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Home Alone vs Home Alone 2: The Debate · The Recess Bell

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  This production is brought to you by the Reesas Bell. Hello everybody, my
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  name is Justin Greenberg and this is Film Reel And what better month to be
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  talking about the Christmas classics Home Alone and Home Alone Two than in the middle
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  of March. Although this is a podcast, you can listen to this whenever.
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  I was talking with my buddy Liam a few days ago and we were
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  discussing how I personally adore the first Home Alone, and Liam was adamant that
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  the sequel Home Alone two was the superior film, and we got into sort
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  of a debate. So I figured, why the hell not bring him on
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  the show, and we're going to have this debate right here on Film Reel.
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  So Liam, how's it going, buddy, It's going good. Thank
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  you for having me. I'm glad we get to have a bit of a
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  longer form debate on this. This is something that I didn't know I was
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  very passionate about. Yeah, something I have found myself very passionate about over
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  the past week or so. So happy to be here. Thanks for having
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  me on, Justin. Yeah, Liam, you're a very smart individual,
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  which is shocking that you would say something so fucking stupid and by the way
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  you can curse. I let everyone know that you could curse, So,
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  uh yeah, this is cool. Is there a curse you want to say?
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  Uh? Shit? I guess that's the first shit. Yeah, that's
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  a good one. You think the home alone movies would be better if they
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  were saying like shit and fuck while getting it because Joe Peshy's was in these
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  movies and he's known for being like the greatest cursor in all the movies,
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  and he was actually afraid of cursing up yeah, because you know, he's
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  like like whenever he gets hard, he sort of speaks in the like yeah,
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  like a gibber yeah, like a Sims language. So he was worried
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  that he was actually gonna let one slip. But I think I don't know.
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  I think they could have gone the route of maybe having the one curse
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  word in there, but they sort of kept kept the clean. Well.
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  Yeah, I remember, like, especially in the the eighties nineties, the
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  rating was a little bit different, like you could get away with saying a
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  shit yeah every now and then, like once you said fuck, like that
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  was yeah, too far with the PG. But I think of Back to
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  the Future, that's nineteen eighty five, that's a PG movie and they say
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  shit a number of yeah, yeah, yeah. So well, even prior
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  to that, there was no such thing, as I think back to the
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  future, is that PG or PG thirteen. I believe the first one at
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  least is PG. Well there was, Believe it or not, there was
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  no such thing as a PG thirteen rating until nineteen eighty four. Two movies
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  came out, Temple of Doom and Gremlins, both Steven Spielberg produced and directed.
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  Spielberg directed Temple of Doom and he was like, this movie's kind of
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  gruesome. We need to have something in between because it's not quite are but
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  it's not pig so we need to have something in the middle. But yeah,
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  you're right. You know, kids' movies were allowed to get away with
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  more graphic material ya smoking cigarettes and having the foul language. But Home Alone
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  sort of kept it, you know, grounded in a in a family friendly
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  thing, and I think that was important for its success. Also, I
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  think the Christmas thing kind of ties into that too. I don't think,
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  especially if you're marketing it towards kids like I think they wanted to keep it
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  clean. By the way, all three back to the Futures are PG.
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  So really, I wasn't sure about the the second one because I feel like
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  that was maybe the most risk sale. Woman's breasts are dangling out. They
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  definitely say shit a lot. I mean, I love the Back of the
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  Future movies. Yes, I think a lot of people give Back to the
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  Future three a lot of shit. But I used to not like it,
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  but I've come to appreciate it a bit more. I actually and we will
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  talk about Home Alone, I promise. I think home I think Back to
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  the Future two is so overrated. Hm hm. And here's why. And
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  this is the same thing that it has to do with Home Alone. Back
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  to the Future two is just regurgitating pretty much, and this one is it's
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  very you know, obvious, because they're literally showing scenes from the first movie,
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  but they're taking the same formula, everything that worked in that first movie
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  and just doing it over again. And to me, I find that to
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  be very lazy. This is which is the main thing that I hate about
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  Home Alone two. You have something that's so original. I can't think of
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  any movie that was like Home Alone, and then two years later you just
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  want to make more money. Because when Home Alone came out, it was
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  the most successful comedy of all time. It was in fact a top ten
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  highest grossing movie all time of all time at the end of its release,
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  and they just wanted to make more money, so they just, you know,
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  crapped out another movie within two years, and all originality was lost.
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  They're just regurgitating the same jokes, the same setups, which is one of
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  the reasons of many reasons why I think the original is superior. Well,
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  I think that when it comes to this, we can and I don't know,
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  we're definitely not going into the like three years four all alone. But
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  that's where I feel like when the originality was lost because putting him in New
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  York, I feel and again maybe that's just the New Yorker in me speaking,
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  but there is something more special about him just being at home. I
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  thought him being at home and his home neighborhood was a little he could have
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  done a little bit with that. He could have maybe I feel like you
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  have a smaller police department there if you if you show up to and I
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  guess we're getting right down into it, but uh like if you show up
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  at you know, the thirty second Precinct in the middle of New York City.
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  They're just like, okay, whatever, like we're not gonna I feel
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  like take it as seriously as a smaller town would like, Oh, you're
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  a McAllister, we know the mccallis is this and that I know your cousin.
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  But they showed the ineptitude of the police force. There's the scene where
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  you know, the mom's calling and you get transferred from one station to the
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  It's not like Chicago is this uh you know, bumble you know, uh
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  Andy Griffith's sort of neighborhood. Right, It's still a hustle and bustle city,
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  but I get what you're saying. And now they're in the suburbs at
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  least, you know, like there's probably some sort of but all the neighbors
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  are gone though, right, and again, this is a different time.
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  We've all seen the memes of if this movie took place in modern day,
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  he'd have a cell phone, he'd called, but the phone lines went down.
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  All the neighbors are on vacation. He's alone. He's a trapped,
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  you know, scared kid. He's he's home alone. And I just I
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  feel that original movie is superior in pretty much every single way. Every way
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  from the home setting that you're in the entire time. I think this is
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  another pivotal thing because everyone loves the climax of these movies that is like when
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  you're a kid, especially when you're when you get older, I actually appreciate
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  different things in the movie, the relationship with the mom and the kid,
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  the old man. But when you're a kid, what you really love is
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  the end of the movie when it becomes a Looney Tune short where he's just
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  you know, setting up traps and whatnot. And I think why the first
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  movie works so well is because you were in that setting the entire of the
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  movie. So you know all the inns and the outs of the house because
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  you're there the entire time. You see the traps throughout. You know,
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  he sees the Christmas decorations, he puts those up, he's playing with the
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  micro machines in the beginning, you know, the fishhooks, all this stuff.
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  You're around it, and you're able to relate to it more so because
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  you're there when it's his home with a whole family there. You're there when
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  he's home alone, and then you're there when he's protecting the home. Whereas
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  in home alone two, he's sort of out and about. He goes from
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  the hotel room, he's at the toy store, and then he goes to
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  a random relative's house. Yeah, that hasn't abandoned. It's like you're just
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  introduced to the fact that there's another place for him to set up traps pretty
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  much. Yeah, but that takes away, that takes away from the specialty
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  of protecting your home. But I think at this point, now he's protecting
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  himself. I think that's what becomes the biggest thing is now he's alone in
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  New York. His only safe haven is this hotel where the staff hates his
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  guts. Already, he already feels unsafe for He's a piece of shit,
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  let's be honest. Well that's that and and you know what, that's my
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  biggest thing with the first movie. So in the beginning, you don't want
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  to root for this kid. He's just I'm leaving alone, like I don't
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  want to live. I'm rooting against this kid, if anything, you know,
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  like I'm rooting for Marvin Harry. So seeing that, like in going
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  into the second movie, it's a bit more endearing. You know, you
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  see the human side of Kevin, and you start to root for him as
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  the first one goes on. But in the beginning, it's like this kid,
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  it's good that he's alone. Maybe it'll wake him up a little bit,
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  like a slap on the side of the head or something. But I
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  I but but to counteract that, there is growth. There is growth in
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  the character. He's a little shit at the beginning of the movie. He
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  learns to fend for himself, he realizes the errors in his way, and
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  then he rekindles a relationship with his mom at the end, and that's a
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  very special, touching moment, even though the whole family arrives a minute later,
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  but she's the first one to greet him, and that's very special.
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  And he's changed from the beginning of the movie to the end of the movie,
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  and then everything just resets like it's a sitcom, you know, at
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  the end of a Simpsons episode, Homer learns a lesson, and then the
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  next episode and he's back to being an asshole. This is the same thing.
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  There's zero growth, he's back to being a piece of shit, and
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  it's again regurgitating the same thing. I think you lose that special moment between
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  the mom and the sun. Can you admit that that is not there in
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  the sequels. Definitely, I think because at this point, what you know,
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  relationship is there to rekindle, because I think in the beginning of the
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  second one he was a bit again, he's still a brat, but he
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  was a little bit less of a piece of shit than he was the start
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  of the beginning of the first Home Alone. Yeah, I thought that was
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  amazing. Like, I want to I want to kick my TV. Almost
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  I rewatched Home Alone one in preparation. I wanted to see if I can,
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  if I missed anything, if maybe it could spark something, And just
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  watching it all over again, I was like Jesus Christ, like, I
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  don't want to root for this kid. I don't want to do anything.
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  So yeah, the character development and him kind of the rekindling of the relationship
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  with his mom, it was nice to see. But I think it goes
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  back to what you were saying when you were a kid, the climax of
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  the movie was the main piece. It wasn't the character development or the growth
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  of everybody. It was about the action and the fun scenes and the battle
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  plan and everything. I think when you're a kid, though, Also,
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  you don't see that he's being a Bret. I mean, especially when I
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  was growing up, there were a lot of characters that were like this.
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  You know, they redid Dennis the Menace a few years, like they tried
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  to recapture There's so many Home Alone clones after this movie. Like this movie
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  was a juggernaut. I mentioned the top ten highest grossing movie of all time,
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  almost five hundred million dollars. I'm sure the budget was not even like,
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  yeah, eighteen eighteen million dollar budget, that's increasing when it grossed four
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  hundred and seventy six million, and that's not including VHS sales. That's the
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  box office, which is so much because everyone owned this movie, including me.
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  And also that could be a thing as to why I have a special
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  place for the first one. I never owned Home Alone two on VHS,
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  so we would rewatch the original one constantly. Where's the second one? You'd
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  catch it every now and then on TV, or you'd rent it once in
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  a while. As far as other things that I do love about the first
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  Home Alone that you do not get in Home Alone Too, I'll say it
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  now, I'll say it a million times. John Candy in that movie is
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  so funny. It's all improvised stuff. You know, him and Katherine O'Hara
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  had this relationship through Second City, so they have this chemistry that I just
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  find so endearing. He he I think is the best side character in any
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  of the movies, and they don't have anything like that. Who is that
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  character in Home Alone? Two? Yeah, there really isn't that character,
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  And although I don't really think there is a situation where there need to be
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  that character, because again, the only reason why John Candy was there was
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  because she could hit a ride with him and she can get back to Chicago,
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  So that was there's no opportunity for it. So I guess maybe if
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  you force it, that could have been worse. But I agree with you
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  not having first of all, John Candy as a whole in the movie,
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  and then second just not having that fun side character where there's that endearing relationship
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  being formed out of out of nothing really because in the beginning she was almost
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  a little bit like who the hell are you? Yeah, Airport, So
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  that I will give to Home Alone one is the John Candy and you will
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  give this, you will give that. Old Man Marley is so much better
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  than Pigeon Lady. Pigeon Lady I don't know if it's just because I'm creeped
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  out by the way she looked. There was a lady in my neighborhood we
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  called a bag lady that looked like her. I don't know. That turns
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  me off. There's no again, there's no growth of her character. I
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  think that's very important to me. I want these characters to be one thing
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  at the beginning of the movie and then be something else. You're taking the
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  same premise. Okay, he sees this scary figure. He saw the scary
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  figure in the Old Man. It's the same shit. And then you realize
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  there's a heart of gold underneath the scariness. And then Old Man Marley takes
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  that extra step and gets a relationship with his son. That's a really touching
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  moment. I mean, that's like the whole premise of that first Home Alone
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  movie is having a broken family of sorts, whether it's Kevin and his mom
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  or Old Man Marley and his son. And then they reunite at the end
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  of the movie. And that is so touching. When Kevin's looking out the
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  window and sees them reunite. Whereas Pigeon Lady, what happens with Pigeon lady.
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  Listen, she's still homeless. She sells crack probably, And this is
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  where I think you're missing it. Are you you dehumanizing homeless people? Yes,
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  you like going to the city and seeing homeless people, I know,
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  But I think, but I think the Pigeon Lady represents that there is no
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  matter what's going on with these people, there still is a human underneath everything.
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  But it's a Christmas movie. There should be some miracle, like she
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  gets a job at the Toy Story. You could have done something right.
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  The pigeon lady, who all she has, her whole life has been birds,
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  pigeons in the middle of New York City. Now she has a friend
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  of some sort. He gives her a gift. I know they'll never see
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  each other idea. I know they'll never see each other again, but she'll
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  always have that, like other half of the turtle that she sold that for
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  crack. Are you kidding me? You think she kept that gold turtle dove.
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  No, it was like porcelain or something whatever it was. It was
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  sold immediately by New Year's because she needs to buy more crack or food for
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  her pigeons. Well, that's the thing. I when you she doesn't look
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  like the standard crackhead. She still has some weight on her, you know,
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  she's not she's definitely like a drunk. Yeah, but everybody is.
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  Everybody's a drunk nowadays. Every buddy it goes home and drinks something after work.
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  You know, it's just it's it's it's glorified when you have a home,
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  when you live on the street, it's like, ugh, you could
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  be saving up for an apartment. It's like, well, you know,
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  maybe she wants a beer every now and then. Do you not think,
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  though, does the originality not annoy you? Because well it would be hypocritical
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  because I will say I do like Terminator too, which is sort of regurgitating
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  Terminator. I do like Aliens, which is sort of regurgitating Alien. But
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  when it comes to comedies, they're taking like joke for joke. They're setting
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  up the same setup, whether it's you know, the angels with filthy souls,
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  like you're doing the same bit. But I think the difference between the
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  movies that you just referenced in this one is that this is a children's movie
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  and that this is this is aim towards kids. So growing up as a
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  kid when there was something very different Like I never watched Home Alone three because
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  it was two different, different families, different kid. I was like,
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  I can't this is it was a culture shock almost. So if you have
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  a totally different premise, like what would have been a better plot for Home
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  Alone two, No movie, just don't make it. You don't. He
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  didn't make a sequel to It's a Wonderful Life. You just you don't need
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  to make sequels. Obviously all about money. It's clearly they shit this movie
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  out in two years. Think about this. The Batman movie just got pushed
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  another year. It's gonna be four years and four and a half years from
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  Batman to the Batman too. But then again, there's a lot more like
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  that goes into a Batman movie than Home Alone. I'd say, oh,
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  yeah, for sure, for sure. But I think this was, Uh,
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  we gotta make these movies because this kid's gonna go through puberty and he's
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  not gonna be charming anymore. He's probably gonna end up like Pigeon Lady.
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  They should do something with this franchise because they've tried to do like there.
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  I think there's six Home Alone movies if I'm not mistaken. They had the
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  three that were in theaters, and then I think there was one where they
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  brought back Marv, but he's played by French Stewart. Who is that is
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  the name of an actor. I think they made a fifth one. I
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  think recently they just made a sixth one with some little British kid and I
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  believe Buzz had a cameo in it. But I don't think Buzz will be
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  in any movies anymore because he's been accused of rape. Oh I did not
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  know that. That's a down armer. Yeah, but as far as Home
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  Alone too, I will say I don't hate the movie. I definitely do
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  not hate the movie. It has some very funny moments. I was just
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  playing the clip to you earlier when he throws the brick at them. Suck
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  brick, kid, suck. It's funny. I still will watch it anytime
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  I, you know, turn on the TV and it's on, I'm going
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  to watch it. I just watched it, you know, this past Christmas.
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  But I think because you mentioned they're kids movies, but to me,
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  they're more important than just a generic kid movie. They're not one of these
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  dumb kids movies, especially the first one. I think it's something that old
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  people can, like young people could, like black kids can, like white
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  kids can, like it is something that is generational, and uh, I
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  think if they were to make a sequel, I think I think the best
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  thing would be to just not make a sequel. I think it does transcend
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  being just a kids movie, and I think that's obviously where the character development
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  of Kevin and then of the neighbor where that comes into place. But I
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  think you're really discounting how much you know it means for the humanization of somebody
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  who has looked at as subhuman. You're on this picion. Not that I'm
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  banking on it, but it's just you make it such a huge part.
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  Like my biggest thing with Home Alone one is like there's so many holes in
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  it, Like nobody had to wake up to use the bathroom and notice that
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  they were late and behind schedule, Like there were fifty people in the fucking
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  house, Like Fuller didn't have to get up to take a piss at some
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  point in the middle of that. No, that's a good point, but
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  like it just at some point I feel like there there had to have been
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  somebody like you know, hey, you know it's seven thirty nobody's awake right
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  now. That's the first one. But the second one, you're saying the
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  same thing's gonna happen. This kid's gonna be left alone again. But but
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  it wasn't. He went He went the wrong way at the airport, chasing
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  two Christmases in a row. Come on, there's so many holes in this.
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  There were two years apart, I think in the movie. Well in
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  the movie, was it? I know in real life there were two years.
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  Yeah, I'm assuming it was back to back Christmas. Yes, it
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  was, you know, two years apart, nineteen ninety and nineteen ninety two.
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  But Liam, I know we were short on time here. Yes,
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  I still can debate this. Uh a die, My dying wish will be
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  to change your opinion on this. I don't think it's gonna happen though.
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  You're pretty dead set that it's home alone too. And another thing too,
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  is it's just not very relatable. Like Kevin has this giant house in Chicago
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  with all of these different knick knacks and stuff. He can use all this
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  stuff. It's cooler when you make something out of nothing, which finds something.
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  When he finds something in that like house, that's being you know it's
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  under construction, it's all gutted and everything. He's using the paint and can
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  the bricks. Oh yeah, I haven't seen those before. I like them
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  the first time. But like, and by the way, the suck brick
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  kid line would have been a lot funnier if it was a rated R movie,
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  like going back to that. Yeah, like they could have you know
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  something there, But there is edits out there actually that take the footage and
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  they add blood to it, so they're getting pelted with paint cans and you'll
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  see like bones break and blood go everywhere. So there has been some fun
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  with it. I don't know what you do with the home Alone franchise from
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  here on out. Obviously it's a big seller. They still sell the merchandise
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  I have heard on the DVD commentary track actually for the first movie, Macaulay
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  Culkin mentions that he would like to make a movie where Marvin Harry have reformed
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  and Kevin ends up being the robber and he tries to like steal stuff and
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  cause mischief to them when they're senior citizens. That's actually pretty fun. I
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  think if there is something you do with it, that's the only thing.
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  But don't make any ones without Kevin McAllister. I think we could all agree
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  on that one, you know. But the other thing is critics hated these
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  movies. In fact, I believe Home Alone three was the only ones.
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  It was the only one that Ciskel or Ebert actually cared for. But like
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  most critics saw these movies as dumb, were it was shocking. I think
• 21:22
  I think they're well made movies. They're shot well, there's great musical choices,
• 21:26
  good good acting, and it's just a fun time. I'm glad you
• 21:27
  brought up the music because I think the second one because the first one.
• 21:32
  There is the score, and I do love the score. John Williams score
• 21:37
  is tremendous. But then the musical choices, I mean the run Run Rudolph
• 21:41
  when they're going to the airport, or rocking around the Christmas tree with the
• 21:45
  dancing the shadow. What is there in Home Alone two? All Alone on
• 21:49
  Christmas is a good one, and the cool Jark, Yeah cool is another
• 21:53
  good one. So I feel like there's more and there was. It was
• 21:56
  less scory there. There was obviously the original Home Alone song that was used
• 22:02
  throughout the movie. But yeah, I do like the studio released songs that
• 22:10
  they just kind of throw in there that and I'm not thrown in, it's
• 22:11
  strategically placed in. But just I like that when you take a song and
• 22:15
  then almost give it a new meaning, or when you think of this song,
• 22:19
  you don't think of you know, the artist. You think of Home
• 22:22
  Alone, for example, Oh anytime, anytime those songs, you know,
• 22:29
  but when he's doing the aftershave thing, I don't think of Christmas, I
• 22:33
  think of Home Alone. Right, So I think both these movies, regardless
• 22:37
  of what we think, they're both classics. Of course, they both should
• 22:41
  be watched every Christmas and h or March. Yeah, or March as I
• 22:47
  found myself on Tuesday, March twelfth up at night watching Home Alone, and
• 22:52
  it was an interesting sight. But all right, Liam, that's gonna do
• 22:56
  it for this additional film. Real, thank you for joining me. I
• 22:59
  think we should have some more debates, so we should talk some back to
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  the future or we'll maybe revisit this topic. Absolutely. Thanks for having me
• 23:07
  on, Jess. Of course, Liam, have a go one, buddy,
• 23:08
  and have a good one to all the listeners out there. Bye bye.