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Random Heathen Ramblings: S6, EP14 - Kindling A Brotherly Flame (feat. Joshua Bright Spirit Pennington) · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  you know the drill. So all of that being out of the
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  way leads me into welcoming in my guest this week.
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  Talked to this guy a lot. Many of you know him, he's been
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  on the show multiple times. But this this this episode of
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  the podcast this week is a bit of a of an anniversary sort of
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  episode. So five years ago, right around
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  this time of, of, of the month, it was I think the, the episode
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  in question or the, OR the video in question that I'm talking
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  about with, with my guest today was the 23rd or 24th of April, I
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  think something like that five years ago in 2020.
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  And so, so this episode this week, we weren't doing the
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  podcast back then, but it was an interview type type video.
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  I had just recently started the podcast or, or yeah, the podcast
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  wasn't quite rolling yet. I had I've been dabbling a bit
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  in it, but my video content was, was much different.
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  My my style was, was much different.
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  The, the aesthetic, the look of everything was, was a lot
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  different. And I've grown a lot since then.
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  And my guest today has also shared in in some of that
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  journey of my growth and his growth as well.
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  So anyway, that that that video was was was titled A shaman
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  interviews of Vidki, and we're going to kind of not relive that
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  episode today where we're going to talk about other things.
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  But I do know, as far as I'm aware that he does have some
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  questions for me. So it's going to kind of be like
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  a little celebration of that of that episode from from years
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  ago. So you know him, you love him,
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  and if you don't, you're going to find out about him today.
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  Welcome to the show, Joshua Bright spirit Pennington, my
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  good brother from another mother across Appalachia.
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  Welcome to the show, man. Thank you.
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  Thank you. Always an honor to be here with
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  you, brother. Yeah, and it's an honor to have
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  you back. And just thinking back on where
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  our friendship started, where our relationship started, it
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  started over social media. And, and that that video that I
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  alluded to before where you came on my channel on YouTube and
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  asked me some questions and the, the growth of things, you know,
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  the growth of ourselves, our lives, both individually and
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  shared. It's been quite, a, quite a
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  thing to reflect upon, you know? At the time, I was watching your
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  content, the things that you were putting out, and I was sort
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  of doing my own little interview project, reaching out to content
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  creators and people that were sharing in that scope, in that
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  range for that community. And yeah, five years.
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  Yeah, it's been it. Doesn't seem like it at all.
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  Yeah, I don't know, right. I, I saw, you know, a week or
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  two ago when kind of like my social media memories bring
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  things up and I'm going, man, it's, it's been that long, you
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  know, and I look at me and I look at you and, you know, it
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  was, it was a much different time.
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  And it's for, for such a short period of time to have lapsed.
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  A lot has changed, you know, you've, you've, you've
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  definitely embraced a different approach to your, to your, to
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  your work. Just, you know, not, not just,
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  you know, physical work. I mean, like that's been, I
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  think kind of a, a constant, but it's evolved and it's growing
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  with your spirit work too. Would you?
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  Wouldn't you say? Absolutely, but I think that's
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  important for everyone to do, no matter what your pursuits are in
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  life, you've got to give yourself room to grow and to
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  evolve, and you've got to give yourself permission to roll with
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  those changes. That's kind of what life is all
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  about. There were some huge changes
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  that came about right around five years ago, especially for
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  your type of work in content creating.
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  We had COVID come in and suddenly a lot shifted to
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  online. People were tapping into their
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  their laptops and tablets and PCs and phones more for social
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  media and for music and podcasts and video and all that stuff.
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  So little did we know at that interview point that that was
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  kind of like a a jump off point for all of this kind of stuff.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Have have you, have you rewatched that that that video
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  at all since? I have not.
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  I told myself I wasn't going to just so that I could keep this
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  one unique. Yeah.
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  And honest and genuine. And like you said, not to relive
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  that that first go around, but to let this be its own thing.
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  I thought about it, that I told myself not to just live in a
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  moment here now. Yeah, maybe.
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  Maybe you watch it after this one comes out, you know, and do
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  I'll. Put two screens open right
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  Switch back and forth. Yeah, do like a little reaction
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  thing to it all. I, I didn't, I don't think I've
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  watched the whole thing in its entirety, but I did when I saw
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  it come up on my memories. I'm like, oh man, you know, let
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  me just take a walk down memory lane and, you know, your
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  aesthetic, you know, was different back then.
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  My quality of, of production was different, you know, and it's,
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  and it's obviously what it is now.
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  But, but we made it work the way it, when we made it work.
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  And it was, and it was fun and we got a lot of good feedback
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  too from it. There was a lot of people from
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  both your side and mine who were really excited to to see both of
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  us. Talking.
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  That's an awesome, awesome thing with this too.
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  Even five years later, a lot of those same people that tuned in
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  for that video and that interview, we're still both
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  friends with and connected to and talk to on a regular basis.
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  Some really, really great people that I've met through your
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  avenues and channel that are great, great friends of mine now
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  and we keep in touch and they support my work as well as yours
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  and that's always a plus. Definitely.
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  Thank you. Thank you, by the way, for that
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  commercial spot. At the beginning I completely
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  forgot that that thing existed, so I appreciate that.
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  Yeah. Oh yeah, true.
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  The that that is a feature at every episode.
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  You guys are kind of AI don't want to say a a paid sponsor,
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  but your promotion is, is on my show every week.
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  That, that, that is part of the intro to, to every show, no
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  matter what. I'm, I'm always happy to make
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  sure that people know about your crafts and what you do.
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  And it's great having you here to be the face of that and
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  represent that as you do. And but yeah, absolutely.
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  Yeah. It's an honor.
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  Thank you. Yeah.
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  Yeah, no worries. I I think back then it was
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  Heathen's greetings I. Had one of those Facebook
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  memories pop up for me the other day too, and it was when I'd
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  shared sort of like a a little celebration thing and a big
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  thank you for the support. But it was Hayden's.
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  Greetings US had reached 500 sales.
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  OK. Wow, that's that's an awesome,
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  awesome marketer. I really never had thought about
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  sharing my work with the public. It was more crafting for
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  personal and for friends, and my wife encouraged me to start
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  sharing a little more openly with the things that I was
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  creating. And I didn't expect it to take
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  off like it did or to be where I'm at today full time.
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  It's a blessing, absolute blessing.
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  Yeah, I mean, it's afforded you the opportunity to really have
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  involved, you know, be involved with your, with your family,
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  with your children. I think, Hey, I think at the
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  time that of that interview that long was, was Stellan even born
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  yet? He might have just been born.
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  I don't. Yeah.
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  But yeah, I mean, Elva, you know, your kids were so small.
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  You've got newest one on the, you know, here now just a just a
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  little baby. And yeah, so and being here
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  along that journey, you know, like I was saying before, you
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  know, growing, literally growing a family and being a part of
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  that in, in some sort of way is, is, has been truly amazing.
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  Yeah, that and your visits here to spend time with my family,
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  not just at features like Fire on the Mountain, but the time
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  you spent up here at the Red Ghost Camp.
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  The Viking experience this year. I got a chance to see you both
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  there. Yeah, and Arden, the newest.
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  Yeah. Got to meet the baby.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  So you, you were, you were recalling 500 sales five years
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  ago when it was Heathen's greetings US five years later,
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  Fialva to your workshop, you're at what now or what's the most
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  milestone thing that you can recall having passed on sales?
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  We had a few that I've shared, but there have also been some
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  other things like 5 star reviews that I've shared all time.
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  Just on the work that we put on Etsy right now is just over
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  9000. Wow.
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  Just over 9000 sales, but we've also got fialvatier.com, that
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  direct shop, and White Spirit dot art where I can share a
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  little bit more of my Appalachian roots and family
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  work. But there's a lot that doesn't
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  go on the Etsy platform. They've got a lot of rules and
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  regulations about what can be for sale and what can't.
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  And it's not that there's anything illegal, everything
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  that I do and produces above the board, licensed, registered, all
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  that good stuff, but they're behind the times on their
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  regulations. And so just as an example,
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  things like anything with black bear, black bear claws or hide
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  or fur or anything like that can't go on the Etsy, even
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  though it's it doesn't have any sort of protected status.
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  And I honor every piece that I work with, no matter if it's
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  plant, animal, tree. So I don't want it to sound dry
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  as we're talking about some of those insurance and outs and
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  particulars like it's not a protected species, like it's not
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  cared about. It's open.
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  People bear hunt, people eat bear meat.
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  It's a thriving population, especially here in North
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  Carolina. I think we've got, if not the
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  largest in the country, maybe the second largest black bear
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  population managed very, very well, very responsibly done.
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  And so it's a great honor for me to share some of that work with
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  the public. Just not on Etsy.
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  They don't, they don't let it go through.
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  So yeah, just a little over 9000 on Etsy, but again, we've got
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  the the Direct store, Bright spirit.org and then all of our
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  in person work. The festival, like you just
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  mentioned, the Viking Experience Festival hands down has got to
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  be one of the favorite things that I've ever worked at.
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  Just such a great atmosphere. It's organized well, planned,
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  well laid out well. It provides so many
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  opportunities for people to connect and reconnect.
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  We got to spend time there together with so many of our
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  friends that we're able to make it out and come say, hey, just
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  awesome, awesome event. I really enjoy doing those in
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  person type things. It changes the whole dynamic to
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  hand someone something that you handmade versus, you know,
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  boxing it up and putting it in a package and sending it across
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  States and states to, to get where it needs to go.
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  That's OK too. There's just really something
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  special about handing a person something that you've made and
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  seeing them take it as their own.
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  Yeah, yeah, I can definitely relate with that on a much
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  smaller scale, having, you know, done certain craftings of my own
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  rune sets, but, you know, doing rune readings, you know, like
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  having the space with a person, the time with the person,
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  sharing space and having time with the person.
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  Like that's, that's the type of work that I that I personally
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  feel. You know, you can't really
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  capture the essence of what you're doing in that way with
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  that kind of work over long distance.
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  It's there. There's something lost through
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  that inability to to connect with that person face to face.
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  There's no real exchange of energy.
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  It's not like you really agree. Yeah, that's wild, man.
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  All right. So not reliving that episode,
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  but to honor the spirit of the interview style of that episode,
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  I did have a few things that I wanted to talk to you about that
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  are not just curiosities of mine that I think would be some
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  things that your viewers and listeners would like to hear a
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  little bit more on as well, given that we don't have a
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  direct topic or anything that we're talking on.
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  You kind of mentioned it a little bit at the beginning and
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  we talked on it a little bit just a few minutes ago, but it's
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  been five years. Technology has changed so much
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  over just these last five years, new apps and new avenues and new
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  trends and things. I don't think TikTok was even a
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  thing back then, and I don't think that you do TikTok.
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  But for content creators, I think a lot has changed, a lot
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  of the dynamics in your approach to your work.
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  I know there for a period, Shorts became a thing, Reels
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  became a thing. So how do you feel about the way
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  that the last five years have transitioned for Midgard
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  musings, random heathen ramblings?
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  How do you feel that you've handled some of those changes
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  and shifts and trends in viewership and in listenership
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  via, you know, here, your Patreon, Spotify, social media
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  outlets? What has that journey been like
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  for you over the last five years?
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  Yeah, I've definitely learned a lot about the type of creator
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  that I am when faced with the challenges that came up and
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  'cause, you know, one of the big, one of the big things about
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  being a content creator is staying relevant, you know, and
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  not getting buried in an algorithm.
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  So, so much of what drives content creators to do what they
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  do is to find ways of staying relevant with their content.
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  You know, one of the challenges with that is to not compromise
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  your integrity and your originality by just jumping on
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  the latest trendy bandwagon of something to do and become in
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  genuine, you know, and I had I hit a point a few years back
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  that. I, I, I found myself getting
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  dangerously close to, you know, I was, I was repurposing content
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  that I thought would get me views and clicks and likes and
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  reactions and, and attention and trying to use them to boost my
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  reach ability, my views, you know, all that stuff.
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  And then still do my, my normal long form content, whether it
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  was podcasting or live streams or, or any of that other long
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  form content, you know, where people can sit down for 20-30
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  minutes at a time and, and get something.
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  So what I learned though, was that, you know, that's that
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  short form content is great for gather like collecting a fan
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  base or, or, or getting people to notice you.
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  Because one of the things that happened with, with, with like
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  the, the COVID pandemic and then social media, the reels, the
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  shorts, the TikTok trends, you know, people just doom scroll.
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  They'll, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll not
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  even absorb anything of value and they'll just see, you know,
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  a few seconds of something and they'll move on.
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  So you got to be captivating in that first few seconds.
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  You got to give somebody something, a reason to want to
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  stop with their doom scrolling and see what it is that you're
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  doing. And I caught into that trend and
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  I'm like, what am I even offering?
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  How can I do anything of value for what, you know, I believe in
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  and what I'm doing this for within, you know, 30 to to 60
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  seconds or 90 seconds or whatever it was.
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  And I, and I ate right around the time that my YouTube channel
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  got demonetized is when I realized, you know, you're going
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  down a path of just trying to stay trendy, trying to be
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  popular. You're, you're losing your
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  values and you need to go back to that.
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  What did you originally start mid guard musings for?
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  What was the impetus behind this thing?
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  And I had to do some of that reflection upon myself and go,
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  you know what, these likes, these views, these followers and
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  all this stuff, it doesn't matter.
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  It's cool, it looks nice or whatever.
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  It's like a neat little achievement award or something
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  that you get to say, oh, I've got 20,000 this or 6000 that or
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  whatever. End of the day, really doesn't
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  matter because I'm not, I'm not obligated to these people in
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  that sort of in, in any sort of tangible way.
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  You know, if I stop making content or I stop releasing a
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  podcast, it would, you know, some people would miss it and
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  it'd be disappointing, but they'd find something else, you
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  know, and, and so I had to go back and I go, so then why am I
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  doing this? You know, who am I doing this
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  for? And once I re evaluated my
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  approach to things and didn't focus so much on being trendy
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  or, or what was popular and just doing what was genuine, things
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  changed for me. You know, I, I, I, I moved over
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  to the Patreon platform to say, all right, well, if you're going
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  to support what I do, you want to watch what I do, then then
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  here's the place to do it. If you don't, then don't.
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  I'm not making you do it, you know, and it also helped keep
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  my, my mental health in check because the internet's a, a wild
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  place. And when you put yourself out
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  here in any sort of way, you know, you're, you're, you're,
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  you're opening yourself up to just about anybody and anything
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  to, to criticize and to just troll you.
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  And, you know, I, I wouldn't want to be creating content for
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  a living. It would drive me absolutely
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  bananas because of all of the trends and the this and then the
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  people saying what they're saying, you know?
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  And so, yeah, I mean it one of the, like I said over the last
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  five years, one of the things that that really spoke to me was
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  you can still be a part of this social media thing with the
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  reels, the short form content and all this without sacrificing
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  your integrity, without compromising what you're doing
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  and just be genuine and be true. And that's, that's what I,
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  that's what I learned through. The the shorts like the shorts
• 24:35
  and the reels are almost for your work, kind of like the
• 24:39
  preview for a movie. Like the Yeah Yeah gives people.
• 24:44
  This is what I'm about, and if you want to see the movie,
• 24:47
  here's where it's playing. And I totally get it.
• 24:50
  The Patreon move your content is educational, so that small
• 24:56
  Patreon subscription is almost kind of like a library card.
• 25:01
  You pay for that library card and then you got access to all
• 25:04
  this information that you can learn from and grow from and.
• 25:11
  Yeah, I I didn't think that it was going to do well honestly,
• 25:16
  because I'm like, who wants to pay to listen to me talk about
• 25:19
  what I talk about, you know, but people have and it's nice, you
• 25:23
  know, like I say, it's it's it's not anything that, you know, the
• 25:26
  dollar is an is an important thing nowadays.
• 25:28
  It's at it's what everybody requires to to to survive with
• 25:32
  now and and leave the. Value of that you got to eat.
• 25:35
  You got to eat, you got to keep a roof over your heads, you
• 25:38
  know, So I mean, even what I do, as little as it is, I mean,
• 25:42
  that's a dollar of whatever it is that could be going towards
• 25:44
  something else. And people have repeatedly
• 25:47
  chosen to include that, you know, as a, as a form of
• 25:52
  support. So it's and I and, and, you
• 25:54
  know, seeing that and, and, and realizing that that's what
• 26:00
  people are doing makes me want to be more to, to stay genuine.
• 26:05
  You know, the, oh, they're, they're paying for what I am and
• 26:08
  who I am. They're not paying for something
• 26:09
  else. They're not paying for an
• 26:10
  entertainer. They're you know what I mean?
• 26:13
  It's educational and it's it's your time, it's your research,
• 26:18
  it's your experience that you're sharing.
• 26:21
  So those things, absolutely. Yeah.
• 26:24
  Would you say that it would be more the same or less?
• 26:30
  And I don't want to use the term competitive, but would you say
• 26:35
  there are more, the same or less content creators in this
• 26:41
  community? Heathen reenorse paganism.
• 26:45
  People that are making the same kind of content that's
• 26:47
  educational compared to five years ago.
• 26:55
  I think I definitely don't think that there's more than there
• 27:00
  were five years ago. It's probably less.
• 27:07
  I mean, and here's why some people who I've seen, you know,
• 27:12
  that I, that I used to, to see put content out five years ago,
• 27:19
  don't do it anymore for various reasons, some of which I don't
• 27:25
  know, but obviously, but I, I suspect that one of the reasons
• 27:30
  could be burnout. You know, maybe they just
• 27:35
  realize that this was a great idea at 1st and you know, you
• 27:38
  get that, that spark and you don't want to do something.
• 27:40
  And then you see the work that's required to put into it.
• 27:44
  And you know, you're not, if you're not in it for the, for
• 27:48
  the right reasons, you get burnt out, you get discouraged.
• 27:50
  You get, you know, and that was the other thing too.
• 27:52
  Like you see if you, if you if, and that's why I said I didn't
• 27:56
  want to ever think about making a living doing so, you know,
• 27:59
  content creation, because you start looking at all the
• 28:02
  analytical metrics. If things, certain things aren't
• 28:08
  performing a certain way metrically, you know, now you're
• 28:11
  thinking about that and instead of being genuine with your
• 28:15
  content. And I'm like, man, I couldn't, I
• 28:17
  couldn't stay that way all the time, you know, like it's it
• 28:22
  would, it would, it would drive me bonker.
• 28:23
  So I don't and I don't really follow a whole lot of other
• 28:27
  content creators there. There are a few that I've
• 28:29
  maintained and and still watch or listen to you.
• 28:32
  Wanna give them a shout out? Yeah, I mean we.
• 28:36
  Don't have to, but if you want to plug them.
• 28:38
  It's. Your shame?
• 28:39
  There's, there's, there's and he doesn't really do a lot on
• 28:43
  YouTube, but he he does a lot on on the Facebook community.
• 28:46
  So the Altsa do Germanic Heathenry.
• 28:50
  So Altsa do is the Facebook group.
• 28:52
  Germanic Heathenry is the page. Robert Sass is the man behind it
• 28:57
  all. And he's a reconstructionist,
• 28:59
  old ways heathen of the Saxon beliefs, you know, so that he's
• 29:03
  he's of a Saxon heathen persuasion.
• 29:07
  But he does a lot of work, well researched blog articles.
• 29:12
  And he does have a YouTube channel, doesn't really do a lot
• 29:14
  on the YouTube channel, but that's a guy that I've
• 29:18
  consistently maintained visibility with and I've had him
• 29:20
  on the show several times as well.
• 29:23
  Scott Shell, Doctor Scott Shell. He has a YouTube channel and
• 29:28
  it's such a a long like it's not an easy thing.
• 29:32
  And even he admits that he's like, if you just search my name
• 29:35
  on YouTube, you'll find it. But he does a great he does
• 29:40
  great work more the linguistic sides.
• 29:43
  I remember him. He's a linguist and so he he
• 29:47
  speaks and and understands Old Saxon and other dramatic
• 29:50
  languages. Norse magic and belief I I still
• 29:54
  catch some of his stuff. I can't remember his name off
• 29:57
  the top of my head, but Norse Magic and Belief is another
• 30:01
  YouTube channel that that does really good, well researched
• 30:06
  videos. Nordic animism, the rune
• 30:09
  Rasmussen rune rune, you know what I'm talking about.
• 30:14
  He's. Danish I think.
• 30:15
  I really like his stuff, reclaiming the animistic side of
• 30:20
  Nordic beliefs and going down that path is is because I've
• 30:25
  I've I've I've in my heathenry, I've I've shifted into a very
• 30:31
  animistic view of the world. He's he's.
• 30:36
  Another one that. That's been putting out stuff
• 30:38
  for years that I still follow. So yeah, those are some guys
• 30:41
  that have that have at least maintained what they do and have
• 30:44
  been pretty consistent about it that I still enjoy so.
• 30:47
  Would you say? For a lot of those that have
• 30:50
  fallen off or that you don't see any more.
• 30:54
  A big part of that may. Be that shift or that change in
• 30:58
  how people are consuming that they have shifted to that 1530
• 31:04
  seconds short form content. Just quick things, reels almost.
• 31:08
  What was that app back in the day?
• 31:10
  Vine? Oh yeah.
• 31:12
  Quick videos it was like. Vine was the first TikTok or
• 31:15
  something like that, yeah. But would you say?
• 31:19
  The rise of those short form content creators may have pushed
• 31:24
  some of those educators out. They're just kind of there for
• 31:28
  1015 seconds of entertainment. I mean, I, I definitely.
• 31:36
  Think that it has you can't you can't say that it didn't have an
• 31:40
  impact on on people because. You know it it.
• 31:44
  It's one of those like double edged sword situations I feel,
• 31:47
  'cause you can, you can leave clues or hints or bread crumbs
• 31:51
  for people within the very short period of time that can drive
• 31:54
  them to want to check out more things like that.
• 31:57
  So in some ways it, it, it does have some benefit, but if all
• 32:02
  you're doing is just in it for the, you know, for, for that,
• 32:06
  for that quick hit of something and you're not willing to take
• 32:09
  any time or do anything, then yeah, I can see how people that
• 32:13
  do like Eric Shervin, for example, you know, he shifted
• 32:16
  too, he shifted away from YouTube and went into the TikTok
• 32:19
  areas of things. And he was getting a lot of
• 32:22
  engagement on TikTok because of that.
• 32:25
  So he was able to leverage that platform with his education and
• 32:31
  his style of learning because he was, you know, when I was
• 32:33
  starting with creating content on YouTube, like he was one of
• 32:36
  the first people that I saw doing anything really
• 32:40
  interesting with Heathenry. He was one of my inspirations to
• 32:44
  to get into doing stuff online, you know, and to learn more and
• 32:47
  to be a, you know, not just be some.
• 32:51
  Oh, I watched Vikings a few times and I read a couple of
• 32:53
  books and I have a copy of the Prose Edda or the Poetic Edda
• 32:56
  and I've got a Mueller and I can talk about stuff on the Internet
• 32:58
  now, you know, like if you've. Read a couple of Wikipedia
• 33:03
  articles. Just go ahead and.
• 33:05
  Slap. The scholar name tag on me,
• 33:09
  right? Yeah, that's I had to ask.
• 33:13
  Because the whole time we're talking about this, a song that
• 33:16
  keeps playing over in my head, that video killed the radio
• 33:20
  star. Yeah.
• 33:23
  Yeah. So like that, there has been
• 33:25
  that major, major shift and like we're talking about real shorts,
• 33:29
  TikTok came about the way that we fill our, our free time kind
• 33:37
  of changed a little bit. We're looking for that quick
• 33:40
  feed. A lot of people are, but then
• 33:42
  there are still those who are. And it's good to hear.
• 33:46
  Looking for that time and someone that who's put the work
• 33:51
  in and sharing and educating. So thank you for still doing
• 33:57
  what you do and. Being one of the Ogs.
• 34:02
  Now one of the veterans still having at it your values and
• 34:08
  maintaining those. I appreciate the.
• 34:13
  I appreciate you saying that, brother, because I can't tell
• 34:16
  you, You know, there's been plenty times where I've, for
• 34:20
  various reasons, you know, I've, I've come this close to just.
• 34:27
  Turning everything off. And just saying the hell with
• 34:29
  it. And I think some of that can be,
• 34:36
  you know, again, when when you as a, as a.
• 34:41
  Whether it's a. Podcast or or video or whatever,
• 34:44
  you know, whatever content you're putting out, you know,
• 34:46
  there's, it's inevitable. You, you, you get this sense of
• 34:51
  an obligation that you have to some degree of, of OK, well,
• 34:56
  I've got to put this this video out on this day at this time, or
• 35:00
  I've got to release this episode at this time, this side or the
• 35:02
  other. You know, I've got to do these
• 35:03
  things. I've got to meet these
• 35:04
  expectations and then you don't want to let.
• 35:10
  People down? Yeah, you don't want to let
• 35:12
  people. Down, but, you know, and then
• 35:13
  and then and then at the same time, at least for me, I was
• 35:18
  like, well, what does it matter even anyway, you know, like, OK,
• 35:23
  so they'll miss me for a little while or they'll they'll wish I
• 35:26
  was it. But but really, what it what
• 35:29
  what value do I bring? Really?
• 35:32
  You know, and I've questioned myself a lot.
• 35:35
  You know, I've questioned those times where you were.
• 35:37
  Like teetering on that burnout like you were talking about.
• 35:40
  Yeah, not quite there, but feeling close to it.
• 35:47
  Something else that I did. Not know about you five years
• 35:50
  ago that I know now your community work, the things that
• 35:56
  you go out and attend in person throughout.
• 36:02
  Your whole surrounding. Area.
• 36:06
  They're put. Together in part by different
• 36:09
  groups and different organizations, local kindreds,
• 36:12
  but that grass root type community work face to face.
• 36:19
  How? Has that been?
• 36:20
  Going. Has that picked up?
• 36:23
  I know that you. Go and you provide ritual.
• 36:27
  At some of. These events and ruin readings
• 36:31
  at some of these events and educational classes at some of
• 36:35
  these events. I've seen some of the videos
• 36:38
  that were recorded of you teaching.
• 36:41
  How has that whole thing been going?
• 36:45
  Yeah, it's actually kind of dialed back a little bit with
• 36:52
  where I go and, and how often I'm out in, in some of those
• 36:56
  things. You know, I'm, I'm big on the
• 36:59
  importance of in person experiences, you know, boots on
• 37:04
  the ground, the grassroots level of Heathenry cause the the, the
• 37:09
  values that Heathenry. You know carries.
• 37:14
  With it is is every community is everything your people are,
• 37:18
  everything you know you're not, you're not going to experience.
• 37:23
  Things. That that heathenry carry like
• 37:27
  stumble for example. You know, you can't, you can't
• 37:29
  experience stumble by yourself. You have to have a group of
• 37:33
  people to to partake in that ritual with.
• 37:37
  You can definitely have, you know, solitary practices,
• 37:41
  isolated ceremonies and, and rituals that you perform as a,
• 37:46
  as a solitary practice in heathen.
• 37:49
  But things like bloat or, or ritual with a community ritual
• 37:53
  with your people like that is, you know, I've been big on that
• 37:57
  for a long time. So I, I do, I, I do like to
• 38:01
  partake in that, in that aspect with people, but.
• 38:06
  When you. Get to be around people and you
• 38:11
  see people behaving and acting the way that they do.
• 38:20
  One of the things that comes with the desire to want to be
• 38:22
  around people's eye. You see free people for who they
• 38:24
  are and then you go, I don't want to be around them.
• 38:28
  I don't want to share in assemble with them.
• 38:30
  I don't want to share in ritual with them.
• 38:32
  So there's there's part of that degree of my involvement with
• 38:37
  the community that has dialed back a lot.
• 38:41
  Because it's not. About quantity to me anymore.
• 38:44
  It's not about how many gatherings can I attend, you
• 38:48
  know, how many places can I show up and be at to do this, that or
• 38:52
  the other. It's who's going to be there,
• 38:55
  what's going to be going on, and are they my people?
• 39:00
  You know, it's like that. Joke.
• 39:03
  Before you invite me anywhere now, I'm going to ask who all's
• 39:05
  over there, you know? And, and that's, that's, that's
• 39:09
  happened, you know, because I'm, you know, I'm not just, I'm not
• 39:12
  just me, you know, I, I, I have a family and a lot of times at
• 39:18
  these events, you know, my family goes with me, my wife and
• 39:21
  my bonus son. And you know that that extension
• 39:25
  of our of our of our roof. Tree.
• 39:28
  And I have to look, they're my number one responsibility and
• 39:33
  and obligation and not everybody else.
• 39:36
  So if if there's a situation there's something that is
• 39:39
  compromising to my roof tree, I'm not gonna, I'm gonna go.
• 39:43
  Hang out with. People that, that could be a,
• 39:46
  you know, a threat to that or, or compromise that in any way.
• 39:50
  So, yeah, it's, it's, it's one of those things that it's, I
• 39:54
  still do attend certain things like for example, I, I helped
• 40:02
  host or, or hosted a, a, a, a cigar bloat ritual this past
• 40:06
  month, you know, and it was out of public park and, and a lot of
• 40:10
  people came from. A good ways away, you know, some
• 40:13
  people came from an hour and a half away or two hours away just
• 40:17
  to come out and to have a meal and to and to share a ritual
• 40:21
  that that afternoon. And they're good people, you
• 40:25
  know. And it was you know, when you,
• 40:27
  when you, when you host public events, you, you know, you leave
• 40:30
  it open to the public and say, well, if people want to come,
• 40:32
  they can come. You're taking a chance, you
• 40:36
  know, 'cause you never know who's going to show up.
• 40:38
  It's we can't tell you no, that I mean, I guess you can in in a
• 40:43
  certain way you can, you can keep it closed off if you want
• 40:45
  to, but it's a public park and you know, you can't just run
• 40:47
  people off for, for. I don't like.
• 40:50
  The way you look or the way you smell, the way you talk or this
• 40:52
  or that, you know, But it's neat 'cause when, when you, you go
• 40:57
  into the like, at least what I found is when when I go into
• 40:59
  these situations with the right purpose behind it, the
• 41:07
  uncontrollable aspects of things tend to work themselves out and
• 41:11
  stressing about them and worrying about them is needless.
• 41:15
  It puts a stress on me that I didn't need.
• 41:19
  And so I just kind of give it up to.
• 41:22
  I'm doing the right thing. And I know that by doing the
• 41:24
  right thing, all this other stuff that I would typically
• 41:27
  want to worry about is a non issue and I don't have to worry
• 41:31
  about it. So I have to worry about people.
• 41:33
  Coming that I don't want to come.
• 41:36
  They know whether they. Know whether they're welcome or
• 41:38
  not, and they they'll they won't show up if they're not and I
• 41:41
  don't have to worry about it. A little more recent.
• 41:47
  I. Don't know what kind of.
• 41:50
  Is contrary to the quality over quantity.
• 41:57
  But you attended the Viking Experience.
• 41:59
  What was your take on that? It was your first time coming.
• 42:02
  I've worked that for three years now.
• 42:06
  This has been the biggest one. We're talking thousands and
• 42:10
  thousands of people. What was your take on working
• 42:14
  that event? You were there providing written
• 42:16
  readings and had some wares for sale also.
• 42:21
  So how did that kind of fit into all this, where you've been a
• 42:25
  little more careful about the people that you're around?
• 42:29
  But at the same time, it's a completely different event.
• 42:31
  Like we're not doing ritual there, we're not doing ceremony
• 42:34
  there. It is open to the public, but
• 42:37
  it's a massive, massive event. That you got.
• 42:41
  To work in person and exchange in that way person to person
• 42:47
  with your services there. Yeah, I mean, I loved.
• 42:53
  I loved. The experience, I loved the
• 42:56
  organization of it all and what I mean by, you know, the
• 43:00
  orderliness of it all the challenges that I face getting
• 43:06
  there and finding where I was supposed to be and all that.
• 43:08
  I mean, that's to be expected because I had never attended
• 43:11
  anything on that scale before in the capacity that I was
• 43:16
  attending it. So, you know, I've gone to
• 43:19
  plenty Renaissance festivals and been at, at things that the TVE
• 43:23
  does kind of have, you know, it's very reminiscent of of
• 43:27
  Renaissance Fair or that sort of a thing.
• 43:31
  But being a part of it in the capacity that I was this time
• 43:36
  really caused me to appreciate the the, the level of work and
• 43:41
  the orderliness that that goes into making something like that
• 43:45
  go off without a hitch or with, with minimal hiccups, you know,
• 43:51
  and then interacting with the public in that capacity was.
• 43:58
  You know I. Didn't, I didn't know what to
• 44:00
  expect and, and I was pleasantly surprised, you know, I didn't
• 44:04
  feel too overwhelmed at any given point in time, the, the
• 44:09
  nature of the work that I was there to do or the service that
• 44:11
  I was there to provide can tend to be or, or, you know, there is
• 44:16
  a propensity for it to, to wear on one's spirit because you're
• 44:21
  dealing with divination and, and exchange of energy with people
• 44:26
  who I've never seen before. I'm, I'm there with you for 1520
• 44:30
  minutes or whatever and then you're on your way.
• 44:32
  You know, there's a lot of that that I didn't know how I was
• 44:36
  going to to be, you know, 'cause I know what I've done in the
• 44:41
  past and how I felt in the past doing other personal or, or
• 44:45
  other in person room readings. And there have been days and
• 44:48
  moments where, you know, I get done with a reading for somebody
• 44:51
  and I go, I need a break. Like I need AI need to step
• 44:54
  away. I need to collect myself.
• 44:56
  I need to ground or whatever, you know, kind of collect myself
• 45:01
  again after that one, 'cause you know, that one, really, that one
• 45:05
  really knocked me off for a loop.
• 45:07
  And I didn't get that feeling from from TV and I don't know if
• 45:11
  it was because, well. I do.
• 45:14
  Know what it was, why it was, why I didn't get that feeling
• 45:18
  there was there were certain elements to what I was doing at
• 45:23
  TV that weren't the that weren't present in previous Rune
• 45:27
  readings that I've done. Even down to.
• 45:32
  The surface that the the rune readings were being cast upon,
• 45:36
  you know, casting runes on a on a, on a bear skin, you know,
• 45:42
  that energy, that spirit I felt was a critical and essential.
• 45:49
  Component. To keep things from getting too.
• 45:55
  Flighty, you know. Too.
• 45:57
  Too heady in a way. Like I, I, I genuinely feel that
• 46:01
  the, the, the, the bare spirit, that essence was there to keep
• 46:04
  things grounded and keep things rooted and strong, you know?
• 46:11
  So it. Was it was a very unique
• 46:16
  experience. I'm I'm glad to have had it and.
• 46:21
  I learned a lot from. Just seeing how an event like
• 46:25
  this is, is coordinated, seeing the people there, the the
• 46:27
  vendors, the the, the staff, everything it was, it was, it
• 46:32
  was something to behold. I think one of the things that.
• 46:36
  I appreciate most about TVE of all the events that have worked
• 46:41
  is. They kind of have.
• 46:44
  That same sentiment as you as the years roll by maintaining
• 46:50
  those core values, educating. Being.
• 46:56
  Historically accurate staff and the educators and the workshops
• 47:02
  that are held there are all done very well in a way that it's a
• 47:07
  great learning opportunity. It's not like a a cosplay thing
• 47:12
  or a dress up thing. Like the public can do whatever
• 47:15
  they want. You come in, I think I saw one
• 47:17
  guy walking around dressed as like, where's Waldo?
• 47:21
  Yeah, I saw that guy. There was a drunk.
• 47:24
  Mermaid Guy. The public.
• 47:28
  You can come. However you want to.
• 47:29
  But as far as the event and the staff and coordinators and
• 47:33
  organizers and everybody that pitches in with their classes
• 47:38
  and workshops, it's a great, great learning opportunity if
• 47:41
  you're interested in that Viking era.
• 47:45
  Yeah, Guy that was from Sweden. They're doing rune workshops,
• 47:50
  like really, really cutting all the crap out that's come along
• 47:56
  over the last 1520 years when it comes to runes to really kind of
• 48:02
  get it straight from the source referencing the rune stones.
• 48:06
  And he's just, he's an awesome guy.
• 48:10
  So many people put in so much work for those things.
• 48:13
  Great, great stuff. Speaking of guys putting in work
• 48:17
  for things, we've got another year of Fire on the Mountain
• 48:22
  coming up, not to be confused with Fire in the Mountains.
• 48:26
  I know that's a hot thing right now going to be going on up in
• 48:31
  the Blackfoot lands. A lot of music happening there
• 48:38
  on our Celvic or Druna, I think Black Braid.
• 48:43
  Yeah, it's a whole like. Music festival thing, I think
• 48:45
  right, we're going to be going up to.
• 48:46
  That but our thing. Is a.
• 48:49
  Fire on the Mountain kind of Harkins back to around that same
• 48:54
  time five years ago. We're in Year 5 now of it.
• 48:59
  Yeah, this is our fifth year. Isn't it?
• 49:01
  Yeah, all. Kind of started.
• 49:04
  We met online like so many people do, but then we had the
• 49:07
  opportunity to actually meet in person, exchange that energy and
• 49:13
  that spirit, sit around a table and talk, have real
• 49:15
  conversation. Not that stuff like this isn't
• 49:18
  real conversation, but like you were saying, when you're in
• 49:21
  person with somebody, you can read that person and feel, you
• 49:26
  know, that energy and that spirit.
• 49:28
  And so thankful that you and your wife had that trip planned
• 49:34
  that year and just so happened to be coming through.
• 49:37
  And one of the biggest takeaways in all of my time with Norse
• 49:44
  paganism is probably that opening section of the Hollow
• 49:50
  Mall. That sort of etiquette.
• 49:54
  Section on as a guest and as a host, having that opportunity to
• 50:03
  host a traveller passing through on the way to their destination.
• 50:09
  We were just kind of a stopover. It's a long, long drive for you
• 50:13
  guys to get where you were going.
• 50:14
  So we were a little over the halfway point, but we're able to
• 50:19
  be of service and provide a a place to stop in, stay over for
• 50:24
  the night, grab a meal. And it kind of all just.
• 50:29
  Really became. Real then.
• 50:32
  And there we were friends or else I wouldn't have welcomed
• 50:35
  you. I know it says to welcome the
• 50:37
  stranger, but I got kids here. So depends on this kind of year,
• 50:43
  but we were friends and I was so glad that you guys were taking
• 50:46
  that trip that year and we had that opportunity to connect
• 50:49
  because since then we've gotten together at least once a year,
• 50:52
  every year. On some occasions.
• 50:56
  Multiple times a year, even though we live hundreds of miles
• 51:00
  apart. And again, coming back.
• 51:04
  Into firearm and outcoming up this year.
• 51:09
  Yeah, I, I. You know, I, I still think about
• 51:14
  how I felt that first time coming up your driveway.
• 51:18
  And, you know, five years ago, we had no idea that that was
• 51:26
  going to be the the start of what fire on the mountain has
• 51:29
  become. We did like.
• 51:32
  Like you were saying April five years ago, but then you ended up
• 51:36
  making that trip November, I think.
• 51:39
  Yeah, it was right. On November.
• 51:41
  Yeah. Yep, 'cause we there for a
• 51:46
  little like we, we would visit my wife's family and you know,
• 51:50
  one part of Salisbury a bit South of where you are.
• 51:55
  But so like that, that, that time of year was, was when we
• 51:59
  would go and visit and said, Hey, you know, we're, we're,
• 52:03
  we've already made it out this far, you know, from Tennessee.
• 52:06
  So what's another, what's another hour and a half or two
• 52:10
  up the mountain and you get, we got to see that beautiful, you
• 52:13
  know, the landscape and the ruggedness of it all.
• 52:15
  And it was. But I just, I, I do, I, I, I'll
• 52:18
  never forget the feeling of, you know, coming up to your house
• 52:22
  the first time and seeing you come out and, and, and getting
• 52:27
  an embrace from you like I had been.
• 52:32
  Part of your family. For a long time, it was like, it
• 52:35
  was like welcoming a long lost friend, a long lost relative.
• 52:38
  You know, it wasn't like, oh, hey, nice to meet you, welcome
• 52:42
  to my home. Let's sit down.
• 52:43
  And, you know, it was very familial, you know what I'm
• 52:45
  saying at least. And, and I still, I get that
• 52:48
  feeling to this day, you know, coming up that hill and, and
• 52:50
  seeing that the landscape and everything, it's, it's like,
• 52:54
  it's like a feeling of coming home, some of that Appalachian.
• 52:59
  Hospitality. Shit man, it's can't have hug.
• 53:03
  If you're going to hug, you get it all, no?
• 53:06
  You know, they say Southern hospitality and of it man, like
• 53:09
  you guys went up it I think in Appalachia we were.
• 53:13
  We were Cindy and I were talking about.
• 53:15
  That whole Southern hospitality thing the other day and dug
• 53:21
  into. A little.
• 53:21
  Little bit this might upset some people watching or listening,
• 53:27
  but in a way Southern hospitality has kind of fizzled
• 53:33
  out. I don't know if it's just the
• 53:37
  general social atmosphere, but you don't see a whole lot of
• 53:43
  that same hospitality that you might have 1520 years ago
• 53:49
  traveling three places. People are more standoffish,
• 53:54
  more to themselves. Yeah, but in the mountains.
• 54:01
  I think it's still very much alive, and I think it comes down
• 54:06
  to the fact that it's always had to be that way.
• 54:12
  Because we are. Isolated.
• 54:15
  You've got to look out for each. Other community even.
• 54:21
  If your nearest. Neighbor is miles away means so
• 54:25
  much if you're in trouble or you're without something.
• 54:31
  So everybody's kind of always looked out for each other here,
• 54:36
  just because the way that life is here as the world has changed
• 54:41
  and progressed and everything is so much more convenient now.
• 54:48
  In the rest of the world. Or in the flat lands.
• 54:53
  You don't see as much of that. Or as much of that hospitality
• 54:57
  as you used to. I'm not saying that.
• 55:00
  Southern people are rude now it's just I think.
• 55:05
  That era. That bore that reputation has
• 55:14
  seen its best days. Well, I wonder if.
• 55:19
  I wonder if there's something to be said for the fact that, you
• 55:23
  know, a lot of places are crowded.
• 55:28
  People get anxious. Yeah, yeah, right.
• 55:32
  And so. Nobody knows one another like
• 55:33
  that because you get these complete strangers moving in
• 55:35
  from out of state or out of wherever, you know, just setting
• 55:38
  up camp and, and setting up residents in you're basically
• 55:42
  your backyard or whatever, you know, And it's like, who are
• 55:45
  these people? And they don't have those values
• 55:47
  because they came from other places that were built up to.
• 55:50
  And it's just, you know, those, those, those values of looking
• 55:56
  out for one another, you know, your neighbors, you knew who
• 55:59
  your neighbors are or were that sense of community.
• 56:04
  It's, it's a dying breed of people that can appreciate what
• 56:08
  that really means anymore because you've got, you know,
• 56:12
  which is ironic cuz look at all the, look at, look at the
• 56:14
  lifestyle that most people are living in nowadays.
• 56:16
  They're living in apartments or condominiums or or stacked up
• 56:20
  like, you know, matchbox units of living one upon another, side
• 56:26
  by side to another, your asses to elbows together, and you
• 56:29
  don't know each other from Adam. These days, it's ironic.
• 56:33
  That you're so close, but yet you're so disconnected from
• 56:36
  people anymore. You know, we've lost so much in
• 56:40
  our. Strive for convenience and of
• 56:46
  course anybody way back in the day would love to have running
• 56:51
  water or the fact that you can live in a house now that has
• 56:55
  multiple rooms where you can just go in and turn a knob and
• 56:58
  outcomes clean drinking water when even up into the late. 70s.
• 57:05
  Early 80s here, people were still walking down to a Creek or
• 57:09
  a spring or out to a well for water.
• 57:17
  Yeah, light. I mean electricity, you know,
• 57:19
  like all those modern amenities late. 70s early. 80s before
• 57:25
  people were getting electric in some places here.
• 57:29
  Allegheny County, Ash County, The next one over are known as
• 57:35
  the Lost Provinces of North Carolina.
• 57:39
  For some of the last. In the state to get any sort of
• 57:44
  connection to the. Rest of.
• 57:47
  The world or to any of the towns or cities, sort of like an
• 57:53
  isolated pocket where it was easier to get to what's now
• 57:58
  geographically southern Virginia or far eastern Tennessee.
• 58:06
  Than you could. Just 20 miles further east from
• 58:10
  here, it was easier to get to Virginia and Tennessee than just
• 58:14
  20 miles down the mountain the other way.
• 58:18
  Infrastructure finally caught up and came through and highways
• 58:23
  and. There's still.
• 58:25
  No highways in this county Interstate, right?
• 58:31
  But. Yeah, it's yeah.
• 58:37
  I mean, you know, it's. It's Wildman like.
• 58:41
  Where I live. Is is even 10 years ago?
• 58:44
  I mean, I moved to this area of Tennessee 10 years ago. 10 years
• 58:50
  ago this this. Year it'll be it'll be 10 years
• 58:52
  that I've lived in in Middle Tennessee Murfreesboro, you
• 58:54
  know, and this city, this town, whatever you know it used to be
• 58:58
  a college town and you know you're you're 40 miles 35
• 59:02
  whatever away from from Nashville, from the from the
• 59:04
  city doesn't feel like it anymore It's like the city got
• 59:08
  closer Oh yeah, didn't. But the the.
• 59:11
  Growth, the, the, the, everything.
• 59:14
  And you know, you say convenience.
• 59:17
  It's, it's, it's interesting to think about that word and, and
• 59:20
  what convenience means, you know, to make things easier, to
• 59:24
  make things more accessible, to make things, you know.
• 59:29
  But at what cost? How convenient is it really when
• 59:34
  we're losing some of those important values of humanity?
• 59:42
  You know, you don't know your neighbor, you don't care about
• 59:45
  your people next door to you. You don't, you know, it's
• 59:48
  everybody's out for themselves. It's, you know, rush, rush,
• 59:51
  rush. You know, dude, there's there's
• 59:53
  so many accidents that happened in town here, people getting hit
• 59:56
  by cars and and motorcycles getting run over because people
• 59:59
  aren't paying attention. What are you in such a damn
• 1:00:01
  hurry about man? What's where's the fire?
• 1:00:03
  Why, why why do you have to be in the front?
• 1:00:06
  They get cut off all the time just trying to get to the next
• 1:00:08
  intersection like you got in front of me 3 seconds sooner.
• 1:00:14
  What? What?
• 1:00:14
  How is that? Convenient you almost caused a
• 1:00:17
  wreck hurt, hurt people. You know what I mean to to to
• 1:00:20
  what just get gain up, gain a position.
• 1:00:22
  This ain't NASCAR, you know, It's like.
• 1:00:26
  I don't get it. I mean, I get it.
• 1:00:29
  I. Understand the what what's
• 1:00:31
  happening, but it's it's still doesn't.
• 1:00:36
  Doesn't make it easier. To to see.
• 1:00:39
  It's wild. That.
• 1:00:43
  Every generation. Kind of says the same thing
• 1:00:46
  about the next generation, that you're going too fast, you need
• 1:00:52
  to slow down, you're in too much of a hurry.
• 1:00:58
  I sound like my parents. But it's that.
• 1:01:00
  Continual progression for convenience and I think
• 1:01:05
  competition in the world. To be seen or to feel.
• 1:01:10
  Important or to make the most money or whatever it is, yeah.
• 1:01:16
  That's. Everybody wants to make a name.
• 1:01:18
  For themselves. And that goes back to like some
• 1:01:20
  of the what you were talking earlier about with like the, the
• 1:01:22
  content creation, you know, look at look at the direction that
• 1:01:25
  content creation has been going in and it has pretty much stayed
• 1:01:28
  in It's, it's how much can you cram into a minute and a half?
• 1:01:32
  And they've, they've increased it now you know, you can, you
• 1:01:34
  can, you can have quote UN quote, short form video,
• 1:01:36
  vertical content, whatever, up to 3 minutes, I think on, on
• 1:01:40
  like Facebook, whereas before it was like you were cut off at 60
• 1:01:44
  seconds. Now they're like, oh, you can do
• 1:01:47
  up. To 3 minutes like.
• 1:01:48
  Gee, thanks, you know. I think I appreciate.
• 1:01:53
  That. We might.
• 1:01:55
  Hear our grandparents complain about right now.
• 1:01:59
  They had to hear their. Grandparents complain about
• 1:02:02
  while they were growing up and their grandparents had to hear
• 1:02:04
  their grandparents complain about the same, not the exact
• 1:02:08
  same things, but the same things happening in the world things.
• 1:02:13
  Are changing. Too fast.
• 1:02:14
  Moving too fast. This is a silly thing.
• 1:02:17
  This thing is frivolous that you were up to do, were too fancy if
• 1:02:24
  you had running water or electricity, who needs that?
• 1:02:32
  Yeah, perspective. It's just this continual
• 1:02:35
  progression that some people let it get to them, some don't.
• 1:02:42
  What about you though 'cause? You've like, I've had
• 1:02:45
  conversations with you from time to time where it's like the
• 1:02:50
  opposite. You know, you're, you're out of
• 1:02:53
  touch in some ways with things because you're not integrated
• 1:02:57
  into that, you know? Social media.
• 1:03:02
  Internet thing like obviously you have those amenities, but
• 1:03:05
  it's not really, it's not really woven too deeply into your into
• 1:03:09
  your lifestyle it seems. Yeah, I have to catch myself a
• 1:03:15
  lot of times. And then there are times that I
• 1:03:18
  don't, but I'm fortunate enough to have friends that help me,
• 1:03:26
  sort of like you would catch your grandpa and be like, that's
• 1:03:30
  not socially acceptable or. You can't say that out loud,
• 1:03:36
  grandpa. It's just.
• 1:03:42
  Living in a different place and in such.
• 1:03:45
  An isolated place that. You're.
• 1:03:51
  You're not. In the same social spectrum, I
• 1:03:55
  guess I'm not as conditioned to the things happening in town or
• 1:04:04
  in the cities, or just the general shift of how and what
• 1:04:09
  life is now for the majority of people.
• 1:04:15
  So yeah, I'm. Glad to have friends that helped
• 1:04:19
  me with that and catch me on that.
• 1:04:23
  Where do you think the? Line.
• 1:04:27
  Is drawn. With because I think, you know,
• 1:04:30
  with as much as as is going on in the world today, the the
• 1:04:34
  social climate, the political climate, like so many things are
• 1:04:36
  going on in the world that divides people.
• 1:04:40
  Where do you think the line stands or or is drawn with being
• 1:04:50
  informed and in and or not informed?
• 1:04:54
  You know, do you think that there's a line to be crossed or
• 1:04:57
  that can be crossed with? Being not informed.
• 1:05:01
  Is a good thing. And I maybe, maybe not not.
• 1:05:06
  Informed. But like, you know, there,
• 1:05:07
  there's so much stuff that's out here that people can get lost in
• 1:05:09
  or, or can get absorbed in that they're like, have you seen
• 1:05:14
  this? Have you heard of that?
• 1:05:16
  And I'm like, no, I haven't. Why should I be concerned?
• 1:05:19
  You know, like, what does that have to do with me and my
• 1:05:21
  people, you know, or me, my circle or whatever?
• 1:05:23
  Like why, why do I worry about this thing that, oh, well, you
• 1:05:26
  should be and I really should I be, you know, like, do you ever
• 1:05:29
  think about that and the line between being informed and not
• 1:05:32
  informed and, and how that can the balance between all that?
• 1:05:36
  I think that's. Really a personal decision.
• 1:05:43
  Some people do. Want to know everything that's
• 1:05:46
  happening and some people are on that line of ignorance is bliss.
• 1:05:52
  If I don't know it. I'm not worried about it.
• 1:05:54
  If I'm not worried about it, I'm better off.
• 1:05:58
  So it's it's a really personal thing.
• 1:06:00
  How much do you care about your neighbor, your community, your
• 1:06:06
  friends? And then also.
• 1:06:10
  Realizing how much those things impact you or if they impact you
• 1:06:15
  at all. Some people they don't for.
• 1:06:18
  Hundreds and hundreds of. Years we've romanticized, or
• 1:06:22
  some people have romanticized the idea of the hermit to just
• 1:06:28
  get. Out be, out live.
• 1:06:30
  On your own. So again, it's really personal.
• 1:06:37
  Do you want that connection? With people, do you want that
• 1:06:41
  sense of community? And then if you do.
• 1:06:45
  You have to make. Sure that you're doing your part
• 1:06:47
  and part of doing your part is being informed about the issues
• 1:06:51
  that the community is facing. If you're not educated and
• 1:06:56
  you're not in that circle, you're out of touch.
• 1:06:58
  And that's outside of my work to pay the electric bill and.
• 1:07:06
  Put food on the table. The only reason that I really
• 1:07:09
  have social media or. Outlets for.
• 1:07:14
  News and information I do care about my neighbors and my
• 1:07:19
  community and extended community and.
• 1:07:24
  Really. Humanity overall, I don't think
• 1:07:31
  that any person on earth should be suffering.
• 1:07:36
  I think there are a ton of major issues that have.
• 1:07:41
  Plagued. The human species, for a long
• 1:07:45
  time that shouldn't be. I mean, we've come so far with
• 1:07:49
  so many things that there should not be any person on earth right
• 1:07:54
  now that goes hungry. We have the means and the
• 1:07:58
  capability to make sure that every person on Earth has a roof
• 1:08:05
  over their head. We should not have homelessness.
• 1:08:07
  And there are countries that have really embraced that idea
• 1:08:13
  and understanding of Finland. Guess what?
• 1:08:17
  Their homeless. Population is Finland.
• 1:08:20
  Yeah. I mean.
• 1:08:23
  Yeah, I would say I, I can't imagine with whatever their.
• 1:08:26
  Whatever their population. Is, but yeah, I, I that's that's
• 1:08:29
  good. There's not a.
• 1:08:32
  Single homeless person in the entire country, because they
• 1:08:36
  tackled it, they said this is something that we can solve so
• 1:08:40
  it can be done. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:44
  I mean it can be done. You look at, you look at an
• 1:08:46
  example like that, you know, I'm sure people might say, Oh, well,
• 1:08:49
  you know, they're, they're they're.
• 1:08:51
  They're a small. Country, you know, it's, it's
• 1:08:54
  easier to, to figure that out when you're talking, you know,
• 1:08:57
  about population of I don't know what the, what population of
• 1:09:00
  Finland is, but we'll just say, you know, 150,000 people.
• 1:09:03
  It's easier to figure that out when you know, you know, 3
• 1:09:07
  billion or 3 million people in a country, you know, different
• 1:09:10
  things. But hey, there's a model.
• 1:09:12
  I feel like you know if one. Fraction of the population of
• 1:09:16
  Helsinki. Yeah, right.
• 1:09:22
  But yeah, it's a. It's a really good question.
• 1:09:24
  Where is that line? Because there's that.
• 1:09:28
  Old, old. Sentiment.
• 1:09:30
  Mind your own business. If it doesn't involve you, then
• 1:09:35
  don't involve yourself. You know, don't put yourself
• 1:09:38
  where you're not asked to be. So it's a really, really
• 1:09:42
  personal thing. Yeah.
• 1:09:44
  And I. Agree with that because you know
• 1:09:45
  you also have. You you also have.
• 1:09:49
  The, the, the nature of, of certain people to be activists
• 1:09:53
  for movements and things, you know, and they make it their
• 1:09:55
  business to get involved and, and to be informed and, and
• 1:10:00
  there's a need for that too. You know what I mean?
• 1:10:03
  That not everybody's going to be that person, but there
• 1:10:07
  definitely is a need for that feel like.
• 1:10:10
  People down the road. Like I don't care about your
• 1:10:12
  argument over whose dog went on the whose property, but if a
• 1:10:19
  logging company comes in. I'm going to involve myself.
• 1:10:25
  Right. Yeah, again, it's very.
• 1:10:27
  Personal It comes down to what you care about, what you value,
• 1:10:31
  what you see as important. I think value is a good word.
• 1:10:34
  What you value. Do you value community?
• 1:10:37
  Do you value the environment? Do you value social justice as
• 1:10:43
  part of valuing other human beings?
• 1:10:47
  Because it's still an ugly, ugly, nasty, very, very real
• 1:10:54
  thing that's happening even today.
• 1:10:56
  We think social justice, you think back to the civil rights
• 1:11:01
  movement and like days gone by, but it is far, far, far from
• 1:11:07
  being a thing of the past. Right.
• 1:11:12
  Oh yeah, I mean, it's. It's my ultimate answer.
• 1:11:15
  Would have to be. It's, it's very personal where
• 1:11:18
  that line falls. Yeah.
• 1:11:20
  Yeah. You can't just give one answer
• 1:11:22
  and have it be applicable to everyone situation or everyone
• 1:11:25
  person or even everyone demographic.
• 1:11:28
  Yeah, it's. Subjective.
• 1:11:30
  It's situational, yeah. It's.
• 1:11:32
  Personal, yeah. And I think, you know, I think.
• 1:11:37
  With some of the work that folks like you do with your crafting,
• 1:11:42
  there's, there's a degree of involvement that whether you
• 1:11:50
  intend to or not, you know, you, you're, you're.
• 1:11:55
  You're providing. Yes, you're providing a service,
• 1:11:58
  but part of your service is to create tools.
• 1:12:04
  That people can. Use to navigate the landscape
• 1:12:09
  of. These things that we're talking.
• 1:12:12
  About the rattles, the drums, the various, you know, works of
• 1:12:17
  spirit and, and, and stuff that that people are looking for
• 1:12:21
  nowadays. And I was wondering if if you've
• 1:12:23
  seen with with everything that we're talking about, you know,
• 1:12:26
  the way that the political social climates and everything
• 1:12:29
  have have. Elevated and and.
• 1:12:33
  Escalated and it's, you know, there's it's extreme now it's
• 1:12:36
  it's it's it's radical to to to to even put another word to it,
• 1:12:39
  I think. And in a lot of ways.
• 1:12:42
  Do you think that? Do you?
• 1:12:47
  Think that there's. A lesser, greater, or equal.
• 1:12:52
  Push to. Connect with our spirituality
• 1:12:56
  Now, then before let's say five years ago when you were crafting
• 1:13:01
  and then getting into the crafting, you know, do you have
• 1:13:03
  you seen that that need to connect with spirit?
• 1:13:08
  Grow. Maintain lessen.
• 1:13:15
  Can you? Can you quantify that?
• 1:13:16
  Have you seen that? Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:13:21
  More increasing, steadily increasing.
• 1:13:26
  More and more people are coming away from organized religion to
• 1:13:32
  spirituality. And I think it's.
• 1:13:37
  It's a generational thing. It's exposure to resources with
• 1:13:43
  the Internet, with peers talking, having conversations
• 1:13:49
  that maybe 20-30 years ago would have been considered social faux
• 1:13:54
  pas. You don't talk about those
• 1:13:55
  things with people. You don't talk about religion,
• 1:13:58
  you don't talk about politics. But now we're having those
• 1:14:01
  conversations. The people have kind of like
• 1:14:03
  shed off that. I was told not to.
• 1:14:08
  Do this, but now they're asking why?
• 1:14:11
  Why was I told not to talk about it?
• 1:14:13
  Why was I told not to ask about it?
• 1:14:16
  And so we're. Having these.
• 1:14:17
  Conversations and. A.
• 1:14:21
  A veil. Is being lifted, I think, and
• 1:14:26
  people are seeing through some of the.
• 1:14:31
  I don't want to say tactics. But previous allure of organized
• 1:14:36
  religion, feeling a part of something, being a member of
• 1:14:40
  something. And then there's that structure,
• 1:14:43
  too. People love structure.
• 1:14:46
  They love order. It's why so many people are
• 1:14:51
  really drawn to the military. It provides that structure, that
• 1:14:56
  order, that organization. You know what to do, when to do
• 1:14:59
  it, how to do it. There's routine, just like with
• 1:15:04
  Christianity, there's routine. There's Wednesday service,
• 1:15:06
  there's someday service, there's Sunday evening service.
• 1:15:09
  You have your holidays or observances.
• 1:15:15
  As. People as beings, a lot of.
• 1:15:19
  People are really. Drawn to that, but at the same
• 1:15:22
  time, a lot of people are starting to ask themselves why?
• 1:15:25
  What am I getting out of it? Is it helping me at all?
• 1:15:29
  Is it helping my growth? And then I think COVID.
• 1:15:35
  Helped a whole lot in the last five years for people to return
• 1:15:39
  to nature and spirituality. There for a long time.
• 1:15:46
  There really wasn't a whole lot that you could get out to do
• 1:15:49
  other than. Go to nature there was.
• 1:15:52
  Social distancing, you couldn't be within 6 feet of another
• 1:15:55
  person. So people were revisiting state
• 1:15:59
  parks, the national parks, their community parks, being outdoors
• 1:16:05
  and realizing how good that feels to breathe some real air,
• 1:16:11
  not some stuffed up apartment air or recirculated recycled
• 1:16:16
  air, but to get out there and feel the grass and be with the
• 1:16:22
  trees and hear the birds and see squirrels and things that they
• 1:16:26
  weren't really ever thinking about because you were plugged
• 1:16:30
  in either. To a vice.
• 1:16:32
  Or other people. So yeah, there was that.
• 1:16:37
  That whole big shift with COVID but then organized religion is
• 1:16:41
  really pushing a lot of people away, especially the more they
• 1:16:44
  become political. They're.
• 1:16:48
  Being very. Openly political and I think
• 1:16:51
  that's a big turn off for people.
• 1:16:55
  It's now impacting their connection with divine.
• 1:17:02
  Our political turmoil is now. Causing problems.
• 1:17:08
  With how we feel in our connections to whoever or
• 1:17:12
  whatever we see as God, we're being told on top of how we're
• 1:17:18
  already being told how to think, what to think, who to like, who
• 1:17:21
  not to like, what to do, which way to lean, how to vote.
• 1:17:27
  And so people are like, no, that's just.
• 1:17:33
  Not for me. Yeah.
• 1:17:35
  I enjoyed some. Aspects of this.
• 1:17:39
  Part of my life. But it's gotten to be too much,
• 1:17:43
  so I'm going to back away from it.
• 1:17:46
  And so like I said, there are people by the thousands every
• 1:17:49
  year coming away from the church, coming away from
• 1:17:52
  organized religion. And I'm not picking on any
• 1:17:55
  organized religion, you know, although I mentioned the church
• 1:17:58
  and used a few other examples. I've tried to be more careful.
• 1:18:05
  With that here lately it's it's that's one of those social cues
• 1:18:10
  that some of my friends will catch me on that you might want
• 1:18:13
  to word that differently. I'm personally very strong
• 1:18:22
  headed when it comes. To.
• 1:18:24
  Organized religion and its impact on the world.
• 1:18:29
  Humanity. Society.
• 1:18:32
  Culture. Community.
• 1:18:34
  Oh yeah. Please let us.
• 1:18:37
  Look at the religious. Wars, all of the atrocities that
• 1:18:42
  have been committed in the name of religion.
• 1:18:44
  And that's not any specific religion, but all organized
• 1:18:48
  religion. And again, we're getting access
• 1:18:53
  to the truth and education is more readily available.
• 1:18:59
  You've got the Internet with all of these resources.
• 1:19:04
  You don't have to try to catch something on The History Channel
• 1:19:07
  anymore like it was 20 years ago, or check out a library
• 1:19:11
  book. You can open up your computer
• 1:19:14
  and you can find actual truth about.
• 1:19:18
  Some of these. Events, even though they've been
• 1:19:19
  painted in a much different light over the years.
• 1:19:24
  Yeah, the. Information is, is way more
• 1:19:27
  accessible now than ever. It has than it ever has been.
• 1:19:30
  I mean, we've, we've been in the information age now for a good
• 1:19:34
  bit, you know, for, for a good, for a good long while.
• 1:19:38
  And isn't that an? Interesting correlation.
• 1:19:41
  The more people have access to information, the more they're
• 1:19:46
  coming away from organized religion and finding
• 1:19:48
  spirituality. They're making that connection
• 1:19:51
  for themselves, with themselves. Rather than going.
• 1:19:56
  To a middle person to do it, I don't have to go to a pastor, I
• 1:20:01
  don't have to go to a priest, I don't have to go to a church to
• 1:20:04
  connect with God. Even if you're a Christian
• 1:20:06
  person. Christian people are still
• 1:20:10
  maintaining their faith and their beliefs, but they're
• 1:20:12
  coming away from the organization of it.
• 1:20:14
  They've stopped going to Sunday service, they've stopped going
• 1:20:18
  to Mass, They've stopped going to confession.
• 1:20:21
  Because they're learning that. It's in each and every one of us
• 1:20:26
  to be able to connect. I was talking with.
• 1:20:30
  Somebody. Yes.
• 1:20:34
  Yesterday and this guy who I am talking about, he is and we've
• 1:20:42
  been friends for, I don't know quite a quite a few years now
• 1:20:47
  more than just a few really, but he is a a devout Muslim.
• 1:20:54
  He speaks Arabic. You know, he's, he's American
• 1:20:56
  from West Virginia, but he's, he's, he's about.
• 1:21:00
  Didn't you visit him in the hospital?
• 1:21:03
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:07
  And oddly enough, like him and I also met through through social
• 1:21:10
  media, he was, he was a content creator doing like hot pepper
• 1:21:14
  reviews and stuff. And I was into hot Peppers and
• 1:21:18
  through that community, through the chili head community, like I
• 1:21:21
  found him and turned out, Oh, wow, you live in the same city
• 1:21:23
  that I do, you know, so we, we connected and, and became
• 1:21:28
  friends through through that, through those means.
• 1:21:32
  But he and I have had very in depth conversations about
• 1:21:35
  spirituality and faith and, and stuff.
• 1:21:39
  And neither one of us are trying to push each other's beliefs on,
• 1:21:43
  on things or, you know, onto one another.
• 1:21:47
  But, but you know, one of the things like we were, we were
• 1:21:51
  talking yesterday about his, he has this real, he has a lot of
• 1:22:02
  medical issues and, and has for a very long time.
• 1:22:06
  But we, we, we start talking about mental health, you know,
• 1:22:08
  and antidepressants and, and all of these things.
• 1:22:12
  And he's like, yeah, I've been on every SSRI available.
• 1:22:15
  They don't do nothing for me, you know.
• 1:22:20
  And I said, you know, we we get to.
• 1:22:22
  Talking about just what? What kind of medicine?
• 1:22:26
  What medicine is you know? And medicine comes in many.
• 1:22:31
  Forms medicine is not the same for everybody.
• 1:22:33
  It inspired me to write something after our conversation
• 1:22:37
  talking about, you know, my medicine is not your medicine.
• 1:22:40
  What works for me may not work for you.
• 1:22:42
  And it kind of goes into what we're talking about now with,
• 1:22:44
  you know, religion or spirituality.
• 1:22:46
  But the spirituality is universal.
• 1:22:48
  You don't have to. Label it any one.
• 1:22:51
  Particular thing it's, it's if you're a Christian, you can be
• 1:22:56
  spiritual, if you're Muslim, you can be spiritual, if you're
• 1:22:58
  heathen, if you're Pagan, if you're non denominational
• 1:23:00
  Buddhist, whatever Taoist Toltec, you know, like Druid it
• 1:23:04
  you could put a label to anything.
• 1:23:07
  A lot of that just involves what your, how you view the world,
• 1:23:12
  you know, how your world view is informed.
• 1:23:13
  But spirituality is, is universal.
• 1:23:16
  And we got to talking about this, this idea of, of healing
• 1:23:20
  and, and what healing is. And it's like, you know,
• 1:23:24
  there's, there's always this, this look of at least in the
• 1:23:28
  Western world of medicine, it's, you know, what can I take, what
• 1:23:33
  can I absorb, what can I consume to fix this part of me?
• 1:23:40
  I got this problem this. Thing or the other what what
• 1:23:42
  pill can I take What what's you know what, what can I do?
• 1:23:45
  And I go the healing. 'S within.
• 1:23:48
  You know, finding, finding that and discovering that, you know,
• 1:23:53
  it takes work, but it it, it's, you know.
• 1:23:56
  Don't rely so much on. The on the tool, you know this
• 1:24:01
  is just this, it's part of it, but but really figure out in the
• 1:24:05
  healings within us. It always has been and.
• 1:24:09
  And that. Awakening to that spirituality
• 1:24:11
  that they were talking about and and breaking away from those
• 1:24:13
  chains of organized religion that that restrict that healing
• 1:24:18
  from taking place because it's it's it's confined around a
• 1:24:21
  dogma of sorts and you kind. Of get a a.
• 1:24:26
  One-size-fits-all approach to it.
• 1:24:30
  And that's the big problem with physical health too.
• 1:24:33
  Well, not just physical health, but mental health is too many
• 1:24:36
  people have. A prescription writer.
• 1:24:39
  Instead of a doctor. Right, it's that.
• 1:24:45
  Mass manufactured Pharmaceutical industry, it's kind of taken
• 1:24:51
  hold. So we're not.
• 1:24:55
  Understanding. How important.
• 1:24:59
  And how interconnected? All things are in that holistic
• 1:25:02
  health approach that getting out and getting some sunlight and
• 1:25:06
  some fresh air is going. To do you some damn.
• 1:25:09
  Good. Not just your body in the
• 1:25:12
  physical sense, your lungs, your respiratory system, your
• 1:25:16
  circulatory system, but your mental health as well.
• 1:25:19
  And all these things are connected.
• 1:25:21
  And we're missing so much of that goodness.
• 1:25:26
  That should be a regimen that we get from nature.
• 1:25:30
  So now we do have all of these health problems.
• 1:25:34
  And I I think. Another big, big part of it is
• 1:25:37
  the food industry. We're eating garbage.
• 1:25:42
  We're drinking garbage. We're giving ourselves cancer,
• 1:25:47
  literally. Yeah, we're poisoning.
• 1:25:50
  Ourselves, you know, or, or we're being poisoned.
• 1:25:54
  Also that someone. Else can get rich off of it,
• 1:25:58
  yeah, but it's it goes back to that convenience.
• 1:26:00
  It's easy. It's easier to do than to grow a
• 1:26:04
  garden or to harvest things yourselves.
• 1:26:09
  It's it's that. Trade off, it's that pay off.
• 1:26:12
  And like you mentioned, is it worth it for convenience?
• 1:26:16
  Yeah. And we've decided.
• 1:26:19
  As a society, that it's absolutely worth it to kill
• 1:26:24
  ourselves and make ourselves sick and make our children sick
• 1:26:29
  so that we can have it a little easier, a little quicker.
• 1:26:32
  Ain't that sound more? Available.
• 1:26:36
  Yeah, I mean, you can't gain say.
• 1:26:40
  That it's, you know, it, it definitely causes you to stop,
• 1:26:48
  put things into perspective and go, you know, wow, what's
• 1:26:51
  really, what are, what are we doing here?
• 1:26:56
  And I, you know, I've, I've talked before, like, you know,
• 1:26:58
  so much of what this podcast has become has been an outlet to
• 1:27:02
  talk about issues, you know, and it's a heathen podcast.
• 1:27:06
  So there's a lot of heathen worldview added to it.
• 1:27:11
  But it also just gets random. And that's, that's the beauty of
• 1:27:13
  it is we, we go off on these things and we go and this is
• 1:27:16
  this is I think. I was talking last.
• 1:27:20
  Week about earth worship or earth veneration you know the
• 1:27:26
  the and and how that was observed or done by by Germanic
• 1:27:29
  people specifically and yeah sure we can go and we can look
• 1:27:32
  at sources that that definitely support.
• 1:27:37
  The the the. The share or the, the collective
• 1:27:41
  approach that dramatic tribes had of, of the importance of the
• 1:27:43
  earth. But it was, it was a, was it
• 1:27:45
  worshipping the earth or was it, or was it venerating and it and,
• 1:27:49
  and worshipping the, the essence of nature combined with
• 1:27:53
  everything you know, and, and, and how much we've as as modern
• 1:28:01
  heathens, modern people. But I, you know, and I was using
• 1:28:04
  the, the example of modern heathens.
• 1:28:05
  I'm like, you guys, you know, you want to talk about how the
• 1:28:07
  importance of earth. And then when, when you, you,
• 1:28:10
  you have an event or, or a, or a public meet up or something like
• 1:28:14
  that and it's a little bit too hot or too humid or it's raining
• 1:28:17
  or it's chilly, you go, no, I'm not going to go.
• 1:28:21
  But yet this is. The earth that you claim to hold
• 1:28:24
  such a sacred view of and and and and have such an important
• 1:28:29
  role placed upon. What are you doing to to to to
• 1:28:35
  connect with her? What are you doing to be a part
• 1:28:38
  of her? And, and because you are, we are
• 1:28:42
  nature. We are, you know, everything
• 1:28:44
  that makes up nature, the universe.
• 1:28:47
  Enough. This.
• 1:28:47
  This Is Us. I mean science backs.
• 1:28:51
  It up and then that's, you know. You.
• 1:28:54
  You're you're. Devoid you're, you're devoid of
• 1:28:56
  that you're, you're keeping yourself away from it.
• 1:28:59
  You're you're not this, you're not connecting with her on a
• 1:29:02
  regular basis. I think.
• 1:29:06
  When it comes to Earth worship. Or veneration.
• 1:29:08
  So many of those ancient cultures or communities, it
• 1:29:12
  wasn't just in the idea that nature is good for us, but the
• 1:29:17
  literal fact that nature was nurturing them.
• 1:29:21
  It's they relied on it. It was your.
• 1:29:25
  Food. Source.
• 1:29:26
  It was your your drinking water. It was irrigation, it was
• 1:29:30
  travel, it was everything your home.
• 1:29:34
  Your food. Our strive for convenience come
• 1:29:37
  so far away from that. So now you see, like you
• 1:29:40
  mentioned, you'll have these events outdoors and even just in
• 1:29:44
  general. Everything is haloed and hail
• 1:29:48
  Thor, hail this one, zoos or whatever.
• 1:29:51
  But we're forgetting the importance of those ideas or
• 1:29:58
  deities assigned to fertility and fertility of the land.
• 1:30:05
  We're forgetting about things like planting and harvesting.
• 1:30:09
  It's just feast. We're not thinking about.
• 1:30:14
  What it took to have a good growing season, or how important
• 1:30:19
  that was to people and why there were so many deities and so many
• 1:30:26
  forms of offering and sacrifice that were carried out by these
• 1:30:30
  ancient cultures and communities.
• 1:30:34
  They depended on it. To get through the winter, to
• 1:30:37
  get through the lean times, even just to eat day-to-day.
• 1:30:42
  So you've got all these. Ones I'm going to try.
• 1:30:45
  To jog my memory here a little bit for some of these Norse
• 1:30:49
  references, I know a lot of the the listeners or viewers here
• 1:30:53
  are going to align in that way. The forest.
• 1:31:01
  Oh yeah. The.
• 1:31:03
  Bounty of the forest, the hunt deer, the wild Thor, the
• 1:31:08
  rabbits, The forest was your food source.
• 1:31:12
  All of the foraging, the wild mushrooms, all the medicinal
• 1:31:15
  plants that grew. He reigned over the forest, but
• 1:31:21
  you don't see so much veneration there anymore.
• 1:31:25
  And I like I said, everything's Odin, Thor or get into the other
• 1:31:31
  side with Loki and all that. Yeah.
• 1:31:35
  Even tear. You know, war gods these these
• 1:31:38
  Acer drive of gods or the OR the because they're easy.
• 1:31:42
  Now our travel is easy. Now we're not thinking about
• 1:31:45
  having to cross the damn ocean on a ship and need good weather,
• 1:31:49
  need a good wind. So we're not honoring or
• 1:31:52
  venerating those ideas or those spirits or those deities the
• 1:31:57
  same anymore. We've.
• 1:31:59
  Disconnected from. It by our strive for convenience
• 1:32:04
  and again it goes back to at what cost.
• 1:32:07
  So are you are you actually appreciating any of these things
• 1:32:13
  through that disconnect? Were you kind of half assing it
• 1:32:19
  or are they just not relevant anymore?
• 1:32:22
  We don't need a favorable wind to sail.
• 1:32:26
  We don't need a good rain for the crops.
• 1:32:28
  We can manufacture rain. We can grow strawberries in a
• 1:32:32
  laboratory if we need to. We've got these mega farms with
• 1:32:37
  cows and pigs and chickens and more food than we could ever eat
• 1:32:42
  in a lifetime, and we're throwing almost half of it away
• 1:32:45
  while people are starving. Yeah, you know.
• 1:32:52
  Well, then you get into. The, you know, the actual like,
• 1:32:55
  OK, it's convenient, you know, greenhouse man, you know,
• 1:32:58
  greenhouse effect that or not greenhouse effect.
• 1:33:00
  But like, you know, you say these, you know, mass produced
• 1:33:05
  vegetables and fruits and even livestock or or or animals, you
• 1:33:08
  know where they're just, they're pumped full of hormones.
• 1:33:13
  It's not good for you to consider like sure, you know,
• 1:33:15
  you get 100 lbs of berries, but it's empty.
• 1:33:18
  There's nothing that's. Nutritionally.
• 1:33:22
  Sound to these things. Why?
• 1:33:24
  Because they're not given the chance to grow naturally,
• 1:33:29
  organically in the earth that nurtures.
• 1:33:32
  It's just the other day we were going.
• 1:33:34
  Through the grocery store and Cindy mentioned wanting to get a
• 1:33:39
  basket of strawberries I. Walked over there.
• 1:33:43
  And looked at them and it was like, what?
• 1:33:46
  In the. World is this that like the size
• 1:33:48
  of your hand? I have never seen.
• 1:33:51
  Strawberries like this in my life.
• 1:33:53
  I'm not getting these, no. Way I'm eating that.
• 1:33:57
  Genetically modified. Fruits and and and stuff, man,
• 1:34:00
  it's, it's crazy. I mean within all the stuff.
• 1:34:04
  That we've become too good to eat.
• 1:34:09
  There are so many different plants out there.
• 1:34:13
  Fruits, vegetables even. And the meats that.
• 1:34:20
  We harvest so many of those things we've kind of, in a way,
• 1:34:24
  become too good for. Organ.
• 1:34:27
  Meats, neck, things like that. And then you get to see every.
• 1:34:34
  Once in a while. Some of these, really.
• 1:34:37
  Really interesting things that grow in abundance that we just
• 1:34:41
  don't know. Because ask anybody, name three
• 1:34:45
  vegetables, they're going to tell you like apple, orange,
• 1:34:48
  banana. But then there's all the stuff.
• 1:34:51
  There's jackfruit, there's star fruit, dragon fruit, like just
• 1:34:54
  all these different things, all these different berries that are
• 1:34:58
  edible and that our ancestors ate as a staple.
• 1:35:03
  But we've had a hard. Time mass producing those things
• 1:35:09
  in either a lab setting or a corporate type farm setting.
• 1:35:13
  So. Yeah, no, there's the entire.
• 1:35:21
  Forest is just full yeah, yeah hold back coming back to your
• 1:35:29
  your point about the earth veneration and.
• 1:35:32
  I think it's a big. Part of the the disconnect.
• 1:35:35
  Our strive for convenience. We've disconnected those
• 1:35:41
  fertility gods and goddesses and the spirits and.
• 1:35:48
  Yeah. And I want to see that come back
• 1:35:51
  and I see it. I mean, I do.
• 1:35:52
  It is, you know, it's like one of those things where I, I, I
• 1:35:55
  talk about, I talk a bit about stuff and I look OK.
• 1:35:59
  Well, five years ago, where were things, you know, where were
• 1:36:02
  people? Well, I was observing, right?
• 1:36:04
  What did I see then versus what do I see now?
• 1:36:08
  And I think like you say, you. Know you we definitely see an
• 1:36:11
  increase or a rise in people realizing the importance of of
• 1:36:17
  these things. Maybe not where we would like to
• 1:36:20
  be or where we what we would like to see in the amount that
• 1:36:24
  we would like to see it, but I think it's it's.
• 1:36:28
  Trending in the direction we would.
• 1:36:29
  Hope for and it's like this, this opposition, you know, we,
• 1:36:35
  we you know, so much craziness, so much I'll so much baleful
• 1:36:40
  things happening. It's like, well, where's the
• 1:36:41
  balance now? You know, we're we're all, you
• 1:36:45
  know, overpopulation and and corporate greed and things are
• 1:36:51
  bounding and it's OK. So, so where's the where's the
• 1:36:54
  balance to it all? You know, where are the people
• 1:36:56
  that are? Doing the work to.
• 1:37:00
  To preserve. What's going to keep us?
• 1:37:05
  Alive versus what you know what I mean?
• 1:37:07
  And thrive versus what we're just going to do to get by for
• 1:37:11
  the convenience sake of it all I want.
• 1:37:14
  People to understand. Something also those that are
• 1:37:16
  watching or listening this, this shift or this movement coming to
• 1:37:22
  spirituality isn't without its faults.
• 1:37:29
  It's just as. Dangerous as any organized
• 1:37:33
  religion can be, because a lot of these people are coming out
• 1:37:37
  of organized religion to that spirituality that then.
• 1:37:44
  That original? Sickness, greed comes in greed
• 1:37:48
  for popularity, greed for money, wealth, numbers, followers.
• 1:37:57
  So if you're coming out of organized religion to
• 1:38:00
  spirituality and something looks welcoming, something, it's very
• 1:38:06
  similar to what I'm leaving. So it, it might feel warm and
• 1:38:11
  fit well. But be careful because dogma
• 1:38:16
  exists in these spiritual circles just as much so as any
• 1:38:22
  church or mosque or temple. It's out there, yeah.
• 1:38:31
  And. People will, people will exploit
• 1:38:33
  almost anything if they can, you know, they'll, they'll, they'll
• 1:38:37
  find a way to, I mean you. Got those those?
• 1:38:41
  What was that? What was that back in the 90s,
• 1:38:44
  Madam, She was like an online she's a fortune teller.
• 1:38:48
  You call her on the phone. What was her name?
• 1:38:51
  The one that. Comes to mind from is Miss Cleo.
• 1:38:54
  Miss Cleo? Yeah.
• 1:38:55
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those types of ones, you know
• 1:38:57
  what I mean? Like those, those charlatans,
• 1:38:58
  those, those people out there that are just in it to, to make
• 1:39:01
  a buck under the guise of, you know, spirituality, healing this
• 1:39:07
  now. Everybody, everybody is a
• 1:39:10
  shaman. Everybody's a guru.
• 1:39:12
  Everybody is a Yogi that wants your following, that wants your
• 1:39:17
  dollar too. Yeah.
• 1:39:20
  I mean, I believe that. That healers and, and, and stuff
• 1:39:24
  have a place in, in, in modern society and that because of
• 1:39:29
  modern society's construct of, you know, you got to have money
• 1:39:34
  to keep the lights on and to pay your bills and this and that.
• 1:39:36
  There's, there is it, there is an appropriate level of equal
• 1:39:41
  exchange of services for, for coin, you know what I mean?
• 1:39:44
  So I'm not saying that every healer out here who's charging
• 1:39:47
  for their services is bullshit. Yeah, not saying that, I'm
• 1:39:52
  saying that. Be careful.
• 1:39:56
  Because there's a lot of that out there, you know?
• 1:39:58
  Yeah. Compensation, absolutely.
• 1:40:01
  If you're providing a good or service, you should be
• 1:40:05
  compensated. And it's fair.
• 1:40:06
  I've always been a big fan of the barter system, but we've
• 1:40:09
  come to a place that we don't really use that.
• 1:40:12
  Like I can't go down to Blue Ridge Energy and pay my electric
• 1:40:16
  bill with a drone. So I make the.
• 1:40:19
  Drum and I sell the drum and then I take that down to Blue
• 1:40:23
  Ridge Energy to to keep this light on here.
• 1:40:26
  See what you need. Man is you need a bunch of drums
• 1:40:29
  that will continuously produce a rhythm and that rhythm, those
• 1:40:35
  Hertz will transfer as energy and that your your house is run
• 1:40:38
  by drum rhythm. Or just go back to.
• 1:40:44
  Candles, beeswax and then kerosene, you know.
• 1:40:49
  Oil lamps and this and that. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:40:51
  Living so. Isolated, if I didn't have
• 1:40:56
  electricity it would be difficult.
• 1:41:00
  Most of my sales are online and all over the world.
• 1:41:04
  So we've definitely got to have some electricity here to power
• 1:41:09
  that Internet and the satellite dish on top of the house that
• 1:41:14
  gives us Internet. That might sound funny to some
• 1:41:17
  people. I know.
• 1:41:19
  Most have like broadband, I think it's called, or, Oh yeah,
• 1:41:25
  Internet, an actual line or something.
• 1:41:28
  But we use a satellite to get Internet here and it does pretty
• 1:41:33
  good. I'm just thinking now like we,
• 1:41:40
  we've, we've, we've talked about a lot.
• 1:41:42
  You've asked me a lot of questions.
• 1:41:43
  I've asked you some questions. We've had a lot of great
• 1:41:45
  discourse, you know, conversation back and forth.
• 1:41:50
  But I do want to be respectful of your time and think about
• 1:41:55
  closing out this episode, this, you know, fifth year reminder
• 1:41:59
  anniversary of, of what kind of launched our, our kinship.
• 1:42:03
  And I think of, you know, this, this relationship as being, you
• 1:42:08
  know, we, we talk about fire on the mountain, we talk about
• 1:42:11
  spirituality, we talk about these things and, and they
• 1:42:13
  remind me of. Light and a flame.
• 1:42:17
  You know, and, and we have you and I, you know, we've, we've
• 1:42:21
  kindled this, this flame, this brotherly flame.
• 1:42:28
  And sometimes, you know, my flame is a bit dimmed and you
• 1:42:34
  help reinvigorate that flame, you know, and maybe sometimes
• 1:42:38
  yours is a bit damn. And I can help whatever breathe
• 1:42:42
  new life or, or, or waken that flame up for you.
• 1:42:44
  So that way you don't, you're not sitting in the dark.
• 1:42:49
  I guess I would just I. Would ask, you know.
• 1:42:56
  What's what's it? Going to be in the next 5 years,
• 1:42:59
  where are we going to be? And when we go, when we look
• 1:43:01
  back and we go out, 10 years has come since that first interview,
• 1:43:04
  you know, in five since since the since this one.
• 1:43:11
  What do? You think it's going to be?
• 1:43:12
  In five years. Well, with my.
• 1:43:18
  Understanding of the world and the time that I've spent on it,
• 1:43:23
  I. Think in another.
• 1:43:24
  Five years. We'll have this.
• 1:43:28
  Conversation, but we'll still be talking about people coming away
• 1:43:32
  from organized religion. We'll still be talking about.
• 1:43:37
  Our food sources. Our conveniences just the same
• 1:43:41
  as we mentioned, like our grandparents complain about
• 1:43:44
  things now, their grandparents complained about things then and
• 1:43:47
  there's before them and them. So I guess.
• 1:43:54
  The bones of it is just how we continue to navigate it.
• 1:43:58
  All change is ever present and ongoing.
• 1:44:05
  So the conversation pieces come in how we navigate that.
• 1:44:09
  And I think that's what made this opportunity so special is
• 1:44:15
  that you and I that have navigated these last five years
• 1:44:19
  changes in our ways, but some of those things don't really get to
• 1:44:24
  be talked about. In your work or?
• 1:44:30
  In my work. So this was a great way to come
• 1:44:32
  together, have conversation and share some of those things with
• 1:44:36
  your listeners and your viewers and kind of drives that home a
• 1:44:43
  little bit for random heathen ramblings.
• 1:44:47
  It's a couple of heathens coming on here and they said we've
• 1:44:50
  talked about our food sources, travel, electricity, medicine,
• 1:44:57
  fire on the mountain, community, the Internet, social media is.
• 1:45:03
  Yeah. Random heathen ramblings. 5
• 1:45:06
  years of us Yeah rambling on and still finding value.
• 1:45:13
  Like say, you know, like it's, it's great.
• 1:45:15
  I, I love I and guys that you know, people that listen or
• 1:45:19
  watch this, you know, you, you do you get a bit of a, a, a
• 1:45:23
  sneak peek or behind the scenes. View of of.
• 1:45:31
  How you know, he and I interact. This is very much like what we
• 1:45:36
  do in person. You know, we, we don't, this
• 1:45:38
  isn't not, this isn't a show. We're not scripted here in, in
• 1:45:42
  terms of we're not putting on a performance for you.
• 1:45:45
  We're talking about things that in this format that we've talked
• 1:45:49
  about in person, you know, yeah, we could do some.
• 1:45:53
  Some deep shit and some conversations, but I do want to
• 1:45:58
  say that I have been a little. Self governed in.
• 1:46:03
  This just to be respectful to your audience, listeners and
• 1:46:08
  viewers. Not in this.
• 1:46:11
  Setting. As Jesse was saying, our these
• 1:46:13
  are normal conversations, but. The language might be a.
• 1:46:18
  Little bit, yeah, Yeah. More.
• 1:46:21
  Laughs. I'm a bit more loose when we're
• 1:46:24
  just one-on-one, yeah. A few less.
• 1:46:27
  F bombs are here or there, you know that type of thing.
• 1:46:31
  Yeah, there's definitely, you know, there's definitely that
• 1:46:33
  candidness that we but but you get you get a glimpse of it, you
• 1:46:36
  get a you get a hint of it. And this has been a great show
• 1:46:39
  of that without overhearing to be respectful of.
• 1:46:43
  Jesse the platform and also you guys watching or listening
• 1:46:49
  wherever you are. Yeah, if you want the
• 1:46:53
  unfiltered. Version of anything that I have
• 1:46:57
  to talk on. As far as any of these topics,
• 1:47:00
  please reach out, I'm always glad to share.
• 1:47:05
  Yeah. And that's that's another.
• 1:47:06
  Thing too, brother, I appreciate your accessibility to, to
• 1:47:11
  people. I know you, you, you come very
• 1:47:13
  highly respected When I shared that, that this was going to be
• 1:47:18
  our podcast for the week on I think Facebook or wherever it
• 1:47:23
  was, you know, I definitely saw the admiration for you come
• 1:47:27
  through in the comments saying, hey, that's pretty cool, dude.
• 1:47:30
  I mean, yes, that's a that's a that's one way of saying it, But
• 1:47:34
  you know, you're highly respected.
• 1:47:36
  You do a lot of good work and the genuineness of that work is,
• 1:47:41
  is speaks for itself. But I, I do appreciate you
• 1:47:46
  coming on here to ask me questions, talk about things and
• 1:47:50
  just, and just kind of reminisce, you know, 2 old, 2
• 1:47:52
  old, 2 middle-aged guys, whatever here just talking about
• 1:47:55
  times and stuff has been great. So I think in the next 5 years,
• 1:48:02
  I definitely they'll be, you know, I don't know, you might
• 1:48:07
  age grace more gracefully than I do because my Gray has has
• 1:48:09
  really shown through more within the last five years than than
• 1:48:14
  anything else. So it'll definitely be a little
• 1:48:16
  bit grayer, maybe, you know, a few pounds lighter or heavier
• 1:48:20
  respectively. But still still great
• 1:48:24
  conversation. I've learned a lot from you.
• 1:48:28
  You've inspired me to embrace, you know, things that that I've
• 1:48:36
  grown beautifully through things that I've learned through your
• 1:48:41
  guidance and through your mentorship have really helped
• 1:48:45
  shape me into the man that I am and and and becoming.
• 1:48:47
  So it's it's. It's been great and.
• 1:48:52
  I appreciate you for that. So thank you and thank you.
• 1:48:55
  Right back at you, brother. Likewise, it's been a blessing
• 1:49:01
  to share in this friendship and brothership with you over the
• 1:49:06
  last five years. Absolutely.
• 1:49:10
  Let's keep it going, you know, Let's keep that brotherly flame
• 1:49:13
  going. Let's keep that.
• 1:49:14
  Let's keep that fire lit A. 100%.
• 1:49:20
  So that that wraps it up. I think we're good talk a lot
• 1:49:24
  about things. So, so, so folks that listen and
• 1:49:26
  watch this, this episode, share your thoughts when and as you
• 1:49:29
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• 1:50:15
  So brother, hang on for just a minute before I wrap things up
• 1:50:18
  here and I'll send you off on your way.
• 1:50:21
  Thank you again for being here. Thank you for your time.
• 1:50:23
  It's much appreciated. Thank you for the great
• 1:50:25
  questions too. You asked some really great ones
• 1:50:28
  and it was, it was nice to to be on the other end of things.
• 1:50:31
  I'm usually always the one asking questions, so it was nice
• 1:50:34
  to have that that type of thought put into this.
• 1:50:37
  I appreciate it. Thank you as always.
• 1:50:40
  For the opportunity. And thank you to.
• 1:50:44
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• 1:51:24
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• 1:51:31
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