Know.
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  Speaker 3: And you just real quick you look at the Cubs
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  Speaker 3: and Suzuki's having a great year, just a great year,
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  Speaker 3: and Pete Crow arm songs outstay. Michael Young is one
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  Speaker 3: of the best players in baseball. And you know, one
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  Speaker 3: of the one of the things is when you have
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  Speaker 3: a couple of dudes, then it's easier for someone else
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  Speaker 3: to become a dude. And say, what are you talking about?
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: You're using the word dude too much. Well, you know,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: if you've got Michael Young in your lineup, not Michael Young,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry you you know you have him the dude
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  Speaker 3: from Hugh Tucker, Kyle Tucker.
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  Speaker 4: What I'm saying, Michael Young, it's late, Katie. What can
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: I says? I'm grad You know, when you when you
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: have you know, Michael Young, and then you know you.
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  Speaker 2: Kyle, we are falling apart. It's okay.
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  Speaker 3: When you have Kyle Tucker, you go get in. That
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  Speaker 3: makes it easier.
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  Speaker 4: And Pete crow Armstrong, right, it just takes some of
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  Speaker 4: the pressure off.
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  Speaker 3: And then with with Pete prow Armstrong and and Kyle
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  Speaker 3: Tucker just just absurdly great this year. That takes some
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: of the heat off of Suzuki, and so he's relaxed.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, well, I don't have to be the guy,
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  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden he's driven into with seventy
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  Speaker 3: five seventy six runs.
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  Speaker 2: He's the guy.
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  Speaker 3: So he's become a dude because he didn't have to
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  Speaker 3: be the dude. They got two other dudes. It makes
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: it easier for him to be Okay, I'll be the
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  Speaker 3: third dude. The pressure's off, you know. So there's a
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  Speaker 3: psychological component to this. And next time we do Cardinal Territory,
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: I'll make sure I get the note, I'll get the
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  Speaker 3: players name straight.
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  Speaker 4: But what can I say this?
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: We all know what the standards are for the show,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: are okay, right right, eleven PM on Sunday night, Sunday
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Night Baseball. I do I do love anytime the car
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: was on primetime Sunday Night Baseball on the final night
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: of a ten game three city trip followed by what
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: howur Raindoway and then a three hour and ten in
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: a game.
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  Speaker 2: I'm out. I'm out on that.
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  Speaker 1: Thank goodness, there is an off date tomorrow because I'm
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: on fumes.
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  Speaker 4: Even May I told I touched his Mason wo was
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: cracking me up.
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  Speaker 3: He was, he was ESPN micd him up. And he
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: had the fifth inning where they scored all those runs.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: And so the fifth inning, I'm exaggerating on purpose, that
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: fifth inning, that bottom of the fifth lasted like two hours.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: And so when Mason wentz talking to these.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Guys the entire time, so it was right before the
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: final batter, and Mason went said, he says bad pace,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: bad pace, you know, you know.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: Kid, talking about how slow the game was moving.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: And I think Cale, you know, Carl raviits said you
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: said it, you know, like we didn't say it.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: You said it, you know.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: But I think Mason Win spoke for ever anybody watching
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: that game certainly.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Spoke for the writers up with the good old press box.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: All the story for this podcast episode. Cubs during a
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: lot of things, right, Cardinals not so much. Saint Louis
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: can change its course with a conversation about the rotation. Uh,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: and they should, in my opinion, make those changes. It's
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Michael McGreevey time. It's it's been that if you want
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: to compete and you want to give this team or
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: the span base something to be energized about the rest
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: of the season in August and September. If you are
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: going to go out there and say how you play
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: in July is going to dictate you buy or sell.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Put your best possible chance to win every day in
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: July and play like it. It really is not that difficult,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: So just do it, all right?
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: They got it. Yeah, it's time to shake it up
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  Speaker 4: that way.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, It's time.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Was that for you and I to maybe decompressed, calm down, meditate.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I do know that we'll be
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: back for three episodes before the All Star Breaks, Slash
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Draft a lot to talk about. I'll be with you
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: guys for a trade deadline update from my conversations with
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: John Mosailock over the weekend, and then Brittan that will
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: help break down three games against the Nationals and three
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: games against the Braves, and we went back to it
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Cardinals fans, get some sleep, flush this one if you can.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: And before we go, a huge shout out once more,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: congratulations to the Cardinals National League All Star pick Brendan Donovan.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: What a deserving guy.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Just thrilled for him and his family to be able
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: to experience this at Truce Park. So deserving, such a
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: great season, such a great do shout out Brendan Donovan.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: There are we going in on something positive on what
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: was it?
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: Very good job?
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  Speaker 1: All right, Cardinal Territory fans, we will talk to you
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  Speaker 1: next week for Bernie.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Katie.
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  Speaker 4: See ya, yeah,