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The Corpse, The Crowd, and The Calculated Bluff: Solving the 1988 Imbaba Murder in Three Days · Crime Night

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the deep dive. Today, we're going back to
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  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight to Imbaba, a district in Cairo. Picture
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  Speaker 1: of this it's workers City, around seven am. It's a
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  Speaker 1: routine morning. Parents were walking their kids to school, heading
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  Speaker 1: along the wall near the school entrance.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty normal scene, right, except.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't not at all because there was the smell.
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  Speaker 1: People started noticing it. Thick smoke, definitely, but the smell
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  Speaker 1: itself was just wrong, really disturbing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Witnesses described it later as something like roasted meat,
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  Speaker 2: but chemical acrid mixed with fuel, deeply unsettling.
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  Speaker 1: And they could see smoke sort of weakly rising from
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  Speaker 1: one of those big municipal garbage bins near the school wall.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a key detail, the weak smoke, because it
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  Speaker 2: turned out there had been heavy rain earlier before dawn,
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  Speaker 2: really torrential downfall.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so the rain likely put out most of the fire.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, It left just smoldering material. But crucially, that rain
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  Speaker 2: also did a real number on the potential crime scene
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  Speaker 2: before anyone even knew there was one.
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  Speaker 1: So people, the parents mostly start getting closer to this bin,
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out the source of the smoke.
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  Speaker 2: And that awful smell curiosity mixed with well probably dread,
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  Speaker 2: and when.
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  Speaker 1: They looked inside, it was just absolute horror. A body
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  Speaker 1: completely charred, mutilated, burns so severely you couldn't even tell
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  Speaker 1: if it was a.
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  Speaker 2: Man or a woman, not imaginal and right there near
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  Speaker 2: the school.
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  Speaker 1: Instantly panic, total chaos. Rumors started flying. It was a
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  Speaker 1: students when assaulted a child. Parents just grabbed their kids
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  Speaker 1: from school. The whole area became frantic, which.
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  Speaker 2: Is completely understandable but terrible for the investigation. By the
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  Speaker 2: time security forces and the forensic lab teams got there,
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  Speaker 2: the scene was well chaotic, contaminating, massively contaminated, trampled footprints everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: And then layer on top of that the rain we
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  Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, it had already washed away so much potential evidence,
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  Speaker 2: blood traces, fibers, anything subtle on the ground.
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  Speaker 1: So back in nineteen eighty eight, without the kind of
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  Speaker 1: DNA tech or surveillance we have now, I mean, with
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  Speaker 1: a scene that compromised by weather in the crowd, was
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  Speaker 1: there even much hope.
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  Speaker 2: It must have seemed bleak. The usual approach securing the perimeter,
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  Speaker 2: collecting trace evidence to the surroundings that was largely off
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  Speaker 2: the table. They had to pivot, pivot. How if the
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  Speaker 2: outside environment gave them nothing, they had to look inside,
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  Speaker 2: inside the bin and at the victim's body itself. And
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  Speaker 2: here's where it gets interesting. Despite the fire, despite the.
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  Speaker 1: Water damage, something survived.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the intense heat had actually fused some items directly
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  Speaker 2: to the body, almost like preserving them in place.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, what kind of items are we talking about?
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  Speaker 2: When the forensic team carefully examined the remains, they found
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  Speaker 2: two rings fused onto one hand, a wedding band and
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  Speaker 2: another silver ring.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's something concrete.
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  Speaker 2: Very concrete. They also recovered tiny strands of burnt hair
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  Speaker 2: melted right onto the skull fragments. Those fines, the rings,
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  Speaker 2: and the hair structure allowed them to determine the victim
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  Speaker 2: was an adult woman, probably around thirty years old. It
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  Speaker 2: was the first step in giving her back some identity.
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  Speaker 1: And what about the bin itself? Did they find anything there?
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  Speaker 1: Despite the rain?
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  Speaker 2: They did. Lab analysis found clear traces of gasoline residue
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  Speaker 2: and also heavy oil mixed in.
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  Speaker 1: With the debris, confirming it was arson. Deliberate, absolutely deliberate.
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  Speaker 2: This wasn't some tragic accident. Someone intended to burn that body.
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  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the most crucial question. Then was
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  Speaker 1: she already dead when they put her in the bin
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  Speaker 1: or was the fire itself the cause of death? What
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  Speaker 1: did the autopsies show?
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  Speaker 2: This is really the critical forensic moment in the case.
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  Speaker 2: The autopsy report form forensic medicine was unambiguous. First, they
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  Speaker 2: found soot actual smoke residue deep inside her respiratory tract,
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  Speaker 2: meaning she was breathing it in. She was breathing as
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  Speaker 2: the fire burned. But the definitive proof came from the
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  Speaker 2: toxicology analysis. They measured her carboxy hemoglobin levels COHb COHb levels.
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  Speaker 1: Can you break that down? What does that tell investigators?
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  Speaker 2: Sure, carboxyhemoglobin forms when you inhale carbon monoxide from smoke
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  Speaker 2: in a fire. A normal person has maybe one two percent.
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  Speaker 2: Smoker might have up to nine or ten percent. This
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  Speaker 2: woman's COHb level was over fifty percent.
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  Speaker 1: Fifty Wow, So that makes I mean she.
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  Speaker 2: Was absolutely unequivocally alive and breathing heavily while that fire
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  Speaker 2: raged around her. She died from the burning from smoke
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  Speaker 2: inhalation and the heat, not from some prior injury.
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  Speaker 1: That's horrifying, but incredibly significant for the case.
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  Speaker 2: Hugely significant. It proved legally and scientifically that the garbage
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  Speaker 2: bin wasn't just a dumping ground for a body. It
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  Speaker 2: was the primary murder scene, the place where her life
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  Speaker 2: actually ended.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so they know how she died, now a truly
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  Speaker 1: brutal death. They know the scene. But then they hit
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  Speaker 1: another wall right identifying her exactly.
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  Speaker 2: They checked all the missing person's reports, not just a nambaba.
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  Speaker 2: They widened the search to nearby rural areas too. Nothing
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  Speaker 2: zero matches.
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  Speaker 1: So she likely wasn't from the area.
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  Speaker 2: That was the logical conclusion. Maybe a visitor, someone passing through,
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  Speaker 2: or someone whose absence just hadn't been officially reported. Definitely
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  Speaker 2: seemed like she was the local resident.
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  Speaker 1: Which must have been a major setback. If you can't
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  Speaker 1: identify the victim, it makes finding the motive and the
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  Speaker 1: perpetrator much harder.
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  Speaker 2: So the investigation had to shift gears again away from
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  Speaker 2: forensics and victim identification and towards well old fashioned intelligence.
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  Speaker 1: Gathering, going undercover.
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  Speaker 2: Essentially, pretty much, they flooded the worker City area with
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  Speaker 2: plain clothes officers, activated a whole network of secret informants
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  Speaker 2: just trying to listen to pick up anything, humm, relying
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  Speaker 2: on street work eavesdropping.
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  Speaker 1: Because the community itself wasn't talking.
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  Speaker 2: Not officially, for two whole days. Silence, absolute silence, despite
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  Speaker 2: this horrific event happening right there.
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  Speaker 1: And then finally a break, but not from a formal interview.
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  Speaker 2: No, completely By chance, an informant was just walking through
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  Speaker 2: the local market and overheard two women chatting casually.
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  Speaker 1: What did they hear?
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  Speaker 2: One woman was telling the other she'd heard terrible screaming
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  Speaker 2: just before dawn, around the time the rain started. She
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  Speaker 2: specifically mentioned hearing cries for help like the killing me.
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  Speaker 1: They're killing me plural.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, suggesting more than one attacker. And she also heard
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  Speaker 2: men's voices, young men yelling, cursing. This was coming from
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  Speaker 2: near the housing complexes.
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  Speaker 1: And those complexes, how far from the bin where the
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  Speaker 1: body was found.
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  Speaker 2: Only about one hundred meters, very close.
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  Speaker 1: So this was the first real lead linking the event
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  Speaker 1: to a specific time, a location nearby, and multiple perpetrators.
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  Speaker 2: It was huge. It was basically the only lead they had,
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  Speaker 2: so the police immediately went to those housing complexes, started
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  Speaker 2: knocking on doors, trying to interview residents, and what happened.
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  Speaker 1: Did people confirm hearing the screams?
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  Speaker 2: No, uniformly, everyone denied hearing a thing, complete denial. Didn't
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  Speaker 2: hear anything, slept right.
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  Speaker 1: Through it, but the informant heard it. The police knew
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  Speaker 1: the screams had happened right.
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  Speaker 2: And multiple informants eventually corroborated that sounds of distress were
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  Speaker 2: heard widely around that time. So this mass denial wasn't ignorance,
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  Speaker 2: it was something else. Fear, overwhelming fear. The police deduced
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  Speaker 2: that the residents had heard it, but they were two
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  Speaker 2: tear arrified to admit it, terrified of repercussions, which strongly
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  Speaker 2: pointed towards the perpetrators being local people, known people feared.
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  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the local criminal element. The investigation
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  Speaker 1: must have shifted focus dramatically, then it did.
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  Speaker 2: They zeroed in on known local thugs, the kind of
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  Speaker 2: people referred to in the community as boltogia.
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  Speaker 1: Boltogia what does that mean exactly?
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  Speaker 2: They're essentially local bullies, registered criminals, often involved in intimidation,
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  Speaker 2: petty crime, sometimes acting as hired muscle. They maintained control
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  Speaker 2: through fear.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so they started looking at these known individuals.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and after about three days of intensive digging into
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  Speaker 2: these circles, they identified three main suspects, a local fruit seller,
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  Speaker 2: a plumber, and a driver. What linked them They all
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  Speaker 2: had prior criminal records, and crucially, witnesses confirmed they habitually
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  Speaker 2: gathered late at night at the fruit seller's shop, drinking,
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  Speaker 2: using drugs. It was their regularis spot.
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  Speaker 1: So they have suspects, they have a location, they have
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  Speaker 1: a rough time frame, but still no direct physical evidence
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  Speaker 1: linking them to the body. Right the rain washed that away,
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  Speaker 1: and no witnesses willing to.
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  Speaker 2: Talk correct a very tricky situation. They couldn't rely on
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  Speaker 2: forensics to tie these specific men to the crime scene.
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  Speaker 1: So how did they break them? How did they get
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  Speaker 1: a confession?
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  Speaker 2: They use psychology, a bit of a bluff, actually a
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  Speaker 2: calculated interrogation tactic.
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  Speaker 1: What did they do?
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  Speaker 2: They brought the three suspects in separately and they told
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  Speaker 2: each of them a fabricated story. They said, essentially, look,
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  Speaker 2: we have multiple witnesses, many people saw you. They've confessed everything,
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  Speaker 2: described exactly what you did.
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  Speaker 1: Even though they didn't have those witnesses, not.
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  Speaker 2: A single one who would testify, but they made the
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  Speaker 2: story convincing, detailed and facing what seemed like overwhelming evidence
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  Speaker 2: against them. It worked instantly. The three men broke down
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  Speaker 2: one after the other and confessed everything. The details they
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  Speaker 2: provided were chilling and corroborated each other perfectly.
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  Speaker 1: Take us through that timeline. What did they ad miss?
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  Speaker 2: They said they were at the fruit seller shop, drinking,
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  Speaker 2: doing drugs run a one thirty am. They saw the
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  Speaker 2: woman walking alone. They noted she clearly wasn't from.
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  Speaker 1: The neighborhood, and they just decided to attack her.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, they decided to assault her. They ambushed her, attacked
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  Speaker 2: her with knives. They used the local term mutui. They
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  Speaker 2: cut her face, her hands. She fought back fiercely, screaming.
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  Speaker 1: Those were the screams the woman in the market.
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  Speaker 2: Overheard exactly, and the suspects even admitted that, yeah, people
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  Speaker 2: heard it. Residents opened their windows in the nearby buildings.
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  Speaker 1: Looked out, but close them again quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, out of fear. They saw what was happening, knew
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  Speaker 2: who these men were, and shut their windows, wanting no
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  Speaker 2: part of it.
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  Speaker 1: So her resistance. What happened then?
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  Speaker 2: Because she fought so hard, one of them escalated things dramatically.
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  Speaker 2: He inflicted a massive, deep stab wound running all the
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  Speaker 2: way from her abdomen up towards her chest. Oh god,
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  Speaker 2: At that point there was so much blood, they said.
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  Speaker 2: They realized they couldn't continue the assault they had initially planned.
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  Speaker 2: It was too messy, too complicated.
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  Speaker 1: So what did they do with her? She was still
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  Speaker 1: alive at this point.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, critically injured, bleeding profusely, but still alive. They decided
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  Speaker 2: they needed to dispose of her. They dragged her, dragged
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  Speaker 2: her still living body about three hundred.
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  Speaker 1: Meters to the garbage, back.
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  Speaker 2: To that large municipal bin near the school wall.
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  Speaker 1: At the final act, he threw her.
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  Speaker 2: In, dumped her into the bin on top of the
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  Speaker 2: existing garbage. Then they gathered rags, poured the gasoline and
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  Speaker 2: oil they had over them, and threw in a lit.
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  Speaker 1: Match while she was still alive.
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  Speaker 2: While she was still alive, and perhaps the most disturbing
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  Speaker 2: part of the confession, they didn't just leave. They went
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  Speaker 2: back to the fruit seller shop.
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  Speaker 1: What why?
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  Speaker 2: They sat there, continued their night, and they listened. They
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  Speaker 2: listened to her screams as the fire took hold, until
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  Speaker 2: the heavy rains started around four am and finally extinguished
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  Speaker 2: the flames.
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  Speaker 1: They've just listened, Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Completely remorseless, utterly confident that nobody in the community would
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  Speaker 2: ever dare to speak against them.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to fathom that level cruelty. But looking back
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  Speaker 1: at the investigation, it's actually quite remarkable.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it. It really is. Think about it, nineteen eighty eight,
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  Speaker 2: no CCTV everywhere, limited forensic tools compared to today, a
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  Speaker 2: crime scene devastated by rain and crowds, a terrified community.
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  Speaker 1: And yet they sold it in three days.
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  Speaker 2: Three days. Yeah, it was this combination of that key
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  Speaker 2: forensic finding, the COHP level proving she was alive, and
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  Speaker 2: then really sharp focused intelligence work understanding the local power dynamics,
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  Speaker 2: identifying the likely culprits, and using that clever interrogation tactic.
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  Speaker 2: It cut through the fear.
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  Speaker 1: But even with the confessions, the arrests, the convictions, there's
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  Speaker 1: still a piece missing, isn't there.
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  Speaker 2: A huge piece her identity.
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  Speaker 1: We still don't know who she was.
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  Speaker 2: No to this day, the Imbaba corpse, as the case
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  Speaker 2: became known, remains unidentified. We know how she died in
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  Speaker 2: horrific detail, we know who killed her, but we don't
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  Speaker 2: know her name or why she was walking alone in
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  Speaker 2: that part of Imbaba at one point thirty in the morning,
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  Speaker 2: She's still.
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  Speaker 1: A Jane Doe, a nameless victim of pure brutality.
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  Speaker 2: And it serves as a stark reminder, doesn't it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: how substances the drugs and alcohol these men were consuming
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  Speaker 2: can just strip away any semblance of humanity, turning people
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  Speaker 2: into well.
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  Speaker 1: Monster is capable of this absolutely, and it leaves us
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  Speaker 1: with a final thought, perhaps about the community. Their silence
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  Speaker 1: was born of genuine fear, understandable fear, but it also
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  Speaker 1: highlights a difficult question.
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  Speaker 2: What happens when fear becomes so pervasive that it allows
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  Speaker 2: such brutality to occur and almost protects the perpetrators afterwards?
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  Speaker 2: What's the collective responsibility even when people are scared for
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  Speaker 2: their own safety?
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  Speaker 1: A chilling question to ponder, the cost of silence versus
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  Speaker 1: the risk of speaking out.