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The Great Unplugging: Will You Survive? · Life TV now

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Speaker 1: Imagine waking up tomorrow and the technology that we've built
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Speaker 1: our entire lives around simply doesn't work. No grid, no internet,
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Speaker 1: no GPS, no AI. Could you function without it? Could
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Speaker 1: your children? Donna Howell believes that a growing number of
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Speaker 1: people will see that danger coming and begin deliberately unplugging,
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Speaker 1: rejecting technological dependence, human enhancement, and even the push toward
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Speaker 1: merging our bodies with machines. But Donna also has a
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Speaker 1: critical warning for those who choose that path. Who will
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Speaker 1: these Earthers be? What are they preparing for? And could
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Speaker 1: they be seeing something that the rest of us are missing?
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Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about all of that and
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Speaker 1: more right now. Hello, everybody, and welcome to Life TV Now,
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Speaker 1: where we unpack all matters of truth, faith, and freedom.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Joe Artis-Horne. Today we're gonna be talking
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Speaker 1: about something that is incredibly timely, but before we dive in,
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Speaker 1: let me introduce who's in house. She's an integrative nutrition
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Speaker 1: health coach with a master of science in health education.
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Speaker 1: Please welcome our executive director, Jamie Woodall. And she's a
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Speaker 1: credentialed ordained reverend with a degree in Bible and theology,
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Speaker 1: a powerful voice in Christian television, the one and only
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Speaker 1: Donna Howell. Thank you. Hello. Now, Donna, I said in
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Speaker 1: my intro, I used the words unplugging, and then I
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Speaker 1: mentioned these earthers. But I got to say, before we
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Speaker 1: dive in, this is a conversation that was kind of
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Speaker 1: born out of one that you and I had many,
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Speaker 1: many months ago. It might have even been over a
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Speaker 1: year ago now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was years, plural, ago.
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Speaker 1: Years, plural.
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Speaker 2: We've been talking about this for years, yeah.
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Speaker 1: My most recent memory is I think we revitalized the
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Speaker 1: conversation yet again in response to something we had seen
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Speaker 1: about AI, something about technology, some of the stuff that
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Speaker 1: our father, the late, great Dr. Thomas Horne, did documentaries
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Speaker 1: about over 12, 13, 14, 15 years ago, and spoke
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Speaker 1: at conferences almost 30 years ago, we're actually now seeing
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Speaker 1: not just the beginning phases, we're like deep in now. Eugenics,
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Speaker 1: the idea of human enhancement, we're changing our biology. And
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Speaker 1: by the way, with or without most people's consent. And
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Speaker 1: I am not going to get into what we're doing
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Speaker 1: with pharmakia or vaccines today, but the point is we
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Speaker 1: are changing our genomes. Even if you opt out of
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Speaker 1: all of it, if you're eating food from the grocery store,
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Speaker 1: your children are statistically probably weaker for you having done that.
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Speaker 1: So again, we're not talking about all of that necessarily
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Speaker 1: right now, but when you use the word unplugging, what
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Speaker 1: are you talking about?
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Speaker 2: So I use the word unplugging. Bob McGinnis used to
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Speaker 2: use the word reset.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: I see. Everybody has different words for it, but everybody's
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Speaker 2: feeling it. And a lot of people, even people that
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Speaker 2: right now had no idea where this was going, they
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Speaker 2: see it, they feel it, they knew it was coming.
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Speaker 2: There's a moment, and it's not just the scenario you've
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Speaker 2: already mentioned, although that would be the lead one, where
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Speaker 2: we are suddenly we wake up. I don't know if
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Speaker 2: there's an EMP bomb that wrecked everything digital. I don't
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Speaker 2: know if some uber power that is some international force
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Speaker 2: has decided to hack something. I don't know, whatever. There's
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Speaker 2: a million different ways this could go down where all
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Speaker 2: this technology could fail. When technology fails, lives are lost,
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Speaker 2: lives are changed. There's that. But I see it in
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Speaker 2: a spiritual and an emotional sense too. We could have
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Speaker 2: technology forever and it could never go down. And we
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Speaker 2: are going to have a generation, mark my words, it
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Speaker 2: is coming. There will be a generation, there will be
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Speaker 2: a movement that is going to say, I can't take
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Speaker 2: it anymore. The technology that we built to make our
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Speaker 2: lives more convenient has enslaved me. When I sit down
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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, all I want to
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Speaker 2: do is rest for a minute, and my phone is
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Speaker 2: going bzz, bzz, bzz, ba-ding, ba-ding, ba-ding. There's somebody always wondering,
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Speaker 2: did you get that email? It's just an email. It'll
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Speaker 2: take you just five seconds to look at the email.
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Speaker 2: Somebody's always expecting something out of me, and they want
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Speaker 2: it instant, and they want it now. I am a
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Speaker 2: slave to the machine. The machines that we built to
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Speaker 2: make our lives more convenient has turned us into the
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Speaker 2: slave of the machine.
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Speaker 1: It's like Catherine. My wife is here today, by the way.
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Speaker 1: That's right. My beautiful wife, who is distracting me with
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Speaker 1: her good looks right now, is here today. And she
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Speaker 1: said during one of the breaks, the other programs we
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Speaker 1: taped earlier, she said you can't even make an appointment
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Speaker 1: with your doctor anymore without portaling in through some app
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Speaker 1: and you have to download and create an account. You know,
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Speaker 1: buying groceries online, buying things online. More and more our
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Speaker 1: telephone companies and our internet companies are asking you not
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Speaker 1: to interface with humans, but more and more of the
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Speaker 1: technology and everything's becoming streamlined and more automated. But now
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Speaker 1: also is here today, my beautiful mom, Nita Horn, who
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Speaker 1: also mentioned earlier something about the Amish, because you might
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Speaker 1: be watching this program. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That generation's already come,
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Speaker 1: Donna Howell, with your big prophetic word of knowledge. And
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Speaker 1: they're called the Amish. And my mother said... Earlier, she said,
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Speaker 1: you know, cause she knows quite a few Amish. She's
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Speaker 1: into horses. They do a lot of tack. They build
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Speaker 1: carts and things that you would use on the farm and,
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Speaker 1: and pony related activities and things. And she said, you know,
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Speaker 1: they said something very similar to what you were describing
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Speaker 1: in that today's convenience is tomorrow's enslavement or tomorrow's dependency
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Speaker 1: on that thing. So let me ask you, what are
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Speaker 1: you saying? There's going to be a larger demographic of
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Speaker 1: the people look through the lens that maybe more resembles
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Speaker 1: how the Amish already view things?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And what I was saying before was where I was
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Speaker 2: going with that is that it's going to be a
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Speaker 2: spiritual thing. It's going to be an emotional thing. There's
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Speaker 2: going to be a great unplugging based on the fact
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Speaker 2: that the people simply can't take it anymore. And so
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Speaker 2: look at how the Amish live. You mentioned the Amish.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad you did. I've literally got them highlighted in
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Speaker 2: my notes right here. Light bulb today, TV tomorrow. TV tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: porn next year. There is a trajectory of what one
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Speaker 2: generation allows in moderation, the next generation allows in excess.
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Speaker 2: This has been the rule since Adam and Eve.
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Speaker 3: It's true.
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Speaker 2: And yet look at how they live. They say, if
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Speaker 2: we start this... There it goes. We'll lose control. It
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Speaker 2: gets out of control. We laugh at them now. Seriously,
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Speaker 2: I have friends and relationships that I would be in Missouri.
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Speaker 2: They're kind of all over the place, especially in the
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Speaker 2: outskirts of Branson. If you're driving around in Missouri, you
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Speaker 2: will eventually see them. They're in their little horse and buggy.
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Speaker 2: And literally, there's no engine. There's no cell phone. They're
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Speaker 2: living and going down the road in a horse-drawn cart.
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Speaker 2: And we look at that, and it's like it was
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Speaker 2: from another world. We feel like we've been pulled into
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Speaker 2: a movie from the 1800s or.
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Speaker 1: Something, a story from the 1800s.
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Speaker 2: We've had a lot of visitors from out of town
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Speaker 2: in the line of work that we've done. And I've
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Speaker 2: heard the people that have been in the car with
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Speaker 2: me on occasion, they look at that, and they're like,
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Speaker 2: they don't even, like, How do they get light? Well,
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Speaker 2: they light candles. Well, what about how do they cook?
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Speaker 2: They build a fire and put a kettle over it.
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Speaker 2: That's like they can't even fathom that these people. But this,
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Speaker 2: I believe, is the unplugging that is coming. And I
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Speaker 2: think that there will be people, and I almost want
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Speaker 2: to just say, I reserve the right to change my
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Speaker 2: mind later, but I want to be one of the
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Speaker 2: first to sign up for that.
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Speaker 1: Can we please go?
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Speaker 2: Off this slave grid. I'm not talking about the land
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Speaker 2: grid so much. I don't even care if somebody has
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Speaker 2: a cell phone, but I want out. I want out
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Speaker 2: of this thing that says just because some rando that
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Speaker 2: I haven't talked to for 30 years somehow got my
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Speaker 2: information from a social media site online. They've somehow managed
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Speaker 2: to get it through my phone and I'm trying to
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Speaker 2: spend time with my children and somebody is over here
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Speaker 2: wondering why I haven't responded to them yet. Even 20
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Speaker 2: years ago, they could call and leave a message, but
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Speaker 2: I am not a slave to that. And people are
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Speaker 2: going to get to a point where they're going to say,
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Speaker 2: I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: EMP bomb takes down technology. That's all possible too. But
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Speaker 2: this movement is coming and it is going to be
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Speaker 2: people of all ages. I'll tell you my kids. My
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Speaker 2: kids are teenagers, and I have a feeling they'd be
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Speaker 2: one of the first ones to sign up too. I'm
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Speaker 2: not afraid of hard work, Mom. I'll chop the wood, Mom.
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Speaker 2: I'll change the horseshoe, Mom. I'll do whatever I got
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Speaker 2: to do. I'll train the horse. I'll shear the sheep.
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Speaker 2: I'll do whatever I got to do. But there's a
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Speaker 2: part of even my own children that are like, ah,
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Speaker 2: I'm so barraged by this. So we laugh at the
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Speaker 2: Amish today. But if anything were to take down the
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Speaker 2: tech of tomorrow, guess who the only survivors would be?
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Speaker 2: We've lost all this knowledge. We just talked about this
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Speaker 2: on another episode the other day. Now, I want to
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Speaker 2: say that the people who join this movement, the people
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Speaker 2: who begin this movement, they're not going to be anti-technology Luddites.
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Speaker 2: The point is not the technology. They merely reject the
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Speaker 2: idea that technology would dictate to us the terms of
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Speaker 2: human existence. They reject that. They acknowledge immediately, this is
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Speaker 2: not what I was born to be. Put God aside
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Speaker 2: for just a second. People who don't believe in God, whatever,
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Speaker 2: they look at themselves, they see biological material. I have hands,
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Speaker 2: I have flesh, I move, I'm not a bot. And
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Speaker 2: immediately there is a disconnect from the whole world that
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Speaker 2: is taking over them right now. They are going to
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Speaker 2: find themselves in a position to say, regardless of whether
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Speaker 2: or not a person believes in God, regardless of whether
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Speaker 2: or not a person belongs to a certain ideology or conviction,
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Speaker 2: I am human and that means something to my biology.
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Speaker 2: I need something more than this. It's coming. They're going
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Speaker 2: to unplug. this is going to happen. So at this point,
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Speaker 2: I will say, what might we gain from something like this, right?
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Speaker 2: First of all, there's the human connection. We talked about
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Speaker 2: that again. There's so many people right now, they're searching
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Speaker 2: for something that is deeper than a chat room, than
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Speaker 2: a text, even FaceTime. It's not real to them anymore.
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Speaker 2: And they want this old thing called a hug to
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Speaker 2: which I know most people don't know what that means anymore,
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Speaker 2: but a hog is when two people put their arms
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Speaker 2: around each other and embrace, and there is actually a physiological,
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Speaker 2: we should do the science on this one day, there
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Speaker 2: is a physiological and emotional connection that happens. It is
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Speaker 2: a dopamine release. It is something that chemically, on the
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Speaker 2: inside of your biology, your body comes to life with something.
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Speaker 2: It's called affection. It's called receiving and giving of affection.
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Speaker 2: And people don't even know that there's a science to that.
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Speaker 2: They don't know. They just think it's a touchy-feely thing
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Speaker 2: they saw on a movie once. Lots of young people
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Speaker 2: are in homes where there is no trading of affection.
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Speaker 2: Everybody is sitting there doing this all day long. When
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Speaker 2: was the last time that you received a hug that
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Speaker 2: didn't come attached with something negative? When was the last
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Speaker 2: time that you just got a hug just for the
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Speaker 2: sake of a hug? They are going to want that connection.
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Speaker 2: They're going to feel the void of that connection. They
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Speaker 2: are coming. That's where they're going. We've lost imagination.
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Speaker 1: You too.
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Speaker 2: Let's go another direction for a second. Do you remember
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Speaker 2: the tithing envelopes in church? I do.
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Speaker 1: Okay. I remember they were not tithing envelopes for me
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Speaker 1: as a child.
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Speaker 2: They were what?
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Speaker 3: A canvas?
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Speaker 1: They were a canvas. They were a canvas. So you
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Speaker 1: would sit there in church and just doodle on the
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Speaker 1: little envelope. You weren't thoughtful enough to bring a notepad.
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Speaker 1: So you would just say, hey, there's that. Hey, mom,
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Speaker 1: can I borrow a pen? And the next thing you know,
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Speaker 1: you're doodling on the tithing envelope.
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Speaker 2: From the youngest age right now, when you hand a
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Speaker 2: toddler a cell phone and just, you know, you're out
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Speaker 2: to eat, they've got to entertain them with something. That's okay.
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Speaker 2: Maybe you can justify that. And then you're at home
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Speaker 2: and you're trying to talk to your mom on the phone,
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Speaker 2: so you give them a tablet. That's justified because of
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Speaker 2: this and this, this. Okay, and then the next few minutes,
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Speaker 2: somebody knocks on the door and you've got somebody who's
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Speaker 2: wanting to do something about, you know, a mechanical thing
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Speaker 2: going on outside, so you hand them the tablet again.
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Speaker 2: pretty soon you're relying so heavily on the fact that
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Speaker 2: this toddler knows how to swipe left before they know
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Speaker 2: how to speak. They can't even pronounce the first word
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Speaker 2: in the English language, but they know how to swipe
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Speaker 2: left to get to the next video. Their brain is
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Speaker 2: firing constantly. Another thing, another thing, bored of that, bored
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Speaker 2: of that, swipe left, swipe left. There's a kind of
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Speaker 2: editing that's even taken over. I don't know if you've
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Speaker 2: noticed it on YouTube, but it's like it cuts off
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Speaker 2: before you would even expect it to, and it's on
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Speaker 2: to the next, on to the next, on to the
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Speaker 2: next thing. Sometimes they even interrupt what they're even saying.
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Speaker 2: Cutting the last.
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Speaker 1: Syllable off of a word just to get to the
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Speaker 1: next thing faster.
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Speaker 2: Right. And sometimes, you know, when we were younger, it
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Speaker 2: was called America's Funniest Videos, but now they're called fails.
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Speaker 2: But on YouTube, there's these things called fails, and you
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Speaker 2: can look them up or whatever, and it's like somebody
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Speaker 2: falls or, you know, something breaks or whatever, and it's
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Speaker 2: these funny videos. But I've noticed that even with the
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Speaker 2: fail videos, they cut to the next one before– Like,
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Speaker 2: you know, before the guy who's falling makes contact with
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Speaker 2: the ground. Before the cake that was getting ready to
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Speaker 2: fall in the river even touches the water. They swipe
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Speaker 2: to the next one. There's a swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe.
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Speaker 2: It happens so fast. We are, again, short-circuiting the psychology
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Speaker 2: that has made us human. The toddler in the room
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Speaker 2: has no imagination. Listen, you don't understand how devastating that is.
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Speaker 2: They have no imagination whatsoever. They were never given a
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Speaker 2: minute to decide for themselves what they like, what they think,
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Speaker 2: contemplate something. They're just going, going, going. And it's one
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Speaker 2: thing after another. The connection to nature and outdoors. Do
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Speaker 2: we even care anymore about trees, grass, vitamin D from
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Speaker 2: the sunlight? Nobody has any connection to nature. Now, listen,
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Speaker 2: I'm preaching to myself here to some degree because If
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Speaker 2: I could have my house the way I would have it,
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Speaker 2: there would be no grass. I would just pave everything.
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Speaker 2: I don't like messing with mowing the lawn and gardening
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Speaker 2: and all this stuff. Like I'm the biggest hypocrite in
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Speaker 2: the world when I'm saying all of this, except for
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Speaker 2: the fact that at least I can do this. I
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Speaker 2: can go outside and I can see a sunset and go, wow, God,
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Speaker 2: you did that. I can go outside and see, listen,
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Speaker 2: there's a difference between calendar photos and being there in person.
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Speaker 2: We come from Oregon. I've seen the ocean. You go
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Speaker 2: to a doctor's office or a church or whatever, there's
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Speaker 2: photos of the ocean everywhere. But until you're standing there
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Speaker 2: and you hear it and you feel it and you
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Speaker 2: feel the breezes and you smell the salt and you
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Speaker 2: feel just that flicker of the foam that kicked up.
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Speaker 2: And you're looking around and there's the sand everywhere. It's
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Speaker 2: in that moment that you're going, oh, the universe is
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Speaker 2: so big. And we are, as Earth, the pale blue
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Speaker 2: dot in a vast universe. God, whoa, he's big.
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Speaker 1: I have felt that, yeah. And then you think about
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Speaker 1: how small the Earth is when you scale back pictures
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Speaker 1: of NASA has shown however many hundreds of thousands of
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Speaker 1: miles away from the Earth. And then you say, but
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Speaker 1: this is Earth. And it's like a speck of sand.
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Speaker 1: Then you really feel like super tiny and that God
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Speaker 1: is super huge.
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Speaker 3: It's awe-inspiring for sure.
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Speaker 2: When we go out and we feel that awe-inspiring connection
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Speaker 2: with nature, I'm not saying that a person has to
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Speaker 2: go now become a gardener or they have to go
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Speaker 2: get a job working a tractor outdoors. I'm saying that
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Speaker 2: even if you don't care anything about nature as society
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Speaker 2: has defined that up to this point, being completely disconnected
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Speaker 2: from it, it's not good. You're not getting the vitamin
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Speaker 2: D from the sun that you need. You're not putting
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Speaker 2: your feet on the grass You know, go touch grass,
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Speaker 2: I've heard people say. It's hilarious to me, but it's
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Speaker 2: so true. Reconnecting with the world outside of digitech is
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Speaker 2: so incredibly important for your health. Speaking of health, we
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Speaker 2: get into another thing that can be gained by this movement,
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Speaker 2: the avoidance of Western medical and scientific horrors. Now, without
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Speaker 2: going into what these things are, There's all kinds of
17:27
Speaker 2: stuff going on with pharmaceuticals. There's all kinds of junk
17:30
Speaker 2: being put in the food. There's this thing called the
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Speaker 2: cascade of medical intervention. And it goes like this. I
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Speaker 2: took this drug because I needed it because I had
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Speaker 2: this symptom, but this has 10 side effects. I've got
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Speaker 2: to take 10 more meds to subvert the side effects,
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Speaker 2: which means pretty soon I'm taking 20 things a day.
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Speaker 2: The cascade of medical intervention begins because I decided to
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Speaker 2: go ahead and take 100% trust in the Western route.
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Speaker 2: We on this show often cover how things in the
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Speaker 2: Western world as far as science and medicine is doing
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Speaker 2: all kinds of harmful things to our body. The unplugging.
18:06
Speaker 2: There's going to be a lot of people who learn
18:07
Speaker 2: to live off the land, and guess what? God's medicine
18:10
Speaker 2: that comes out of the leafy greens and the plants
18:13
Speaker 2: and the vegetables that God himself is raising up from
18:16
Speaker 2: the ground organically, biologically, that is going to nurture your
18:21
Speaker 2: body in such a way that you might find out
18:23
Speaker 2: that some of those symptoms you were worried about before
18:25
Speaker 2: are taken care of simply because, by default, You stopped
18:29
Speaker 2: eating pizza, drinking beer, and having a cigarette every five
18:32
Speaker 2: minutes because you unplugged. You went into what was natural. Now,
18:36
Speaker 2: there's going to be different ways that this movement goes.
18:38
Speaker 2: Some will be extreme. They'll go completely off-grid. And then
18:41
Speaker 2: some will be more subtle where they'll still allow a
18:43
Speaker 2: PC in the home, but they're really going to focus
18:45
Speaker 2: on family time. But the movement is coming, and it'll
18:47
Speaker 2: probably be multifaceted in a lot of ways. We will
18:50
Speaker 2: also gain practical life skills. Grandma's going to teach us
18:53
Speaker 2: how to cook again, how to quilt. You know what
18:55
Speaker 2: a quilting team used to be? You know what a
18:57
Speaker 2: quilting club used to be? These women in these churches
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Speaker 2: would get together and they would quilt together. They would
19:04
Speaker 2: share stories. They would visit. And every once in a while,
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Speaker 2: a young person like my mom, who is sitting in
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Speaker 2: the audience today, this is part of her testimony, will
19:12
Speaker 2: wander into that church. And somebody says, hey, do you
19:15
Speaker 2: want to come quilt with us? All we're doing is
19:17
Speaker 2: pulling string and thread. It's not like you've got to
19:19
Speaker 2: know anything or be fancy. You can come in your
19:21
Speaker 2: jeans and a t-shirt. And these young women like my
19:24
Speaker 2: mom show up. And what they notice is at first
19:26
Speaker 2: it's all about quilting. Here's how to do this stitch
19:28
Speaker 2: for four and a half minutes. But then these women
19:32
Speaker 2: start sharing. Hey, you know what? I noticed that your
19:35
Speaker 2: little kid's being fussy. She might be teething because, and
19:39
Speaker 2: then boom, boom, boom, boom, all these maternal instincts kick in.
19:42
Speaker 2: And then five minutes later, they're talking about some recipe. Oh, no, no, no, no.
19:45
Speaker 2: You don't want to put cardamom in that. What you're
19:47
Speaker 2: going to want to do is a black pepper that
19:48
Speaker 2: comes from you see what's happening all of a sudden
19:51
Speaker 2: there's like life is happening and we're learning from the
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Speaker 2: previous generation that's what a quilting club used to be
19:58
Speaker 2: we are going to have practical skills clubs community community
20:03
Speaker 2: is coming back That is what will come with this unplugging.
20:07
Speaker 2: So listen, if you're at home and you're listening to
20:08
Speaker 2: all of this and you're going, yeah, I'm kind of
20:10
Speaker 2: tempted by that too, there's a lot of good that
20:14
Speaker 2: will come from unplugging from society and all that that implies,
20:19
Speaker 2: all of the slavery that we have to the machine,
20:21
Speaker 2: to the AI, to the computer, to the cell phone.
20:24
Speaker 2: I want to unplug to the pace of life, yeah.
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Speaker 1: So there's a lot there that you said that could
20:29
Speaker 1: be responded to. There will be people watching this program
20:32
Speaker 1: that are like, I don't want to raise my hand
20:34
Speaker 1: to live off grid. And I'm just being honest. I
20:36
Speaker 1: like my computer. I like my car. I like my
20:39
Speaker 1: kids being able to go online and do online college.
20:42
Speaker 1: I like some of this technology. And so I would
20:45
Speaker 1: say this. There's things about what you just said that are,
20:48
Speaker 1: to me, irrefutably going to happen. I don't know that
20:52
Speaker 1: they come as something that a lot of people massively
20:56
Speaker 1: in droves elect to participate in. That takes a special
21:00
Speaker 1: kind of person. You are seeing some growth, though. in
21:03
Speaker 1: farmer's markets and people's interest in living organically. And some
21:06
Speaker 1: of that is because they've seen what Babylonian medicine is
21:09
Speaker 1: doing and they're not happy about it. And they're looking
21:12
Speaker 1: now toward God's medicine, whether they would give him credit
21:15
Speaker 1: for it or not. They might say the earth is
21:18
Speaker 1: what provides us with the nourishment and the sustenance we need.
21:22
Speaker 1: They might not give God credit for it, but it's
21:24
Speaker 1: his medicine. But I just want to say I am
21:26
Speaker 1: in the camp of agreement with you that this movement
21:29
Speaker 1: will probably happen. I am a person that believes it
21:32
Speaker 1: will probably happen later by mandate. The grid goes down,
21:37
Speaker 1: something happens governmentally, and people are literally now, in order
21:40
Speaker 1: to live in a planet where they are trading eggs
21:43
Speaker 1: with their neighbors, unable to buy from the system because
21:46
Speaker 1: they will not receive a mark. forced offline. Does that
21:50
Speaker 1: make sense? Absolutely. I don't know how popular, like if
21:53
Speaker 1: you were to put a poll out, how many of
21:54
Speaker 1: you want to lose everything today and go live in
21:56
Speaker 1: a cave? Obviously I'm being facetious that the poll is
21:59
Speaker 1: going to be like, you know, 3% people. Yeah. I
22:01
Speaker 1: like the cave. 97% of people are going to say,
22:03
Speaker 1: I really kind of like my stuff. So here's what
22:06
Speaker 1: I would say. I don't think that all of technology
22:10
Speaker 1: is evil. We're doing a program right now that stands
22:15
Speaker 1: to get thousands and thousands of views. people hearing the gospel,
22:19
Speaker 1: hearing the good news of God's medicine. I would not
22:22
Speaker 1: be able to do this broadcast were we off-grid living
22:25
Speaker 1: in a cave. Now, God would open other doors, and
22:27
Speaker 1: if he had ordained this moment to happen, I might
22:29
Speaker 1: be in a small tribe of family members, and maybe
22:32
Speaker 1: I'm the leader out in the middle of nowhere with
22:33
Speaker 1: 12 of my family. And maybe for that moment, this
22:36
Speaker 1: is God's near return, and we're not going to get
22:39
Speaker 1: into pre-, post-, mid-tribulation today in the timing of the rapture.
22:43
Speaker 1: That's not what this program is. The point is there
22:45
Speaker 1: could be some very hard times. in my view, before
22:48
Speaker 1: he returns. Much harder than the ones we're seeing now.
22:52
Speaker 1: So I think of it like AI. I think of
22:55
Speaker 1: it like a computer. So let's just use a computer.
22:58
Speaker 1: A computer can enable illegal content that I won't say
23:01
Speaker 1: out loud because it'll throw the algorithm. But let's just
23:04
Speaker 1: say adult triple X, really bad type content that people
23:10
Speaker 1: become highly addicted to and it destroys families and marriages.
23:13
Speaker 1: I've written about this. That's where a computer... can enable
23:17
Speaker 1: horrifically demonic activity, the pursuit of illegal images that involve
23:22
Speaker 1: underage children, the things that are federal crimes. It's not
23:26
Speaker 1: the computer that is evil because the same PC in
23:30
Speaker 1: a different person's hand could be used to go to
23:32
Speaker 1: Berean Bible College online so that I can go preach
23:35
Speaker 1: the gospel, right? And I see bits of AI that way.
23:39
Speaker 1: AI can enhance the expediency in which I'm able to
23:43
Speaker 1: do research or find something specific about an herb or
23:46
Speaker 1: what have you. But it can also be used to manufacture, again,
23:50
Speaker 1: adult content and go down lots of other slippery slopes
23:53
Speaker 1: or provide a place for dark web content to be manufactured,
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Speaker 1: the things that I've also written about. So I don't
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Speaker 1: think that it's all of tech is evil and all
24:02
Speaker 1: of it is Babylonian and all of it is being
24:04
Speaker 1: used by Lucifer. Right. I think that tech allows for
24:09
Speaker 1: the mass distribution of lots of stuff, whether that be
24:12
Speaker 1: evil or for good. Pastors doing live streams through Facebook.
24:17
Speaker 1: Disabled people unable to leave their care facility are able
24:20
Speaker 1: to tune into their favorite pastor, that kind of stuff.
24:23
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna belabor that. It really speaks for itself.
24:25
Speaker 1: So what I see is, I see God is in
24:27
Speaker 1: control of the timing of this event that you're describing.
24:30
Speaker 1: I don't see a lot of people rushing toward it
24:33
Speaker 1: voluntarily until society begins to break down so obviously. And
24:39
Speaker 1: I am telling you, in a planet where someone unaliving
24:43
Speaker 1: their children and being celebrated by certain political groups for
24:47
Speaker 1: the unaliving of their own children, I think these are
24:50
Speaker 1: the signs and symptoms of a society that is losing
24:53
Speaker 1: its mind when what is good is considered evil and
24:56
Speaker 1: what is evil is considered good, right? I agree that
25:00
Speaker 1: that overall things like AI and technology, because here's the thing,
25:06
Speaker 1: people are inherently wired to satiate one's self. So at
25:12
Speaker 1: the end of this, you'll have those standing for good,
25:15
Speaker 1: and then you'll have the vast surplus of Lucifer's planet
25:18
Speaker 1: pursuing evil, right? So at some point, the vast majority
25:23
Speaker 1: of its uses will progressively become more and more evil
25:26
Speaker 1: and and more and more designed to self-gratify and open
25:30
Speaker 1: up the lanes of traffic that allow the easier access
25:35
Speaker 1: to the darker parts of society and the dependency on technology.
25:40
Speaker 1: That's another huge part of this. Some of it is
25:43
Speaker 1: there to enable our preaching, et cetera, but some of
25:45
Speaker 1: it is the unavoidable dependency that we're creating. There are
25:48
Speaker 1: aspects of this machine, what I'm always calling Babylon, that
25:52
Speaker 1: have gravitous negatives and are overall marching us toward the
25:57
Speaker 1: antichrist system, and this moment that you're talking about with
26:01
Speaker 1: the earthers self-electing to unplug. So I don't know if
26:05
Speaker 1: that represents you today. Maybe you're one that's a bit
26:09
Speaker 1: more that way. I'm not sure as I'm as excited
26:12
Speaker 1: about unplugging as Donna Howell, but I will say not
26:16
Speaker 1: only is it coming, and I agree with you on that,
26:19
Speaker 1: it will be when God allows and he has removed
26:21
Speaker 1: his restrainers and then there will be a time where
26:25
Speaker 1: people either by electing to join the Earthers and unplugging
26:29
Speaker 1: or literally cannot buy or sell without integrating out of
26:33
Speaker 1: that network. Right.
26:34
Speaker 2: Yeah.
26:35
Speaker 3: I don't know.
26:35
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit tempted.
26:36
Speaker 3: I have been tempted as a parent. It's been on
26:39
Speaker 3: my mind a lot lately where, so my son is
26:41
Speaker 3: only allowed an hour of video games and he likes
26:43
Speaker 3: to play the PC. But there are times when you're like,
26:46
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure you've been there for two hours and
26:49
Speaker 3: he'll show me the timer. Oh, you know, I still
26:51
Speaker 3: got 15 minutes left. I did this and I did that.
26:53
Speaker 3: And But there are times, especially when my husband goes
26:57
Speaker 3: to change a tire and he has to drag him
26:59
Speaker 3: with him to make him learn how to do basic
27:02
Speaker 3: car maintenance. But he wants to be in front of
27:04
Speaker 3: the screen. I want to take that power cord and
27:06
Speaker 3: cut it up so bad. I have been incredibly tempted
27:10
Speaker 3: to do that. And I see it happening when I
27:12
Speaker 3: talk to my daughter and she's in high school. So
27:15
Speaker 3: we're navigating different social interactions and I'll say things. that
27:20
Speaker 3: maybe you should handle it this way. And she's like, no,
27:22
Speaker 3: kids nowadays, we just don't do things like that. They're
27:25
Speaker 3: losing some of that human connection and the way they
27:28
Speaker 3: even navigate these different dramatic situations is so incredibly different.
27:35
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking if we're losing touch with each other,
27:38
Speaker 3: with human touch, with that connection, we're lacking mentors and
27:43
Speaker 3: we're kind of segregating ourselves from that. How much easier
27:46
Speaker 3: is it to segregate ourselves from God. There is something
27:49
Speaker 3: about that human connection, that deeper understanding that opens up
27:54
Speaker 3: this connection and this idea to relate to God. But
27:57
Speaker 3: if we are not relating with each other, then we
27:59
Speaker 3: also cannot relate with God. And so I see the
28:03
Speaker 3: devastation happening. And I am like you. I am also
28:05
Speaker 3: tempted to just go completely off grid, rip it all out.
28:08
Speaker 3: I'm done.
28:09
Speaker 2: Well, we're born in the image of God. In theology,
28:11
Speaker 2: that's called the imago Dei. And having that in common,
28:15
Speaker 2: that is how it functions. What you're picking up on
28:17
Speaker 2: is actually a theological absolute. It means we connect as humans,
28:22
Speaker 2: and when we see the good in each other, we
28:24
Speaker 2: realize that is a portion of what we've inherited from God.
28:28
Speaker 2: And so I love that you said that. And that's
28:30
Speaker 2: why I wanted to kind of take a different take
28:32
Speaker 2: on this. I know that a lot of the different
28:34
Speaker 2: programming that our family and our ministry has been involved
28:37
Speaker 2: in in the past has dealt with this. Is the
28:40
Speaker 2: unplugging coming? Is the humanities reset coming? And we go
28:43
Speaker 2: straight to the book of Revelation and Mark of the
28:45
Speaker 2: Beast and a mandatory wall between us and the technology
28:48
Speaker 2: that we use. perceived to be the tech that's going
28:50
Speaker 2: to save us or give us any kind of function.
28:52
Speaker 2: And so we do, we go there a lot with
28:54
Speaker 2: the end of the world, apocalypse, all these things. But
28:57
Speaker 2: that's why I wanted to take it. To the moms
29:00
Speaker 2: out there, I wanted to take it to an emotional,
29:03
Speaker 2: a spiritual place. for this episode and just kind of
29:06
Speaker 2: focus on how many people out there don't even buy
29:08
Speaker 2: the end of the world, they think all of it's hogwash,
29:12
Speaker 2: they don't even know what they believe about God yet,
29:14
Speaker 2: but they do get, they are a slave to their
29:16
Speaker 2: phone and they want it to stop. And that part
29:18
Speaker 2: of them is just like, I don't know about the
29:20
Speaker 2: rest of that complicated stuff, but emotionally and spiritually, Regardless
29:24
Speaker 2: of what their spiritual ideology is, they want to unplug.
29:27
Speaker 2: And that is coming. That's going to be a thing.
29:29
Speaker 2: So all of these, whether it is elective or whether
29:32
Speaker 2: it is mandatory, an unplugging is coming. And it will
29:37
Speaker 2: not take long, but I have a warning. a very
29:40
Speaker 2: significant warning. I have spent a significant amount of time
29:46
Speaker 2: studying the social dynamics of cults. When people unplug from
29:52
Speaker 2: society and they go and build a community that is different,
29:56
Speaker 2: That is primary for cult behavior, primary territory for cult behavior.
30:03
Speaker 2: So I'm not suggesting that this big unplugging movement is
30:07
Speaker 2: all going to be cults, but I'm telling you there
30:09
Speaker 2: will be very dangerous cults that do spring up from this.
30:12
Speaker 2: So be mindful as you are at home and you're
30:15
Speaker 2: thinking about this and you're making your list of your
30:17
Speaker 2: non-negotiables and what would you do and what community do
30:20
Speaker 2: you want to be a part of? What are you
30:22
Speaker 2: planning for the end of the world, the Antichrist? However
30:25
Speaker 2: it is that your ideology suits this picture, be mindful
30:29
Speaker 2: when unplugging. also equals dangerous isolation. So here's the warning.
30:36
Speaker 2: You might even be sitting at home and going, what
30:38
Speaker 2: did she just say? That communities are going to become
30:40
Speaker 2: a cult? Yeah, right, that's going to happen. No, 1,000
30:43
Speaker 2: people drank the Kool-Aid in the People's Temple in Jim Jones,
30:47
Speaker 2: and 1,000 people were found dead in the island towns
30:50
Speaker 2: out in Guyana. This has happened before. We know that
30:53
Speaker 2: when you get isolated from the widespread community, your territory,
30:59
Speaker 2: when you get isolated from that, leaders tend to pop up. Little,
31:04
Speaker 2: you know, egotistical people who want control, who are willing
31:08
Speaker 2: to exploit other people. Call it a cult, don't call
31:11
Speaker 2: it a cult. Call it a bad community, whatever you
31:13
Speaker 2: want to call it. Be mindful of the following things.
31:16
Speaker 2: You must retain your agency. So just think about this
31:19
Speaker 2: and There's going to be people. I just know this.
31:22
Speaker 2: Somebody's going to get a hold of this message, and
31:25
Speaker 2: they're going to remember this. I don't care if it's
31:27
Speaker 2: five years or 50 years from now. Somebody's going to
31:29
Speaker 2: remember this. Do you retain your agency? Can you question
31:34
Speaker 2: the leadership around you? This should be for any community,
31:37
Speaker 2: but especially ones that are isolated from the rest of
31:40
Speaker 2: the world. Can you question leadership? Can you maintain relationships
31:45
Speaker 2: outside the group? Do you have to surrender things? Your name,
31:50
Speaker 2: for instance, or tech that you want to hold on to,
31:54
Speaker 2: an emergency phone. Can you make decisions for you and
31:57
Speaker 2: your family? Can you leave without being punished or ostracized?
32:01
Speaker 2: So that's it. Just think about what is it that
32:04
Speaker 2: you hear when you think about the worst cult you've
32:07
Speaker 2: ever heard of and all of the dangerous mind games
32:10
Speaker 2: that happen, the exploitation, the Charles Mansons of the group.
32:14
Speaker 2: When you see that, And now if you're going to
32:18
Speaker 2: move into a different kind of community, always keep that
32:22
Speaker 2: at the forefront of your mind. That should be true
32:24
Speaker 2: for every community and every church, whether technology is a
32:27
Speaker 2: part of it or not, but it's especially going to
32:29
Speaker 2: be important when these movements happen.
32:36
Speaker 3: You've really inspired me. And in fact, I think this
32:39
Speaker 3: week I'm going to give up something that maybe I've
32:42
Speaker 3: become a little too dependent on. And I would encourage
32:45
Speaker 3: our viewers to do that too. Maybe give up social
32:47
Speaker 3: media for a week. Maybe do some fasting from the TV.
32:52
Speaker 3: Give something up that you've become really reliant on and
32:56
Speaker 3: see what that does for you. Maybe it opens up
32:58
Speaker 3: your mind, gives you some clarity and allows you to
33:01
Speaker 3: connect deeper with God.
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Speaker 1: Did you guys learn something today? What about you at home?
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Speaker 1: Did you learn something? Well, it is always our intention
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33:12
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