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Skye Wheatley Spotted with Controversial New Man · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Kate Torber. I'm Amy Torber. And I'm Sophie Torber. And
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  Speaker 1: coming up on today's show... But first, parents are being
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  Speaker 1: asked how they would respond to bullies in a hilarious
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  Speaker 1: new trend that is sweeping TikTok. Now, in most of
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  Speaker 1: these videos, it's adult children dishing insults at their boomer
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  Speaker 1: parents to see how they would respond.
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  Speaker 2: Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 3: Your kids are like such stuck up rats.
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  Speaker 4: No, they're not.
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  Speaker 1: I have raised really kind, sweet children. And how about
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  Speaker 1: you just mind your own business and try to raise
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  Speaker 1: your kids a little better because I think your kids
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  Speaker 1: fucking suck.
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  Speaker 3: Your teeth are yellow.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, no, they're not.
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  Speaker 3: And go fuck yourself. Why is your hairline chasing your ass?
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  Speaker 1: Why do you smell like shit?
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  Speaker 3: Why do your legs look so feminine?
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  Speaker 4: Why do your legs look like fucking tree trunks and
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  Speaker 4: rubbing together?
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  Speaker 3: Where do you get your sports bras from?
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  Speaker 1: Where do you get your training bras from? The dad
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  Speaker 1: in the video not only sounds exactly like Louis Litt
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  Speaker 1: from Suits, but really looks like him. The top comment
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  Speaker 1: on the video with over 100,000 likes was like, is
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  Speaker 1: that Louis Litt? I just love how savage all of
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  Speaker 1: the parents' comments were. We actually thought it'd be fun
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  Speaker 1: to respond to some of our bullies. So I have
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  Speaker 1: compiled some of the nastier comments that have been said
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  Speaker 1: about us online. I want to point out for those
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  Speaker 1: without a sense of humour, this is satirical. Our responses
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  Speaker 1: are satirical. Well, we wanted to see who handled the
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  Speaker 1: bullies the best. So I think we're going to start
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  Speaker 1: with you, Soph. When you say handled it the best,
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  Speaker 1: is it the funniest response or is it who handles
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  Speaker 1: it in a mature way? Because I'm not sure. I
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  Speaker 1: think the funniest response. Yeah, the response that would go
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  Speaker 1: off on TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Sophie. You are so orange, you look like an
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  Speaker 2: oompa loompa.
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  Speaker 1: Orange. I take that as a compliment. That's a badge
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  Speaker 1: of honour. It's taken me weeks and weeks and weeks
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  Speaker 1: to look at this. I prefer to use the word tanned.
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  Speaker 2: Again, Oompa Loompa. I think I said Dorito. Oompa Loompa.
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather look like an Oompa Loompa than some pale seagull.
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  Speaker 2: Your elbows look like tiger rolls.
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  Speaker 1: Tiger rolls? I mean, well, my legs look like tiger rolls.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, I do have orange elbows from time to time.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, well, better, as I said, better looking pasty
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  Speaker 1: white like you. That one wasn't actually in there, but
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  Speaker 1: I just wanted to throw that one in. Why do
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  Speaker 1: you wear so much makeup? I don't wear makeup. What
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  Speaker 1: are you talking about? I just wake up and look
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  Speaker 1: like this. You look like the guy from White Chicks.
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  Speaker 1: Now that one does hurt. That has been directed at
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  Speaker 1: me from some fucking assholes, may I point out.
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  Speaker 2: Sophie, we just need your immediate reaction to it. You
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  Speaker 2: look like that guy from White Chicks.
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  Speaker 1: He's a fucking hottie. I mean that is two guys
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  Speaker 1: dressed up as women and they look insane. People thought
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  Speaker 1: that they were the heiresses. I think your responses are
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  Speaker 1: pretty shit. Let's go to Kate. She is known as
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  Speaker 1: the acid tongue on the podcast. So, Kate, you look
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  Speaker 1: like you're being held hostage at your wedding.
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  Speaker 2: Go fuck your mum.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm just joking.
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  Speaker 4: Your mum?
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  Speaker 2: That was a joke. I didn't want that to actually air.
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  Speaker 3: That's hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: Your mum?
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  Speaker 2: Your hair washes you out. No, that was to me.
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  Speaker 2: Who said that? No, that was at me. That was
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  Speaker 2: at me. At least I have hair. I mean, not
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  Speaker 2: much of it. Your voice is monotone.
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  Speaker 1: At least I'm smart. At least I'm smart. Kate's a
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  Speaker 1: very like cut through mind. She's like the exact, she's
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  Speaker 1: exactly like the boomers in these videos.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I saw this one online.
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  Speaker 1: Your bridesmaid dresses were nicer than your actual wedding dress, Amy.
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  Speaker 2: Least I got married, fuckhead.
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  Speaker 1: That was good, wasn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my God. Actually, I saw this- Please don't cancel
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  Speaker 2: us over this. This is hysterical. I saw this.
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  Speaker 1: Video going viral and it was one of the girls
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  Speaker 1: who works at Shameless and she was a bridesmaid.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was in her sister's wedding. It was
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  Speaker 2: Rihanna Joyce, wasn't it? Yeah, Rihanna Joyce.
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  Speaker 1: And the video went viral because all of the comments
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  Speaker 1: were saying just how ugly these bridesmaid dresses were. Like
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  Speaker 1: someone said- They almost looked the same colour as a band-aid.
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  Speaker 1: Because they were, yeah, they were the same colour as
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  Speaker 1: a band-aid and they were lace. They actually looked better
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  Speaker 1: in other videos because this popped up for me. I
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  Speaker 1: sent it immediately to you guys and I had to
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  Speaker 1: survey the dresses in different light. A lot of people
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  Speaker 1: were saying, oh, I see what the bride did here.
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  Speaker 1: She purposely tried to make everyone look bad so that
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  Speaker 1: she looked even better. I saw a clip of Rihanna
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  Speaker 1: talking about it on Stylish.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And to be fair, they were having a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a laugh about it.
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  Speaker 2: Like she took it well. The dresses cost like $ 1, 000 though. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I showed Dale, I said, check out these dresses. What
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  Speaker 2: do you think? And he goes, oh, they're actually really nice.
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  Speaker 2: I said, are you serious?
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  Speaker 1: I said, everyone has been going on that these are
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  Speaker 1: the ugliest bridesmaids dresses they've ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, really?
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  Speaker 1: No disrespect to Dale, but I don't think he's some fashionista.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, that was the thing though. Rihanna Joyce,
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  Speaker 1: you know, she's into fashion. Her sister presumably is. The
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  Speaker 1: fact that they had this hefty price tag, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people were saying that the dresses would have looked.
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  Speaker 2: Better It was all grouped together. It kind of reminds
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  Speaker 2: me of the Emperor's New Clothes.
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  Speaker 1: Like I think that they must have thought these dresses
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  Speaker 1: were the most stylish thing ever, but to the common man,
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  Speaker 1: everyone's like, these are fucking gross. Well, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: more that they wanted to be different rather than just
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  Speaker 1: have The run of the mill will bog standard, as
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  Speaker 1: you like to say, Amy Beckenbridge or Shona Joy, which
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I had at my wedding. Everyone seems to have.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's currently a draw between Kate and I.
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  Speaker 1: I think you were shit at responding. So why don't
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  Speaker 1: you throw one at Kate and I so we can
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  Speaker 1: decide who wins this.
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  Speaker 2: Your editing sucks and you need to get better at it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, maybe it's your topics that fucking suck because you
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  Speaker 1: can't spit anything out to save your life.
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  Speaker 2: That's not even accurate, is it, Kate? Anyway, one for Kate.
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  Speaker 2: Not a fan of that one. That was average.
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  Speaker 1: Kate.
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  Speaker 2: Kate, you really like to hear the sound of your
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  Speaker 2: own voice. Well, better than listening to you. All right,
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  Speaker 2: I think that's it. That was so boomer. Wasn't that
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  Speaker 2: the whole point of this? Kate wins.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. It reminds me of Will Ferrell in that
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  Speaker 1: movie Semi-Pro when the umpire pings him for something and.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, suck my cock, I'll murder your family.
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  Speaker 1: Which, after playing social netball, that's not far from what
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  Speaker 1: people would say.
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  Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong, I love Sofa Dover and this
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  Speaker 4: is not hate, but girl, why are you constantly partnering
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  Speaker 4: with your direct competitors?
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  Speaker 3: It's only August.
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  Speaker 1: Sofa Dover has divided opinions by becoming the face of
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  Speaker 1: Glasson's premium capsule collection. The fashion influencer announced the news
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  Speaker 1: late last week to fanfare, but some savvy followers questioned
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  Speaker 1: how the partnership would affect her own fashion label that
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  Speaker 1: is in direct competition with the fast fashion giant. So
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  Speaker 1: much so that Glassens has been accused online of allegedly
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  Speaker 1: releasing a dupe of Sofa's brand's viral tank top. Now, Soph,
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  Speaker 1: before we get into it, can you get listeners up
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  Speaker 1: to speed with who Sofa Dofi is? Well, her real
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  Speaker 1: name is Sophia Begg, and she is a 22-year-old fashion
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  Speaker 1: influencer with a combined following of over 3 million people. Now,
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  Speaker 1: in 2023, she launched her own fashion label, All For Mimi,
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  Speaker 1: which is now a multi-million dollar business. Now, as you
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  Speaker 1: touched on, Amy, the brand is renowned for creating a
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  Speaker 1: viral $ 59 tank top that constantly sells out. It is
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  Speaker 1: so hard to get your hands on it. And it's
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  Speaker 1: not just Gen Zers who are hyping this brand up.
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  Speaker 1: All4Mimi has earned serious industry recognition. It won the TikTok
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  Speaker 1: Business of the Year award and gained Sofa a spot
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  Speaker 1: on Forbes' Under 30 list. Now, all the drama kicked
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  Speaker 1: off late last week when Sofa was announced as the
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  Speaker 1: face of Glasson's new EDT Capsule 8 collection.
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  Speaker 2: Which launched yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: I want to point out that we are recording the
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  Speaker 1: day that it launches and I've had a look online.
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  Speaker 1: We're recording this in the mid-afternoon and there are a
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  Speaker 1: few items that have sold out, but the whole collection
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  Speaker 1: is yet to be a complete sellout, which actually surprises
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  Speaker 1: me a little bit. Now, this capsule is being positioned
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  Speaker 1: as Glasson's most premium collection to date. With pieces including corsets,
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  Speaker 1: satin dresses, sheer trousers.
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  Speaker 2: And wool and cashmere knitwear.
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  Speaker 1: Sofa even did a meet and greet at Glasson's Bondi
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  Speaker 1: store over the weekend.
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  Speaker 2: I was surprised to see that there weren't that many
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  Speaker 2: people there. At least the pictures made it look like
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  Speaker 2: it was quite quiet. Is it just because we're older?
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  Speaker 2: But I don't, I wouldn't go line up to see
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  Speaker 2: an influencer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think Sofa's audience would. As you said,
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  Speaker 1: she is 22. She really taps into that Gen Z-er market.
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  Speaker 1: I actually thought there would be a big line-up. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you've only got to think a couple of years ago,
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  Speaker 1: Anna Paul shut down Perth CBD because she made an
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  Speaker 1: appearance at Stack. So I would think that Sofa Dofa
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  Speaker 1: would have a similar following in terms that they want
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  Speaker 1: to meet her, they really like her. Well, also more
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  Speaker 1: recently when she launched that marcher that smelt like fish,
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  Speaker 1: there were heaps of people lining up to meet her
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  Speaker 1: at the petrol station. Well, this collaboration has sparked some
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  Speaker 1: confusement online. A TikToker by the name of Jess Mess
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  Speaker 1: questioned why Sofa constantly partnered with her direct competitors. So
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  Speaker 1: despite Jess only having 500 followers, her video has gone viral,
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  Speaker 1: notching up almost 600,000 views at the time of recording.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to some of what she said.
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  Speaker 4: When you're having like your own personal range, it's like,
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  Speaker 4: isn't that what your brand is?
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  Speaker 1: Is it not?
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  Speaker 4: And I understand it's an edit and I understand how
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  Speaker 4: that works, blah.
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  Speaker 1: Blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 4: Save your secret sauce for your own brand. Like anything
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  Speaker 4: Sofa Dover touches just turns into gold. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the glasses blue corset. But to me, it's like, there's
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  Speaker 4: not much longevity in your own brand.
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  Speaker 3: If you give that up to anyone with a big fat.
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  Speaker 4: Check right now, because as a consumer, we should be
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  Speaker 4: invested in waiting for the pieces from your brand to
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  Speaker 4: get that.
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  Speaker 3: Like, leave me hungry.
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  Speaker 4: Leave me with, you know, because it's like people have
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  Speaker 4: a finite amount of money. And the people that really
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  Speaker 4: love and support her are in the comments right now
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  Speaker 4: being like, oh my God, I immediately need to buy
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  Speaker 4: all this. And that could have been a sale for
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  Speaker 4: your brand or a new customer for your brand that
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  Speaker 4: you've just kind of given away to Glassons.
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  Speaker 2: I tend to agree with Jess.
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  Speaker 1: Now, her thoughts sparked a debate in the comment section.
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  Speaker 1: So many agreed with her while others claimed it was
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  Speaker 1: genius of Sofa to essentially have her pie and eat
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  Speaker 1: it too.
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  Speaker 2: What do you guys think?
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  Speaker 1: Look, the thing is, it's complicated because she's not just
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  Speaker 1: a fashion influencer anymore. She's also the founder of a
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  Speaker 1: fashion brand. So there are conflicts that she really needs
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  Speaker 1: to contend with. And she was actually asked about how
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  Speaker 1: she manages both in an interview earlier this year. And
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  Speaker 1: she said that she has deliberately tried to separate All
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  Speaker 1: For Mimi from her personal brand. She admitted that when
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  Speaker 1: the brand first launched, they were essentially one entity. That's
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  Speaker 1: her brand and her personal brand. However, she says that
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  Speaker 1: they are much more distinct now that her best friend
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  Speaker 1: Bailey White has become the face of All For Mimi
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  Speaker 1: social channels. Now, I've had a look at the social channels.
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  Speaker 1: From an outside perspective, I think it still heavily relies
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  Speaker 1: on Sofa Dover's personal brand. I mean, she's in almost
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  Speaker 1: all of the videos with Bailey and it's not just
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  Speaker 1: your regular fashion brand content. They share like taste tests,
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  Speaker 1: they do best friend challenges, they vlog when they're on holidays.
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  Speaker 1: In terms of All For Mimi, is it a premium brand?
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  Speaker 1: Like is it sort of far removed from fast fashion?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a little bit more expensive, but it's
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  Speaker 1: not high end. And the way I look at it,
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  Speaker 1: it's still very much run as an influencer brand. It's
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  Speaker 1: not like your one miles and your Henny and your
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  Speaker 1: fate where it really stands alone. I mean, sofa is
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  Speaker 1: very much front and center on their websites. When you
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  Speaker 1: have a look at the products, she does have other
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  Speaker 1: people modeling them, but she's always in the photos. Like
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  Speaker 1: there's at least one photo of her in every single
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  Speaker 1: item on the website. I asked that question because I
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  Speaker 1: would say with Sammy Robinson's brand one mile, that's a
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  Speaker 1: premium brand. And I think that Sammy Robinson knows that
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  Speaker 1: whatever other fashion brands that she promotes, as an influencer,
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  Speaker 1: do actually reflect on one mile at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day. She only really posts herself in other high
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  Speaker 1: quality Australian brands. Like recently I saw she was in
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  Speaker 1: a wedding and she wore a Beckenbridge dress and tagged Beckenbridge,
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  Speaker 1: but you don't see her tagging Australian fast fashion brands
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  Speaker 1: because she doesn't want.
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  Speaker 2: To associate with them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it makes sense as to why she
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  Speaker 1: does it. When you look at other influencers like Britt Saunders,
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  Speaker 1: who owns Fate, and Nadia Bartel, who owns Henny, they
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  Speaker 1: don't generally work with their competitors. It doesn't mean that
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  Speaker 1: they don't promote other brands. But the brands are sort
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  Speaker 1: of more fashion adjacent. So they promote things like bags
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  Speaker 1: or shoes or beauty or skincare or hair or jewelry
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  Speaker 1: and maybe then items of clothing that they don't sell
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  Speaker 1: in store. So One Mile isn't known for its formal dresses.
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  Speaker 1: So it makes sense that Sammy Robinson, you know, can
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  Speaker 1: put out a bit of a plug for a Beckenbridge
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  Speaker 1: dress because it's not competition with her own brand. I
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  Speaker 1: suppose it really poses the question, can you be a
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  Speaker 1: fashion influencer when you own your own fashion brand? It
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  Speaker 1: is a really tricky one because Sofa is clearly trying
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  Speaker 1: to make it work. Glassons isn't the only fashion brand
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  Speaker 1: that she works with. She still works with a lot
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  Speaker 1: of others on her personal channel. And I understand why
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  Speaker 1: she wants to keep her relationship with fashion brands. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they're her bread and butter at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 1: She has a Gen Z audience that heavily relies on
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  Speaker 1: her fashion content. And I'm sure Glassons has provided her
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  Speaker 1: with a very, very large paycheck. At the same time, though,
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  Speaker 1: I do agree with Jess Messer's view that it's not
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  Speaker 1: the best for the long-term strategy of all for Mimi.
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  Speaker 1: I think in this instance, Sofa has made an exception
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  Speaker 1: for Glassons because they were part of the reason her
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  Speaker 1: career skyrocketed. As Jess referenced in her TikTok, Back in 2021,
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  Speaker 1: when Sophia was just 17, she wore a Glassons blue
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  Speaker 1: corset that went absolutely viral. There were so many people
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  Speaker 1: trying to buy it at one stage that Glassons website
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  Speaker 1: actually crashed and the product sold out online. And since then,
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  Speaker 1: Sophia has been doing on and off work with Glassons.
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  Speaker 1: So this campaign is really being promoted as this full
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  Speaker 1: circle moment. However, It's not like she's got an equity
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  Speaker 1: stake in Glassons or is a creative director like we
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  Speaker 1: saw happen with Molly May in Pretty Little Thing. And
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  Speaker 1: for me, it makes total sense why Glassons want to
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  Speaker 1: work with her. You know, they've created this really strong
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  Speaker 1: piece of brand storytelling with this recent campaign. You've got
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  Speaker 1: this like perfect full circle moment. So she's incredibly valuable
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  Speaker 1: to Glassons. They've benefited enormously from this association with her
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  Speaker 1: and then also for All For Mimi, but what's in.
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  Speaker 2: It for her?
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  Speaker 1: Well, a big fat paycheck at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: which must make it worth it for her to risk
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  Speaker 1: things with all for Mimi. That is such a good
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  Speaker 1: point though. It is literally like if Molly May out
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  Speaker 1: of the blue did a new capture with Pretty Little Thing, everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Would be like, what about maybe?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Glassons is essentially getting a founder of very
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  Speaker 1: successful Gen Z fashion label to sell Glassons to her audience.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's in complete conflict of interest. Because when
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  Speaker 1: you have a look at Sofa's brand and Glassons, there
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  Speaker 1: is definite product overlap, even more when you consider that
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  Speaker 1: this is Glassons' more premium collection. At the very least,
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  Speaker 1: I would have thought it would be an all for
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  Speaker 1: Mimi times Glassons range. I feel like that would make
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  Speaker 1: things even murkier though, because not to slag on Glassons,
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  Speaker 1: because I do quite enjoy shopping there, but you do
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: think of it being a fast fashion brand with pieces
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: that you get rid of from year to year. I mean,
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: you don't hold onto those pieces, do you? Whereas All
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: For Mimi, I feel like it's trying to present itself
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: as being a little bit more premium. Yeah. But the
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: thing is this collection that Sofa is the face of
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: is their goal at being premium. So it would make sense.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: And then also Sofa's getting her brand All For Mimi
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: out to Glasson's audience. Whereas at the moment, a lot
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: of people probably don't even know that she's got her
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: own brand that shop at Glasson's. Another awkward element is
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: the online commentary around Glasson's allegedly creating a dupe of
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: the All For Mimi viral tank. Now, this tank in
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: question is made with a very specific fit, so you
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: can wear it without a bra, and it is so popular,
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: it just constantly keeps selling out online. And SOFA has
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: not publicly commented on it, But you would think a
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: brand creating a very similar version of your hero product
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: wouldn't go unnoticed, particularly when you consider that Sofa has
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: a history of calling out large fashion brands for allegedly
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: replicating smaller designers work.
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, if I had my own brand and a
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: fast fashion brand replicated it and then charge less for it,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: I'd be pretty fuming.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to then go and work with them.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, when you consider the fact that Sofa has
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: a history of calling out fashion brands It's surprising that
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: she stayed quiet about it because back in 2022, she
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: cancelled her existing contract with White Fox Boutique after they
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: were accused of allegedly copying other designers. It's important to
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: note that White Fox Boutique denied any wrongdoing. Yeah, and
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: at the time, this was pretty groundbreaking because she was
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: very young and she was just starting out in the industry.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: So for her to call out such a big brand
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: and do it so publicly... It showed that she was
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: operating with a lot of integrity. And only a year later,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: she launched her own fashion brand. So it is strange
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: to see her then go and work with Glassons, who
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: has been accused of copying her design.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: I would love to know what's in this contract.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, particularly because a lot of brands put non-compete
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: clauses in influencers' contracts. I mean, they couldn't really do
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: that with her own brand, could they?
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: I'm interested to know how that would be worded, really.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I'd also love to know how much she's getting paid.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Like surely it would have to be in the six figures. Look,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: my stab in the dark would be at least.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: $ 200, 000, if not more. Does that include the appearance?
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, there'd be an appearance fee on top of that.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: But I just think in order for her to be
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: the face of this capsule brand, which puts her own
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: brand at jeopardy, it'd have to be over the $ 200, 000 mark.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: So do you think they would make $ 200, 000? Definitely. Yeah,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: for sure. Definitely.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is rolled out. across Australia. I wonder
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: if it's rolled out in other countries, like in Asia
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: as well. It's an Australasia collection. I mean, Glassons is
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: from New Zealand, so it would be in New Zealand
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: as well. I actually think it could be 500,000. If
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: anyone knows, if there's any insiders, scoops, DM us. The
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: owner of a Nantucket store has sparked debate after erecting
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: a sign that reads, No Influencers. The tiny island has
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: become a magnet for content creators who've been accused of
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: using local stores as backdrops for their Instagram photos. So
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: this post ignited a social media storm with a large-scale
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: US creator weighing in. Yeah, that's right. This post has
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: literally divided the community. Now, the store in question is
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: called 4Wind Craft Guild.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not particularly catchy, is it?
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: It sells antiques and artisan craft that come with a
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: hefty price tag. For instance, a handmade purse made from
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: a wicker basket starts from $ 1, 800 US dollars. Cheapy. So
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: it sort of gives you the vibe of this store. Now,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: this sign in question isn't just a cardboard sign in
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the window. The words have been permanently embossed in gold
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: lettering on a handmade sign that that now hangs from
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: a chain on the ceiling.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Of the store. So this is permanent.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: So if you're an influencer, you have to actually step
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: foot in the store to realise that you're unwanted.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: What about the influencers that are hanging out the front.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Taking photos out the front of the store?
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it needs to be out the front too.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Maybe they need to add a secondary sign. Maybe they
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: need to say on the sign what level of influencer
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: as well. Like are they accepting micro-influencers? I mean I
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: think it's just anyone who's obnoxiously taking photos it appears
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: to be.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: But that could be anyone.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: You don't even have to be an influencer. Like you
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: could have five followers and be creating content.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: It'd be fucking annoying.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Well, the owner, John Sylvia– He hung the sign earlier
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: this summer and he says it was supposed to be
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: tongue in cheek. Well, at least he claims that now
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: that there's been this huge reaction. So he told the
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: New York Times, I feel sometimes my store is used
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: to someone's.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Background, a stage.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: He added visitors take photos and videos, but don't make
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: purchases or even try to engage in polite conversation. I mean,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: are you surprised when a little purse costs $ 1, 800 that
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: people aren't buying stuff? we are they living in this
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: society where people care more about what others think of
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: them online than what the person in front of them
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: thinks so I can kind of I mean I'm guessing
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: that this man probably is in the age category of
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: a boomer and he's.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Fucking had enough like I can see how people get
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: to that level.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: The thing is if you're legitimately in the market for
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: an eighteen hundred dollar purse and you're trying to make
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: that purchase you don't want people going in there And
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: making content about the expensive things that they're finding on
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: their holiday, do you?
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: No, you don't.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: And I mean, also when you look at how expensive
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: it is to run a business day to day, you'd
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: be very frustrated that people just come in and don't
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: purchase anything.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Now, Amy, John, you've guessed it. He is a boomer.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: He's 59. And he said that the sign wasn't meant
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: to be interpreted literally. He said, I don't have this
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: hatred towards influencers. It was more of a joke. It
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: is a problem we should look at as a society.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: This reminds me of an incident, I don't know, a
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago in Notting Hill where people were
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: just fed up with influencers standing outside of their house
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: taking photos.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: To be fair, I've been to Notting Hill and it's
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: not just influencers.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: People like me were taking photos outside the blue door.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: I think he has a problem with everyone doing it.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: But he's almost giving them the light to take a
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: photo because who wouldn't want to take a photo in
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the store of the sign? Well, the thing that's quite
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: ironic is that they actually uploaded a photo of this
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: sign to the store's Instagram account and that's what sparked
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: the fierce debate. So a lot of people praise the
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: business for taking a stand against influencer culture. whilst others
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: pointed out that plenty of visitors who aren't influencers may
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: also be guilty of taking photos in store. Now, things
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: went up a notch when US influencer Paige Lorenz entered
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: the chat. So she is a lifestyle influencer and entrepreneur
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: with 1.2 million followers on Instagram. She is married to
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: professional tennis player Tommy Paul. and is the founder of
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: fashion brand Dairy Boy, which opened its first brick and
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: mortar store just around the corner from Four Winds shop
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: in May. So this seems almost personal. So Paige left
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: a passionate comment under the post writing, if you call
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: yourself a feminist, but proudly put up a no influencer sign,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: it's worth asking who you are attempting to delegitimize and why.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: It continued, mocking women when they become powerful in a
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: new industry isn't new. It's just a strange message coming
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: from a store that celebrates a craft with such a
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: rich history of women shaping the island and its economy.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: She then went on to point out the positive impact
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: that influencers can have on a business. She wrote, for
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: those who don't know, the creator economy is overwhelmingly driven
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: by women. Brands have shifted billions of dollars into creator
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: marketing because it consistently delivers something traditional advertising can't. trust, community,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: and measurable sales. She finished by saying one woman with
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: a loyal audience can successfully launch a business at a
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: scale that would have once required corporate backing and massive
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: advertising budgets.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: That's a win. This sign isn't.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: So she was pointing out to herself the fact that
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: with her influencer background, she has managed to launch her
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: own brand and have a brick and mortar store just
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: down the road from this other business. I totally understand
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: where she's coming from. But in this instance, I don't
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: think it's that deep. I think this is just a
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: boomer guy who's gone, I'm so fucking annoyed at people
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: taking photos and we're going to stick up this funny sign.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: But don't you think that as a small business, even
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: if someone doesn't buy something from your store, it's a
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: bit of a win if they've posted about it because
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: it opens you up to a new market of people?
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I think in this instance, there's an age divide here.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: And while I understand what this influencer is saying, sometimes...
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: influencers are nuisances. Sometimes they're fucking annoying and not everybody
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: wants to be burdened by them coming in and sticking
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: their camera in everybody's faces.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, I saw this on TikTok recently.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: There was this viral video where someone filmed themselves receiving
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: their McDonald's order and the girl working at McDonald's went
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: absolutely nuts.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: She gave him the fingers like, Back off.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: And people in the comments were like, fair enough. She's
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: not asking to be filmed. She doesn't want to be
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: included in this. Yeah, but then again, I think a
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: lot of tourists go into these stores and they want
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: to capture their experience and share about it for people
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: back home to see as well. And this store is saying, well, actually,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: this is not the store to do it. But don't
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you feel like the sign is sort of there to
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: embarrass anyone who dares to take a photo? Like there's
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: almost this element of shame there.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: No, it's a joke. I just think it is in
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: response to.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: And it's not even big scale influencers like Molly Mae and,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: you know, people that have a genuinely large following. A
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: lot of them don't actually want to vlog in public
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: because they find it embarrassing. And the reason they find
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: it embarrassing is because everyone is doing it now. Everyone
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: has this air of arrogance that they're an influencer and
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: they're creating content. And, you know, if that's what you
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: want to do, go for your life. But there are
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: going to be people around you that find it annoying
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: when you're standing... in Target filming the rack. I mean,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: have you seen some of these people that are obsessed?
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: You know those, the Target marble lamp?
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: It costs like 20 bucks.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: It's a Kmart. Yeah, sorry, Kmart. Well, they're all Anko,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: aren't they?
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an Anko one. It's probably available in Target too.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: And they're literally like as rare as hen's teeth at
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: the moment. And there are millennial women who are getting
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: so excited when they find them. They're about to be like,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: they're not even on the shelf.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: It's like it's their ushi, like their gold ushi or whatever.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like on a cart ready to be stocked
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: and they're ripping them from the cart and then going
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: up to the cash register and they're not actually allowed
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: to buy them because they're like, no, they haven't been
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: put on the shelf. Anyway, my point is that everyone
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: is an influencer these days and good on them.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: If that's what you want to do.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: But when you're out and about in public trying to
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: look at an $ 1, 800 purse and.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: It's annoying when people are filming. Well, that's the thing.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, when you do look at a lot of
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: the comments on this post, a lot of residents were
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: getting behind him and saying that in the past 10 years,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: this island has literally become overrun by influencers. There are
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of brands using the island as a PR destination.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: This summer, brands like Hotel Lobby Candle and Sam Elderman
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: They've flown influencers in and they've given them all these
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: lavish gifts and experiences. Last year, there was also a
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: content creator who hosted a four-day adult summer camp for
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: creators and the camp cost $ 3, 800 per person. And she
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: ruffled a lot of feathers because she started contacting local
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: businesses and asking for freebies and free experiences for influencers.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: So I feel like they've just had a gut full
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: of it. I mean, one resident said under this post
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: that When she walks around the town, she's inundated with
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: people creating videos on the corner of themselves, sipping an
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: iced coffee and looking over their shoulder.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Is that Sophie J.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Miller? Because I have been keeping up with her US vlog,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: which I'm thoroughly enjoying.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Looks amazing. But- The amount of iced coffee that she
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: is drinking at the moment.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Actually, I saw the other day she got a tahini
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: and date iced coffee or something.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Watched that one last night. And she was like, oh,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: this drink just describes me so well. And I was like,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: it actually does.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: In her defense though, like literally all I want to
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: do is go to Nantucket and because it looks insane.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I was saying I want to go to Newport. Like
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: she has made it look incredible. This whole issue with
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: influencers at tourist locations is just getting bigger and bigger.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, we discussed it earlier this year in Bali,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: the fact that they've now got immigration officers patrolling to
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: make sure that influencers have the right visas to be
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: creating content there because people are absolutely sick of influencers
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: invading Bali.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: It's going to start happening everywhere.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: You were talking before about how a lot of residents
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: in Notting Hill get pissed off when people take photos
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: out the front of their colourful doors. Well, this is
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: happening in Nantucket as well because basically any house with hydrangeas,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: women are literally showing up with racks of clothes to
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: stage elaborate photo shoots. I mean, people are just fucking
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: over it, it sounds like. Didn't that happen in Australia?
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: There was a street with all these jacaranda trees that
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: bloom at a certain time and it was like they
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: had to sort of close off the street because people
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: were being so fucking annoying. That's the thing. It's like
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: back in the day when there was only a handful
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: of influencers around, people would walk past, smirk, maybe take
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: a photo, send it to Shit Adelaide or whatever your
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: state's equivalent page was.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Brown cardigan. Have a bit of a laugh.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: These days though, it's literally the majority of people doing
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: it and, you know, normal people who don't have a
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: following will go, oh, I want to go take a
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: photo down that really aesthetic street because I've seen it
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: on TikTok. Like I think it's just the saturation of
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: influences and then people being influenced to take the same
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: sort of photos and it's just like ruining destination. Just
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: getting back to Four Winds post, it was pretty funny
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: because it literally hits such a nerve with people because
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: that they started reporting the page and the post actually
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: got removed. And the business ended up clapping back on
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: their Instagram story saying, imagine being so bored with your
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: life that you spend your past time trying to report
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: a photo on IG that makes you feel uncomfortable. They
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: then ended up resharing the image of their no influencer
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: sign with the caption, take two.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Well, the sign seems to have won them a lot
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: of fans because the business has actually picked up 8,000
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: extra followers. So, I mean, it's kind of ironic because
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: their account now has 17,000 followers. They're becoming the people
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: that they hate. A newly single Sky Wheatley has been
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: spotted with a new man just months after her split
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: from baby daddy, Lockie Waugh.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: The former Big.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Brother contestant was papped having dinner with controversial questions comedian
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Julian Woods at Fortitude Valley.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Now, so if the pap walks continue.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just last week, we were talking about
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Matt Sikowsky's stage pap shots with the Daily Mail. And
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: then this week, we're seeing Sky Wheatley papped on the
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: street with a somewhat high profile man for dinner. I mean,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Surely Skye doesn't have paps just following her every move.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: This has to be set up too. Look, she's got
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: a history of it.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: So I would not be surprised if she made a
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: sneaky little phone call.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: I think this is a case of Skye wanting Lockie
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: to know that she's got a new man.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I actually don't think this is for Lockie's benefit at all.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I think this is just profile building. I mean, Side note,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: it could have been Julian who called the pass.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, it was not Julian. It was 100% Sky.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: And it does actually seem like a dig at Lockie
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: because they haven't even publicly announced that they're not together.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: And surely this would hurt him.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: It signals to me that things are probably a bit
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: nasty between the pair because normally when you share children,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: you try and keep this.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Sort of stuff out of the public eye. And that
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: is a good point.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: We need to talk about Julian Woods though, because this
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: is an interesting pairing. I mean, He and Sky actually
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: have a fair bit in common because they've both been
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: cancelled a lot of times. So Julian is a very
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: divisive Australian comedian with a massive online following. He has
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: 433,000 followers on Instagram and 878,000 on TikTok. This makes
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: more sense as to why Sky wanted to be seen
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: with him because remember back in the day when she
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: called the paps, when she was hanging out with, who's
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: that OG Aussie influencer with the blonde hair?
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know who you're talking about, but I can't
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: think of his name.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: His name's on the tip of my tongue. Really blonde hair,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: very tanned, from the Gold Coast.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: That could be a lot of people.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I know who you mean as well. I was going
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: to say as a joke, Corey Worthington. Yeah, no, he
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: looks like Corey Worthington. Everyone's probably yelling at the podcast
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: right now, but I just had to do a live Google.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: It's Kurt Coleman, who we're thinking of. Oh, that's right.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Well, getting back to Julian, the media have dubbed him
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: a rage baiter. And his recent stand-up comedy tour was
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: even called Cancel Me. So you're getting the vibe and
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the sort of comedy that he shares. I mean, at
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: the start of the year, he was in a lot
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: of hot water for a comedy skit where he made
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: light of miscarriage. I'm actually not going to go into
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: the skit itself because it was incredibly... offensive. I mean,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the video elicited a huge response. Many labelled it repugnant.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: It also had a wave of misogynistic responses, though, from
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: his loyal followers, leading Julian to double down in the
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: comments section. His name was also in the headlines at
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: the end of last year when he was arrested and
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: detained in Bali with controversial porn star Bonnie Blue.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Was that him? Yeah.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: So he said he travelled to Bali after a comedy
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: tour and he thought he was filming comedy sketches with Bonnie.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: He has denied participating in pornography and was never formally charged.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: He was released about eight days after his arrest. Well,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: we all know Sky Wheatley's views on OnlyFans. Yeah, surely
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: she wouldn't be a fan of that. It gets worse
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: because he's also been accused of being anti-Semitic, homophobic and
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: also racist, in particular towards the Asian community. So he
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: has played on a lot of racial stereotypes and used
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: exaggerated Asian accents and He also creates content with Shooter Williams.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: So you're kind of getting the vibe of the content
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: that he puts out there.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, he says his comedy plays into dark humour.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: That's his defence for a lot of his sketches. How
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: do you think Sky's followers will react to this new guy?
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Because we know Sky has had her own controversies throughout
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: her influencer career. Yeah, I mean, it sounds like their
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: humour might be on a similar wavelength, but Skye has
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: always been forgiven because she's pretty lovable. I mean, it
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: sounds like her and this guy have pretty similar senses
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: of humour. The thing with Skye is, though, she never
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: means to offend and people often forgive her almost instantly.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: There's always a little bit of drama and then people
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: are like, oh, she doesn't know any better. I mean,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago she won I'm a Celeb.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: That's how popular she is. I think the general Australian public...
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: The battlers really like her. And it's probably the same
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: demographic that like this comedian. It actually makes me want
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: to follow Sky because I don't follow her at the moment.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: But now that she's single, I'm like, oh, I want
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: to tune in. I want to see what she's post about.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Who is she dating?
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: As someone who has followed her for over 10 years,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, since she was on Big Brother, really, it
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: makes me sad that she's not with Lockie. Like there's
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: a part of me that, you know, I know they
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: broke up all the time, but We're just so used
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: to them getting back together. And it's like, this seems
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: really final, the fact that she's on a date with
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: someone else. Or is this just content? Is she going
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: to start popping up in some of his videos now?
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Is this some form of collaboration that they're working on?
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, the relationship might not even be romantic. I mean,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: when I saw him, I'm like, he doesn't look like
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: her type. Like, I can't really imagine the pair together.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Let's not forget she's called the paps or one of
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: them have called the paps on themselves. They didn't just
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: spot these two out in the wild. So They're trying
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: to get the message out there that they are either
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: dating or this is some sort of publicity stunt. I mean,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: to me, it's probably PR for some upcoming video. Unlike
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Matt's photos, there wasn't a kiss. It did look like
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: they were almost holding hands. They were standing that close
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: to each other. Yeah, I guess we'll just have to
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: watch this space. The only thing that makes me think
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: these possibly could be genuine pap photos is that they're
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: pretty bad. They almost look like they've been captured on
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: a phone. Like they're really blurry. Yeah, they're not like
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Matt Zukowski's who were like crystal clear. Like it was
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: clear that the pap had literally approached them from short
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: range and was taking photos where these ones look like
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: maybe A longer lens was used.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: They look kind of good together. I didn't like them together. See,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I thought that Lockie.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: And Skye looked so good together. They were one of
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: those brother and sister couples. Skye and Lockie clearly cannot
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: stand each other.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: They cannot stand the sight. You can tell that he's
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: just fucking done with her. I think they're both. done
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: with each other.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: You kind of got that vibe when they started dating though.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Like it was always a bit of a tumultuous relationship.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: They did have their son pretty early on. Didn't she
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: fall pregnant a couple of months into their relationship? What's
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: awkward is you could tell that his family absolutely couldn't
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: stand Sky from the vlogs that she used to share.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Like the mother in particular was like the looks that
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: she was giving Sky, but there was no self-awareness because
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Sky would like just leave it in the vlog.
• 35:40
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• 35:43
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