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This Isn’t Old Man Music: Grant-Lee Phillips and Louise Goffin · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in. I guess this isn't Old Man
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  Speaker 1: Music with Scott Patterson everything you've ever wanted to know
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  Speaker 1: about the music of Gilmour Girls, Everybody, Scott Patterson, One
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  Speaker 1: eleven Productions. iHeartRadio, iHeart Media, iHeart Podcasts. This is the
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  Speaker 1: inaugural episode with my two lovely guests, Luise Goffin and
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  Speaker 1: Grantly Phillips joining us after they're electrifying acoustic if that
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  Speaker 1: term has ever been used live concert for some verious
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  Speaker 1: distinguished guests over here Warner Brothers Studios. And this segment
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  Speaker 1: is called and this is a new thing we're rolling out.
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  Speaker 1: It is called this is Not Old Man Music. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you guys. We just did this wonderful event for Grant's
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  Speaker 1: thirteenth album release party. Louise, you joined Grant up on
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  Speaker 1: stage to sing and play the amazing theme song for
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  Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls. Grant tell us a little bit about how
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  Speaker 1: it felt to be up there today and having a
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  Speaker 1: major studio throw you a shindig of this scale for
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  Speaker 1: your album release.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, what a fantastic kind of homecoming in a way,
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  Speaker 2: you know, being back here on the WB lot pretty nice.
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  Speaker 2: We had a tour group as well, that's pretty great.
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  Speaker 2: And seeing a lot of old friends as well, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what a show though. Anyway, thirteenth album, Yeah, great
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  Speaker 1: relationship with Warner Music. Tell us how it's how it
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  Speaker 1: all began? First song? We did it all begin with
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  Speaker 1: Gilmour Girls and you being cast as a town troubadour?
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  Speaker 3: Oh goodness, well this would have been about.
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  Speaker 1: Two thousand, right five years ago?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, okay, right.
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  Speaker 2: You know I had been with Grantly Buffalo vocalist, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in the band Grantly Buffalo and all that, and and
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  Speaker 2: around this time I was kind of starting to go
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  Speaker 2: out on my own, working on my first solo album,
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  Speaker 2: and that was about the time that I got this
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  Speaker 2: this invitation. Do I want to come on this show,
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  Speaker 2: this new show and portray the town Troubadour?
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  Speaker 3: And so it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was great timing because you know, all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't on the road all the time I was recording.
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  Speaker 2: I was kind of just wide open to whatever the
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  Speaker 2: future wanted to throw at me. And there it was.
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  Speaker 2: Gilmore Girls. Had no idea that you know, beyond one appearance,
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  Speaker 2: that it would you know, involve you know, so many
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  Speaker 2: seasons and there's this incredible lifetime.
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  Speaker 1: How many how many episodes did you end up doing
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  Speaker 1: do you remember?
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  Speaker 3: Been like I'm going to say maybe twenty.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Did you notice a hike and album
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  Speaker 1: sales or record sales? Uh? More people showing up at
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  Speaker 1: your on tour when you were touring well as a
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  Speaker 1: result of the show, You know.
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  Speaker 2: What, I Uh, it's interesting some and this it still occurs.
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  Speaker 2: The ripples continue.
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  Speaker 3: To this day.
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  Speaker 2: You know when I when I go out and play,
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  Speaker 2: I typically meet people to come to the show.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Some people that know Grantly Buffalo, some people that have
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  Speaker 2: followed my solo stuff, and then a whole other group
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  Speaker 2: of people that it's because of this program right that
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  Speaker 2: they come to the show.
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  Speaker 1: I can't walk down the street in Amsterdam, ken you anymore?
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  Speaker 1: I can't. You can't, you know, it's like crazy. You
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  Speaker 1: have to jump into the canal just I do, swim away,
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  Speaker 1: don't you? So what's the country? What's the big country
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  Speaker 1: for you? Are? They're all the same in Europe? When
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  Speaker 1: you when you play over, I know you're embarking on
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  Speaker 1: a on a European tour. Pretty soon, pretty soon, Yeah, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Going over across across the pond, as they say, is
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  Speaker 2: that like maybe is it September October?
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  Speaker 3: October? Yeah, a whole bunch of dates coming out here soon.
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  Speaker 1: What's the best attended countries? Are they all the same?
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  Speaker 1: Are they? Is there a country that you particularly love
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  Speaker 1: to go back to? Not to alienate anybody, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to alienate anybody.
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  Speaker 3: That's the thing I've had.
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  Speaker 2: I've had great history in the UK, you know. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there are certain cities that I returned. They speak English
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  Speaker 2: there I don't, but they do the form of it.
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  Speaker 1: I understand that they do. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Derivation of heart, Yeah, make up my own words. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean I we began.
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  Speaker 2: Touring with the band back in the early nineties, and
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  Speaker 2: so there was, you know, kind of an opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: build something, you know. But we we performed in France
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  Speaker 2: and Germany and Scandinavia, Netherlands, you know.
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  Speaker 3: In January, I'm going to be up in Finland.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to be up in Lapland, which I've never
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  Speaker 2: performed in before.
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  Speaker 1: That's exciting.
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  Speaker 2: It is a I'm I'm I'm I'm hoping it's legit, right,
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  Speaker 2: somebody hasn't just kind of like booked me a lift
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  Speaker 2: right to Lapland.
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  Speaker 1: How big is your entourage? How many? How many in
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  Speaker 1: your band and people helping out and all that gear.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes you're renting gear in each country, you're taking gear
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  Speaker 1: with you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not unlike the town Troubador, I have guitar, will
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  Speaker 2: travel there, you know. Yeah, that's that's how I That's
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  Speaker 2: how I work. And you know, I I occasionally have
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  Speaker 2: someone when I'm overseas who would be my my tour manager, bodyguard,
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  Speaker 2: groomer and uh dog walker, dogwalker, financial advisors to go,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and and that.
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  Speaker 3: Person will they'll go to the show, they'll help me
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  Speaker 3: get good.
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  Speaker 2: Sound and all that stuff, you know, and we'll have
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  Speaker 2: a pint or two. Well we'll shed a tear you
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  Speaker 2: know over the days. Yeah, yeah, and uh, when I'm
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  Speaker 2: out on my own here in the States, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of times I don't have that luxury of having the
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  Speaker 2: extra entourage one gentleman. So it's a solitary situation, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: A good time to write, though, good time to write
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  Speaker 2: sad songs about being on Drein's there you.
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  Speaker 1: Go, and the world needs those, you know, they, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's not enough of that such a. Thank Louise, Hello Scott,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 1: You're very welcome. Let's talk about how YouTube first met.
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  Speaker 1: Did you? Did you? Did you meet on the show's a?
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  Speaker 1: Did you know each other beforehand?
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  Speaker 5: I feel like I.
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  Speaker 6: Knew you before that, but I'm not sure where. Maybe
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  Speaker 6: I came to a show that you did in Santa Monica.
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  Speaker 3: Oh well that could have been.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, But then we did the reboot together and
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  Speaker 6: we were in the trailer going over our lines, and
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  Speaker 6: it was really interesting because we were, you know, trying
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  Speaker 6: to say it this way, trying to say it that way,
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  Speaker 6: and then Amy just kind of like threw a wrench
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  Speaker 6: at us and said, no, no, no, when you say
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  Speaker 6: the lines, he's going to.
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  Speaker 5: Be chasing you down the street doing.
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  Speaker 6: A zigzag like in the cartoons, like sip zip zip tip,
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  Speaker 6: and so all of the like super analytical, how should
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  Speaker 6: I say this line? Was just all of a sudden.
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  Speaker 6: You didn't think about it. You were just running, right.
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  Speaker 1: Those were such fun scenes that was hysterical that rivaled
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  Speaker 1: naked Kirk with a pillow over them running through the
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  Speaker 1: first kiss Your Your Stuff was very funny. I remember
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  Speaker 1: those scenes. Did you rehearse them a lot?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I imagine it was just you know, he
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  Speaker 6: came by the trailer and said, hey, should we run
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  Speaker 6: our lines?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, some very dramatic readings of our lines. It was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, listen, sister.
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  Speaker 3: You'll never get away with it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, well at you me, And then it came time
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  Speaker 2: to shoot and they were like just run like crazy?
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  Speaker 6: Or wasn't there something like she's not even your mom?
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  Speaker 1: So Louise, tell us a little bit about how you
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  Speaker 1: grew up and what led you into the world of music.
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  Speaker 1: Were your parents involved in music? I'm just kidding.
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  Speaker 6: Well, my parents were writing songs when I was young,
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  Speaker 6: so I thought that's what all grown ups did, they
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  Speaker 6: wrote songs together.
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  Speaker 5: I wasn't pretty.
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  Speaker 6: I had a really active fantasy world when I was
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  Speaker 6: very young because my parents, while they wrote a lot
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  Speaker 6: of known songs in our house, and they'd always close
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  Speaker 6: the door like not now you know, But they'd drive
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  Speaker 6: into New York City and unbeknownst to people, they did
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  Speaker 6: not go to the Brill building. They went around the corner.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's seventeen fifty Broadway if I have that
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  Speaker 6: address right where Alton Music was, but being in the
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  Speaker 6: suburbs in Western Range, New Jersey, and you know, my
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  Speaker 6: parents driving off in a buick. I'd be home alone
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  Speaker 6: a lot with you know, a housekeeper and my little sister.
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  Speaker 6: And so I got kind of lost in records and
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  Speaker 6: like this fantasy world of like, you know, I'd look
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  Speaker 6: at the gatefold of.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Mickey.
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  Speaker 6: Mouse and Tchaikovsky, you know, The Sorcerer's Apprentice, and I'd like, go, oh,
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  Speaker 6: I want to I want to be somewhere where I
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  Speaker 6: can direct an orchestra. And I listened to the monkeys,
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  Speaker 6: and we did watch TV shows together when they were around,
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  Speaker 6: Like at Sullivan's show would come on, and it was
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  Speaker 6: I went back to that house actually about ten years
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  Speaker 6: ago because I was on tour and we drove in
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  Speaker 6: the neighbor. But I said, wait, we're like so close
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  Speaker 6: to my house and the owner was raking leaves outside,
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  Speaker 6: and when I went up and I said I used to.
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  Speaker 5: Live here, he said, come on it.
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  Speaker 6: And so I was walking through this house and saw
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  Speaker 6: where the TV was and I was like, God, we
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  Speaker 6: always to gather around. This's like twenty one inch tvcent
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  Speaker 6: that little thing. So yeah, they were doing that and
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  Speaker 6: then we moved to la to Laurel Canyon, which was
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  Speaker 6: a total shock to my system. And my parents separated then,
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  Speaker 6: which was also a shock to my system. And I
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  Speaker 6: guess I always felt, particularly from my dad, that you know,
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  Speaker 6: him being able to write lyrics was his way of
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  Speaker 6: staying grounded when otherwise he'd be pretty bipolar. And so
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  Speaker 6: I learned quickly that life is going to go through
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  Speaker 6: really big changes and there'll be bigger than you can
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  Speaker 6: even like process.
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  Speaker 5: But if you can do this thing where you.
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  Speaker 6: Can write a song about it, you have a shop
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  Speaker 6: of like keeping a sense of yourself. Like somehow that
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  Speaker 6: message got through to me.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting, And you set out when did you really set
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  Speaker 1: out to be a singer songwriter? How old were you
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  Speaker 1: when you Was it a decision that you made and
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  Speaker 1: that's what I want to do or was it just
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  Speaker 1: something that I did.
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  Speaker 5: I kind of always knew, like when I was eight.
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  Speaker 6: I think I took piano lessons when I was like seven,
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  Speaker 6: and I you know, had some the Swanda over the
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  Speaker 6: you know, it was Robert something Thompson's you know easy right,
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  Speaker 6: And I learned that song. And then as soon as
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  Speaker 6: I knew a couple of chords. I was like, I
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  Speaker 6: don't want to learn other people's songs. I'm going to
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  Speaker 6: put these songs. I want to put these chords together
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  Speaker 6: in my own way. So I was kind of doing
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  Speaker 6: that from eight, but then we moved to LA, and yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I just started writing songs.
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  Speaker 5: I think when I.
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  Speaker 6: Was I think it was I was fifteen or sixteen.
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  Speaker 6: My mother came into my room. This is post tapestry, okay,
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  Speaker 6: and I had done a bunch of demos and she
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  Speaker 6: knew that I was like really serious about like wanting
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  Speaker 6: a record deal, and she really tried to talk me
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  Speaker 6: out of it, and she was like, well, I'm not
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  Speaker 6: sure if she was like it's a little soon for
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  Speaker 6: my daughter to be right up behind my heels, you know,
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  Speaker 6: because she was a young mom, or if it was
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  Speaker 6: just like she knew how successful she was and that
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  Speaker 6: it might be hard for me to follow. But she
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  Speaker 6: was like, are you sure you want to do this?
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  Speaker 6: And I was just like yeah, She's like, you know,
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  Speaker 6: it's going to be hard, and I was like, that's
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  Speaker 6: all about other people. Like I already knew that that
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  Speaker 6: was about other people. That I was like destined to
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  Speaker 6: do this thing and was going to do it and
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  Speaker 6: regardless of what other people said or comparisons that that
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  Speaker 6: had nothing to do with.
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  Speaker 1: Grant, do you remember the time when you decided to
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  Speaker 1: be a singer songwriter where you remember the moment where
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  Speaker 1: it just was like, this is what I'm going to do,
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  Speaker 1: this is what I am, this is what I do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there was a period probably I would
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  Speaker 2: think maybe fourteen fifteen or all of a sudden, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I had a few chords under my belt, and I
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  Speaker 2: had really been studying song lyrics. You used to publish
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  Speaker 2: magazines song hits. You know, it was just nothing but
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  Speaker 2: song lyrics, and you could really kind of take apart
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  Speaker 2: those songs and see, you know, this is the verses,
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  Speaker 2: the chorus. And that was a time maybe like you know,
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  Speaker 2: mid seventies where it was kind of a golden era
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  Speaker 2: in terms of songwriters. Yeah, And I don't know, and
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  Speaker 2: at that age kind of like teenage years in high school. Well,
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I had like a whole I
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  Speaker 2: had a mast, a lot of songs, had a big folder.
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  Speaker 3: But I kind of kept out it.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't really say it out loud that I was
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  Speaker 2: a songwriter until I was in my early twenties.
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  Speaker 1: I guess, who are the big heroes of yours? Who
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  Speaker 1: are the songwriters that you just, oh gosh loved well?
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  Speaker 2: I was taken to see, you know, I grew up
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  Speaker 2: with Elton John of course, you know, great Bernie Toppins
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  Speaker 2: lyrics and Elton melodies somebody. I was taken to see
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  Speaker 2: Neil Young quite early on, and it was just him
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  Speaker 2: and his guitar and his you think you had two pianos,
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  Speaker 2: you know, whole slew of guitars, and that really made
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  Speaker 2: a real impact on me, seeing what one could do,
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  Speaker 2: you know, with with nothing more than a melody and
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  Speaker 2: an instrument in words.
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  Speaker 1: You know, do you remember your first concert that you gave,
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  Speaker 1: a first live concert.
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  Speaker 3: Oh gosh, that I performed paid?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that you performed paid or not? Or you know,
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  Speaker 1: obviously the first one that I performed. If the first
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  Speaker 1: one was a paid gig, then you were really good.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, the first time you got out in front
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  Speaker 1: of people, I see what you mean.
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  Speaker 3: Well, here's the weird thing.
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  Speaker 2: And my my foray into entertainment came by way of
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  Speaker 2: magic and the craft of esch apology, what you call it,
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  Speaker 2: escaping from things. I was a Houdini fanatic and I
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  Speaker 2: had a little magic act and I booked myself into
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  Speaker 2: various venues in northern California and that was my That
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  Speaker 2: was my introduction to performing in front of folks. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I did that from like the age of like
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  Speaker 2: eleven to thirteen, ten to thirteen.
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  Speaker 1: Something like that.
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  Speaker 2: And then I picked up the guitar, and magic tricks
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  Speaker 2: seemed very ridiculous at the point when I had discovered
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  Speaker 2: the guitar.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: This is a lot cooler, I thought.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, there were bands that were
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: wearing capes who played, you know, guitars, but certainly music
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: was going to be what I said, the tricks aside.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Luise, do you remember the first time you played in
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: front of people and what that experience was like and
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: did you play all original songs?
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: I did some things. Yeah.
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: In junior high I played in assembly, right, okay, And
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: I remember that my junior high was a little scary
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: in Hollywood, Like there were when you went into the
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: locker room, there were girls in the locker room had
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: razor blades hidden in their afros.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Wow. So it was like, well, that's actually a good
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: place to hide them.
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, it was for sure. But I I came.
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: From the East Coast, and like I felt myself to
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: be like a little of a runt, you know, like
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: everyone in LA when I said, it must be the
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: sunshine and the orange trees.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: Why is everyone so big out here?
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: Like you know?
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: And I was like this East Coast Jewish, you know,
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: little girl in the locker room. And I was never
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: particularly you know, athletic. And I remember when I performed
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: in assembly, they used to kind of mess with me
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: a little bit, like make fun of me, you know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: do that thing that they do, you know when you
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: first get rub their knuckles.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: But after I performed, they.
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: Exactly, but then they say, you leave her alone, she
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: can sing. Suddenly I was like I had a cool
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: card to pull out, and it also was good for
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: my protection.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Nice, yeah, Grant. When when when did you first get signed?
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Well, we signed ninety two in the fall of ninety
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: two when the first record came out, I think.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: March of that ninety three big moment. It was a
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: big moment.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, although you know, as much as you you visualized
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: that moment, it was you know, in between, in between
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: dinner and going back to track some more. You know,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: so in the end it's just kind of a you know,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: a blip, right yeah, yeah, but you know, kind of
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: a pivotal though, of course, And you.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Know, who is it with?
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Who did you sign with?
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Grantly Buffalo signed to Slash Records, which was one of
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: the great sort of indie punk labels here in Los Angeles,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: and they had quite a roster, you know, Los Lobos, Action,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: violent films, you know, boy Dream, Syndicate, on and on,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: you know, great stuff, and so we were really proud to
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: be on that, on that label, and they had they
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: had connections to other distribution, Warner Brothers, you know, Reprise,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: and so that was really monumental for us.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: How'd the record do?
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: The record did good, you know, it received a lot
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: of critical praise.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: And that moment in time in the early nineties, I
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: feel like it was sort of a it was an
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: interesting period where maybe those at the Helm kind.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Of went the kids, Well, they know what they're doing,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: let them, let them do their thing, you know.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: And a lot seemed to slip through the cracks right
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: in a great way, you know. And then eventually somebody
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: came back and a round and says, what are they
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: doing out there? And it got you know, it got
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: a little harder to be experimental. But I look back
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: at that period of time, what was on the radio, Well,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: of course Nirvana readers. You know, it was like all
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: this stuff that had kind of bubbled up in the underground.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Became sort of mainstream, you know, because of TV.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, it was a good time for
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: like music that was kind of coming from a very.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Soulful kind of place.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: You know, even if it was aggressive, it was still
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: yearning to be honest.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: And do you.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Remember a moment where somebody was in the audience that
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: just made you like.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: What I'm thinking, I'm thinking, did.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Your mom ever show up and make you really nervous?
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: My mother wouldn't make me nervous.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: So if she showed up, it would be we're talking
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: She'd be like trying to hide and be momager and
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: like try to sew up something that you know needs
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: sewing before I go in stage and then make some
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: comment like I've never played anywhere this small before. That's
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: what happened at mccabees when she came there and people
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: left her alone and say, you know, she's she's Grandma here,
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: she's not Carol because I had my kids there, and
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: she's like, leave her alone, she's being grandma right now.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: And she said it was such a sweet show. I
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: don't think I've never played anywhere this small.
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I can't think of exactly when, but
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: I know that there are times when I get really
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: like just nervous for all the wrong reasons.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: You know, you get nervous for all the wrong reasons.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I kind of never want to know if there's you know,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I don't want to know who's on the guest list
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: or anything like that, or you know, I just want
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: to put it out of my head.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I just want to play.
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: And you know, I played the Roxy when I was
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: twenty one.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Wow, wait, wait what you hear?
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: Stevie Nicks and Linda Ronstadt were in the audience.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: Peter Asher, there you go.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I mean it was like late seventies, early eighties, it
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: was early eighties.
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: It was eighty one, gotcha, and I must have been
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: I must have been pretty nervous. But I did this
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: really like punk rock thing where I walked out on
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: the table. I even put the sex Pistols song Problems
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: in the middle of my set. But yeah, and I
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: don't know, like I've befriended some mentor when I was younger,
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: I befriended a lot of mentor like beyond my mother,
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: you know, she's my mom, but like Stevie Nicks came
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: down to my first recording sessions, and you know, Danny
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: Korchmar produced my first record, and he would kind of say, like, Stevie,
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: come on, give Louise rock star.
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: Lessons and things like that.
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: Basically would just always be like, you know, do what
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: you do, be yourself, you know. And and throughout my
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: career there are times I've been insecure and I think, well,
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: how do they do it? You know, like it sounds
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: like I forgot everything, and I'd go, well, how do
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: they do it? And I remember talking to be York's
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: manager and I.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: Was like, how does she do it?
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: Like she's so and he'd be like, she's non different
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: than you, Like it's just it's all the same, you know,
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: like you just so I kept thinking like, it's this
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: thing you put on, but then I realized it's just
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: something I embody.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: You know, you think like a songwriter.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: You hear a turn of a phrase and you go,
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: that's a title and you write it down, or you're
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: playing a guitar and you go, oh, you know that
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: thing was like, I can't pick up my guitar because
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: if I pick up my guitar, I know I'm going
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: to come up with the song.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: And if I come up with a song.
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: Then I'm going to have to like feed it and
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: nurture it, send it to college, and I'm not going
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: to get any sleep tonight exactly.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about that, Grant. Do the songs just
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: come to you and they download very quickly or for you?
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Is it a process? Or is it both? It can
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: happen either way.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: I can think it can happen in any number of ways.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Do you remember a song that just came to you
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: fully formed and it was like, Wow, that's a great
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: song and I gotta get it down. Yeah?
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Sure, there were, you know, and sometimes those songs are
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: typically a little simpler in their form, and sometimes they
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: take me places where I just don't know where it's going.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: The north Ridge earthquake was a horrific thing to go through.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: This It was, you know, my family and I, My
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: wife and I we were living up in Santa Clarita
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: at the time, lost the house, you know, and in
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: that state of trauma, wound up kind of staying on
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: some blow up mattresses for a while. But I was
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: plunking around on the banjo and outcome these words devastation.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: At last, finally we meet. It's the song mocking Birds.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: And it came so quickly that way. I don't know
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: that it would have come in that fashion had I
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: not been in such a kind of like a.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Cat, you know. It's kind of my claws dug into
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: the couch, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So that's my next question. Do you try to get
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: yourself in some kind of a state to write a
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: certain type of song or are you just sort of
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: you know, your your antennas up all the time and
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: you're receiving whatever you can receive. It's like, do you fish?
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Do you always have your guitar with you? Are you
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: always having your fishing rod in the water I'm waiting
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: to catch because if you don't, and if you don't
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: have your guitar with you, if you're not open to it,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: do you feel like these songs will just go to
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: somebody else? I'm not certain.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I like that analogy of fishing for something though, because
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: some days you have to show up and it's like
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: you get credit for that somehow, you know, well we
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: didn't throw you didn't catch anything last week.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Right or the one before.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: But right, you know, this guy's been here seven days,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: eight months in a while we haven't. Let's give him something, Guys,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: it feels like that, so then give them a smash hit. Right.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Well, I find that when I when I go out
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: on the road and I'm by myself and I'm sitting
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: alone in a hotel room or backstage, that's when I
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: have the perfect degree of solitude boredom, and I happen
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: to have the guitar in my hands.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: So it's something about that, you know, that helps a lot.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: You know, Luise, have you ever tried to write a
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: hit song?
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: It's funny.
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: I just posted something about I'm getting all the songs
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: off of my hard drive that are sitting there, and
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: I'm trying to get all my friends to do the
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: same thing. And please, you know, let yourself be messy
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: and don't listen to the voice in your head that says,
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: go and write a hit song. I think it's the
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: worst advice you can give anybody. Like you know, you
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: can't write a hit song. You can only write a song.
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: You know what you do afterwards with it, maybe you
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: turn it into a hit, or maybe you write a
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: song and you go, that's a hit song, but you can't.
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: All right, there's a lot of like full time you
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: know songwriters who do just that. They sit and they
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: go like, let's write a hit song. But I feel
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: like I'm an artist.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: I'm not.
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: I'm like my parents when I was young, before my
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: mother was doing this as an artist, they were songwriters.
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: They were craft people, writing songs for other people and
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: trying to write the next hit. That was something they
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: were doing. I learned I am not. I ain't one
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: of those. I came from a songwriting family, but I don't.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Have that head at all, gotcha.
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: I'm like an artist through and through. I'm like, make
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: a mess on a page, take the order, move it around.
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: And every time in my career where I've tried to
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: be a songwriter for someone else, I just feel like
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: I'm not embodying my own life, trying to get in
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: the head of like what that artist wants and what
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: that record company wants. And it's much more of a
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: business head than it is self express artist toy And
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: what we do is, you know, in the kind of
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: town tributeour tradition is we're storytellers, and we're like, I'm alive,
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: I'm on this planet, I'm feeling things, and my job
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: is to, you know, turn that into something, you know,
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: take my feelings of what it is to be alive
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: today and turn that into a tune.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Who have you seen live that you felt was truly
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: authentic and just an offering up to the heavens And
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: this is what I do. And it was this pure
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: beautiful attence Prince.
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: I mean, see Prince do like three hour show and
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: then go to a little club and do another three
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: hour secret show afterwards and never get tired.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: Like I mean, it was a.
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: Tight show, but he he you know, he had the
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: craft and the discipline. Yeah, I mean, I've seen so
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: so many amazing show I saw Lana del Rey play
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: in Nashville, and I was blown away. Like I thought
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: in my head, I thought Lana del Rey was kind
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: of this like manufactured thing because of the way she looked.
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: And my friend said, oh no, she's heavy. She's heavy.
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: She's a heavy lyricist. And I was like, really, Lana
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: Delray And I went I was like, oh my god,
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: he's right, Like that was an amazing show.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Grant, what about you? Yeah, who have you seen that?
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: You just went, wow, oh goodness.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: You know who really sticks out? Who sticks out like
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: just a unique talent?
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Michael Steye. Patti Smith.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I used to I used to go to Patti Smith
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: concerts in New York City in the mid seventies, early seventies. Yeah, wow,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: the bottom line. And she would be speaking at Amnesty
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: International and I my sister's and I would sneak backstage
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: and eat the food. And she know, I met her
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: a couple of times. She blessed me. Once I actually
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: tried to Audi. She was in cbgbi's one night. I
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: mean I was about fifteen, and she was off to
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the side talking to I guess a record executive, and
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: she had these she had these sunglasses on and a
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: trench coat, dark trench coat and with the blinders on
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: the side. And I heard I'd heard that she was
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: looking for a piano player. And I was playing a
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: lot of piano at the time. And I went up
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: and I asked. I entered, just completely busted into the
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: conversation and I said, Patty, I hear her looking for
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: a piano player, I'd like the audition. And she's just
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: like you're a little young. And I was so felt
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: so dejected that we just left and she followed us
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: out to the Bowery and we were about halfway down
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: the block and she said hey, and I turned around,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: she goes, good luck. So I felt like I'd been
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: kind of blessed by the punk goddess and I was
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: just a kid, and full circle. Her daughter got in
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: touch with me because she's a fan of the show
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: and invited me to come see Patty downtown La. She
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: was playing in some venue downtown LA, and I went
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and reconnected. You know, it was like forty years later
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: or whatever. It was kind of kind of trippy.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Wow, yeah that's great.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I'm a big Patty Smith fan.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: She has an incredible way.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just you know, you remind me energy in the room.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you do the same thing, by the way,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: because the thing that I forgot about Patty. Yeah, And
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: what really brought me back into that my teenage years
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: is when I went to see her in La. The
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  Speaker 1: story she told him between the songs and how damn
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: funny she is and endearing and smart and sarcastical little
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: bit and you kind of have some of that. Oh wow,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: you it's like you find yourself rooting for the artist
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  Speaker 1: because they just made you laugh and they were self
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: deprecating and great and open and lovely. Right, so it's like, yeah,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: singer song, I love the song before you even start, right,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: So you embody that too.
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  Speaker 6: You're both you both are great storytellers. I mean when
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: you just told this story about Patti Smith, I saw
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  Speaker 6: the whole I felt like I was I was just
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  Speaker 6: right there.
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: I saw the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a big influence on me getting out of
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  Speaker 1: the East Coast and breaking out and doing what I
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: really want to do. Yeah. Yeah, she was a big
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: influence on me. Who for you are your big influences? Grant?
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Who is your biggest musical influence? Would you say? Oh
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: that's a hard call, heflo Springfield.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Oh well, Neil Young would be very you know, I
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: would be pretty important artist though, you know, Dylan, you
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: know all of those sort of thing.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Do you like that movie?
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  Speaker 3: I did enjoy it.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I didn't enjoy it, but yeah, certainly those writers from
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: that period of time.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: You know, Louise, who besides your own mother, who are
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: your biggest influences?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 5: I never I didn't listen to my mother. I mean
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: I was.
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  Speaker 6: I was taken on tour a lot and heard endless shows,
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: and Tapestry only reminded me of my parents divorcing, so
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: I didn't want to ever listen to It's too Late Baby.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, I listened to a lot of Joni Mitchell,
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: you know, and Fleetwood Mac. You know that that Rumors
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: record was just such a such a thing. But I
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: also listened to a lot of soul music. Yeah, I
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: love slying the family Stone. I listened to Spinners, like
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: all that stuff was on the radio, you know when
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: I went to junior High. Yeah, man, the Spinners they
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: were tom All all all those. I have a really,
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: you know, good encyclopedic mix of like black and extremely
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: Caucasian music, you know, like Bear your Soul Confessionals mixed
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: with you know, give it a rhythm.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Right, excellent? How many times have you to do? Edit?
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Is this? This is not the first time.
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  Speaker 3: This might be the second.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: It's a thing.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: What was that Cornett Theater?
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Years ago?
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  Speaker 2: I think it was right after we we shot the
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Gilmore Girls special. I was playing at Largo and invited
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  Speaker 2: Louise come on down and.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: We did nice.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: We did where you leave there, and I think this
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: is only the second time we've ever done it.
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was fun. Thank you for having me booth times.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Would you ever consider hooking up and touring together?
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: Like you got to ask him?
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: No, No, he's a big chase. I know that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think would you?
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: Would you put put them on the spot there?
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the microphones and where Yeah, that's the place
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: to put people on the spot right here? What do
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  Speaker 1: you think?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a very nice, nice billing.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes it really is. Huh you got can I
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: can I get a shout out from everybody? It was
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: a nice pairing today up there, wasn't it? I mean,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: thank you? It really it really was. I mean not
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: that you didn't produce enough magic on your own sir,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: uh and you did. They were very touching. I felt
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: myself wiping away a couple of two. I love musicians,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: I love live performances. I love heartfelt, honest music. And
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: you were playing my favorite chord. It's an E. It's
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: it's an it's an E C thing.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: It's an that's a gang symbol you're doing right there?
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Thought a guitar. I don't know what it means, but
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: tell me to get me a guitar. I'll play it
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: for you. But uh, I just enjoyed what, you know,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I was. I was transfixed by by what you were
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: doing on the guitar and and this beautiful style and
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: these these these wonderful chords that you would slide up to,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: you know, just like ah, yes, nice nice. Uh you know,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: you'd get me in the pocket and then you'd take
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: me over to this different country over here, speaking the
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: same language. And it was just wonderful to be in
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: front of that, you know. And I also what I
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: love about you is you don't sing too loudly, and
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I so appreciate that you just sort of like meld
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: with the guitar and with the chords and the whole
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: spirit of what you're doing. So it all just works
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: so beautifully together. That's the magic I'm talking about. And
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: then when Louise came up, I mean you you had
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: to have felt the energy in the room, right, I mean,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: it was just extraordinary. That's the only read. I don't
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: mean to put you on the spot, my god, yeah, no.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, it is really a special thing and
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: kind of what Louise was saying earlier, any opportunity to
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: kind of put ourselves outside of our head and just
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: kind of be in the moment and respond. That's that's
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: music really, you know, it's that's the hardest thing when
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: you perform by yourself, I think is that, you know,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: you could become very self involved and excellent. I enjoy
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: just kind of harmonizing and finding some kind of other
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: supportive role, you know, being a being a cast member
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: in a song, you know, I love that.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: It's like standing out on stage and doing a long monologue.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: It's terrifying.
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing to really bounce off except the sound
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: of your own voice and you know people in the
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: audience going ah something like that. You know, but it
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: was wonderful. So if you would consider it, you know,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I think I think I think it works.
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: We do have twenty five years of Warner Brothers doing
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: pre promotion for us, so that that's definitely something in
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: our favor.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: They did. They did the hard part. You just got
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: to step in. Yeah, there you go. We'd love to
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: see that. Maybe uh holiday here, you could come by
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: and and play a few songs, you know, that would
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: be fun. We're gonna build a big stage for the podcast,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: so you know, we could we get the heck out
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: of there for a couple.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Of minutes, you know.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, I really appreciate you taking the time. I know, Grant,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: you're a very very tight schedule.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very tight schedule. So you gotta get going.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: You're starting some dates. You've got a couple of gigs.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: You got one in Nashville coming up, and then a
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: couple of more in the States and then you leave
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: for Europe. Ye, tell us about the US gigs.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: East Coast starts September seventh, Okay, Vienna, Virginia, which is
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: right outside Washington, d C.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Beautiful. Yeah.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: I got a Philadelphia gig in New York of Boston beautiful, Yeah,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: and then Chicago. You know, just wonderful places to you know.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I don't get to see enough of them. I see
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: just you know, just a flash. I grab a piece
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: of a deep dish and I'm on my way.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, I know that, right, Louise. Anything coming up special
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: for you a lot?
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: I'm going to Memphis next week and a song I wrote. Well,
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: I started the Goffin and King Foundation, where I host
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: a lot of songwriting retreats and introduce a lot of
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: people to a lot of other people in these songs
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: live on, and these friendships and communities live on. So
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: one of the songwriters there is recording a song that
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: we wrote last year in Memphis, putting.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: Horns on it.
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: Then back to la and then I'm taking thirty songwriters
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: to London and we're going to be writing in London
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: and recording at Abbey Roads Studios. So yeah, I have
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: a studio here where I'd been putting out my own
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: singles and producing things. But this has been a real
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: joy for me too to be part of this community
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: and collaborating and again like working with other people. A
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: lot of the heavy list lifting is kind of coming
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: from here. It's not like in here when there's two
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: it somehow breaks this thing in your head and you've
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: got like this third energy which is like bigger than you,
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: and suddenly, like a song appears and it's like there
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: was no labor. It just like wanted to be born.
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: And that's an amazing thing to be part of.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: The act of creation.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: It is an amazing thing. And so on writing and
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: you two do it so well. Top of your business.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Some of the best songwriting I've ever heard in performing,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: It's an honor to talk to. Please come back to
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: the show. We have a hell of a lot more
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: to uncover. We're just scratching the surface here. Thank you
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: so much. Brantley Phillips, Thank you, Louise Goffin, thank you
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: so much. Coming next month, this series continues, so don't
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