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God's Plan Is Better Than Yours | Divine Trust, Self Worth, Faith & Letting Go with Annie Ogden · The Divine Worth Podcast

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SPEAKER_02: I felt very limited on what I could achieve based on my own perception of myself and
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SPEAKER_02: and so because I didn't think in high school
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SPEAKER_02: that boys would like me I thought well I'll just be funny then or
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SPEAKER_02: because I didn't think I would be a great smart scientist I would reserve myself
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SPEAKER_02: to doing only the arts or only things that I felt good at and I restricted myself
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SPEAKER_02: a lot based on what I thought my capacity was
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SPEAKER_00: welcome to the divine worth podcast where we are letting go
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SPEAKER_00: of our self doubt anxiety fear limiting beliefs so that we can step into
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SPEAKER_00: the divine roles that god has for us i am your host life coach karen papin
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SPEAKER_00: and together we are embracing our divine worth and potential welcome to
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SPEAKER_01: the divine worth podcast our guest today is annie onton annie is from lehigh utah
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SPEAKER_01: and a total victim of god's plan being much cooler than her own i love how she says
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SPEAKER_01: that
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SPEAKER_01: After serving a mission in Tampa,
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SPEAKER_01: Florida and graduating from BYU,
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SPEAKER_01: she has worked as a social media strategist,
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SPEAKER_01: comedian,
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SPEAKER_01: aquarium educator,
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SPEAKER_01: amateur American ninja warrior,
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SPEAKER_01: and is currently in the throes of going to law school in the fall
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SPEAKER_01: to continue her work in international human rights.
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SPEAKER_01: That is awesome.
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SPEAKER_01: So, Annie, thank you.
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SPEAKER_01: Welcome.
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SPEAKER_01: Welcome.
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SPEAKER_01: And thank you for being here.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_02: And thank you for reading out that bio.
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SPEAKER_02: It is random and you did great.
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SPEAKER_01: i love it i love it because it's it just shows that you have like this whole scope
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SPEAKER_02: to you right you know some people would call
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SPEAKER_02: that like i don't know adhd doctors have uh
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SPEAKER_02: but it's no it's great i i feel like i i feel like i'm the the cautionary sign
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SPEAKER_02: of making a bucket list and praying about it
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SPEAKER_02: because god just might like tick those things off and it's really fun so i love
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SPEAKER_01: that i think it's i i it's really good like i really do
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SPEAKER_01: well i'm someone who has like a lot of different interests and
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SPEAKER_01: so anytime someone is like you know has experience in this and then that and
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SPEAKER_01: then this and it's just it's awesome it's like it shows that you're willing to learn
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SPEAKER_01: and and grow too okay so to begin i want
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SPEAKER_01: to ask you what how how would you what is divine worth to you
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SPEAKER_02: I think for me divine worth was something that first
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SPEAKER_02: of all you like you grow up hearing all the time especially if you grow up in
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SPEAKER_02: the LDS church right you learn about individual worth was one of
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SPEAKER_02: the personal progress principles
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SPEAKER_02: triple p as we say and uh and so i think you hear that that term quite a bit
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SPEAKER_02: but i think it didn't super hit me until recently just this idea for me that it is
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SPEAKER_02: that every person in the planet
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SPEAKER_02: has a soul and that soul is beautiful period like full stop and like i think
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SPEAKER_02: that we'll probably get into this and i know that you talk a lot about this
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SPEAKER_02: but you know there's lots of things that where we add a comma to that and we add a
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SPEAKER_02: but or an and and try to put different conditions on on the worth of our soul or
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SPEAKER_02: the beauty of our soul and no that's no like divine worth is the fact that
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SPEAKER_02: because you are alive because you're here on this earth because you have a soul
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SPEAKER_02: it is beautiful you have worth and god is obsessed with you
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SPEAKER_01: and he loves you no matter what i love i i have
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SPEAKER_01: a feeling i'm just gonna be like oh i love how you said that so i love problem
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SPEAKER_01: beyond everything i think
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SPEAKER_01: but i love that you said god is obsessed with you and and just that answer too
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SPEAKER_01: because the question that comes into my mind is what if i with every person
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SPEAKER_01: that i met strive to see the beauty that is within their soul
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SPEAKER_02: yeah because i think i've done this before and uh you're perfect
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SPEAKER_02: so i don't think you've done this before but maybe somebody else has i have
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SPEAKER_02: but we'll say they're great but right oh i this person's awesome but you know
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SPEAKER_02: or you know and i think that we even to ourselves we'll say that and we need to put
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SPEAKER_02: the period we need to put the full stop
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SPEAKER_02: right we need to because so much happens when you just like look at this person
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SPEAKER_02: and separate them from their decisions separate them from their circumstances from
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SPEAKER_02: the the hand life dealt to them and the cards that they took willingly and say you
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SPEAKER_02: you are a person and you are a soul and god is obsessed with you and that's that's
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SPEAKER_02: the end of the story how does that change the way i see these people
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SPEAKER_02: and often pretty much always what that means is that i get to feel a little bit of
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SPEAKER_02: that love and i get i get to have eyes to see just a little bit more these people
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SPEAKER_02: for who they really are and not just the labels that we just slap on people you know
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SPEAKER_02: or the you know the judgments we make after having a couple conversations with them
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SPEAKER_02: or even just our natural preclusion based on
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SPEAKER_02: what we prefer in people you know there's some things that have helped you see
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SPEAKER_01: that i think there's a couple things number one i love storytelling i i was an
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SPEAKER_02: musical theater kid in high school or probably musical as a musical theater kid
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SPEAKER_02: in high school or you could probably just say a theater kid
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SPEAKER_02: because I wasn't super musical but I loved growing up acting
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SPEAKER_02: and I thought I thought I was going to be like this really big hotshot actor and
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SPEAKER_02: the dream has changed but at the time part of the reason I loved it
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SPEAKER_02: so much was this idea of really understanding where people are coming from
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SPEAKER_02: you know you could take a villain in a shakespearean play
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SPEAKER_02: and say well what is making them make that decision and i think that that built up
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SPEAKER_02: a lot of empathy and i think that that's why god allowed that to be in my life for
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SPEAKER_02: a really long time really intensely is so that i could learn that empathy and
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SPEAKER_02: so that's that's one thing and i think you can get that not if you're listening
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SPEAKER_02: to this podcast you do not have to be an actor don't go sign up for acting classes
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SPEAKER_02: unless you want to
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SPEAKER_02: but even just listening
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SPEAKER_02: to stories storytelling right listening you know watching movies or books
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SPEAKER_02: or reading books watching television listening to stories i think that that builds
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SPEAKER_02: a lot of empathy for people and then i think you know finding stories
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SPEAKER_02: in real life too i
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SPEAKER_02: meeting people and i think going on my mission meeting a lot of people in florida
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SPEAKER_02: so many different types of people in florida and i love all of them
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SPEAKER_02: that really added a lot to the stories i gathered of different people you know
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SPEAKER_02: because one day you would be meeting somebody that struggled
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SPEAKER_02: hard with drug addiction and did not have a home and had many kids
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SPEAKER_02: with many different people and was living you know you're in their house
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SPEAKER_02: and there's cockroaches crawling on your leg you know and then you would meet people
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SPEAKER_02: and they had six columns in their house
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SPEAKER_02: because they were very they were very blessed and had lots of money and
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SPEAKER_02: had different things.
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SPEAKER_01: but number two there's other ways you can find those stories too like i you know i
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SPEAKER_02: took a trip and went to a different country and went to church at
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SPEAKER_02: that different country and i saw how they interact i saw some beautiful women
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SPEAKER_02: in early society sharing their stories and it was incredible
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SPEAKER_02: or at work i work at an aquarium right now because why not putting
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SPEAKER_02: that advertising degree to good use and we drive to schools and we hold up snakes
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SPEAKER_02: and we say this this is a snake and we drive a lot with my co-workers and so
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SPEAKER_02: then you and a lot of these co-workers are from different places in the country and
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SPEAKER_02: so you get to ask what's your story
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SPEAKER_02: where are you from how did you get here and finding different stories so
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SPEAKER_01: that what this answer was a story and i'm sorry it was so long but i think
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SPEAKER_02: for me finding stories of people and understanding people holy and understanding
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SPEAKER_02: and seeking to see them not
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SPEAKER_02: as first impressions but as their stories as their experiences and really deeply try
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SPEAKER_02: to get to know a lot of different people love that we can learn a lot
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SPEAKER_01: when we're actually open to learning more about them and and what they've been
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SPEAKER_01: through and and how they feel about all that and just yeah
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SPEAKER_01: putting aside the judgments that can come and going deeper yeah
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SPEAKER_02: which actually i think is why the scriptures are
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SPEAKER_02: so awesome right is it's stories right and people who make interesting decisions
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SPEAKER_02: and people who like you would say hmm i i wouldn't sell my brother into slavery
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SPEAKER_02: because he has a cool coat but
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SPEAKER_02: we and sometimes we do want to do that but often we're able to look past
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SPEAKER_02: the past just the outside of that story and understand the value either
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SPEAKER_02: the lesson learned or what god's trying to communicate through the stories and
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SPEAKER_02: so you can do that in the scriptures you can do that in media and we can do it with
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SPEAKER_02: the real life people in our in our lives too
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SPEAKER_01: love that and i think going along with that it's like what are the ask questions
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SPEAKER_01: whether like if you're in the scriptures asking like one thing that came to me
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SPEAKER_01: the other day was i was thinking about eve we were in a i'm a secretary in
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SPEAKER_01: the release site presidency and we're planning okay what are we going to do
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SPEAKER_01: for mother's day and so we're talking about the women in the scriptures
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SPEAKER_01: and it's like well
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SPEAKER_01: look at what they went through like it was not easy
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SPEAKER_01: for them they did not have easy lives and yet they're these amazing women
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SPEAKER_01: and it's like what did they go through i mean look at eve and what she went
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SPEAKER_01: through she had two sons where one killed the other and it's like that seems
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SPEAKER_01: so unfathomable to me right but when we start asking questions
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SPEAKER_01: to really be like okay what did what are they going
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SPEAKER_01: through what might they have thought or felt or
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SPEAKER_01: what are the how did they end up coping with what they went through
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SPEAKER_01: because maybe that's the only way that they knew right yeah i love
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SPEAKER_02: that now i'm doing it yeah i think that that is so true and you know
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SPEAKER_02: as you're talking about it you know
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SPEAKER_02: that is how you know come follow me is now structured right is is you read it and
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SPEAKER_02: then you ask questions and you know you can see you know it it's so interesting to
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SPEAKER_02: here that we we grow up hearing all the time but when you start
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SPEAKER_02: to ask those questions i think that's when it really gets real again yeah if you're
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SPEAKER_02: i think about eve and adam as parents and like you said they have one
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SPEAKER_02: of their sons kill the other the courage
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SPEAKER_02: to have another son seth afterwards can you imagine that decision and
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SPEAKER_02: that conversation between adam and eve
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SPEAKER_02: as parents feeling like well we messed up you know in probably what would feel like
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SPEAKER_02: the worst you could ever mess up as parents right personal agency is a thing but
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SPEAKER_02: that feeling was probably there
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SPEAKER_02: you know perhaps you know god asked them to and saying are we are we ready
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SPEAKER_02: to do this are we willing to do this i can i can only imagine because i'm not
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SPEAKER_02: a mother but it's when you start to really think about the reality
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SPEAKER_02: of these situations that it becomes it becomes real so i like i love that example
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SPEAKER_01: so one of the things that you mentioned in your bio as i read it was you said you're
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SPEAKER_01: a total victim of god's plan being much cooler than your own and and then
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SPEAKER_01: kind of what you just said was like having sex
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SPEAKER_01: could have been something that god asked for them so i'd like to hear more
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SPEAKER_01: about your story now and how you've come to realize
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SPEAKER_02: that god's plan is much cooler okay um this is a good question i think i think it's
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SPEAKER_02: so interesting you know that we're talking about stories
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SPEAKER_02: and this this interaction i think i'm discovering a lot and it is reaffirming to me
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SPEAKER_02: that our stories in life really are based on the divine worth we have and and most
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SPEAKER_02: of all who god sees us as and what obstacles triumphs situations people he puts
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SPEAKER_02: in our life as a personal life plan
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SPEAKER_02: because he sees us he sees our worth he knows each and every one of us and
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SPEAKER_01: the life plan we need and the life plan that is personalized
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SPEAKER_02: to us that's my preface you can cut it out but i think for me
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SPEAKER_02: i'm very humbled because i grew up thinking that my life plan was going
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SPEAKER_02: to be one way i have always loved to laugh i've always been
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SPEAKER_02: a theater nerd like i said i've
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SPEAKER_02: always loved being creative and i have always used that as a shield and as a defense
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SPEAKER_02: as most comedians will will admit to because i think growing up i had a lot
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SPEAKER_02: of amazing people in my life and i had a lot of insecurities and so there was a lot
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SPEAKER_02: of thinking like well i'm not as smart as so and so so i can't be a doctor
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SPEAKER_02: and well right now in high school i'm not as beautiful as my best friend so and so
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SPEAKER_02: and so i'm not gonna be the
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SPEAKER_02: bombshell high school sweetheart i'm gonna be the funny best friend
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SPEAKER_02: and i think i i cast myself in my own story i felt very limited
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SPEAKER_02: on what i could achieve based on my own perception of myself and and so
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SPEAKER_02: because i didn't think in high school that
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SPEAKER_02: If the boys would like me, I thought well i'll just be funny then. Or because
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SPEAKER_02: i didn't think
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SPEAKER_02: i would be a great smart scientist
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SPEAKER_02: i would reserve myself to doing only the arts or
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SPEAKER_02: only things that i felt good at and
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SPEAKER_02: and i restricted myself all
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SPEAKER_02: a lot based on what i thought my capacity was because i think we live in a world
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SPEAKER_02: that really prides on capacity and on excel excelling at things and
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SPEAKER_02: so i almost limited myself to what are the things i'm very good at what are
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SPEAKER_02: the things that come naturally to me and those are my options and so for
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SPEAKER_02: a really long time i thought i was going to be the funny person
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SPEAKER_02: and i thought i was going to be an actor and that was great
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SPEAKER_02: but luckily god had other plans and he he sent me on a mission and i went on
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SPEAKER_02: a mission because i knew it was a it was a good thing to do
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SPEAKER_02: and i loved god i i did love god and i i thought this is going to be great
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SPEAKER_02: and i guess this is really where the story begins is i remember getting so excited
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SPEAKER_02: to go on my mission
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SPEAKER_02: and i was like where am i gonna go we get called
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SPEAKER_02: to florida this is great everyone's like are you disappointed and i was like rude no
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SPEAKER_02: and i get set apart and as i get set apart i i can remember a couple things
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SPEAKER_02: but i really remember one thing that was said to me and it shocked me and
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SPEAKER_02: the words were something along the lines of you need to remember
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SPEAKER_02: that this is not your mission this is the lord's mission
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SPEAKER_02: and i was like rude excuse me what
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SPEAKER_02: how dare you think i think that and i was it took me aback i i was rebuked
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SPEAKER_02: as they say and but it really made me think what does that look like to to go on
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SPEAKER_01: the lord's mission versus my mission and when on my when i went
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SPEAKER_02: on my mission it meant a couple things it meant not for my own strengths but because
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SPEAKER_02: of circumstance i got placed in leadership really early and that meant i couldn't be
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SPEAKER_02: the funniest missionary in the mission
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SPEAKER_01: which was so hard because i'm hilarious and how dare i i was gonna be
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SPEAKER_02: the happy fun times funny missionary right i couldn't i couldn't be
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SPEAKER_02: that missionary it also meant because i was placed
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SPEAKER_02: in leadership very early i couldn't be the perfect missionary i couldn't be
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SPEAKER_02: the best leader because i was not ready for it and i had to ask myself am i willing
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SPEAKER_02: to sacrifice being a perfect missionary to being the lord's missionary
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SPEAKER_02: and very hard wasn't perfect at it but when i did my relationship
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SPEAKER_02: with god completely changed
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SPEAKER_02: because all of a sudden i didn't feel like i was just fighting him and like hoping
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SPEAKER_02: for one thing
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SPEAKER_02: being really scared he was going to say no so kind of ignoring him
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SPEAKER_02: until he said yes you know but it
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SPEAKER_02: allowed me to dialogue with god in a way i never had and be very real with him in a
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SPEAKER_02: way i ever had and the biggest blessing of all was hopefully trying to take that principle
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SPEAKER_02: after my mission right he asked me too
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SPEAKER_02: quit acting major at BYU hardest thing I've ever done I should have harder things
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SPEAKER_02: in my life but it was so hard and it was do I want to be my do I want
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SPEAKER_02: to live my life the way I my perfect life or do I want to live the Lord's life
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SPEAKER_02: and it was really hard but choosing
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SPEAKER_02: to try to live the life god had sent me it kept that relationship and that worth
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SPEAKER_02: that didn't come from me fulfilling circumstance but from me following the lord in
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SPEAKER_02: that relationship and it really just created the result was a sustained happiness
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SPEAKER_02: that came from nowhere else
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SPEAKER_02: this.
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SPEAKER_02: And so it's kind of addictive where I was like, wait, never mind.
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SPEAKER_02: Tell me what to do.
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SPEAKER_02: This is great.
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SPEAKER_02: This is awesome.
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SPEAKER_02: And now we're at the point where God's like, okay, slow down, make your own choices.
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SPEAKER_02: And I'm all, no, but I, you know, but it's been really interesting, especially looking back.
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SPEAKER_02: It's been seven years now since I left on my mission and oh my gosh, how much happier I am.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: I am so glad I didn't move to LA like I wanted to.
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SPEAKER_02: Some people can, it's great for them.
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SPEAKER_02: Would have been not good for me.
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SPEAKER_02: And how many times now I still get to be funny.
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SPEAKER_02: i still get to do acting sometimes i still get to do a lot of these things i wanted
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SPEAKER_02: to do and and now i get to do a lot of cool things
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SPEAKER_02: that i never thought i would go do i'm going to law school holy cow who let me go
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SPEAKER_02: to law school i don't know god i guess i get to work with a lot
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SPEAKER_02: of like international human rights holy cow i didn't know how to do that i get
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SPEAKER_02: to work at an aquarium so fun and so there's so many things that have added on
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SPEAKER_01: and i feel like that is kind of been
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SPEAKER_02: my story and feel free to edit this in whatever way makes sense because
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SPEAKER_02: that was kind of a long spiel but I think to just sum it up like I thought in
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SPEAKER_02: the beginning my story was a I have an idea for my life I need to set a goal I need
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SPEAKER_02: to make a plan I need to fulfill it and that is where my strength lies it's up
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SPEAKER_02: to my own practice my own grit my own hard work it's on me and that's a burden
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SPEAKER_02: and it's very limiting and so then when I let go of that idea
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SPEAKER_02: and gave up being the perfect version of my life to live the lord's life
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SPEAKER_02: for me it lifted a burden it opened up my opportunities
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SPEAKER_02: and it created this relationship with the lord that was so much more assuring
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SPEAKER_02: than self-assurement like it's it's lord assurement not self-assurement right and so
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SPEAKER_02: then it didn't matter if i was having a self-actualized day or not right and
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SPEAKER_02: on my worst days the lord was still there and i could then trust the plan
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SPEAKER_02: of like oh man i have done really bad today at doing anything
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SPEAKER_02: and that's okay because wait god knows me he knows i'm gonna be so bad
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SPEAKER_02: at doing stuff some days and he's still giving me these opportunities and
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SPEAKER_02: so i can trust that it's gonna be okay okay
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SPEAKER_01: so i knew you were gonna have some good one-liners too so so i i'm gonna start with
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SPEAKER_01: the last thing that you said and then probably work my way back
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SPEAKER_01: but first is what you just said it was more self-assurance rather
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SPEAKER_01: than lord assert assurant
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SPEAKER_01: and i think you pretty much just answered like sometimes i'll get the question
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SPEAKER_00: um what's the difference between self-worth and divide more
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SPEAKER_00: and that's pretty much it right there what you were saying
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SPEAKER_01: where it's just like it it's not about really coming from
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SPEAKER_01: within it's actually coming from the lord because that is constant whereas
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SPEAKER_01: that self-worth can change depending on how you view yourself
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SPEAKER_02: yeah because does god want us to love ourselves absolutely he wants us
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SPEAKER_02: to love ourselves so much but i think when i was younger i was really confused a lot
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SPEAKER_02: and i felt a lot of shame because you know there's some sayings like you know
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SPEAKER_02: if you don't love yourself who else is going to love you and the reality is is
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SPEAKER_02: that there are days where i i don't feel like i love myself a lot and then
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SPEAKER_02: i'm like well i don't love myself so nobody else is gonna love me and no like
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SPEAKER_02: if you don't love yourself god still loves you you know and i i think that that was
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SPEAKER_02: so powerful to me of then being able to work to loving myself right and
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SPEAKER_02: and we're still working on it but and it's great but i feel like divine love that is
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SPEAKER_02: the backup plan even when you don't have self-love and that's you're not barred
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SPEAKER_02: from divine love if you don't feel self-actualized or self-assured
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SPEAKER_02: or self-love you know yeah
19:31
SPEAKER_01: okay so the other thing that from your story that i wanted to share was that you had
19:36
SPEAKER_01: to sacrifice sacrifice being the sacrifice being the perfect missionary versus being
19:42
SPEAKER_01: the lord's missionary and i feel that that is just a big key
19:46
SPEAKER_01: to what you are saying um within your story within our lives is we have to let go of
19:52
SPEAKER_01: that idea that we need to do everything exactly right so that
19:56
SPEAKER_01: the lord can actually do his great work within us yeah
20:00
SPEAKER_01: yeah and i think that that is what he's you know we've talked about eve right
20:05
SPEAKER_02: that is what he was asking adam and eve to do and and everybody in the scriptures
20:09
SPEAKER_02: and all of us right are you willing to give up
20:12
SPEAKER_02: this idea of being perfect at first so that you can learn you know
20:16
SPEAKER_02: the things you need to learn to be truly perfect later and perfect in the word
20:20
SPEAKER_02: of like complete you know but it can't like quick perfection is going to be hollow
20:25
SPEAKER_02: and so we have to give up this idea of like only limiting ourselves
20:29
SPEAKER_02: to like temporary perfection because that will be a barrier
20:33
SPEAKER_02: to true eternal perfection later on because we have to learn things along the way
20:38
SPEAKER_02: to get to that end point yeah
20:41
SPEAKER_01: i love that you understand that like where you're at
20:45
SPEAKER_01: in this life like it it takes us a long time to understand and and
20:52
SPEAKER_01: so just there's such power in in knowing that and understanding
20:56
SPEAKER_01: that because it really is through it's through christ that we become perfect and
21:01
SPEAKER_01: that only happens as we are humble enough to accept
21:04
SPEAKER_01: that oh yeah i am making mistakes or life this perfect vision
21:10
SPEAKER_01: of what i think is is what needs to happen i need to let go
21:15
SPEAKER_01: because otherwise i can't let christ in
21:17
SPEAKER_02: yeah i i i really like that
21:20
SPEAKER_02: and i guess somebody should have said this earlier they should have said like i
21:24
SPEAKER_02: don't know let god prevail or something like if only somebody had had told me
21:28
SPEAKER_02: that earlier
21:29
SPEAKER_02: you know it's it's and it's so hard right because like i can talk about it and seem
21:33
SPEAKER_02: so wise now but in the moment you know it's trying to remember it in the moment
21:38
SPEAKER_02: that i think is is the hardest part of it you know yet at
21:41
SPEAKER_01: the same time like right now annie just take a moment and recognize
21:46
SPEAKER_01: that you learned it when you needed to learn it right so all part of
21:50
SPEAKER_01: the plan like heavenly father knows when you're going to be ready
21:53
SPEAKER_01: to hear what you need to hear and he yes maybe you did hear it
21:57
SPEAKER_01: earlier but you weren't ready to actually receive yeah i i love that and it
22:02
SPEAKER_02: and it does go again with this idea that god knows us you know and
22:06
SPEAKER_02: so he knows he's willing to give it give it to us early but he also wants to give it
22:12
SPEAKER_02: to us when it will be most helpful for us as well like i've been thinking
22:17
SPEAKER_02: about this experience i just had so right now i
22:21
SPEAKER_02: run a law fellowship at byu for international religious freedom and human rights
22:25
SPEAKER_02: because why not and it was definitely not something that i sought out but
22:29
SPEAKER_02: a divine opportunity from the lord and as i've been trying
22:32
SPEAKER_02: to figure this out i i work with a lot of fellows
22:36
SPEAKER_02: that i work with and they are amazing and they're like i'm ready to do some work
22:39
SPEAKER_02: but there was a time where i was trying to get everything organized and in
22:42
SPEAKER_02: the moment like i could have told them some of the things i was working on
22:46
SPEAKER_02: but it wouldn't have helped them to do anything because it was you know coordinating
22:51
SPEAKER_02: with people that only i could coordinate with or you know setting some things up
22:55
SPEAKER_02: that only that only
22:57
SPEAKER_02: i could do like through email and so it was kind of hard to find that balance of
23:01
SPEAKER_02: of keeping them in the loop and knowing i was working on things
23:04
SPEAKER_02: but also like saying like oh like you think that talking
23:07
SPEAKER_02: with me like people would start talking with me and they'd get kind of disappointed
23:10
SPEAKER_02: because they would realize i didn't know what was going on and it was kind
23:12
SPEAKER_02: of this idea of like you think that like just
23:14
SPEAKER_02: if i told you everything i knew it would solve all of your problems of like wanting
23:19
SPEAKER_02: to do something but it actually like just because of the timing because of
23:23
SPEAKER_02: the circumstance it's
23:24
SPEAKER_02: was going to be more helpful for them to just wait a couple
23:27
SPEAKER_02: a couple more weeks just wait a little bit longer and
23:30
SPEAKER_01: then i could give you complete information that would then be more helpful to you
23:34
SPEAKER_02: and that might be a very drawn-out metaphor but i think the lord taught me through
23:38
SPEAKER_02: that hey annie because i was ranting to him in the car about about it i was like
23:42
SPEAKER_01: they just i just have a disappointment to them and
23:44
SPEAKER_02: but they have they only do you know and he was like hey annie
23:48
SPEAKER_02: because that's how he talks to me sometimes as a friend
23:50
SPEAKER_02: and he goes hey annie have there been any moments in your life
23:53
SPEAKER_02: where you think talking to me and just getting your answer
23:55
SPEAKER_02: from me is gonna solve everything and gonna help you do everything you need to do
24:00
SPEAKER_02: and then i was like yeah and he's like okay so what are we learning i say okay well
24:06
SPEAKER_02: sometimes when i don't have an answer all the time or it's not hitting me
24:10
SPEAKER_02: if i'm trying to work on one principle like self-worth or divine worth
24:14
SPEAKER_02: it's just not coming sometimes it's just because it's not the right time
24:17
SPEAKER_02: and there will be a time where it is most helpful for god to give us an answer
24:21
SPEAKER_02: or put us in a specific situation and if it's not coming now it's not
24:25
SPEAKER_02: because god's being a meany pants it's because he wants to give us give it to us at
24:31
SPEAKER_02: the most helpful time and in the most helpful way so there's another tangent i'm
24:35
SPEAKER_01: so sorry completely agree
24:38
SPEAKER_01: i'm like so self-conscious no i i think that it's such it's it's a great example of
24:46
SPEAKER_01: a well okay a lot see my mind's going everywhere i have so many things right
24:50
SPEAKER_01: because your example shows exactly what we're talking about where it's like
24:55
SPEAKER_01: the lord will reveal to you when you need it and
24:58
SPEAKER_01: because sometimes we beat ourselves up
25:00
SPEAKER_01: over i i should have listened way back then or i wish i knew that way back then
25:05
SPEAKER_01: or you know and and we get caught up in that
25:09
SPEAKER_01: when really we just weren't ready we just weren't ready and so that is
25:13
SPEAKER_01: a great example and and it's also just a great example of of being open to listening
25:19
SPEAKER_01: to the lord and being like yeah okay i can relate to these people because of it
25:25
SPEAKER_01: which kind of goes back to the first part of this whole discussion
25:29
SPEAKER_02: full circle
25:33
SPEAKER_02: well like yeah like you just wonder like you know if we're you know
25:37
SPEAKER_02: because god does see this whole picture right and so if we're looking at nephi right
25:42
SPEAKER_02: in jerusalem they're killing it right they're pretty well off we think we think you
25:46
SPEAKER_02: know
25:47
SPEAKER_02: but if you're thinking about what nephi's options were
25:50
SPEAKER_02: in jerusalem like best case scenario he's probably gonna be like well we're gonna be
25:54
SPEAKER_02: rich and we're gonna you know maybe i'll be a high priest and everyone's kind
25:58
SPEAKER_02: of wicked but like i can be righteous right great goals right
26:02
SPEAKER_02: and maybe you can use my money to help other people that'd be awesome but
26:06
SPEAKER_02: the lord saw nephi and he said he can be a king he can be a prophet
26:11
SPEAKER_02: he can be somebody that writes an account that will be read by millions of people
26:16
SPEAKER_02: for you know two thousand years later what an incredible vision right but
26:21
SPEAKER_02: that didn't happen in first nephi chapter one you know nephi doesn't even pray
26:25
SPEAKER_02: until first nephi chapter two he doesn't even follow the lord
26:27
SPEAKER_02: until first nephi chapter three
26:29
SPEAKER_02: And he goes through and it takes years of going into the wilderness to get to
26:33
SPEAKER_02: the promised land.
26:34
SPEAKER_02: And like a lot of those experiences probably are the things that allowed him
26:38
SPEAKER_02: To be that prophet, to be that king, to write that record.
26:41
SPEAKER_02: and the lord was willing the lord saw that in nephi he was
26:44
SPEAKER_02: And it's not nephi's fault he's not ready for all those things
26:48
SPEAKER_02: in first nephi chapter one no that's just how life works right that would be weird
26:53
SPEAKER_02: if as a young man he had that wisdom right from the get-go some people do
26:58
SPEAKER_02: but not a lot and so it's interesting because you can see
27:02
SPEAKER_02: the lord opening nephi's life to his plan not the perfect jerusalem life but but
27:07
SPEAKER_02: the lord's the lord's life for nephi and you can see all of the hard things all of
27:11
SPEAKER_02: the heartache all of the murder attempts right that you know sleeping in sleeping in
27:16
SPEAKER_02: a tent in the wilderness next to somebody that's tried to kill you
27:19
SPEAKER_02: right being on a boat that you built you don't know how to build a boat you're in
27:23
SPEAKER_02: the ocean you could drown at any time and your siblings are dancing in
27:26
SPEAKER_02: a weird way you know like it's they're making merry and so it's just so interesting
27:31
SPEAKER_02: because there's very real hard things that have to happen
27:35
SPEAKER_02: not only for you to like for you to be ready
27:38
SPEAKER_02: to accept those like amazing opportunities that the board sees you can have
27:43
SPEAKER_02: but he also needs to get you ready to be able to accept those things you know
27:46
SPEAKER_01: so i am really curious how you went from i mean i know part of it was your mission
27:52
SPEAKER_01: and and this and that but you went from theater major
27:55
SPEAKER_01: to law school international human rights like what can you tell
28:00
SPEAKER_01: that story oh my goodness
28:02
SPEAKER_02: see but i'm just gonna talk for a lot longer my goodness okay this is
28:06
SPEAKER_01: a great question lots of us are wondering sometimes me so yeah so so
28:11
SPEAKER_02: before my mission i was gonna be an actor or an actress i was gonna go
28:15
SPEAKER_02: on my mission i was gonna graduate from byu in the acting program get an agent
28:20
SPEAKER_02: and move to la be awesome last last tick on the box and i went
28:24
SPEAKER_02: on my mission life-changing
28:26
SPEAKER_02: built this relationship with the lord amazing amazing experiences to where at
28:32
SPEAKER_02: the end the lord could ask me the question he couldn't ask me to form a mission
28:36
SPEAKER_02: which is will you will you quit acting at least for right now and it took it took a
28:41
SPEAKER_02: a lot of promptings and it took a lot of very clear direction from the lord
28:46
SPEAKER_02: until there there did come another moment just at the end of my mission where it was
28:51
SPEAKER_02: a question of do you want to keep this relationship that we that we've built or
28:56
SPEAKER_02: if you follow your path you are gonna lose this relationship that we have
29:00
SPEAKER_02: and it's and it's not because you know acting is evil i have lots of friends
29:04
SPEAKER_02: that can do both and have and have both that relationship with god and
29:08
SPEAKER_02: and can do all of the things but for me the lord also saw you know as much
29:12
SPEAKER_02: as he saw my my potential in other ways he saw that this this could really hurt me
29:17
SPEAKER_02: and so he asked me to to quit acting and
29:20
SPEAKER_02: i did very hard so i came home and i said okay you told me what not to do
29:25
SPEAKER_02: so you are gonna tell me what to do with my life and he said good try yeah no
29:30
SPEAKER_02: and he did not give me that answer like we talked about for a really long time
29:34
SPEAKER_02: and i came back and so
29:35
SPEAKER_02: and that meant that a lot of my friends either were all in acting
29:39
SPEAKER_02: and it made me really sad to hang out with them or they were all on their missions
29:42
SPEAKER_02: and I felt really lonely so I just tried different things and I tried I plucked
29:49
SPEAKER_02: a major
29:50
SPEAKER_02: my mtc teacher was a biblical studies major so i started studying that
29:56
SPEAKER_02: and did not feel like that was the right time it felt weird i loved it
30:00
SPEAKER_02: but it didn't feel right so i i got some minors in hebrew instead i have a minor in
30:05
SPEAKER_02: a minor in modern hebrew and then there was a semester i took every 200 class level
30:11
SPEAKER_02: under the sun i took international politics and psychology and
30:17
SPEAKER_02: then i realized psychology was science i took anthropology and i
30:20
SPEAKER_02: like every 201 level class under the sun i will tell you this now i think i have
30:24
SPEAKER_02: record for byu credits i graduated byu 209 credits which is insane and
30:31
SPEAKER_02: that was because for a lot of it it was me just being like i gotta walk
31:00
SPEAKER_02: graduated from byu with an advertising degree and my older sister who's amazing
31:04
SPEAKER_02: and i feel slightly competitive with graduated from byu in advertising and
31:08
SPEAKER_02: so there's two things i promised i would never do in life it was to go
31:11
SPEAKER_02: to byu do advertising we already gave up on the first one when god told me to go
31:15
SPEAKER_02: to byu so we were holding to that second one but i took the class and i sat in
31:19
SPEAKER_01: the class and i felt the spirit say this is the class this is the major
31:25
SPEAKER_02: and i said great this can help me be creative because in
31:27
SPEAKER_02: the meantime i've been trying other things i started doing comedy and was on
31:31
SPEAKER_02: a group called byu divine comedy it was
31:33
SPEAKER_02: a sketch comedy group i started doing improv comedy
31:35
SPEAKER_02: at this place called comedy sports and so i was like i get to be creative
31:39
SPEAKER_02: and i started doing these classes and then i went on i got
31:43
SPEAKER_02: to visit israel actually incredible trip wild trip that i shouldn't have been able
31:47
SPEAKER_02: to go on but through lots of cool means i was able to
31:49
SPEAKER_02: and i was sitting on mount what they thought was mount cyanide
31:52
SPEAKER_02: and i was really stressed about being in the creative track of advertising
31:56
SPEAKER_02: and god said nope you're not doing that and i said what and he said you need
31:59
SPEAKER_02: to focus on strategy and i said okay and so i went back and i i was in
32:04
SPEAKER_02: the strategy track
32:05
SPEAKER_02: and through that i i learned a lot about communication and storytelling
32:09
SPEAKER_02: and advertising and in this sounds so weird because
32:13
SPEAKER_02: in some ways i'm like advertising's insane they're all just trying to sell us stuff
32:17
SPEAKER_02: but if you really think about the divine principle
32:19
SPEAKER_02: of advertising it's taking something you feel is important and learning how
32:23
SPEAKER_02: to help other people see the importance in that and some people use it
32:25
SPEAKER_02: to sell things but i got to use it to educate people i did a lot of
32:30
SPEAKER_02: work with the lisa show on byu radio and all of
32:33
SPEAKER_02: a sudden it wasn't like how do you sell
32:34
SPEAKER_02: a product it was oh my gosh there's this cool interview
32:38
SPEAKER_01: with this olympian how do i help people know that this can help them in their lives
32:42
SPEAKER_02: and then all of a sudden i
32:45
SPEAKER_02: so i was doing that i was very happy doing things like that
32:47
SPEAKER_02: and i was doing social media and i thought that's what i was gonna do
32:50
SPEAKER_02: with my life right we got it all figured out finally and i found
32:54
SPEAKER_02: a social media account and it was called religious freedom for all and i looked
32:58
SPEAKER_02: at it i was like oh this is pretty cool i like religious freedom like i study hebrew
33:02
SPEAKER_02: i i like i love interfaith stuff but their social media is kind
33:05
SPEAKER_02: of it could use some help and i've never done this to this day but i i messaged them
33:10
SPEAKER_02: and in the time at the time i was living in washington dc and i said hey
33:13
SPEAKER_02: do you need any help with your social media like i do this for my job
33:17
SPEAKER_02: if you need any help let me know and they messaged back
33:18
SPEAKER_02: and they're like we would love that and it's not on the account but it was
33:22
SPEAKER_02: an account from byu and byu law school and it was working
33:25
SPEAKER_02: with international religious freedom and i started working with them in
33:29
SPEAKER_02: a social media aspect and i still do but then it started
33:32
SPEAKER_02: to really become this is really important and i gotta meet a lot of people that
33:38
SPEAKER_02: have divine worth throughout the world and because
33:41
SPEAKER_02: of their circumstance they they they don't know that have that divine worth
33:47
SPEAKER_02: in many aspects right there's a spiritual aspect but there's also like you know
33:51
SPEAKER_02: because you have that divine worth you should be able to
33:55
SPEAKER_02: choose what you believe right god's plan plan of salvation and that is part of
33:58
SPEAKER_02: you being a human soul on this earth and so i really started falling in love with
34:02
SPEAKER_02: this and meeting their stories again i'm a storyteller
34:05
SPEAKER_02: and and so finally it kind of got to the point where i started getting more
34:08
SPEAKER_02: entrenched in it and then i decided well i was praying
34:13
SPEAKER_02: and god is a place that you can help
34:17
SPEAKER_02: i we haven't done that last half like we're trying right now i'm applying
34:19
SPEAKER_02: to law school it's going horribly i'm very mediocre but we're trying to follow
34:23
SPEAKER_02: that path and that's kind of where we're at right now but right now i get to work
34:27
SPEAKER_02: so i started out doing social media but now i like run this fellowship and i i get
34:31
SPEAKER_02: to work with a lot of different human rights type things and religious freedom as
34:35
SPEAKER_01: a human right in a lot of different spheres
34:37
SPEAKER_02: so i told you this story is gonna be long it is really long take whatever metaphor
34:41
SPEAKER_02: or principle that you can from that or cut the whole thing i don't you
34:45
SPEAKER_01: and andy what i love about this entire conversation is it's like trust in
34:50
SPEAKER_01: the lord well part
34:51
SPEAKER_01: of it was see your worth see others is worth see your own worth trust the lord and
34:57
SPEAKER_01: then it's kind of i think
35:00
SPEAKER_01: the lord does this to us is he really stresses trust me trust me trust me and
35:05
SPEAKER_01: then what happens is once we're like trusting him he says okay now you figure out
35:09
SPEAKER_01: the next step and he doesn't leave us like he's still there and you'll
35:14
SPEAKER_01: still receive guidance but at the same time he starts to get us
35:19
SPEAKER_01: to trust ourselves too and then it starts to be kind of a back and forth
35:22
SPEAKER_01: but it's like it's kind of this process that he he takes us through and and
35:27
SPEAKER_01: that story just shows that whole process
35:31
SPEAKER_02: yeah and it's very messy like i don't know i think because i think if you met me
35:36
SPEAKER_02: and got the social media version of me it'd be like wow she's
35:40
SPEAKER_02: a comedian she is going to law school she has never you know she she has
35:46
SPEAKER_02: a testimony she has never struggled with anything in her life right
35:50
SPEAKER_02: and like even just the law school thing it's like no like i
35:53
SPEAKER_02: cry almost daily because i've applied to law schools and i haven't heard back
35:58
SPEAKER_02: and you know like you just don't see the others you know
36:01
SPEAKER_02: or like oh yeah like she she has two minors in hebrew wow i don't know if people say
36:06
SPEAKER_02: that i say that that's my fantasy is that people are like wow but
36:09
SPEAKER_02: then you don't see me going to all these hebrew classes and me being objectively
36:14
SPEAKER_02: the worst person in all of these classes and needing like personalized tutoring
36:18
SPEAKER_02: so i don't fit
36:20
SPEAKER_02: you know and so i think it's so easy to just see the see the cool results and
36:24
SPEAKER_02: and not see the struggle and i think that that is like that idea of trust is
36:28
SPEAKER_02: so important because like this is sorry this is a this is a separate thought
36:32
SPEAKER_02: so you can put a period on that thought
36:35
SPEAKER_02: you taught me something about trust and i just wanted to say it in case i need to
36:39
SPEAKER_02: but you know we talked about self-love and divine love
36:42
SPEAKER_02: and i think what god taught me through this conversation is he all he just
36:46
SPEAKER_02: as he wants us to love ourselves he wants us to trust ourselves and build self-trust
36:50
SPEAKER_02: but in the moments where it's really hard
36:52
SPEAKER_02: to trust ourselves there is always divine trust and he is always going to trust us
36:57
SPEAKER_02: and and he is going to we have him to trust even
37:00
SPEAKER_02: when we don't have we can't trust ourselves so like i really love this idea
37:04
SPEAKER_02: of like self-love divine love self-trust divine trust you know such good point oh
37:09
SPEAKER_01: that's so good okay annie with
37:12
SPEAKER_01: that what what is your favorite divine worth scripture oh there's so many
37:16
SPEAKER_02: you know i think it has changed in this conversation as of right now i i reserve
37:21
SPEAKER_02: the right to change my favorite scripture at any point in time and i do so on like
37:25
SPEAKER_02: a 30 minute basis and i think there's so many good ones right like i love romans 8
37:30
SPEAKER_02: who can separate us from the love of god but the one that i'm thinking and
37:34
SPEAKER_02: that this conversation is really calling to me hebrews chapter 12 verse 2
37:38
SPEAKER_02: and this is the english standard version for clarity because my brain
37:42
SPEAKER_02: but you can also look it up in the kjv if you want
37:44
SPEAKER_02: but this is just what it says looking to jesus wait no i do want the kjv
37:48
SPEAKER_02: because it has good words sorry right as always but that to make it look like i know
37:53
SPEAKER_02: or you can keep it in
37:54
SPEAKER_02: to show annie sometimes doesn't this is what it is king james does matter in this
37:58
SPEAKER_02: in this verse because of the wording looking unto jesus the author and finisher
38:04
SPEAKER_02: of our faith who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross despising
38:08
SPEAKER_02: the shame and is set down at the right hand of the throne of god
38:11
SPEAKER_02: and i think just this the term author and finisher of our faith really i think
38:17
SPEAKER_02: was apparent to me upon reflection as we're talking today. We're talking about stories,
38:24
SPEAKER_02: how everyone has a story and through Jesus Christ and through God and their ability to see us
38:29
SPEAKER_02: and their power they love us enough to be the author of our stories and the finisher
38:35
SPEAKER_02: of our stores because in the beginning we might set out and think it has one ending like me but
38:41
SPEAKER_02: they have the power to write the perfect ending
38:45
SPEAKER_01: for our stories and to get us to that perfect ending albeit through a lot of mess
38:51
SPEAKER_01: and and i think that that principle of them being the author and finisher
38:55
SPEAKER_02: of her faith because they see our divine worth every good story has a lot
38:59
SPEAKER_01: of mess too right it's not easy but it's part of the story or else it wouldn't be
39:04
SPEAKER_01: a story right yeah okay what is one small and simple thing
39:08
SPEAKER_01: that those listening can do to embrace their divine worth okay
39:13
SPEAKER_02: Okay, I'm sure you get lots of great ideas.
39:16
SPEAKER_02: And so I would say, if you're listening to this podcast frequently, do those ones a lot.
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SPEAKER_02: But if I was thinking about maybe some things that I feel strongly about
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SPEAKER_02: that I feel have changed my relationship with God in a way that's positive.
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SPEAKER_02: and the first is just like talking to god through prayer but i think my relationship
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SPEAKER_02: with god changed when the way i talked to him changed and when i stopped talking
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SPEAKER_02: to him like this otherworldly being just watching
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SPEAKER_02: and maybe sometimes listening like i talked to him like that for a really long time
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SPEAKER_02: of like i don't know like you know like and i don't want to be disrespectful
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SPEAKER_02: because he is all powerful and all-knowing
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SPEAKER_02: but he also is our father and he is our friend and so or he is my friend if you want
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SPEAKER_02: to be friends with him i'm sure he would love to and so i i take time
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SPEAKER_02: and i have time for very respectful prayer but i also have time for friend prayer
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SPEAKER_02: and for father prayer where i try to talk to him like i would a friend or a father
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SPEAKER_02: and because i think a lot of times i want to impress god so much because i love him
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SPEAKER_02: so much that i hold back the ugly parts of myself because i want to impress him and
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SPEAKER_02: that is not helpful in a relationship with somebody
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SPEAKER_02: and so i've learned to communicate that so for i'll give you
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SPEAKER_02: an example i mean you heard i talked a little bit about praying a little bit earlier
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SPEAKER_02: in the car so i think finding a place where you can do this is is important but
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SPEAKER_02: for me it's the car or the temple parking lot at 12 a.m no sooner
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SPEAKER_02: and saying things like
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SPEAKER_02: hey i don't want to whine because this is a whiny thought
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SPEAKER_02: and i desperately don't want to murmur because i know that's bad but i also want
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SPEAKER_02: to be really honest with how i feel about this blah blah blah
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SPEAKER_02: or saying things like hey i know that you answered this question a couple weeks ago
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SPEAKER_02: and i know you put this person in my life and i know you did this and this and this
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SPEAKER_02: and so i know that this shouldn't be a hard thing for me anymore
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SPEAKER_02: but oh my gosh i still i still feel so scared about law school right
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SPEAKER_02: and i know you've i know you've confirmed to me every time i pray about it that it's
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SPEAKER_02: the right thing it's still really hard for me so i think just even communicating
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SPEAKER_02: that helps me talk to god as a friend and it helps me share my my thoughts
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SPEAKER_02: that i don't want to share with him like i tell him i don't want to tell you this
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SPEAKER_02: because it's going to make me sound bad and i want you to like me
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SPEAKER_02: you know and and and saying things like that has really changed the way i pray
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SPEAKER_02: so that's a silly thing you don't like it don't do it but if you do you should and
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SPEAKER_02: and then i i guess i'll just throw this out here too because
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SPEAKER_02: the most recent really good experience i had learning about my divine worth was
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SPEAKER_02: a month ago or a couple months ago because i had read a random talk
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SPEAKER_01: by gary e stevenson and it's a really good talk
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SPEAKER_02: and he gives this very interesting invitation at the end that kind of doesn't have
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SPEAKER_02: to do a ton with his talk and i thought it was so weird at the time and and this is
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SPEAKER_02: and so he talks all about the spirit and all about spiritual gifts and
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SPEAKER_02: then this is what his invitation is i'm
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SPEAKER_02: so sorry elder stevenson i think this is weird and random
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SPEAKER_02: He says, I close with an invitation. Many of you start your day by standing in front
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SPEAKER_02: of a mirror. Tomorrow? This week? This year? Always. Pause as you look at yourself
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SPEAKER_02: in the mirror. Think to yourself or say aloud if you like
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SPEAKER_02: Wow! Look at me. I am awesome. I'm a child of God
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SPEAKER_02: He knows me. He loves me
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SPEAKER_02: I'm gifted. Gifted with the Holy Ghost is my constant companion
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SPEAKER_02: i am not an affirmation person and in fact like
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SPEAKER_02: on my mission all my mission companions were like you should do affirmations
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SPEAKER_02: and i was like no and so like not my comfort zone but and this talk was given in
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SPEAKER_02: october 2023 and i did it last november so it took two years for me to like get
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SPEAKER_02: over myself and do this invitation that i was always standing out to me
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SPEAKER_02: and i did it i printed out that blurb i i didn't have it memorized
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SPEAKER_02: and i still don't i don't think but i printed it out i put it on my mirror
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SPEAKER_02: and i made myself do it for a couple of weeks and i guess he's an inspired servant
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SPEAKER_02: of the lord or something like that because
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SPEAKER_02: it was so weird and i can't even explain why it changed the way i saw myself as
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SPEAKER_02: a daughter of god as a child of god it made me feel like i was awesome that i had
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SPEAKER_02: the holy ghost as my constant companion and i need i needed that
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SPEAKER_02: because it was right when i started my law school applications and it was right
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SPEAKER_01: when i got put in charge of this fellowship and i got asked to do a lot of things
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SPEAKER_01: that i was feeling really scared to do
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SPEAKER_02: and so again if you don't want to do that one not your cup of tea you don't have
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SPEAKER_02: to it's you know the really important things prayer scripture things like
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SPEAKER_02: that do them but if you need like a way to break your cycle of
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SPEAKER_02: of maybe self-distrust or self you're struggling with self-love or self-trust
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SPEAKER_02: or divine love or divine trust like that was one way that i like was able
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SPEAKER_02: to break some thought patterns of mine and connect to the lord and
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SPEAKER_01: and feel my divine worth a little bit more fully so i'll just throw
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SPEAKER_01: that one out there that's great
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SPEAKER_01: i love that and i thank you for sharing your personal experience with
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SPEAKER_01: that too that's something that we can all learn from
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SPEAKER_01: Annie this has been wonderful talking with you I just have one last question and
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SPEAKER_01: that is how can those listening connect with you that is
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SPEAKER_02: a good question I have I have an Instagram and it's it's Ogden underscore Annie
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SPEAKER_02: so Ogden like the city underscore Annie like the movies
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SPEAKER_02: and that's like my personal Instagram and then I am running a Instagram account
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SPEAKER_01: about religious freedom it's called religious freedom for all
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SPEAKER_02: you're welcome to write to to look at that and oh i don't want to say this
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SPEAKER_02: but i'm going to i actually the reason i did that challenge is because i wanted
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SPEAKER_02: to record my experience doing it and i'm in the i'm in the process of editing
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SPEAKER_02: a little video about it and so i am going
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SPEAKER_02: to post it on the youtube and i'm really scared to do so so if you don't want
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SPEAKER_02: to watch it you don't have to haha but if but i'm gonna say that
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SPEAKER_02: because i do feel like it has to you can it has to do a lot with divine worth
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SPEAKER_02: and maybe it helps somebody out there and so
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SPEAKER_02: that youtube channel is called hallelujah so it's h-a-l-l-e-i-e-a-h so
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SPEAKER_01: because it's like hallelujah but then like yeah
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SPEAKER_02: so you can look at those things or if you've listened to this podcast and never want
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SPEAKER_02: to see me again that's okay too i i understand so well thank you
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SPEAKER_01: so much it has been wonderful talking with you
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SPEAKER_01: and i really appreciate you sharing your story thanks for putting up
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SPEAKER_02: with me i i feel like i learned a lot from this conversation as well
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SPEAKER_02: so i'm really grateful
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SPEAKER_02: i probably got more out of it than you did so i'm really grateful for that and
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SPEAKER_02: for being able to be taught through through this
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SPEAKER_01: so this this was awesome really it it was a thought-provoking conversation
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SPEAKER_01: and just awesome and it's it reminds me of that scripture and doctrine covenants
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SPEAKER_01: where it says and this is total totally paraphrasing but it says that both
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SPEAKER_01: the learner and the teacher are edified when the spirit is present and so
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SPEAKER_02: that i feel that yeah well anything that that's like
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SPEAKER_02: through weird lord happenstance i've gotten to to do a couple of podcasts lately
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SPEAKER_02: and like it's one of those things where i'm like no like people like i'm 27
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SPEAKER_02: and people should not be taking advice from me and i i think i've learned that it's
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SPEAKER_02: a way to celebrate the experiences that god has somehow given me and it's a way
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SPEAKER_02: for me to remember them and not discount them and so i'm really grateful for
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SPEAKER_02: the opportunity and thank you for putting up with me and feel free to cut the sorry
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SPEAKER_01: awesome and and just to throw that out there for anyone who wants to she was on
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SPEAKER_01: the dense of my armor podcast which i've mentioned on this podcast and jenny
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SPEAKER_01: and leave have both been on it as well and so just check that out as well
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SPEAKER_01: because it's a really great conversation there too so great thank you thank you
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SPEAKER_02: so much thank you listeners you're awesome don't forget it self-love divine love
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SPEAKER_02: self-trust divine trust amen
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