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Full Show Podcast: 27 October 2026 · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews, and the insight. Ryan Bridge on
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  Speaker 1: Early Edition with Spark for Business. Technology that keeps business moving.
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  Speaker 1: Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: Very good morning. Welcome to Tuesday, just gone six minutes
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  Speaker 2: after five. Coming up, the education debate. Erica Stanford and
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  Speaker 2: Ginny Anderson go head-to-head live. Act and its manifesto. The
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  Speaker 2: cuts announced at the weekend. Vicky Price does the business.
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  Speaker 2: Donners in Australia, Angus Taylor there hits a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a bum note on Helen Haynes and there's big IPO
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  Speaker 2: energy on Wall Street. It is Monday the 26th, forgive me,
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday the 27th of October. Big news in Brazil as
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  Speaker 2: President Lula has beat the right-wing challenger Bolsonaro to win
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  Speaker 2: a fourth term in office. We need a second round
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  Speaker 2: to thank the generosity of the Brazilian youth who took
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  Speaker 2: the streets. took the streets to defend democracy. We'll explain
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  Speaker 2: the details on that shortly. Bolsonaro, like his dad before him,
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  Speaker 2: already questioning the results.
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  Speaker 1: There is something fishy here and we will have to
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  Speaker 1: be aware of that, unfortunately.
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  Speaker 2: It is election season. Tomorrow, Israel's general election. A lot
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  Speaker 2: riding on this for Netanyahu.
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  Speaker 3: National security, lingering questions about how the October the 7th
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  Speaker 3: attacks happened. the state of the economy, and the thorny
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  Speaker 3: subject of whether ultra-Orthodox Haredi Jews should be made to
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  Speaker 3: enlist into the military. Whatever happens, expect a coalition government.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to the UK. Andy Berman has ruled out
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  Speaker 2: rejoining the European Union before the next general election. He's
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  Speaker 2: been making noises about it, but said they're not going
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  Speaker 2: to happen in a hurry.
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  Speaker 4: In my lifetime, I would like to see that happen,
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  Speaker 4: but I am not going to move ahead of the public.
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  Speaker 4: I am not going to dictate in terms of my
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  Speaker 4: own opinions here.
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  Speaker 2: Now also, a bit of breaking news in the last hour,
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  Speaker 2: the government in the UK ordering an inquiry into the
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  Speaker 2: murder of Henry Novak. This is the 18-year-old student, fatally
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  Speaker 2: stabbed last year. There was a major outrage, you'll remember
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  Speaker 2: this from the public, as police body cam footage showed
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  Speaker 2: officers arresting him as he lay dying.
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  Speaker 5: The review will examine whether opportunities were missed to prevent
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  Speaker 5: the student's murder, examining what was known about the perpetrator
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  Speaker 5: in the years before the attack. It'll also look at
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  Speaker 5: how the Novak family were treated by agencies across the
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  Speaker 5: criminal justice system following Henry's death.
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  Speaker 1: Hear it first. Ryan Bridge on early edition with Spark
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  Speaker 1: for Business. Technology that keeps business moving.
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  Speaker 2: Newstalk ZB. Great to have your company. 9292 is the
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  Speaker 2: number to text. Here's the interesting thing about what happened
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  Speaker 2: in Brazil at the weekend. So the presidential election there,
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  Speaker 2: you just need a simple majority. It's like the old
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  Speaker 2: first past the post here. So the first round of
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  Speaker 2: votes happened. And you need to, well, somebody has to win.
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  Speaker 2: And in order to actually take the presidency, you need
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  Speaker 2: to win more than 50% of the valid vote. Now,
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  Speaker 2: neither of them did that in the first round. But
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  Speaker 2: the right-wing guy, Bolsonaro, he got more. So 47% of
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  Speaker 2: the vote. And Lula, who's your left wing, he got 45%.
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  Speaker 2: And so Bolsonaro fell short of an outright majority. So
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  Speaker 2: you have to have a second, what they call a
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  Speaker 2: runoff election, which gets triggered. And for the first time
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  Speaker 2: since the 80s, the guy who was ahead in the
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  Speaker 2: first round actually lost the second round. Hence, Lula has
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  Speaker 2: secured himself, the presidency, a fourth term, which is quite
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  Speaker 2: a feat for him. The margin in the second vote,
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  Speaker 2: the runoff vote, was 51.7%. And Bolsonaro is 48.21%. So
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  Speaker 2: a margin of 4.4 million votes. Now, if you were
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  Speaker 2: the right-wing guy who wins the first one, is ahead
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  Speaker 2: in the first one, then loses the second, you'd be going, well,
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  Speaker 2: something's fishy, which is what he's saying. But there are
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  Speaker 2: a couple of things that kind of explain the difference.
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  Speaker 2: So first of all, you had turnout go up. 2.3
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  Speaker 2: million extra voters voted in the second round compared with
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  Speaker 2: the first round. So you've got to say a lot
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  Speaker 2: of those might have gone to the left wing, to
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  Speaker 2: your Lula. He also, Lula, appears to have won many
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  Speaker 2: voters who either abstained or declined to back a candidate
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  Speaker 2: in the first round. In other words, people who sent
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  Speaker 2: their ballots in either blank or spoiled, that was down
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  Speaker 2: by 1.8 million on the first one. So a couple
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  Speaker 2: of reasons why... The big issue that they've got over
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  Speaker 2: there is the fact that the courts stepped in at
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  Speaker 2: the 11th hour and said, we will extend voting by
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  Speaker 2: two hours. And that has irked. Even though both campaigns
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  Speaker 2: actually petitioned for that, they wanted that. The one who
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  Speaker 2: lost is now sour grapes about the whole thing. Ten
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  Speaker 2: after five.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge.
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  Speaker 2: You're on Newstalk ZB. Lots to get through this morning.
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  Speaker 2: We will crack into it next. ACT released their manifesto
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  Speaker 2: at the weekend. Interestingly, there was change on immigration policy.
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  Speaker 2: But cuts as you would expect. That's next. Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 1: Before the news breaks, here at first, Ryan Bridge on
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  Speaker 1: early edition with Spark for Business, technology that keeps business moving.
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  Speaker 2: Newstalk ZB. 5.13 Newstalk ZB, the education debate coming your
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  Speaker 2: way just before six this morning. Erica Stanford from National
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  Speaker 2: and Ginny Anderson from Labour will be here. They will
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  Speaker 2: be live. They will be talking about your kids and
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  Speaker 2: how they are educated. And the National Party has some
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  Speaker 2: questions to ask Labour around structured literacy, including... Phonics, you know,
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  Speaker 2: how you teach kids how to read and how you
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  Speaker 2: teach them how to talk. Assessment, they've got questions about curriculum.
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  Speaker 2: They've got questions about qualifications. They've got questions about the
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  Speaker 2: teaching council. Ginny, I'm sure, will have some answers and
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  Speaker 2: questions of her own. That's coming up in about half
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  Speaker 2: an hour's time. The ACT Party released its manifesto at
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  Speaker 2: the weekend saying it's the only party that wants to
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  Speaker 2: cut spending. They want $ 22 billion saved over four years.
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  Speaker 2: They want to take debt $ 12 billion lower than forecast
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  Speaker 2: by 2031. Oliver Hartwich, New Zealand Initiative Executive Director with
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  Speaker 2: me live this morning. Oliver, good morning. Morning, Ryan. Is
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  Speaker 2: this manifesto, as it reads, as sort of a game changer?
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  Speaker 2: It's going to shape up or reshape our country and economy?
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  Speaker 6: Well, it's certainly different from what we got from the
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  Speaker 6: other parties, because ACT seems to be the only party
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  Speaker 6: that really wants to shrink the government back to the
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  Speaker 6: levels it was in 2017. I mean, all parties promise,
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  Speaker 6: of course, over the course of the coming parliament to
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  Speaker 6: reduce government debt and to actually bring us back to
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  Speaker 6: some kind of surplus. But ACT seems to be the
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  Speaker 6: party that is most radical about this and really wants
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  Speaker 6: to get us back to 2017 levels of government spending.
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  Speaker 2: Where do we rank internationally for government spending?
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  Speaker 6: We rank relatively low compared to European countries. But, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: we don't want to be like European countries because they
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  Speaker 6: are all approaching bankruptcy. And we, of course, have some
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  Speaker 6: specific problems of our own in New Zealand because we
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  Speaker 6: know that every few years we have to deal with
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  Speaker 6: a disaster, a natural disaster, an earthquake, maybe in the
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  Speaker 6: future a tsunami. We need to be prepared for these disasters.
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  Speaker 6: And the only way we can be prepared for that
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  Speaker 6: is actually to get our fiscal house in order. and
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  Speaker 6: to reduce government debt and government spending.
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  Speaker 2: The thing with the wasteful spending that the ACT Party
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  Speaker 2: talks about, their opponents argue that ACT has just put
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  Speaker 2: numbers on things. How do you know what is actually
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  Speaker 2: wasteful and what is not? Is there $ 22 billion of
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  Speaker 2: wasteful spending to cut?
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  Speaker 6: Well, to put it this way, I mean, in 2017,
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  Speaker 6: we had 28.5% of the GDP of all economy spent
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  Speaker 6: by the government. The figure has gone up to nearly 33%
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  Speaker 6: over this time, and nobody would really say that we
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  Speaker 6: really feel that much better with government services. I think
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  Speaker 6: that a lot of this extra government spending has not
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  Speaker 6: resulted in actually making us feel better and actually delivering
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  Speaker 6: better services for Kiwis. And therefore, it is right to
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  Speaker 6: ask whether we couldn't achieve better results with lower spending.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that message is landing with people?
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  Speaker 6: Well, it's landing with a part of the electorate, but
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  Speaker 6: I think most voters probably haven't quite realized how difficult
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  Speaker 6: our fiscal predicament really is. And by the way, it
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  Speaker 6: is not just about what's happening in the next three years.
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  Speaker 6: We all know that our population is going to age
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  Speaker 6: over the coming years. And Treasury told us that by 2065,
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  Speaker 6: if we don't change our way, we'll face 200% debt
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  Speaker 6: to GDP, which would really mean that we would be bankrupt.
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  Speaker 6: These are the levels that we last saw, for example,
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  Speaker 6: for Greece in the middle of the euro crisis.
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  Speaker 2: Oliver Hartwich, New Zealand Initiative Executive Director. Nice to have
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  Speaker 2: you on the show this morning. Thank you. 16 after 5.
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  Speaker 2: Over in the Middle East, there is a diplomatic team heading.
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  Speaker 2: This is from Saudi Arabia, from Turkey and from Pakistan.
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  Speaker 2: They have gathered together and they are going to Tehran.
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  Speaker 2: They are going to try and talk with the Iranians
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  Speaker 2: about Trump and about the war. This is ahead of
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  Speaker 2: the midterms. They are very worried about what's going to
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  Speaker 2: happen after the midterms because Trump has said as soon
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  Speaker 2: as the midterms are over, he's going to start bombing again.
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  Speaker 2: So the Saudis, Pakistan and the Turks actually signed a
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  Speaker 2: defence pact back in August, which did worry the Iranians,
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  Speaker 2: but they're saying, no, don't worry, it's not about that.
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  Speaker 2: We actually want to start with the Houthis in Yemen
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  Speaker 2: because is there anything the Iranians can do, please and
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  Speaker 2: thank you, to stop the attacks on the Saudis' infrastructure?
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  Speaker 2: The Houthis claim to have closed Riyadh airport. They've claimed
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  Speaker 2: that they've inflicted quite heavy damage on the Saudi economy
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  Speaker 2: just in the last couple of weeks. So that's all
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  Speaker 2: going on too. 17 after 5, Newstalk ZB. We're in
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  Speaker 2: the UK next.
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  Speaker 2: It is 20 after 5. Great to have your company. Now, Anthropic,
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  Speaker 2: this is the AI company that makes Claude, which is
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  Speaker 2: the chatbot that everybody likes to use. I've got a
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  Speaker 2: friend who uses it. I was asking him about it
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  Speaker 2: the other day. He uses it for work. He's in construction,
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  Speaker 2: but he's sort of more of the planning side of
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  Speaker 2: the business. And he said he uses it and it's
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  Speaker 2: And I said, what are you doing? Like having a
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  Speaker 2: longer lunch? But he said, no, it's just that it
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  Speaker 2: improves his workflow so that there's less peaks and troughs.
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  Speaker 2: The stress of the job is kind of more leveled
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  Speaker 2: out because of using a chatbot. Fascinating. So Anthropic, the
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  Speaker 2: maker of this bot, has filed a list on the NASDAQ.
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  Speaker 2: They were expected to do this. That would be an IPO.
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  Speaker 2: And they're targeting around about what SpaceX, their record-setting IPO,
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  Speaker 2: which was $ 75 billion US, is what they raised. So
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  Speaker 2: that's what they're aiming for. They also, in their filing,
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  Speaker 2: showed a net loss of $ 80 billion, revenue of $ 16 billion.
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  Speaker 2: This is for the first half of 2026. But also
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  Speaker 2: fascinating is just the warnings that come with this. There's
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  Speaker 2: a few warnings on the label of this pillbox. Anthropic
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  Speaker 2: warns it could face new regulations and public pressure to
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  Speaker 2: address an unusual challenge for a public company, which is
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  Speaker 2: that their core product could become sentient. In other words,
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  Speaker 2: bit of a fly in the ointment. The product could
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  Speaker 2: start thinking for itself. And then if that gets regulated,
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  Speaker 2: that has an effect on profit, something they had to
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  Speaker 2: declare 22 after. Let's go to Vicky Price with the business. Vicky,
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  Speaker 2: we've got a budget coming for the UK.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, and it's a very important one because it's going
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  Speaker 8: to be the first one of the new chancellor. As
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  Speaker 8: everyone will remember, there's been a change of prime minister
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  Speaker 8: just a few months ago. It's now 100 days since
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  Speaker 8: that happened and more or less. And we're going to
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  Speaker 8: have the first budget to show really what this government
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  Speaker 8: is thinking. We've already got lots of hints, of course.
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  Speaker 8: They do want to do some redistribution from the richer
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  Speaker 8: members of the population and also firms involved. if possible,
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  Speaker 8: to those who need it most, with some support for
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  Speaker 8: household and energy bills, reducing or capping bus fares, and
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  Speaker 8: a number of other measures, which people generally have welcomed,
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  Speaker 8: but they don't really make a huge amount of difference,
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  Speaker 8: given that we have oil prices going up significantly and
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  Speaker 8: loads of costs on businesses right now, which are preventing
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  Speaker 8: them from hiring people. So it's very tight fiscally. And
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  Speaker 8: it will be watched very, very carefully by the capital markets.
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  Speaker 8: Having said that, the UK is in a better position
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  Speaker 8: than other parts of Europe and also the US. So
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  Speaker 8: France is going through a tumultuous period right now. And,
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  Speaker 8: of course, the US itself is seeing its debt-to-GDP ratio
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  Speaker 8: rising higher than the UK's. So some relief from that
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  Speaker 8: and maybe whatever goes on here will have less prominence
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  Speaker 8: in capital markets' views.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: John Healy, the new chancellor, will get away with it
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  Speaker 8: until we get really tough next year when the spending
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  Speaker 8: review comes up for the next few years.
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  Speaker 2: It's a bit of a worry, isn't it? You've got
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  Speaker 2: debt going higher. You've got bond yields going higher for
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  Speaker 2: some countries. What about all these protests? Every time you
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  Speaker 2: turn on the television, there's a new country, a new
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  Speaker 2: European country that seems to be engulfed in protests, all
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  Speaker 2: cost of living related?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, to a very considerable extent. So it's because of
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  Speaker 8: oil prices having gone up. petrol at the pump has
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  Speaker 8: gone up very significantly, particularly, of course, diesel, which has
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  Speaker 8: gone sort of through the roof. But also they're worried
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  Speaker 8: because their wages haven't kept up with inflation in some
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  Speaker 8: cases and rents are going up substantially. Houses haven't been
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  Speaker 8: built in the numbers they should have been built. Interest
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  Speaker 8: rates are so high, so people can't borrow. So it's
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  Speaker 8: pretty widespread. Not dissimilar issues to what we have here
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  Speaker 8: in the UK, except that Europe is slightly better at
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  Speaker 8: protesting about it. And of course, in places like France,
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  Speaker 8: you don't actually have a stable government right now, and
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  Speaker 8: they can't really get the agreement to cut the budget deficits.
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  Speaker 8: And that is, of course, unsettling the markets, hence why
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  Speaker 8: yields are going up.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me about the new EU trading agreements with China.
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  Speaker 8: Well, that is actually quite important. Now, we can call
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  Speaker 8: it a trade agreement. There have been some bits that
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  Speaker 8: have been agreed and others that will still be discussed.
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  Speaker 8: The bits that have been agreed centre very much on
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  Speaker 8: the export of hybrid cars and hybrid plug-in cars, because
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  Speaker 8: hybrid cars both have a combustion engine and also have
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  Speaker 8: a battery, and you can charge one from the other.
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  Speaker 8: So the combustion engine, as it runs, charges the battery,
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  Speaker 8: but also there are plug-in ones. They have been dominating
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  Speaker 8: to a very considerable extent the market. In Europe, in
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  Speaker 8: addition to loss of electric cars, there are tariffs, of course,
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  Speaker 8: that Europe has against EVs. But nevertheless, it was inundated
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  Speaker 8: with sort of big increases in exports of hybrids from China.
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  Speaker 8: And they have got some agreement that those exports will
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  Speaker 8: be limited in the future. So on the other hand,
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  Speaker 8: there are so many other areas where the EU has
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  Speaker 8: a deficit with China. So this is only touching a
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  Speaker 8: very small bit. The rest will be looked at a
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  Speaker 8: little bit more in coming months. But there's also some
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  Speaker 8: positive agreements. on rare earths. So there will be a
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  Speaker 8: little bit more of a look at ensuring that Europe
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  Speaker 8: doesn't get sort of cut off in the future because
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  Speaker 8: they need all that also for electrification. So there's been
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  Speaker 8: some progress. There's a few more areas to discuss. But
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  Speaker 8: at least I think in terms of unity in Europe,
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  Speaker 8: that's been quite important because we had differences between the
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  Speaker 8: French and the Germans for a while as to the
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  Speaker 8: attitude towards China. Well, at least now it's all one
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  Speaker 8: thinking that has dominated, which is rather good.
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  Speaker 2: Vicky Price does the business. Newstalk ZB, 26 after five.
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  Speaker 2: Newstalk ZB, 28 minutes after five. Odds are on that
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  Speaker 2: we will get another hike to the OCR tomorrow. That'll
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  Speaker 2: take us to 3%. Markets are pricing a chance of
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  Speaker 2: that happening at about 85%, so she's looking quite likely.
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  Speaker 2: Not great timing for a coalition government trying to get
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  Speaker 2: elected when the cost of living is the number one issue, but...
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  Speaker 2: That's obviously not something the Reserve Bank should or would
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  Speaker 2: care about. Their job is inflation, and all signs point
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  Speaker 2: north on that front at the moment. It's expected to
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  Speaker 2: be higher than the bank predicted in September when their
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  Speaker 2: last update came out. The strength of the Kiwi dollar
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  Speaker 2: is now lower. We've got a weaker Kiwi compared to
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  Speaker 2: our trading partners, which means that things in New Zealand
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  Speaker 2: dollars cost more to buy from overseas. Throw into the
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  Speaker 2: mix the fact that oil is also higher, and that
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  Speaker 2: Trump is planning to restart bombing in Iran post-midterms, and
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  Speaker 2: you can see why the pundits are picking another hike. 3%
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  Speaker 2: is still roughly neutral, so you could argue that if
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  Speaker 2: they do hike, the bank is being cautious without clubbing
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  Speaker 2: the economic recovery in the back of the neck right
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  Speaker 2: when it's kicking into gear. It's yet another reminder that
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  Speaker 2: the outcome of the US midterms are weirdly probably, or
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  Speaker 2: at least possibly, more important to New Zealand voters' wallets
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  Speaker 2: than the outcome of the one happening here at home.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge.
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  Speaker 2: You're on Newstalk ZB. It is 29 after five. Great
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  Speaker 2: to have your company this Tuesday morning. Hope you had
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  Speaker 2: a lovely long weekend, by the way. Ginny Anderson from Labour.
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  Speaker 2: Erica Stanford from National, here to do battle on education
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  Speaker 2: before top of the hour. And we're in Australia next.
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  Speaker 2: Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: about eight minutes, we will speak to Erica Stanford from National,
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  Speaker 2: Ginny Anderson from Labour, our education specialist. We head into
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  Speaker 2: the election in a couple of weeks' time Callum is
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  Speaker 2: with us in Dunedin. Callum, good morning. What is the
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  Speaker 2: latest on these fires in Southland and Otago?
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  Speaker 9: Fire crews and dock workers, Ryan, are hoping to assess
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  Speaker 9: the fire at Southland Centre Hill later this morning. This
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  Speaker 9: is about an 80 hectare blaze that broke out about
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  Speaker 9: four o'clock Saturday afternoon near the Takitimu Forest. It's burnt
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  Speaker 9: through high country grazing and conservation land and efforts to
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  Speaker 9: extinguish it yesterday. had to be halted due to the
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  Speaker 9: rainy and very windy weather, those hot nor'westers. Fire and
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  Speaker 9: emergency say the rain was helping suppress remaining fires, but
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  Speaker 9: deep-seated areas of burning in the mature forest there need
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  Speaker 9: checking today.
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  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, up the road in.
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  Speaker 9: Central Otago, there were problems in Roxburgh with a fire.
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  Speaker 9: Six homes were evacuated at about six o'clock last evening.
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  Speaker 9: Very gusty nor'westerly conditions there as well. Fire crews working
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  Speaker 9: through the night there, Ryan, to contain that blaze.
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  Speaker 2: All right, how's Dunedin's weather?
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  Speaker 9: Well, that southerly's blown through to help the crews, but
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  Speaker 9: another nor'west change tonight, mainly fine for Dunedin today.
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  Speaker 2: Chance of a shower, 13 the high. Thanks, Callum. Claire
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  Speaker 2: in Christchurch. Good morning, Claire. Good morning. Good morning. A
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  Speaker 2: bumper summer season coming for Christchurch Airport.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, the airport's heading into its biggest ever international summer,
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  Speaker 10: thanks to some new routes being added. Jetstar's first Christchurch
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  Speaker 10: to Perth service takes off today. There are three flights
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  Speaker 10: a week over summer. In New Zealand's new Singapore route
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  Speaker 10: follows tomorrow with services to Perth and Tokyo also starting
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  Speaker 10: in November. Other airlines like Singapore Air and Cafe Pacific
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  Speaker 10: have increased their flights for the summer too. Jetstar's head
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  Speaker 10: of commercial NZ, Kath O'Brien, says the airline now operates
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  Speaker 10: 23 routes from New Zealand with three aircraft based in Christchurch.
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  Speaker 10: She says they see the city as a very important
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  Speaker 10: hub for them, with flights between Christchurch and Sydney resuming
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  Speaker 10: this week too.
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  Speaker 2: How's your weather?
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  Speaker 10: Well, after a very hot weekend, raining this morning, pretty
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  Speaker 10: chilly out there north-westerly, gusting 100 kilometres an hour and
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  Speaker 10: then turning south-westerly a bit later. The high will be 18.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Clare. Max in Wellington, your weather's been a
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  Speaker 2: bit rubbish, Max.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, good morning. I think I may have been on
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  Speaker 11: one of the only plans to land in Wellington yesterday
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  Speaker 11: afternoon from Christchurch. My friend called it the worst landing
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  Speaker 11: he'd ever experienced, which is saying something. Horrendously strong winds
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  Speaker 11: gusting 120 clicks yesterday and overnight as well. Trees, power lines,
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  Speaker 11: unsecured structures, damage, dozens of flights impacted to and from
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  Speaker 11: basically everywhere. A few attempted then aborted landings back to origin.
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  Speaker 11: Roads closed for a time yesterday afternoon as well, some
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  Speaker 11: around Oriental Bay where cyclists kept blowing over. Those strong
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  Speaker 11: wind warnings are still in place the next few hours.
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  Speaker 11: You can still hear it howling outside, but as the
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  Speaker 11: morning goes on, things are expected to ease off. Today's
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  Speaker 11: forecast is for rainy periods this morning, clearing after lunch
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  Speaker 11: and those gale nor'westerlies. easing and turning cool southerly later
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  Speaker 11: this morning, a higher 15.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Max. And Neva is in Auckland.
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  Speaker 2: Neva Police seeking footage and eyewitness accounts after this alleged
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  Speaker 2: assault on a child at Myers Park.
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  Speaker 12: Yes, this is a terrible story. But what we do
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  Speaker 12: know now is that a 20-year-old man's been charged with
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  Speaker 12: attempted murder. Now, emergency services, they were called to Myers Park,
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  Speaker 12: and as people know, this is in the Auckland CBD,
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  Speaker 12: before 5pm happened on Sunday following reports of a serious assault.
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  Speaker 12: The child victim is in a serious but stable condition
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  Speaker 12: at Starship Hospital. We also know that the accused is
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  Speaker 12: also in hospital with serious self-inflicted injuries.
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  Speaker 2: How's our weather?
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  Speaker 12: Rain this morning, clearing to fine by this evening. Still
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  Speaker 12: warm though, 20 to high here in Auckland.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Neva. No apology from the maker of One
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  Speaker 2: Nation's controversial cartoons. You might have seen them in the
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  Speaker 2: press in the last couple of days. Donna in Australia next.
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  Speaker 1: International Correspondence with NZI Insurance. Peace of mind for New
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  Speaker 1: Zealand business.
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  Speaker 2: 17 away from six. First day of Parliament since Helen
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  Speaker 2: Haynes and the attack and Angus Taylor has been accused
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  Speaker 2: of not reading the room very well. Donna DeMeo, our
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  Speaker 2: Australia correspondent with us. Donna, what do you do?
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  Speaker 13: Well, obviously a lot of people were able to give
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  Speaker 13: their messages of support when Parliament resumed in Canberra yesterday,
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  Speaker 13: one week after that alleged attack. And we heard from
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  Speaker 13: the Prime Minister describing the incident as a stone in
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  Speaker 13: our hearts. We heard from many other people, colleagues of
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  Speaker 13: Helen Haynes. Well, Angus Taylor has been criticised because he
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  Speaker 13: pretty much talked about the fact that there's no need
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  Speaker 13: to change parliamentary debate. He says that it's been suggested
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  Speaker 13: there's been some causal connection between robust parliamentary debate and
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  Speaker 13: political violence, and he disagrees with this view. And then
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  Speaker 13: he went on to say a few more comments. Well,
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  Speaker 13: we've heard from people like the independent MP, Zali Stegall,
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  Speaker 13: who actually sits next to Helen Haynes in the lower house.
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  Speaker 13: And she says she was personally disappointed by Taylor's speech.
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  Speaker 13: And she says that it was just that he didn't
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  Speaker 13: seem to read the room and went on about, of course,
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  Speaker 13: there's been a lot of discussion since the incident, the
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  Speaker 13: alleged attack, you know, about the safety of MPs, about
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  Speaker 13: the state of the political environment, about the culture of
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  Speaker 13: parliamentary debates, in fact. But it was considered that it
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  Speaker 13: wasn't the time for Angus Taylor to go into those
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  Speaker 13: sort of details. We also heard from another crossbencher, Monique Ryan,
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  Speaker 13: who said that The speech was simply tone deaf, so
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  Speaker 13: unimpressed with what Angus Taylor had to say yesterday when
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  Speaker 13: it was a very, very, very solemn day in Canberra.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Donna DeMay, our Australia correspondent. It is 16 minutes
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  Speaker 2: away from six. You're on Newstalk CB. Election is just
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  Speaker 2: around the corner. We have the education spokespeople from our
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  Speaker 2: two major parties on the show this morning. Erica Stanford
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  Speaker 2: from National. Good morning. Also joining us, Ginny Anderson from Labour.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Ginny.
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  Speaker 14: Good morning, Ryan.
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  Speaker 2: So I thought we would start, are you happy, Ginny, currently,
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  Speaker 2: are you happy with the way and what children are
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  Speaker 2: being taught? Are we teaching the right things? Are we
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  Speaker 2: doing good by them?
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  Speaker 14: In general, we're comfortable where things are at, but we
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  Speaker 14: want to continue to make sure we make good progress
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  Speaker 14: and that it's being delivered in a way that reaches
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  Speaker 14: every learner. We know that not all children learn the same,
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  Speaker 14: and the last thing we want is a one-size-fits-all approach.
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  Speaker 14: So as long as we are being adaptable enough to
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  Speaker 14: our kids' needs, we're pleased to keep going.
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  Speaker 2: Erica?
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  Speaker 7: Oh, well, that's really nice to hear, because that's not
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  Speaker 7: what we've been hearing for the last three years. You know,
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  Speaker 7: we've just put out a most incredible new curriculum, and
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  Speaker 7: Labour have said that they're going to slow it down.
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  Speaker 7: We've seen some amazing results with English and maths so far. Really,
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  Speaker 7: really good improvements and achievement for the first time in
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  Speaker 7: a long time, thanks to our reforms. And next year,
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  Speaker 7: we've got social science and science about to hit our classrooms.
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  Speaker 7: Really knowledge-rich... excellent curriculum areas, but Labour want to slow
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  Speaker 7: them down. So Ginny's on the one hand saying, hey,
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  Speaker 7: it's all going great, but actually their whole policy is
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  Speaker 7: defined by tearing everything down.
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  Speaker 2: Do you accept that, Ginny? Do you accept what Erica
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  Speaker 2: Stanford is saying, that we are starting to see fruit
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  Speaker 2: being born?
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  Speaker 14: We are seeing it in some ways, but it's been
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  Speaker 14: really unfortunate that Erica's been the sort of minister that's
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  Speaker 14: used data incorrectly. She's continually misrepresented data to tell a
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  Speaker 14: story that she wants to tell not to actually represent
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  Speaker 14: how our kids are doing. And when she politicises education
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  Speaker 14: like that, no one really wins. She might feel like
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  Speaker 14: she's winning, but at the end of the day, our
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  Speaker 14: kids don't win.
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  Speaker 7: Every single one of the independent pieces of research that
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  Speaker 7: have come in has showed an improvement, whether that's PAT results,
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  Speaker 7: whether that's curriculum insights, whether that's PISA, whether that's our
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  Speaker 7: phonics checks. every single thing has gone up. And the
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  Speaker 7: way I'm representing the data is the way that it
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  Speaker 7: is provided to me by the Ministry of Education. So
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  Speaker 7: Jenny's making a big, bold claim about the ministry misrepresenting
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  Speaker 7: data there.
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  Speaker 2: I want to ask a couple of specific.
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  Speaker 14: Can I just respond on that one point? It's been
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  Speaker 14: really interesting to see the international data, the OECD data,
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  Speaker 14: that Erica pointed to, that New Zealand has seen an
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  Speaker 14: improvement in science.
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  Speaker 8: Which is great.
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  Speaker 14: But her curriculum that she's introduced isn't taught until next year,
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  Speaker 14: yet she's still trying to claim that her changes... were
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  Speaker 14: the ones behind our kids improving. So it's good our
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  Speaker 14: kids are improving, but she shouldn't point to her reforms
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  Speaker 14: that haven't even kicked in as a result of that.
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  Speaker 2: I want to ask a couple of specific questions about
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  Speaker 2: structured literacy and other things, Jenny, because Erica has like
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  Speaker 2: 99 questions of you guys. Is Labour going to keep
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  Speaker 2: the mandatory structured literacy requirements in the English curriculum?
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  Speaker 14: We started and we introduced structured literacy. We think it's
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  Speaker 14: an excellent tool. We know that having the basics of reading, writing,
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  Speaker 14: maths being taught well is an excellent start to a
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  Speaker 14: strong education. But it's important because some kids might need
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  Speaker 14: more than an hour a day and some kids might
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  Speaker 14: not be able to focus for a full hour that
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  Speaker 14: we enable the school system to have that level of flexibility.
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  Speaker 2: So not mandatory. Erica, why does it need to be mandatory?
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  Speaker 1: Well, hang on a minute.
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  Speaker 7: She didn't answer the question. You asked her whether or
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  Speaker 7: not keeping structured literacy mandatory and she deviated into an
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  Speaker 7: hour a day. This is the problem. You saw Hipkins
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  Speaker 7: last week with Heather de Plessis-Allen wouldn't answer the question.
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  Speaker 7: We have mandated structured literacy. And by the way, I
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  Speaker 7: just want to.
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  Speaker 2: you know, correct a.
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  Speaker 7: Wee fallacy there. Structured literacy was developed under a national
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  Speaker 7: government through the National Science Beta.
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  Speaker 1: It was not.
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  Speaker 11: It was not.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, good.
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to do another lovely little video on you,
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  Speaker 7: my friend, because.
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  Speaker 14: It was developed under the Beta Start.
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  Speaker 7: Literacy approach, was developed under... Better Start Science Challenge in 2016.
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  Speaker 14: Hang on a minute.
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  Speaker 7: This is really important.
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  Speaker 2: Because she keeps saying this. I don't think people are
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  Speaker 2: interested in finding out who came up with what. So
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  Speaker 2: the question is whether it's mandatory. And Ginny, are you
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  Speaker 2: saying you would take away it being mandatory?
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  Speaker 14: We would make sure it's sewn right throughout the curriculum.
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  Speaker 14: It's a fundamental part of how people are being taught.
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  Speaker 14: But in some cases, there are children who can't focus
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  Speaker 14: for a whole hour. That's not an hour a day, Ginny.
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  Speaker 7: Ginny, it's not an hour a day.
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  Speaker 14: You said it was an hour a day.
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  Speaker 7: It's not an hour a day. He's asking you a
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  Speaker 7: very simple question. So you're saying it's not an hour
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  Speaker 7: a day? Will you mandate structured literacy? Stop trying to
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  Speaker 7: muddy the waters.
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  Speaker 14: So you're just saying now it's not an hour a day.
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  Speaker 14: Is that what you said?
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  Speaker 7: Ginny, answer the question.
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  Speaker 8: Is it an hour a day or not?
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  Speaker 7: Will you mandate structured literacy?
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  Speaker 8: It's a different topic.
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  Speaker 14: Structured literacy will remain in place the way it is now,
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  Speaker 14: but if some children can't focus for a whole hour...
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  Speaker 14: It's nothing to do with an hour a day. It's
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  Speaker 14: nothing to do with an hour a day. Did you
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  Speaker 14: just say that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, they are different things.
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  Speaker 7: Structured literacy is nothing to do.
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  Speaker 2: With an hour a day. So to be clear... Really? Well,
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was. Well, here we go.
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  Speaker 7: And herein lies the problem.
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  Speaker 14: Well, Erica's just said it's not about an hour a day.
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  Speaker 14: It's not about an hour a day. She said it first.
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  Speaker 7: Here's the problem, Ryan. What she's essentially saying is children
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  Speaker 7: learn by looking at the picture and guessing the word
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  Speaker 7: and using the context to get the word.
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  Speaker 14: It's not at all.
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  Speaker 7: That's not what I said. Well, how else are children
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  Speaker 7: going to be learning to read and write?
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  Speaker 14: They learn through structured literacy. They learn through structured literacy.
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  Speaker 2: And only structured literacy.
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  Speaker 14: But you're saying now they don't have to do an
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  Speaker 14: hour a day. That's what you just said.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not. They're different things. Ginny, can I just
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  Speaker 2: jump in here and just ask, because both of you,
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  Speaker 2: it's a very tribal education. You've got unions who are,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Labour, you obviously have a close relationship with
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  Speaker 2: the unions, and I know that you want to support
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  Speaker 2: them and their views. And then you've got on the
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  Speaker 2: other side, National, who now in a lot of polls
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  Speaker 2: is coming ahead in voter preferences on education. Is there
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  Speaker 2: any way you, guys could work closer together to make
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  Speaker 2: this less of a yo-yo, a bouncing ball at election time, Erica?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I tried that. I texted Willow-Jean Prime and then
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  Speaker 7: I emailed her three times to the point where I
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  Speaker 7: had to copy in the.
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  Speaker 7: Leader of the Opposition as well, to try and get
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  Speaker 7: an answer. And then she came back and said, no,
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  Speaker 7: I'm sorry, I don't want to deal with you. By
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  Speaker 7: that point in time, most of the work for the
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  Speaker 7: new NCEA had already been done. I've reached out to Ginny.
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  Speaker 7: We've had a meeting, despite what the Leader of the
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  Speaker 7: Opposition said the other day. I have tried really hard.
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  Speaker 7: But there are a lot of things I think we
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  Speaker 7: hopefully agree on. I mean, it sounds like we have
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  Speaker 7: got to a point where they have agreed that the
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  Speaker 7: mandate for structured literacy will stay in place. The issue
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  Speaker 7: we've now got is they don't like the twice yearly assessments,
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  Speaker 7: they don't like an hour a day, and they want
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  Speaker 7: to keep the failing NCEA in place. And those things
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  Speaker 7: are core things that are part of the way we're
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  Speaker 7: going to raise achievement and close the.
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  Speaker 2: Equity gap in this country. Jenny, do you want to
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  Speaker 2: respond to that?
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  Speaker 14: I think there are some good areas where we can
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  Speaker 14: make common ground. And I think one of those particularly
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  Speaker 14: is learning support. So we know there's a really big
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  Speaker 14: amount of children increasing who need extra support for a
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  Speaker 14: And I think that's one of the biggest challenges going
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  Speaker 14: forward for the education system. So for me personally, I
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  Speaker 14: would really like to continue to make good progress both
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  Speaker 14: in the same direction on making sure parents and students
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  Speaker 14: get the appropriate learning support in place.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Hey, looking forward to these social media videos
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  Speaker 2: that are going to come out today.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, me too. I'll be watching eagerly.
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  Speaker 7: Well, that's the problem. She makes these claims and then
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: can't stand them.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, but you make such great videos.
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  Speaker 8: They're beautiful.
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  Speaker 14: We love them.
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  Speaker 7: Well, if they do get 200,000 views, it's quite good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, great comments.
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  Speaker 7: The key for me in education is you have to
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  Speaker 7: go in with a clear plan, right? That's what we
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  Speaker 7: did in 2023. We came out with our six-point plan
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  Speaker 7: to raise achievement, close the equity gap and create a
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  Speaker 7: world-leading education system. And it has worked. and our policies
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  Speaker 7: this election are to continue to build on that. If
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  Speaker 7: you go and look at Labour's election manifesto, what you
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: see is we're going to kick most things to a
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: working group that we're going to set up, an advisory
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: working group, and then stop and pause a whole lot
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: of other things. That is essentially how you would sum
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  Speaker 7: up Labour's education manifesto.
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  Speaker 14: Well, I'd just like to respond. I'd just like to
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  Speaker 14: respond to that. One of the biggest problems is, Erica
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  Speaker 14: is now under investigation by the ombudsman because she and
• 32:08
  Speaker 14: her office have been avoiding releasing information. So what I'd
• 32:11
  Speaker 14: love to see, if she did continue, was to be
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  Speaker 14: greater transparency and to be honest with parents about all
• 32:17
  Speaker 14: the information, about who actually wrote the curriculum, who actually
• 32:20
  Speaker 14: did all that work, and so how she hides information
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  Speaker 14: from people. And I think that's really sad. Where's your
• 32:28
  Speaker 14: vision for education?
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  Speaker 2: I feel like a teacher in a classroom right now
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  Speaker 2: and telling the naughty kids to be quiet. Ginny Anderson
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: from Labour, Erica Stanford from National. You're on Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: It is 5 to 6, Newstalk ZB. Mike in the studio. Morning, Mike. Ryan,
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  Speaker 2: how are you? Very well, thank you. How'd that go
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: for you? Very well, thank you. A lot of people commenting,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: texting in saying, I'm a new entrant teacher, very disadvantaged area,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: and the conversation that we've just had worries me. Can
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: we please keep Erica... finally making some progress.
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  Speaker 15: It's a funny thing, isn't it? Obviously the crime and
• 33:17
  Speaker 15: punishment thing has entered.
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  Speaker 2: The chat. The chat.
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  Speaker 15: But I didn't think education would necessarily be part of
• 33:24
  Speaker 15: the conversation because I thought generally, and the polls would
• 33:27
  Speaker 15: show you that, that generally speaking the government is seen
• 33:30
  Speaker 15: as being successful in the area and therefore you're buying
• 33:32
  Speaker 15: into an element of trouble if you're trying to upend
• 33:35
  Speaker 15: it in any way, shape or form.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: But then whenever I talk to parents, like friends of
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: mine who are parents, most of whom are, That is
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: the thing they talk about the most. 100%. They don't
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: talk about health.
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: It's your life.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: No, of course not. I suppose if you were older,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: you'd be more concerned about, yeah. But young people with children,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: they are genuinely, you know, they're talking about private schools.
• 33:53
  Speaker 15: It's the cost of living because that affects everybody. And
• 33:55
  Speaker 15: it's schools because that affects every parent, of course. Although, interestingly,
• 33:59
  Speaker 15: we're talking to a bloke this morning with ACT's business
• 34:02
  Speaker 15: of trying to save money and putting it into the
• 34:03
  Speaker 15: health system and whether or not most of the money
• 34:05
  Speaker 15: in the health system goes to people with chronic conditions.
• 34:08
  Speaker 15: So you talk about the so-called crisis, it's the same
• 34:11
  Speaker 15: people permanently in hospital. Anyway, that and of course we've
• 34:14
  Speaker 15: got our leaders breakfast with Chris Hipkins.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Fantastic. Newstalk ZB, Mike Hosking next.