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The Captain Of Security Operations At MCC And His OIG Deposition (Part 8) (6/1/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where he left off with the unnamed Securities Captain and
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  his interview with the OIJ inspectors. Question now, what time
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  was their shift? Was it for to midnight? Answer? Who?
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  Question the people we were just talking about the evening
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  watch Answer yeah, for to midnight? Question so four pm
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  to midnight. At that point, if it was recognized that
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  there was no cell mate and he needed a cell mate,
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  could have if they did contact the OPPS lieutenant OPPS
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  Lieutenant did contact you? Could have an inmate been assigned
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  at that time? Or would they have to wait until
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  the next day? Answer? Well, what I would have done
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  if I would have known right then and there that
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  he didn't have a cell mate, He's already an attorney's visiting,
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  right question YEP answer, So I would have went on ahead,
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  all right, keep him an attorney visiting. I would have
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  called Guess who I would have called. I would have
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  called the a misredacted, well misredacted, and I would have
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  called the warden. I would have said, hey, look this
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  guy went out the WAB today where Reyes didn't come
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  back from court, we got to vet another one. That's
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  what would happen. And plus I was there at eight.
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  So let's say he got released from attorney visiting and
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  he didn't go back, and when they went to the
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  let's say, hey, this dude, he don't have a cell mate.
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  I would have been like, hold up. I would have said,
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  because I got R and D staff down there, right,
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  Because I can't put him on suicide watch. I can't
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  put him on close supervision. So I would have said, hey,
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  quarter this guy right now in R and D. Put
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  a staff member on it, which would have been Fox one.
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  Put him on Fox one. Put a staff member down there.
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  Let me call the warden. Question what does Fox one mean? Answer?
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  That means R and D. That's the cell assignment. I
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  believe it would have been Fox one. Just I can't
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  just put him on suicide watch. Question right, and then
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  Fox one people monitor at all times. Answer no, but
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  I would have had somebody monitor. I would have hey,
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  put a staff member down there and watch this guy
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  until we get him a cell mat question. Okay, and
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  you think that that same day, August ninth, he would
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  have had a cell mate if he were made aware.
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  Answer yeah, if I was made aware, he would have
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  got a cell mate. Question. Okay, Now, let's go back
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  and say, if Redacted did know and didn't tell anybody,
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  he didn't tell you. He didn't tell redacted? Is he
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  the one he gets cut off by the captain or
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  the guard he dropped the ball? Question? Right answer? Because again,
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  like I told you about count and you made a
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  good statement, then how did you clear the count? Question?
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  So the two people that if so Redacted knew and
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  he didn't tell anybody that he dropped the ball. But
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  at the same time, if the four pm count was conducted,
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  they would have then raised the issue with redacted, So
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  there would have been two checks. Right answer, right question,
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  and if not, it would also have happened at the
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  ten pm count as well. Answer right question. So if
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  the four pm count the ten pm count were both conducted,
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  there would have been notice, hey, no cell mate, bring
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  it up to redacted. Answer correct question. All right. So
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  if redacted didn't know, Redacted didn't tell him, So Redacted
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  dropped the ball, the shoe staff dropped the ball, it
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  looks like answer okay, question all right. So well, before
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  we move on from that, do you want to talk
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  about anything specific to that notion. Answer, no question, okay, answer,
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  Can we take a break? Question? Absolutely? All right, it's
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  currently eleven to fifty eight pm. This is Senior special
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  Agent redacted and on pausing the recording. Question. Okay, the
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  recorder is on. It's currently Tuesday, June fifteenth, twenty twenty one,
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  at twelve oh six pm. We just took a short
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  eight minute break, and mister redacted, I remind you that's
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  you're under oath. Thank you very much for your cooperation
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  with this matter. And it is voluntary, and you can
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  choose not to answer or leave at any time. And look,
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  I have to interject here, how in the hell is
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  this voluntary? All these people played a part in what happened.
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  None of it should be voluntary. Remember it's your tax
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  dollars that are paying these people's salaries. Question, all right,
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  So what we were talking about before, Before we move on,
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  I just want to go back to so he said,
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  if Redacted knew he dropped the ball, If the shoe
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  staff didn't do their accounts at four pm and at
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  ten pm, that's when they would have next found out
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  that Epstein was without a cell mate, and they would
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  have then reported it up correct. What did we want
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  to follow up with that? The other investigator jumps in.
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  If a notification came from court that Reyes wasn't coming back,
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  who would have gotten that notification? Answered? The notification would
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  have come through R and D and through the control center,
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  which the control center would have updated the count and
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  sentry to reflect if the inmate was physically in the
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  institution or was still out in court. So it would
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  be contingent to look at the century roster, which would
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  be the E one that the control center had created
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  for those counts to find out if Reus was still
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  on the count as physically being in the institution or
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  out at court. Question Okay, and a FI and D
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  in control did get the notification? Did they have to
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  notify the shoe? Answer yes, because the count would be off.
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  Question If let's just say that notification came between one
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  pm and three pm, who and shoe would have got
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  the notification? Answer the OIC which have been for day watch,
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  It would have been either redacted or redacted. Question and
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  what should they have done? Answer? And with that one
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  time they would have reflected on inside of century and
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  also they would have known that the inmate was not
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  physically there, and they would have had notified the operations
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  lieutenant that this guy didn't come back. So that means
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  somebody would have had to make sure that the institutional
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  count was right or wrong. So in this instance, if
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  redacted knew, who would have been the one that would
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  have informed them? Answer that would have been that would
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  have been either redacted or redacted would have notified them.
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  But then I also said that redacted worked in the
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  capacity of OIC because a lot of those officers would say, oh,
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  I don't have the ability to log on into the program,
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  so he would do double duties. Question. Okay, so let's
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  say that the Shoe staff that time did notify redacted.
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  Let's say redacted now didn't take any action. Okay. Now
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  let's say that the next Shoe staff comes on board,
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  should they continue to report the matter up the chain? Answer? Yeah,
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  question even though the Shoe that replaced them already made
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  the notification that Epstein was without a cell mate and
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  needed a new one. Answer because their count would have
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  been off, and then they wouldn't have known that, you know,
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  when they brought him back from attorney visiting that the
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  cell was empty. Question right, and I'm not specifically talking
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  about the count right now, what I'm saying is like,
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  if the Shoe did notify redacted, Hey, Epstein is required
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  to have a cell mate, and his cell mate's gone,
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  we need to get him a new one. Redacted now
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  never takes any action. Should the Shoe later that day
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  made the same notification to in this case to redact it?
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  Hey Epstein still hasn't been reassigned to cell mate. Okay,
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  So the Shoe may have done it right at day
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  watch and redacted got the notification, But the Shoe on
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  night watch he gets interrupted by the guard. Didn't do it. Question,
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  didn't do it? And they should have answer because he
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  was in attorney visiting. So they said, oh, it was
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  an empty cell We said, okay, yeah, Epstein is still
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  in attorney visiting. Nobody would have cared about the celly
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  thing because they would have thought that he was still
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  out of court. But if he didn't come back by
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  eight that night, somebody should have said something. Question. Now,
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  let's go even further from now, we go from evening
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  watch to now morning watch. We're on August tenth, where
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  Noel and Thomas are now in there. Should have they
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  made the notification to redacted. Answer, They wouldn't have known.
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  Question all right, so they should have he gets cut
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  off by the guard redacted. They would have been in
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  the same unit with the assumption that all the inmates
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  have been accounted for by the previous shifts because the
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  count didn't go wasn't bad question? So that's twelve am
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  and three am and five am? Answer correct. Question. Are
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  you saying they don't really need to do those counts? Answer? No, No,
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  I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is they would
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  not have known that the inmate didn't come back from court.
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  If he wasn't addressed on either day watch or evening watch,
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  they wouldn't know. They would just can't be responsible for
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  counting what inmates was housed in that unit between the
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  hours of twelve to five because those are the three counts. Question.
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  So yeah, let's see, those are the counts. Let's look,
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  all right, So I got it, looks like we got
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  the five to ten, the midnight, the three am, and
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  the five am, and then is this the rounds? Answer? Yeah,
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  that's the control question. The control answer. Yeah, we don't
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  want this. I'll take this question. Okay, So here are
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  the counts from August ninth, from four pm through August
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  tenth through five am. Now we have reason to believe
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  that the four pm, the ten pm, the twelve am,
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  the three am, and the five pm none of those
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  were conducted. Answer okay, So you're saying that the four
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  pm count for August ninth was not done and the
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  ten pm wasn't done. Answer, and the ten, nor was
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  the twelve, the three or the five? Now is there
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  a way to look at that if there is someone,
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  let's say, because at twelve you'll notice there is a discrepancy,
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  there is one inmate they're off by control says, hey,
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  you're off by one. Is there a way to kind
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  of look at these counts and notice, all right, this
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  would have been picked up on them, or a way
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  or to kind of tell that these weren't conducted by
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  just looking at the documents or noticing, if you know,
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  if Reyes is gone by one point fifty, he's released.
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  Is there a way to tell that on here? Answer?
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  Because I got it right here? Question okay? Answer, this
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  is the form right there. This will tell you who
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  inmates are out of count. And that's from small He
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  was one of the receiving and discharging employees that was
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  probably working on August ninth, so she would know who
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  was still at the count. So that means Operations lieutenant
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  didn't even sign it. That's a violation question. So this
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  document that you're looking at, it looks like what is
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  it like the third page on there? Answer? Yeah, that
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  would have been because you've got right here Clark on
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  assigned work assignments. So this Clark this saying he's out
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  of court. So now our count is minus one, but
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  we know where he is because he's still out of court.
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  So reyes that count. So if he went to court,
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  let's say he was at eighty eight. Let's just say
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  when he went out to court him and Clark went out,
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  we would have went down to eighty six. But guess what,
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  Reyes drops off the count? How he got released? Question?
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  So if he was released, he gets cut off by
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  the guard. Form that should have come from the marshals
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  back to us saying that he got released. Question. So
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  between ten am count and four pm count, would there
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  have been a form in there showing that he was released? Answer?
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  There should have been question? Okay, answer that should have
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  been generated from the marshals because it's a transfer order
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  you heard of a transfer order. Every time an innimate
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  goes off. You've got ten that went out to court
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  that day. That's the transfer order. Whatever the disposition of
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  those inmates are, Okay, boom to count a coming back. Okay,
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  there are were the other two guys. Okay, I got
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  this guy that's still out of counted and he's at court.
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  He's still at whatever at this time frame, where's reyis?
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  There should have been a transfer receipt signed by the marshals,
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  by the staff that was at the New York Court
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  over there, the people that handle the inmates. That transfer
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  order should have been sent back with whoever was transporting
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  the inmates and brought back to the institution to say
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  that this guy never came back. Question. So that third
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  page that you're saying though, that was a violation that
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  the operations lieutenant didn't sign. Answer right? Question? Would that
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  have been redacted or redacted at the time? Question? Because
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  all of this stuff, it's called the thirty day file.
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  So what the lieutenants are supposed to do on their
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  shift is supposed to when they make rounds in control,
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  they're supposed to because they're supposed to take account on
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  every shift, especially in the off hours. So before Epstein,
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  that was a responsibility. On the off hours, you'll be
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  responsible for taking the count, so that evening watch guy
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  would take the ten pm count, right, or somebody would
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  take the four pm count. So the Operations lieutenant or
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  the activities would normally go down and take the four
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  They would go through the paperwork for the day up
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  to four, and you would sign all the forms, like
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  if somebody checked out keys restricted key forms, Operations is
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  supposed to sign it. If a transfer order receipt comes back,
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  you're supposed to sign it. Whatever happens on that shift,
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  you're supposed to sign the count slips that form right
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  here that should have been signed by the lieutenant. Question. Okay,
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  so these forms that we're looking at at four pm,
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  there's a number of signatures that are missing. Answer, yeah,
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  question and should that have been the lieutenant as in
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  it looks like redacted answer official appearing count official taking count?
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  Those are going to be so the person that was
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  taking count would have been the OIC. Then the person
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  was actually was there was a lieutenant that was taking
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  the count. Normally he would sign and read. Question. Now
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  the lieutenant when you say they're there aren't they in
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  the control center? Answer? They're in the control center question?
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  And then the shoe calls. Okay, so the Shoe calls
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  and says, we got count seventy two, seventy three, seventy four,
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  whatever it is. And in this case, when you look
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  at the four PM, you're seeing that there was no
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  lieutenant that signed off on that answer. No question, So
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  on the first page as well as the third page
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  was there they should have signed answer right, question all right?
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  And then he gets cut off by the guard. Yeah,
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  because I got Look, I got a signature for this
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  one that was approved by the operations lieutenant right here.
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  Question and who was that answer? I don't know whose
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  signature that is? Question? All right? It looks like redacted
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  would have been on duty? Is that the time? Answer?
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  That's going to be four pm? Whoever took the four
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  pm that lieutenant would have been redacted? All right, folks,
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  We're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next
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  episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where
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