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Credlin | 26 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter krandlerd Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Let's have a look
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Speaker 2: at what's coming up tonight, pending, of course, a crazy
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Speaker 2: press conference from Donald Trump. Again a win for common sense.
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Speaker 2: A council worker sack from objecting to an acknowledgment of
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Speaker 2: country when tis unfair dismissal case it's the right call.
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Speaker 2: But goodness me, how did he get to this? Never
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Speaker 2: want to pass up a bit of flattery. The Trump
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Speaker 2: administration's really leaning into the whole daddy Trump label following
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Speaker 2: those meetings at NATO. Now his critics might cringe, but
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Speaker 2: on any assessment, it's been a cracker of a week
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Speaker 2: for the President, perhaps his biggest yet. We'll have some
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Speaker 2: analysis in a moment from a former Australian Army brigadier
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Speaker 2: coming out. Plus I get all the chaos Israelis have
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Speaker 2: had to endure over the past few weeks. I will
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Speaker 2: bring you tonight the astonishing story of a baby born
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Speaker 2: in a bomb shelter in Jerusalem. And if the BRESSA
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Speaker 2: wasn't already on it is now the Trump administration secure
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Speaker 2: in that dramatic hike in defense spending from almost all
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Speaker 2: but one Spain NATO countries, and yet our government here
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Speaker 2: is insisting that we are paying half of what they
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Speaker 2: are and that's enough.
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Speaker 1: What matters now is that the quality of that defense
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Speaker 1: spending is the best that it can be.
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Speaker 2: But first, what is it with the Albanezi government who
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Speaker 2: are making us about as popular as the North Koreans.
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Speaker 2: With Australia snub again at an international event? In what
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Speaker 2: a waste of one hundred thousand dollars or so that
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Speaker 2: it's cost taxpayers does end Richard Miles and his entourage
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Speaker 2: to the NATO summit this week and for Miles end
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Speaker 2: to miss out not just on the meeting with the
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Speaker 2: US President, but also his own counterpart, the US Defense
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Speaker 2: Secretary Pete Hegsith. And just in case Miles misread, the
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Speaker 2: snub is placed in the NATO family photograph made at
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Speaker 2: all crystal clear not just to us in an Australia,
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Speaker 2: but every other government in the world who knows how
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Speaker 2: to read these sort of diplomatic displays. And what could
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Speaker 2: we expect given our readiness to vote against the United
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Speaker 2: States at the UN over and over again on the
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Speaker 2: question of Israel and our stubborn refusal to increase defense
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Speaker 2: spending when every other close ally of the United States is.
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Speaker 2: It shows just how out of step we are that
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Speaker 2: the Starmer government in Britain, in many ways the ideological
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Speaker 2: soulmate of the Albanyzer government here, is increasing its defense
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Speaker 2: spending to two point seven percent of GDP immediately, and
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Speaker 2: to three point five percent of GDP early in the
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Speaker 2: twenty thirties, and of course this new five percent. But
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Speaker 2: here at home, we're just limping along around two percent now,
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Speaker 2: even though we admit these are the most perilous times
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Speaker 2: in seven decades that we are unable to defend ourselves,
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Speaker 2: and that we are reliant on an ally that doesn't
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Speaker 2: really want to know us anymore. Here's trying to justify
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Speaker 2: his trip.
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Speaker 1: What matters now is that the quality of that defense
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Speaker 1: spending is the best that it can be, so that
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Speaker 1: we are in fact increasing production across all of our countries,
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Speaker 1: which will mean that there is actual better capability which
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Speaker 1: results from this increase in expenditure.
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Speaker 2: And here is the government's leadership and the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: down trying to justify existing parless levels of defense spending.
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Speaker 3: We are actually already very substantially increasing our investment in defense.
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Speaker 4: We found room in tight budgets. We have to rethink
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Speaker 4: our approach on defense. How volatile the world is.
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Speaker 3: Our approach here and is very clear, which is we
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Speaker 3: will ensure that Australia has the capability that we need, and.
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Speaker 1: Of course we will determine our own defense spending based
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Speaker 1: on Australia's national interest.
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Speaker 2: Whatever you think of Donald Trump, there's no doubt he's
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Speaker 2: had our triumph for a few days. First, he's done
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Speaker 2: what all these recent predecessors threatened to do but couldn't.
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Speaker 5: As long as I'm president of the United States, Iran
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Speaker 5: will not get a nuclear weapon.
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Speaker 2: Here's my message to Iran's leaders.
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Speaker 6: The United States will never allow you to acquire a
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Speaker 6: nuclear weapon.
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Speaker 7: We will not allow Ran to acquire a nuclear weapon.
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Speaker 8: What we need to do to ensure that Iran never
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Speaker 8: achieves the ability to be a nuclear power.
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Speaker 2: That is one of my highest priorities. Now, unlike their
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Speaker 2: mere words, he's most likely wiped out Iran's nuclear weapons program. Second,
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Speaker 2: he's achieved what all his predecessors sought to do but
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Speaker 2: never were able to achieve. His forced America's European allies
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Speaker 2: to substantially increase that defense spending, which leaves us more
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Speaker 2: isolated than ever in Australia, having totally failed to respond
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Speaker 2: to pretty reasonable requests of our ally the same Maley,
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Speaker 2: of course, on which we're totally depended on for the
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Speaker 2: defense of Australia. In a couple of weeks time, the
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Speaker 2: Talisman Saber multinational military exercises will take place here in
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Speaker 2: Northern Australia. It's an impressive display of democratic unity and resolve.
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Speaker 2: We can't expect our allies to do more for Australia
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Speaker 2: than we are prepared to do for ourselves. And we
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Speaker 2: can't expect American sons and daughters to put their lives
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Speaker 2: on the line for Australia when they're spending close to
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Speaker 2: four percent of GDP on defense and we are spending
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Speaker 2: half that. As I wrote in my column today for
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Speaker 2: The Australian, under the alban Ezy government, the US Alliance
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Speaker 2: is on life support at best. And that's why Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albenezi wouldn't go to NATO. That's why he won't go
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Speaker 2: to Washington either, but he will go to Beijing. Now,
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Speaker 2: this is a bloke who feels more comfortable with an
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Speaker 2: Australia that's an economic colony of China, and in Australia
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Speaker 2: that's a military ally of the United States. And it
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Speaker 2: can't bear being exposed to an overl office dressing down
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Speaker 2: before the media for failing to do what every self
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Speaker 2: respecting nation should, namely maintain the ability to defend itself.
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Speaker 2: This government is cannibalizing the armed forces now to pay
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Speaker 2: for orcus subs that won't arrive for seven years if
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Speaker 2: at all. Look at the record of them, you know
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Speaker 2: they Albadeza government's canceled an order for an extra squadron
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Speaker 2: of F thirty five's, it's drastically cut back on an
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Speaker 2: order for new armored vehicles. It's prematurely retired in anzac frigate.
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Speaker 2: It's failed thus far to place an order for new frigates,
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Speaker 2: and it's about to retire our last mind sweepers. Now,
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Speaker 2: if he was a soldier leaving his post undefended like this,
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Speaker 2: Now for the other and easy face of court Marshal,
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Speaker 2: it's somehow as PM he thinks it's okay and we're
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Speaker 2: letting him get away with it. And you walk the
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Speaker 2: graves of Gallipoli, a psalm or Vietnam, and you tell
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Speaker 2: me that freedom is free. You tell me freedom is free,
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Speaker 2: because it is not. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
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Speaker 2: And this Prime Minister is sleepwalking Australia into danger. And
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Speaker 2: look a rare win for common sense with a Victorian
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Speaker 2: council worker sacks for questioning a workplace to acknowledgment of
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Speaker 2: country then winning his unfair dismissal case or hallelujah for
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Speaker 2: common sense. But what kind of an employer would insist
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Speaker 2: on beginning every meeting, even a weekly meeting of the
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Speaker 2: street cleaning team, or a new acknowledgment of country, And
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Speaker 2: what kind of an employer would try a then sack
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Speaker 2: a staff member who dared to question the practice. Well,
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Speaker 2: the Daraban Council, that's who possibly the most woke council
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Speaker 2: in Victoria. I'll tell you what's better of competition for
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Speaker 2: that title, But they're pretty bad. Well good on Sean
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Speaker 2: Turner taking them mine up. But they sacked him for
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Speaker 2: alleged misconduct after he merely expressed incredulity at the need
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Speaker 2: for an indulgent of country before a meeting to discuss
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Speaker 2: the coming weeks street sweeping schedule. And Turner said if
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Speaker 2: anyone was to be thanked. He said, it's the people
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Speaker 2: who have worn the uniform and fought for our country
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Speaker 2: to keep it free. Well here here, he said that
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Speaker 2: acknowledgments of country were getting out of hand and people
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Speaker 2: are losing it. He said that they were okay, a
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Speaker 2: big formal occasions, but shouldn't be made at the opening
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Speaker 2: of an envelope. Get this bloke a seat in parliament,
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Speaker 2: I tell you what. And for this Turner was sacked
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Speaker 2: supposedly for serious misconduct. Now it is defense pointed out
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Speaker 2: that he'd grown up with Aboriginal people. He even has
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Speaker 2: an Aboriginal brother in law. Now, thankfully he won his
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Speaker 2: case and now it should be reinstated. But it should
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Speaker 2: never have come to this. These acknowledgments have to only
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Speaker 2: got out of hand. They're becoming a way of saying
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Speaker 2: that the country belongs to some of us more than
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Speaker 2: to all of us. And that's not right. As Bob
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Speaker 2: Hawk said, in this country, there is no hierarchy of descent,
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Speaker 2: there is no privilege of origin, and we must keep
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Speaker 2: it that way. All right, let's get the headlines now.
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Speaker 2: Sky Neese political reporter Trundy Macintosh.
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Speaker 9: The Abanese government is for now resisting pressure to dramatically
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Speaker 9: increase defense spending. NATO leaders promised the US president they
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Speaker 9: would lift spending to five percent of GDP by twenty
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Speaker 9: thirty five.
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Speaker 2: This would not have happened if you would not have
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Speaker 2: been elected.
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Speaker 9: There was one notable exception. Spain says it's current two
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Speaker 9: percent target is sufficient. The president is now threatening higher tariffs.
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Speaker 2: We're negotiating with Spain on a trade deal. We're going
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Speaker 2: to make them pay twice as much, and I'm actually
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Speaker 2: serious about that.
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Speaker 9: Last month, the US asked Australia to lift spend to
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Speaker 9: three point five percent of GDP. It's currently on track
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Speaker 9: for two point three percent.
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Speaker 1: And will continue to assess what our needs are going.
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Speaker 5: For there will be further investments in defense.
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Speaker 9: I have no doubt about that. The Shadow Defense Minister
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Speaker 9: is critical. The PM has failed to secure FaceTime with
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Speaker 9: the US president.
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Speaker 8: It's very clear that the Prime Minister is better able
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Speaker 8: to get a meeting with a Chinese president than the
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Speaker 8: American president, and I think we should be worried about this.
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Speaker 9: And the opposition leader has convened the first shadow cabinet
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Speaker 9: meeting since the election defeat.
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Speaker 7: So our task is now to rebuild with humility.
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Speaker 9: The Nationals leader is confident the tide will turn in
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Speaker 9: the coalition's favor.
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Speaker 2: The mob will turn.
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Speaker 6: As they turn in this election, they can turn again
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Speaker 6: and when they turn, they'll turn big time.
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Speaker 9: Just a day after Susan Lee open the door to
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Speaker 9: gender quotas in Liberal ranks. This from her leadership rival.
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Speaker 8: I'm not a supporter of quotas. It's not something that
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Speaker 8: I think is necessary in order to get the outcome.
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Speaker 9: Trinty Macintosh Sky News, Canberra, all.
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Speaker 2: Right, just before I bring him my panel for News
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Speaker 2: of the Day tonight. A group of Liberals have launched
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Speaker 2: a court challenge to John Pisiito's loan from the Party,
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Speaker 2: which not long ago was adjourned until next week at
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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court in Melbourne. Our report. Georgie Dickinson has
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Speaker 2: been watching the developments, She joins me. Now, well, Georgie,
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Speaker 2: this was a late pushchift for if the joppositor didn't
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Speaker 2: pay this money. That the whole sum is two point
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Speaker 2: three There's a party loan though of one point five million.
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Speaker 2: If that's not paid before tomorrow, he was on his
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Speaker 2: way to bankruptcy. What's the latest and why this court action.
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Speaker 3: Good evening to you, Peter, Yeah, that's right. If he
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Speaker 3: didn't pay this by tomorrow, we could have seen that
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Speaker 3: seat of Hawthorne go to a by election. So these
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Speaker 3: are some interesting developments this afternoon. We started the morning
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Speaker 3: by hearing that those funds had been paid the two
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Speaker 3: point three million tomorrow redeeming. But then this afternoon we
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Speaker 3: had this last minute court action at four point fifteen
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Speaker 3: this afternoon. Now this court action was lodged to stop
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Speaker 3: those funds being loaned to John Pursuedo that one point
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Speaker 3: five five million dollars. Now we did hear in the court.
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Speaker 3: It was brought about by one of the members of
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Speaker 3: the administrative Committee, Colleen Harken, And in the court the
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Speaker 3: judge seemed a little bit annoyed when we first started
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Speaker 3: the hearing. He couldn't understand why this court hearing was
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Speaker 3: being deemed an urgent matter due to the nature of
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Speaker 3: the fact that the funds had already been released. But
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Speaker 3: nevertheless he continued to hear the matter. But what he
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Speaker 3: said was he needed to have all members of that
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Speaker 3: administrative committee present in court. He said, due to the
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Speaker 3: nature of this and due to how large the sum
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Speaker 3: of money is that all of those members need to
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Speaker 3: be in court so that they can appropriately try this
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Speaker 3: case and appropriately hear both sides of the argument going
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Speaker 3: for He said that they had come to the court
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Speaker 3: half baked to quote the Justice McDonald there so instead
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Speaker 3: of hearing the case today, instead it has been moved
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Speaker 3: to next Friday, the fourth of July. He says that
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Speaker 3: all nineteen members need to be served. They need to
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Speaker 3: come to court to be able to hear this matter appropriately.
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Speaker 3: So until then those funds have been frozen and so
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Speaker 3: it is going to be the Brad Batton says he
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Speaker 3: wanted a line to be drawn in the sand for
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Speaker 3: the Liberal Party to move on from this, but it
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Speaker 3: seems that it is far from this, Peter, and it
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Speaker 3: is still going to be an ongoing issue for the
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Speaker 3: Liberal Party.
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Speaker 2: Goodness being well over there, Georgie, I'm sure you'll keep
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Speaker 2: us across it, gentlemen. Now my panel broadcast to Carolee
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Speaker 2: Catsumbanos and from the Women's Forum Australia, Sephanie Bastian. We'll
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Speaker 2: get into some other issues, but i'll pick this one up,
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Speaker 2: this Perzuto demon Court matter with you, Stephanie, because I
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Speaker 2: know you're familiar with the Party. I know you're familiar
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Speaker 2: with the party sort of organizational structures. What George is
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Speaker 2: just revealed there is a member of the Admin committee,
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Speaker 2: So the same group that approved this loan who has
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Speaker 2: now broken ranks and taken the party to court to
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Speaker 2: event the passing through are the one point five million dollars.
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Speaker 2: It's obviously been stagehard that hearing what I know from
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Speaker 2: members of the same committee that I have spoken to,
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Speaker 2: there are a number of factors out of the decision
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Speaker 2: that they are concerned about. There was no term given
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Speaker 2: for the loan. There was no interest rate given for
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Speaker 2: the loan. They were not provided with any documentation as
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Speaker 2: to how much would be paid back on a monthly
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Speaker 2: or yearly basis by John Pizzuto. There was no information
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Speaker 2: provided that no paperwork given to them about a process
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Speaker 2: should he ever default on the loan. And I think
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Speaker 2: you and I both know there's a lot of party
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Speaker 2: anger out there. I will say that this court action
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Speaker 2: has nothing at all to do with more redeeming. This
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Speaker 2: has been taken by executives in the party. Brad Batton
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Speaker 2: wants it over. I know Jeff Kennett wants it all
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Speaker 2: to go away, but Stephanie, do you think it will?
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Speaker 10: I think this has a little way to go yet.
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Speaker 10: A big part of the problem is that most party
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Speaker 10: members or many do not see this as an honest mistake.
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Speaker 10: They can see that this is a matter that has
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Speaker 10: blown out of proportion because it was contrived. Purseuito wrote
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Speaker 10: Mora Deeming's resignation letter before he'd even met with her
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Speaker 10: to discuss the rally. Conversations that were airing court between
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Speaker 10: his starvers revealed that they knew that they were getting
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Speaker 10: the story in the facts wrong. Had this been an
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Speaker 10: honest mistake, I think it would have been stopped in
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Speaker 10: its tracks much earlier.
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Speaker 2: It probably would have settled.
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Speaker 10: John Bursudo pursued this all the way through and now
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Speaker 10: he's expecting party members to pick up an eye watering bill.
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Speaker 2: It's absolutely absurd.
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Speaker 10: So there's no wonder. There's a lot of anger and
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Speaker 10: frustration out of there.
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Speaker 2: Caroly, there's love of anger with Victorians. Put the politics
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Speaker 2: of the party to one side. Victorias and it's desperate
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Speaker 2: for the Liberals to grow up and be a decent
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Speaker 2: opposition and to start taking on a government. I'm speaking
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Speaker 2: to a farm a bit later in the show his
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Speaker 2: face now with these huge transmission finds. They just want
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Speaker 2: there to be a viable opposition to what they regard
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Speaker 2: as a very bad government.
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Speaker 5: Look definitely good evening, Peter and also Stephanie. The problem
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Speaker 5: is that the longer the John pursuito matter goes around,
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Speaker 5: doesn't matter how nice the gentleman is, the longer it
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Speaker 5: detracts from November twenty twenty six. We saw today that
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Speaker 5: their suburban rail loop, that things are blowing out even further.
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Speaker 5: There should be an easy win for the Liberals to
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Speaker 5: be able to capitalize and really get on top of
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Speaker 5: and every day that this hangs around, it's one more
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Speaker 5: day that it's in the media and the policies aren't
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Speaker 5: able to able to get out because Victorians actually do
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Speaker 5: want to vote for the Liberal Party, but they want
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Speaker 5: to see a cohesiveness. They don't need former premiers injecting
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Speaker 5: themselves into conversations and.
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Speaker 2: Everything like that.
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Speaker 5: And it's really desperate because this is the best time
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Speaker 5: ever that the Liberals have got to be able to
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Speaker 5: take government. But this is just hanging over everybody's head
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Speaker 5: and it's an absolute mess and you can't blame you
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Speaker 5: can't blame a lot of the Liberals for being angry.
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Speaker 5: They've got every right because at the end of the day,
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Speaker 5: party members money is there to fight the Labor Party
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Speaker 5: to be able to get a good Liberal government back
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Speaker 5: into Victoria.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's just talk about bad governments. Most of
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Speaker 2: them at a state level are of course labor governments.
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Speaker 2: So we've got a federal labor government in Canberra. Revelations
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Speaker 2: today that the combined net debt this is the federal,
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Speaker 2: state and territory government across Australia, is set to hit
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Speaker 2: one point to trillion dollars over the next financial year.
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Speaker 2: That's a lift of some thirteen percent. The Treasurer Carally said,
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Speaker 2: you know, the budget's not sustainable. But when he talks
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Speaker 2: about making it sustainable, he's talking about more taxes and
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Speaker 2: tax increases. He's not talking about coming to grips with spending.
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Speaker 2: And I think the problem here probably I'll even have
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Speaker 2: to include the Tasmanian Liberals here because they've increased their
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Speaker 2: debt burden. I mean, governments have got to live within
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Speaker 2: their means.
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Speaker 5: Well, not only that they've got to live within their means,
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Speaker 5: but they've also got to stop offering all this free stuff.
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Speaker 2: To everybody.
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Speaker 5: We've had, you know, the wave of the hextebts, we've
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Speaker 5: had the NDIS, which is completely out of control. We
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Speaker 5: are now right at the bottom of the pecking order.
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Speaker 5: We've seen that NATO the countries have agreed to the
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Speaker 5: five percent defense spending. We can't even give a timeline
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Speaker 5: on increasing our budget to even the two point three
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Speaker 5: It needs to be right up to three percent. The
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Speaker 5: optics are very very you know, they're very clear for everybody,
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Speaker 5: and we are not good at managing this money. And
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Speaker 5: it just shows the resolve of federal labor and state
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Speaker 5: labor governments. They're happy to spend like drunken sailors. Australians
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Speaker 5: are going to get very poor, very quickly, but they're
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Speaker 5: not actually doing the right levers to get this debt
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Speaker 5: under control.
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Speaker 2: Stephanie. The streets sweepers Sean Turner, who says, you know,
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Speaker 2: I don't mind a bit of a welcomed country or
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Speaker 2: an acknowledgment of country, but it shouldn't be when we
18:46
Speaker 2: sit down and talk about the schedule of what streets
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Speaker 2: need to be cleaned next week in the Duraban Council area.
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Speaker 2: And his point that if we're going to thank anyone
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Speaker 2: or acknowledge anyone. Let's acknowledge that the people have kept
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Speaker 2: us safe. Where our country's uniform. As I said, I'll
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Speaker 2: tell you what we need to get this bloke a
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Speaker 2: seat in parliament.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely and well done for him for challenging it. I
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Speaker 10: think for too long these activists who have held these
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Speaker 10: positions within councils and bureaucracies have felt that they've had
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Speaker 10: such a moral high ground in our culture that they
19:18
Speaker 10: have been above the law, and now they're facing the
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Speaker 10: consequences for their actions. I think that we need to
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Speaker 10: have more court actions when people are wronged in this way.
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Speaker 10: Just this week Billboard Chris, who has moved on from
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Speaker 10: the Brisbane Council with Police Force and fined for speaking
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Speaker 10: out about children being harmed by puberty blockers. He challenged
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Speaker 10: the way that he was treated and he's fine it
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Speaker 10: was likewise overturned. So I think that people are sick
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Speaker 10: of being trampled on by activists. I think they want
19:47
Speaker 10: to have they want to have the freedom to their
19:50
Speaker 10: views and opinions without their employment being at risk. And
19:53
Speaker 10: I hope that we see more legal action like this
19:55
Speaker 10: to push back.
19:58
Speaker 2: I'll play a comments she made in relation to quotas.
20:01
Speaker 2: But before I do, Susan Lee had something to say
20:05
Speaker 2: at the start of her speech yesterday at the Press Club.
20:07
Speaker 2: Let's listen.
20:09
Speaker 7: I'd like to begin by acknowledging the traditional owners of
20:13
Speaker 7: the land on which we meet today.
20:17
Speaker 2: Yes, so I want to play that because I want
20:18
Speaker 2: people to miss it. It was a bit perturbed to
20:22
Speaker 2: see that happen. Let's get into her quota comments, because
20:25
Speaker 2: they've come back today and have been picked up and
20:28
Speaker 2: run with by a range of people in the party.
20:31
Speaker 2: Let's remind ourselves of what she said.
20:34
Speaker 7: People say the word quota is. What I think to
20:36
Speaker 7: myself is, come on, it's time to get serious about
20:39
Speaker 7: women in the Liberal Party. You can describe it how
20:41
Speaker 7: you want, in terms of mandatory, voluntary, state divisions, whatever.
20:47
Speaker 7: I want to work proactively, passionately with our state divisions
20:51
Speaker 7: to achieve more women in the Liberal Party. What we
20:54
Speaker 7: have now is completely unacceptable.
21:00
Speaker 2: Worried me here, Caroll, She says, I'm agnostic. I really
21:02
Speaker 2: don't care about whether we have quotas or we don't
21:05
Speaker 2: have quotas. Now, I reckon, she's the first Liberal female
21:08
Speaker 2: I've ever come across who doesn't care about quotas. I
21:11
Speaker 2: mean they either absolutely want them or like me, are
21:14
Speaker 2: violently opposed. But I've hardly met anyone who sits on
21:16
Speaker 2: the fence. And if that's the position of the Liberal
21:19
Speaker 2: leader that again says, you know, leadership is about making
21:22
Speaker 2: a tough call on these things and standing for something,
21:25
Speaker 2: what did you think, Yeah.
21:26
Speaker 5: Peter, I'm also I'm not for quotas either. I mean,
21:29
Speaker 5: the one thing we want is we need good men
21:31
Speaker 5: and good women to join the Liberal Party of Australia,
21:34
Speaker 5: whether that's federal or whether that's state.
21:36
Speaker 2: At the moment, the.
21:37
Speaker 5: Liberal Party is not an attractive proposition for many people.
21:40
Speaker 5: You could also look at it the other way that
21:42
Speaker 5: there are a lot of good women that were there
21:45
Speaker 5: that eight weeks ago, that did all the groundwork and
21:47
Speaker 5: are now disappeared from view. So there's always a price
21:51
Speaker 5: to pay. The other thing is it's not good. You
21:54
Speaker 5: do want a leader to make the tough decisions to
21:56
Speaker 5: say I believe in this. You look at what Trump's done,
21:58
Speaker 5: he believes in it. You have to be prepared for
22:01
Speaker 5: people to actually push back against you. But it's not
22:03
Speaker 5: good to say, well, the state party can do this,
22:06
Speaker 5: and if they want to do this that is not
22:07
Speaker 5: good at all. So I would just say I think
22:11
Speaker 5: it's disappointing.
22:11
Speaker 2: It's disappointing.
22:12
Speaker 5: We need good men and good women candidates, not quotas.
22:16
Speaker 2: What are your record, stephany.
22:20
Speaker 5: Lock.
22:20
Speaker 10: I think that she should be taking proactive steps to
22:24
Speaker 10: bring in extra training for women. I think quite often
22:26
Speaker 10: I'm very sympathetic to the arguments around the fact that
22:29
Speaker 10: quite often women have their careers and raise their families,
22:31
Speaker 10: and then when it comes to running for a seat,
22:33
Speaker 10: they haven't done a lot of the leg work that
22:35
Speaker 10: say men who often get pre selected do, such as
22:38
Speaker 10: state directors and staffers or who've worked in liberal aligned
22:41
Speaker 10: think tanks. I think the Liberal Party should get serious
22:44
Speaker 10: about having proper formalized training for women how to deal
22:46
Speaker 10: with the media, how to develop policy, because quite often
22:49
Speaker 10: women come to politics caring deeply about issues. So rather
22:54
Speaker 10: than quotas, alongside with developing good policy that voters actually
22:58
Speaker 10: want to vote for, I'd say, bring in some extra
23:01
Speaker 10: training and development for women.
23:05
Speaker 2: I might as well, lad I added this last night.
23:07
Speaker 2: She was the shadow Minister for Women and the Deputy Leader,
23:10
Speaker 2: and she sacked a number of women out of her ministry.
23:14
Speaker 2: So you want to walk the walk, you've got to
23:16
Speaker 2: talk the talk as well. All right, thank you to
23:18
Speaker 2: you both. Let's go down to the realities of life
23:20
Speaker 2: in Israel after what's been an extraordinary few weeks under
23:23
Speaker 2: the threat of missile attack, and of course this ceasefire
23:26
Speaker 2: will be pretty tenuous. David Early grew up in the
23:29
Speaker 2: suburban in suburban Melbourne, but moved to Israel in the
23:33
Speaker 2: mid nineteen nineties. He now lives in a district about
23:36
Speaker 2: ten kilometers east of Tel Aviv, and he has, of course,
23:40
Speaker 2: like so many, been under direct fire ever since Iran
23:44
Speaker 2: launched those retaliatory attacks. I'm pleased to say, he joins me. Now, David,
23:49
Speaker 2: I'm delighted to have you on the program. I'm delighted
23:53
Speaker 2: that we are in a ceasefire period. If you need
23:56
Speaker 2: to run though of the sirens sound, we will absolutely
23:59
Speaker 2: un to stare. But is life returning to some sense
24:03
Speaker 2: of normality for you?
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Speaker 11: First of all, Peter, thank you very much for having
24:08
Speaker 11: me on, and thank you for amazing work that you've
24:10
Speaker 11: done through Asiland. From Australia in general, there truly a
24:12
Speaker 11: breath of fresh air and this Australia is lucky to
24:15
Speaker 11: have you.
24:16
Speaker 4: That's what I think. There's now been a couple of
24:18
Speaker 4: days of sea.
24:19
Speaker 11: As far as walking yesterday in the street to Senorogan,
24:23
Speaker 11: I was going to get stuff from the shops and.
24:25
Speaker 4: That, and I thought to myself, Wow, this is really strange.
24:28
Speaker 11: The sun is shining and I don't have to worry
24:30
Speaker 11: if I've got to run into a building into someone
24:32
Speaker 11: else's shelter, or if there's going to be an alarm,
24:35
Speaker 11: or I've got to scoop up grandchildren and run downstairs
24:38
Speaker 11: into the shelter. Our shelter is underneath our buildings. I've
24:41
Speaker 11: merged into the ground as opposed to some people have
24:44
Speaker 11: saved in the more modern buildings. So yeah, there is
24:48
Speaker 11: a certain amalacy which is returning. Going to sleep at
24:50
Speaker 11: night is still a challenge because you think to yourself, wow,
24:52
Speaker 11: is it's really you know, am I going to be
24:54
Speaker 11: working at night with another siren?
24:57
Speaker 4: Or can I actually go to sleep? Now?
24:58
Speaker 11: You still wake up in the middle of lin Well,
25:00
Speaker 11: there might be a star and I better sort of
25:02
Speaker 11: preempted and get ready. I actually put pajamas on last
25:05
Speaker 11: night for the first time because I thought, well, here,
25:08
Speaker 11: I'm not going to have to run down to the shelter,
25:10
Speaker 11: and I can present myself in bed and not for
25:13
Speaker 11: other people, other neighbors.
25:17
Speaker 2: I'll ask you about the reaction to the events of
25:20
Speaker 2: the last couple of days in the US President. But
25:23
Speaker 2: you mentioned your grandchildren there. I mean, I cannot fathom
25:26
Speaker 2: what it would be like to have to scoop up
25:28
Speaker 2: children in the middle of the night, literally run for
25:31
Speaker 2: your lives. How they coped being underground for hours and
25:36
Speaker 2: hours on the end in the last few weeks.
25:41
Speaker 11: Children actually incredibly resilient, I think. I mean, I've got
25:44
Speaker 11: nine children and just had number twenty eight grandchildren, so
25:49
Speaker 11: I sort of know children to be there. They're fairly resilient.
25:52
Speaker 11: And if you tell them what it is, this is
25:54
Speaker 11: what it is, and this is what you've got to
25:55
Speaker 11: do when it comes to the crunch, they do it.
25:58
Speaker 11: The little three year old, her father was working in
26:03
Speaker 11: Jerusalem on certain matters, and so my daughter and her
26:07
Speaker 11: two little kids three years old and ten weeks ago.
26:10
Speaker 11: I was saying, you know, at our place as soon
26:11
Speaker 11: as the siren when she jumped into my arms and
26:13
Speaker 11: just clung onto me and just came down with me
26:17
Speaker 11: and sat on my lap, you know, for the duration
26:19
Speaker 11: at the siren, you tell them what it is. This
26:21
Speaker 11: is what it is.
26:22
Speaker 4: Afterwards they sort.
26:23
Speaker 11: Of played it out and actually I can see you've
26:24
Speaker 11: got a clip now of them playing sirens when they
26:27
Speaker 11: got me to fire a noise and then run into
26:30
Speaker 11: the little bunker that they built themselves and giggled the way,
26:33
Speaker 11: laughed away and that.
26:34
Speaker 4: You know, the kids are resilient. They turned things into games.
26:37
Speaker 11: I don't know what they think afterwards, and they certainly
26:41
Speaker 11: were happy when they went home, and you know, I thought, well,
26:43
Speaker 11: this is now finished. We hope it's finished. We don't
26:45
Speaker 11: know what's going to happen. We don't know if this
26:47
Speaker 11: as far as going to last. We don't know if
26:49
Speaker 11: we just don't know. We don't know if the hooties
26:51
Speaker 11: are going to attack again. They've gone quite there's been
26:54
Speaker 11: no detail on that whatsoever. So yeah, it's scary for
26:58
Speaker 11: the kids. And you you.
27:01
Speaker 4: Just dealt with him. You do what you do kids things.
27:03
Speaker 11: You become a kid yourself at some level, and you
27:05
Speaker 11: look after them.
27:08
Speaker 2: We have a mutual friend, which is how you came
27:11
Speaker 2: to my attention. And I know about baby number twenty eight.
27:14
Speaker 2: We'll get to that one in a moment, because I
27:15
Speaker 2: think that's an extraordinary story. But give me your take
27:19
Speaker 2: on our prime minister's language, the Australian Prime minister's language
27:23
Speaker 2: around this conflict. And let's go back pretty much from
27:27
Speaker 2: October seven and beyond, how you see our prime minister
27:31
Speaker 2: handling things. And I want you to contrast it to
27:34
Speaker 2: the events of Sunday where we saw you know, the
27:37
Speaker 2: shokun or might of the United States play out as
27:40
Speaker 2: it did. Start first with mister Albin Easy.
27:45
Speaker 11: I don't want to be rude, and I'm sort of
27:47
Speaker 11: an expatch and I keep very very close tized with
27:49
Speaker 11: the strain and I listen to what's going on their family.
27:53
Speaker 11: Then I'm in touch every single day with lots of
27:55
Speaker 11: people in various family and friends. I feel that I
28:00
Speaker 11: can make some level of comment. Mister Albanize, in my mind,
28:05
Speaker 11: is disappointment. He has not given Israel in the backing
28:08
Speaker 11: that it needs us as a very close friend of Israel,
28:11
Speaker 11: and he's not given the Jewish community the backing that
28:13
Speaker 11: it needs just and I use the word very very carefully,
28:17
Speaker 11: he's a disappointment.
28:19
Speaker 4: He's not there.
28:19
Speaker 11: He has not been there as a friend, his party
28:22
Speaker 11: has not been there as a friend. His foreign minister
28:24
Speaker 11: has not been there as a friend. And then the
28:28
Speaker 11: Jewish person they had in the ministry that sat they moved.
28:33
Speaker 11: So that says a lot, doesn't it. It took him
28:36
Speaker 11: twenty four hours to come out in favor of the bombing.
28:40
Speaker 11: That's probably because he was upset he didn't get his invitation.
28:42
Speaker 11: And then when mister Trump used his poetic language, you know,
28:46
Speaker 11: he took him twenty.
28:47
Speaker 4: Four minutes to respond. I'll tell you a little story.
28:50
Speaker 11: If I went yesterday to help a friend in English
28:54
Speaker 11: speaking Lloyd needed someone.
28:56
Speaker 4: Who was in speaking to witness they will.
28:59
Speaker 11: So I went across the road to help him, and
29:01
Speaker 11: the guy sitting there was in ISRAELI spoke Hebrew and
29:04
Speaker 11: he saw us speak English. She said, well you're from
29:05
Speaker 11: I said, well, I'm as from across the road. He said, no,
29:07
Speaker 11: where are you from? I said, well, I'm from Australia.
29:09
Speaker 11: He looks at me with butter utter.
29:13
Speaker 4: Horror or surprise. He says, what happened to you guys?
29:19
Speaker 11: He said, you guys used to be so pro is Well,
29:21
Speaker 11: you guys were very very close friends.
29:24
Speaker 4: I used to have a lot of dealings with Australia.
29:25
Speaker 11: He said, I used, you know, business whatever he said,
29:27
Speaker 11: I used to actually be friends with the next police
29:31
Speaker 11: chief commissioner. I don't know the man's name, and he
29:33
Speaker 11: couldn't remember. He said it was of Italian descent. That
29:36
Speaker 11: might mean something to somebody, and he said, this guy
29:38
Speaker 11: used to say how much we love you and how
29:39
Speaker 11: much we we're there for you, and we feel for you,
29:42
Speaker 11: we know what's going on and we share common values.
29:44
Speaker 4: I think it's all evaporated with mister Albanis, and I think.
29:47
Speaker 11: It's very very sad the people here don't understand what's
29:52
Speaker 11: going on in Australia, the anti Semitism, the feeling of
29:57
Speaker 11: sort betrayal, that they're not there for us, which was
30:00
Speaker 11: like one country that really supported these There are a
30:03
Speaker 11: lot of common values. There's you know very much, she'll
30:06
Speaker 11: be right made and they'll very much the outdoor experience,
30:09
Speaker 11: the sport experiences, a lot of a lot of very
30:11
Speaker 11: common values, freedom, democracy, just just things that people.
30:19
Speaker 4: Like to do, you know, blue skies, you could even
30:21
Speaker 4: put it that way.
30:23
Speaker 11: And they feel a lot of people here feel that
30:25
Speaker 11: Australia has for some reason betrayed them, has sort of
30:30
Speaker 11: left them, and they cannot understand the changing attitude there.
30:34
Speaker 4: So that's I think many Australians think about that.
30:40
Speaker 2: Sorry, there's many Australia. I hate to say this, David,
30:43
Speaker 2: there's many Australians who are similarly confused about where our
30:47
Speaker 2: country stands on Israel anymore and disappointed, as I'm sure
30:51
Speaker 2: you are. Just quickly, I'm almost out of time. I've
30:53
Speaker 2: got to ask you about this baby because grandchild number
30:57
Speaker 2: twenty eight, but born in extraordinary circums chances take us
31:00
Speaker 2: through what happened.
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Speaker 11: Well, my daughters, this thoughts particularly COT's got two children,
31:08
Speaker 11: a girl four and a girl too, and she's just
31:10
Speaker 11: had a third, which is this little boy you can
31:12
Speaker 11: see on the screen now. And she went into labor
31:15
Speaker 11: on Friday night, and they drove to the hospital in Jerusalem.
31:19
Speaker 4: Thinking well, that would possibly a bit little bit better
31:21
Speaker 4: than other places.
31:23
Speaker 11: The Mount Scopus Hospital if anybody's been where Male Scopus
31:28
Speaker 11: is in Jerusalem, and it's certainly a leading hospital. The
31:33
Speaker 11: hospital has set up an entire underground basement bomb shelter
31:37
Speaker 11: facility that could not be damaged by bombs. And in
31:42
Speaker 11: the middle here she is, you know, in labor. I
31:44
Speaker 11: mean I don't have to pay. That's like to everybody,
31:47
Speaker 11: I presume. And all of a sudden the sirens go
31:49
Speaker 11: on the telephones and everything, and you know, our phones
31:51
Speaker 11: are happy to be hijacked by the government, so you
31:53
Speaker 11: get this sort of sound on your phone, and then
31:56
Speaker 11: you find start ringing, and then the sirens start going.
31:59
Speaker 4: And then the missus falling in.
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Speaker 11: Here she is in the neighbor and poor thing in
32:03
Speaker 11: the end of the day because the baby was in
32:04
Speaker 11: a bit of stress, ended up meeting.
32:06
Speaker 4: So she is with the with whatever an aesthetic they
32:09
Speaker 4: can give.
32:10
Speaker 11: Doctors running around like crazy, and then more people coming
32:13
Speaker 11: in because of what happens in everything. And here they
32:15
Speaker 11: are delivering this little baby boy, which thank god, it's
32:19
Speaker 11: very healthy and very happy. We've met him already and
32:21
Speaker 11: she's recovering. Let's just say that he will have a
32:24
Speaker 11: story for his grandchildren, perhaps your grandchildren.
32:27
Speaker 4: We done him one days.
32:28
Speaker 2: Code and I hope he tells the story from us
32:33
Speaker 2: safe and independent Israel too. David, thank you and the
32:36
Speaker 2: very best to you and your family. Stay safe. There
32:39
Speaker 2: you go. That baby was born by caesarean in a
32:42
Speaker 2: bomb shelter. Just extraordinary. The break. Are we absolutely sure
32:46
Speaker 2: that Iran's nuclear capability is decimated. Class a former Australian
32:51
Speaker 2: Army brigadier and what he thinks our defense spending should
32:54
Speaker 2: be and what we should spend our money on. Welcome
33:02
Speaker 2: back to the come. Private property rights being eroded in
33:04
Speaker 2: Victoria as farmers have no choice but to let transmission
33:07
Speaker 2: companies on their properties or face thousands and thousands of
33:11
Speaker 2: dollars in fines. But first, last night, Donald Trump reiterated
33:15
Speaker 2: the success of the strikes on Iran.
33:20
Speaker 4: I believe it was total obliteration.
33:22
Speaker 1: I believe they didn't have a chance to get anything
33:24
Speaker 1: out because we acted fast.
33:26
Speaker 12: If it would have taken two weeks, maybe, but it's
33:28
Speaker 12: very hard to remove that kind of material that ended
33:32
Speaker 12: the war.
33:34
Speaker 2: And those comments were today backed up by the CIA
33:37
Speaker 2: confirming it has obtained credible intelligence that the strike severely
33:41
Speaker 2: damaged Iran's nuclear program. Joining me now a former Army
33:44
Speaker 2: Director General, retired brigadier in Langford and thank you for
33:48
Speaker 2: your time. We're expecting to hear more from Pete Hegseth tonight.
33:52
Speaker 2: But how likely is it now with his additional information
33:55
Speaker 2: from the CIA, that the President's comments at NATO that
33:59
Speaker 2: the strikes have obliterated the nuclear capacity of Iran. How
34:03
Speaker 2: likely is it to be true?
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Speaker 12: Thanks Peter, I think in the context of President Trump's comment,
34:09
Speaker 12: it is fair to say that there has been significant
34:12
Speaker 12: structural damage to those key facilities and more specifically the
34:16
Speaker 12: centrifuges that look to weaponize that material to deliver the
34:20
Speaker 12: Iranians their much anticipated nuclear deterrent. There is no doubt
34:26
Speaker 12: that the delivery of several of those thirteen thousand kilo
34:31
Speaker 12: massive audiance penetrators and their thermobaric effects into those facilities
34:36
Speaker 12: would have caused significant damage both to those critical systems,
34:41
Speaker 12: but also to thinking beyond those facilities themselves. I think
34:45
Speaker 12: it's important to couch President Trump's answer to also recognize
34:49
Speaker 12: the other work that Israel has undertaken really since twenty
34:52
Speaker 12: ten to dismantle and deconstruct Iran's ambitions, and that includes
34:57
Speaker 12: the targeting of those key scientists and personnel who Israel
35:01
Speaker 12: have deemed enemy combatants. Also, all the way back to
35:05
Speaker 12: twenty ten, although never officially acknowledged, Israel conducted a cyber
35:09
Speaker 12: attack virus tooks next virus onto those facilities. And so
35:13
Speaker 12: when you look at the historical context of what the
35:15
Speaker 12: Israelis and the Americas have done to undermine Iran's ambitions.
35:19
Speaker 12: When you look at the sheer kinetic power of those
35:22
Speaker 12: ordinance that was delivered Vira b too bomber over those
35:26
Speaker 12: key facilities, and when you understand the thermobaric and terminal
35:30
Speaker 12: effects that they deliver. I think it's reasonable based on
35:33
Speaker 12: the intelligence assessment from the CIA, and what we understand
35:36
Speaker 12: is coming out of the US Secretary of Defense that
35:39
Speaker 12: President Trump's statement around destroying those targets is justified.
35:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, you're right to remind us about all the
35:48
Speaker 2: sort the intellectual capital that's been taken out, the leadership
35:52
Speaker 2: capital of the Iranian regime and not just obviously these
35:56
Speaker 2: physical assets over some time. So assuming all of that right,
36:00
Speaker 2: how long would it take if they were determined to
36:03
Speaker 2: restart the program, how long would it take them to
36:06
Speaker 2: get back where they were a couple of weeks ago.
36:11
Speaker 12: Well, it's a really interesting question, and again certainly the
36:15
Speaker 12: intelligence community will be really focused on understanding that. Part
36:19
Speaker 12: of that answer will be whether or not Iran's allies,
36:22
Speaker 12: to include Russia, the Chinese, and to some extent the
36:26
Speaker 12: North Koreans, are willing to transfer that technology back into
36:30
Speaker 12: Iran to give them those key ingredients to recommence that process.
36:36
Speaker 12: It is true. And if you look at the relationship
36:38
Speaker 12: between Iran and Russia, for example, in terms of technology
36:41
Speaker 12: transfers UAV's amendarial systems from Iran into Russia, and then
36:46
Speaker 12: the quid pro cool, which might be the export of
36:49
Speaker 12: a centrifuge, for example, out of Russia back into Iran.
36:52
Speaker 12: I think the time that it will take Iran to
36:55
Speaker 12: recommence their plan will be largely dependent on how willing
36:58
Speaker 12: their allies are to system in so doing.
37:03
Speaker 2: All right, let's go into Europe and look at the
37:08
Speaker 2: NATO meeting, because if someone had said to me, gosh,
37:11
Speaker 2: even four or five years ago, that would get NATO
37:13
Speaker 2: up to five percent. That's been just a Trump view,
37:16
Speaker 2: a long hell view of the United States. To get
37:18
Speaker 2: there Spain to one side last night with an ear
37:22
Speaker 2: unanimous vote, I think is extraordinary. What do you make
37:25
Speaker 2: of that spending commitment?
37:28
Speaker 12: It absolutely is extraordinary, and I think it's a symptom
37:31
Speaker 12: of just how much the world has changed and that
37:34
Speaker 12: we have lived, really since the end of the Cold
37:36
Speaker 12: War through what many described as a piece of dividend
37:39
Speaker 12: which is now over and in fact that national security
37:42
Speaker 12: and the use of war as an instrument in the
37:44
Speaker 12: international system is very much a feature of twenty twenty
37:47
Speaker 12: five moving forward, and that reflects a decision by most
37:50
Speaker 12: of the NATO members to lift their spending in line
37:53
Speaker 12: with the announcements overnight. President Trump certainly has been the
37:56
Speaker 12: catalyst to exact that commitment from his NOTO partners. And
38:01
Speaker 12: there's nothing more that focuses the mind than the war
38:05
Speaker 12: in Ukraine as it relates to European security and the
38:09
Speaker 12: reality that their own self reliant self defense is very
38:12
Speaker 12: much an obligation not only to the Alliance and to
38:15
Speaker 12: a lesser extent, the US, but actually to their own
38:18
Speaker 12: civilian populations. As we're reminded back here, the first and
38:21
Speaker 12: most significant duty of a government is to protect its people.
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Speaker 2: Right. I want to ask you about China, but I
38:28
Speaker 2: want to go back into that defense question, because when
38:31
Speaker 2: you listen to the federal government now Minister Miles, in particular,
38:34
Speaker 2: the Minister for Defense, he talks about our quantum of
38:37
Speaker 2: spending and at best in a decade will be at
38:39
Speaker 2: two point three to three. We're around two percent. Now.
38:42
Speaker 2: A lot of that is an accounting trick because it's
38:45
Speaker 2: a bring forward of money to pay for submarines in
38:48
Speaker 2: the nearer turn. It's not all the other defense capability.
38:52
Speaker 2: So I want to get your view on are we
38:53
Speaker 2: spending enough? And if you were the Minister for Defense,
38:57
Speaker 2: where would you say the money needs to be spent
38:59
Speaker 2: right now? What capability are we missing? What do we need?
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Speaker 12: Well? I think in the broader public debate, one of
39:06
Speaker 12: the challenges we have in this country is that the
39:08
Speaker 12: debate around defense spend is always relative to what we
39:11
Speaker 12: have either previously spent or what another form of government
39:15
Speaker 12: has spent, And of course what is absent is the
39:17
Speaker 12: question around whether the spend is appropriate relative to the threat. Now,
39:23
Speaker 12: it's one thing to have an investment program that will
39:26
Speaker 12: deliver important capabilities in the early part of next decade,
39:30
Speaker 12: and I would applaud that. It's another, however, to make
39:33
Speaker 12: a diagnosis of the international system and think about what
39:36
Speaker 12: we might need to get us to the arrival of
39:38
Speaker 12: those systems. So, what are as I like to call
39:41
Speaker 12: the fight tonight capabilities that we need to ensure our preparedness,
39:44
Speaker 12: for example, between twenty twenty five and twenty thirty. And
39:48
Speaker 12: in relation to that, although much of those government announcements
39:51
Speaker 12: around increase spending are in the plan budget, they are
39:55
Speaker 12: in the out of the years, in the back end
39:57
Speaker 12: of the decade, and I would submit to you that
39:59
Speaker 12: more needs to be are now so that we can
40:01
Speaker 12: manage the continuencies and risks that are likely to appear
40:05
Speaker 12: in our region between now and the arrival of things
40:07
Speaker 12: like UCAS submarines.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly quickly China, I mean, how real is a
40:14
Speaker 2: threat we hear of twenty twenty seven, we hear a
40:17
Speaker 2: G zone personal timetable, How real is the China and
40:20
Speaker 2: Taiwan threat?
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Speaker 12: Well, the Chinese political rhetoric is clear Visa v. Taiwan.
40:27
Speaker 12: Presidentcy has said as much in all of his proclamations
40:31
Speaker 12: and Party Congress announcements and in other forms of Chinese
40:36
Speaker 12: state craft. We're seeing what would traditionally constitute hostile acts,
40:40
Speaker 12: to include what's happening in cider and threats to critical infrastructure,
40:44
Speaker 12: and indeed what's happening in what many call the gray zone.
40:46
Speaker 12: So if you're to make a strategic calculus around how
40:50
Speaker 12: China is talking Visa v. Taiwan, it's ambitions and what
40:54
Speaker 12: it's actually doing in those non traditional elements of warfare.
40:58
Speaker 12: I think you'd have to come to a judgment that
41:00
Speaker 12: the security situation is at risk and therefore Australia needs
41:03
Speaker 12: to plan accordingly.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for that. We'll speak again Ian
41:09
Speaker 2: Langford there, of course, retired brigadier and you can see
41:12
Speaker 2: how good he is military expert. Or like the break,
41:14
Speaker 2: furious farmers ready to fight against a proposal that will
41:18
Speaker 2: allow power companies open access to their land, plus the
41:22
Speaker 2: whole Daddy Trump thaying foot's taken off, the Maga crowd
41:25
Speaker 2: love it. We'll get to that in a moment. Welcome back.
41:33
Speaker 2: I mean there's leftism, and there's lefties, and then there's
41:35
Speaker 2: absolutely dangerous socialists and that's who the Democrats are just
41:39
Speaker 2: selected as their nominee for the New York mayoralty. Or
41:42
Speaker 2: get to that in a moment. But first to revelations
41:45
Speaker 2: Victorian landowners farmers facing having their properties carved up by
41:49
Speaker 2: these new transmission lines. We've talked about those before, but
41:52
Speaker 2: there's legislation now before the Victorian Parliament that if they
41:55
Speaker 2: don't allow this to happen, if they keep the power
41:58
Speaker 2: companies off their own land, well they could get whacked
42:01
Speaker 2: with fines twelve thousand dollars or more. Now they're already
42:05
Speaker 2: hit by drought and that new emergency services levy brought
42:09
Speaker 2: in by the Allen government. But now this they're at
42:12
Speaker 2: breaking point. Joined me now one at such a farmer
42:15
Speaker 2: from Central Victoria, Glendon Watt Sue's a good friend of
42:18
Speaker 2: this program. So what do you make of this legislation Glendon,
42:22
Speaker 2: that turn up in the Parliament last week?
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Speaker 13: I think it paints a pretty clear picture of heatter
42:29
Speaker 13: of where we're at. It doesn't it desperation stinks. They're desperate.
42:32
Speaker 13: They know they're not getting access. We've got them locked out.
42:35
Speaker 13: And you know, how can they justify a twelve thousand
42:38
Speaker 13: dollars fine? Where is that comparable? Trespassing is four thousand
42:41
Speaker 13: dollars and they're going to slap us with a twelve
42:43
Speaker 13: thousand dollar fine. You know, it's just it's socialism, as
42:47
Speaker 13: you just mentioned New York. I feel it's here at
42:50
Speaker 13: our back door, the Victorian labor government. Where do they stop?
42:53
Speaker 13: Where do they get off? You know, the emergency services tax.
42:55
Speaker 13: They're beating us there. They're beating us with this. They're
42:57
Speaker 13: trying to ram these transmission across our properties. The effects
43:01
Speaker 13: on our businesses are going to be significant.
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Speaker 4: It's terrible.
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Speaker 2: When we spoke in January, when I was at at
43:08
Speaker 2: your farm, I mean everyone was saying to me that
43:11
Speaker 2: they're trying to softly, softly approached, they were trying to
43:14
Speaker 2: buy off farmers. Most of your community were hanging tight together.
43:18
Speaker 2: They were not being bought off, you know, divided your fall,
43:21
Speaker 2: you know, divided. Sorry, they conquered, so everyone had really
43:25
Speaker 2: held together. And clearly that's not worked for the government.
43:30
Speaker 2: So now they're using the big, big stick of finding you.
43:34
Speaker 2: But given it's your own land, I think most Austraians
43:38
Speaker 2: would find this completely unacceptable.
43:41
Speaker 13: Well I think it is, isn't it, Peter. I think
43:43
Speaker 13: you've summed it up. It is unacceptable. You know, where's
43:46
Speaker 13: our basic rights. I'm sure in the Constitution that you
43:48
Speaker 13: can't just have random people accessing your land. They could
43:51
Speaker 13: cut a bolt. They can you know, they cut the
43:53
Speaker 13: padlock and walk through our property at any point.
43:55
Speaker 4: If these laws pass.
43:56
Speaker 13: And that's not democracy, that's not Australian, that's not how
43:59
Speaker 13: it should be. You know, what about the methods or
44:02
Speaker 13: the impacts that they're going to have on our businesses.
44:04
Speaker 13: It's not just about the fact that this transmission lines
44:06
Speaker 13: and issue on itself. It's allowing people to come onto
44:09
Speaker 13: the property that at the wrong time there could be
44:11
Speaker 13: animal welfare issues that could be their own personal risk.
44:13
Speaker 13: What about liability if there's an accent or something. We're
44:16
Speaker 13: going to be reliable for these people entering our property
44:19
Speaker 13: without our consent. It's just terrible. And as you're right,
44:22
Speaker 13: you know, we are united and we're going to stay united,
44:24
Speaker 13: and it's these sorts of policies that make us more united.
44:28
Speaker 13: It's putting fuel on the fire of how wrong this
44:30
Speaker 13: whole project is. And the concern that you know, as
44:33
Speaker 13: you mentioned, they've got we've got drought, we've got impacts
44:36
Speaker 13: in the Middle East are affecting our input costs. We've
44:38
Speaker 13: got these new levies and taxes. There's no let up
44:42
Speaker 13: for the communities in the rural areas. The mental impact
44:45
Speaker 13: is I'm worried about the effects it's having and going
44:48
Speaker 13: to have, and it is and you know where do
44:51
Speaker 13: they get off. They just it's like they've got a
44:52
Speaker 13: hidden agenda to try and crush farmers, push us out
44:55
Speaker 13: of our jobs, out of our industry. That something needs
44:58
Speaker 13: to change with the government. It's just horrendous.
45:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, just quickly. I've put it to the Victorian opposition,
45:05
Speaker 2: what's your position? And you know they bleed it. Does
45:07
Speaker 2: it expect them to do? What's terrible? Terrible terrible? Is
45:09
Speaker 2: it he going to pose it in the parliament or
45:11
Speaker 2: we haven't decided what we're going to do yet, Like, okay,
45:13
Speaker 2: if you oppose it in the parliament, what happens if
45:15
Speaker 2: you're elected next year? Are you going to repeal this
45:17
Speaker 2: legislation if it was to pass? Oh, well, we haven't
45:20
Speaker 2: decided yet. I mean, if you gods are going to fight,
45:23
Speaker 2: surely you need the Liberal Party and the National Party
45:25
Speaker 2: to fight with you.
45:27
Speaker 13: One hundred percent. We do absolutely, and you know we's
45:31
Speaker 13: only so much we can do obviously, and we need
45:33
Speaker 13: them there to support us. You know, they're meant to
45:35
Speaker 13: be for rural regions, the small businesses, you know where's there.
45:39
Speaker 13: They need to take a stand on this. The Labor
45:41
Speaker 13: government have run much for the last you know what,
45:43
Speaker 13: fourteen years or something. It's time we need to change
45:46
Speaker 13: because when I feel it's more and more socialism coming
45:49
Speaker 13: into things and our right's being stripped. Lily is making
45:52
Speaker 13: laws to suit themselves when they can't get access. They
45:54
Speaker 13: just bring in a new law. Why not, Like that's
45:56
Speaker 13: just horrendous. So the lives in the coalition as time came,
46:00
Speaker 13: Let the.
46:03
Speaker 2: Appreciate the spot here on the show any time you
46:07
Speaker 2: want it, all right, I believe that there will come
46:09
Speaker 2: back to the issue. I can tell you what. Well,
46:11
Speaker 2: it's been a big week for the Big Daddy, Donald
46:13
Speaker 2: Trump back in the United States and making the most
46:16
Speaker 2: of a big turnout at NATO. Before we go into
46:24
Speaker 2: nationale going back to country Victoria, my dear dear friend
46:27
Speaker 2: Mick Ginnings has just been nominated for a Bush Summer
46:30
Speaker 2: to Straight in an award. Have a look at it
46:32
Speaker 2: there on the Weekly Times. Terrific blow putting which you
46:35
Speaker 2: proof on the map there going Mick, what let's get
46:37
Speaker 2: into international issues though with my panel coach you guard
46:40
Speaker 2: Michael Danby, both of them here, it's been an extra
46:43
Speaker 2: it's been an extraordinary week. But it's been an extraordinary
46:46
Speaker 2: sort of hour by hour, particularly from Sunday. I remember
46:51
Speaker 2: just watching and all play out and thinking, oh, hell,
46:54
Speaker 2: here we go. This could be weeks and weeks and
46:55
Speaker 2: weeks kosher, but please God, we've got to cease fire
46:59
Speaker 2: that appears to be.
47:01
Speaker 14: It certainly has been. Hour by hour there is in
47:04
Speaker 14: fighting back home.
47:05
Speaker 2: You know, will hear warranty?
47:06
Speaker 14: Are we going to get sucked into something more drawn
47:08
Speaker 14: out that hasn't happened? And the CSFRO doesn't look like
47:10
Speaker 14: it's holding. No boots on the ground, no quagmire, no
47:13
Speaker 14: nukes for Iran, and looks like we're in a pretty
47:17
Speaker 14: good place. People didn't think this maybe a week ago,
47:19
Speaker 14: but I think everybody's coming together now.
47:21
Speaker 2: And if we are going to go back to nothing, right,
47:23
Speaker 2: if the Iranians are left with nothing and no infrastructure,
47:27
Speaker 2: we've got to keep it there. We've got to keep
47:28
Speaker 2: our foot. The world has to keep their foot on
47:30
Speaker 2: their throat.
47:31
Speaker 4: Well, I thought.
47:32
Speaker 6: Secretary Rubio gave a great explanation of how all of
47:35
Speaker 6: the different components have been disassembled, and you just can't
47:37
Speaker 6: go back if you've got four hundred kilograms of fissile material.
47:41
Speaker 6: And there was a great Israeli general interviewed by a
47:44
Speaker 6: mainstream woman host of Fox, one of your colleagues, and
47:49
Speaker 6: she asked him, how is this all going to be enforced?
47:51
Speaker 6: And he said, those that flew can fly again.
47:54
Speaker 2: And the big daddy stuff, I mean that you're an American,
47:57
Speaker 2: give us a line of one American.
48:00
Speaker 14: And then there's Trump. But look, he's riding high. He's
48:04
Speaker 14: as popular as he's ever been, way more than his
48:06
Speaker 14: first term, more than Obama and Bush were in some
48:09
Speaker 14: polls at this point. As presidency just solved their on
48:12
Speaker 14: Israel thing on the back of controversy, goes to NATO,
48:15
Speaker 14: gets them to pay five percent. He was trying two
48:18
Speaker 14: percent last time.
48:18
Speaker 2: So he's stopping up.
48:20
Speaker 6: And the bowling in America's just come out on the
48:23
Speaker 6: reaction to the raid. And for the mega isolationists and
48:27
Speaker 6: for the far left, it's a big problem because it's
48:28
Speaker 6: got like eighty percent support. Yeah, it's not just a
48:31
Speaker 6: conservative poland Trafalgar, it's the other ones too.
48:34
Speaker 14: And so these people, these creators create these funny videos
48:37
Speaker 14: and he tweets them from the bulle pulpit of the
48:39
Speaker 14: United States Presidency, which adds.
48:41
Speaker 2: Aer you had no doubt what he thinks, because he
48:43
Speaker 2: is you know, you know, it's him on.
48:46
Speaker 6: The including the B two flying playing the Beach Boys
48:50
Speaker 6: song Bom No one will get away.
48:54
Speaker 2: It's quickly. Someone said to me, Peter, have a look
48:56
Speaker 2: at this Democrat nominee for the job in New York
48:59
Speaker 2: as mayor. He makes Sidik Khan in London look like
49:03
Speaker 2: a right winger. Oh, can you tell me.
49:05
Speaker 14: About him as a longtime New Yorker? This one cuts deep.
49:08
Speaker 14: So he's thirty three years old, came out of nowhere,
49:10
Speaker 14: has done all sorts of different things, community organizing, advocacy
49:13
Speaker 14: for foreclosures, a TikTok or, a filmmaker, a rapper. But
49:16
Speaker 14: the bottom line is he is very socialist his positions,
49:20
Speaker 14: some would even say communist. Who wants free housing with
49:22
Speaker 14: no idea of how to play for how he would
49:24
Speaker 14: pay for it. People shouldn't pay for buses in New
49:26
Speaker 14: York City that would cost billions of dollars. New York
49:28
Speaker 14: City has one hundred million dollar deficit. And also there's
49:31
Speaker 14: another point here about the downstream effects of immigration and
49:34
Speaker 14: the experiment of multiculturalism, where you have these iconic cities
49:37
Speaker 14: from London to Calgary to Rotter down to New York
49:40
Speaker 14: electing mayors. He's not elected yet, but he looks like
49:42
Speaker 14: he's well on his way to doing that. That I
49:44
Speaker 14: think is the elephant in the room as well.
49:46
Speaker 2: And it changes the time of a country. And of
49:48
Speaker 2: course we've got a massive Jewish population in New York.
49:50
Speaker 2: Will Field on the street.
49:51
Speaker 6: Well, there's also Mayor Adams is running again. He's got
49:55
Speaker 6: some charges against him.
49:56
Speaker 4: And then there's.
49:59
Speaker 6: Kosh Will know he's not better, but the famous Guardian
50:01
Speaker 6: angel with the red hat who's.
50:03
Speaker 2: Running for the Republican.
50:04
Speaker 6: He won't, that's true, but it's still what a colorful race.
50:08
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. It's been a big week. That's
50:11
Speaker 2: it for me. I'm not around next week, but I
50:13
Speaker 2: will be back just topic a week off. Look forward
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Speaker 2: to seeing you then. Have a lovely weekend.