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Speaker 1: He's like a like a rich Hollywood producer version of
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Speaker 1: a sovereign citizen, right, Like he's got stockholdings, he's got
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Speaker 1: a summer house. He's he has the resources to to
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Speaker 1: kind of larp as a sovereign citizen. But I don't
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Speaker 1: know if he's really got it in him to live
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Speaker 1: like the true Jordan Maxwell no license play. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm traveling, I'm not driving all of that. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if he was made for that life, but he's
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Speaker 1: kind of showing you, like the rich person's version of it.
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Speaker 2: Under the Ducks, Ye, under the ducks, Under the ducks, the.
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Speaker 3: Ducks, Ye, under the Ducks.
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Speaker 1: America Freedom to Fascism, two thousand and six. This is
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Speaker 1: written and directed and narrated by Aaron Russo. If you
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Speaker 1: don't know who this is, he was a producer of
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Speaker 1: Trading Spaces. He had worked on a whole bunch of
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Speaker 1: different projects with Bette Midler. He kind of had some
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Speaker 1: Hollywood credentials. He also had a failed candidacy as governor
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Speaker 1: for Nevada, which explained some of his political connections and
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Speaker 1: the way he's able to get some of the interviews
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Speaker 1: in this particular movie to kind of summarize this entire movie,
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Speaker 1: America Freedom of Fascism. This is about Aaron Russo originally
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Speaker 1: setting out to make a documentary about whether or not
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Speaker 1: there was a law requiring Americans to pay the federal
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Speaker 1: income tax. That was the main goal that he started
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Speaker 1: out with. And as he starts looking into this, a
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Speaker 1: lot of the familiar names start popping up. The Rockefellers
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Speaker 1: and the Morgans and Jekyll Island and all of the
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Speaker 1: different financial conspiracy theories start to pop up, and this
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Speaker 1: is the first time that he kind of runs into these,
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Speaker 1: But then he digs a little bit deeper, using his
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Speaker 1: connections in Hollywood in DC, and it turns into this
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Speaker 1: a little bit overarching storyline about America was taken over
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Speaker 1: by these bankers and is being led directly into literal fascism,
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Speaker 1: not twenty twenty five everyone's a fascist style, but like
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Speaker 1: through economic and he kind of defines it as this
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Speaker 1: new wave of corporatism. So that is the overall premise
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Speaker 1: of this. It kind of has collections of what we've
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Speaker 1: seen so far. We've seen money masters, we've seen Zeitgeist
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Speaker 1: takes a stab at the banking industry. Few of these
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Speaker 1: different ones. This one kind of recaps some of this,
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Speaker 1: but it absolutely laser focus on the sixteenth Amendment, and
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Speaker 1: it focused on exactly what the IRS does, how it works,
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Speaker 1: and where all the money goes. So if you want
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Speaker 1: to get angry at the IRS and about how taxes
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Speaker 1: are spent, this is the absolute perfect documentary to do that.
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Speaker 4: I already hated taxes and I'm midway through it and
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Speaker 4: you're like, yeah, I'm watching.
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Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm.
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Speaker 4: Already at the level ten man, I'm marching to the
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Speaker 4: IRS because I already hate the term of it. And
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Speaker 4: this really feels in a lot of the blanks of
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Speaker 4: some of the things that people have been saying for
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Speaker 4: the last you know, ten to fifteen years. I think
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Speaker 4: a lot of it came from this, Like you got
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Speaker 4: money Masters kind of put in the little seeds and
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Speaker 4: now you're seeing the roots come out and the actual
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Speaker 4: branches blossom. And Russell does a good job of using
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Speaker 4: his connections, like you said, to get some really good
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Speaker 4: interviews and put people on the spot that we would
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Speaker 4: love to see on a regular base. But you don't
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Speaker 4: usually get to see that because you know you're associated,
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Speaker 4: like you're not going to see someone like Jones or
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Speaker 4: like David Ike getting to get some of these prominent
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Speaker 4: figures because they're more looked as a conspiracy. Theorist or
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Speaker 4: Russo was actually like, Hey, I'm a filmmaker. This is
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Speaker 4: what I'm trying to do. And the way he kind
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Speaker 4: of got them, he didn't sucker them, but they were
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Speaker 4: kind of lost in the glitz and glands of Hollywood,
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Speaker 4: if you will.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there are a number of people that are saying,
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Speaker 1: I was not prepared for this, or I can't believe
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Speaker 1: you're doing this, Aaron. So you know that he pulled
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Speaker 1: and he burned some bridges by getting some of these
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Speaker 1: interviews on tape. A lot of people that went back
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Speaker 1: home that night, they're like, that guy's not invited to
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Speaker 1: Bohemian grove next to Gammon. All right, let's plot the chorus.
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Speaker 1: Here's some of the key claims that this particular documentary makes.
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Speaker 1: The first one is that banks took over the United
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Speaker 1: States in roughly nineteen thirteen, specifically that in nineteen thirteen
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Speaker 1: America was free but then gets taken over by JP Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Paul Warberg, John D. Rockefeller, and Woodrow Wilson. That first
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Speaker 1: they convinced this guy Fillander Knox to lie to Americans.
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Speaker 1: And this guy was side note, a member of this
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Speaker 1: South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club right above Jonestown, which
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Speaker 1: was the site of one of the first national disasters
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Speaker 1: handled by the Red Cross. That won't come up later,
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Speaker 1: but it is one of my favorite sort of tangent
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Speaker 1: conspiracy theories. So some other day we'll get into that one.
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Speaker 1: That Senators were bribed to pass this Federal Reserve Act
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Speaker 1: during Christmas vacation. They waited for most people to be
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Speaker 1: at home with their families and they just sneak this
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Speaker 1: thing through and get it signed into law without a
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Speaker 1: whole lot of pushback because of that. And then here's
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Speaker 1: a quote from Woodrow Wilson that says, I am a
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Speaker 1: most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country, a
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Speaker 1: great industrial nation, is now controlled by a system of credit.
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Speaker 1: We are no longer a government by free opinion, no
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Speaker 1: longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority,
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Speaker 1: but a government of the opinion and duress of a
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Speaker 1: small group of dominant men. And let me reiterate that
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Speaker 1: is President Woodrow Wilson saying this, I believe on his
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Speaker 1: deathbed or close to it. So if you don't want
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Speaker 1: to take the President's word for it that the government
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Speaker 1: was completely taken over in nineteen thirteen by this group
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Speaker 1: of bankers, I don't have any other better source to
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Speaker 1: really provide.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and a lot of those claims too, like you
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Speaker 4: could tell the fill of the movie. I mean, and
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Speaker 4: g Edward Griffin is you know, quite a bit in
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Speaker 4: the movie as well, But creature of Jack Wile is
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Speaker 4: really what someone read that book and then was like, well,
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Speaker 4: russo obviously, and then he's like, you know what I
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Speaker 4: need to make this film? And that really you could
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Speaker 4: tell that was the starting catalyst for everything he was
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Speaker 4: trying to get in this film.
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Speaker 1: The second major claim is that the income tax, which
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Speaker 1: came from the sixteenth Amendment, also from nineteen thirteen, was
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Speaker 1: never ratified and therefore it's not a real law. And
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Speaker 1: some of the specifics that there is no law forcing
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Speaker 1: Americans to provide a ten forty to the irs, this
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Speaker 1: is your income tax form, no law in the books
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Speaker 1: that actually says you have to do that that they don't.
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Speaker 1: The IRS does not even define what the word income means.
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Speaker 1: So therefore the entire premise of the income tax is
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Speaker 1: null and void because they don't even define their own terms. Again,
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Speaker 1: these are quote. These are key points made by this documentary.
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Speaker 1: It has a quote from a US District Court judge
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Speaker 1: James C. Fox from two thousand and three, and he says,
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice as if you examined the sixteenth Amendment,
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Speaker 1: you would find that States never ratified that amendment. Has
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Speaker 1: got interviews with IRS agents, a guy named John Turner,
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Speaker 1: a guy named Joe Banister, a chick named Sherry Jackson,
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Speaker 1: all three of them actual IRS agents that looked into this,
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Speaker 1: and all resigned from their positions in the IRS, according
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Speaker 1: to them, because they just they couldn't handle the deception
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Speaker 1: against the Americans, and that this was their entire job,
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Speaker 1: and that a lot of this was being pushed by
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Speaker 1: this group called We the People Foundation, which, by the
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Speaker 1: way I looked into it, their website hasn't been updated
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Speaker 1: since twenty twelve, so I don't know how active this
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Speaker 1: particular march is still going. But that's the key premise
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Speaker 1: is that the IRS, the income tax, the ten forty
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Speaker 1: is not even a real law.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the main theme throughout, like most of the movie,
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Speaker 4: is they're trying to figure out is this a law
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Speaker 4: or not? And when you speak of the irs agents
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Speaker 4: that resign. The funny thing is it's that typical of
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Speaker 4: like well more, they were trying to debunk it, that
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Speaker 4: this cannot be right, like I'm going to figure this out,
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Speaker 4: Like what dummies they are that they don't know that
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Speaker 4: there's a law. I'm going to find a specific law
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Speaker 4: or point. And they all came to the same conclusion
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Speaker 4: that there is none. And I was even like, as
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Speaker 4: I'm going through it, I'm like, yeah, where is it.
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Speaker 4: I'm looking for stuff and there's a lot of like
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Speaker 4: things that could be out there that kind of like
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Speaker 4: speculate or your your interpretation of it right, Like I
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Speaker 4: could say, well, I'm interpreting like this, but there's no
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Speaker 4: actual law. Like there's things that they make an argument
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Speaker 4: about it, and during the time where they're talking about
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Speaker 4: murder and it's like, but there's a law against murder.
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Speaker 4: And I think they even make one about a red
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Speaker 4: light in the green light, like well, you know, I
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Speaker 4: would I think it was Cohen. Maybe he's talking about
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Speaker 4: like if it's a red light, I'm going to stop.
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Speaker 4: Most people stop. Russo makes a joke and sometimes I
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Speaker 4: don't you know. And he's like, well I will, and
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Speaker 4: he's like, then Russo pauses it, and he gets to interject,
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Speaker 4: and he goes, but there is a law that tells
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Speaker 4: you have to stop in a red light, like I
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Speaker 4: can point to you that. So I thought that argument.
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Speaker 4: They argued it very well. They convinced me. It didn't
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Speaker 4: take much convincing, but they did convince me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you loved income tax before you see this documentary,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to break your heart, but you might not
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Speaker 1: like it ads much. And just to really drive this
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Speaker 1: one home, that last IRS agent that I mentioned, her
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Speaker 1: name was Sherry Jackson, and that one was the most
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Speaker 1: fascinating to me because she comes across this full page
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Speaker 1: ad in the USA Today July seventh, two thousand. It
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Speaker 1: was called the fifty thousand dollars Challenge, and all it said,
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Speaker 1: this full page ad in the USA Today that if
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Speaker 1: you can find the law that says where you have
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Speaker 1: to file for taxes, you win fifty thousand dollars. She
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Speaker 1: comes across this and she thinks to herself, I'm smart,
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Speaker 1: I'm in the IRS. I've heard this con you know,
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Speaker 1: over and over. Let's kill two birds with one stone.
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Speaker 1: Let's put this whole stupid, silly myth to rest, and
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Speaker 1: let's get me fifty k to go and buy mama
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Speaker 1: a new car. Right, how easy could that be? She
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Speaker 1: could go to work and just look up all the
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Speaker 1: stuff and after a few months of looking she just
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Speaker 1: never found any of that and becomes a member of
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Speaker 1: this movement to sort of just stop paying income tax.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was probably the most profound part of on
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Speaker 4: any of the agents, because her whole premise was to
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Speaker 4: try to debunk it.
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Speaker 1: The next claim is is kind of a short one.
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Speaker 1: I don't have a whole lot of subclaims for this one,
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Speaker 1: but just that fascism is really corporations working with government,
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Speaker 1: and that that that all the different political definitions, whatever
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Speaker 1: baggage you're bringing in. This is how Aaron Russo is
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Speaker 1: defining to this term of fascism is just corporations and
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Speaker 1: government working together to stifle people individuals, and that kind
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Speaker 1: of that is the crux of this. That a lot
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Speaker 1: of the claims they make, they sort of explain that
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Speaker 1: corporate tax is the one tax that's meant to you know,
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Speaker 1: pay for wars, and that if you want to worry
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Speaker 1: about highways, well, that comes from direct taxes from gasoline
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Speaker 1: and car sales and every other thing, excise taxes or
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Speaker 1: if you want to buy alcohol or cigarettes, that all
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Speaker 1: these things are taxed directly. But that when corporations work
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Speaker 1: with the government to say, well, let's just collect tax
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Speaker 1: on the people and get that to kind of pay
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Speaker 1: off some other things. That that is this entry point
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Speaker 1: to fascism. It's a little bit novel based on other
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Speaker 1: definitions I've heard from fascism. This is a very uniquely
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rousseau way to look at it, I think. But
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Speaker 1: that is that is one of the main claims, and
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Speaker 1: if that's his definition of it, I would say that, yeah,
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Speaker 1: his title of America Freedom of Fascism kind of hits
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Speaker 1: the mark.
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Speaker 4: It's kind of a classical liberal point of view, not
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Speaker 4: like maybe now in twenty two five, the progressive class,
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Speaker 4: but a classic liberal kind of sees it the fascism
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Speaker 4: of corporatism taking over and that tax and you as
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Speaker 4: you talk about the tax, I think like the interpretation
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Speaker 4: of voluntary compliance in the tax code is also what
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Speaker 4: they're kind of talking about in that where they're saying,
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Speaker 4: like when you talked about gains and profits of what
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Speaker 4: are we able to tax? Are we able to tax
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Speaker 4: the gains in profits? Are we able to tax the labor?
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Speaker 4: And that's one of the main arguments that's combined in that.
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Speaker 1: And there's also the last claim that I kind of
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Speaker 1: think that they were pushing forward was that there's going
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Speaker 1: to be a new wave of these real ID cards
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Speaker 1: and of RFI D chips. And if Aaron Russo was
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Speaker 1: a heavily religious man, I would almost tack on mark
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Speaker 1: of the beast here. That doesn't come up, but it's
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Speaker 1: essentially that premise that every other note that comes up
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Speaker 1: from nineteen thirteen all the way to you know, the
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Speaker 1: Patriot Act in two thousand and one, was that it's
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Speaker 1: moving every one to get shipped to voluntarily become part
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Speaker 1: of the system where we can all be tracked as
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Speaker 1: a matter of security, and that this is ultimately part
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Speaker 1: of the main goals of these small groups of bankers,
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Speaker 1: that they're trying to move everyone into this sort of
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Speaker 1: corporate fascistic new reality. That is one of the other
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Speaker 1: real big claims, and it's so big that at the
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Speaker 1: end of the movie, it kind of ends with a
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Speaker 1: few slides that are saying, do not get the chip,
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Speaker 1: Resist the chip, don't take the real ID. If you
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Speaker 1: have to go and get your driver's license and it's
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Speaker 1: got real ID, refuse to take your driver's license. So
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Speaker 1: it is very adamant about this particular point.
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Speaker 4: At one point, I would just like to add to that,
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Speaker 4: kind of like piggybacks off what you're talking. They also
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Speaker 4: speak a lot on the electronic machine voting machines becoming
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Speaker 4: like an issue, and it's just kind of funny going
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Speaker 4: back now, you know what I mean, like all the
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Speaker 4: voter fraud stuff and you've heard it for the last
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Speaker 4: like fifteen years, and he was kind of like one
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Speaker 4: of the first people that I could think of that
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Speaker 4: going back. This is two thousand and six, and he's
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Speaker 4: talking about these voting machines and how this will help
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Speaker 4: them keep the people that the key people and the
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Speaker 4: banker's people in office.
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Speaker 1: And it's worth noting here too that Aaron Russo died
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Speaker 1: one year after this documentary was released. Of course, on
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Speaker 1: the Internet you'll find claims of suspicious deaths and everything,
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Speaker 1: but officially he died of cancer. And even if there's
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Speaker 1: nothing suspicious about his death, which I don't necessarily think
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Speaker 1: there is, it is prophetic that some of the claims
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Speaker 1: that he was making kind of have already came and went.
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Speaker 1: It's already too late to protest some of these things
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Speaker 1: because they have already happened.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and maybe to your point too, if he maybe
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Speaker 4: that's why this film was so important to him. Maybe
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Speaker 4: already knew that he was diagnosed with something that was
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Speaker 4: going to lead to this, and that kind of pushes
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Speaker 4: into the film a little bit.
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Speaker 5: I think that's.
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Speaker 1: Actually a great point. Maybe this is what let him
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Speaker 1: burn some of those bridges, like, well, I'm not going
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Speaker 1: to need to call this guy in the year from now.
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Speaker 5: I'll be gone. Now.
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Speaker 1: This documentary has got a few different hidden treasures, the
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Speaker 1: big ones for me, and I'm gonna be biased in
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Speaker 1: this one. Actual interviews with g. Edward Griffin, the author
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Speaker 1: of Creature from Jackol Island. The og like the first
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Speaker 1: guy to really put his stamp on this particular topic
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Speaker 1: about nineteen thirteen and the Warburgs and the Rockefellers and
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Speaker 1: the Titanic sinking. Although this movie doesn't get too deep
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Speaker 1: into all those Titanic theories too. This is where all
16:43
Speaker 1: that comes from. This is like the fountain Head, which
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Speaker 1: a lot of those streams sort of derive from. We
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Speaker 1: also learn a lot about the origins of the IRS
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Speaker 1: and the income tax, and I think that just learning
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Speaker 1: about that, even if you don't mean to, by watching this,
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Speaker 1: you'll learn a little bit, and that's an incredibly worthy cause.
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Speaker 1: More so than a lot of other, you know, quote
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Speaker 1: conspiracy topics, this one is legit, Like you're actually learning
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Speaker 1: where it was defined, when it was defined, how the
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Speaker 1: law was passed. These are objective statements about our shared reality.
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Speaker 1: These are not conjectures, So I think that that alone
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Speaker 1: makes this sort of hidden gem. They also make a
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Speaker 1: push in an indirect way, but the same people that
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Speaker 1: are kind of pushing you to look into income tax.
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Speaker 1: It kind of dovetails with jury nullification, which I'm a
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Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of. I won't get too much
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Speaker 1: deeper into that, but it definitely pushes a lot of
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Speaker 1: these premises of jury nullification, which I love. And then finally,
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Speaker 1: unlike I would say ninety nine percent, and I can
17:45
Speaker 1: just make up percentages because that's what percentages are for.
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Speaker 1: So ninety nine percent of other conspiracy theme documentaries, a
17:52
Speaker 1: lot of them just kind of rile you up, and
17:54
Speaker 1: they leave these unanswered questions, as if that's part of
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Speaker 1: the lord of conspiracy. But this one suggests very concise
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Speaker 1: and direct actions that they suggest that you take. These
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Speaker 1: are the ones that they suggest engage in civil disobedience,
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Speaker 1: to take part in strikes and protests, to not accept
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Speaker 1: a national ID card even if it's your driver's license,
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Speaker 1: and to abolish computer voting. I don't know how much
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Speaker 1: any of us can do about that last one, and
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Speaker 1: I don't know how many people are just like you
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Speaker 1: know what, I'm not going to have a driver's license.
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Speaker 1: I don't need to drive a car ever again. I
18:31
Speaker 1: don't need to use the airport or get onto a
18:33
Speaker 1: plane or a train or a boat or you know
18:35
Speaker 1: what I mean, travel ever again for the rest of
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Speaker 1: my life. I don't need to buy a lottery ticket
18:39
Speaker 1: or cigarettes, or get prescription medication or get a job
18:42
Speaker 1: like this is sort of advocating for a full blown
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Speaker 1: sovereign citizen, which is only for a very tiny, minute
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Speaker 1: number of people that decide to willingly withdraw themselves from
18:54
Speaker 1: the rest of society. But these are the hidden gems,
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Speaker 1: is that it presents all of these things to you.
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Speaker 5: And I thought some of the hidden gems too.
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Speaker 4: My favorite part of the movie is the interview with
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Speaker 4: Sheldon Cohen, the former IRS commissioner and a author of
19:11
Speaker 4: the tax code. It's one of the best. Like, I know,
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Speaker 4: it's not the full scene because they kind of go
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Speaker 4: back to it later, but where he's pausing it and
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Speaker 4: he gets to go.
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Speaker 5: Oh really, or remember when we heard this?
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Speaker 4: I thought that was great and he really left him
19:25
Speaker 4: flat footed and he didn't have any answers and he
19:28
Speaker 4: kept putting his foot in his mouth. I thought that
19:31
Speaker 4: alone is worth the price of admission right there, that
19:35
Speaker 4: whole interview with him, where he really got It's one
19:38
Speaker 4: of those times where you're like, ah, yeah, it feels
19:40
Speaker 4: like you're right there, yeah, get him man, Like where
19:43
Speaker 4: you're watching the bully get beat up, right, Like the
19:45
Speaker 4: guy that.
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Speaker 5: You've been wanting to see the face is finally getting it.
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Speaker 4: And the way he articulated himself rue so you could
19:52
Speaker 4: tell he was getting under his skin and he even
19:54
Speaker 4: wanted to ender the interview. He's like, ah, I've had enough.
19:57
Speaker 4: I'm not prepared. As you said, quite a few these
20:00
Speaker 4: people were not prepared.
20:03
Speaker 5: Another thing that I thought was a gem was the
20:05
Speaker 5: Joe Lewis.
20:06
Speaker 4: Story where they kind of let everybody know that, like,
20:10
Speaker 4: look at this American hero that you know, liberals would say, hey,
20:15
Speaker 4: that has been through all this past or like kind
20:18
Speaker 4: of going on the strings of like hey man, racial impression.
20:21
Speaker 4: He was there for the World War two, he fought
20:24
Speaker 4: for his country and won, you know, goal for his country,
20:29
Speaker 4: all these things, these these accolades, and then he donates
20:33
Speaker 4: his check who the Armed Forces, and then he's taxed
20:37
Speaker 4: on it, like he's taxed on it, and then he
20:41
Speaker 4: owes millions of dollars in debt and he's trying to
20:43
Speaker 4: pay it off. And they even go as far as
20:46
Speaker 4: talking about when his mother died and she gave him
20:48
Speaker 4: six hundred dollars all the money in her name, that
20:51
Speaker 4: the arrest took it from him. And I thought that
20:53
Speaker 4: was significant because you can present that to people and say, look,
20:56
Speaker 4: go look up Joe Lewis. Do you think he's a
20:58
Speaker 4: great guy. Do you think he's an American? And look
21:01
Speaker 4: what happened to him. It's not your usual like, ah,
21:04
Speaker 4: this guy was a little shady or a sovereign citizen.
21:07
Speaker 4: He's trying to inflex his rights, you know, a guy
21:09
Speaker 4: that was trying to comply with everything was really took
21:13
Speaker 4: to the Ringer and America.
21:15
Speaker 1: He wasn't like an al Capone thing either where they
21:17
Speaker 1: couldn't get him on racketeering or they couldn't get him
21:19
Speaker 1: on you know, drugs or anything else, so they had
21:22
Speaker 1: to resort to get him on taxes. Joe Louis earned
21:25
Speaker 1: all this money, donated it to the government, and then
21:29
Speaker 1: the IRS comes in and says, you know, comes a
21:32
Speaker 1: knocking and it's like, hey, you now owe everything to
21:35
Speaker 1: us for the rest of your life because you were
21:37
Speaker 1: supposed to send us a cut. You can't just give
21:39
Speaker 1: it directly to the government like that, which also in
21:42
Speaker 1: this documentary they make a very good case that the
21:44
Speaker 1: IRS and the Federal Reserve is a private institution. This
21:49
Speaker 1: is not the government. So you can be on great
21:51
Speaker 1: terms with the government and still be on really bad
21:54
Speaker 1: terms with the IRS. And these two things are completely
21:58
Speaker 1: separate entities that in many cases are even antagonistic towards
22:02
Speaker 1: each other. The overboard parts, for me, the movie does
22:08
Speaker 1: a great job, although Aaron Russo realies more than he
22:12
Speaker 1: needs to on these man on the street interviews where
22:16
Speaker 1: he'll go up to people and be like, do you
22:18
Speaker 1: know where the you know, the taxes defined, and the
22:21
Speaker 1: law and what tells you to do this, And like
22:24
Speaker 1: you were mentioned earlier, murder, murder is on the books, right.
22:27
Speaker 1: I've never actually looked at the state or the federal
22:31
Speaker 1: law that tells you you are not allowed to murder
22:33
Speaker 1: or anything. I assume that it's in there, and I
22:36
Speaker 1: know that I've seen plenty of you know, news reports
22:39
Speaker 1: where people go to jail for murder. So it clearly
22:42
Speaker 1: it is, in all you know, practical sense of reality,
22:46
Speaker 1: a law. And I feel kind of the same way
22:48
Speaker 1: about that, just because you haven't seen the exact law,
22:51
Speaker 1: which this movie unequivalently makes a great case of presenting
22:55
Speaker 1: that there's no law in the books that actually says
22:57
Speaker 1: you have to file or that defines any of this.
23:00
Speaker 1: But there's plenty of instances of people going to jail,
23:03
Speaker 1: real jail, you know, shout out Wesley Snipes ye for
23:06
Speaker 1: tax evasion. So whether or not it's you know, on
23:10
Speaker 1: a piece of paper that you can show someone versus
23:12
Speaker 1: the last century of us, you know, of the country existing,
23:17
Speaker 1: it seems like it's been solidified into the law that matters,
23:20
Speaker 1: even if it's not the law that's on the books.
23:23
Speaker 1: So that that part is a little bit murky. And
23:25
Speaker 1: then also he asked people like, if you didn't have
23:28
Speaker 1: to pay income tax, would you? Of course every single
23:31
Speaker 1: person says no. I don't know what he's getting at.
23:33
Speaker 1: And then finally he goes to the IRS building in
23:36
Speaker 1: DC and he kind of harasses the security guard. The
23:39
Speaker 1: security guard comes by and he's like, sir, you can't
23:42
Speaker 1: film here, and he's like, show me on the law
23:44
Speaker 1: where it says I can't film here, and then he's
23:47
Speaker 1: got to call the supervisor. And then eventually the cops come,
23:50
Speaker 1: and then you know, Aaron Russo probably is like, I've
23:53
Speaker 1: got important friends and I'm a rich guy, so they
23:56
Speaker 1: don't arrest him for that. But I don't really understand
23:59
Speaker 1: what point held is proving. If he had actually been
24:02
Speaker 1: sent to jail and like went through the whole system
24:04
Speaker 1: because of that, it would make a difference. But this
24:07
Speaker 1: one reminded me a little bit of the Trayvon Martin
24:10
Speaker 1: hoax documentary with Joe Gilbert just going and adding unnecessary
24:15
Speaker 1: like b roll just to kind of like make this
24:17
Speaker 1: point to insert himself in this this bigger story.
24:22
Speaker 4: So you're saying Russo kind of birthed the all these
24:25
Speaker 4: people that have their influencer audit, the police channels.
24:29
Speaker 5: Like you know what they're filming. Hey, I could be here,
24:31
Speaker 5: show me the law.
24:32
Speaker 4: That's kind of the feel you got from that when
24:34
Speaker 4: he's like, show me where I can't film.
24:36
Speaker 1: And I think he's like a like a rich Hollywood
24:41
Speaker 1: producer version of a sovereign citizen, right Like he's got stockholdings,
24:46
Speaker 1: he's got a summer house, he's he has the resources
24:49
Speaker 1: to kind of larp as a sovereign citizen. But I
24:53
Speaker 1: don't know if he's really got it in him to
24:56
Speaker 1: live like the true Jordan Maxwell, no license play. You know,
25:00
Speaker 1: I'm traveling, I'm not driving all of that. I don't
25:03
Speaker 1: know if he was made for that life. But he's
25:06
Speaker 1: kind of showing you, like the rich person's version of it.
25:10
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, the rich person. That's definitely the version of it.
25:13
Speaker 4: And also I think one of the overbode moments is that,
25:17
Speaker 4: as you said about the law, even though as much
25:19
Speaker 4: as I hate income taxing, as much as I hate
25:22
Speaker 4: the irs, everything's left for interpretation, right Like it's like
25:26
Speaker 4: where I have to like, no, there's no defined answer
25:30
Speaker 4: because it's like how do you perceive what was written?
25:33
Speaker 5: What do you think of the sixteen Amendment?
25:35
Speaker 4: And there's just this argument that I don't know if
25:37
Speaker 4: we could ever reach the middle ground because so many
25:39
Speaker 4: people have it made the line in the sand and say.
25:43
Speaker 5: Hey, we're over here.
25:44
Speaker 4: We believe that you're not supposed to tax labor and
25:47
Speaker 4: you're only tax gains and profit, and other people says
25:51
Speaker 4: any income whatsoever. And I don't know how you get
25:54
Speaker 4: over that barrier. That for me was one of the
25:56
Speaker 4: overboiled moments. Not necessarily the fault of the film. It's
25:59
Speaker 4: just the reality of like everything's interpreted, so how do
26:03
Speaker 4: you perceive it?
26:05
Speaker 1: Well, actually, let's just read the entire sixteenth Amendment. It's
26:08
Speaker 1: not long, it's incredibly short. Here is the entirety of it.
26:13
Speaker 1: Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes
26:16
Speaker 1: on incomes from whatever source, derived without apportionment among the
26:22
Speaker 1: several states, and without regard to any consensus or enumeration.
26:27
Speaker 1: That's the entirety of the sixteenth Amendment. It says that
26:30
Speaker 1: Congress is allowed to collect taxes on incomes from any
26:35
Speaker 1: source without apportionment, and that without apportionment part is kind
26:39
Speaker 1: of important because there's a few other times in this
26:42
Speaker 1: documentary that other people on camera that he's interviewing are
26:46
Speaker 1: referring to why income tax is unconstitutional because all other
26:51
Speaker 1: direct taxes have to be apportioned. And if you want
26:54
Speaker 1: to know what a portion means, it means that if
26:56
Speaker 1: you tax me one hundred dollars, then I have to
26:59
Speaker 1: split that as the government. I have to take that
27:01
Speaker 1: one hundred dollars and divide it equally amongst all the
27:04
Speaker 1: people in the city, state, country, whatever the group is
27:08
Speaker 1: that that tax represents, and without that apportionment that it
27:12
Speaker 1: is now unconstitutional. Well, the amendment clearly says without apportionment,
27:18
Speaker 1: so that one kind of goes out the gate a
27:21
Speaker 1: little bit, so it doesn't really make the unconstitutional, and
27:24
Speaker 1: they make I guess the conventional explanation for this is
27:28
Speaker 1: that the sixteenth Amendment does not actually pass a new
27:33
Speaker 1: law that allows them to levy attacks. This already existed.
27:36
Speaker 1: The federal government was already allowed to issue that tax.
27:40
Speaker 1: What it does is it adds a little asterisk that
27:43
Speaker 1: now says without apportionment. So after the sixteenth Amendment, this
27:47
Speaker 1: means that in addition to taxing you, which they were
27:50
Speaker 1: already had the ability to do, now they no longer
27:52
Speaker 1: have to divide it up equally for any sort of
27:55
Speaker 1: social services, and they can just spend the money on
27:58
Speaker 1: whatever they want. So that I mean, as short as
28:02
Speaker 1: it is, it has led to all sorts of debate.
28:05
Speaker 1: There's Supreme Court rulings that seem to contradict this, there's
28:09
Speaker 1: other amendments that seem to contradict it. But the truth is,
28:12
Speaker 1: if you don't pay your taxes. Ask Wesley Snipes, what happens, right?
28:16
Speaker 1: Federal agents show up and they repossess everything that you've
28:19
Speaker 1: got under gunpoint. So whether or not they can show
28:23
Speaker 1: it to you on a piece of paper versus are
28:26
Speaker 1: the Feds coming for you? No end? Yes, all right,
28:38
Speaker 1: let's do the deep dive here. A lot of claims
28:41
Speaker 1: made in this documentary. It's about two hours long, although
28:45
Speaker 1: one of the claims in particular felt like it was
28:47
Speaker 1: more fun to break down than the others. And this
28:50
Speaker 1: is that all of our income tax goes only to
28:54
Speaker 1: paying off the interest on the federal debt, and that
28:58
Speaker 1: not even a single nickel makes it into public services.
29:03
Speaker 1: So when you send in all the money for individual
29:06
Speaker 1: earnings across every single American, every single penny of that
29:10
Speaker 1: income tax only pays off the interest that the government
29:15
Speaker 1: is having to spend to the central banks for the
29:18
Speaker 1: privilege of using their fiat currency to begin with. That's
29:22
Speaker 1: kind of mind blowing. I assume that income tax are
29:25
Speaker 1: supposed to go to funding a whole array of federal
29:29
Speaker 1: and state based things, but this movie makes this very
29:31
Speaker 1: specific claim that I've got some deep dive on it.
29:34
Speaker 1: But when you heard that, like, did that make sense
29:37
Speaker 1: to you? Did you believe it outright? Did it's seen
29:39
Speaker 1: that was a little far fetched or what.
29:42
Speaker 4: I felt like a little far fetched as far as
29:46
Speaker 4: like I know it's been used for like to me,
29:48
Speaker 4: but that's my personal bias. I was thinking more like
29:50
Speaker 4: use for than they dance around it, but like military
29:53
Speaker 4: use and stuff like that, like where they kind of
29:55
Speaker 4: talk a little.
29:56
Speaker 5: That's where the money's going.
29:57
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean a lot of the things in
30:00
Speaker 4: Washington in general, like a hot topic now is the
30:02
Speaker 4: Board of Education getting dismantled.
30:05
Speaker 5: But a lot of the things are just suggestions.
30:07
Speaker 4: In general, right like we have I don't know how
30:10
Speaker 4: much funding nationally is needed for some of these things,
30:12
Speaker 4: and it would make sense with our infrastructure being a
30:15
Speaker 4: little shoddy as it is.
30:17
Speaker 1: Well, so the source of that claim about all of
30:20
Speaker 1: our income tax money going directly to pay just the
30:24
Speaker 1: interest on the national debt. This comes from when Reagan
30:28
Speaker 1: was elected. And when Reagan first got elected, he put
30:31
Speaker 1: together what they call a blue ribbon panel of a
30:34
Speaker 1: bunch of businessmen from across the country headed by this
30:37
Speaker 1: guy named Peter Grace, who has a side note, is
30:41
Speaker 1: the grandson of William Grace, who's the guy that received
30:45
Speaker 1: the freaking Statue of Liberty from France for New York. So,
30:50
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, some big names, not just some
30:52
Speaker 1: random guy. So this guy, Peter Grace, he kind of
30:55
Speaker 1: heads this little panel put together by the president. Kind
30:57
Speaker 1: of like what Trump does too, Right, he goes out
30:59
Speaker 1: and he gets business man and he puts together doje
31:02
Speaker 1: or he puts together these kind of like little groups.
31:04
Speaker 1: That's kind of what Reagan did. Here and Peter Grace
31:07
Speaker 1: and this Grace Commission, they put together report. They spend
31:10
Speaker 1: months researching. You know, where the income tax is going.
31:14
Speaker 1: This is what's in the Grace Commission report. One hundred
31:17
Speaker 1: percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest
31:22
Speaker 1: on the federal debt. All individual tax revenues are gone
31:27
Speaker 1: before one nickel is spent on the services that taxpayers
31:31
Speaker 1: expect from government unquote. That is the summary finding. Now
31:36
Speaker 1: it could be biased, right. This is a group that
31:38
Speaker 1: Reagan puts together in his little inner circle of business people,
31:42
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that they want the income tax gone,
31:44
Speaker 1: but this was their finding that not only is it
31:47
Speaker 1: inefficient and even on constitutional depending on your point of view,
31:51
Speaker 1: but objectively, all of the money is being spent entirely
31:54
Speaker 1: at this time in the eighties with Reagan on just
31:57
Speaker 1: paying the interest on the debt.
32:01
Speaker 4: That would lead a lot more to the like you said,
32:03
Speaker 4: freedom to fascism, right, that kind of rings a high
32:06
Speaker 4: higher bell when you kind of put that perspective out there.
32:10
Speaker 1: The movie also connected to all this. It kind of
32:14
Speaker 1: asked this question, and it does it in a way
32:17
Speaker 1: that conspiracy documentaries will usually leave an open ended question
32:21
Speaker 1: as if it's making this point. But I'm going to
32:22
Speaker 1: answer this rhetorical question because that's what the deep dive
32:25
Speaker 1: is for. The question is if you needed to tax
32:30
Speaker 1: income in order to fund the government and get government services,
32:34
Speaker 1: then how did the United States exist From seventeen seventy
32:38
Speaker 1: six to nineteen thirteen because by those times there was
32:42
Speaker 1: no federal income tax on individuals. So, how the hell
32:46
Speaker 1: did the country exist for nearly two centuries. It's a
32:49
Speaker 1: good question, it's a good pointed question, and it makes
32:51
Speaker 1: you like, oh, yeah, how did it? Well, here's the answer.
32:54
Speaker 4: Right.
32:55
Speaker 1: First of all, in seventeen seventy six, the United States
32:59
Speaker 1: was the same amount of land, right, it was much
33:02
Speaker 1: smaller where it was like these thirteen colonies. We didn't
33:06
Speaker 1: have the West Expansion, we didn't have the Louisiana purchase.
33:09
Speaker 1: Those things in particular end up funding money. Right. The
33:13
Speaker 1: government's able to take land from other groups and then
33:18
Speaker 1: sell that to private businesses and make money off that sale.
33:22
Speaker 1: I mean, that's one hell of a way of making money.
33:24
Speaker 1: If you've heard of real estate, it's kind of like
33:26
Speaker 1: this big market. Right. So the government just inheriting all
33:30
Speaker 1: of Texas, all of California and then selling that to
33:33
Speaker 1: private industry and selling it to the railroads. That's one
33:36
Speaker 1: good way of raising some capital. Another one are excise taxes, right.
33:41
Speaker 1: The government actually did these, and ironically, the very first
33:45
Speaker 1: excise tax was on whiskey in seventeen ninety one. And
33:49
Speaker 1: this is while George Washington is president, and even then
33:53
Speaker 1: there was this huge whisky rebellion and people like it
33:55
Speaker 1: was a violent rebellion where now farmers are fighting against
34:00
Speaker 1: this brand new formed United States of America government over
34:03
Speaker 1: this tax. So it's not just like, oh, everyone was
34:07
Speaker 1: living in total peace and harmony from seventeen seventy six
34:10
Speaker 1: to nineteen thirteen, and there were no money problems and
34:12
Speaker 1: there was no government corruption. Like the second government started.
34:15
Speaker 1: People were already going into violent protests over taxes. So
34:20
Speaker 1: other excise taxes were tobacco and you know, other sort
34:23
Speaker 1: of like individual goods. And then finally there's the concept
34:28
Speaker 1: of tariffs. Right, they did a lot more on tariffs.
34:31
Speaker 1: That's sort of what Donald Trump is doing now in
34:34
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. He's playing with this idea of could
34:37
Speaker 1: we get rid of income tax and just replace it
34:40
Speaker 1: with higher tariffs. Well, that's exactly what they did prior
34:43
Speaker 1: to nineteen thirteen. It just happened to be very inconsistent
34:47
Speaker 1: because now a lot of those prices make it to
34:51
Speaker 1: you know, individual citizens, and they're very they're very volatile.
34:56
Speaker 1: It's not like it's the exact same amount, because now
34:59
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this massive amount of income is
35:02
Speaker 1: being regulated based on in goods that are coming in
35:05
Speaker 1: and out of the country, and that can change. We
35:07
Speaker 1: don't have everything to say over that particular process. They
35:11
Speaker 1: kind of mentions, well, where do highways come from? Again?
35:14
Speaker 1: Gasoline tax when you buy a car, when you register
35:16
Speaker 1: your car, all these things, those are direct taxes for that.
35:19
Speaker 1: Where does education come from? Right, you were mentioning this, Well,
35:22
Speaker 1: that's local property tax. You already pay for schools in
35:26
Speaker 1: your local area by just owning land in that local area.
35:30
Speaker 1: So they make a very very good case about that
35:34
Speaker 1: you can get by without it, although some of those
35:36
Speaker 1: examples of like, oh, well how do we get it before, Well,
35:40
Speaker 1: we can't rediscover Mexico again and steal more land and
35:44
Speaker 1: then sell it off again, right, like we've kind of
35:46
Speaker 1: already done that. If we annex Canada and start selling
35:50
Speaker 1: Canada off, maybe that's the way to get back to this.
35:53
Speaker 1: But anyways, to answer the rhetorical that was the deep dive.
35:56
Speaker 1: That's how the country was able to survive for two
35:58
Speaker 1: hundred years by doing stuff that's maybe not at our
36:01
Speaker 1: disposal now, and.
36:04
Speaker 4: That money drives up and they had to find new
36:06
Speaker 4: ideas of continuously funding it, and people come up with
36:09
Speaker 4: their own things, like you said, from selling land to tariffs,
36:12
Speaker 4: where you can't just keep finding land, even though now
36:14
Speaker 4: they want to maybe invade Canada and Greenland right and
36:18
Speaker 4: go flip those And we've flipped that, we might get
36:20
Speaker 4: a pretty pennyback, and I have to pay income taxes
36:23
Speaker 4: for another twenty to thirty to fifty years. But eventually,
36:27
Speaker 4: when you have an entity, it's going to be asking
36:29
Speaker 4: for money somehow, some way.
36:38
Speaker 1: Ripples and waves. How did this movie make an impact?
36:43
Speaker 1: I don't know did it. I don't know many people
36:45
Speaker 1: that have actually seen America Freedom of Fascism. And the
36:49
Speaker 1: fact that Aaron Russo died a year after he released
36:52
Speaker 1: this means that he didn't go on that you know,
36:55
Speaker 1: ten year twenty year circuit and keep pushing this and
36:59
Speaker 1: get on the podcast and keep improving on it. So
37:01
Speaker 1: unless you saw it right after it came out, it
37:04
Speaker 1: kind of fizzled away in a little bit. I just
37:06
Speaker 1: remember seeing it because outside of this particular documentary, there
37:11
Speaker 1: was an interview with Aaron Russo, and Aaron Russo claims
37:15
Speaker 1: that he talked to a guy named Nicholas Rockefeller and
37:19
Speaker 1: was invited into this inner circle that I'll paraphrase this
37:22
Speaker 1: a little bit here, but that he gets invited to
37:25
Speaker 1: join what you might call an illuminati, and Aaron Russo
37:28
Speaker 1: turns him down, but Nicholas Rockefeller still continues to tell
37:34
Speaker 1: him about all these plans they've got that apparently he
37:37
Speaker 1: told him prior to nine to eleven happening that they
37:40
Speaker 1: were going to stage this huge event and you know, Aaron,
37:44
Speaker 1: you can, you know, you can be part of this club.
37:46
Speaker 1: And Aaron's like, I told him never, I'll never do that,
37:48
Speaker 1: but he still kind of remains friends with him over
37:51
Speaker 1: these years. Without that interview that I can't remember where
37:54
Speaker 1: I heard that, but this is him talking like this
37:57
Speaker 1: is Aaron Russo talking to the camera saying, yeah, yes,
38:00
Speaker 1: I was invited by the Rockefellers. It told me about
38:02
Speaker 1: all these plans. It told me about these plans for
38:04
Speaker 1: eugenics and these plans for major conspiracies that you usually
38:09
Speaker 1: just read on internet forums. Here's a guy saying, like, no,
38:12
Speaker 1: that the Rockefeller told me directly himself. And then again
38:16
Speaker 1: he turns up debt a year later. So all sorts
38:18
Speaker 1: of conspiracy around that. But I think that's the biggest
38:21
Speaker 1: waves for this movie and that you've got a Hollywood
38:25
Speaker 1: producer that used his credibility burnt it burnt a lot
38:29
Speaker 1: of bridges getting some of these interviews with the actual authorities.
38:34
Speaker 4: I say it did have influence though, like maybe not
38:36
Speaker 4: directly with a ton of people watching it, but I
38:38
Speaker 4: think there was certain people that watched it and had
38:42
Speaker 4: enough like Rom pauls in it and Jedward Griffins. It
38:45
Speaker 4: kind of reignited those liberty movements to tea party movements,
38:48
Speaker 4: reassurgence of libertarians in the mainstream, and this and the Fed.
38:53
Speaker 4: You know, you got back to the Jeko, the jack
38:56
Speaker 4: O Aile creature of Jacko Aile.
38:59
Speaker 5: It gave that energy back.
39:00
Speaker 4: I don't know if it influenced particularly of people watching it,
39:04
Speaker 4: but I think it influenced some key members in these
39:08
Speaker 4: liberty movements that actually kept pushing that message forward.
39:13
Speaker 1: And a note here, maybe this was like one of
39:15
Speaker 1: the overboard things, but I wouldn't really say this as overboard.
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Speaker 1: But there is a very specific moment in this movie
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Speaker 1: when you realize, oh, I'm just listening to a bunch
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Speaker 1: of old lawyers debate very high level theoretical legal cases
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Speaker 1: with each other and get real passionate about it, but
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Speaker 1: it doesn't really ever return back to the people in
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Speaker 1: that way. Like once it gets into just a bunch
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Speaker 1: of legal theory, it sort of stays in that space
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Speaker 1: for the rest of the documentary.
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Speaker 4: Definitely, Yeah, it doesn't go back in like kind of
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Speaker 4: that's where I said the speculation and to me, that
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Speaker 4: does go though overboard. One of the overboards for me
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Speaker 4: was what you mentioned earlier was definitely the RF the
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Speaker 4: chips in the that chipping you up right, like we
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Speaker 4: all know that, like that that was a process and
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Speaker 4: they did thoroughly about it, like and those are all
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Speaker 4: real news clips, and but it never turned out to
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Speaker 4: be that particular.
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Speaker 5: They weren't. They were close to where they were supposed to.
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Speaker 4: Be, but they shot over the mark because you know,
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Speaker 4: they probably didn't know the new technologies that were just
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Speaker 4: around the corner.
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Speaker 1: All right, you gotta tell me sink or swim for you,
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Speaker 1: where's this one at?
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Speaker 5: Swim all the way very entertaining tons of knowledge.
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Speaker 4: And one of the highlights I forgot to mention earlier
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Speaker 4: is I thought them highlighting pretty much the irs being
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Speaker 4: a gang that.
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Speaker 5: Could at any time.
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Speaker 4: Forged documentation on you rage your house and and have
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Speaker 4: you walking out with a little small towel and forcing
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Speaker 4: your kids to hurry up and get dressed. Like it
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Speaker 4: really showed the thug aspect of the irs, which I
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Speaker 4: don't think is highlighted enough, but has all the grades
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Speaker 4: man every single expert in there to me like I'm
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Speaker 4: a big Ron Paul guy, I'm a big g Edward
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Speaker 4: Griffin guy. Seeing them get to break down stuff, and
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Speaker 4: really it was thought provoking where we're interjecting should we
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Speaker 4: be paying taxes?
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Speaker 5: What is income tax?
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Speaker 4: Things that I already you know bias on obviously, like
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Speaker 4: I hate diarest and I don't want to pay income tax,
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Speaker 4: which I don't know like you said.
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Speaker 5: Who does?
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Speaker 4: But I thought they make great claims. Whether it can
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Speaker 4: be interpreted or not, it doesn't matter. But I thought
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Speaker 4: the questions that they arose to me personally would make
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Speaker 4: me push further into investigating how can we not pay
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Speaker 4: in taxes?
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Speaker 1: And no surprise for me, this is definitely a swim too,
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Speaker 1: because in my opinion, you walk away from this documentary
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Speaker 1: learning something new, learning that maybe there is an a
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Speaker 1: legal definition or any law on the books that unequivocally
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Speaker 1: says that you have to fill out your ten forty,
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Speaker 1: although again that doesn't mean I'm not filling mine out
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Speaker 1: because I don't want the FEDS showing up in my
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Speaker 1: house and making me do a purp walk and a
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Speaker 1: towel in front of all my neighbors, which we've seen
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Speaker 1: will happen to you over and over again. Although they
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Speaker 1: also make a point that I think three of the
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Speaker 1: people that we see in this documentary being interviewed that
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Speaker 1: worked for the IRS and then said I'm not paying
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Speaker 1: my income taxes anymore because I resigned from my position
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Speaker 1: I saw that it wasn't constitutional. And it shows that
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Speaker 1: they beat some cases brought against them by the IRS.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm ready for that level of
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Speaker 1: commitment where I am actually going up against the IRS
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Speaker 1: in court and hoping that I also get a jury
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Speaker 1: that finds my side of it favorable. Because they even
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Speaker 1: make a note that the judge in one of these
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Speaker 1: juries was totally expecting the jury to go out and
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Speaker 1: rule against this person convicted of tax fraud, and they
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Speaker 1: came back and they acquitted, and they said that they
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Speaker 1: didn't find any law that states that you actually had
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Speaker 1: to pay income tax, So clearly even the judge was like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: these idiots are going to go straight to jail, so
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Speaker 1: it's it's very risky. It's risky, and you would be
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Speaker 1: putting yourself at risk by not being income tax and
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Speaker 1: they focus on that maybe a little bit too much,
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Speaker 1: and then they kind of gloss over the fact that
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Speaker 1: there was another court case where like twenty four people
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Speaker 1: all went to jail for fraud because they didn't have
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Speaker 1: that same stroke of luck. So anyway, definitely a swim
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Speaker 1: because anything that makes you more interested in reading Creature
43:23
Speaker 1: from Jaco Island, understanding the Sixteenth Amendment, understanding irs and
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Speaker 1: the Federal Reserve and how bills are made and all
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Speaker 1: of that is a worthy documentary. So one hundred percent
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Speaker 1: Swim on the Horizon is the next conspiracy theme documentary.
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Speaker 1: It's called A Noble Lie Oklahoma City, nineteen ninety five,
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Speaker 1: and the documentary itself is from twenty eleven. That's the
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Speaker 1: name has nineteen ninety five in it. This one, again,
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Speaker 1: is one that will rock anybody's mind the first time
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Speaker 1: that they see it. I'm hoping it rocks your mind
44:04
Speaker 1: a little bit because you mentioned you hadn't seen it
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Speaker 1: before either, so I'm excited about this one. It might
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Speaker 1: even make you even more if you hate the I
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Speaker 1: R s Now, we're gonna get you to hate the
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Speaker 1: FBI and the at F and pretty much everybody else.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I'm ready to enjoy that because uh and then whatever
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Speaker 4: I hate, I'm hoping that I get the luck a
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Speaker 4: stroke and have one of those jurors that sees it
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Speaker 4: my way.
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Speaker 1: They ain't never had a deal.
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