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SMNTY Classics: Spoiled Saturdays - Across the Spider-Verse · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samitta. I'm welcome to stuff
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  Speaker 1: I never told you productive iHeart radio, and today we
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  Speaker 1: are bringing back a favorite of mine, a Spoiled Saturdays
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  Speaker 1: on across the Spider Verse. People know I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I just oh, my gosh. When I was on Movie
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  Speaker 1: Crush back when that was a podcast Spider Verse, the
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  Speaker 1: first one was my pick. That was the one I
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  Speaker 1: went for. And sometimes I get nostalgic for that. Do
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  Speaker 1: you ever have a topic that you talk about, and
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  Speaker 1: this is one for me that I just knew so
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  Speaker 1: much about that. Chuck would ask me questions and I
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  Speaker 1: just knew. I was like, oh, the Kirby crack hole. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is what it is. I know what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I love when I'm so prepared. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: you can't tell me nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Let us. It's so nice. And it was really nice
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  Speaker 1: because a lot of listeners were resonated with it. I
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  Speaker 1: love when that happens. There's a couple of reasons this
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  Speaker 1: is on my mind to bring back. Obviously the New
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  Speaker 1: Spider Man movies and theaters. I haven't seen it yet,
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  Speaker 1: which is wild.
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe you haven't seen it.
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  Speaker 3: Have you gotten spoiled though, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I actually don't think I've gotten fully spoiled, but I've
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  Speaker 1: gotten like some key things that they were trying to
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  Speaker 1: keep hidden spot.
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  Speaker 2: And you better go see it soon, I know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm I think I'm in a like spat with the
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  Speaker 1: person I normally go with that I don't know about this,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that he's like not inviting me because
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  Speaker 1: he's mad at me. But that's that's something I figure
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  Speaker 1: out on my own. But also this is on my
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  Speaker 1: mind because I recently watched Project Tell Mary and I
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  Speaker 1: did the same people Phil Lord and Christopher Miller did
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  Speaker 1: that I was when I was watching it, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: this has similar kind of visual cues, and I'm sure enough,
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  Speaker 1: there you go. Also, this movie, we talk about it
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  Speaker 1: in this episode a little bit, but these movies take
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  Speaker 1: a lot to animate, and they take a lot of time.
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  Speaker 1: And there's been kind of a growing conversation from people,
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  Speaker 1: especially at Sony I think, who are saying like, this
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  Speaker 1: is not sustainable, this is like overwork, and so that
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  Speaker 1: I believe the deadline for the next movie has been
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  Speaker 1: pushed back. But they just released character posters.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so exciting This is the time.
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  Speaker 1: Of year when you know it's Comic Con, as dagon Con,
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  Speaker 1: all these things are coming out to get you excited
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  Speaker 1: as a fan of stuff. So I'm excited. It's as
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  Speaker 1: you should be, as you should be, so please enjoy
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  Speaker 1: this classic episode. Hey, this is Anny. I'm welcome to
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  Speaker 1: Steffan Never Told You production of iHeartRadio, and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: another edition of Spoiled Saturdays.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we've only.
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  Speaker 1: Done one of these. It's been a minute since we've
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  Speaker 1: done two. Okay, we've definitely done something that was like
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  Speaker 1: in the realm of Spoiled Saturdays. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: we'd called it that yet. Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, as the titles suggest, spoilers, massive spoilers, everything spoiled.
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  Speaker 1: So if you don't want to be spoiled on the
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  Speaker 1: new Spider Verse movie, go.
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  Speaker 2: Away, come back, go live alone, people.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, Yeah, come on. As I was doing this,
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  Speaker 1: I realized we never did the first one. We kind
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  Speaker 1: of talked about it in and uh we No, we
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  Speaker 1: never did it. We talked about it briefly in our
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  Speaker 1: superhero themed holiday feminist movies around the world, where we
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  Speaker 1: did like Batman and Iron Man three Expider first.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know, because we need to come back
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  Speaker 2: to it, then we should.
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  Speaker 1: I have so many thoughts on that. As I was
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  Speaker 1: doing this, I had such a glorious moment of it's
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  Speaker 1: so nice when you just know something so well that
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  Speaker 1: I'm just writing from the heart. I don't have to.
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  Speaker 3: When we were talking about doing it, I was like,
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  Speaker 3: this is gonna be an easy one for you.
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  Speaker 2: Just go for it.
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  Speaker 1: The hard part was condensing it, to be honest, but
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  Speaker 1: I tried my best.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, which listeners, he does have a little little warning
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  Speaker 3: side note, keep it brief us.
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  Speaker 4: In July Annie to myself, I wrote it in there,
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  Speaker 4: don't do it and speaking of because I wanted to
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  Speaker 4: go into all these tangents about like the animation and
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  Speaker 4: the technology involved.
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  Speaker 1: That's not really this podcast, but I did do that
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  Speaker 1: on Movie Crush when I did an episode on the
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  Speaker 1: first one where I really went in. So if you
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  Speaker 1: want to listen to that, I would recommend it. It's
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  Speaker 1: very nerdy. I'm talking about like the Kirby dots and
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  Speaker 1: the Kirby crackle and all this stuff. That's great, but
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  Speaker 1: to say like new technologies have been invented to make
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  Speaker 1: these movies. They have an R and D department to
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  Speaker 1: make these movies, so really cool stuff. This one has
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  Speaker 1: been very successful. It has very been very critically acclaimed.
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  Speaker 1: It made more money and it's opening weeks than the
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  Speaker 1: first one did all together, so it's doing well. And yes,
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  Speaker 1: as Samantha I were discussing right before, there are two
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  Speaker 1: different versions of this movie in theaters. Essentially what happened
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  Speaker 1: was there was kind of a complaint about some of
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  Speaker 1: the audios, so they fixed some of the audio, and
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  Speaker 1: then there's about twenty very small differences in between the
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  Speaker 1: two of them. So that's just if you want to
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  Speaker 1: look it up, there's some guidelines of the differences, so
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  Speaker 1: you can be like, oh, here we go, that's the
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  Speaker 1: version I watch. Yes, so I'm gonna do a rundown
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  Speaker 1: of this plot because it's kind of it's a lot,
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  Speaker 1: and I feel like i'll just it'll be easier if
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  Speaker 1: I just go to just go, just go, Okay. So,
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  Speaker 1: Spider Man Across the Spider Verse is the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: three sequel of the critically acclaimed twenty eighteen Spider Man
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  Speaker 1: Into the Spider Verse, both written and produced by Phil
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  Speaker 1: Lord and Christopher Miller. Both of these films are unique
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  Speaker 1: in their animation styles. They have two D, they have
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  Speaker 1: three D, they have stop motion, different frame rates, bright colors,
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  Speaker 1: and just a lot of different stylistic animations like noir, anime,
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  Speaker 1: punk and colors that make them very, very beautiful. It
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  Speaker 1: is like watching a living comic book. So in the
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  Speaker 1: first movie, which yes, I will keep this brief, Miles
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  Speaker 1: uner Alis discovers a multiverse of alternate universes and their
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  Speaker 1: respective Spider People and not even people always with their help,
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  Speaker 1: he learns to accept his role as Spider Man after
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  Speaker 1: the death of Peter Parker in his universe, along the
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  Speaker 1: way learning his uncle Aaron is the Prowler who is
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  Speaker 1: a villain, and he gets killed by Kingpinn while also
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  Speaker 1: strengthening his relationship with his father, who is a police officer.
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  Speaker 1: All of the other Spider People are returned to their
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  Speaker 1: own universes. The second one picks up pretty much right
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  Speaker 1: where that one ended, though it starts with Spider Woman
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  Speaker 1: slash Gwynn Stacy's POV and going a bit more in
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  Speaker 1: depth into her backstory of how she Spider Woman, was
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  Speaker 1: blamed for the death of her best friend and only friend,
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  Speaker 1: Peter Parker, something that has made her really closed off
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  Speaker 1: and has driven a wedge in her relationship with her
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  Speaker 1: police chief father, who is determined to catch Spider Woman
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  Speaker 1: and bring her to justice, not knowing it's Gwynn and
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  Speaker 1: kind of not understanding why Gwinn doesn't want him to
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  Speaker 1: do it. After the events of the first film, she
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  Speaker 1: missus Miles, who is the first friend she'd made after
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  Speaker 1: the death of Peter. While investigating a disturbance, she sees
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  Speaker 1: the sort of Italian Renaissance version of the Vulture. And
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  Speaker 1: by the way, the song on the soundtrack is called
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  Speaker 1: Vulture gets Culture because it happens out of museum and
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  Speaker 1: I love it anyway, he's glitching, indicating that he is
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  Speaker 1: from another universe. They fight, and soon Miguel O'Hara slash
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  Speaker 1: Spider Man twenty ninety nine shows up from his universe
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  Speaker 1: to aid her, and he was introduced as an Easter
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  Speaker 1: Egg in the end credits of the first one. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: he also shows up with another Spider Woman, Jess Drew,
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  Speaker 1: and together they are able to subdue Vulture. Gwinn reveals
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  Speaker 1: her true identity to her father and he tries to
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  Speaker 1: arrest her, hurt Gwyn and accepts Miguel's very reluctant offer
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  Speaker 1: to join the Spider Society and escapes into a portal
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  Speaker 1: with him and Jess. So basically, he's implying he's having
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  Speaker 1: to grow and clean up their mess that they created
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  Speaker 1: by trying to fix this Collider multiverse problem, and he's
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  Speaker 1: not happy about it, and he doesn't want her in
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  Speaker 1: the society, but Jess is like, no, no, I think
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  Speaker 1: we should have her in. Meanwhile, Miles is struggling to
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  Speaker 1: balance his responsibilities as Spider Man with those of his
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  Speaker 1: family and academic life as it comes time for college applications,
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  Speaker 1: especially when his family doesn't want him to leave Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 1: He also imagines telling them about his identity as Spider
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  Speaker 1: Man that he holds himself back, even as his parents
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  Speaker 1: suspect he is lying to them, and he misses Gwyn too.
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  Speaker 1: He also does not have much in the way of friends,
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  Speaker 1: so he keeps mentioning these friends like Quinn, and his
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  Speaker 1: parents are like, why haven't we never met Quinn and
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  Speaker 1: he's like, oh, well. He encounters what he calls a
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  Speaker 1: bad guy the week called the Spot. I'm just going
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  Speaker 1: to call him Spot throughout this, but it's the Spot
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  Speaker 1: who after the accident with all the alternate universes at
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  Speaker 1: the company he worked for, alchem X from the first one.
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  Speaker 1: He has these interdimensional spots and portals on his body.
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  Speaker 1: He blames Miles for what happened to him and reveals
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  Speaker 1: that he transported the spider that bit Miles from another
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  Speaker 1: dimension Earth forty two. Spot learns how to travel through
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  Speaker 1: universes using his spots and decides to increase his power
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  Speaker 1: to become more than a bad guy of the Week.
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  Speaker 1: Gwinn and Miles reunite and he follows her and learns
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  Speaker 1: she's been tracking Spot through dimensions. Just tells Gwen to
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  Speaker 1: leave Miles behind, but Miles jumps in the portal after
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  Speaker 1: Gwen taking them to Mumbatan on Earth fifty one oh one,
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  Speaker 1: Mumbatan being Mumbai in Manhattan mixed together. They join forces
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  Speaker 1: with that universe as Spider Man, Paveteer Prabakar and Hobie
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  Speaker 1: Brown Spider Punk as you might know him, to take
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  Speaker 1: on Spot, who is draining that universe's collider to increase
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  Speaker 1: his power. Spot escapes, but he leaves Miles with this
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  Speaker 1: vision of the death of his father Jeff, who had
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  Speaker 1: just been promoted to police captain. While Pavteer is saving
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  Speaker 1: his girlfriend, he sees her father, the police captain, in danger,
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  Speaker 1: but is unable to get to him in time without
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  Speaker 1: dropping his girlfriend, so Miles saves him instead. But Mumbaton
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  Speaker 1: starts to collapse because Miles has disrupted a quote cannon event.
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  Speaker 1: While some Spider People come to do damage control, Gwynn,
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  Speaker 1: Hoby and Miles go to the Society's headquarters on Miguel's world,
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  Speaker 1: Earth nine two eight, and it's this huge complex with
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of Spider people. Okay, so brief aside. I know
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  Speaker 1: I probably don't have to explain this because I've talked
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  Speaker 1: about it a million times on here, but cannon is
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  Speaker 1: something that is produced when accepted authentic author and in
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  Speaker 1: something like Marvel, it's even more than that. It is
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  Speaker 1: the current accepted properties storylines, works that are accepted as
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  Speaker 1: the quote real ongoing story as decided by whoever owns
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  Speaker 1: the property. In this case, it would be Marvel slash Disney,
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  Speaker 1: i e. Anything not canon would be something like Legends,
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  Speaker 1: which is what it's called in Star Wars, and no
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  Speaker 1: longer has any impact on the current canon, though a
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  Speaker 1: lot of crossover can be had there, which is very confusing,
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  Speaker 1: very very confusing. There is also head canon, which is
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  Speaker 1: like your own personal idea of what happened and you
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  Speaker 1: keep it to yourself, but that's just in your head,
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  Speaker 1: that's how it went. And then there's fanin, which is
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  Speaker 1: like when a bunch of head canons come together and
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  Speaker 1: make fanin. And that can be confusing because you think
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  Speaker 1: you hear it all the time because fans believe it.
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  Speaker 1: You think that it's canon, but it's fanin.
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  Speaker 2: That's a whole TikTok trend. Now I know, to make mistakes.
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  Speaker 3: It's essentially I think when people make mistakes or do
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  Speaker 3: something that's so common, but it's like they're gonna.
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  Speaker 2: Have to learn for themselves. It's just cannon. It took
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  Speaker 2: me a long time to be like what, Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 1: Kept seeing headlines about it. I assumed it was something
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  Speaker 1: like very silly, like this is my canon event and
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  Speaker 1: you stebbed a toe or something, But I know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It's essentially like every person, every fandom or every group
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  Speaker 3: of like growing into this age or doing this. I
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  Speaker 3: guess it could be like when I say my niece
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  Speaker 3: is gonna come to Atlanta. She'll learn for herself and
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  Speaker 3: then become more liberated. I guess in that way liberal.
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  Speaker 3: Uh huh, that's like that's canon that way interesting.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, listeners, let me know, because I yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what I assumed. Well, that's what it seems.
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  Speaker 1: You can have a lot of fun with it, I'll
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  Speaker 1: say that. So in this case of the movie, a
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  Speaker 1: cannon event would be something that has to happen, yes,
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  Speaker 1: because it is cannon. So Miles is reunited with his mentor,
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  Speaker 1: Peter B. Parker, and introduced to his daughter may Day
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  Speaker 1: or May, who Peter had in part because he wanted
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  Speaker 1: to raise a child like Miles. Miguel informs Miles that
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  Speaker 1: every Spider Man has a cannon event that cannot be
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  Speaker 1: changed without wrecking reality, usually the death of a loved one.
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  Speaker 1: After a tragedy in his own universe, Miguel attempted to
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  Speaker 1: replace another version of himself who is happy, but it
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  Speaker 1: led to that universe to collapse, and he did care
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  Speaker 1: about that version of his family, but they all kind
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  Speaker 1: of got wiped out. Miles realizes that his cannon event
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  Speaker 1: is coming in two days, the murder of his father
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  Speaker 1: by spot. He tries to escape to change it, but
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  Speaker 1: Miguel imprisons him. Later, Hoby helps break him out before
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  Speaker 1: jumping away in a portal, quitting the society. He's a
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  Speaker 1: very like fight the System, Fight the Man. I'm done
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  Speaker 1: and they have these handy dandy wristband portal jumping things,
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  Speaker 1: which is the gizmo from the end credits of the
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  Speaker 1: first one. Miguel orders all Spider People to stop Miles,
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  Speaker 1: resulting in a hectic chase where he tells Miles that
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  Speaker 1: he is a mistake, that without him his realities Peter
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  Speaker 1: Parker would still be alive, and that Spider was never
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  Speaker 1: supposed to bite him and the reality the Spider came
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  Speaker 1: from doesn't have a Spider Man. So Miles manages to
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  Speaker 1: get back to the Quote Get Home Machine with the
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  Speaker 1: help of Spider Bite also known as Margo, and this
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  Speaker 1: is a machine that uses DNA to send people to
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  Speaker 1: their home dimension. He returns to his home dimension after
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  Speaker 1: realizing that Gwenn and Peter b knew about all of this,
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  Speaker 1: and he feels very betrayed by that. He reveals that
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  Speaker 1: he is Spider Man to his mom, but she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: know who he's talking about, and then Uncle Aaron arrives
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  Speaker 1: and Miles realizes he is in the wrong reality. The
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  Speaker 1: reality of the Spider that bit him was from this reality,
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  Speaker 1: and it is the one that has no Spider Man,
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  Speaker 1: so you can see chaos outside. Aaron surprise attacks Miles,
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  Speaker 1: and when Miles wakes up, he's tied to a punching bag,
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  Speaker 1: which by the ways of running joke about Spider Man
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  Speaker 1: being a punching bag, and he learns in this universe
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  Speaker 1: Aaron isn't the Prowler Miles is. Meanwhile, Miguel kicks Gwynn
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  Speaker 1: out of the Spider Society and she returns to her
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  Speaker 1: universe to learn that her father quit his job. They
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  Speaker 1: reconcile and he gives her the Portal watch thing I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure there's official name, but you know that Hobie left
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  Speaker 1: for her. She uses it to go to Miles's universe
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  Speaker 1: intending to help him, only to learn he's not there.
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  Speaker 1: A team from the Society are there too, Miguel and
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  Speaker 1: Jess and Scarlet Spider who's like the really angsty emo
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  Speaker 1: Spider Man Gwenn and it puts together a team to
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  Speaker 1: help Miles, including Peter b Spider Noir, Spider Ham, Pabbeteer, Hobie, Margo,
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  Speaker 1: and may Day. And that's how it ends. Cliffhanger. So
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  Speaker 1: in this alternate universe, his dad Miles, his dad is
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  Speaker 1: dead and Aaron has survived. But that brings me to
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  Speaker 1: one of the things that of course kept popping up
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  Speaker 1: in my feed. The creators have said this is their
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  Speaker 1: version of the Empire strikes Back. It has the vision
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  Speaker 1: of losing a loved one, but it's inverted because it's
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  Speaker 1: so it's sort of like the reveal at the end
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  Speaker 1: is that, oh, I'm the villain and oh my dad
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  Speaker 1: is dead. Instead of Empire strikes Back, the reveal is, oh,
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  Speaker 1: my dad's the villain and he's a wife. Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But it has a bunch of like if again, if
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  Speaker 1: I was left to my d brothers, as the cool
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  Speaker 1: people say, I would just go into the and talk
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  Speaker 1: about hilarities. And the difference is, but one person pointed out,
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  Speaker 1: is actually more like Matrix Reloaded, because you get to
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  Speaker 1: the end of Matrix Reloaded and you realize, like this
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  Speaker 1: whole time, you thought you were fighting to do the
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  Speaker 1: right thing and do good, and there's this whole system
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  Speaker 1: in place that is keeping you from changing anything. So
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting. There's also a big a
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's theory is the right word,
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  Speaker 1: but a lot of people have pointed out that in
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  Speaker 1: the first one, when Miles and Spider Man first interact,
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  Speaker 1: Spider Man has like the red blue like spider tingle
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  Speaker 1: things happening, and Miles has purple and green and they
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  Speaker 1: kind of have like this headache moment. And some people
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  Speaker 1: have said he was supposed to be that world's Prowler
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  Speaker 1: because of the Spider from the other universe. Things went
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  Speaker 1: to differently, like.
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  Speaker 2: When a Gleren dies, he becomes the new Prowler. Is
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  Speaker 2: that what it's supposed to be.
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  Speaker 1: It's supposed to be. Yeah, like he was because he
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  Speaker 1: loved to sell Claren. Yeah, I was following in his footsteps,
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  Speaker 1: really wanted to do it. They haven't. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: the creators have said if they meant to do it
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  Speaker 1: or not, but it feels very They don't usually put
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  Speaker 1: anything in these movies without it meaning something, so which
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: leads us too the discussion. One of the big things
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: people have talked about is whether or not there's a
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: trans character in this movie, and so the reason people
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: are talking about that is because quote the film subtly
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: integrates additional affirmation for the transgender community, and Spider Gwynn,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: voiced by Hailey Steinfeld, prominently displaying pink and blue hues
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: symbolic of the transgender flag, while her father's police uniform
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: briefly reveals a badge adorned with the trans flag. And
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: so in Gwenn's world, it's very it's why color based.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: The colors are representative of her emotions and how she
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: feels at that moment, and most often they are the
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: colors of the trans flag, and the artists clearly know
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: what those colors are if they have a trans flag
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: featured in two different instances in her world. So the
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: art styles in these movies are very specific to each
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: character and they are meant to communicate something about that character.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Here's a quote from one of the creators about the
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: futuristic slash blade runner style that they use for Miguel's world,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: and you can see the lines on Miguel, like the
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: pencil is unfinished. It's kind of a cruel joke on Miguel,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: who's essentially asserting that the future is written. But the
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: image is constantly undermining his argument and saying, in fact,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: the future is not completely fleshed out. And here's a
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: quote from vox. Devotees have pointed out that the Spider
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Woman is literally Eg has a trans flag in her room,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: and symbolically EG experiences the allegory of coming out depicted
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: as a trans ally, if not trans herself. Gwen's possible
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: transness and even her allyship is a big deal.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: So from fan the green Casey quote, trans and even
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: SYS fans have every right to say Gwen Stacy is trans.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Even if the movies never outright confirment, we can't deny
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: that it's been hinted at. The fact is, if she
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: can make somebody feel represented, who are you to tell
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: them they're wrong. Fans also noticed that Gwenn's father, policeman
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: George Stacy, has a transgender flag that he wears on
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: his uniform. That's notable for a couple of reasons. One
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: of those is that in the real world, trans activists
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: have said that trans people, especially black transgender people, often
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: face discrimination from law enforcement. Said discrimination is a huge
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: reason why trans people don't feel comfortable asking police for help.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, and you see him wearing the flag after he
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: accepts her identity a spider woman and believes her because
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: she's continually telling him this and he doesn't leave her,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: indicating that he is an ally and some speculate that
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: he would only be an ally in the context of
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Gwenn's potential of being trans if he had a trans
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: family member. Then it made me happy because the Mark
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Hamill gift is going around again of when he says,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: if you believe Luke Skywalker is gay, he's gay. Yes,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: But that brings us to the question why not do
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: it out right? Countries censor LGBTQ plus content and studios
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: know it, and they are studios are primarily profit driven. Again,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: they are not allies. That's what we talked about in
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: our recent episode about what's happening and a bunch of
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: a bunch of these companies in the US, even with
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: this small mention, like I didn't even notice it the
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: first time this movie has been banned in two countries,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and yeah, that's what we talked about. With what's going
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: on with Target bud Light facing backlash. It's not an
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: excuse at all, but that is what they're thinking. And
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I will note the creators have kind of flat out
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: said that the Studio metals, they're kind of big sneaky
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: about it, but basically they were fired from solo. Oh.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you know that, but anyway, they were,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and they have said about that. I always remember the
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: original trilogy were independent movies. Yeah, something else before we
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: move on from Gwen Stacy. Gwinn Stacy, it's kind of
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: infamous for an example of fridging. It's not just that,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: but in Spider Man to the Amazing Spider Man two
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: there's that kind of like slow mow fall that she has.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: But that's based on the night Gwen Stacy died, which
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: is this very well known comic and when it came out,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: people were shocked and Marvel received death threats because she
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: was a popular character. People loved her and she died
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: because it was implied, it was very dark. It was
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: a like stark turn for their normal storytelling because the
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: implication was maybe he had killed her from the whiplash
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: of catching her and that's how she died. But it
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: started this whole thing called Gwen Stacy syndrome because because
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: that was it was such a popular plotline. Even though
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: people were pissed about it and they were heard about
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: it. It became like this iconic scene, and in every Spider
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Man movie, I'm pretty sure literally every Spider Man movie,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: there's some kind of reference of like somebody following and
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: you catch them with the web. It became known as
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Gwen Stacy syndrome, and it was kind of the start
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: of like, it's just not a safe to date be
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: a woman dating Spider Man. It doesn't matter if you're
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: just like a one off or like you've been dating
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: for a while, like you are not safe. So it's
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: this whole thing. I would love to come back and
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: talk about that more. And in this movie, Gwen Stacy
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: says in every other universe, Gwen Stacy falls for Spider Man,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: which kind of implies like love, but it also implies, yeah,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: a literal fall. Yes. But let us move on for
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: now to canon events and problems with fandom and cannon.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: We've talked about toxic fandom at length, but that's kind
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: of what's going on here. From the Verge. Here's a quote.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: It's an insidious, pernicious and this is especially important racist
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: idea that has thrived in segments of the Spider Man
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: fandom ever since Miles first appeared in Marvel's comics, and
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: the way across the Spider Verse subverts it to deepen
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Miles's lore is one of the movie's most spectacular feats.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: So they were saying the real villain is not Miguel
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: or the spot, it is this toxic fandom. When Miles,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: who is a teen of black and Puerto Rican descent,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: was introduced in twenty eleven, there was a huge backlash
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: as sort of like not my Spider Man thing that
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: was definitely soaked in racism going on, and this overall
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: idea that he wasn't as good as Peter Parker, that
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: he was not really Spider Man, which is at the
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: heart of the whole film of Miles being told he's
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: a mistake. If you weren't here, your universe of Spider
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Man would still be here. You're not supposed to be here,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: that he's the quote original anomaly that started this whole thing,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: and Miles saying I'm going to do things my own way.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: We don't have time to get into this. But also
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: when Miles was first introduced, he was not given a
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: lot of depth. That is not to excuse any racist
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: attacks at all, but it did improve like but that
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: says something too of people say like, well, you gave
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Peter Parker so much attention in time and depth, and
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: then you and produce this character and really didn't do it.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: But these movies have and games, the games too have
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: really given like fleshed out his character a lot more.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: There's the idea I saw a quote from one of
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the creators involved of like encountering this anger from fans,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: so that has to be the same story over and over,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: and if you deviate from that in any way, just
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: anger about it. And so on the movie, it's Miles
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: tampering with Cannon that makes Miguel angry, not the dimension
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: jumping villain that is like what really upsets him. And
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: then Canon getting to dictate who gets to be Spider
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Man when the message at the heart of these movies
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: is that anyone can be Spider Man. I also think
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: there's a moment of that's like examining bad Allyship at
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: the end with Gwenn and Peter b choosing to protect
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: the status quo over him, like, didn't they didn't tell
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: him anything about it. They were willing to like just
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: go ahead with this, and then realizing that they were wrong,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: and then you do have. People loved it, but Hobie's
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: whole fight the power vibe, this is wrong, we shouldn't
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: be doing it. It is also a coming of age
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: story for sure, realizing that things weren't what you thought
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: that they were, and identity growing up as a superhero,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: for sure. According it to Box's alex Abod Santos, who
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I have We've been quoting throughout across the Spider Verse
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: centralizes queer and trans imagery, symbolism, and allegories while creating
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: a Spider Man whose narrative identity operates with a lot
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: of components of a coming out story. So that's actually
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: from movie Web about the Vox article that we have.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: But yeah, like the whole idea of the fear of
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: telling your guardians, of being told you don't belong, his
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: mother's message of never let anyone tell you you don't
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: belong fits into all of this.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And the quote goes on Rio's worries about her
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: son mirror so many fears that parents of LGBTQ children have,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: mainly that family acceptance is the easy part, and it's
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: that not being able to protect them from the world
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: that they live in is much more difficult. She knows
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: he has a secret and she'll love him no matter what,
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: but she also knows that not everyone will accept her
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: son as much as she does.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: And yeah, that's from the box article.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And there are a lot of articles about
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: this about kind of the how queer people connect to
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: that idea of you have to hire this part of
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: yourself and being afraid to share it. So that's really interesting.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I think that's one of the reasons it resonates for
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: so many people too. Well, we have to talk about
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the animation a little bit. We want to rain myself in.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: But I would say, literally every frame, pause it it's
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: our I did it with the first one. It's really fun.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: There's so much going on. I remember a lot of
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: people were saying, oh, I'm so overstimulated after seeing it.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: And I saw it before. You and I went together
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: right on my second time, but my first time, I
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: was in the front row and I was like all
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: the way back like a played interurbulence.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean both of them.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: I was like, I because I saw have bad vision anyway,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: and then my contacts often get blurry, but but the
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: way it sets up, I adjusted my contacts a lot
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: realizing Oh no, that's just that's just the.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Way it is. It's my vision as I typically think.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: It is a lot like oh god, blinking, so many blinkings.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it is really cool, like all the different
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: styles and frame rates and how they interact. And it
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: is also, I will say, the longest ever animated film
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: produced by an American studio. And it is part it's
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: essentially part one of two. I mean, it's a trilogy,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: but I really feel like this one and the next
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: one are like a two parter. They said they tried
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: to put it all on one movie, but it just
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: was not happening. A fourteen year old did get hired
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: to animate the Lego scene. The creators saw it on YouTube,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: did not realize it was fourteen year old. They were
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: so impressed. They were like, all right.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: They have a major motion picture under their resume at fourteen,
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Like they are, They're done, They're ready, like they make
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: these movies.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. There have been some articles coming out lately,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: which is especially interesting because we're still in the midst
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: of the writer's strike, about some animators saying that this
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: was not sustainable, they can't keep working like this. In
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: the words of this person. The next movie, which is
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: supposed to come out in March, might not come out
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four at all because it is so much,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: and several of the animators quit. One called it death
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: by a thousand paper cuts because of the lack of
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: understanding by Lord, especially in this article. It was a
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: variety article about how three D animation works and late revisions,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: so essentially like, at a certain point you want to
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: be I can't just revise this at the end. It
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: has to happen a lot in the beginning. But it
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: was kind of the opposite of that, and apparently he
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: needed to get every sequence approved. But it was interesting
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: because they were talking about what they're talking about with
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the writers strike right now, and what we've talked about
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: and industries like this and like that, because they were saying,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: you know you do you want to work on something
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: that you love and they know that. And also if
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: you leave as an artist and someone else takes over
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: than your name, it's not yours anymore, especially if they
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: fix it at the end that revision. So they were
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: talking about like maybe we need to do something with
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: the union or something like that, So we'll see how
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: that plays out there is also to add more work
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: onto them. A woman led spinoff called Spider Woman in
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: the Mix. I don't know much about that yet. I
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: don't think they've really said much about it. And then
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of articles have also come out, and I've
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: made the argument that the success of these films shows
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: that people do want to see more diverse representation, that
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: it is more representative of all of us. Here's a
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: quote from NPR and North America. Exit tracking found that
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: the audience was about one third Latino and another third
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Black and Asian. Diversity percentage is far higher than for
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: most superhero films. And like, going back to the trans
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: the possibility of a trans character, Like so many people
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: were talking about that, and it's one of those things
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: like I'm really happy that's in there. That's a flag
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: that says protect trans kids in Enguin's room, but it's
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: also so frustrating that it's like those little scraps for
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: your like, ah representation. I mean, I'm super thrilled it's
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: in there, but it's also like we could get more.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: We could get more. And then because I have been
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: really good and I haven't gone too long, We're gonna
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: have a fun bit at the bottom, okay, which is
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: just some of my random Easter eggs.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: All right, okay, so just behind the curtain here I
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: saw the outro. I thought it was the end. There's
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: a whole full other page.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I didn't.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I was gonna cut it if we went too long.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: But we did, okay, So it was a surprise. This
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: whole recording has surprise.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I'm just I like to keep you on your toes.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: You I like you do. You're good. So a couple
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: of random Easter eggs. There is a I believe it's
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: a billboard that says all of it always all over
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: the place, and it's a bagel place, which is everything
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: everywhere all at once. For a love, there's a venom bit.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I love that Donald Gover does show it.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Donald Glover.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of there's a couple, not a
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: lot of folks at Marvel's as in the MCUs, because
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: soon this will be Marvel as well. Spider Man like
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Doctor Strange.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: And to.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, but I really want to go through a very
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: fun list. This is so minuscule. So Polygon has this
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: article where they identified like pretty much all of the
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Spider people, and some of them are so funny. But
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: please look up the article. I was cackling reading it,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: and I can't believe this is all real. But it
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: is so. All these quotes are from them. But I thought, Samantha,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: you and I could go back and forth with a
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: few of my favorite ones. Okay, let's start with jess Drew,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: a quote created in nineteen seventy six in a rush
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: to stop an animation studio from grabbing the trademark to
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: the Spider Woman name. Comic book. Jessica actually has no
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: real relation to either Peter Parker or Miles Morales, having
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: instead acquired her powers in a bewilderingly arcane origin involving hydra,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: her geneticist father, and possibly a talking cow. Spider versus
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Chess is thus a wholesale reinvention of the concept, though comics,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Chess did famously have a book in which she did
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: superhero stuff while pregnant, which she did in the movie Yes.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Hobby Brown, He was fun.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Hoby won the affection of fans by siding with people
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: against their corporate oppressors, leading the downtrodden masses against the establishment,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: and breaking his guitar over the head of the United
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: States President. I like it.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Also, he's very English punk.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: In the in the it's.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Like magazine cut out santamation.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: So good.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: It's so good, bombastic bag man. Peter Parker learned to
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: his horror that the black costume he had been wearing
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: was actually a symbiote alien from another planet. That left
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: him briefly without any costume to wear around town, but
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: longtime phrenemy Johnny Human Torch Storm lint to hand, giving
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Parker one of his own extra suits, a paper lunch
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: bag to put over his face, and a kick me
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: sign surreptitiously taped to his back for good measure. Oh
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: my gosh, I can't believe this is real.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Spider Cat, which, yeah, you said spider people earlier.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: There are a lot, a lot of them.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: He is a spider man and also a cat, the
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: typical coutterie of gamers from Earth nine nine to nine.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Spider Cat gained his powers through an encounter with one
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: of the mystical Spider Totems in an untold tale that
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: presumably makes as much sense as any other story involving
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: the mystical Spider Totems.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. It's a thing.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I spider Verse. But wow, okay, yes, listen to this one,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Teeter Tarker. Spider Rex is just because it's heterodactyl, so
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: maybe yeah, yeah, but it is spelled everybody p T
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: e t R p t A r k e R.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: But anyway, spider Rex a resident of the prehistoric world
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: of Earth sixty six Wildfowler t Rex Peter Darker had
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: a chance encounter with a spider filled meteorite, granting him
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: wondrous spider like powers. In an early battle against his
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: nemesis Nerana Soorman Uh, Tarker accidentally allowed a tree branch
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: to take the life of the villain, teaching him an
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