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- 0:00Speaker 1: I'm Chris Hansen right now on Crime Watch Daily from
- 0:02Speaker 1: here in New York City. You're watching a young woman's
- 0:13Speaker 1: last minute alive, fought on surveillance video.
- 0:17Speaker 2: It's just devastating when you can't keep them safe.
- 0:20Speaker 1: Twenty six year old Katie Jones mysteriously gunned down after
- 0:24Speaker 1: leaving a bar in a safe neighborhood.
- 0:27Speaker 3: The only clues are in this chilling video.
- 0:29Speaker 4: That car was the car that had her killer in it.
- 0:32Speaker 1: If it was a robbery gone bad, why wasn't anything stolen?
- 0:36Speaker 1: If it was a hit who wanted her dead? Crime
- 0:39Speaker 1: Watched Daily on the case in North Carolina.
- 0:41Speaker 5: Katie's death has been described as the perfect crime, no witnesses,
- 0:46Speaker 5: no suspects.
- 0:49Speaker 3: Then light step daughter fell down the stairs, heartbreaking, keep
- 0:53Speaker 3: their unconscious. Yeah, a beautiful baby girl gone. But did
- 0:57Speaker 3: she fall or was she beaten? Today?
- 1:00Speaker 6: Something very horrible happened to this little girl.
- 1:03Speaker 3: For her father's fiance convicted of murder.
- 1:06Speaker 7: Is it possible that you lost your temper?
- 1:09Speaker 8: Our?
- 1:09Speaker 1: Michelle Sagona goes behind bars for the very first interview
- 1:13Speaker 1: with Emily de Frieze.
- 1:15Speaker 3: Why she's pointing the finger at an eight year old?
- 1:18Speaker 8: It's not inconceivable.
- 1:21Speaker 9: Right now, let's go Jayson Matowa with Prime Watch Daily.
- 1:24Speaker 5: I'm Michel Sagona from Crimewatch Dailey, Yes.
- 1:27Speaker 8: Let's be smart from Crimewatch Daily.
- 1:29Speaker 2: It's Ana Garcia from Crime Watch Daily.
- 1:31Speaker 10: You got anything to say?
- 1:32Speaker 3: He is Crime Watch Daily.
- 1:34Speaker 2: What do you mean you don't know?
- 1:34Speaker 8: She's thirteen?
- 1:35Speaker 1: You're running away?
- 1:36Speaker 8: Now?
- 1:40Speaker 3: Welcome to Crime Watch Daily. I'm Chris Hansen.
- 1:42Speaker 1: First up today. Some people have called it the perfect murder.
- 1:46Speaker 1: No witnesses, no fingerprints, no boning. Michelle Sagona is in
- 1:49Speaker 1: North Carolina now with new details on the hunt to
- 1:52Speaker 1: find the person who killed Katie Jones. A young woman's
- 1:56Speaker 1: final moments are captured on surveillance video.
- 2:00Speaker 5: That camera got her walking down this sidewalk. At some point,
- 2:05Speaker 5: she's confronted correct.
- 2:08Speaker 1: In Charlotte police hoping to catch her killer to share
- 2:11Speaker 1: the video with only us, like.
- 2:13Speaker 7: It really looked like someone shot her and left.
- 2:20Speaker 1: It's midnight on Friday, at a bustling bar in the
- 2:22Speaker 1: college town of Charlotte, North Carolina. A couple of hours later,
- 2:26Speaker 1: after last call, twenty six year old Katie Jones and
- 2:29Speaker 1: her friends leave the bar.
- 2:31Speaker 7: What kind of a person was she?
- 2:33Speaker 4: Her just energy and her charisma. She just it was
- 2:38Speaker 4: disarming and overwhelming and very spontaneous and spunky.
- 2:44Speaker 3: So when her friends offer this free spirit or.
- 2:47Speaker 2: Ride home, she said no, She's like, are you crazy?
- 2:49Speaker 2: This is one of the last warm nights of the year.
- 2:51Speaker 2: I'm not missing this. I mean she loved walk.
- 2:54Speaker 7: Did Katie walk home alone at night frequently? Yeah? Like
- 2:58Speaker 7: every night?
- 3:00Speaker 1: But Katie's mother says there was no reason for her
- 3:03Speaker 1: daughter to feel worried about walking home. After all, it
- 3:06Speaker 1: was a busy weekend night in this very safe college town.
- 3:10Speaker 2: There were plenty of lights, plenty of people around. It
- 3:14Speaker 2: wasn't something that she would have had any reason to fear.
- 3:17Speaker 2: She'd been doing it for five years.
- 3:19Speaker 7: How far is the walk about a mile?
- 3:22Speaker 1: And during her walk home, Katie is posting NonStop photos
- 3:26Speaker 1: to friends.
- 3:27Speaker 11: She was communicating with her friends on her walk home,
- 3:31Speaker 11: taking photos of landmarks along her walk on Central Avenue
- 3:35Speaker 11: and sending them out on a Facebook chat that had
- 3:38Speaker 11: a group of people from work in it. Her text
- 3:41Speaker 11: messages seemed very normal, no concern or.
- 3:47Speaker 1: Distress, and according to her friends on the chat, Katie
- 3:52Speaker 1: appears to be dancing and singing.
- 3:55Speaker 2: She was dancing all the way.
- 3:57Speaker 7: She appeared to be happy and joe and was skipping along.
- 4:02Speaker 1: Is that right, yes, dancing and skipping towards her death.
- 4:06Speaker 1: As soon as she turns the.
- 4:08Speaker 3: Corner she was shot.
- 4:11Speaker 7: Where was she struck?
- 4:12Speaker 2: She was struck through the side. It actually punctured her
- 4:16Speaker 2: heart and her lung through the side.
- 4:20Speaker 1: A resident walking his dog believes someone is setting off
- 4:24Speaker 1: fireworks in the parking lot of a nearby.
- 4:26Speaker 2: Business, so he walked down there to see what was
- 4:30Speaker 2: going on, and then he saw her laying there.
- 4:34Speaker 1: And even though the good Samaritan neighbor found her within
- 4:37Speaker 1: minutes of the shooting and called nine one one, it
- 4:39Speaker 1: was still too late.
- 4:41Speaker 2: She was already gone.
- 4:42Speaker 7: She was already gone.
- 4:46Speaker 1: Katie's mother had just spoken to her daughter three days
- 4:49Speaker 1: before the fatal shooting. It had made plans to see
- 4:52Speaker 1: each other in two weeks.
- 4:54Speaker 2: It's just devastating when you can't keep them safe. There's
- 4:58Speaker 2: nothing you can do. It's done your chance to keep
- 5:01Speaker 2: them protected. It moved to the safety is over you field.
- 5:07Speaker 3: Right away.
- 5:07Speaker 1: Cops canvas the area and interview neighbors and friends of
- 5:11Speaker 1: the beloved twenty six year old.
- 5:13Speaker 5: Were you able to uncover anyone who had any issues
- 5:17Speaker 5: with Katie.
- 5:18Speaker 11: No, everyone loved Katie.
- 5:21Speaker 1: Investigators appear to hit a dead end. Then they discover
- 5:25Speaker 1: surveillance video from a building directly across from where the
- 5:28Speaker 1: shooting occurred.
- 5:30Speaker 3: Could there be evidence on the video that could point
- 5:32Speaker 3: them to Katie's killer coming up?
- 5:37Speaker 7: Katie's death has been described as the perfect crime. No witnesses,
- 5:41Speaker 7: no suspects.
- 5:43Speaker 11: There are no witnesses who have come forward. That doesn't
- 5:45Speaker 11: mean that there are no witnesses.
- 5:48Speaker 3: Police get a big break in the case. They are
- 5:50Speaker 3: sharing only with us.
- 5:52Speaker 7: You have some video of Katie prior to the shooting, Yes, but.
- 5:57Speaker 1: The surveillance video doesn't just capture Katie. It also reveals
- 6:01Speaker 1: something else.
- 6:02Speaker 4: That car was the car that had her killer in him.
- 6:07Speaker 3: It was an ordinary night.
- 6:09Speaker 1: Waitress Katie Jones had finished her shift at a popular
- 6:12Speaker 1: restaurant in Charlotte, North Carolina. However, as she walked home
- 6:16Speaker 1: in the early morning hours, the twenty six year old
- 6:18Speaker 1: would be targeted for death. Twenty six year old Katy
- 6:23Speaker 1: Jones has been shot to death just a couple streets
- 6:25Speaker 1: away from her Charlotte, North Carolina home.
- 6:28Speaker 2: I still can't imagine what I'm going through and I
- 6:31Speaker 2: keep looking for something that I'm missing and I can't
- 6:34Speaker 2: find it.
- 6:36Speaker 1: She was a big presence, a presence now gone, leaving
- 6:42Speaker 1: so many unanswered questions.
- 6:45Speaker 7: Who do you think could have done this to her?
- 6:47Speaker 2: I think, like, realistically, it could have literally been anyone.
- 6:51Speaker 3: Following the shooting, police conduct dozens of interviews.
- 6:54Speaker 11: We have interviewed pretty much anybody who was close to Katie,
- 6:59Speaker 11: either at that point in time or leading up to
- 7:02Speaker 11: that point in time. But unfortunately, it hasn't given us
- 7:07Speaker 11: any actionable leads at this point, it hasn't materialized into
- 7:09Speaker 11: anything yet correct.
- 7:12Speaker 1: The investigation appears to stall, then cops catch or break,
- 7:16Speaker 1: kicking the case back into high gear with the discovery
- 7:19Speaker 1: of surveillance video. The explosive video evidence shows Katie walking
- 7:24Speaker 1: home following drinks with some restaurant coworkers on the night
- 7:28Speaker 1: she was gunned down.
- 7:30Speaker 7: That camera got her walking down this sidewalk.
- 7:34Speaker 8: Correct.
- 7:37Speaker 1: Now, Charlotte Police are asking for the public's help by releasing.
- 7:40Speaker 3: The footage for the very first time to crime watch.
- 7:43Speaker 5: Daily surveillance cameras or cameras in the area. There was
- 7:47Speaker 5: one correct, any more than one or just the one shot.
- 7:52Speaker 11: There are cameras all around here, but the only one
- 7:55Speaker 11: that caught anything relevance of this case is going to
- 7:58Speaker 11: be the one across the street.
- 8:00Speaker 1: There. Frame by frame, the video documents Katie's final moments
- 8:05Speaker 1: in the early morning hours of October fifteenth, twenty sixteen.
- 8:11Speaker 1: It's two forty am when Katie first comes into view
- 8:14Speaker 1: of the camera's lens. She's captured walking down Central Avenue
- 8:17Speaker 1: in an area in Charlotte known as Plaza Midwood.
- 8:21Speaker 5: She comes from there, she walks down, she makes a left.
- 8:25Speaker 1: A left onto the Plaza headed towards Hammerton Place. Little
- 8:30Speaker 1: does Katie know she's got less than a minute to lift.
- 8:35Speaker 11: On the video, she disappears into the shadows of the
- 8:37Speaker 11: trees and the house right there.
- 8:40Speaker 3: And while at this.
- 8:40Speaker 1: Point on the video Katie is out of sight, at
- 8:43Speaker 1: the same time, something else comes into focus.
- 8:47Speaker 11: You can see headlights from a vehicle appear in the
- 8:49Speaker 11: screen for a very very brief moment.
- 8:54Speaker 1: That's right, a mystery car appear is to pull right
- 8:57Speaker 1: next to the parking lot driveway where Katie's buy is
- 9:00Speaker 1: later discovered.
- 9:02Speaker 5: Is it to the driveway entrance, yes, where this happens. Yes,
- 9:06Speaker 5: And what you know is that there's definitely a vehicle
- 9:09Speaker 5: that comes down this street.
- 9:10Speaker 11: Right, correct, It approaches from this direction.
- 9:13Speaker 5: From this direction, yes, so the vehicle's coming from this
- 9:16Speaker 5: direction and then out yes.
- 9:18Speaker 7: And then where was she shot in this area?
- 9:22Speaker 11: So she was located right around this area.
- 9:27Speaker 7: Do you believe the gunman was in that vehicle?
- 9:31Speaker 1: I think so, yes, But Detective Eisenhower doesn't believe it's
- 9:37Speaker 1: a drive by shooting.
- 9:38Speaker 11: Personally, I think somebody get out of the car and
- 9:41Speaker 11: approached her for her to be this far over from
- 9:44Speaker 11: the sidewalk corse as originally.
- 9:46Speaker 3: Was, and there's something else.
- 9:48Speaker 11: I think it was a complete surprise to her. Based
- 9:51Speaker 11: on that video, it doesn't really appear that she would
- 9:54Speaker 11: have had time to defend herself.
- 9:56Speaker 1: And if she had the chance to defend herself, her
- 9:58Speaker 1: friends say she would have done just that.
- 10:01Speaker 4: She clearly knew what she was doing. She had pink
- 10:05Speaker 4: pepper spray with her at all times, and.
- 10:07Speaker 5: She had her phone yep, and she would yell or
- 10:11Speaker 5: if she had the opportunity to.
- 10:14Speaker 1: So, if not a drive by, could Katie's shooting be
- 10:17Speaker 1: the result of a robbery gone bad?
- 10:19Speaker 3: In recent years, Charlotte's Robbery.
- 10:21Speaker 1: Unit has seen a spike in targeting late night restaurants
- 10:25Speaker 1: and their employees. And on the night Katie was killed,
- 10:28Speaker 1: she was on her way home from an afterward hangout
- 10:31Speaker 1: with some fellow restaurant coworkers.
- 10:33Speaker 7: Was there anything taken from her, not.
- 10:35Speaker 8: That we could tell.
- 10:37Speaker 1: In fact, Katie's phone was found in her back pocket,
- 10:40Speaker 1: her purse with money still inside it, lying next to her.
- 10:44Speaker 7: It didn't make sense.
- 10:45Speaker 2: Nothing was missing on her body like it really looked
- 10:48Speaker 2: like someone shot her and left.
- 10:50Speaker 1: But police believe it still could have been an attempted robbery,
- 10:54Speaker 1: and they have a theory as to why nothing was taken.
- 10:57Speaker 1: Take another look at the surveillance video two am. The
- 11:01Speaker 1: headlights of the suspected shooter's car appear right next to
- 11:04Speaker 1: where Katy would have been walking. Then, just twenty one
- 11:08Speaker 1: seconds later, the driver appears to slam the car in
- 11:11Speaker 1: reverse and abruptly backs up.
- 11:13Speaker 5: But why so the shot or the shots that were
- 11:17Speaker 5: fired were so loud that this alarm sounded.
- 11:21Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, the gunfire sets off the nearby businesses
- 11:26Speaker 1: alarm system. Couldn't be the shooter got spooked and didn't
- 11:30Speaker 1: have enough time to rob Katie, so.
- 11:33Speaker 5: This alarm sounding there's gunfire erupting and she's basically right
- 11:38Speaker 5: here on the ground correct.
- 11:41Speaker 1: Then seconds after backing up, what appears to be the
- 11:44Speaker 1: same car comes back into view and races from the scene,
- 11:47Speaker 1: then out of camera. Rang cops haven't been able to
- 11:50Speaker 1: confirm if it's the killer's car. We've slowed down and
- 11:55Speaker 1: blown up the video. Look right here, you can actually
- 11:58Speaker 1: see the light colored sedan just before it drives out
- 12:01Speaker 1: of France. In real time, the suspects car races by
- 12:05Speaker 1: in a flash. The murder went down in about thirty seconds,
- 12:10Speaker 1: but police believe the cold blooded killing was so attention
- 12:13Speaker 1: grabbing that someone had to have seen or heard something
- 12:17Speaker 1: that terrible night.
- 12:18Speaker 11: It doesn't mean that there is no one out there
- 12:20Speaker 11: who has information to provide. It's just a lot of
- 12:23Speaker 11: time's people with that information are reluctant to come and
- 12:28Speaker 11: share it with the police. We need someone with direct
- 12:30Speaker 11: information or even indirect information at this point to come
- 12:34Speaker 11: and talk to us and provide us with that path
- 12:37Speaker 11: that we need to go down.
- 12:40Speaker 1: And according to the video, there were plenty of potential
- 12:43Speaker 1: eyewitnesses around two forty one am when the mystery car
- 12:47Speaker 1: pulls up, and police.
- 12:48Speaker 3: Believe Katy was gonned down.
- 12:50Speaker 1: Five cars drive by, and if you look closely, there's
- 12:54Speaker 1: one car, a red MIDSI sedan that appears to drive
- 12:57Speaker 1: right by the killer's car when the shooting was actually
- 13:00Speaker 1: taking place. Detective Eisenhower says they were unable to identify.
- 13:05Speaker 3: The make or model of that red car.
- 13:07Speaker 1: And if you have to speak with the person behind
- 13:09Speaker 1: the wheel or any passengers who may have been inside
- 13:13Speaker 1: and get this. During the next five minutes from the
- 13:15Speaker 1: time Katie is shot to when the first responders arrived,
- 13:19Speaker 1: seventeen more cars drive by the crime scene. That's a
- 13:22Speaker 1: total of twenty two cars and twenty two chances that
- 13:26Speaker 1: someone saw something.
- 13:28Speaker 11: There has been many, many hours, weeks, months of time
- 13:34Speaker 11: and effort that's been put into working this case, following
- 13:36Speaker 11: up on information that has come in either by phone
- 13:40Speaker 11: or email. Just there's been a lot of time put
- 13:44Speaker 11: into this case.
- 13:45Speaker 7: And this is not considered cold now. This is an
- 13:48Speaker 7: open case at open investigation, yes, ma'am.
- 13:51Speaker 1: So, if you were in the area of the Plaza
- 13:54Speaker 1: and Central Avenue during the early morning hours of October fifteenth,
- 13:57Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, police want to hear from you, what.
- 14:02Speaker 5: Would you tell that person who maybe hasn't had the
- 14:04Speaker 5: courage or the strength to call you.
- 14:06Speaker 11: I would ask them, what if it was their family,
- 14:08Speaker 11: what if it was their sister, their mom, the girlfriend
- 14:12Speaker 11: walking home in the middle of the night. They would
- 14:14Speaker 11: want someone to come forward to share that information.
- 14:17Speaker 2: I want the answers. I want justice for her. She
- 14:20Speaker 2: doesn't deserve to go into death not being known what happened.
- 14:26Speaker 2: Her story is not finished. It needs to be finished.
- 14:31Speaker 1: But until Katie's friends and family get answers about her death,
- 14:34Speaker 1: they are determined to focus on her life by creating
- 14:38Speaker 1: a scholarship of the Arts in her name at the
- 14:40Speaker 1: University of North Carolina.
- 14:42Speaker 4: Charlotte students in the area that wanted to pursue theater
- 14:46Speaker 4: or singing or art, or any of the things that
- 14:49Speaker 4: Katie was passionate about. Ultimately, there is now an endowed
- 14:52Speaker 4: scholarship that will live on in perpetuity, that will be
- 14:56Speaker 4: awarded every year.
- 14:57Speaker 7: Katie will not only live on in all of you,
- 14:59Speaker 7: but now in strangers.
- 15:01Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, it is a beautiful silver lining.
- 15:07Speaker 1: Someone must know who pulled the trigger that night, and
- 15:10Speaker 1: it's time for you to come forward. Anyone with information
- 15:13Speaker 1: is asked to call the Charlotte Crime stoppers at one
- 15:16Speaker 1: seven O four three three four sixteen hundred.
- 15:18Speaker 3: There's a reward of up to five thousand dollars in
- 15:21Speaker 3: the case.
- 15:23Speaker 1: Up next, a toddler takes a deadly tumble down the stairs.
- 15:27Speaker 3: A cops say something more sinister was at play, so.
- 15:30Speaker 1: You understand the fact of her hit is smashed it
- 15:33Speaker 1: her father's fiance convicted of the little girl's murder, who
- 15:37Speaker 1: she says is the real killer. Now, Emily DeFries gives
- 15:41Speaker 1: her first and only TV interview from behind Bars with
- 15:45Speaker 1: bombshell claims.
- 15:46Speaker 8: I know that there's someone in that house other than
- 15:49Speaker 8: myself who is capable of causing each and every one
- 15:52Speaker 8: of those juries.
- 15:55Speaker 1: Next time, Today we conclude our week long series on
- 16:00Speaker 1: bad parents, each one more disturbing than the next. And
- 16:03Speaker 1: today we've got a former military mom convicted of the
- 16:06Speaker 1: unthinkable murdering her fiance's twenty month old daughter.
- 16:10Speaker 3: But did she really do it?
- 16:12Speaker 1: Right now, Emily de Friese is telling all from behind
- 16:14Speaker 1: Bars tour Michelle Sagona Chris.
- 16:17Speaker 5: Even though a jury found her guilty of this terrible crime,
- 16:20Speaker 5: Defrieze continues to insist she's innocent. And now, for the
- 16:24Speaker 5: first time since her conviction. She's sitting down to tell
- 16:28Speaker 5: us her side of the story.
- 16:32Speaker 8: Off of that, won't wish your emergency nice stepdaughter fell
- 16:35Speaker 8: down the stairs, terrifying.
- 16:38Speaker 4: She's still unconscious.
- 16:40Speaker 12: Yeah, I don't know.
- 16:42Speaker 1: If he's really anymore.
- 16:44Speaker 12: Heart wrenching. These are the last moments of a little
- 16:50Speaker 12: girl's life. A toddler less than two years old found
- 16:55Speaker 12: bruised and battered at the bottom of a thirteen foot staircase.
- 16:59Speaker 12: An accident or a hidden rage that led to homicide.
- 17:04Speaker 12: A jury here's the heartbreaking evidence and puts her father's
- 17:08Speaker 12: fiance behind bars. But did they get it right?
- 17:13Speaker 8: I'm ready to fight. I'm ready to get the truth out.
- 17:17Speaker 12: This sweet little baby is Annabelle go Anna go Annah,
- 17:21Speaker 12: twenty months old, just learning to talk, just learning to walk.
- 17:26Speaker 12: No one could ever guess that her life would be
- 17:29Speaker 12: cut so short. Anna's mom, Heather, and her dad, Brandon Bell,
- 17:33Speaker 12: are both Navy stationed in Norfolk, Virginia. They're divorced, sharing
- 17:38Speaker 12: custody of Anna and her eight year old sister. But
- 17:41Speaker 12: Brandon's tour of duty as a single dad would end
- 17:45Speaker 12: when he falls for Emily to freeze ex navy single
- 17:48Speaker 12: mother whom he meets online. They seem to be made
- 17:52Speaker 12: for each other.
- 17:53Speaker 8: I saw his profile and saw that he had children.
- 17:56Speaker 8: He was in the military, so he completely under stand
- 18:00Speaker 8: my lifestyle of staying at home a lot, going to
- 18:05Speaker 8: the park, doing stuff with the kids.
- 18:08Speaker 12: Within a few months, Emily and her son Kerk move
- 18:11Speaker 12: in with Brandon and his daughters.
- 18:13Speaker 8: It was a great fit right from the start. His
- 18:16Speaker 8: children and my son seemed to mesh perfectly. The gentle
- 18:21Speaker 8: nice It actually took some pressure off me. I wasn't
- 18:26Speaker 8: the playmate anymore, so it actually made things a little
- 18:29Speaker 8: bit easier to have them play with each other.
- 18:32Speaker 12: But not everyone was thrilled with the new arrangements.
- 18:36Speaker 8: Before I had even met Brandon's children, he had kind
- 18:40Speaker 8: of warned me that his older daughter would have explosive tantrums.
- 18:45Speaker 8: She would lash out. There were times when it turned
- 18:50Speaker 8: towards me, and she physically had slammed me into a
- 18:54Speaker 8: wall before she was big enough to move me.
- 19:00Speaker 12: By the concerns, Brandon moves forward with his plans for
- 19:03Speaker 12: a new family. At a Navy party on Saturday, May seventeenth,
- 19:07Speaker 12: he makes a surprise announcement.
- 19:09Speaker 8: He took the mic and called me up and proposed
- 19:14Speaker 8: to me.
- 19:15Speaker 12: So this was a happy occasion very much, but not
- 19:19Speaker 12: for Anna's older sister.
- 19:21Speaker 8: She made it very clear on the car ride home
- 19:23Speaker 8: that she was not happy about us getting engaged. I
- 19:28Speaker 8: tried to speak with her and let her know that
- 19:31Speaker 8: Kerk and I coming into her family was not going
- 19:34Speaker 8: to push her out, that her dad still loved her
- 19:39Speaker 8: just as much as he always had.
- 19:41Speaker 12: But the afterglow of the engagement wouldn't last even a day.
- 19:46Speaker 12: The next morning, Brandon leaves early for work. Emily is
- 19:49Speaker 12: alone with the three children.
- 19:51Speaker 8: We didn't have anywhere to go, We had no pressures
- 19:56Speaker 8: on us. That morning, it seemed like things had been
- 19:59Speaker 8: going fairly smoothly.
- 20:02Speaker 12: Text messages between Emily and Brandon show everything's under control
- 20:06Speaker 12: at home. She writes, got the kids watching Curious George
- 20:10Speaker 12: and I'm doing my unemployment claim. Brandon responds, good, Curious
- 20:15Speaker 12: George is a kid magnet. Late in the day, Emily
- 20:19Speaker 12: tends to her toddler son and Anna's eight year old
- 20:22Speaker 12: sister in the backyard. Emily texts Brandon saying Anna was
- 20:26Speaker 12: taking an extended afternoon nap upstairs.
- 20:29Speaker 7: How long had she been sleeping at that point?
- 20:31Speaker 8: I'm not sure. I don't know exactly what time she
- 20:34Speaker 8: went down.
- 20:35Speaker 12: At five thirty pm, Emily says she went inside to
- 20:38Speaker 12: check on Anna and came face to face with every
- 20:42Speaker 12: parent's nightmare.
- 20:44Speaker 8: As soon as I walked in and my eyes addressed
- 20:48Speaker 8: to it being darker, I saw her at the bottom
- 20:51Speaker 8: of the stairs. I ran over and she looked like
- 20:55Speaker 8: her color wasn't good.
- 20:56Speaker 12: Emily can be heard in this frantic nine to one
- 20:59Speaker 12: one call.
- 21:00Speaker 8: She's still unconscious. Yeah, I do, she continued breathing. I
- 21:08Speaker 8: did CPR with a nine on one operator until the
- 21:12Speaker 8: EMTs got there.
- 21:15Speaker 12: Hours later at the hospital and his panicked mom had
- 21:18Speaker 12: the races into devastating news.
- 21:21Speaker 10: Doctor sat down and she said Anna didn't make it.
- 21:25Speaker 10: That's when I was like what, And I like fell
- 21:29Speaker 10: down off my chair.
- 21:32Speaker 7: In the er.
- 21:33Speaker 12: The heartbroken mom sees something no parent should ever witnessed.
- 21:38Speaker 10: Anna she was I could remember how she was laying.
- 21:43Speaker 10: Her head was like this way, and she had a
- 21:45Speaker 10: tube in her mouth, and she had a bruise on
- 21:47Speaker 10: her forehead and she won't wake up. So I don't know.
- 21:53Speaker 10: I only got to spend like five minutes. I should
- 21:55Speaker 10: have spent longer. But she went there obviously.
- 21:59Speaker 12: The next day, an autop seat and shock. The injuries
- 22:03Speaker 12: are consistent with a fall, but results shows something much
- 22:06Speaker 12: more sinister happened here. This wasn't a toddler's innocent tumble
- 22:11Speaker 12: down the stairs.
- 22:13Speaker 6: Something very horrible happened to this little.
- 22:16Speaker 12: Girl coming up. Emily the Frieze is on the hot seat.
- 22:21Speaker 12: Police force her to answer the tough questions, but she
- 22:24Speaker 12: shocks the cops, pointing the finger at the one person
- 22:28Speaker 12: you would never suspect.
- 22:30Speaker 8: I know that there is someone in that house other
- 22:32Speaker 8: than myself who is capable of causing each and every
- 22:36Speaker 8: one of those injuries.
- 22:40Speaker 3: It's an interview you will only see on Crime Watch Daily.
- 22:43Speaker 1: Emily de Frieze a Virginia mother convicted of killing her
- 22:46Speaker 1: fiance's daughter. Today she's telling Armichelsea gonna know why she's
- 22:50Speaker 1: pointing the finger at an eight year old girl.
- 22:54Speaker 12: Not even two years old. Little Annabelle is lying lifeless
- 22:58Speaker 12: at the bottom of the stairs.
- 23:00Speaker 1: Enough of them, won't wish your emergency nice steps on
- 23:03Speaker 1: her heel down the stairs, her father's fiance.
- 23:06Speaker 12: Emily de Frieze claims she discovered Anna after the toddler
- 23:11Speaker 12: accidentally took a terrible tumble, but CoP's claim this was
- 23:15Speaker 12: no accident. They're about to charge Emily de Frieze with murder.
- 23:19Speaker 10: The mental examiner lost count of how many bruises Anna
- 23:22Speaker 10: had on her back. She had a skull fracture over
- 23:24Speaker 10: four inches long that came to a tee. She had
- 23:27Speaker 10: hemorrhaging in her eyes. She had bruising in her stomach
- 23:32Speaker 10: for being pushed down. She had bruises around her neck.
- 23:34Speaker 7: She went through Hell.
- 23:36Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 23:37Speaker 12: Emily de Frieze was the only adult home when Anna
- 23:40Speaker 12: was killed, but claims she didn't see anything.
- 23:43Speaker 8: I didn't see those injuries occur.
- 23:45Speaker 12: I don't know what happened, but cops think they do.
- 23:50Speaker 12: Emily just became engaged to Anna's father the night before.
- 23:53Speaker 12: She wanted to focus on wedding plans, but Anna wouldn't
- 23:57Speaker 12: take her nap, and prosecutors say the upon went too far,
- 24:01Speaker 12: claiming Emily shook Anna and smashed her head against the
- 24:05Speaker 12: floor or wall, then placed her at the bottom of
- 24:08Speaker 12: the stairs to stage to cover up.
- 24:10Speaker 1: Do you understand the back of her head, It smashed it.
- 24:13Speaker 8: They confronted me very aggressively that day and told me
- 24:20Speaker 8: that I was a murderer. That I had done this,
- 24:24Speaker 8: that they knew I had done this. There was no
- 24:26Speaker 8: other explanation.
- 24:27Speaker 11: Anna did not walk to the top of these stairs,
- 24:29Speaker 11: and Anna did not fall You placed.
- 24:31Speaker 13: For the un on those stairs.
- 24:33Speaker 8: No, I did not, Yes she did.
- 24:35Speaker 5: No I did not, Yes she did.
- 24:37Speaker 8: They didn't want to hear anything other than that. I
- 24:41Speaker 8: wasn't able to really explain anything or tell them that
- 24:48Speaker 8: that wasn't true.
- 24:50Speaker 5: I loved my life.
- 24:51Speaker 1: There was nothing had fool to them.
- 24:53Speaker 8: And you know what, as a mother myself that had
- 24:56Speaker 8: little ones at home, it can get overwhelming.
- 25:00Speaker 5: I love it, and when they come with.
- 25:04Speaker 10: It, it's time for the lads to stop.
- 25:07Speaker 7: There's nothing that I am like.
- 25:11Speaker 12: Even under the hot glare of police interrogation, Emily sticks
- 25:15Speaker 12: to her story.
- 25:16Speaker 7: Were you offered a plea at any point?
- 25:18Speaker 8: Yes?
- 25:19Speaker 7: Why did he take the play?
- 25:20Speaker 8: I'm not going to plead guilty, just something I did
- 25:23Speaker 8: not do.
- 25:24Speaker 12: But Emily's grilling doesn't end with the police. In her
- 25:28Speaker 12: trial or second degree murder, the prosecution hammers at Emily's
- 25:32Speaker 12: statements and testimony, and his mom says Emily's story seemed
- 25:36Speaker 12: to change every time she told it.
- 25:39Speaker 10: I mean, come on now, First, she fell down the stairs. Oh,
- 25:43Speaker 10: autopsy results came back. Now I have that piece of information.
- 25:46Speaker 10: Let me change my story because I need to get
- 25:48Speaker 10: out of jail.
- 25:51Speaker 12: Emily's defense attorney, James BROOKLETTI says the case is purely circumstantial.
- 25:56Speaker 9: They didn't know when, they didn't know how, they didn't
- 25:59Speaker 9: know where, and we thought that was very suggestive of
- 26:02Speaker 9: the fact that they didn't.
- 26:03Speaker 12: Know who, but they did know how appalling the killing was.
- 26:07Speaker 12: Medical experts testified that baby Anna was quote struck repeatedly,
- 26:13Speaker 12: blood infused, her brain from shaking and slamming, her little
- 26:17Speaker 12: arm dislocated from a pulling or twisting force, and the
- 26:20Speaker 12: killing blow a smashed skull from blunt force trauma against
- 26:25Speaker 12: a hard object. The brutality shocks even the prosecution's medical expert,
- 26:29Speaker 12: who testified, quote, you need a lot of force to
- 26:33Speaker 12: break a kid's skull. A lot. I don't know exactly.
- 26:36Speaker 12: I hope nobody knows exactly how much.
- 26:40Speaker 7: For the record, did you kill Anna?
- 26:43Speaker 8: No, I've never reacted with violence to anything in my
- 26:53Speaker 8: entire life. I didn't start that day.
- 26:57Speaker 12: But Emily was the only one home with the strength
- 27:00Speaker 12: to commit the crime.
- 27:02Speaker 5: Or was she?
- 27:03Speaker 8: I know that there's someone in that house other than
- 27:06Speaker 8: myself who is capable of causing each and every one
- 27:09Speaker 8: of those injuries.
- 27:10Speaker 9: The only two people that are in the house that
- 27:12Speaker 9: are physically capable of that Emily and the eight year old.
- 27:16Speaker 9: So obviously, by process of elimination, if it's not Emily,
- 27:20Speaker 9: then it has to be the eight year old.
- 27:23Speaker 12: That eight year old is Anna's older sister.
- 27:25Speaker 5: And so the kids are outside, Anna's upstairs sleeping. And
- 27:30Speaker 5: what you're saying is is at some point prior to
- 27:33Speaker 5: you going in and finding Anna, there's a thirty minute window.
- 27:38Speaker 7: Is that accurate? Yes, where per eight year old sister
- 27:42Speaker 7: was inside the house.
- 27:43Speaker 12: Yes, it's a bomb shell theory. Not everybody's buying it.
- 27:48Speaker 7: I was like, oh, here comes another lie, Lily. Let's
- 27:51Speaker 7: just keep coming up with more, I mean, straight nonsense
- 27:55Speaker 7: to me.
- 27:57Speaker 12: And it begs the question, why would this eight year
- 28:00Speaker 12: old murder her baby's sister. The answer that defense argues
- 28:04Speaker 12: comes from the testimony of the girl's father, Brandon.
- 28:07Speaker 9: His eight year old he knows has some issues, so
- 28:10Speaker 9: he was a very credible witness. He had also talked
- 28:12Speaker 9: about violent episodes and violent outbursts that the eight year
- 28:16Speaker 9: old had engaged in and outbursts directed at the twenty month.
- 28:21Speaker 12: Old and something else. Of all the numerous bruises across
- 28:25Speaker 12: Anna's little body, the defense says, there's one bruise that
- 28:29Speaker 12: may hold a key clue. Isn't the evidence that can
- 28:33Speaker 12: save Emily de Frieze coming up? An eight year old
- 28:38Speaker 12: girl takes the stand and her answers raised the question
- 28:42Speaker 12: does Emily de Frieze belong behind bars?
- 28:45Speaker 7: At the end of the day? Do you believe that
- 28:46Speaker 7: Emily is a killer?
- 28:51Speaker 1: Now back to today's story as we continue Bad Parents Week,
- 28:55Speaker 1: Emily da Frieze sits behind bars, accused of an unthinkable crime,
- 28:59Speaker 1: murdering her fiance's twenteen month old daughter. She's always maintained
- 29:03Speaker 1: she was innocent, and in a Crime Watch Daily exclusive,
- 29:06Speaker 1: she gave her first interview from behind bars to our
- 29:09Speaker 1: Michelle Sigone Chris.
- 29:10Speaker 5: Emily believes her eight year old stepdaughter may have been
- 29:13Speaker 5: responsible for this horrible crime, but why would a jury
- 29:17Speaker 5: believe her story? For the first time, one of the
- 29:20Speaker 5: jury members is letting us inside their decision.
- 29:25Speaker 12: Emily Dafriese is on the attack, shocking police by point
- 29:30Speaker 12: of the finger at an eight year old girl who
- 29:33Speaker 12: was about to become her stepdaughter, accusing that eight year
- 29:37Speaker 12: old of killing her very own baby's sister.
- 29:40Speaker 8: There are many other instances where children around the same
- 29:44Speaker 8: age have killed their younger siblings. It's not inconceivable.
- 29:49Speaker 12: Dafrize has been tars with murdering little twenty month old
- 29:52Speaker 12: Anna Belle. Her skull crushed and bruce is found all
- 29:57Speaker 12: over her body. Dafreeze's defense, it's one of those bruises
- 30:01Speaker 12: that proves it was Anna's older sister who killed her,
- 30:04Speaker 12: not Emily da Friese.
- 30:07Speaker 9: In one of the bedrooms there was bunk beds. These
- 30:09Speaker 9: bunk beds had drawers that would pull out. On the drawer,
- 30:13Speaker 9: there was a handle.
- 30:14Speaker 3: The handle was a.
- 30:15Speaker 9: Crescent shaped handle. A bruise was found on her stomach area,
- 30:19Speaker 9: which we felt was indicative of that crescent shaped handle
- 30:23Speaker 9: and was reflective of having been thrown against that dresser,
- 30:27Speaker 9: thrown against that drawer, which then would also have been
- 30:30Speaker 9: responsible for the blunt force trauma to the head.
- 30:34Speaker 12: It's a clue. The defense claims that opens up an
- 30:37Speaker 12: entirely different scenario.
- 30:39Speaker 9: I don't think that, and I don't think we argue
- 30:41Speaker 9: to the jury that she premeditated anything. Number one, I
- 30:44Speaker 9: don't think an eight year old can premeditate something like that.
- 30:47Speaker 9: I think it's an issue of rage. It's an issue
- 30:49Speaker 9: of emotion. It's an issue of a reaction that occurred
- 30:52Speaker 9: when Anna was either playing in the eight year old's
- 30:54Speaker 9: room or playing with her toys or something that got
- 30:57Speaker 9: her upset, and she just took her and shook her
- 31:00Speaker 9: and hit her up against the thing and left her there.
- 31:03Speaker 9: And Anne it very easily could have crawled to the
- 31:05Speaker 9: stairs and fallen down the bottom of the stairs easily.
- 31:10Speaker 12: The defense calls Anna's older sister to the stand, but
- 31:13Speaker 12: when asked about her anger or whether she ever hurt
- 31:17Speaker 12: her sister, she often answers, I don't know, and I
- 31:20Speaker 12: don't remember.
- 31:21Speaker 9: She was very blase about a lot of things and
- 31:24Speaker 9: didn't really talk in terms of great emotion about her
- 31:26Speaker 9: sister or great feelings towards her sister. So it's very
- 31:30Speaker 9: difficult to get anything concrete.
- 31:34Speaker 12: After the four day trial, the question is put to
- 31:37Speaker 12: the jury who was responsible for baby Anna's debt, twenty
- 31:41Speaker 12: four year old Emily or Anna's eight year old sister.
- 31:44Speaker 9: We thought that we had put a lot of these
- 31:47Speaker 9: pieces of the puzzle together to be able to focus
- 31:49Speaker 9: the attention on the eight year old. But that's a
- 31:52Speaker 9: very difficult thing to a jury.
- 31:55Speaker 12: Foreman Robert Baker says, the jury considered all the evidence
- 31:59Speaker 12: and no clear picture emerged of the moment Anna was killed.
- 32:03Speaker 7: Do you believe that Emily is a killer.
- 32:05Speaker 6: Well, this GISs back to is this a horrible accident
- 32:08Speaker 6: going wrong, or you know, was she intent on, you know,
- 32:11Speaker 6: actually maliciously wounding this child. I didn't see that.
- 32:16Speaker 12: Less than a day later, the twelve men and women
- 32:18Speaker 12: render a verdict and despite some doubt, Emily de Freese
- 32:22Speaker 12: is found guilty of second degree murder.
- 32:27Speaker 14: You believe Emily is responsible, Well, you're not one hundred
- 32:30Speaker 14: percent convinced that she's the one who actually did this
- 32:32Speaker 14: to this baby, correct, You're just not sure exactly how
- 32:36Speaker 14: this happened.
- 32:37Speaker 7: And that is the question. That was the biggest question
- 32:40Speaker 7: for me, is trying to figure that out.
- 32:43Speaker 6: I would like to have an easy answer, and there
- 32:45Speaker 6: wasn't one. But ultimately think Emily is responsible for the
- 32:48Speaker 6: safe keeping of that child and it didn't happen.
- 32:52Speaker 12: That alone may have sealed Emily's fate.
- 32:55Speaker 9: It's under the law her being the only adult in
- 32:57Speaker 9: the house is sufficient for the to find the chiefs
- 33:00Speaker 9: responsible for the offense.
- 33:03Speaker 12: The jury hands down the sentence twenty years in prison.
- 33:07Speaker 12: It could have been forty.
- 33:08Speaker 11: It was a.
- 33:08Speaker 9: Compromise, which reflected to me that it was a compromise
- 33:12Speaker 9: in the jury room in terms of the guilt or
- 33:13Speaker 9: innocence as well.
- 33:14Speaker 6: Forty years have been very easy if we you know,
- 33:17Speaker 6: he had a video of her shaking and hitting the
- 33:20Speaker 6: child against a wall or a hard surface, and you
- 33:22Speaker 6: know it's undisputable. But that wasn't the case, so the
- 33:26Speaker 6: doubt crept in. I think that's where we resolved to
- 33:29Speaker 6: the twenty years. It's almost a year for a month
- 33:32Speaker 6: that the child was alive.
- 33:37Speaker 12: Compromise is no consolation to Anna's mom.
- 33:41Speaker 10: Why was her life only worth twenty years?
- 33:44Speaker 7: You feel that the sentence should have been harsher.
- 33:46Speaker 8: Yes.
- 33:47Speaker 12: At first Anna's father stood by Emily the frieze, but
- 33:52Speaker 12: recently broke things off. Just one year into a twenty
- 33:55Speaker 12: year sentence, Emily is still fighting to clear her name.
- 34:00Speaker 12: Eric Corslin thinks she may have a chance. He's leading
- 34:03Speaker 12: a team to appeal her conviction.
- 34:06Speaker 15: I think in this case, the tragedy just really overshadowed
- 34:10Speaker 15: her presumption of innocence. We shouldn't convict somebody and deprive
- 34:14Speaker 15: them of their liberty for two decades because it's possible
- 34:17Speaker 15: she could have done this.
- 34:18Speaker 7: How confident are you in overturning this verdict?
- 34:21Speaker 15: Unfortunately, not very confident. It's very difficult to overturn a verdict.
- 34:26Speaker 15: The Court of Appeals is going to say, the jury
- 34:28Speaker 15: heard the case. The jury was there, they saw the witnesses.
- 34:32Speaker 15: They made their decision, but.
- 34:36Speaker 12: One tragedy overshadows them all. Little Annabelle is gone forever.
- 34:41Speaker 8: I loved her like she was mine. I fell in
- 34:49Speaker 8: love with her. She was sweet, she was very happy. Baby.
- 34:56Speaker 1: We did reach out to Brandon Bell, who stood by
- 34:59Speaker 1: Emily during her trial, to get his side of the story.
- 35:02Speaker 1: He didn't return our cause now you heard how conflicted
- 35:05Speaker 1: the jury was, So I want to ask you, do
- 35:08Speaker 1: you believe her story? Up next is Emily lying. This
- 35:12Speaker 1: guy is an expert in analyzing what people say and
- 35:15Speaker 1: how they say it.
- 35:16Speaker 3: Well, hear his take on whether or not he thinks
- 35:18Speaker 3: Emily committed this horrible crime.
- 35:21Speaker 11: That's next.
- 35:23Speaker 8: I'm ready, I'm ready to fight. I'm ready to get
- 35:25Speaker 8: the truth out.
- 35:28Speaker 3: But what is the truth.
- 35:32Speaker 1: Is defrees doing time for a crime she didn't commit.
- 35:35Speaker 1: Many are still tormented by that question. So porn Watch
- 35:41Speaker 1: Daily brought in Stan Walters, a man who makes his
- 35:44Speaker 1: living catching liars in the act. What is the key
- 35:47Speaker 1: to detecting deception in an interview?
- 35:50Speaker 13: Most people think it's body language, and everybody's looking for
- 35:53Speaker 13: that one secretary, that one special move, that one break,
- 35:57Speaker 13: an eye contact to one fidget, and we're looking at
- 36:00Speaker 13: the wrong things. It's better to pay attention to the
- 36:02Speaker 13: listening portion, the verbal portion, and then look for what's
- 36:06Speaker 13: missing or what's embelli.
- 36:08Speaker 3: Stan is an interview specialist.
- 36:10Speaker 1: He's been training police departments in the military on interview
- 36:13Speaker 1: techniques for thirty five years. We had Stan to take
- 36:16Speaker 1: a look at our exclusive interview with Emily de Fried,
- 36:20Speaker 1: and he sees some red flags.
- 36:23Speaker 13: The main point that Michelle dedaster was tell me what
- 36:27Speaker 13: happened that day, and all of a sudden she began
- 36:30Speaker 13: to drop details, and the timeline disappeared, and I could
- 36:33Speaker 13: see big jumps in the timelines, So I knew that there,
- 36:36Speaker 13: for some reason, there appeared to be an avoidance there. Now,
- 36:39Speaker 13: dad in itself doesn't mean she committed to the murder.
- 36:41Speaker 13: But as the interviewer, why am I missing these spots?
- 36:45Speaker 13: Why she's skipping those points.
- 36:46Speaker 8: I had tried to guess and estimate for the police
- 36:50Speaker 8: what time things happened that day, and I was mistaken
- 36:55Speaker 8: when things happened me.
- 36:56Speaker 13: Relapses is one of the most frequently used forms of avoidance.
- 37:00Speaker 13: It's hard as the interviewer to attack it cause you
- 37:01Speaker 13: have nothing to grab onto, so it's gonna be a
- 37:04Speaker 13: stalling tactic. And in that way, I don't have to
- 37:06Speaker 13: make up a story that could be challenged.
- 37:09Speaker 3: And there's another one MM.
- 37:11Speaker 13: The one that was really critical was when e when
- 37:14Speaker 13: it describes it was a slow day, it was a
- 37:17Speaker 13: free day, and and all of a sudden she has
- 37:19Speaker 13: a very specific thirty minute winter well and call specifically
- 37:23Speaker 13: thirty minutes the older sister is in the house alone.
- 37:27Speaker 5: Suppose with Anna, what you're saying is is at some
- 37:30Speaker 5: point prior to you going in and finding Anna, there's
- 37:34Speaker 5: a thirty minute window.
- 37:36Speaker 7: Is that accurate? Yes, where pre eight year old sister
- 37:40Speaker 7: was inside the house.
- 37:41Speaker 13: Yes, but she's not been looking at the clock, can't
- 37:43Speaker 13: remember a time up to here. But all of a
- 37:46Speaker 13: sudden we got a specific thirty minutes.
- 37:48Speaker 3: What is that sendiot to me?
- 37:50Speaker 13: That's a critical window, right there? No other reference at
- 37:53Speaker 13: times over estimates of times. How do we know it's
- 37:55Speaker 13: thirty minutes? If you're not watching, you don't have some
- 37:58Speaker 13: representation in your mind.
- 38:00Speaker 8: I know that there's someone in that house other than
- 38:02Speaker 8: myself who is capable of causing each and every one
- 38:06Speaker 8: of those injuries.
- 38:07Speaker 13: Once she wants to p push off the the guilt
- 38:09Speaker 13: or responsibility through here, the whole story she blames was
- 38:12Speaker 13: being aggressive toward her younger sister, and so this block
- 38:16Speaker 13: she has to account for that block of time if
- 38:18Speaker 13: she is involved. In my opinion, that's the thirty minute
- 38:21Speaker 13: block when this incident actually occurred, when she had the
- 38:24Speaker 13: interaction with Diana, got hurt.
- 38:27Speaker 1: And then there's this a tale sign right out of
- 38:30Speaker 1: a detective novel.
- 38:32Speaker 7: He fris Michelle's critical question for the record, did you
- 38:36Speaker 7: kill Anna?
- 38:37Speaker 5: No?
- 38:38Speaker 13: Watch watch no?
- 38:45Speaker 8: No?
- 38:48Speaker 13: It's an emotional leak, very nuanced, very small, but a leak,
- 38:53Speaker 13: a leak. Nonetheless, she doesn't believe her own answer. In
- 38:56Speaker 13: some way, she feels responsibility her act since lack of action,
- 39:01Speaker 13: foul play, whatever she feels emostly the connection causeth the
- 39:06Speaker 13: child's death, or whether that was because she left the
- 39:09Speaker 13: child alone and didn't monitor the child, or she was
- 39:11Speaker 13: a principal actor in it. She didn't believe Realm responds,
- 39:15Speaker 13: but do these.
- 39:16Speaker 3: Clues reveal the whole picture?
- 39:18Speaker 1: Is Emily defrees telling the truth about her role in
- 39:22Speaker 1: Annabel's death In your opinion, was Emily de Free's line.
- 39:28Speaker 13: In my opinion, she exhibits clusters of behaviors that are
- 39:31Speaker 13: consistent with someone who's withholding information.
- 39:34Speaker 3: She's not telling the whole story correct