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- 0:03This is the Tech Transport cast. You'll go to podcast for the
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- 0:22Safaricom connects villages to cities, farmers to markets,
- 0:27mothers to children, hustlers to capital.
- 0:34It processes more money than most African central banks.
- 0:38It knows when you wake up, where you travel, how you pay, and who
- 0:43you trust. Safaricom is not just a company.
- 0:48Safaricom is infrastructure. And now it's for sale.
- 0:54In January 2026, quietly and deliberately, the Kenyan
- 0:59government made a move that could redefine ownership,
- 1:03sovereignty and economic power in the Republic. 15% one buyer,
- 1:11244 billion shillings and a nation divided.
- 1:17We have negotiated for the best price 34 shillings which is 24%
- 1:21higher and you can prove us wrong by telling us that we
- 1:27would be telling you that a premium to the public, to the
- 1:29other shareholders. Yeah, we can do that in our in
- 1:34house because I I have the director there, he's taking
- 1:37note. Vodacom has been a shareholder
- 1:41of Safari Com since its reception.
- 1:45So when you want to negotiate for someone else to buy your
- 1:48business, you are better off negotiating with an existing
- 1:52shareholder who understands the business.
- 1:56So if you get someone else from outside and they come, there are
- 2:00chances that they will disrupt the entire model of this
- 2:03business. Hello and welcome to the Tech
- 2:06Trans Podcast. I'm your host Pai Kamal, sitting
- 2:10in for Nixon Canali. Today we are unpacking the most
- 2:15consequential corporate decision of this decade, the government's
- 2:20plan to sell 15% of Safaricom to South Africa's Vodacom Group.
- 2:26This is not just about shares, it's about control, trust, and
- 2:31who owns Kenya's digital future. For millions of Kenyans,
- 2:36Safaricom isn't abstract, it's daily life.
- 2:42So let's slow down and look at what's actually on the table
- 2:47right now. Safaricom's ownership looks like
- 2:50this. Vodacom Group at 40%, the
- 2:54government of Kenya at 35% and the Kenyan public and
- 2:59institutions at 25%. And the proposal government
- 3:04sells 15%, dropping its stake to 20%.
- 3:09The price is 34 shillings per share.
- 3:13At 34 shillings that's 204.3 billion shillings and a 40.2
- 3:21billion shilling dividend advance and treasury walks away
- 3:25with 244.5 billion. But here is the pivot point.
- 3:31If this deal goes through, Vodacom Stakes rises to 55% for
- 3:37the first time since 2000. Safaricom becomes majority
- 3:41foreign owned. This isn't sheer stewardship
- 3:45anymore. This is control, so why sell
- 3:49these assets now? Kenyans public debt stands above
- 3:5311 trillion shillings. Debt servicing it's over 60% of
- 3:58government revenue. Treasury says the cupboard is
- 4:02bare. The government is framing this
- 4:05as strategy not panic. Treasury CS John Bundy calls it
- 4:11monetizing mature asset. The idea is simple use of fire
- 4:17come to and infrastructure that is roads, dams and rail without
- 4:22raising taxes or borrowing more. If you had to look at that
- 4:28reality, that means that at least at the point of starting,
- 4:3455% of that company is owned by foreigners or foreign investors.
- 4:38How does that do to the national psyche of people that have been
- 4:42saying we have this take here, how do you come the nerves of
- 4:45those that are saying how do you sell off a company fetching you
- 4:49up to 18 billion shillings per year?
- 4:51Yeah. First of all, I want to make it
- 4:54very clear that what we are doing is what we call unlocking
- 4:59value for a mature investment. The Safaricom PLC as an
- 5:05investment for the Republic of Kenya as it is today is a mature
- 5:11investment and that is what you can unlock.
- 5:14You can unlock the value and invest it in other productive
- 5:19ventures. And I will tell you for a fact
- 5:22some that this probably the right time to divest because
- 5:27again this company has is surviving on technology and
- 5:34digital technology advances and changes.
- 5:37Where we are is the 5G and of course the fiber.
- 5:42The the next stage is for fintech and expansion in the
- 5:47region. You need to free and unlock
- 5:51government investment in this company to be able to advance.
- 5:55But again, something else is that I don't know how much time
- 6:00this would take, but I will tell you for a fact that for us to be
- 6:04able to continue doing infrastructure projects in this
- 6:08country, you need to have capital, you need to have
- 6:14resources to do it. And presently you can do it in
- 6:18two ways. One is taxation.
- 6:19The other one is that now taxation, putting more hiking
- 6:24taxes is not an option, right? Going to more debt is not an
- 6:28option. Yet we have huge investment
- 6:31projects that we need to put money in to be able to realize
- 6:34economic growth that would create job opportunities to our
- 6:39country. Right now, you need to have more
- 6:41creative ways of raising funds and this is one of them.
- 6:45Now the other thing that I would also mention, it is not that the
- 6:48government of Kenya will now forgo, there's 16 or 18 billion.
- 6:54We will still get almost about 10 billion every year if we
- 6:57continue with the current rates of performance or dividend or
- 7:02profitability of Safaricom PLC. What you forgo is probably about
- 7:077 billion per year, which if we were to reason that way in
- 7:12straight line, we are receiving 200 billion today.
- 7:17How long will you receive that money at 7 billion shillings?
- 7:20If we were to take that simplistic arithmetic, it's
- 7:23about 30 years now depending on where you invest this money
- 7:27because I think the fear maybe Kenyans have here is that we are
- 7:32divesting in Safaricom 15%, getting this money and consuming
- 7:37it or putting it in budgetary support.
- 7:40That is not what we intend to do.
- 7:42What we intend to do is to productively use the resources
- 7:45that we are going to raise by divesting 15% in Safaricom and
- 7:50any other privatisation, put it in a national infrastructure
- 7:53fund, which then we would use to link the private sector and
- 7:57institutional investors with public investment or public
- 8:01infrastructure. But critics say the timing and
- 8:05the price don't add up. Member of Parliament for Kiharo,
- 8:09Din De Niro and others argue Safaricom is undervalued.
- 8:15The Government of Kenya is proposing to sell Safaricom PLC
- 8:19the 15% stake at 34 shillings. Kenya's need to know that
- 8:27Safaricom shares were trading at an average of 45 shillings in
- 8:332021, valuing Safaricom PLC at 1.8 trillion Kenya shillings in
- 8:402021. And of course that is before
- 8:44Safaricom even invested in Ethiopia, an investment that is
- 8:48actually becoming a very good decision for Safaricom.
- 8:53And what I just want to say that is that the people who are on
- 8:56the other side of the table in this negotiation of the sale and
- 9:02especially the people from the National Treasury, they are
- 9:05either self interested, incompetent or both.
- 9:10Ethiopia is nearing break even. Embassy keeps expanding, Cloud
- 9:15and fintech revenues are growing.
- 9:19They believe Safari com could be worth 70 to 80 shillings per
- 9:23share in a few years. So are we solving today's
- 9:26problem by selling tomorrow's prosperity?
- 9:30This isn't just a spreadsheet debate.
- 9:33It's about risk and trust. Now, Safaricom's Chief Executive
- 9:38Officer Peter Andagua says that the telecommunication company
- 9:42was not Privy to the mechanisms that were used to determine the
- 9:46share price in the plant sale of the 20% stake.
- 9:49While submitting his presentation to the Joint
- 9:51National Assembly Committees of Finance and Planning, as well as
- 9:55Public Debt and Privatization, the Safaricom boss told the
- 9:58committee that the changes in shareholding will not affect the
- 10:01company's operations, adding that the proposed transaction
- 10:05does not alter Safaricom's governance framework, regulatory
- 10:08oversight, or even the national jurisdiction.
- 10:12This year's Treasury has told us that before.
- 10:14Therefore, it's not very, it's not very bad.
- 10:17It looks good. What else do you think we should
- 10:21consider? So that we we read maximum we
- 10:24still need Treasury, National Treasury to come and clarify
- 10:29this kind of things because as as Quenya said to forgo 11
- 10:34billion, it is a lot of money. Do you think that if we follow
- 10:41this procedure, the price per share would achieve beyond 34
- 10:46shillings as currently negotiated with the government
- 10:49And if yes, why and if yes, by how much?
- 10:54The further government giving you that the worth shilling a
- 10:56share if it cost the market, it might be less than that or it
- 11:00might be more than that. Was was it not possible to allow
- 11:05the people of Kenya to just buy instead of giving a foreign
- 11:09company? As.
- 11:12Representing the company, we were not involved in determining
- 11:17or actually seeking to see what the right share price is because
- 11:23when 2 shareholders are having a transaction, you leave it to
- 11:26them to actually determine how they want to conclude a
- 11:30transaction. Safaricom is not just a telco.
- 11:34It is M pesa government payment, identity verification, health
- 11:41systems and security integrations.
- 11:44It's where the state meets the citizen digitally.
- 11:49Safaricom CEO Peter Ngua disagrees.
- 11:52He says Safaricom remains Kenyan in character, governed by Kenyan
- 11:57law, regulated locally, headquartered in Westlands.
- 12:02But ownership still matters at 55%.
- 12:06Vodacom control strategy, capital allocation and long term
- 12:11direction. Even with government veto
- 12:14rights, the center of gravity shifts outward.
- 12:19This isn't paranoia, it's power arithmetic.
- 12:23How? What is the certainty from your
- 12:26statement that the new boat which will be composed posted
- 12:30This reorganization will not change the business course, will
- 12:35not reorganize the innovation. There is proper legal
- 12:38infrastructure, there is safeguards for the process of
- 12:41this. There is no transfer of
- 12:44operational control, no dilution of regulatory authority and no
- 12:48weakening of governance standards arising from this
- 12:51transaction. But not everyone is celebrating.
- 12:55Safaricom dealers are sounding the alarm, warning that the
- 12:58Government's plans sale of its stake in the telecom giant could
- 13:01put thousands of small businesses at risk.
- 13:04Appearing before the National Assembly's Finance Committee
- 13:06today, the dealers called for a seat on the Safaricom board and
- 13:10stronger protections for their outlets, saying decisions made
- 13:13at the top could have direct consequences for employees,
- 13:16shopkeepers and families across the country.
- 13:22A number. Of the.
- 13:23Levels that are generated by Safaricom Kenyans of money
- 13:30whenever there. Is a bird, for example.
- 13:32Floated Kenyans somehow from somewhere.
- 13:39Get money. Why would you want to pay at a
- 13:41premium for an asset that we believe has a lower, I mean as
- 13:46the? True price which is below.
- 13:47Which? Is not.
- 13:48What is in the market? As we record this, Parliament is
- 13:51debating session of paper #3 of 2025.
- 13:55The High Court is weighing the Gachoka petition.
- 13:59This is no longer a boardroom decision.
- 14:01It's a national referendum in slow motion.
- 14:05This decision will shape how Kenya thinks about public
- 14:08assets, sovereignty and development for decades.
- 14:13Whatever happens next, one thing is clear.
- 14:16The Green Giant will never be the same way again.
- 14:19For the Tech Trans podcast, I'm Pai Kamau.
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- 14:58Trek Friends Media editorial team.
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