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Ep. 138 - A Prescription for Peace? Medications, Integrity & Accountability in Recovery. · Trudge Report

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  SPEAKER_03: Ladies and gentlemen, good evening and welcome to another episode of Trudge Report.
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  SPEAKER_03: We are a recovery-based podcast.
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  SPEAKER_03: My name is Sean, and I am your host.
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  SPEAKER_03: Do you guys think we could do like a GoFundMe for our subscriptions?
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like instead of money, instead of being like, hey, give me money for some bullshit reason.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry to anyone who's ever legitimately had a GoFundMe.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, but most people to some instead of being like, just hey, just subscribe to our channels.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_03: Like let's have like a uh what do they call it?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like a like a push, like one of those call-in shows, you know, where you call in and you gotta like um think we could do that?
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_03: Well I'm gonna go.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: Here's a uh pipe bomb for you, but uh I don't know if you guys realize, but there's a there's a woman who's made national news because she uh admitted to horribly murdering her three children, and she raised like almost two million for herself.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there's that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Who's that?
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  SPEAKER_00: So I guess I guess through all through God, all things are possible, right?
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_03: Stop it.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's not even funny.
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  SPEAKER_03: Is that are you talking about who's that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is that the that's uh Lindsay Clancy Clancy?
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, all right.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she raised two million dollars.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, all all the crazy women on her behalf have, so yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm pretty sure nowadays follow us as long as you're not a white man.
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  SPEAKER_04: If you murder somebody, you can start a GoFundMe and get millions.
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  SPEAKER_03: As long as you're not a white man.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: Well, if you're a gay white man, you're fine.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, that's yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: And on with the show.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh boy, all right.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, who's the uh is that window shade our fucking guest or something?
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, Janine didn't she didn't turn her video.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: The wonders of post-production, gentlemen.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's producer Janine.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's fine.
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  SPEAKER_03: She's around somewhere.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_03: That's fine.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_03: How's it going, guys?
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  SPEAKER_03: Greg, let's start with you.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_03: Two a two uh listen, you won one last week, you won another one today, that's two in a row.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_03: You win a third one next week, that's called a winning streak.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, indeed.
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  SPEAKER_00: We don't have that too often here.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: You guys are gonna have to excuse me, man.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: I got I got a couple things to to saw on here.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, first and foremost, dude, September 27, 2026 is gonna go down in history.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_00: Today, Nicholas Jamal Chubb retired a Cleveland Brown.
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  SPEAKER_00: You wouldn't have seen that anywhere on television because Fox decided not to air anything about it.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: Good thing I had somebody at the game who was recording all of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was an awesome, awesome sight to see.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nick Chubb, 7,300 rushing yards, 54 career touchdowns, 1100 receiving yards, five receiving touchdowns across uh 100 NFL games in seven seasons as a Cleveland Brown places him uh third all time uh for rushing yards in our franchise, uh second most um in uh 100-yard rushing games at 30 games, third most in rushing touchdowns, and the longest rushing touchdown in Brown's recorded history.
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  SPEAKER_00: So absolute dog.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, anybody who's followed his career knows him.
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  SPEAKER_00: The guy was all about professionalism, work ethic, winning mentality.
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  SPEAKER_00: Guy broke the same knee twice and just kept going.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh the epitome you know nothing about, Corey.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he he's a grinder, dude, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh is this even real?
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't see a single thing, like to your point.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, literally, because guess what?
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_00: Guess what?
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is this is what you don't I mean, and and you know, God bless your Philadelphia Eagles and the and the the headlines that they get, Dan and his Yankees, they get some headlines too.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: The Browns don't get headlines, and and and you know what, rightfully so.
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot of counted out, right?
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, our quarterback touched a lot of people, so um, you know, but hearts and minds, Greg.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: Hearts and minds.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, but I want to give Nick Chubb his due because that dude was just I mean, what uh probably my second favorite all-time football player.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um he was a dog, I agree.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolute dog, and uh an excellent representation of the city of Cleveland.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there's that Brown's got to win today.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_00: The tribe won the division.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna we're gonna go uh get a little first round bye because of that.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um and yeah, I mean, other than that, it's been a good week uh in the household here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, we did, and and I'm I'm gonna try to keep this spoiler light and real quick and not rant too much.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: Lauren and I went to the movies over the weekend and went and saw Primetime starring Robert Pattinson, where he plays uh Chris Hansen from To Catch Predator.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, my wife wants to see that movie.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_02: It here's the deal, dude.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_02: Should I tell her not to waste her money?
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: No, I mean go see it.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like, here's the deal.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to see it.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you if if you are a fan of acting and and a fan of of good performances, it's worth a watch.
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  SPEAKER_00: Robert Pattinson does play Chris Hansen very, very well.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_03: I have always been team Edward.
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  SPEAKER_03: I just just throwing that out there.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and here's the deal, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Pattinson's been in some roles lately where he has not missed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like the guy is he's got some chops.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: He was an awesome Batman, I thought.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_00: He was an awesome Batman.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_00: He was he was awesome in the Odyssey.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, he he's he's had some really good roles as of late and some great performances.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here's the deal This movie Primetime put out by A24, which again they they they have some hits, they have some misses for sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: It paints Chris Hansen to be the villain, right?
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: And it paints him to be the villain.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've heard that from literally almost the very first take.
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  SPEAKER_00: Who thought who made that?
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's the whole two hours of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And like, if you watch it, like, and and I've watched Catch a Predator forever.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
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  SPEAKER_00: That was a huge show back in the day.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_00: I've I watched the that's a wild statement from you, by the way.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_02: That I that you've watched that show forever, yeah, dude.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, well, it's been out forever, dude.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_02: I've never seen an episode.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_02: You never watched Catch a Predator, and maybe clips here and there.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_02: Never watched it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't think I've watched an episode, but I definitely watch the reels every time they come up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, here's the deal, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, maybe it like if you got kids, it's maybe really worth a watch to see what really is out there.
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  SPEAKER_00: But on the second uh or on the flip side of that, I guess you would say, do there's like want to know what's really out there because there's like a satisfaction in watching them get caught.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, you motherfucker.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or or watching Chris Hansen just he weaves a web for him, dude.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, why don't you have a seat?
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: Would you like some lemonade?
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, go ahead, go eat your pizza.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's it says here on on page 56 of the transcripts, you wanted to put your blank in her blank.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_00: What did you mean by that?
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, but it's quite good.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: It dude, yeah.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: The movie paints him out to be the villain, and it's so weird because it's like they're trying to gain sympathy for these people that are out to do horrible shit.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, yeah, and it's it's like see that makes me mad.
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  SPEAKER_00: It well, and here's the deal like the the biggest criticism about uh to catch a predator and a lot of that stuff is that you know, yeah, it it totes a very fine legal line on on what is occurring and what's not.
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  SPEAKER_00: And one of the main reasons why, which is a focal point of the movie, is is that uh to catch a predator got canceled is because some guy they they caught like a politician, like a local judge, and they had him, and he committed suicide.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: The police were were going into his house and and he shot himself and killed himself, and so that's one of the reasons.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: But they paint this again to be like that Chris Hansen was like so power hungry and so like wanted to be in the in the limelight, and that he was the bad guy for going after a bad guy, you know what I'm saying?
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's just dude, I I don't know where we're at in a world today where we can gain sympathy for people like that.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: I I mean I don't know that we're we'd go into a whole nother range.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't know, dude.
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  SPEAKER_01: It it kind of is right on par with the weirdness of this fucking society, yeah, man.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like because weird I don't I don't care how you feel about Chris Hansen, whether you think he is in it for the money and the power and the fame and the glory, whatever.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: You can't sit here and tell me that bringing these people that are out here that want to hurt children into the light so that everybody can see them.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_03: And the whole premise, like there they never they never wrongfully accuse anyone because that's the whole premise, right?
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_03: They're catching them, like so to speak.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: You're free to act or like that's what he says every time.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: You're free to go.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_00: There's the door.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: Don't know what's on the other side of it.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_03: All right, Danny P, what's going on with you, buddy?
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, a lot, man.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_04: Just nonstop.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_04: But um, we got some good news in the household.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Alyssa, after her short stay on second shift, is getting upgraded to first shift already, man.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_04: All right, yeah, which is like freaking huge, man.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_04: It's been uh been a big adjustment with the sleep schedules and parents' schedules and all, yeah.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_04: It was super hard, and uh it's still super hard adjusting to all that.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_04: So uh it took like two more weeks of second shift.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_04: So that's a blessing.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_04: That's something awesome that we got uh this week.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_04: We had a little date night, Saturday night, stayed home, ordered some food.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_04: Her mom watched Maya, and we got uh some alone time and some nice peace and quiet, so that was good.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_04: We have what do we got?
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, this week, man, Yankees playoffs playoff baseball, man.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_04: I'm I'm all I'm so amped, man.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_04: Turned out yeah, tuned out to football, everything.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_04: It's everything's playoff baseball right now.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_04: Like I'm super, super jacked about it.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_04: Um we ended uh the softball season today.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_04: Uh we had a good season.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_04: It was uh played Friday night under the lights, which was pretty cool for the girls.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_04: First time underneath the lights.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_04: Pretty uh pretty awesome, man.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_04: It was like a 55 degree night.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_04: It was uh fall chill in the air.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_04: It was uh yeah, it was it was pretty pretty special, man.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_04: We got a bunch of pictures and videos that we'll have for a lifetime and mates and memories.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_04: That was pretty cool.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, yeah, I mean that's about it, man.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_04: Nothing crazy, just work going nuts, and I'm leaving Thursday and going to Connecticut for about six days to uh be with my son and all that.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_04: And um, but yeah, we're we're still we're still cooking over here, man.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_03: Good stuff.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_03: Best to your uh best to your Yankees over there in the American League.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, thank you.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_03: Corey, what's up, buddy?
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, every time we get to this this part, I'm just like trying to think of something good to say, and I never do.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: I never do.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_03: But that's the problem.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_03: You're trying to think of something good to say.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_03: Just let it come natural, man.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_03: I that doesn't happen either.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_03: Say what's on your mind.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_04: Philly's clinched.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_04: Stressful, man.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_04: Stress, but I was stressing for you.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_03: They clinched us, they clinched the third wild card spot, yes.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_03: You normally when you say clinch, you you're talking about like a division or something like that.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_03: But yes, they did get the third wildcard spot.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_03: Barely.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_03: They they tried giving it away.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say they could have not made the playoffs, right?
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, you're right, you're right.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: If they didn't win, they had to win a game.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: So whatever.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't know.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: I guess we suck, so who cares, right?
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, you can't.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: All you gotta do is get in.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: You can't make a deep run in the playoffs unless you get in, exactly.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: So right, yeah, right.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um God, Eagles are tomorrow, so I didn't watch any football today, but I am killing it in fantasy.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: Last week and this week.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_03: You're such not a ball knower, dude.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_03: You didn't watch any football today.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: I fucking cleaned my garage today, Sean.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: It look, listen.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Come on, man.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, listen.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_03: You could have had it on the radio or something while you were cleaning the garage.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: No, Gabby had music on, and it was one of those days where it was like, you better just go do what your wife wants to do.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, alright.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: I get it.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I got a$15 shelf off of Facebook Marketplace and I put tools on it.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_05: Nice.
• 13:07
  unknown: Sounds good.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: Proud of you, Corey.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's a daddy.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, anyway, so I'm on I'm on GoFundMe right now, and I'm just like looking up fucking GoFundMe's.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: And you ever do that?
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: You ever just like look at what people want money for?
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: Hashtag never never have.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: I've also never watched To Catch a Predator.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: This one wants us to donate.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: It said it's titled Surprise Jeff debt free on his sobriety anniversary.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: So his wife wants to pay off the debt they have on his sobriety anniversary.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_03: You know what that is?
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_03: Is that he he absolutely effed their finances up while he was drinking and getting high, and she's looking for like a free pass, is what that is, dude.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_03: Come on, Jeff.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think I'm about to die.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_03: Or he's getting abducted by aliens over here.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_03: How many times this?
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_03: 13.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I got it.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: What the fuck, man?
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: I I can't even do nothing.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: That was probably Jeff.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: Jeff's coming out Jeff.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: Jeff, bro.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: Jeff's Jeff's in your bank account already, dog.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: Or Chris Hansen's at your door, one of the two.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't want nothing to do with me.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't know.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, yeah, I mean that that was gonna be a cool little thing I was about to say, but then Jeff fucked it up.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: No, but you'd be amazed at how many people want money just for getting sober.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, hey, let me uh I need help getting sober.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Which, yeah, I'm not saying that there's not a noble cause in there sometimes, but like it's it's kind of hobo.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_04: I don't I don't I don't agree.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_04: I want to sidekliff that.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_04: How many times have you guys got messages from somebody?
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, dude.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_04: Asking for money, like personal.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_04: I just got one the other day.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_04: I just got a go on the request the other day.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yo, I need 50 for an Uber to get home, man.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_03: I got a two Lord.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_03: I got one.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_03: I'll leave all names out of it and I'll I'll try to uh not identify.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_03: I got one for someone's sister who's going to get a surgery in a foreign country.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, what's my cousin's cousin did that to me?
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_03: What's what's the surgery though?
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not gonna share any other details, but that's what it was.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_03: Uh oh, I don't think no, I don't think it no, it was it wasn't like plastic surgery or anything like that.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_03: It was like okay, I think it was like a legit surgery, but it just I don't know.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's just I need these double Ds.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_03: Send that money.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: I get them all the time.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but do you still do you still get people that like have gone out or whatever that hit you up for 20 bucks?
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, uh you know, I'm sorry to ask, man.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like I know you know every now and then, not too often for that.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_04: They probably just know I'm gonna say no.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, them hideaway boys.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_04: They know who to come to.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_04: They're like, oh, these guys are still sober, let me hit them up.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: I um I got one this is the thing that pisses me off about it.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's fine to ask.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's not I mean it is whatever.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: You can ask whatever you want.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: But um and and and it's not always a uh absolute no from me, but it probably is.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: And honestly, the last time I'd I I didn't even I don't lend anybody money, I just here's the 20 bucks or whatever.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, don't pretend like you're not getting it back, it'll it'll save you in the long run.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_04: Hey, that's the best advice ever, right there.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_04: It'll save you resentment in the long run.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_04: I forgot who told me that, man.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Brian Beattie still owes me$16 for a medallion.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I love that.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_04: I love that you still know that.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: Fucking but uh the last one I did, I I I literally told a guy, and he's just a decently close person to me.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: I uh I was like, hey, um, I'm gonna send it to you, but just so you know, you should probably get in the halfway because I'm never gonna send you a dime ever again after this.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: No offense.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't he respond?
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: He said, Thank you so much, dude.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate it, blah blah blah.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: It was fine and whatever.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, this is what I was gonna say.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: This is what pisses me off.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it happened once.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: It happened twice.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: It happened twice that the person that was requesting the money literally did just that and sent like a cash app request.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, or like a Venmo request.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like, not a text message saying, Hey Corey, dude, I'm so sorry to ask.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, you think I can I you know hold 20 bucks?
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: Just sent a fucking request without saying a thing about it.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: That pisses me off.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like you're not even gonna give me the respect of pretending trying to spin some bullshit of why you need it.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I almost I almost respect that more, Corey.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_04: Just coming straight up.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, just coming straight up.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: You can you can be straight up and tax too.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like I know, you could say that you could say I'm addicted to heroin and I really need a fix right now.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_03: Can you throw me 20 bucks?
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_03: I might give I might give somebody 20 bucks for that.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's the other thing.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_04: I don't terrible.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_04: I'm always trying to I try to extend you might hit your bottom.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_04: I try to extend the conversation because I love to just hear it keep going.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna be honest, if somebody says, hey, I need 20 bucks for heroin, I'm probably not gonna give you 20 bucks because I don't want that on my conscience.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: If you need 20 bucks for booze, even if you lie to me and go get heroin, that's okay.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: But I definitely don't want to be like, here's some drug money for heroin.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: Here's 40, grab me some.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: Put it in my rental car.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: Heroin, you're not you're not even getting a you're you're gonna get coke.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna at least have a little bit of fun first.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like a little fun before you nod out, it's fine.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: I usually give advice before I send the money.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like a doctor in my own mind on how to mix things.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_03: I'll give you the 20 bucks, but only if you come to a meeting with me tomorrow.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: Don't hold on to that resignment either.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, yeah, go for me's fun.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_03: All good on my end.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_03: Good weekend, busy weekend.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_03: I was watching the uh we were watching my wife and I, and the girls had them watching the VMAs are on video music awards.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's wild the time.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_03: It is wild the times we live in.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_03: It's just wild.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's so I had to like tell the girls like twice, like like girl, like normal girls don't look like that, Grace and Sophia.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_03: Like, that's inappropriate.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_03: You never need to dress like that.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um they still make music videos anymore.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: They still do.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's wild.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_03: And they were like dancing, and some of the dance, some of the the dancers are like obviously very talented, right?
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_03: The actual skill level of the dancers.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_03: But like at one point, the one girl like was shaking her butt and Grace is like, oh, she's shaking her tushy.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_03: She said it was funny, but that it was it was a cool little family.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_03: It was a nice little family thing, honestly.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_03: It was uh they did a big tribute to Nirvana and gave him like some big award, which was really cool, and like whoever's still alive, you know, sh uh accepted it.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: And um that was pretty cool.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_03: And they they did a thing to Dolly Parton, which you know, it was cool, it was cool, but it's definitely like the VMAs might be like the worst of all of them because they're just like sp it's not like oh, here's a Grammy or here's an Emmy or here's uh the CMAs, even I like the country music war.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_03: It's like here's like who has the stupidest music video, essentially, you know what I mean?
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but where do you even find music videos?
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta like look them up on YouTube now, right?
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like the interweb, Greg.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you there is no MTV anymore.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: We need to well, it's still around.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_03: They just plays music videos, they just play ridiculousness all the time, right?
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, over and over again.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Snoop Dogg was the host, which he's uh listen, Snoop's the man.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_03: Snoop's Snoop's pretty cool of all trades, man.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_03: He does pretty cool, yeah, yeah.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_04: And uh really pisses people off when he cripwalks.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I love when he does sports when he's on broadcasting with sports, it's terrible.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_03: He did a whole bunch of stuff for the Olympics, too.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was great, dude.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: He dropped an elbow at WrestleMania a few years ago.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's fucking awesome.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, he's all encompassing, man.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'll give him this for as like hardcore gangster rap as he was, he has really like turned his career into, like you said, a jack of all trades, yeah, and a businessman, really, business ventures and all that stuff.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: So while getting high, so to all the parents, all the kids out there that were like, I'm gonna be successful and smoke weed all the time.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: Like, there's still hope, boys and girls.
• 21:27
  unknown: Yeah.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_03: I'm still hoping.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_03: I was I was one of those.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_03: I was convinced I was gonna play major league baseball while getting high all the time.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think they'll let you do that.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_03: No, I don't think so.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_03: But I'll go to Mayan other than that.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: I th I feel like I had something else to report, but I don't I don't really think so.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_04: So didn't you did you go did you go golfing with you and uh going golfing one year ago?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_03: I took Sophia golfing on Monday, yeah.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_03: Is that what you're asking?
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_03: I mean I played I played golf today with.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: My dad and my cousins, but I took Sophia cough.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she did, dude.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_03: She did good.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_03: She hit some she hit some really good shots.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um she had like three or four holes where she had like legitimate par putts.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_03: She didn't make them, but um still swings and misses a bit and you know hits the ground.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, we had we had a good.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_03: I entered her into a a skills challenge, um, like a local thing coming up.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_03: So that was cool.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was good.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_05: It was good.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_03: It was nice just me and her hanging out too.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's the best like a legit forgive me for my ignorance here.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: Is this like a legitimate like like does she really like golf or does she like what daddy likes?
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no, no.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_03: She really does like golf.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_03: She does like it.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_03: She doesn't want to do anything else but golf and and uh uh she do gymnastics and um she does Girl Scouts, but she but part of it is the social aspect.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_03: So she's in on Saturdays with other girls her age.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_03: It's like ages like six to twelve.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_03: So it's a bunch of girls her age, so she loves that part of it.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_03: Like, and and honestly, if like there wasn't that, I don't know.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_03: But she does, but she has come around.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_03: Like she's been asking me for a while, when can we go golfing?
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_03: Just you and me.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_03: So she does like it, she definitely does like it, but it's still a little too early to tell if it's like you know, we'll see.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_03: We'll see.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, she does like it.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_04: I always ask in the premonition of that too, to make sure that what Corey just said.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_04: Uh like every every year I say, hey, listen, I don't care what you do, you can do as long as you do something.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_04: All right, that's all I care about, is that you do something.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_04: And I said, you know, like I don't have to coach, I don't, you know, I mean all these like all the things every single year, yeah.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_04: Make sure, like, you know, we you we can do whatever you want to do, however you want to do it.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_03: No, I've asked, I've made sure, and she and I've asked her if she wants to do anything else, you know.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_03: She doesn't, so I think Grace wants to try basketball, which is cool.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Maya's gonna try it this year.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_04: She's gonna she's gonna sign up and try it.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_04: I said, Well, dude, you're five feet and nine years old, so you should probably give it a go.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, give it a go.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's cool.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um, all right, so the topic tonight is um all about being a gay white man.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_03: And prostate dams.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_03: That's not, yeah, yeah.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: The enjoyment of the autobiography by Corey Missioner.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um tonight we're delving into um like taking medications in sobriety.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_03: Specifically, you know, the fact that Corey's been on Suboxin now for many, many years.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_03: We've been trying to get him off of it, but he just refuses to let it go.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_03: No, I'm joking.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: And that is right where Greg's gonna end the clip.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm joking, yeah.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's gonna be viral across poor St.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: Lucie.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: Very known here.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, that might uh that might get us some subscriptions and some downloads and likes, but no, about medications and sobriety, it's a it's it's probably more prevalent today and it has been the last five or ten years than than than in a long time, just because of how heavily medicated society is just in general, like not even just the recovery community, but just how how just there's a medication for everything.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's got a zillion side effects.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes the side effects are worse than whatever the medication is trying to help.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um, some are expensive, depending on what it is and where you're getting it, you know, big pharma, that whole thing.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, but for us in particular, um, and I I want to kind of blanket this with this is not a bash against all medications, right?
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_03: There are legitimate meds out there that people legitimately need that have, you know, they've gone through all the the research, they've gone through whatever it is, um, and they they might, you know, specifically need certain things.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_03: And so this is not a bash against all medications, but there are a larger, I think, a probably a larger contingent of people that are truly drug addicted and alcoholic, um, that are on medications that don't need to be, and that are you know not taking them properly, or they're counteracting with certain things, or they just have this kind of false sense of, oh my god, I need this to function and survive when like we subscribe to a spiritual mode of living as the great panacea for all things, right?
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_03: Now, again, it's not doesn't mean that some people don't legitimately need certain things.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_03: So I just kind of want to start there.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_03: I'll go to Greg first, but I just kind of want to start there.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um, please don't, you know, our listeners don't think that we are just telling everyone across the board that they should get off all their meds and never take them again.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_03: We're not doctors and we're not given that stuff, but we do have experience.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_03: So, Greg, I'll kick it to you.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, medications in sobriety, what are your thoughts, experiences?
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_03: Go ahead.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um if I'm keeping it on the sobriety as a whole, I've met a lot of people uh in the uh decade that I've been around that absolutely need medication, right?
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh for certain stuff.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I think what you said um you know absolutely rings true, and it's not us sitting here telling people not to take medication.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I am not a doctor, none of us are doctors uh that I know of, and um that's that's not you know what what our message is, or nor should it be.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean Dan's a doctor of thuggonomics, but whatever.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, the the hat gives that away.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um that was so lame, Corey.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: That was that that was bad.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: What can you guys disrespect John Cena?
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're like kidding me.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: Come on, dog.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I will say this.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: I drank and did drugs for 20 years before I got sober.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um at the end of it, it was, I mean, if if if I had several hundred dollars a day, that several hundred dollars a day was getting spent and used, and uh I had little to nothing left uh to start me off the next morning.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: And then this the search was on all over again.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um I've been through it many times on this podcast and many times off of it, but you know, the the things that I did to get that money um were were increasingly uh risky and illegal and just downright uh immoral and hurt a lot of people in the in the process.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um that being said, uh when I finally did get on a plane, go to Florida, go to detox, it took uh eight days in detox where they would give me um you know the the little bit of uh subutex um that they would give you um just to keep you from absolutely like putting your head through a window uh in a medical and they give you all the ice cream you wanted.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: It was uh absolutely depressing and and not fun.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: And then immediately after leaving that and going into a treatment facility, like there was nothing now now they did give me uh medications that they used uh to help you sleep and to uh and help uh you know kind of calm you down and everything like that, but but that was it, you know.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't get like that was that was it for the opiate medication, right?
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: Eight days and it was eight days it started and it tapered down, right?
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: And for a guy that spent 20 years drinking and drugging, and a guy that spent uh you know, a good uh four to five years addicted to um opiates, obviously starting with pills and then progressing to heroin, um daily, like eight days um was all it took.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: Now that's not to say like I thank God that I was in a place where I didn't really know anybody, I was in a place that there was uh a 24-hour staff on hand uh to to help you, to talk to you, and just to keep you from you know running out the door and down the street to cop.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm I'm thankful that I had no money and I was cut off from my family because that's what it needed needed to be for me.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: But like, yeah, like 30, 45, 60 days after leaving detox, it still sucked.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't really sleep, you know.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, not good sleep, anyways.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't know about you boys.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: You boys ever get the restless legs.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't, I thought that that was all bullshit.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_00: That was the worst.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: The restless legs that might have been the worst of the detox.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: It is I'll shit myself any day over that.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh sneezing.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_03: You I couldn't even shit.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was the old dare turd.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_03: That stuff backed me up, bro.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that was bad.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: So it it's not like it's not like eight days, and you're here's your keys to freedom, but it's the start of the road.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're if you're serious about it, um myself, my own personal experience, the three of you guys, and scores of other people that I know were able to do this uh on the abstinence path with little to no medication to get us to that point.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sitting here saying that I'm a doctor, I'm not sitting here saying that I'm a hundred percent right.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: This is very much an individualized what what's gonna work for you, but it you absolutely can get it done with little to no medication and um come out the other side of it.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: It sucks, but you can.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_03: Well, like the eight-day taper, like that and that's probably like the broader conversation we're gonna have tonight to some degree, but but so many facilities don't do that.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_03: They they they give you a you know a goddamn endless supply of it, you know.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_03: So right.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_03: I have I have, and for the record, like from a man who's never been to an actual treatment center who detoxed for the most part from his dad's house and then finished it off.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_03: And and it was terrible, don't get me wrong.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I have no issue with like the eight-day or something similar Subox and taper from coming.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_03: I have no issue in a controlled environment in a detox setting, if that's truly the goal.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_03: If the like the goal has to be let's give this guy or girl the least amount of this stuff as possible, and then continue to taper down.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_03: I have no issue with that.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_03: So, Danny P, experience, thoughts.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, that's uh what you were just talking about, though, the Suboxan taper and all that jazz.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, to me, it's like very simple.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_04: It's just you go to detox to taper off of the, you know what I mean?
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_04: You're going to get help, you know, from whatever drugs you're addicted to.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_04: So to be medically safe doing that, you have to do that, you know, and then once you leave there, it should not even be an option.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_04: You know, like you said, a lot of these places just continue on with it and stuff like that.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_04: But like once you leave there and clear, like medically safe, that like withdrawal or any of that stuff is not going to do any kind of harm to you, then it shouldn't even be an option.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_04: And that's real sad that places you know make that an option because that's the that's the discussion that we're having here today is that everything needs an answer and us doing what we do, like in sobriety and uh all these things is is the answer is within.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_04: It's with God, it's with all the recovery stuff and the meetings and the helping other people and all the stuff that heals us inside because you know, like the alcohol and the drugs wasn't the problem, we were the issue.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_04: You know, so when we start healing these things, then I mean that's like the the whole society thing is that everybody wants the answer, you know, and the answer nowadays is the pill form, you know, and it's whatever it is, it's obesity, it's uh ozempic stuff, it's this stuff and this stuff, like, or you can just go to the gym, or you can just eat better, you know what I mean?
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_04: Or like um Corey, like we were talking about flight anxiety.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_04: Like, dude, I got major, like I said, I've walked off a plane before.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_04: I have crazy flight anxiety.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_04: Like, as soon as that door shuts, hot flashes, whole nine yards, you know what I mean.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_04: So, what I've done is created a system for myself, you know what I mean, to do things, you know what I mean, where I can put these things in place, just like recovery.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_04: We have these steps in place to do things.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_04: It's the same thing that on your own reconnaissance, you know what I mean?
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_04: Because like it, I mean, dude, I've been in the bathroom praying before because I was starting to feel everything come on and freak out and all that.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_04: You know, like there's things that you can do, but I also to the other what we were also talking about, like my experience, um, like I told you guys uh was two weeks ago, you know, I knew I was gonna be in the dentist chair and I have severe dental anxiety, like hardcore, like have flipped out of the table before because I don't you guys ever heard of vasovagal?
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_04: No, all right.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_04: So when they shoot the Novocaine in your in your uh mouth, and if you don't have food or you or in you or anything like that, you instantly get hit with chills and you pass out, like you pass out in the dental chair because you don't have anything in your system, and the ephedrine or whatever the epinephrine that's in the novocaine that they shoot it into you uh counteracts with no food and like makes you like freak out.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_04: So I've I had that happen like in the chair before, so that's why my doctor prescribed me Valium.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_04: Well, what are you laughing about?
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_02: I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure it's epinephrine.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: All right, what did I say?
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: If it was ephedrine, no, it you did say, but you said ephedrin first.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_02: Uh all right doing an MF boy.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_04: That's like the main advance doing ephedrin first.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I missed I missed the joke.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_05: You said you said it right.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_04: You just you said the wrong one at first.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_04: Uh all right.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_04: Uh but uh so that's uh my doctor prescribed me uh Valium, you know, one Valium that's like 0.125 or whatever.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_04: And he said, Hey, if you're feeling freaked out, just take this an hour before you come, have a ride, do all that stuff, and da-da-da.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: And you said and you said, got it, snort it an hour before I come.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: And can I have a second one?
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_04: I said, Can you put a zero after the one?
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, and then we'll be good to go.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Dan, that that's kind of how this topic came to my mind.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_03: I remember it.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_03: That was kind of like I think it's important, you know.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, no, and that's like that's like a thing where it's like, you know, like I'm just trying to like the this is a doctor telling me that if you can do this, you know, I mean, this can help your current situation, you know, where it's like there's there's nothing that I can put in place in that situation that is going to change anything.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_04: Like I'm literally in the chair helpless and stuff like that, you know what I mean?
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_04: Where it's like that to me is a situation where it's like, okay, you know, I was literally I had one of my friends to uh she's a therapist and stuff, and I was I it was a hard contemplation to actually even take that, man.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_04: It was it was a hard contemplation to, but then it was also like my teeth is my health, all right.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_04: And if I want to take care of myself and my body, you know, which is what we talk about.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_04: Like if a doctor is like to you need to also take care of yourself.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_04: So if you need to take this medication to be okay, you know, like that's like kind of we talked it through and all that stuff of of the the pros and cons of like I don't want to take anything, like when it comes to surgeries or like I've broken ribs, ankles, you know, nails through the foot, you know, I mean all kinds of fracture to foot, like all kinds of things.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_04: Painkiller is not an option to me, like never.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_04: It's not even like that's something so tolerable.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_03: That's a different right for people like us, that's like a different ball game.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_04: Total different ball game.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_04: No, like no chance and stuff like that.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_04: But um, yeah, I mean, and and like to me, really honestly, you know, like uh we don't have to like uh subject off to off of this, but like kids, like the medication with kids and stuff is a whole nother topic, man.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_04: It makes you want to throw up.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, if we have time, we can branch into that because I got I got some thoughts and takes on that.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_03: And I think it's a I think it's an important yeah, 100%.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's like one go ahead.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_04: Uh but yeah, no, like I like you know what I mean.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_04: I know a bunch of people, man, that are you know the uh therapists, they need you know Adderall or this thing and stuff like, you know, but they're also not made like I am, you know what I mean?
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_04: It's different, you know, so it's different, so it's not me to judge.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_04: Like Greg said, we're not doctors, you know what I mean.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_04: I understand people do need medication and it does help people be okay, you know.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_04: But for me, as someone that's an alcoholic, you know what I mean, and and an addict in all ways, shapes, and forms, there's it's not an easy decision, you know what I mean.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_04: There's nothing that, like, you know, anyone that's new and stuff like that, it's always something you should bring to your mentor or people that you are in the in the rooms with and stuff like that, and not something that you should just make a rash decision because it to me it is a big deal.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_04: Like I said, 10 years, man, you know what I mean, and I'm still this doctor prescribed me like 0.125 of value, which is like like nothing at all.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_04: And it was like a big contemplation for me to take that, you know what I mean.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_04: But like I said, my overall health and well-being, you know, triumph that they're like, you know, I also need to be okay.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I th I think the fact that it was a big contemplation is is probably a good thing, right?
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_03: You weren't just like, oh hell yeah, doc.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_03: Give me some.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's one of my biggest fears, you know, that I hope I hope I never actually have to get into a situation like that, but any kind of like major surgery or accident or something like that that that might require the the the some type of uh narcotic or painkiller or even an alternative to that stuff, I just it just it scares the crap out of me.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_03: So Corey.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_03: You still smoke weed, right?
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, just I I smoke the seeds now.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oof, that's we always pick on Corey.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_03: Just for our listeners, Corey is completely sober.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_03: Seeds and stems only.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, really sober.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_03: I like I like the headaches.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_03: You like when the seeds pop in your face and like a little spark.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: No, you know what's funny though?
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you real quick, not to again, not to go on a tangent here, but about the whole kids on medication thing.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: I just said to Gabby like two nights ago, like, do they even do do people actually still per prescribe like five-year-olds Adderall?
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: A hundred percent.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: And she was like all the time at my work more more frowned upon these days.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_03: All dude.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_03: All the time.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_03: I'll save mine for that, but I see it all the time with kids at work.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: Makes me sick.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't I don't know.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: I I you know, I don't know enough, I guess, but yeah, I I would generally say that well, I would definitely say that the only way it even makes a little bit of sense is if it's an extreme, extreme case, and I just don't think I think that there's a lot of parents probably that are just like, wow, my fucking five-year-old just bounces off the walls all the time, and it's like, yep, they're five.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um I mean, shit, Noah would be on like five hundred thousand milligrams if you would just mainline him.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, uh not to talk out of my ass about things I don't know too much about, but I have a little bit of an opinion on it.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_03: Never stopped you before.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'll just say it then.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm just kidding.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um back to the medication thing.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude, when you know, when I when I got to TCR, like the first thing they do is walk into the doctor's office, and you you don't even say it, like I don't even remember.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: I definitely didn't ask for anything, but they just like check off the boxes of shit to prescribe you.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I whatever.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, obviously, like yeah, in detox, it's like the subutext, which thank you, Greg, for reminding me that it wasn't suboxin, it was subutext.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it just all the same.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, subutext you can get high on, but uh I mean like you can get like you can it's not a blocker, there's no block.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, I never even knew that.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, suboxin blocks any like opiates that you put into your body.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: Subutext does not.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: I never try, I never stopped trying though.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they well, exactly.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: So um, if you're on subutext, you would have succeeded.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: But so, but yeah, I mean that's so yeah, the taper that we did the taper, and honestly, we should bring one of these treatment asshole, I mean, treatment uh people on the pod one day.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: Because maybe one of our friends could explain to us what has changed over the years in treatment, because back then, Greg, to your point, it was a taper, right?
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like you just said.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: And yes, now to Sean's point, like the maintenance program's a big thing.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: And do you know, hey, you're gonna be on this for the next six months at least, and then we'll evaluate.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, what?
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know, but because anyway, um insurance pays.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's what it all comes down to.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_00: Insurance pays, big pharma keeps getting bigger, more money into more people's pockets.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so so, even that aside, like I said, I didn't even ask for nothing, and it was here's some trazodone, here's some stereo quil, here's some fucking uh baclafin or something like that, it was called.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember, it was like a muscle relaxer.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh whatever.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: So, anyway, so I'm eating three pills like morning and night, maybe.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't remember the schedule, but but I took I took these medications for like at least a month or two in the intensive outpatient.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm like sober a couple months, and then one day I'm going to take the dose and I go I never asked myself why I'm still taking this.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I just went, I'm gonna throw these away.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_01: But so many so many people don't have that thought though.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's the scary part.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why I did.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't think anybody asked me that.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: I just went to take it one day, and maybe I was like kind of getting into the recovery community and stuff.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it did pop up in a Meeting or something, I have no idea, but like Living Sobo, the book.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I I I tossed them because it turns out like I wasn't having trouble sleeping anymore.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like I didn't need the fucking Trazodone.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: And like I I've had people recent not too recently, but like in recent years, like tell me what they're on or whatever, and I'm just like, why?
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why are you still like you've been out of treatment for months?
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: And it's and you honest to God, the answer is usually like I don't know.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like, well, I like I know why I drink coffee.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: I know why I want a soda, I know why I'm gonna eat what I'm gonna eat.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: I know why I do most things, really.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: So like why wouldn't you know why you're still taking these medications?
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you have a reason, then take them by all means.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: But like if you don't, like, shouldn't you maybe talk to your doctor?
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: Just saying.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I mean, generally speaking, we're overprescribed.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_01: And like everybody, dude, and again, generally speaking, I'm just gonna throw this out there, it means nothing.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: But like, there was there was a doctor in Pennsville, New Jersey.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody I knew went to that fucking doctor, and I was a little young and had no idea why.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: And as I grew up and got into drugs, I started realizing why.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: Dude just had a heavy hand on that script pad, man.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_01: He he would write the trifecta every time.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you got back pain, that's per cassette.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you have anxiety, that's Xanax, and oh, you can't focus, that's Adderall.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_01: All three, everybody I knew at those three prescriptions.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was wild, you know.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean it's it's drug addiction, and you know, a lot of doctors aren't helping.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I yeah.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_03: I think uh to Greg's point, there's so much money in it, and I I really do think it it gets boiled down to that.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_03: But then I then I think of someone um I think of our good friend Michael, Michael.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_03: Like he's that's a man who legitimately needs to be on medications, you know, with without getting into his personal business.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_03: He legitimately needs to be on medications.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um, some of those medications are probably stuff that the three the four of us would would, you know, tell a guy that we're mentoring that maybe they're maybe they're not sober anymore.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, but um, he legitimately needs to be on them.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I know that I personally, you know, I know you guys know him.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_03: I've personally been involved in the decision-making process for him over the years.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_03: You know, he's come back to me after his doctors have said, hey, we want to change this or add this or take this away or adjust the dosage on this.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_03: And I know for many years, like his goal was to get on the least amount of medications at the least possible doses dosages for years, and he's finally like he's finally there, you know, he's finally there to to a point that he's somewhat comfortable on it, you know.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_03: So I it's an interesting thing.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_01: I have a question.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of go ahead, Greg.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh well, I was gonna say it's uh, you know, what is what do our coins say on them, right?
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: To thine own self be true, right?
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: So, and I think you know, to to a point that you were making earlier, Sean, like, yeah, like thank god I've never had to have some kind of crazy surgery.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't been in a nasty car accident, whatever.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: I do know that a good friend of ours, um several years back, had to have a major surgery on his shoulder and his back, and he was prescribed those medications and he was in an incredible amount of pain, and and he was prescribed painkillers, but he had a plan before that, right?
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: And with the help of his now wife and his parents, like they kept that medication locked up in a safe, they dispersed it to him only absolutely when he needed it, and he FaceTimed me.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_00: So he was like, I want somebody else that's done this deal to watch me do this, and he poured when when he didn't need him anymore, when he wasn't living in in that like crazy heightened post-surgery amount of pain, he dumped them down the toilet and flushed them on FaceTime, you know.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like to thine own self be true, you know.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_00: Now it's not a question that I want to roll the dice on myself, but like I said, thank God I haven't been in those kind of situations.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_00: But like Dan, to your point, like with the volume, did you need it?
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, did you need it to get through?
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_00: And and were you being true to yourself and were you being honest with those people that are closest to you?
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_00: And then yeah, okay, and and then hopefully, if if we've checked yes to all those boxes, then we can also check yes to that honest look in the mirror where it's like, hey man, I've done this because you know a doctor prescribed it or because I needed it or whatever, and now I don't feel so right anymore, and now I maybe need to like put in some serious action so that I don't go back down that path that I've taken oh so many times, right?
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_03: So let's let's kind of finish up on this thought then.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_03: How would we how do we deal with or how would we give guidance to let's say someone we're mentoring?
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I know for me, asking them what kind of meds they're on, if they are on any, is one of the first conversations I have with a new person when I'm possibly mentoring them, because I I need to know.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's important information for me as the mentor to know.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_03: If I'm about to take you on this spiritual journey, you know, through this recovery process, like I think I should I need to know.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_03: And there are certain medications that are deal breakers for me.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_03: That doesn't mean I won't talk to them anymore.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_03: I'll still take their calls, I'll still take them to meetings, I still even might read some of the beginning parts of our literature and try to get them into some good habits, some prayer, some meditation, you know, healthy recovery habits.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_03: But there are certain meds that are complete deal breakers for me that I won't move past a certain early point in the recovery process.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_03: So um let's go, let's go Corey first on this one.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_01: So just like ment mentor-wise?
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, how do we how do we deal with uh if we're giving guidance to a to a someone we're mentoring or or just anything, yeah.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean I'm I'm basically with you on on it.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um I the la the last guy I I ended up mentoring, I I asked him what medications he was on.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_01: And that was only because I you had actually said those same words to me.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um that you just said.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I I never had before, I never really thought about it to be honest.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_01: I never of all the people that I've um attempted to help, I never asked him that question.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I generally I used I would find out or like it would come up or whatever, but right but yeah, no, I agree, and I was happy to find out that that one individual um was not on like Suboxen anymore and uh had like finished that out, like was on it, he was on like the maintenance program, but it like he was like the last one was the last one, and I was like, oh that's good.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go down that road, I guess.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_01: But um yeah, because dude, like I heard Brian say it best once.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um a guy was coming around the meetings and he was asking everybody to for help to to go through the program of recovery, and um but he was unwilling to get off of Suboxen.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_01: And um you know, again, none of us were doctors, and we and we made sure to you know preface our conversations with that and like look, it's up to you how you want to go about this, but in our experience, this is the deal.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_01: And um what I heard Brian say once to that to that individual was like, listen, man, like the thing is is we don't have the experience of going through this work and staying on medication as like a pitch.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like it kind of blew my mind to hear it because I hadn't I I'd already had my convictions about it for the most part, but I never heard uh somebody sum it up in such a way that couldn't really be argued.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's like of course, of course.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't take people like I like I don't make up my own way to help people get sober.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's a there's a path that was laid before us, right?
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: So why would that be any different now?
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't have the experience of getting sober that way, you know, quote unquote sober if you want to call it that or not.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_01: And um I'm and then uh otherwise, dude, generally speaking, I'm kind of okay with harm reduction at the same time.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm not for the person that's gonna work for, fucking go ahead and do Suboxing, I guess.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm talking to the individual that's going to die by thinking Suboxing's gonna save their life, you know?
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um I'm I'm that individual.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_01: I don't do I don't I'm not successful in Suboxing.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: So like that's really the person I'm appealing to.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_01: Do I think that Suboxing or any other maintenance program helps like a lot of people?
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_01: No, and I think most people are probably more harmed by it, but I'm just saying, like, but if that's your if that's your way of not sticking a needle in your arm, I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not gonna hit on that too much, you know.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_01: But I am gonna be honest with you about how I'm sober and how I think you can also be sober.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um But yeah, and I just want to say this real quick, and then I'm gonna be as far as the surgeries and thing and I actually just revisited this this topic with Gabby recently because I I you guys remember the cyst years ago?
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_01: A couple years ago?
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_01: Fucking ridiculous.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_01: I still have a cyst.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like I they some people recommend cutting it out, some people don't.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_01: So it's because they're like it's 50-50, it's gonna come back probably.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm hoping it doesn't, but generally speaking, it probably will um at some point.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought it was for a moment, but it's not.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_01: We're good, we're all good.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_01: But I started like I was like, fuck man, maybe I should just get that surgery.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I was kind of tossing it around with Gabby.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_01: But that's that's a fear of mine.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_01: One of my like, I don't do well with pain.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: But I know that's that's hard to believe, guys, but I'm a little bit of a bitch, and uh with pain.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, man, I hope like ibuprofen would be fine or whatever, and it probably is, but I don't know, like some people say it's not, whatever.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I think Gabby asked, like, well, what would you what would what would be your your way if it was that bad?
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like if the pain was that bad, like how would you do it?
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I said I think that I would let them write the script and I would not fill it.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_01: And if Sean was willing, I would let him hold on to the paper.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe that's not how it works anymore.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's been a while since I got a script, but at least then I gotta be like, Gabby, it's so much pain.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_01: I think I'm gonna call Sean and and ask him for a script to take to the pharmacy or whatever.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they could write it that way, I don't know.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then I gotta call Sean and be like, Sean, I I kinda gotta convince Sean, you know?
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm not saying you wouldn't let me be an adult and like just give it to me and be like, whatever.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna ask you to hold on to my narcotics.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_01: But you know what I mean?
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_03: Like, at least then I'd have to there's there's more steps in the process, it's not as just easy.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I I understand that.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like at least I think you would ask me at least a question or two, and I'd have to I would have to be that committed to lie, you know what I mean?
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe I would be if I was like caught in the obsession to use, but anyway.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_03: But but isn't isn't that kind of the catch 22?
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_03: If you're if you're already in that place where you're lying about it, you're kind of already screwed, like you know, because it all comes down to what's what's your spiritual condition like, and yes, do you have people in your life that can help dole them out to you or monitor this or monitor that?
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_03: And are you willing to have those people participate in that?
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's really like I said, I wouldn't necessarily give you like narcotics to hold on to because that's kind of illegal, like I said, but maybe there's a system where it's in the group chat with Gabby where it's like, hey, there's this many left or whatever.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_01: Luckily, I'm a procrastinator and I'm never gonna get a fucking surgeon.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_01: So there you go.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um go ahead, Dan, real quick.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um how do you deal with the mentor or the mentee, you know, when it comes to meds?
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_03: How would you deal with someone new in recovery with meds?
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, I think it's the same thing that Greg said with uh to thy own self be true.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_04: Because how are you gonna mentor somebody if you're do they're doing something you don't believe in?
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_04: And no, like it's uh uh Corey said, you know, that uh you know I I am not, I don't have the information, I don't have all the, you know what I mean, uh the experience, you know, because the experience, strength, and hope to help other people.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_04: So if I'm not experienced in it, but like for me, it's honestly, you know, like everything comes back to the sixth sense of having a spiritual condition that God is within you.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_04: And if you feel like you're going to be a mentor to somebody and you're not believing what they're doing, then how are you going to be of maximum help to them?
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_03: I agree.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_04: That's like that's that's the way that I always like approached it.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_04: It's not doesn't even matter what it is, you know.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, because we've all had the full gauntlet, I'm sure, or whether it's a boxing, or I still just smoke weed, but you can you help me?
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_04: Like all these things and whatever it is and all that stuff.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_04: And I just always judge it on that.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_04: You know, you meet with the person, you talk with the person, and you get the information, and you know, God's gonna light the path, man.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_04: I really what it comes down to in the end is that like I feel like that, you know, I I can be I can be a mentor to this person and maybe I can help.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_04: And it's it's never on me.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, you know, it was told to me.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_04: It's like uh I'm never the reason someone's going to stay sober or anyone's gonna not be, you know what I mean, like either either way, shape, or form.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_04: So what they do is really not, you know, I'm just trying to fulfill my purpose in this whole deal.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_04: And um yeah, I mean that that's the way that it was told to me is that you know, you you you try to be of maximum use to somebody, and if you're feeling that you're you're not believing in what they're doing or be to be able to do a maximum service to them, then it's a disservice to everybody.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, good point.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_03: Greg, close us out.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um I I would 100% be willing to sit down, talk with somebody, um, have them lay all that out for me, talk to them about you know, my experience and uh, you know, what what the disease of addiction is and everything like that, but it very early on in the the the way that our spiritual program is outlined very early on in the whole deal, it's the question is asked of us that are are do we believe that we are beyond human aid and Suboxing and anything else that would come along with it, that that's human aid right there, you know.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_00: So um, and I think that at that point if if that question is not a resounding yes, I believe I'm beyond human aid, well then you you got you got some stuff you still got to work on.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_00: You can still come to our groups, I'll still love to talk to you, I'll still love to support you, but at the end of the day, there's a ton of self-help groups out there.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_00: What we do in in our line of uh work, if you will, is uh life-altering spiritual change, right?
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_00: And and we are not gonna get there with those kind of barriers.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, and that's what I think that's well said.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_03: Well said.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um, thank you, boys, for the input.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_03: Uh guys had some great some great points, some great topics.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you posed some great questions.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_03: Hopefully, you pose some questions to some of our listeners.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and if nothing else, you've we've um helped educate them a little bit, and maybe educate to the wrong word on just how to deal with their own medications and doctors and and especially someone else's that they might be trying to help.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_03: So this thing is for fun and for free.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_04: And uh I think like one thing, like uh Sean, I was like like super, like I think you said it perfectly, man, is that what we all talked about is if you are prescribed something and you just make that decision with no extra thought, that's a problem.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_04: That that'd be my staple to everyone.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_04: Like you know what I mean.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_04: It's like if you're just making that decision, then that's an issue right there.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_03: Have have accountability, run it past people you trust.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_03: So good stuff, boys.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um good day of football.
• 1:00:38
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• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_03: Baseball playoffs, Corey.
• 1:00:41
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• 1:01:09
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• 1:01:10
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• 1:01:10
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• 1:01:12
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• 1:01:13
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• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_03: What?
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_03: Trudge that thing.
• 1:01:18
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• 1:01:20
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• 1:01:21
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