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Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles REPLAY 100226 - Brent Winters on the Fourth Amendment, Magna Carta, and Modern Government · Global Voice Radio Network's tracks

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  Thank you so much for joining us, and welcome to the program.
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  Unknown: Well, there you go in our familiar opening lyrics, and it is a Friday, and we are gonna have a show this Friday, it appears.
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  And I do have Brent online. Chris just joined us right there. And, of course, it's Roger Sales and Radio Ranch and Patriot Network and all that good ID platform stuff
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  and one of always my favorite show of the week for a lot of different reasons and last week, we just couldn't do one because the internet went down and it was down for me for about a day and a half or so but
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  and it's Yet last week, Brent, one of the reasons I was so keyed up was, and I don't know if you even realized it, but last week was a real unusual
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  Good Friday, if you will,
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  because it coincided
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  with a day that's come to be identified as Patriots Day, the nineteenth.
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  And so the day had double significance,
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  I thought, and I had realized it and I was anxious to explore some of that with you and we just didn't get chance to. So anyway, how you doing? Sorry we didn't get together last week. I really missed it personally. I miss these programs on the rare occasions we don't get them pulled off.
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  Unknown: Oh, me too, of course. And I was sitting here cocked and loaded,
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  primed and
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  primed and pumped
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  to say something and there were plenty of things to talk about, but as soon as I heard the Internet was down, I just
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  eased out and went back to work. I've always got more to do than get done and there's not always money for doing it, but there's plenty that ought to be done so I can find plenty to do. So I did that.
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  Unknown: But you know, the gratifying
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  things in
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  satisfying things in life are things you do you don't get paid for.
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  Unknown: That's true. Now I want to make sure you're hearing me. Are you hearing me good, Roger? Yeah, I can hear you that you're fiddling with the microphone in some context,
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  Unknown: sound
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  quality has changed a bit but we can hear you the whole time.
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  Unknown: And
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  clear. I've
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  got a fancy mic and I use it, sometimes I'm without it and then I plug it in to see if there's a difference, I can't tell of course. Sounds Chris says I'm okay, I'm happy. It sounds great right now, your voice quality is real good too.
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  So, well... Good, well Roger, what... Yeah, go ahead. No, you go ahead.
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  Well you keep me loaded Roger and informed with fascinating legal subjects and one of them that
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  came across my
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  purview here in front of my computer but you didn't send this one I don't think but it was a sixth Federal Circuit
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  decision from the sixth
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  Federal Court of Appeals that said that chalking tires,
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  chalking tires to give people parking tickets
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  is unconstitutional.
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  And
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  I read the opinion. Oh I read the opinion Roger. This is no small matter
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  and it's purely as
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  you sense and I did too whenever, it's a matter, it's laughable
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  but at the same time it's purely a matter of principle and that's what makes things work around here in our own country. People that get interested and then wait a minute, I don't care if it's a dollar ticket or a $10,000,000
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  fine for a felony.
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  It's not the amount that's important, it's the principle of the thing. Is it right to take other people's
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  personal property
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  in violation of their fundamental rights? Now this particular case,
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  they wrote it out. It wasn't real long but they was long enough as we used to say in school.
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  How the teacher, the professor, somebody asked him well how long do you want this paper professor?
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  And he'd say, well, this one professor old Rigsby, he'd say, well let's do it this way.
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  Let's make it like a girl's dress.
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  Long enough to cover the material but short enough to be interesting. How's that? That's good. And that's the way this...
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  Yeah, and this particular...
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  And there were no girls in the class and at that time in that place, but this particular
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  decision I'm hoping, I like this, I like to go straight to the source of the material
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  and I'd like to read some of this,
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  a decision if I can find it, I may have just lost it.
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  Let me see. Well no, but what they said was this, it's Fourth Amendment problem.
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  Yeah,
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  the Fourth Amendment problem, that's what it is and the thing had to do with illegal
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  search and seizure without a warrant, you see. That's what it was all about and the court does a good job breaking it down. Now they say of course, they review such cases de novo. They begin by saying this, now this is fundamental but most people, we all need to go back to the basics as Vince Lombardi used to say. We need to continually go back to the foundation and shore up the foundation.
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  Now I'm reading from the opinion
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  of the sixth
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  Federal Court of Appeals, sixth Circuit that is. And yet they say this... Sentencing this?
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  I think so.
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  Okay. Yeah, you can look on the Internet while maybe while I'm reading this and see which states it encompasses.
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  Seventh you know is Illinois, Michigan, Indiana,
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  the eighth is Missouri and out that way but let me read this while
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  folk are looking, maybe somebody's got their computer up and are looking at which state it was but it says this, the Fourth Amendment protects the right of the people to be secure in their persons houses, papers and defects
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  against unreasonable searches and seizures.
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  That's a quote from the Fourth Amendment over US Constitution.
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  Then the
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  court quotes a lot of Supreme Court decisions. Here's one they quote. The basic purpose of this amendment as recognized in countless decisions of the Supreme Court
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  is to safeguard
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  privacy and security of individuals against arbitrary invasions
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  by government officials. Now that's the key language,
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  arbitrary invasions.
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  Arbitrary, you see. Arbitrary is a big word in our world because we're a common law country. There is no arbitrary act of government
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  that is lawful. Arbitrary means you haven't followed due process. You've just done whatever suited your fancy as a government employee
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  for the moment.
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  Now they continue and quote again another US Supreme Court case and they say the Fourth Amendment gives concrete expression to a right of the people which is basic
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  to a free society
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  and to determine whether a Fourth Amendment violation has occurred, continues the court, we asked two primary questions. First,
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  whether the alleged government conduct constitutes a search within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment and second,
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  whether the search was reasonable.
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  We address each in turn. You see the Fourth Amendment really doesn't use the
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  words
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  telling us that
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  a government has to have a warrant for a search. What it says is that we are protected against unreasonable
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  searches and seizures. Now we have defined unreasonable and rightly so throughout our hundreds of years
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  of our common law history. Unreasonable
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  means you got to have a warrant and if there isn't a warrant from a neutral and detached magistrate,
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  then it is presumptively
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  unreasonable and the burdens on the government to prove the reasonableness
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  of the search. Now that can be done for example, we talk about the exceptions
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  when a hot pursuit of a law officer of someone fleeing him and he runs into a house, well he doesn't need a warrant to run-in after him.
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  Exceptional circumstances.
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  Now they say this, there are two questions they want to answer and I just read them but they say the answer to the first question is yes.
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  Chalking
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  attire
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  is a search
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  for Fourth Amendment purposes. Why? Because they have touched
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  the property of another person that does not belong to them. That's the first requirement.
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  They touched it. They took an instrument, a piece of chalk and although it's primitive, it's not high-tech and they touched it and the Supreme Court they say has articulated two distinct approaches to determine when conduct by a government agent constitutes a search. Under the most prevalent and widely used search analysis of CATS, that's the old case from Ohio I believe back in 1967,
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  that's a US Supreme Court case, a search occurs
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  when a government official, listen to this, this is good. A search occurs when a government official invades an area in which a person has a constitutionally protected
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  reasonable
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  expectation
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  of privacy.
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  When the government invades, well that's what they do when they take a piece of chalk and mark your tire according to the court. And under Katz, the case of Katz, I think it's Katz versus Ohio. A search is analyzed in two parts. First, that a person exhibited
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  an actual that is a subjective
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  expectation of privacy. In other words, if I feel like I need privacy, that's the test not whether you think I ought to have it. Subjective expectation of privacy, that's number one and second, that the expectation
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  be one that society is prepared to recognize as reasonable
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  and a physical intrusion is not necessary
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  for a search
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  to occur
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  under this case called cats but in this case we have a physical intrusion. Somebody touching
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  the person of the personal property, the chattel of another, namely the tire of your car with a piece of chalk and this fella happens to work for the government. In recent years,
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  the Supreme Court revisited
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  the seldom used property based approach to the Fourth Amendment search inquiry in a case called US versus Jones of 2012
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  recently.
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  When
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  government invasions are accompanied by physical intrusions,
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  a search occurs
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  when the government trespasses upon a constitutionally protected area,
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  number one. Number two, to obtain information. Well, let's run that one through. When they chalk your tire, is that the government trespassing
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  on a constitutionally protected area? Answer, yes. That's personal property. They have no right to touch it. No right to touch it unless there is an exception and the law talks about that. But why did they touch it? Why did they mark it with the chalk, the tire? Well, the reason they did it was to obtain information.
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  So what do we have? We have an unlawful
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  search and the burden then is on the government to prove otherwise but the government attaches,
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  for example, in this case Jones,
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  the government had attached a GPS device to a car to track the car's movements
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  and the Supreme Court held of The United States I'm talking about, the Supreme Court held that the government's trespass upon an effect, in other words a piece of property, the vehicle, to obtain information related to the car's movement was a search.
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  We need to know that and remember it.
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  Jones this case, Jones echoed the understanding and I'm quoting the Jones case
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  that the Katz reasonable
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  expectation
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  of privacy test
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  has been added to,
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  not substituted for the common law trespassery
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  test. You see before Katz,
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  there was no body talking about in the courts a reasonable expectation of privacy
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  and that was something that was kind of new. The old test under common law they call here the common law trespassory
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  test.
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  In other words, if you at common law have trespassed upon the real or personal property of another and you work for the government and you did it to obtain information,
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  you need a warrant.
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  So the reasonable expectation of privacy is added to the trespass test. Now
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  the Fourth Amendment is stronger than it was at common law. That's what they're saying here and for our Pope purposes they say,
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  Jones provides a framework to understand this. Now the threshold question under Jones
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  is whether chalking
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  attire
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  constitutes
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  common law trespass
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  upon a constitutionally
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  protected area
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  and the Jones case did not provide clear boundaries for the meaning of common law trespass because that's been understood for centuries. Though Jones does not provide these clear boundaries as defined by the restatement on property, a common law trespass
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  is an act which brings about intended physical contact with
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  a chattel in the possession of another. Here it is. Intended physical contact. Now I'm gonna stop and let you make comment or two because I need a breather in just a minute. Let me finish this point. The restatement of the law is a gathering of all the principles of the first principles of the law into just statements
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  that are as we call dogmas. They don't always or they don't cite the support
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  but the states and the courts have come to recognize these as having authority. Go ahead Roger.
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  Unknown: Gosh Brent,
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  I feel like you gave
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  Yeah. I think you gave us a drink of water out of a fire hydrant there. Go ahead, Chris. Oh,
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  Unknown: go ahead, Chris. Yeah.
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  Unknown: Well, first and foremost,
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  Katz in this case is spelled k a t z,
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  and it's commonly known as cats versus curtilage.
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  Curtilage are the things that are associated to the private property of the absentee there too.
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  House's papers and effects is the explicit language from the Fourth Amendment.
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  And in cats, in particular,
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  it had to do with an unconstitutional
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  search where the police had accessed
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  a two story hard a text act cat
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  looked over the fence and did a visual search
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  claiming plain view doctrine and error
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  because it did not have a warrant to do so.
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  And thereby,
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  Katz says
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  the property includes from the ground above to the sky overhead,
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  and they can't even use a drone or an airplane
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  to warrantly search your backyard,
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  which zoning agents and building officials do habitual.
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  Unknown: Boy, in the age of drones, that's a really important point.
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  We got a new... Someone joining us that's new with an eight eighteen area code,
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  but I wanted to add that I saw an article and I dumped it. I'm sorry, I dumped it. In Massachusetts,
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  a case has gone to the Supreme Court dealing with virtually the same issue like with cats or with the GPS in the car except with cell phones and the Massachusetts Supreme Court ruled against the police. That was just this week and so anyway, let's go back to it. First, let me, before we launch, Brennaff again, 818,
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  how are doing?
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  Unknown: Fine. Hi Roger, this is Kay Bailey. Hi Kay. Hello.
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  Unknown: Oh Kay,
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  what a joy. Okay, Kay's along with us, an old listener from
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  the old days, in the early days, her and her husband were in California, had their ox gored out there and then her daughter had children and she moved to the East Coast to be mama, nanny, grandma. Ain't that about it?
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  Unknown: Yeah.
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  Unknown: That's right. And Kay is the author of
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  romance novels,
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  a real interesting profession and she does a great job. Kay, I'm glad to have you call in, dear.
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  Unknown: Thank you. I
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  wanted to say thank you to you for
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  recommending
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  Brent to me. Is that the right name? Yes.
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  Okay. Good. Hi. So I just finished your... I'm a little off topic. I'm sorry.
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  I just finished your
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  Magna Carta series.
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  I had ordered it, the three discs,
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  and my husband's finishing it now. And
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  it was amazing.
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  It was just... It's an amazing series, and I wanted to thank you. I had
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  started listening to it because of the new red flag laws
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  that are going in and they're saying, oh, there's due process and I sort of went, you know, I need to find out really what due process is. I have an idea but
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  not a really good idea. So, I listened to
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  of your
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  Magna Carta series,
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  and I honestly understand it now. Not only that, the habeas corpus, which I didn't understand at all before listening to this.
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  It's an incredible series.
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  Unknown: Well, that's an encouraging thing to say. I did that,
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  had a friend call me from Montana and say look, he said look, he said this
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  is the eight hundredth anniversary of the signing of Magna Carta.
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  I mean,
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  nightmare 2015
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  was the eight hundredth anniversary. He said, why don't you
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  do a series on Magna Carta and
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  send it to me and I'll play it on my or post it on my website.
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  He's a working man but he likes to do things like that
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  and I thought that might not be a bad idea and I just sat down day by day and went through it clause by clause and blow by blow. Now that's the advantage. You can find a lot of things written about Magna Carta just like you can find a lot of things written about the Bible. You can find a lot of things written about the Constitution of The United States and the Declaration of Independence. As a matter of fact they're published with a statement before telling you all about it and then the statement maybe after but seldom do you ever find something that just says clause by clause, blow by blow, same thing is true of the Bible, what does it say? In other words, to try to not know about it but know it and there's a difference between the two and
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  so
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  I covet you telling me that because otherwise I don't know if I've done anything that's worthwhile or not. You don't know
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  really for sure and have full confidence until
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  other people confirm. You know in God's world, in God's economy, in God's way of doing things there are two confirmations that a man needs.
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  Number one, he needs the confirmation of God. That's the testimony of God Himself saying this is what needs to be done. But in particular instances he needs the testimony of other men
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  to say, Yes, we believe the same thing. This is what God says ought to be done. Then you have full confidence that's why in the Bible you see it constantly and
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  in our common law. There is the confirmation of a man doing what he believes ought to be done but then there is the confirmation of other men saying, yes, you should continue doing this. It's because we're creatures, we're not creator and that we require that. That's the way God made us and so I appreciate you taking time to call and say that and it is available by the way. Particular series you probably got it off Amazon, is that right?
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  Unknown: I did. Okay,
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  Unknown: well just say it so people will know,
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  it's on Amazon. If you type in my name brentallenwinterscommonlawyer
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  dot com, it'll come up with the other books that are there and
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  you can listen to it. About thirty hours all told of
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  oral presentations
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  going through Magna Carta. The things you've mentioned about due process process came back to me in my memory. That's been a few years ago now but the things that I was able to say about habeas corpus especially and how that problem was handled before the habeas corpus act and that's proof too that particular habeas corpus act.
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  People say well common law is court decisions and even the patriot community makes big thing about that. Well it can be but it also can be legislation.
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  Every person has a duty and their station in life to discern
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  what the laws of nature unwritten in the nature of things are in our common law, that's what it is and no less our legislatures have that duty just like our courts and our juries
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  and also our executives,
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  our presidents and our governors and then every one of us have a duty every moment of every day to determine
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  what is right and what is wrong and it is the individual responsibility.
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  We don't wait for government to tell us and give us permission to act. We...
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  If there is no law against it in America and then our senses we realize it's right, we have a duty to act and be impetuous in that way, impetuous in the right way, not the wrong way to be
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  well,
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  to be bold and just to use a simple word. I appreciate it. Thank you very much.
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  Unknown: Roger
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  Belligerent.
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  Unknown: Belligerent is a good Thank
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  Unknown: you and I actually had a question and I know it's off topic, is it okay if I ask an off topic question? It certainly is for a lady that's been gone for all these years that's come back home.
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  That's right. So
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  I'm...
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  I want to understand this well enough that I can use it with my grandchildren.
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  And
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  I... After listening to your tapes, my husband and I just recently took a trip, and we listened
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  to all of the series on the trip. Uh-huh. So he is listening to it too, but I really wanna be able to
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  make sure that some of this rubs off on my grandchildren.
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  And just yesterday,
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  my granddaughter said... She was teasing my daughter, and she said, you know, I'm just gonna call the police on you. And I went,
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  no. You never do that.
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  Yeah. But then I I told her why because I just heard it in your in your voice on the Magna Carta series that, you know,
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  you call in. Well, they might go and handle that person but then your name is there.
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  Unknown: Yeah. That's right. And
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  Unknown: they come after you. Oh, they don't care. Know.
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  Yeah. So I told her that. And, of course, you know, I don't know where she got it, probably in school.
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  But
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  I just
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  you know, like it just slipped out. No. No. No. No. You never do that. Not even joking.
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  Unknown: No. It it shouldn't be joked about. I agree. And they are hearing it at school. They're hearing it from teachers. They're hearing it from their schoolmates that it's part of the culture. But whoever
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  you take, whoever you rely upon, whoever you call upon to protect you is your master.
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  You want these perverts that put on uniforms and are professional thumpers
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  and I said people say, oh not all of them are perverts. Well, that the burdens on them at this point as bad as it's getting. Government employees are not our friends anymore. I think that's clear. They've proven that and we don't need to be abusive toward them. Maybe that'll change. We're seeing things in the courts or that'll change but for now,
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  we need to just relax and
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  hope that they leave us alone, stay away from them and not
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  inflame them, not call them names, not fight them even.
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  You won't win doing that. The true weapons are the ones that God gives us. Number one among those is the right to remain silent.
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  That gets them. They can't do anything with a person that won't talk. So don't talk to them and just be kind but leery. As Jesus Christ put it when He said treat them as heathens and tax collectors, He didn't mean attack them. What He meant was
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  just when you see them, you might want to go the other way. You might want to just quietly
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  be left alone and IRS agents, tax collectors, policemen
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  and they all support each other. Are there exceptions? Yes there are and I know them and they've gotten it in their heads but a lot of them that are exceptions have felt the force and the ugliness of the blackjack and the gun of government themselves
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  and they've come in and abused them personally and then all of a sudden you realize that these folk are not nice folk. If they want to keep their jobs, they're gonna do what they're told. That's what it comes down to. Back to you. They're working under the presumption. They're reinforcing the presumption
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  Unknown: by intimidation,
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  which is nothing more as you're hearing right in this discussion than fear and people that are scared of them, which is a direct lack of power.
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  Exactly what Brent said is exactly what I heard from pastor Peters years ago that struck me so hard, you serve the one you fear.
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  Unknown: That's right and the Bible makes it clear that the fear
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  of
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  the Lord,
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  Yehreth Yahweh or Yehreth Yahweh,
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  the fear of the Lord is the beginning
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  of true wisdom.
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  And I add the word true because there's only one kind of wisdom that's worth having, that's true wisdom, that's not in the text, it's chachma.
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  But with that, the opposite of that is and the Bible says this too, the fear of man,
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  brings a snare.
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  So if you... You only have two choices in life. Either you're fearing some other man or fearing yourself, you're a man, you're part of mankind or you're fearing the maker of heaven and earth. That's all there is. You say, well I fear Satan. Well, he manifest himself through men. Satan does and that's the way he works. It all comes down to who you're afraid of. You know if you add up, I've heard it said, I've never counted but I think I see it so often. If you add up all of the statements in the Bible and the written Word of God, the laws of nature is God, all of the statements that tell us not to be afraid, fear not, be not afraid, it would outnumber all of the other commandments
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  put together.
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  I'm gonna count them sometime but if that's true,
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  even if it's not true, it's said a lot. It only need to be said once to be true but it's said a lot
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  and it is a very kind.
• 27:33
  Whenever God says it, He says it in a kind and measured way. It's translated fear not but what it really is in the subjective almost always in the older testament and newer testament and the Greek and Hebrew tongue and it should be understood,
• 27:47
  you ought not fear. Relax,
• 27:49
  you ought not fear. It's not hard command. Fear not. No, he didn't say that. You ought not fear, it's more of a compassionate command.
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  Do not be afraid. Sometimes you can translate,
• 28:01
  don't be scared. It's in the passive. Don't be scared.
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  Well, He's telling us to do that and it's said over and over again, that tells me that He knows that that's gonna be our problem and indeed it is. That's our problem. Back to you. It's that scare.
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  Unknown: Don't
• 28:16
  be scared.
• 28:17
  Go ahead, Kev.
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  Unknown: Yes.
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  Unknown: And I was wondering if I could ask all three of you a question and it... And and I'm... It is off topic if... So one
• 28:30
  of the things that drew me in, again, to start listening to Roger again
• 28:36
  and,
• 28:37
  you know, go and listen to the Magna Carta series is the...
• 28:43
  Trump recently
• 28:45
  signed the school safety commission. I don't know if you're aware of that.
• 28:50
  And on page... You know, it sounds so good, but on page 89
• 28:55
  of that commission,
• 28:57
  he encourages
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  encourages
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  I'm not sure that's the right word. But he encourages all states
• 29:06
  to pass red flag laws within...
• 29:09
  Another word, incentive...
• 29:12
  Financial incentive to do so.
• 29:15
  And
• 29:17
  upon looking at the red flag laws, this sent me into some research.
• 29:22
  On looking at the red flag laws, they're extremely
• 29:25
  unconstitutional.
• 29:27
  Not only the second amendment, but the fourth and fifth and and even, I believe, the sixth, maybe the fourteenth as well.
• 29:34
  Extremely unconstitutional,
• 29:36
  these red flag laws. And and, of course, they're going, well, we're gonna take the guns.
• 29:40
  And then
• 29:42
  you can have due process, but, of course, you're guilty until truth proven innocent, and then you have to go...
• 29:48
  Etcetera.
• 29:49
  It's it's just not due process.
• 29:52
  I was wondering,
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  and here's my question. I was wondering, really,
• 29:58
  what
• 29:59
  the three of you think about this. Is this...
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  I've been a Trump supporter.
• 30:05
  I really have been. I I see that he... He's been doing some good things, and I thought he was really
• 30:11
  a man of god,
• 30:13
  really.
• 30:14
  But this red flag law
• 30:17
  has really raised its head, and now I see that there are other things
• 30:23
  that that happened,
• 30:25
  like, recently
• 30:26
  with the the border that that
• 30:29
  money bill that he signed
• 30:31
  that had a a phrase in it, a section, and I can't remember the exact section. They had a section that would empower,
• 30:40
  what what are they called? They're people who traffic children,
• 30:44
  the child child traffickers,
• 30:46
  and it would encourage them
• 30:48
  and and make it very hard to prosecute them.
• 30:52
  And he signed it, and that set another flag up for me. And I just wanted to ask your opinions
• 30:59
  on
• 31:01
  what's happening with the red flag laws, what's happening with Trump.
• 31:05
  I'm... I have
• 31:08
  many,
• 31:09
  doubts now entering into my head about this.
• 31:13
  Anyway, so that's my question and
• 31:16
  Unknown: really soliciting opinion. Kay, can I thank you for giving us the topic that'll take up the rest of the program?
• 31:24
  Unknown: Oh god.
• 31:27
  Unknown: Let me... Before we launch on that, I'll let y'all ruminate on that for a second. I want to tell Kay and the audience and share the experience, your compliment to Brent,
• 31:38
  it was a real compliment to me too, and I want to tell you why.
• 31:44
  And that is because I remember eight years or so ago in the early days when you and I had
• 31:50
  a lot of communication and you stumbled onto us and got into these concepts and you
• 31:56
  walked I think you'd been in a house fight, hadn't you? Weren't you in the foreclosure thing in Yes. Or
• 32:03
  then you
• 32:04
  Another eye opener. Right. And that was trial by fire
• 32:08
  of someone that's uninitiated
• 32:10
  and unexpected.
• 32:11
  Okay, so they got scarred pretty good in that. And then you disappeared for a few years. I knew what you were doing, you're busy, your books are still coming out because you send me emails on them and stuff,
• 32:24
  and now you've resurfaced here, and you come on the show today,
• 32:28
  and you're so articulate, and it's such a joy to have you back, but what you said was I was teaching my grandchildren,
• 32:37
  okay, and that is
• 32:40
  what really presses my buttons because I know how important this information is we cover and the real importance of it is not now. We're not going to overturn this system, we're not supposed to. We're supposed to come out of her and she falls under her own weight, you know, give a monkey enough rope and they'll hang themselves every time.
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  But we are supposed to be
• 33:02
  protectors and understanders and practicers of this knowledge and this way of life and at some point when the dust settles in the future is when these seeds that are planted, I think, will bloom, but to see that people are passing it along to their children,
• 33:19
  our listener Bob, who calls in often, probably we'll hear from him today,
• 33:23
  his daughter, his teenage daughter,
• 33:25
  he's got two or three daughters, I think, and they're all being schooled in this, and it's really
• 33:31
  a great reward to me, and I would hope that John W.
• 33:36
  Benson is smiling up there because he's the guy. If it wasn't for him,
• 33:41
  none of this would be happening.
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  Unknown: That's right.
• 33:47
  That's right.
• 33:49
  Unknown: Well, I had not heard about this, but I do know this is where
• 33:54
  poll gets confusing.
• 33:57
  Such legislation, red flag law, was offered to Jerry Brown to sign. The California state legislature passed it. Jerry Brown vetoed it. Vetoed it. Really? Left wing... Yeah. Uh-huh. According to what I can see.
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  So you never know what's gonna happen and you never know how the next fellow in office will use something for a tool to do evil. For instance,
• 34:20
  the the wall. The wall that's being built down along the border.
• 34:24
  Folk don't stop to consider
• 34:26
  that that wall will keep people from getting out.
• 34:29
  When another president gets in power who is a communist and there are plenty of running now trying to get in the office, they'll they'll be able to use that wall to keep people from escaping
• 34:39
  until they do to them what they want to do to them. The way it is now, we can run it... Not that I've ever done it but people can run across the border and the Mexicans don't care.
• 34:48
  They're not guarding their border much. They don't care. We do care and that's good but there's a balance in all this. I'm not saying one way or the other. I haven't studied the question. I just know this.
• 34:59
  The thing that can be used for good by one man,
• 35:02
  by one executive in office is just as often used for evil by the next and in this
• 35:09
  red flag laws,
• 35:11
  this is this is nasty stuff. Very nasty. What it does is allows petitions to be submitted to
• 35:18
  people in government other than the courts to how... To allow guns to be taken away from people or any blasted thing else they want Allow to be done without due process of law. It comes back to fundamental to everything
• 35:31
  is due process of law. Our common law is not a list of laws. Our common law is due process. It doesn't include due process. Its most fundamental and overarching feature
• 35:41
  is due process and the phrase
• 35:44
  law of the land
• 35:45
  in our constitution includes that in Article six lifted from
• 35:51
  sections or chapter 39 Magna Carta, law of the land, lextera
• 35:56
  means
• 35:57
  due process. That's all it's ever meant. That's what it means now. Of course what our constitution is saying when it says that is same thing Magna Carta was saying that it says that this constitution is the supreme law of the land. What it's saying is this is the supreme
• 36:11
  way,
• 36:12
  manner
• 36:13
  of doing things that our federal government has. This is how we elect our senators, our representatives, our president. This is how the electoral college
• 36:22
  works. This is how the courts work.
• 36:25
  Issue warrants.
• 36:27
  It's a restriction at every place on what government is to be doing, how government is to operate, the relationships between the branches of government and between
• 36:36
  the government and the private sector.
• 36:38
  It's a document about how,
• 36:41
  not what. In that sense, it is not a list of laws, it is a list of due process. The how we should do things and that due process is the most fundamental
• 36:51
  controlling
• 36:52
  important
• 36:53
  right or constitution list and it says this, no man's life,
• 36:57
  liberty
• 36:58
  or property and that's all you've got in this life of those three things. That's it.
• 37:02
  None of those can be taken or a combination of them can be taken it says without what? Without due process of law. Due process, what is that? It is the process that is due and owing to all concern. It is the course, the way, the manner. No mystery then, our Bible says that
• 37:21
  Jesus Christ said of himself. I am John fourteen six, I am the way, not a way. The way, odos in the Greek tongue. That means that's what was written in. That means a roadway. I'm the course. I'm the path. I'm the process that is to be followed. Follow me, he says. Do things the way I do things and do what I tell you to do. Well, he was the living law of God, the living Torah, the way the word Torah in the verb form means it means way pointed out with the index finger. It's all about the process. God's way is his way. It is not, it's His manner, it is not a list of do's and don'ts. Does He include those? Yes, He does. He does but they're not in the command mode. They're just first principles of end results that we should never violate but the only way to get to those end results, that's why Jesus Christ put it this way. He said this,
• 38:10
  or the older testament says it and He repeated it in the newer testament, Matthew 18.
• 38:15
  God says to the magistrates and the jurors of Israel, He said,
• 38:19
  just follow the process.
• 38:21
  Follow the process, do not be afraid. Here that is again Roger. Do not be afraid of the faces of any man. Don't be intimidated when you're in that position as juror or judge.
• 38:32
  Do not be afraid because if you follow my due process, the judgment isn't yours. The result is foregone.
• 38:38
  It's mine. The judgment is mine. Don't take credit for it. You're not the one that's doing this if you follow due process and that's what our common law has always said as well and it undergirds the Bible. The Bible undergirds our common law. The laws of nature are unwritten in the nature of things, that's our common law and the laws of nature is God written in the Bible. That phrase refers to as Blackstone calls it, revealed religion, the Bible.
• 39:02
  Go ahead.
• 39:04
  Unknown: Okay. Wanted to remind you that all of those red flag laws and all those other regulations and all that stuff with the exception of two sections
• 39:13
  are all written for residents.
• 39:17
  Unknown: I could add a little to this conversation.
• 39:20
  Unknown: Yeah,
• 39:21
  just hold on a second. Let me explore that. Chris, I'll turn right to you. And that's the whole basis of what we do and Brent mentioned it earlier, I interjected belligerent.
• 39:30
  That was from
• 39:32
  an appellate level judge that I respect named Learned Hand,
• 39:36
  and paraphrasing
• 39:38
  his statement here, To claim one's rights,
• 39:42
  one must be a belligerent claimant.
• 39:44
  And you've got to understand
• 39:47
  this stuff to the point of where you've got confidence
• 39:49
  that you can stand on your feet and get in front of somebody and say no,
• 39:54
  and here's why.
• 39:56
  And that's what all of this is about, file in the affidavit,
• 39:59
  if you wanted to at your local level,
• 40:03
  put it into the property records
• 40:05
  roles there locally,
• 40:07
  even deliver a copy to the sheriff and put them all on what are you doing? You're exercising the front end to due process.
• 40:15
  You're giving them notice
• 40:17
  and a right to
• 40:20
  address it if they want to,
• 40:22
  but they won't because they've been caught in fraud. And see this is our advantage but you got to have strong
• 40:28
  individuals to do this.
• 40:30
  This is not for the willy nilly.
• 40:35
  Unknown: Chris?
• 40:40
  Unknown: You First and foremost, I wanna say thank you, Kaye, for coming along. You have a bright,
• 40:47
  endearing voice,
• 40:48
  and you speak well. And I really appreciate having another womanly voice on the call.
• 40:55
  Having been a
• 40:57
  victim of these red flag laws and the most egregious
• 41:01
  abuse
• 41:02
  of governmental authority and prosecutorial
• 41:05
  discretion
• 41:05
  and agency
• 41:07
  process
• 41:07
  or lack of process,
• 41:10
  I have discovered regretfully
• 41:13
  that the DCF agencies
• 41:15
  and most of these traffic commissions are are
• 41:19
  absolutely
• 41:22
  obliterating. They're antithetical to due process.
• 41:25
  They
• 41:26
  presume
• 41:27
  without any basis whatsoever
• 41:29
  that people come before them are fair, neutral, unbiased
• 41:34
  witness
• 41:36
  claimant.
• 41:37
  When in fact, nothing could be farther from the truth.
• 41:41
  A vindictive hostile
• 41:43
  former ex wife. We all know the concept that hell has no fury like a woman who's scorned or merely thinks she's been scorned or even a man who thinks she's been scorned.
• 41:54
  And when they come posing
• 41:56
  as the pair neutral
• 41:58
  victim,
• 41:59
  when truly they are the perpetrator or an undercover operative agent working with the police
• 42:05
  coming before these administrative hearing officers, masquerading,
• 42:09
  impersonating
• 42:10
  as judges
• 42:11
  who are
• 42:13
  subject to the county commission's
• 42:16
  chief district attorney who has absolute
• 42:20
  full control over all agencies of
• 42:23
  county.
• 42:25
  It becomes a very, very dangerous concept of freedom and liberty
• 42:29
  because there is no due press process whatsoever.
• 42:34
  No substantial justice. They are totally obliterated
• 42:37
  of the law of the land,
• 42:39
  and they are operating as private or private profit corporations.
• 42:45
  Therefore, they cannot be fair, neutral, nor unbiased because of substantial financial and other self serving answers. Thank you so very I'll give you a little thumbnail background. Chris lives out in Las Vegas
• 42:58
  Unknown: and we weed in somebody's Cheerios along the way and they have a big vendetta for this guy.
• 43:05
  At one point, they stacked the county commission with nepotism
• 43:09
  and got him sent off to the Funny Farm in Northern Nevada for thirty, sixty days or something,
• 43:16
  and one of the reasons he got out is because
• 43:20
  he called the radio show and we had him on for two hours
• 43:23
  because you could call in to the phone. He couldn't call out and we had him and he got this other guy in there who they'd framed
• 43:32
  and on on murder charges or something of his girlfriend, they murdered his girlfriend, best I remember,
• 43:38
  and they were out the next day.
• 43:43
  Unknown: Wow.
• 43:45
  Unknown: Roger? Yes.
• 43:47
  Unknown: This is Brent. I'd like to make a correction. I've been corrected. My best friend contacted me
• 43:53
  and my best friend handles most everything that I have and is privy to all that I do
• 43:59
  and my best friend
• 44:03
  reminded me that it was not somebody out West that suggested I
• 44:07
  do these recordings. It was somebody out West in Montana suggested I write a piece on Magna Carta
• 44:13
  and it became... It went to the internet and posted and it's gone around and it's a brief piece and he did that but then right after that, he's the one that said it was eight hundredth anniversary.
• 44:23
  Right after that, our good friend Greg Abbey is the one and I remember now. He's the one that suggested to me that I do
• 44:30
  an audio series on Magna Carta that year. So I appreciate this. How... That's how things work together and it worked together great that we were able to do that. This red flag law back to the... This is important. I'm so glad it came up. This red flag law allows people to go into court and not just the legislative or the executive
• 44:49
  but go into court and prove according to the law in most cases
• 44:54
  by clear and convincing evidence.
• 44:57
  Not beyond a reasonable doubt
• 45:00
  but not
• 45:01
  just by the preponderance of the evidence. It's a standard that's between the two, clear and convincing which is an equitable standard. That's the standard of equity. That's the standard of trust law
• 45:12
  and family law. Clear and convincing.
• 45:14
  To take away a fundamental right, you need more than clear and convincing evidence but that's what these laws say
• 45:21
  and that's what they're pushing and they're taking away guns and 63%
• 45:25
  of cases according to what I read, I just pulled it up.
• 45:28
  Guns are taken from the people that these petitions are filed against.
• 45:33
  In most of the cases, guns are taken
• 45:36
  and it's ex parte. Oh, I gotta say that. It's ex parte hearing in many cases. That means the only people that are in there, the people that are complaining and the government. They don't always notify
• 45:46
  the fellow whose guns they're taking and he doesn't know about it till they show up on his doorstep with a SWAT team.
• 45:52
  This is police state tactics.
• 45:54
  This is not what The United States and our law and our traditions are about and if we succumb,
• 46:00
  is that the way you say that succumb?
• 46:02
  Yes. I like the word
• 46:05
  scum. Yeah, scum, fish. You know if we end up giving into that then it'll just get worse.
• 46:13
  And if these people that don't show up to these hearings, often the people that are accused don't show up. Well if they know about the hearing, they don't show up and a lot of cases they don't show up because to show up is to submit to a process that's unlawful. It is to give credence to an egregious violation of fundamental rights. I like to say this to those that are worried and scared
• 46:34
  of other people like we all are at different times.
• 46:37
  Freedom
• 46:38
  is dangerous.
• 46:40
  It's dangerous.
• 46:41
  It allows people to do what they believe is right without the intrusion of government but the alternative
• 46:48
  to freedom
• 46:49
  is unthinkable.
• 46:51
  You want to talk about danger? You want to talk about abuse? You want to talk about the ugliness of power?
• 46:57
  Just look at the countries in South America, Roger and I know you live down there. You know this. Look at what they can do to you if they want to do it. I had a person say to me recently that's from South America, well they don't do that in my country. No they don't. They don't. They don't have to but when they want to, the law says that the government has the authority
• 47:17
  to do that and most civil
• 47:20
  law countries, law of the city countries
• 47:22
  as opposed to our common law country,
• 47:25
  they
• 47:27
  seldom do that. They just they tell people for example, Russia. All the communist countries are city law countries. The freedom of religion act in Russia during all of its communist communist days
• 47:39
  makes our first amendment look mild,
• 47:42
  utterly mild.
• 47:43
  Well they do that kind of thing. I had a guy who helped me recently said, you don't know anything about the law of the city and the code of Justinian. He said, you go to region, you'll find that all these things you're saying they don't have, it's all in there. Well no, that's true in a lot of cases. It's true in a lot of countries of the world but it doesn't mean anything to them. They never use it because there's a clause in there. There's an understanding. There's a tradition that is overarching everything that says the government can do anything they want if they think it's necessary. Just like these red flag laws. You say, oh we have the right to keep and bear arms and they shall not be infringed
• 48:15
  except
• 48:16
  if the government says so. That's the way it is in every country on the faces of our planet. Don't you remember? I appeal to people that remember
• 48:24
  that book
• 48:25
  about
• 48:26
  oh it was written by a communist who finally said communism is dangerous and he was an Englishman
• 48:32
  and he wrote a book Animal Farm, Roger. Oh yeah yeah yeah.
• 48:36
  Remember Animal Farm? Well in Animal Farm of course they wrote down the rules and they were up on the wall the 10 commandments. It wasn't the 10 commandments but something like that and it said thou shalt not kill.
• 48:47
  Well of course, they came along later and changed it and thou shalt not kill
• 48:51
  unless necessary.
• 48:53
  Well who gets to decide what necessary?
• 48:55
  The government. That's the way it is all over the world. We don't have that. And to say that we're gonna
• 49:00
  submit to that kind of exception
• 49:02
  will destroy us. Well... Oh but these are dangerous. We'll have an exception. Go ahead Roger. The synopsis
• 49:08
  Unknown: statement of animal farm to me is some pigs are more equal than others
• 49:13
  and
• 49:14
  we see that evidence in front of us every day.
• 49:19
  Unknown: I might fill in a blank.
• 49:21
  Unknown: Okay, I'll tell you something personal for me with mister Trump is I I went in with his presidency and I was optimistic.
• 49:29
  I I agree with you. I think he's done some good things. He has a good, just a good impression to me. Trump does.
• 49:36
  And yeah, he's been in the gutter fighting in that high end level of business in that arena.
• 49:43
  But what disappoints me the most,
• 49:47
  I guess you could say,
• 49:49
  I watched an interview with a real famous liberal
• 49:52
  Israeli
• 49:54
  columnist.
• 49:55
  He's a long established on the editor board of Heritz,
• 49:59
  and I can't remember his name, but he's a really
• 50:02
  honest, straightforward guy and addresses those problems over there. And in an interview he said,
• 50:08
  You know, it's funny,
• 50:10
  in my country is the only country of the world where your president is liked,
• 50:15
  and
• 50:16
  your country is the only country in the world where our president is liked,
• 50:21
  okay?
• 50:22
  And I hate getting I hate them getting into bed like he has his daughter, is converted,
• 50:28
  the Kushner Jared, the
• 50:31
  some of the Jewish community are wondering if he's the new Messiah.
• 50:35
  Okay, I don't know if you know that. I heard that. Okay and and the Jerusalem thing and now the the Dolan Heights thing and they're even going to name a city in Israel for Trump. Saw that story this week and
• 50:49
  I just cringe with them getting into bed that deep with these people and it shows you who's running the show.
• 50:56
  And I don't think he intentionally I don't think he intentionally went in. I think he went into this totally naive
• 51:03
  and I think he's been real schooled in the first two years. Can I put it that way?
• 51:10
  Unknown: Yes.
• 51:12
  I wanted to ask too, do you think
• 51:15
  of all three of you, do you think they're trying to redefine
• 51:19
  the definition
• 51:20
  of due process?
• 51:23
  Unknown: Why? I think so. Well, no no question. But what they do is the evil empire always does the same thing. It's all about policy. It's all about the politics.
• 51:32
  It's all about policy.
• 51:33
  Oh, yes. We have not changed the definition of due process. We're just better defining it. We're saying that and they like to scream about Justice,
• 51:43
  what's his name, Justice Holmes was the famous Justice that
• 51:47
  was on the Supreme Court. Teddy Roosevelt had appointed him about
• 51:52
  during his term right after the turn of the century. He was a civil war veteran
• 51:56
  and his father was a famous poet and medical doctor and
• 52:00
  Holmes was set on the court up until the nineteen thirties and
• 52:05
  he did a lot of nasty things but he was a good writer and so people liked him, oh that guy can write and we remember the phrases he used but he's the one that said
• 52:13
  that freedom of speech stops
• 52:16
  at some point
• 52:17
  because
• 52:18
  it's against the law to cry fire,
• 52:22
  fire
• 52:23
  in a crowded theater where there is no fire. It's against the law. Well that is an extreme exception. Of course, it's an exception but that becomes the rule and when people want to talk about restricting the free speech of folk like me that say things they don't like, they use that case and it becomes the exception just like an abortion, same thing. Well, what if the woman was raped?
• 52:44
  Does that happen? Oh, it has happened. Does it ever happen? Hardly ever. No, no. And then that becomes the rule. Well, we have to allow abortion because some women are raped. Well that's ridiculous of course and that's a violation.
• 52:56
  As Justice...
• 52:59
  Oh so many names, does it make any difference what his name was? He said it, it was true.
• 53:03
  He was the
• 53:07
  chancellor of England, the chief judge of England and he was an enemy of Sir Edward Coke,
• 53:13
  another judge who got thrown in jail a few times for supporting the common law but he said this, he said the exception to the rule, the exception to the rule of common law establishes
• 53:25
  the rule in cases
• 53:27
  not accepted.
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  The exception to the rule establishes
• 53:31
  the rule in those cases not accepted. What he's saying of course is there are so few exceptions that it strengthens the rule because really what you're doing when you have it, a true exception, you're whittling off
• 53:41
  something that has nothing to do with the rule and what it applies to but you whittle it off and that strengthens the rule. It becomes more powerful. I'm seeing positive things happen Roger. Some of these cases that are coming down to me now from the federal courts.
• 53:54
  I was saying even the other day, well for all the screaming and hollering there is about capital letters, capital letters
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  and how that's
• 54:02
  indicates
• 54:03
  something of the evil empire and that that's a corporate person and on and on and on and but I read the articles,
• 54:09
  the seventh appellate circuit, I've been in that circuit, I've read the articles of local rules and they discourage the use of capital letters. They discourage the use of capital letters in pleadings that lawyers file. Now some people say, that just applies to the headings or that just applies to the text.
• 54:25
  Whatever applies to, they're discouraging the use of capital letters. That says quite a bit. Yeah. Things I I think, I feel a change. I feel a turn. Let me do this and I'm gonna stop talking. Let me do this. Let me cite some of the states that have red flag laws. There's not that many. Let's see. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, 13, about 14. Let's see. California,
• 54:46
  they finally got it through somehow.
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  Oregon,
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  Washington,
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  Colorado,
• 54:53
  and the Bobsie Twins over here, Illinois and Indiana,
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  Florida,
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  Maryland,
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  New Jersey,
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  New York,
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  Connecticut,
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  Rhode Island,
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  Massachusetts,
• 55:08
  Vermont
• 55:09
  and New York. So it's the the New England states, the ones that are so left wing that not New Hampshire and Maine, those are pretty nice places. Illinois and Indiana have been leaders in this for some reason especially Indiana which is odd
• 55:23
  but they have been. Colorado, Florida, California,
• 55:26
  the Left Coast. The Left Coast and the New England intellectuals.
• 55:31
  Unknown: And all of the main states that
• 55:34
  the
• 55:35
  Zionist lobby is... Has has a stronghold in.
• 55:41
  Unknown: Yes. Uh-huh. No way. That's true. And Colorado Colorado being now one of them, this fellow I told you about in Montana that encouraged me to write this article on
• 55:53
  anniversary.
• 55:54
  He's a long time Colorado native native but he no longer lives there. He... His father lived there, his grandparents, his mother, him and his eight, ten brothers, however many it was and sisters.
• 56:04
  He got out and he said John Denver ruined Colorado and he wasn't joking.
• 56:09
  He said he ruined it with all those goofy songs he sang and everybody wants to come to Colorado.
• 56:15
  Well he said bottom line,
• 56:17
  we had a good thing going there. We had plenty of room and very conservative state. Now it's filled with Californians. Go ahead. They say the movie easy easy ride or ruin Mardi Gras too.
• 56:30
  Well, no, I can believe that. People,
• 56:33
  their songs are... Listen,
• 56:34
  the heretics of the early church in the first, the second and the third century,
• 56:39
  you go back and look at who they really were
• 56:41
  and they were songsters,
• 56:43
  balladeers
• 56:44
  who decided they want wanted to be theologians and most of them were Jewish.
• 56:48
  Jewish
• 56:49
  songsters, Jewish joysters
• 56:52
  and then they took upon themselves, they wanted to dictate and they knew as did Woody Guthrie,
• 56:58
  as did
• 57:01
  communist Chinese.
• 57:03
  They learned
• 57:04
  what really moves people and and of course the
• 57:08
  the folk...
• 57:09
  The folk song movement in America beginning with Woody Guthrie and then Burl Ives. Although Burl was never connected to communism, Woody Guthrie was a hardcore communist. No question. And he didn't... He wasn't shy about it as... But the songs and rock and roll, rock and roll has been used to divert
• 57:27
  the minds, distract of young people and old people and promote communism.
• 57:32
  There's no question about that and there are books written on the subject if people have time to read them. One of the most stabbing books I've read on it that just directly dealt with it was a book called The Marxist Minstrels.
• 57:43
  The Marxist Minstrels.
• 57:45
  I didn't realize a man could compile so much information and detail about so many people in one place and cite the sources. The Marxist minstrels and he cites the history of the folk
• 57:56
  song movement back in the late fifties and early sixties, the Kingston Trio, the Weavers.
• 58:03
  Who was that famous?
• 58:04
  Seger, Pete Seger. And these are nice people. They're nice people but for crying out loud, Pete Seeger was a communist.
• 58:11
  I like to listen to him sing and I even enjoy listening to him talk but as I say, he was a communist
• 58:18
  and very dangerous people and they realized the power of music and song.
• 58:23
  Unknown: It's no accident of course that our own maker, our God, our law giver, he includes song in his revelation to us. The poetic books or songs and they're beautiful songs. Go ahead, Roger. Well, I was gonna say of course my personal involvement in this is when, you know, I stumbled into the big time record business for a number of years there when I was in my 20s
• 58:42
  and I was just a little kid from the beach, you know, growing up in the Air Force, moved around and here I end up covering
• 58:49
  four and a half states for major label and in my early 20s I could open any door in four and a half states with a phone call.
• 58:58
  And I used to marvel at
• 59:01
  the power of that. The average
• 59:05
  guy can't pick up the phone, get a hold of the mayor or the governor.
• 59:09
  I could.
• 59:11
  Know, setting
• 59:13
  the power. Yeah, setting up promotions. Hey, I'd like to see if we can do this, that, and all that kind of stuff and it amazed me, you know, really
• 59:21
  and and then I saw the power
• 59:23
  of the music applied to the society
• 59:27
  and
• 59:28
  how people reacted
• 59:30
  to all that and the just that whole scene for ten years and then after doing it for ten years, I felt real dirty.
• 59:37
  Go ahead, Chris.
• 59:40
  Unknown: Well, you know, for
• 59:42
  Kay, Brent, and yourself, Roger, in particular to this
• 59:46
  word term, being that I'm kind of a word guy here, music,
• 59:50
  if we turn it around a little bit, the two elemental components,
• 59:54
  mu and sick,
• 59:55
  I think sick means death. So it could be the death of mu.
• 1:00:00
  And that may be what we're actually seeing because these songs that lead us off the cliff, kinda like the lemmings, if you will, to destruction
• 1:00:09
  and remembering who the destroyers are as it were.
• 1:00:13
  To hyper accentuate your point on the red flag laws,
• 1:00:16
  to shift gears a little bit,
• 1:00:18
  whenever they serve me with my supposed
• 1:00:22
  emergency temporary restraining order, red flag notice, by
• 1:00:27
  one of the highly conflicted and extremely biased
• 1:00:31
  hating me animus,
• 1:00:34
  fatal defective detective Kenneth Meade,
• 1:00:36
  when I was in maximum security.
• 1:00:39
  And I I...
• 1:00:42
  They handed it to me through the slot in the door
• 1:00:44
  and wouldn't let me read it before I autographed it. I did preserve my rights
• 1:00:49
  and found out what it was,
• 1:00:51
  But I was not able to attend to defend. They never summoned me to
• 1:00:57
  enjoy my due process of law, substantial justice, and zealous defend, but I did send in an oppositional brief and a vermit and rebuttal
• 1:01:05
  that they didn't consider
• 1:01:07
  and pointed out what was eventually discovered
• 1:01:10
  just recently that my so called wife
• 1:01:13
  was working with the FBI and the undercover joint terrorism task force to destroy me.
• 1:01:20
  So that was kind of a material fact that we overlooked that had substance to the conversation.
• 1:01:26
  Unknown: Chris' situation is very unusual
• 1:01:31
  and the repercussions from it, and we'd sure like to see him get out of it and extricate
• 1:01:40
  yourself from it and any help we can give him. He's a regular around here and
• 1:01:46
  we've been dealing with his stuff for a couple of years now, man. Yours is just such an ongoing.
• 1:01:52
  I I I don't know of anybody I've seen a regular person that they are are after with as much vengeance and stuff as as our friend Chris here and he's a former law enforcement. I've never heard of him. I've never heard him. He's a former. He has law enforcement training and all kinds of stuff in his background.
• 1:02:08
  So it's pretty interesting, you know.
• 1:02:12
  Unknown: Right,
• 1:02:14
  Roger. But I'd
• 1:02:15
  like to caution everybody I care about.
• 1:02:18
  If you really believe the truth
• 1:02:20
  and this would apply to Chris because I I see that he didn't go looking for this. No. And if you really believe the truth, you don't have to go looking for trouble. They'll come looking for you soon enough. Don't go looking for them. Don't try to tweak their nose. Don't try to upset them. As I've said a while ago, do what the savior of the world said and just try to avoid them. When you see them, just go the other way. Don't don't antagonize
• 1:02:42
  anybody. Don't tweak their noses.
• 1:02:45
  Don't stand up and say you're ready to square off with them. He tells us point blank, don't do that. Do not square off with evil or the evil one he says or the evil idiots
• 1:02:54
  of the evil empire. Do not do that. But back to your your idea about muse, of course, you're always getting to the roots of words and I'm like you, I'm a word man. I attach the highest support importance to words because when men lose the meanings of words, they lose their lives, their liberties, or in their properties. That's been proven throughout history. The word music.
• 1:03:11
  The word music is related to the Greek
• 1:03:14
  word
• 1:03:15
  for muse.
• 1:03:16
  The muses were a Greek mythological
• 1:03:21
  creatures
• 1:03:22
  but muse fundamentally in the Greek tongue, the word muse means to waste time. That's what it means.
• 1:03:28
  The muses were supposed to
• 1:03:30
  to be the goddesses.
• 1:03:32
  You know, if you muse over something, you're just kinda floating and meditating over it and meditating, that's not a good word but you're thinking about it but you're wasting time.
• 1:03:41
  That's the fundamental meaning of the word but that does not mean. That does not mean that that is the meaning we give to it today. Can it be a waste of time? Probably in most cases it is. But there is music that is uplifting
• 1:03:52
  and important that's why our God himself includes music in his written revelation. He's the God of music and music is mathematics applied to
• 1:04:01
  the physical world and it's the most precise mathematics and Pythagoras proved that, a Greek himself.
• 1:04:07
  But just to make mention of it, it is important but musing
• 1:04:10
  today is a waste of time in most instances if you're not involved
• 1:04:15
  in listening and like the Bible says, speak to yourself when you have time on your hands. Speak to yourselves in Psalms
• 1:04:23
  and hymns
• 1:04:24
  and music
• 1:04:25
  of the spirit
• 1:04:27
  that is produced by the gumption breath of the maker of heaven and earth himself and it is in you. And if you believe the truth, the good news and it is good news, it's good, it's not bad, it's good. And that God has forgiven you of all of your law breaking and you don't have to worry about that anymore and you can't commend yourself to Him by doing good things and there's nothing you can add to what God has said but he wants you to but you can't add anything to it. It pleases him. If you have that, you want to do right. And then the music, the music, the musing,
• 1:04:56
  the good music comes to your soul and enlightens your life, enlightens your insides, enlightens your outside. I know people like that.
• 1:05:04
  We used to sing in church when I was a kid. Deep
• 1:05:07
  within my heart, there is a melody
• 1:05:10
  and there is and it can come.
• 1:05:13
  We used to also when I was on the radio, Roger, we used to play a song that was sung by I think there were five brothers and all of them were blind and they were black men.
• 1:05:22
  And the name of the song is an old song. The name of it was There's Music Up Above My Head.
• 1:05:28
  I hear music up above my head.
• 1:05:31
  Wow. Clever. Well, music's an important thing. An important thing but most of it is dangerous. That's It's
• 1:05:37
  Unknown: way to communicate without words.
• 1:05:41
  Terrence, a good listener of ours has joined us from South Florida. Terrence, you got something to add? How you doing, man? How's Rex?
• 1:05:50
  Unknown: Oh, Rex is good.
• 1:05:52
  Doing okay. Now I'm working Sundays, so I miss playing on Sundays.
• 1:05:57
  So I wanted to ask Clint,
• 1:05:59
  and I hope this is in line with the conversation.
• 1:06:03
  Earlier this week, I was listening to you, and you were talking about
• 1:06:07
  the the fraud or the fallacy of voting in large areas, and he's talking about a gentleman that wrote about it years ago and I was
• 1:06:16
  asking you if you could remind me of
• 1:06:19
  Unknown: what you were speaking of. Was it me or was it... Well, you're talking to Brent. I'm sorry. Go ahead.
• 1:06:27
  Unknown: Well, maybe Roger
• 1:06:28
  Unknown: has been talking about it too but I know I have. It came up. Came... Darrell brought it up this week at some point and I was trying to recall and reference what he was saying but it wasn't to me so go ahead.
• 1:06:41
  Unknown: Well, Darrell did bring up the idea and spoke of himself that maybe
• 1:06:45
  he did, I don't know. But I know this, a lot of people bring up the idea that voting is a waste of time. You're just, it's a waterhole, there's no sense getting involved in it. It doesn't make any difference anyway. Is that true? Well as a matter of practicality
• 1:06:58
  in our political tradition now when we vote for candidates, it's pretty much true. That's right. And the reason I say that is proven to be true what
• 1:07:06
  our forebearers have said that were around when the constitution of The United States when they ratified it,
• 1:07:13
  they all believed and it was just understood that any representation of one man over 30,000
• 1:07:18
  people was no representation at all and they said that. Go back and read the documents, it's clear and that was the way the country started. If you have more than 30,000 people represented by one man, that becomes an impunus. There's no representation.
• 1:07:33
  So and what are we up to now? Well, we kept increasing the number of congressmen on in the federal
• 1:07:39
  general government in Washington DC
• 1:07:41
  until finally the congress said no no no. We can't just let this go on forever. We're gonna fix how many congressmen there are, there can be in The United States and they passed legislation that fixed it at what it is now, 435.
• 1:07:54
  But when I ran for congress back in the nineties,
• 1:07:57
  for every congressman,
• 1:07:59
  there was all over the country and the number was always the same. You had to draw your congressional districts according to rulings of the Supreme Court so every
• 1:08:07
  congressional district would represent the same number of people and it was just over 600,000
• 1:08:12
  people.
• 1:08:13
  Well that's undoable.
• 1:08:14
  You really don't have a congressman at that point but now Roger,
• 1:08:18
  it's way up over 700,000
• 1:08:21
  people and it's growing exponentially.
• 1:08:23
  Is there any representation? You don't believe it? Try writing a letter to your senator and see if he really gives you a meaningful response. No, he won't do that. It reminds me of that case of the fellow that was in the riding
• 1:08:37
  on an airline back in the days when they used to service meals. I remember when you'd ride on an airline, everybody got a meal when mealtime came. Breakfast or dinner time or or supper.
• 1:08:48
  That was a long time ago but in first class, you'd probably get it now but he got a meal and he... It was saran wrapped and he took the saran wrap off and he found a cockroach stuck in there.
• 1:08:59
  And he threw a
• 1:09:01
  wall eyed fit and he got off the plane, told off the stewardesses, told off
• 1:09:07
  the pilots, he wrote a letter to the company said, I want this correct right away. Well, they sent a letter back to him and
• 1:09:14
  they said,
• 1:09:15
  well, we fired both of the pilots,
• 1:09:19
  the copilot and the copilot of that air air flight that you were on. We filed all the... Fired all the stewardesses
• 1:09:27
  and we have stripped all the upholstery out of that airplane
• 1:09:31
  and fumigated the thing to make sure we get rid of all the cockroaches and vermin that may be aboard
• 1:09:37
  and if there's anything else we can do, please let us know. We are abundantly sorry
• 1:09:43
  and he
• 1:09:44
  took it and he threw it down on his desk and there was a sticky note on the back said, send this guy the standard apology letter.
• 1:09:52
  Know, in other words, that was just boilerplate.
• 1:09:56
  Well, that's what you get from your senator these days. I don't care how bad it gets. I don't care what wicked thing he's done or or a congressman, write them a letter and they probably won't even see it. They've set the policy, we're back to the polis. They've told their staff how to respond to this, that and the other and if a new situation arises, of course when he makes a vote that he knows everybody will hate that's unlawful,
• 1:10:16
  he's already got in place the letter that will be sent out to those that disagree
• 1:10:20
  and that's true with everything he does.
• 1:10:23
  Somebody else drafts up for him. I've often wondered, do you really think...
• 1:10:27
  I won't bring that up, I'm going too far afield but yeah, there's that representation
• 1:10:32
  Unknown: is too broad now to really matter even in our state legislatures. Go ahead. When I first got into this in Georgia, we used to go through those exercises
• 1:10:40
  and I remember somebody up in DC, and I don't know if it was Newt's office or whatever because Newt's office was a couple miles from my house.
• 1:10:49
  They said that, you know, that was the day of faxes in the early days of email,
• 1:10:54
  and they said, Listen, if you send us a fax or an email, it don't make any difference, we get thousands of them.
• 1:11:00
  But they said, The one thing we pay attention to is if somebody sits down and takes the time
• 1:11:07
  to handwrite
• 1:11:08
  and send us a postcard because
• 1:11:14
  we
• 1:11:15
  know that somebody really went to some effort to do that and we impute that there's at least 10 to 15 other people in the district that feel the same way.
• 1:11:26
  Unknown: I thought that was interesting. You make a point, Roger. No, you do make a point and these form letters that big organizations send out for people to sign and send or you go to the computer, click here if you agree or...
• 1:11:37
  That's right. That's utterly meaningless. I have had fellows in the state legislature tell me that if they get 10 to 12 or 20 personal letters on any particular point, they know that each one of those letters represents at least a couple of 100 people who feel the same way and that can make a difference for them. They still to some degree but most people don't have a clue what's going on and that hardly ever happens
• 1:12:01
  is what my experience with talking to people in politics is but I am seeing a bit of a change.
• 1:12:06
  For example, where we are around well the Wabash Valley, there are counties
• 1:12:11
  Illinois side that have made petition
• 1:12:13
  to the downstate in Southern Illinois have made a petition to the state legislature
• 1:12:18
  to be annexed to the state of Indiana.
• 1:12:22
  They want out and of course it would have to be approved by Congress but people are serious. I didn't know how serious it was until I started talking to people from back home. This is no small matter and they're getting lots of letters and three legislators I know, I'm hoping to see one
• 1:12:38
  this weekend. I wanna go... I just wanna see what he says about it. I've said seen some things on the internet. I know the guy personally
• 1:12:45
  and I wanna hear what he says about it. He's one that isn't behind the petition
• 1:12:50
  and
• 1:12:51
  things are changing. I really feel it, Roger. It's a grassroots,
• 1:12:56
  Unknown: Brandon. It really is. I'm cynical by nature. I've learned to be cynical for good reason. Well, I'm glad you feel the same way. Go ahead. Well, feel it. I just feel it in my bones but I see it in well, the new people coming and I just know there's an awareness out there and there's a point even, you know, the... I think the old thing was called the 100 monkey theory.
• 1:13:16
  Now you're you're familiar with that, right?
• 1:13:19
  Unknown: No,
• 1:13:20
  Unknown: that escapes me. Start talking. Alright, well they found a little island
• 1:13:26
  somewhere off in the Pacific that was uninhabited
• 1:13:29
  and the scientists went on there and they introduced
• 1:13:33
  tools
• 1:13:34
  to
• 1:13:35
  the local monkeys. And
• 1:13:37
  they went away and came back like a year or two years later and all the monkeys were using the tools.
• 1:13:44
  Now I'm not saying a hammer and
• 1:13:47
  saw, I'm talking about tools and the way they could do things and improve
• 1:13:51
  the way their little monkey lives are, okay? And so that's the 100 monkey theory,
• 1:13:57
  and
• 1:13:58
  it's just that sixth sense,
• 1:14:01
  it's that sixth sense where we communicate
• 1:14:04
  amongst ourselves
• 1:14:05
  without words.
• 1:14:07
  People sense.
• 1:14:08
  Now all of a sudden, they've known for a long time that something was wrong, but things are getting so egregious
• 1:14:15
  and to a point that they're starting to really look around and ask questions,
• 1:14:18
  and that's what we're doing here is we're establishing a platform
• 1:14:22
  where we've got this complex
• 1:14:25
  situation
• 1:14:26
  reduced down to a simple conceptual
• 1:14:29
  way of showing people what's going on, what's gone on,
• 1:14:34
  and hopefully how to get out of it if they so desire.
• 1:14:38
  And my
• 1:14:39
  role here is simply to let people know you got a choice because you never knew you had a choice before,
• 1:14:45
  alright? And Brent, I would transition from
• 1:14:48
  that into,
• 1:14:49
  and I want to thank, I've done it several times this week, I want to thank Chris again
• 1:14:54
  for sending me that email with that certificate of non citizen nationality
• 1:14:59
  from the State Department bulletin. Now I sent you a copy of it the other day, did you see it?
• 1:15:06
  In the email. Are you talking to me? Yeah, I was talking to Britt but I sent it to K2. No,
• 1:15:12
  Unknown: no, I didn't but obviously our listener wants that one too but Go ahead. I didn't catch that Roger. I'm sure it's there but you send me things and I go through them real quick and try to Well, all this time I've been doing this,
• 1:15:25
  Unknown: it's the clearest statement I've seen them make on what's going on. And they had to do it, but it's a backhanded way that they did it because this is a certificate that was evidently in the past at some point issued by the State Department
• 1:15:41
  that you were a non citizen national. Now
• 1:15:44
  it's aimed,
• 1:15:45
  I believe, at the American Samoas,
• 1:15:48
  but because of the fraud in us understanding what's going on, it incorporates
• 1:15:53
  us also.
• 1:15:54
  But in that document,
• 1:15:56
  official document from the State Department,
• 1:15:59
  they state in the first one part of a sentence of the paragraph because they got to set them apart now because as it says there,
• 1:16:07
  all US citizens are US nationals.
• 1:16:12
  But the other side is not all US nationals
• 1:16:16
  are US citizens.
• 1:16:20
  Unknown: I
• 1:16:22
  heard you say that on the radio.
• 1:16:26
  Unknown: To me, it's just so out front. I've never seen them put it like that that bluntly before. And of course, at the end of that document, what they're saying is, well, we don't produce these
• 1:16:37
  non citizen nationals
• 1:16:39
  documents anymore. You know, Brent because the paper. Uh-huh. Is so expensive
• 1:16:45
  and and the process is so expensive
• 1:16:48
  and we have so few people applying for them that we just don't do anymore, so now go get a passport.
• 1:16:54
  And then, of course, in the passport application is where all the goodies are hidden. See? So... But right there, it says at the first of a paragraph, all US citizens
• 1:17:05
  are US nationals.
• 1:17:07
  Boom.
• 1:17:08
  There it is. There's the presumption,
• 1:17:10
  there's the fraud.
• 1:17:12
  You
• 1:17:13
  can get out of it, of course, but well, go find out how to do it.
• 1:17:18
  Unknown: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. No. I'm with you, Roger.
• 1:17:22
  Unknown: Roger?
• 1:17:23
  Yes. I'm
• 1:17:24
  just wanting... I'm going to listen
• 1:17:27
  off the
• 1:17:29
  telephone now. Yeah. It's been wonderful talking to you and I'm sorry to interrupt. It's been wonderful to be able to call in and
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  Brent, I just want you to know
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  how valuable
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  what you're doing is.
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  Unknown: Thank you. And it's my pleasure. Appreciate you.
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  Unknown: I tell you, if I
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  didn't have this in my life, I'd be bored stiff and frustrated to the nth,
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  okay? Because this is an outlet for me, alright? And to be able to associate and know people that come to this message like this fine lady that's been with us today, Kay, and I'm so grateful you're back
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  you stick around, okay?
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  We got a good group of people here, all right?
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  Unknown: Yes, you, Roger.
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  Unknown: Yes. Roger,
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  I'd like to return if I may. We started out with this
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  chalking tires case. I wanna make a point about it because this
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  particular opinion is short
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  but it's chock full of fundamental first principles
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  about our common law and about our fundamental rights.
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  Now it says that this case says the district court properly found, this is the appellate court, the sixth Federal Circuit.
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  The district court properly found
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  that this physical intrusion that is taking a piece of chalk and marking the tire regardless of how slight
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  constitutes
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  common law trespass.
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  And that's right. This is so
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  even though no damage is done at all quoting
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  the Jones case in the US Supreme Court. I make this point for this reason.
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  Patriots are fond of saying, well there's no there's no damage, there's nobody hurt and there can't be a crime.
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  Well that is sometimes
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  true with crimes but not always.
• 1:19:25
  We like to cite the case of common law burglary which is a trespass.
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  It's a felony and even when no harm is done. And there's other
• 1:19:34
  crimes
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  at common law that are like that. There's some things that for centuries have been crimes
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  because of the sanctity, in that case of course the sanctity
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  of the of a man's home, a man's house no matter how poor, no matter how flimsy, no matter if the rain blows through it and the wind blows through it and the roof leaks,
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  all the force of the crown may not cross
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  the threshold of the broken down tenement. It's his castle, the old castle doctrine at common law. Well they're saying here
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  that just the government just taken a piece of chalk and marking your tire is common law trespass. Therefore
• 1:20:12
  the presumption is you gotta have a warrant. You've gotta have a warrant from a neutral and detached
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  magistrate.
• 1:20:18
  Somebody in government that hasn't any axe to grind. He's not out to get anybody. He's separated entirely from the situation at arm's length. He looks at the law enforcement's
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  affidavy
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  and says, Okay, I think there's probable cause here. Now can you imagine
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  somebody with a policeman
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  with a piece of chalk putting an affidavit into the affidavit
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  of probable cause into the court and saying you know, I don't know
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  if this car is gonna move in two hours but I have every reason to believe it's not gonna be moved in two hours therefore a misdemeanor is a crime. That's a crime by the way, a misdemeanor is in the making and so I want you to allow me to go mark his tire. Well now maybe there's a situation they can do that but the way it is unless they do that, the presumption is no
• 1:21:08
  and that's what the court's saying. This is fascinating that the court... You know another thing I noticed about this Roger with DJ Trump in office
• 1:21:15
  and maybe people can make complaints about him, maybe they can't, maybe he's doing a lot of right things, maybe some wrong things in people's eyes but one thing that he has done by his talk and that's what a president has, he has a bully pulpit. He doesn't control the bureaucrats, he doesn't control congress but on the other hand, the most powerful,
• 1:21:34
  most powerful tool in his toolbox is words.
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  As one fellow said,
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  God our maker governs with words
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  and we are made out of his holy imagination, his image, his imagination.
• 1:21:47
  Therefore
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  he delegates government to us, we govern with words and DJ Trump has emboldened
• 1:21:53
  the right people and what amazes me as I watch what's going on, he has emboldened the people that believe. They have a president now that has encouraged them to say no, I have freedom of religion.
• 1:22:05
  No, Christianity
• 1:22:06
  is the dominating force in America. People are saying that now with more boldness. No, the IRS cannot stop me from speaking in church about whatever I want to say. No, we should not be incorporating churches. Donald Trump even talked about that and so it's emboldened people and amazingly
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  it emboldens
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  even
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  these other as
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  Justice Scalia called them, these lone employees of the state called judges and now these federal appellate judges that everybody kowtows to and to varying degrees, they're saying what DJ Trump has said.
• 1:22:39
  That's right and it does make a difference what you say and that's why it's important we keep saying what's right because when the critical mass gets to a certain point, the judges are not leaders, they're followers. They're followers. They're following us. I mean the
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  Seventh Circuit in Illinois
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  came down in the
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  decision
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  following
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  Heller in Chicago,
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  McDonnell versus Chicago
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  and
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  judge Posner, left wing, left wing Jewish magistrate.
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  He's retired now but he said,
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  he said economics
• 1:23:14
  and law and everything is to be evaluated in the law according to the greatest good, the greatest number of people. That's nothing but legislative theory straight out of Bentham. That's what he used to say. He wrote books on the subject but he said this to the Illinois legislature.
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  You've got to get in step with the rest of the states. Everything's moving in this direction. Concealed carry is what people in America want and you've got a hundred and eighty days. Either you pass legislation for concealed carry in Illinois or we as the Seventh Circuit Federal Court of Appeals are gonna put out a decree for you.
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  That's what he said
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  and that's what happened. Now I don't think it's right that judges take that kind of power upon themselves.
• 1:23:52
  Matter of fact, it's wrong and it's unconstitutional.
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  It's contrary to our common law but it and he's not following due process. You see that's the problem when he does that. But what he's saying is, I wanna be like everybody else and you've got to be like everybody else too and everybody's now saying concealed carry is a thing. Concealed carry is unconstitutional for crying out loud but it is an acknowledgment
• 1:24:13
  that there a man and a woman of course, mankind has a personal right in the
• 1:24:19
  technology in which we live today which means firearms to protect himself.
• 1:24:23
  And so he says, you do it or we'll do it. But that just reveals,
• 1:24:28
  I guess I'm saying that
• 1:24:30
  judges are followers fundamentally.
• 1:24:32
  Yes. Oh, are they smart? Oh yeah, they're smart. But do they have independent minds? Not like they ought to, no. Back to you, Roger. Brent, I remember years ago here in Beau Grite and
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  Unknown: the cop
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  from Phoenix,
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  they're both I know he's deceased.
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  Up there they yeah, lived
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  McLamb. And they lived had a group of like minded people up there in Northern Idaho somewhere around
• 1:24:57
  Flour De Laine or whatever, and were trying to do something with their land. I don't remember what they were doing in the background of the story, and this was probably over twenty five years ago.
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  Had a
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  meeting,
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  and all of the patriots came to the meeting, and it was in front of a judge or county commission or something, and they started discussing it, and they said somebody from the back of the audience
• 1:25:20
  had tied up a small rope,
• 1:25:23
  a small hangman's noose,
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  and they threw it out of the audience and it landed on the desk and discussion stopped.
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  Unknown: Okay.
• 1:25:34
  Unknown: I'm listening. So I... Well, that's the story. I can add to that. That was cameo...
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  Unknown: Cameo... I... I... O... With a micro effect.
• 1:25:42
  Yes. It was up there. So anyway, the reverse of what you're talking about, but the same effect.
• 1:25:50
  Unknown: Uh-huh. Oh, no. It's
• 1:25:52
  statement.
• 1:25:53
  A statement was being made
• 1:25:55
  by actions as our common law would say, verbal acts, verbal acts. But of course words are where DJ Trump is and those kind of... Words are symbols. Words are symbols and we use symbols to communicate ideas and when you fly the flag, you're using a symbol to communicate an idea. It's not
• 1:26:14
  Unknown: a particular idea in all... Every case, more of a general idea but do you know who throw the... Who throw... Who threw the news? No. No. They never did say but on the Trump thing, he's done a couple of real good things lately that I liked. I thought one of them was a brilliant move of taking the illegal
• 1:26:32
  alien, the immigrants that are coming over and pouring over and sending them to sanctuary cities.
• 1:26:39
  Unknown: Did he actually follow through that? Yes,
• 1:26:42
  Unknown: they're doing that.
• 1:26:43
  Unknown: Okay. But at the same time then pulling all federal funds to the Exactly, exactly and
• 1:26:50
  Unknown: putting them in a corner. And the other thing that he did that I liked was he put a directive to the colleges. He said if you don't put a allow free speech on these colleges, we're gonna pull federal funds.
• 1:27:02
  Unknown: Yeah, I'm glad to hear it. That's the power he has, the power of money, but yeah and that's why, well go ahead Chris, you were chafing at the bit to say something.
• 1:27:14
  Did I hear Chris He
• 1:27:16
  Unknown: chimed in there and said it was Kamiai,
• 1:27:19
  Unknown: Idaho which is correct. Oh, I heard that part.:
• 1:27:22
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:27:23
  Did you did you ever did you hear that story?: I might.: Do... Oh, is it... Who's that?:
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  Hey Bob.: Bob.: This is Bob. Hey, Bob. I didn't even realize I had
• 1:27:36
  joined you in the conversation. Welcome.
• 1:27:41
  Unknown: I just slipped in under the rug. You didn't notice.
• 1:27:44
  I was gonna address it to you, Brad. I I had... I talked about this yesterday on the show, but I don't know that you were listening. I know you weren't on. So,
• 1:27:54
  you know, the old world being cosmos
• 1:27:57
  and I
• 1:27:59
  was sitting in church here a couple weeks ago and the pastor was he brought up some particular verse that had world in it and I checked on Strong's Concordance and it shows you it's actually,
• 1:28:09
  you know, cosmos.
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  And
• 1:28:12
  I get to just
• 1:28:14
  going through the list of other New Testament verses with it. And second,
• 1:28:19
  Colossians two twenty,
• 1:28:22
  I went ahead and clicked on it, and it says this,
• 1:28:26
  and you may know it.
• 1:28:28
  It says, if you died with Christ away from the principles of the world, of the cosmos, of this... Of their jurisdiction, you know,
• 1:28:37
  why?
• 1:28:39
  As if living in the world, do you submit
• 1:28:43
  to their decree?
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  Unknown: Yeah. That's a powerful verse. And I I've I've thought... Yeah. That's stabbing. It's overlooked. No. That's true. Why do you submit to their decree?
• 1:28:54
  Why... You're living you're living under a different
• 1:28:57
  different law giver, a different way. You're living under a law that says it's the way you do things not what you do and more importantly, it's concentrate on the way you do it and the what will take care of itself. As the Jesus Christ put it, if you fell on would clean the inside of the cup,
• 1:29:14
  outside will take care of dishes.
• 1:29:16
  I have some. My mother did show me how to do it and I remember her telling me that. You just wash the inside of the glasses. The outside will take care of itself once you do that. The outside, that's easy. Wash the inside and the same thing is true of a man or a woman. Once the inside is clean,
• 1:29:31
  our outside will begin to come out. It'll take care of itself and there is no
• 1:29:35
  change, a fundamental change in a man or a woman if they just try to wash it off the outside and straighten up their behavior.
• 1:29:43
  Doesn't work that way. You'll come right back like a pig to the waller. You'll go right back to it after he's had a bath or a dog that's been cleaned up with a rhinestone collar and all that baloney and a haircut down at the pet office. He'll go back and eat his own vomit. And that's what men are like in most all cases that try to straighten up their behavior, try to rub something on the outside, try to do the law. Oh, do right. Do it. It doesn't happen. It won't happen. It can happen. There must be the inside. Well how does the inside cleaned up? Well God does that. God cleans his fish.
• 1:30:14
  He cleans them. He cleans them himself.
• 1:30:17
  We don't do that and just like cleaning a fish, it's a matter of the inside. You gotta get all the crap out. All the dirt. All the filth. He does that. I don't do that and you trust him to do it. That's how it works. That's what eludes people about the Christian faith. That's not something you do. It's something he does by his choice and he says if you'll stand still long enough, he'll get it done. Somebody called me the day, it was a client and they inherited a
• 1:30:41
  amount or about to and this is normal. It's not a substantial, substantial to them I should say And they were a little nervous. What do I do? Not only am I supposed to make sure this is all distributed to the right people
• 1:30:54
  and that's scary.
• 1:30:56
  I said the first thing you do is nothing. That's the first thing you do. You just stop
• 1:31:00
  and
• 1:31:01
  catch your breath. Make sure you're totally relaxed before you do anything and that's what happened when the gumption breath of God was given in the book of Acts chapter two, one and two. What did they do? The first thing they did for ten days, they did nothing. They just, 120 of them stayed in one room pretty much and did nothing and waited and tried to calm down. They knew that Jesus Christ had raised Himself from the dead, that's monumental. They saw Him, they knew He was dead, they saw Him nailed to a post, they knew He died a terrible horrible death, there was no question in their minds and then after they saw him again and then they were convinced, yeah, this is the man that was nailed to the post
• 1:31:41
  in body then they stopped
• 1:31:44
  and they waited ten days and when you wait, that's why the Bible emphasizes for instance, they who wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength. They shall mount up with wings like eagles but they shall run. No, no. They shall walk
• 1:32:00
  and not be weary. They shall run and not faint. It's not all as beautiful as it sounds. You walk before you run and when you're running, you don't faint but you get pretty tired.
• 1:32:11
  It's
• 1:32:12
  painting a picture of reality
• 1:32:14
  but number one,
• 1:32:15
  the number one thing is to stop
• 1:32:18
  and do nothing because if you do too much, you're just gonna get in his way because you don't even know what you're supposed to be doing at that point. You let him teach you and then it will naturally begin to happen. Clean the inside of the cup first. I think I run a field, Bob, from what you were saying probably a little bit but you make a point. I'm glad you brought it up.
• 1:32:37
  Unknown: No. I appreciate that. The the last phrase there in the in the I don't read Greek but I was just looking at it and it said, obey their decrees. It was a word that looked like dogma.
• 1:32:50
  Unknown: Dogma dog... It is the word. It's the word dogmatos.
• 1:32:53
  The word dogma comes from the Greek tongue. Yeah. It's in a dogma,
• 1:32:57
  we would say in Latin a decree.
• 1:32:59
  The Roman popes call them rescripts or bulls or sometimes a rescript.
• 1:33:04
  A dogma fundamentally,
• 1:33:05
  there's nothing wrong with a dogma but a dogma is something that is commanded without supporting supporting authority.
• 1:33:13
  Now maybe you have supporting authority. For example,
• 1:33:16
  a general officer in the army would give an order. He's not required to provide supporting authority.
• 1:33:22
  That is in the Greek world, they call that a dogmatos.
• 1:33:26
  It's dogmatic.
• 1:33:29
  The Roman church has issued dogmas. I have read Protestant reformed theologians
• 1:33:34
  from The Netherlands in years past that one was called,
• 1:33:39
  I forget the fellow's name but he wrote dogmatics.
• 1:33:42
  He called it Christian dogmatics and what he did was listed as he understood all
• 1:33:48
  evidence of the Bible what the truth is on any given subject without providing
• 1:33:52
  supporting documentation
• 1:33:54
  from the documents called the Bible. That's called dogmatics. There is what we call dogmatic theology. So there's nothing wrong with the word. The word is neutral. Sometimes it can be used negatively,
• 1:34:04
  sometimes positively.
• 1:34:05
  When I told my children when they were at home, don't touch that
• 1:34:10
  whatever.
• 1:34:11
  I didn't have to give reasons why. God doesn't say I have to. My authority is me at that point when they're little and I don't, that's dogmatic.
• 1:34:20
  But God Himself is not primarily dogmatic in His written revelation.
• 1:34:24
  He says a lot of things. He gives the reasons. He explains why. He gives the
• 1:34:30
  glosses, the notes that go on it
• 1:34:32
  to tell what's in His mind why and the evidences,
• 1:34:37
  He gives evidences.
• 1:34:38
  Well He does all that. God is not a dogmatic law giver. There are times when He says, this is the bottom line, do it. But the Scripture of course gives the reasons why it's all there. But that's what dogmatic means and when an emperor, as Paul the Apostle was saying, the dogmatics of this world are their naked decrees.
• 1:34:56
  Now even we... Decree is not strong enough a word for dogmatos.
• 1:35:00
  When a judge in our own world, in our own court tradition issues a divorce decree,
• 1:35:06
  he will provide reasons.
• 1:35:08
  Most cases with his decree.
• 1:35:12
  When he issues an injunction,
• 1:35:14
  there may be reasons he's put on the record but it usually is not included with the injunction. So we would call an injunction in the Greek tongue a dogma. A dogma.
• 1:35:24
  But in the case where Paul uses it there in Colossians, I think you said Colossians is where it is and I remember it being there. That he's speaking of the decrees of the evil empire, the Roman world, the Babylonian tradition, the code of just in. Yeah,
• 1:35:39
  it's Colossians two twenty. Yeah, thank you. No, that's good. I'm glad you brought that up. That's an important
• 1:35:45
  verse that's over. I couldn't...
• 1:35:47
  Unknown: When I when I read that in church there a couple of weeks ago, I couldn't concentrate on a sermon because I got totally wrapped up in that. Sure. No. I understand. You have to take notes to go home if it's a good sermon.
• 1:35:58
  Unknown: If it's a good sermon, don't go home and have roast preacher like a lot of people do at Sunday dinner.
• 1:36:04
  That guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
• 1:36:06
  That ignorance or whatever. He didn't talk about his wife and his kids, and you're wasting your time. Of course, he's human. He's probably more human than you.
• 1:36:14
  But when he's in his office, let him do his office. Let him do his duty and don't don't... You know Paul
• 1:36:20
  the Apostle says this, don't make it hard for those that go before you. Don't run them down. All you're doing is teaching the people around you to not listen to them. They may have something to say.
• 1:36:30
  All of us stand in need of correction.
• 1:36:34
  It is me, we used to sing the old spiritual when we were kids in school for crying out loud. We sang, they'd teach us these Negro spirituals as we call them. It's me. It's me. It's me. Oh Lord standing in the need of prayer. Not my brother, not my sister but it's me oh Lord standing in the need of prayer.
• 1:36:52
  And we need to concentrate on ourselves. As the Romans, they had it right when they said it is good to learn even from your enemies. Jesus Christ went to the
• 1:37:02
  the Sunnegoge.
• 1:37:03
  Sunnegoge,
• 1:37:04
  the gathering place of Jewry. He went there every Sabbath and he participated in reading from the Torah, from the first five books of the Bible
• 1:37:13
  as was his custom. But it wasn't because he believed they had the right attitude. It wasn't because he believed that they were promoting him. Matter of fact right after he did that in that particular instance they drug him out of the synagogue and tried to throw him over a cliff because of what he'd said
• 1:37:29
  exposition of what he had read from the prophet Isaiah.
• 1:37:32
  But he went and there's things to learn. I used to have professors in school and I listened to him and asked that guy is a lunatic.
• 1:37:39
  But you know what those professors did for me and they didn't know it. They thought they were persuading me to their point of view, they weren't. They were inciting me to build up my side of the story and my position against their madness and I saw the weakness of what they were saying. Now when you're grown, you can do that better than when you're young. Do not expose your your children
• 1:37:58
  to to air. Do not do that. I mean, we were... Do do not even expose your children to other children if you can help it. You've just got a passel of foolish children influencing each other and your children will go their way. They won't go the right way because they're just children. You know we used to raise livestock.
• 1:38:14
  Different
• 1:38:15
  animals different. Now with hogs, you never let litters of hogs mix in the farrowing house. You didn't do that. They kill one another. No. No. You kept them with their siblings and you kept them separated from the others and then when they got big enough, you put them together. It's amazing to me. Hogs are smart animals and we're even smarter. It's amazing to me and when you're smart and you're depraved on top of it, you'll try to destroy one another as children. I remember the things that happened when I was in school. No, it does not socialize you. It makes you hard and it hurts you and it leaves you in the wrong direction. Once you're big enough to handle all that, then you turn them loose. But you teach them first.
• 1:38:50
  You teach them what is true and right and so when they face the
• 1:38:54
  professor in school
• 1:38:56
  that's wrong,
• 1:38:57
  then it'll help them more than hurt them because it'll build up their side of the equation
• 1:39:03
  and not the equation, no, their side of the opposition. Go ahead. Well, we got one
• 1:39:07
  Unknown: here that's old enough to mix with the others. How are doing, Daryl?
• 1:39:14
  Unknown: I'm
• 1:39:15
  enjoying this.
• 1:39:17
  Hello,
• 1:39:18
  and I'm really enjoying this.
• 1:39:21
  Yeah, Brent. I
• 1:39:24
  agree with you on the
• 1:39:25
  on the farrowing house and the hogs. We
• 1:39:28
  never ran them together until after we castrated them. And then after we cut them,
• 1:39:33
  we'd run them together. And, of course, I don't I don't know that that we would... I wouldn't advise that for our children, but I get the idea.
• 1:39:40
  Yeah.
• 1:39:41
  Unknown: Well, you use that old way. We said it this way too. We didn't say castrate. You didn't castrate hogs. You cut them. That's what we used to say. I'd forgotten that. Well, I was well. But they they don't have to cut them in the schools. They're just turning them into the other sex.
• 1:39:57
  That's true. Yeah.
• 1:39:59
  Unknown: Yeah. They're they're they're self they're self castrating.
• 1:40:02
  So
• 1:40:04
  I... I'm I'm enjoying this today. I I missed part of it because I was I was at the gun store and
• 1:40:11
  talking to them. And...
• 1:40:13
  But this is this is a very
• 1:40:15
  very
• 1:40:17
  animated
• 1:40:19
  conversation today. It's... It has a sort of urgency to it. I'm I'm sensing an urgency in this conversation,
• 1:40:26
  and I like it.
• 1:40:29
  Unknown: Well, that helps that helps me. I assume it helps Roger too. But how do you get urgent?
• 1:40:34
  What makes you urgent?
• 1:40:35
  And I suppose
• 1:40:37
  and I'm speculating a little but I think I'm pretty well established in my mind what makes a man urgent. What makes him urgent is if he has eyes to see the kingdom. If he has eyes to see the arrangement of authority that God has given us, not everybody has eyes to see it. That's why Jesus Christ said
• 1:40:53
  to that Roman, He said,
• 1:40:56
  you can't No, not the Roman. He said this
• 1:40:59
  Did he say it to Nicodemus?
• 1:41:01
  I think he did. He said, You can't even see the Kingdom of God unless you're born from above. Yeah, that was Nicodemus. You have to have eyes to see and ears to hear and how does that happen? Well the seed has to be planted. The Word of God is the seed, Peter tells us that brings on the conception and once your eyes get opened, once you've
• 1:41:20
  become aware,
• 1:41:21
  well there's another word in the Bible this big. There's two kinds of seeing that I remember in the Bible in the Greek tongue. There's seeing with acute awareness
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  and that's the word that's related to our word for theater by the way. Theater.
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  To gaze upon with increased awareness.
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  To know what you're looking at. To not just see it in glance. I was looking, I've driven down some of these roads at home for
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  over sixty years now and you know I still see things along the road that have been there for that long and I never really noticed before. The roads.
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  Why? Because I wasn't paying attention. That's why I was too focused on getting to where I was going. I saw something the other day that kind of surprised me. I can't even remember what it was. I have to go down that road again and see but we're not... Observation
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  is the first step and what folk call the scientific method. Let's just stop and look at this thing. See it comes back to, wait, let's just wait here a minute. Wait. Woah. Woah. Woah.
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  Your eyes. Look around you. Get the lay of the land. See what's going on.
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  That's the first step to battle. That's the first step to a fist fight. That's the first step to scientific investigation.
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  I mean I don't care what you apply it to. You better stop and take inventory
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  first
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  and see whether you have the wherewithal to deal with what you're dealing with or whether you've got the facts you need. That's part of the wherewithal.
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  The facts you need. Have you got the
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  Have you got enough of an intelligence report? Are you going to say things and do things that will hurt you more than help you? I've done that before by the way.
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  I won't have to give you the details but it can get out of hand. Stop. Slow down as the Bible says, walk humbly with thy God.
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  He's the one that will ultimately protect you because he knows everything. You'll get some of the facts and he'll tell you what to do but you don't know it all.
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  Back to whoever wants to talk. Well
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  Unknown: Daryl? Oh, I I I, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna concur with that.
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  You know, when you're talking about awareness,
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  that's a, that's an interesting and and widely varied
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  instinct and or skill set.
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  And
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  we
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  we have a lot of people that are
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  caught unawares.
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  Okay. They're they're constantly being surprised.
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  And
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  when when the when the evidence was right before them, but but then again, they'll be caught unaware.
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  Whereas there will be other people in those same situations that are
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  very cognizant. They're very much... They're even ahead
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  of where the situation is going they've already thought two, three, four moves ahead where it's at when other people are unaware.
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  And
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  so I mean this is a this is an individual
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  skill set, you might say.
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  And
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  I I see a lot of awareness in the the group of people that are on here and listening
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  today. Yeah. You see the high situational
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  awareness is is prevalent. They've been stimulated,
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  and they're on guard. They're
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  they're
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  actively
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  actively collecting
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  data and processing it and and reprocessing
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  it to refine their situational awareness,
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  very acute intent
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  listening,
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  and and and then their actions reflected.
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  Unknown: I I
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  Unknown: I find it just incredibly
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  interesting,
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  and and it's appropriate because
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  of the treacherous times that we're we're in. And
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  so
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  I don't... I... The the one thing I did call
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  is that it kinda it kinda goes along with this, and thanks for bringing this in into the mix, Brent, was
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  that
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  what I've been seeing for quite some time, and and it
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  seems to be
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  escalating to some degree as people grasping at straws. The the ones that were unaware
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  are now as they start to become startled
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  awake
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  or aware,
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  they're starting to grasp at straws.
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  And and this is where,
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  you know, a great opportunity for those that that have the courage to speak with the word of the lord
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  and and the knowledge of the law. So as as they become shaken,
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  Unknown: there's an opportunity. Brent, didn't you do a some series recently on patriot mythology?
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  Unknown: On Saturday mornings, we we took about two months at least, I suppose, and we went through some of the points and there were there... And the more I looked at it, the more... It was overwhelming how much there is, and I finally said, well, let's just stop for a while, and I went back to started a class on the law of promises at common law contracts. So we're doing that now but we did go through that. Well, that's been one of the motivations for this program is to try and get real information out and get some of the and I'm sure some of it's misinformation
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  Unknown: and I'm sure some of it's disinformation
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  but to get that out of our community
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  as much as possible and get some
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  much better educated and grounded people
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  because they've been grasping at straws. This community has been grasping at straws since I got in it.
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  Unknown: Okay? No, and I see that too, yeah.
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  I think...
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  Because
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  my friends promote that. I'm sorry. No. Go ahead Brent. You go ahead. I was just gonna say that
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  my friends
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  have been patriots,
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  most of them, my close friends and they
• 1:47:04
  gravitate toward other people that claim to be. Now there are some people out there claiming to be patriots.
• 1:47:09
  They're nothing but promoters trying to make money and have found something that they can promote and say they know about and even
• 1:47:16
  if they're right,
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  they go overboard. For example, I listened to a fellow who's very well known now, he's an Australian and he... I'm not convinced that he's insincere,
• 1:47:26
  I don't know but
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  he
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  talks about
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  the glosses of capital letters
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  and then he applies it to the Bible and he says the Bibles that have
• 1:47:37
  the name of the Lord in all capital letters, that's part of the evil empire.
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  And then he just launches off into making that the major thing.
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  Well, there is some truth in that
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  but the evil empire was involved
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  serratificially.
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  How do you say that word,
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  Unknown: Roger? Seruptitiously.
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  Unknown: Anyway, got in there. That's why some people can't spell it very well.
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  Unknown: Ly.
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  Unknown: He got in there.
• 1:48:08
  The whole thing about capitalizing the
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  name of God came through the influence of the King James translators
• 1:48:15
  who were heavily influenced by the rabbis because they didn't know much about Hebrew compared to what they knew about Latin and they depended heavily. They knew very well the rabbinical traditions which are not the true traditions, many of them are Babylonian
• 1:48:28
  and that did creep in there. Has it affected us in a negative way? Not much. I think it should be corrected and there are other translations that have done that
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  but
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  the evil empire is all around us and the symbols of it creep in. All the days of the week, I like to say names of pagan gods. I like to say it just to remind people we are utterly inundated.
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  We are whelmed with the evil empire.
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  You sent me that picture of Behemoth and
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  the Star of David behind him which of course is a Babylonian symbol
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  in front of the state house in Arkansas.
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  And I looked at that and said, you gotta be kidding me. Of course
• 1:49:06
  they can do what they wanna do. They had the 10 commandments in front of the State House and somebody from a Satan worshiper drove his car through it and smashed it up. I don't know what happened to him, probably nothing, usually nothing happens. But if you destroy their statues and their evil symbols,
• 1:49:20
  then
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  Unknown: there's trouble to pay. You got hell to pay. Yeah, you got hell to pay. It was like Pastor Peter's. But these
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  symbols of evil... Go ahead. In New Orleans where they pull down Robert E. Lee, there's Jackson, Jackson Square right by the river, very historic monument two blocks away with
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  Judah P. Benjamin's
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  statue still stands.
• 1:49:47
  Unknown: Now isn't that something? Isn't that something?
• 1:49:50
  But there it goes. When it was just the opposite was true as an
• 1:49:57
  arguable matter at the least.
• 1:49:59
  Well, the symbols are all around us. We're not to participate with symbols. We're not
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  to put them on our bodies. We're not to
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  fall down before them. We're not to use them in our Christian worship
• 1:50:11
  but
• 1:50:12
  we do.
• 1:50:13
  We have to do a little bit of looking to get all of the idolatry
• 1:50:17
  out of our lives. I like to call it Jesus junk and trinkets.
• 1:50:20
  Get that out. I was telling the story to a friend yesterday evening about Jenny Geddes.
• 1:50:25
  Jenny Geddes.
• 1:50:27
  Favorite woman, favorite woman of the Scottish people and Ginny...
• 1:50:31
  Robbie Burns
• 1:50:32
  named his horse Ginny after Ginny Geddes and
• 1:50:36
  Ginny was the poor woman that went to church at St Giles in Edinburgh
• 1:50:40
  and she was poor so she wasn't allowed to sit in a pew and she'd had to bring her own little
• 1:50:45
  chair. She brought her milk and stool with her and sit along the wall as
• 1:50:50
  the peasant class did.
• 1:50:52
  And
• 1:50:53
  the preacher or the clergyman stood up and tried to perform the mass, the Roman mass,
• 1:50:59
  she stood up
• 1:51:00
  and screamed at him and said,
• 1:51:03
  how dare you speak the moss in my lug in my ear and she threw her milk and stool at him and that started a riot.
• 1:51:12
  And within two weeks, just two weeks about,
• 1:51:16
  every church in Scotland,
• 1:51:19
  people went into the church houses and stripped the walls, stripped the ceilings
• 1:51:23
  of every icon, every image, every painting, every bit of trinket of
• 1:51:29
  Jesus trinkets I call them.
• 1:51:32
  All that Mary statues
• 1:51:34
  of Mary stripped all that out and piled it in the profane place, they called it in front of the church and burned it and
• 1:51:41
  that set the tone for those people
• 1:51:44
  for a few hundred years and they brought that to America. They were appalled.
• 1:51:49
  The
• 1:51:50
  Scotch Irish and the Scots, they were appalled at idolatry.
• 1:51:53
  I don't know if that's true anymore but it did a lot for everybody, did a lot for us that they had that point of view because it became pervasive in America. When I grew up in church, I grew up and I went to church in a little church house out in the country and the walls were bare.
• 1:52:08
  The ceilings didn't have any crosses hanging off of them. We did have a few other problems that should have been addressed,
• 1:52:14
  mostly pictures. There were a couple of pictures that shouldn't have been there but we had this tradition of being appalled by idolatry
• 1:52:22
  and it will creep in on you and it will destroy
• 1:52:26
  destroy you and they understood that. We've lost track with that idea. We look at it and say, oh that's pretty, that couldn't hurt anybody.
• 1:52:33
  Well that's not what the Bible says and that's not what history teaches us. You know it got so bad in Rome, Roger. A hundred and sixty some years after the birth of Christ that the Roman Senate outlawed all
• 1:52:43
  public idolatry,
• 1:52:45
  all displays of idols in Rome. Really? Because the use of opiates and the excesses of it. Yeah, the excesses of it. They said we can't exist. Our government will be destroyed and they knew, they were smart enough to recognize that public idolatry doesn't work, it destroys you.
• 1:53:01
  But because they were not Christian at heart, it didn't last very long and public idolatry then became the norm the city of Rome and still is to this day and along with it as I said and they said becomes the use of opiates
• 1:53:14
  and the sexual excesses of public life.
• 1:53:18
  Very dangerous. Well any rate, Roger back to you.
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  Unknown: We live in dangerous times and that we should all
• 1:53:26
  take heed to what is written and come out of her, my people, come out of her. Don't engage yourself with this behemoth.
• 1:53:33
  You'll never beat it. We're supposed to come out, stand back,
• 1:53:37
  ourselves,
• 1:53:38
  wait, which you pointed her out earlier,
• 1:53:41
  let it fall,
• 1:53:43
  and maybe hopefully down the line we can rebuild
• 1:53:46
  something on some solid principles, Brent. That's what I strive for here. Why don't you tell folks how they can get more of Brent Winters as we get to the close of the show?
• 1:53:57
  Unknown: Go to commonlawyer.com,
• 1:53:59
  that's www.commonlawyer.com
• 1:54:03
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• 1:54:09
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• 1:54:12
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• 1:54:16
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• 1:54:23
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• 1:54:28
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• 1:54:30
  of John, the Revelations, John the Revelator he's called,
• 1:54:34
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• 1:54:52
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• 1:55:04
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• 1:55:13
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• 1:55:24
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• 1:55:45
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• 1:56:01
  No, no, at amazon.com.
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• 1:56:10
  Unknown: Can get Brent,
• 1:56:12
  it's always a pleasure to have the time with you on these Fridays. I know both of us in the audience really enjoys it. I want to thank everybody that participated today, especially
• 1:56:22
  tipping our hat to Ms. Kay and her reemergence
• 1:56:25
  in our circles here and that just does me a lot of it gives me a lot of good feedback. She's her and her husband are sweet people and
• 1:56:33
  it just I see our group growing and the quality of individuals that are out there
• 1:56:39
  is is strengthening and it's just
• 1:56:42
  gives me good feeling here. So, thanks Brent. We'll see you next Friday. Hopefully, we won't have any problems and you guys will see what next week brings and I want to thank everybody who participated today and those of you who are out there and didn't participate but got something out of it, I hope. So, have a good weekend and we'll see you on Monday and Brent, as always, sure appreciate it, man. I enjoy em.
• 1:57:06
  Thank you, Roger. Bye. Guys, have a good weekend.
• 1:58:28
  Unknown: Blasting the Voice of Freedom Worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
• 1:58:34
  Unknown: Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.