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#298 - For Azeroth!: “Rant Notes" · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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I think we should, we should ask the Blizzard devs if we can do a
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roast, like if we can invite some of them onto the show.
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And it's just to be like, hey, I died to this.
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Why did you do that? Yeah.
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Excuse me, did you make these these leafy Moss in Fungal
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Folly? I can't see the green squirrels
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under it. You know, you know when the
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perfect time is for that BlizzCon, because I swear half
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the questions are, hey, I'm from US Tigerian and I died.
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What's the deal with that Betsen for the Karen tour?
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For. Pandaria.
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For calendar to. The burning region for Gilnaeus,
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but has not died for the Lich King.
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For the. Sindora for the Alliance for the
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Horn for Azeroth Hello and welcome to another episode of
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For Azeroth. I am one of your hosts, Manny
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AKA de Truvan Manny, and joining me are the other two members of
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the Triumphant. We have, of course, hailing from
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the woods in places unknown. We're not going to dox you.
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It is Lex. How are you Lex?
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It's me, I'm great. I've doxed myself so many times
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if we're calling my state dock thing, but thank you for your
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support and appreciate it and and respect Manny.
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We love and support that. I'm great.
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I'm having so much fun. I am like 150 pages into play
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nice and I am now thinking about Blizzard 24/7.
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Oh, wow. OK, OK, well, you know what we
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just did? We just created a reason for
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people to go into the back catalog.
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So we'll just keep it off the record today.
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I I do want to pick your brain about the play.
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Nice. I didn't get it myself.
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I would like to read that at some point, but I I'm wondering.
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I'm not even kidding. No, no, I'll, I'll, I'll get my
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own copy. I've heard some things about it,
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but yeah, joining us from the East Coast, from places that we
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will not mention just to avoid Daxing.
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Sean, How are you, Sean? I'm sick.
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Lex got me sick. You are sick, busty.
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I've seen you play. Aw snap.
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Yeah, we're doing dungeons together.
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I'm doing good. We had a bank meeting today to
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see if we could afford cottage and they said yes.
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So we're going to look at a cottage on Friday which will
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probably live in year round because it has high speed
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Internet. It's like.
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This is this isn't the one you got the builders to do, right?
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Now this isn't the one that we're building.
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This is a different. So the one we're building is an
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hour and a half from our house. This would be 3 hours from our
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house, but it's like deep woods and on a lake with a little bit
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of acreage, so it's goodness. We could have like the recruit a
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Friend triangle. That's like the triangulation of
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all three of your properties. Yeah, well, I don't own the
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other one. My father owns the other one,
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but. OK.
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Yeah, sorry that that's inherited property, we don't
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count. Yeah.
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You know, Sean, just. Till generational easier just
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give it generation. Right, like then it's just not a
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worry. Like just.
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Like you can go live here, our rent is very cheap.
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I mean clearly you have 3 houses.
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No, I I don't. I have one.
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Oh, oh, I'm sorry. Oh, oh, we, we.
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I only have one house and a cottage.
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The other ones from my dad. Oh no, only one house and a
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cottage. No.
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No, I can remember. Sean is technically correct.
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He only has one place. The other one the builders
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haven't finished yet and the other one, the banks just okayed
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it so far. Yeah, so like he doesn't
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actually. So like, Sean's technically
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correct and he has one on technicality, but it's true.
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And other than your investment property pyramid scheme you've
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got going, how has the world of workout been treating you?
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Wow's been great Manny. I had a great week last week.
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Did some dungeons with Lex and some friends of ours.
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Raids going really well. We got oven axe down to 18%
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which is good. Stolen like 350 guilds have
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killed him so or it I don't know if it's him.
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That feels pretty good and I'm ascending on EU as a resto
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druid. I just hit 612 item level today
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and yeah, having a blast playing with friends living it up.
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Slight aside but still relevant, the World of Warcraft, Rude
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Twister. All these bosses in the raid, I
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feel like they got next to 0 introduction.
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I'm used to like them kind of showing up ahead of the raid and
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being like oh ho ho I'll face you later heroes.
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And then we show up in the raid, it's like, OK, we get to do our
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like comeback Brutwister never saw before.
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No, no sort of lore other than like, you know what you see in
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the little dungeon journal? You kind of like read up on
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that. I would have loved the Silken
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court to like have shown up before those two bickering.
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I love it during the fight. I want more.
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I wanted more. So like, I wish, I wish we had
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gotten more of that at least in Ascahat, if not like a little
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bit before, because like I believe that one member of this,
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the silken court is the one that we fight right when Dallaran
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comes crashing down, right? And so I was expecting, so I was
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expecting the the his counterpart to have shown up
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somewhere along the way, but we just didn't quite get it.
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And I feel like that was a miss team.
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Yeah, though I I was with a friend.
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He raids in a Guild that's like for new people or returning
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players, like get their feet back in the raid.
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And as the raid leader was explaining each boss, he would
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give like a lore hit or pulling the boss.
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So like, here's the mechanics. Here's what we're going to do.
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Here's the fight works. Here's your lore hit.
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And he would he That's when I first found out that a new Brash
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and Takaji aren't friends, that they actually, when they're
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doing their thing, whether in the middle, they're trying to
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kill each other and we just happen to be caught in the room
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with them. That's pretty cool.
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Yeah, no, it it's it's pretty awesome.
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But Speaking of the raid, we have seen actually a number of
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nerfs. Now.
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I know a little bit behind the curtains guys, I totally am
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going out of order in the notes that Lex spent time to build.
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Ages building these beautiful notes in perfect order, and
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somebody decided that we're going to talk about the rain.
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Bye bad many all yours go crazy. So we're going to we're going to
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pull this out of order, but we actually saw some nerfs for the
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silken court as well as as Queen.
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So like we're seeing that in heroic and and mythic.
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And so the fights are getting a little bit easier.
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Should be easier for people to get these down specifically
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though with the silken court, some huge bugs came up, and I'm
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not talking about the actual bosses before.
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Let's get that joke out out again.
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I'm talking about mechanical bugs that in one case were
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absolutely exploitive. And what it was that was that if
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you tanked the boss in the center, when he moved into
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intermission, he would absolutely freeze up and not do
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anything further. You would basically be
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eliminating one boss from the from the equation.
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Which like, honestly, me when I'm when everyone's looking at
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me like so fair, right? Like I am somewhere I don't
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expect to be surrounded by 20 folks I don't know.
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Done gone rest of the fight over.
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I'm sorry, Manny, you go. No, no, it's totally fine.
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I just, I just think it's. It.
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It's the weirdest fight to do because like, if that fight had
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been extended just a little bit longer if you didn't have the
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damage to really really push through.
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Aren't some of his moves required in order to stop the
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white mechanic from the other boss?
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Or is it like in phase 3 she saw no.
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It's the opposite. It's the opposite.
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It's where you need the two strings to stop him charging.
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Yeah, but you can just break all the strings.
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Because it's only in phase two where she's like ultimate power
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and you have to take the swarms and dispel onto her.
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Yeah, but she casts the swarms. She cast the swarms.
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I think maybe he does OK because we just talked about how they
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hate each other and I had always thought that it was one of the.
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McCann. That would screw the other one.
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He must cast the swarms. You're right.
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That's exactly right. Yeah.
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Yeah, you're right. Sorry.
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Do the swarms interrupt something or is it just that if
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you don't dispel them they're going to wipe your team?
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Now we know Alexis like moved away from healing and no longer
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cares. But.
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Yeah. Go ahead, John, explain this
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one. If you so these Takage starts
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that cast, Cataclysms end or something, I don't know what
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it's called, the cast in the middle.
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You need to dispel those on her to interrupt that cast.
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When you dispel the swarms on her, it stuns her.
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So yeah, you must be right, Manny, because it is her webs
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that stop Anubha Raj's charges. He has to be the one and he is
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the bug one. Those are the bug ones.
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Those beetle ones are the ones that cast the swarm.
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So you're right, it's definitely that swarm.
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He's got the Legion, she's got the magic, and so like,
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unfortunately this bug shows up late enough in the fight that
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that doesn't matter. People are able to push through
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and basically ignore half of the the boss mechanic in there.
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I think everything stops. I think like all of the timers
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break and he just sits in the middle of the room and can kill.
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Oh, that is ridiculous. Nothing like like nothing else
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was happening. He's just in the middle of the
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room as a target dummy. If you want to see an action
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humble stream to this on Twitch. The Guild humble, you can just
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track down one of those streamers and watch Watch the
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kill. They're not so humble if they're
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streaming in this kind of exploit.
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I think it was accidental. I don't think they did it on
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purpose. You can hear in their calms as
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it's happening. They're like, what do we do?
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Do we kill it? Do we not kill it?
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Obviously you kill it. Oh, you re I would be.
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Oh, no, I would be, especially if I was streaming.
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I would be like desperately curious as to what would happen
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if I keep going. Like, yeah.
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You kill. Obviously I don't think they
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should get to keep the kill as like you know you did this, but
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that's a cool bug to watch live. I would 100% keep pushing it.
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I think if you unintentionally. And then report it.
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If you, well, you report it for sure, but I think if you
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unintentionally find a bug, you take the kill, you get the W,
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It's not your fault. You know, if you're
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intentionally exploiting like some people were doing with PvP
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weapons to get kills on other bosses that they maybe didn't
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earn, then that's different. But yeah, I think in this case
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it's fine to take that kill. OK, yeah, no, I guess I don't
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know. I'd like me.
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Maybe I'm too much of a Boy Scout, that that's why I'm the
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true villain, Manny. That's what this is.
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And. It's true.
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Boy Scouts are notoriously villains.
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One thing everyone knows about Boy Scouts and rural followers?
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They're the bad guys. I mean, you live in the US, but
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we'll leave that alone. Sean, tell me about this PvP
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exploit thing. How in the world was this
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happening? What's what's going on there?
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I don't PvP so I don't really know.
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I just know that there was PvP items that people were using in
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the raid that were breaking boss mechanics.
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There's one that's like a web a grip thing.
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It pulls a mob to you and they were using that on the bosses
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and then breaking boss mechanics and then killing boss.
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Bosses weren't immune to a forced movement.
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Whoa, yeah. Yeah.
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And I mean, this was obviously, if you're going in to test this,
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that's exploitative. You're you're hoping that this
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works. And then word spread around the,
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you know, the dark web of competitive Wow and a lot of
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teams, it's not going to kill. They maybe didn't earn.
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OK, well, that requires some pot fixing for sure.
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In this case, would you say I'll gotten gains, get pulled back,
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people lose loot or like this is just like a well, it happened.
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So they're they're kind of stuck with it.
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So in that case, I think you rollback a kill, remove the loot
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from it. I think that's fair, because
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that's something you're intentionally hoping to find a
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bug. You're intentionally hoping to
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find an exploit. Yeah, I'm OK with that.
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Maybe reset a raid lock code in case somebody's extending.
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Yeah, I don't have a lot of time for bad actors, accidental bugs
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that you find that's you found you stumbled upon something, go
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for it. It's like if you fall through
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the world, you weren't hoping to fall through the world, you just
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fell through the world. But this is like you're when
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you're intentionally using items that are meant for another game
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mode in this game mode, That's that's that's in bad faith.
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I'm having a whole moral crisis because I'm on record in this
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podcast saying that if you like, if if Blizzard fails to close a
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a a gap or fix an issue, I guess I don't think people should be
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punished for that per SE, but I do don't.
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I also don't think they should like be rewarded for it.
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I guess I'm not having a moral dilemma.
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I'm when I'm morally perfect. I've never been a hypocrite in
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my life. I'm so consistent.
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Yeah, I agree. I think that you shouldn't get
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like rewards and you also shouldn't get titles or like
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benefits. Like you know, you shouldn't be
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counted as like X number kill if you exploited kill.
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So that's not fair to your fellow players.
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Yeah, the non cheaters, Yeah, OK.
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So I'm going to put that to the test, Lex, they decide to roll
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this back, but they can't do it with a client side to fix it has
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to go through on with the reset. So Tuesday is the next week.
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Tuesday is the earliest that they can make this sort of
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effect. Now they're going to lose a
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lockout, right? Do you take back the loot in
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that situation? I I may be confused about the
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scenario you're giving. OK, so they they kill it today.
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Let's say they kill it today using using the PvP stuff.
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So it's been out for days. This hypothetical team kills it
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today. It's been fixed for the record.
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No, but being just trying to break my moral.
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Yeah. OK.
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I got you. Got you, Got you.
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OK. Right, we're we're.
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Prefixed now. OK, I'm with you.
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So like, they do it today, it gets fixed tomorrow, but now
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you've got a team that clearly was exploiting, has gotten loot
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from it, right? But you can't pull back their
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rewards until the next reset. But by doing that, you've now
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robbed them of the time that they could use in the next
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couple of days to clear it legitimately and therefore not
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be behind on loot. Do they lose the loot and on?
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So I think, I think that you're yes, I think they do lose the
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loot. I think the, if I'm
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understanding what your hypothetical is trying to pull
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out of me, maybe a donut. But anyway, yeah, you, you take
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the loot from them and you take the like.
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I, I think it's OK to remove things that you got in bad
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faith. I don't think that you should
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get punished beyond that, right? I think that if you're doing
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like the frog exploit in time running, you should not you like
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you can absolutely like strip people of a certain amount of
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benefits from what they did during that time, especially if
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it happens after, you know, Blizzard says don't do that.
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But you don't ban people. It's my, I mean, like you do
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sometimes if you're Blizzard. And that was when we got into
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this whole, I remember exactly what it was.
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But there was a thing where Blizzard was banning people,
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which in retrospect, I think that was more because they were
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like taunting Blizzard online, which, yeah, bam, that's
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hilarious. That's so funny.
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Yeah. If you're going to ask Blizzard,
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what are you going to do about it?
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And Blizzard does think about it.
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That's cute. Like, that's so sexy with them.
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Thank you so much, Blizzard. Yeah, you can.
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You can break most of my morals if you make it very funny.
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That's not true. That's not true.
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Don't quote me on that, but like you kind of can't.
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Make her laugh and then you can make her absolutely immoral, OK?
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That's actually so fair of you. All right, well, those those
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have both been fixed, and I'm glad.
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I dislike reporting on stuff before it gets fixed.
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Just like there are times when Wowhead will put out an article
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and it'll be like this big exploit is like, please Wowhead,
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could you just have like just delayed a little bit to give
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Blizzard time to like patch that hole before you speak on it?
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So I'm glad this is all done and in the past so that we aren't
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teams doing this. I know some people live by the
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the motto of exploit often exploit early, but that is OK in
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places. But these are clearly beyond
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anything that any of us are agreeing to.
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So there you go. Now let's talk about the Anserak
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nerves. Because after we got past
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Silicon Council, these teams were now on Queen Anserak and
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Queen Anserak has received a number of nerves.
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So who wants to take this one? I can, yeah.
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All right. It's Nerf city if you're queen.
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Ansarek basically sums it up. There's only one change that
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really I think is worth talking about.
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The rest of it is like health reduction, damage reduction,
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sort of across the board, which is standard nerfs that you see
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every cycle because we have to tune the game for professionals
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and then for semi professionals and then for normies.
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So we're in the center professional tuning phase, so
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expect some more nerfs before it's normally killable.
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But the one I want to talk about is the one that is probably the
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most important for heroic teams and for mythic teams that are
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looking to sell AOTC carries and for people who are who have been
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waiting to buy an AOTC carry because prices right now are
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exorbitant. And that is when calculating
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applications of Fraley Toxin, only living players are counted
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towards the maximum possible application amount on Heroic and
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mythic difficulties. What does this mean?
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On heroic, she summons those two green circles. 50% of the raid
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has to be in each circle and then you get booped up in the
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air to dodge the waves if the numbers are off and you're not
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50% split. If it's an uneven raid, one off
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is fine. You get extra stacks of a dot
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when you land. It'll wipe your raid in almost
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every case, so it's super important that people are the
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same. What this used to mean is that
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if anybody died in P1, it was almost a guaranteed wipe because
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now you had uneven numbers in these groups because it counted
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your whole raid size. This change means anybody who
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dies in P1 no longer counts towards the split that you have
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to have in those puddles, which means if you're a Guild selling
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carries, you can have all of your buyers tag the boss and
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jump off and you're good. If you're somebody who is
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looking to buy a carry, prices should drop now, hopefully
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because this makes it easier for those teams to do it.
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But more importantly, for heroic teams who are still progging
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answer who haven't yet secured AOTC, This means their P ones
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aren't an entire waste of time because of one death early on
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because somebody stood in a puddle.
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So this is a huge change for teams looking to get their AOTC
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and it's a quality of life change for those teams in the in
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the market of of helping to provide AOTC for for non
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Raiders. Yeah, I think it's a great
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change and it's honestly should have.
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I've only gone that way in Heroic the whole time, but.
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Yeah, I think that feels a lot like an error, like just
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somebody coded something wrong and they didn't think about it
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until the end. I will say I do think that's
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funny. I think it should, there should
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be more mechanics that if one person dies, they're just like,
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well, you're all screwed. So that's why we don't.
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That's why we don't stand in the fire.
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Yeah, everybody thank Lex. This is why we're wiping.
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I mean, like the, the, the worst one was when because my team is
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progging on this and it's like, oh crap, life grip that person
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over. They went to the wrong circle,
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that sort of thing where that would cause issues because if
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you're one person in the wrong circle, you're now lopsided and
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that adds more stacks than if they were just not in a circle
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at all. So it's like, it is, it is
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something that I'm glad they made that change.
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It's going to help my team secure AOTC hopefully this week.
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Nice. Good luck.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Yeah. Like, I think that these nerves
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are great. I think my team would have been
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able to get through it eventually.
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It's just going to be a lot less headache now with these changes
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in place. So glad for that.
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OK. I actually think it.
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Sorry, I just want to side tangent a little bit.
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I think it'll help, It'll help teams progress, not just because
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it's more forgiving, but not having when you go into a
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situation and you're like, I absolutely cannot make a mistake
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here or it screws this pole for the entire team, removing that,
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you play a little bit more, a little bit more relaxed and you
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play better. You're not so on edge, you're
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not so tight. So I think it it has a
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mechanical benefit, but I think it will also have a mental
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benefit on those teams as well. That's really true.
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I will say maybe this is just my team, but like realistically in
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a final boss with high degrees of complexity, if you you lose
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anyone to phase one, you're probably not getting like
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especially not an AOTC, right? Like you might be able to get it
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later down the line, but you're not getting your first kill If
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if basically anyone screws up in phase one that that was true in
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Tenatrius. That was true in Silvanus.
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That's pretty consistently true. However, what this does is this
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lets you practice further on, right?
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Like that's what I was thinking of when I was thinking of this
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is like less, Oh, this will mean that we can actually lose people
22:14
in phase one and win the fight and more.
22:16
This means we can lose like, you know, I, I again, maybe this is
22:19
my team, but very frequently we have situations where it's like
22:21
half the team is down and we're like, well, we're going to keep
22:23
pushing because we need to start seeing intermission.
22:25
We need to start seeing phase three.
22:27
We start seeing what what comes next so the people can start
22:29
understanding all the weird things we saw in the video and
22:32
all the weird things that the officers were saying to us
22:34
before we started pulling. And I think having that in the.
22:37
Strat Hold on. You mean the strategy, the
22:39
things the officers were saying, the weird things?
22:42
When OK when somebody describes Strat and you don't see it.
22:45
Oh my God, Lex. It's hard to know what's going
22:48
on. Like they're like, OK, these
22:50
puddles are going to go over like any date.
22:53
I think I'm valid. Do your.
22:54
Officers listen to this podcast first of.
22:57
All, I am an officer, Sean. OK, OK.
23:02
But second of all, actually no, I don't think so.
23:05
OK, that's probably for the best.
23:08
We're about to get a a review on iTunes, just being like, yeah,
23:13
Lex, yeah, we listen. No this.
23:16
Here's a link to our logs, specifically lex deaths because.
23:21
OK, maybe YouTube video of Lexus IS?
23:24
Dying. Come on, come on time.
23:26
When? Mechanics are complicated,
23:27
you're not like stacking things going on.
23:30
If you don't see them it's often hard to understand what people
23:33
are actually saying. Right?
23:35
Like you can try to describe these visual things as much as
23:37
you want, but it often kind of sounds like word salad until you
23:41
walk in and then you're like oh that's what they meant by the
23:44
green circle but not the blue circle right?
23:45
Like then it starts to come together, it starts to make
23:48
sense. If we could all gather Strat
23:50
without any practice without seeing it, everyone would be
23:53
getting AOTC the first time they saw a queen Anzerec.
23:55
That's true. Sometimes you get a nume off an
23:57
edge before you understand this is bad.
24:00
I feel bad for whoever exists explaining the strats to Lex and
24:06
her team. And Lex, I understand that this
24:09
may be not something you're, you know, but there is a cartoon
24:15
Charlie Brown Peanuts where the adults would just go and or
24:21
like, OK, you know, that TikTok video, let's go, let's go a
24:24
little more recent. I know that TikTok video where
24:27
it's where it's just the meme of that one, that one blonde girl
24:30
who just sees the math going off and it's like, what in the
24:33
world's going on do you think? That's a TikTok Manny.
24:36
Do you think that all short form?
24:38
That's a GIF. OK, I've used to.
24:40
I've seen it in multiple things. No, like like those are called
24:43
tik Toks. Those little short videos.
24:46
GIF's a peanut butter. The problem with the math is a
24:49
GIF. What are we?
24:50
Talking. About GIF is a.
24:51
GIF is a peanut butter. GIF is a peanut butter.
24:57
GIF is a peanut butter GIF. Some people pronounce it GIF,
25:00
Some people pronounce it GIF, Some people pronounce it GIF.
25:04
OK, though we go into stuff, we will not be going into the
25:09
correct pronunciation of this word.
25:13
Okay, I. Mean the creator pronounces the
25:15
jif. I don't care what the creator
25:18
says, creators can be wrong regardless.
25:21
Moving on. I agree, getting in that
25:26
practice definitely helps for teams and for people who learn
25:30
through repetition or visually. So 100% everything you said is
25:35
correct, including the pronunciation of that word.
25:37
That said though, I think that this fight outside of stuff in
25:43
phase three on on heroic is pretty killable now for a lot of
25:50
teams. Though of course, this is all
25:52
relative, there are people who will find their mileage greatly
25:58
varies from mine, and my team is currently progressing on that.
26:04
So maybe I get deeper into phase three and I realize, my
26:08
goodness, what have I said? I'm totally wrong and I'll be
26:10
eating crow. But Sean, you've been through
26:13
this with this change. Do you think that this is like
26:17
the most impactful change that they could have made to make
26:19
this fight killable if they only made one change?
26:23
Yeah, I think this is if you're only if you can only change 1
26:26
mechanic. This is the one that most
26:28
negatively effects teams and it affects them early on in Prague,
26:31
which is the difference. You can realistically kill her
26:34
on your first time in P3 if you have the, if you know the
26:37
movements, you've properly planned it out.
26:39
I think we only hit P3 three times I want to say before our
26:42
kill. Don't quote me on that.
26:44
I can go check the logs. Maybe it was more but it felt
26:46
felt like 3. You killed it first week.
26:48
I'm assuming that this fight wasn't going to be a blockade
26:50
for you anyways. No, but it's like P3P3 I think
26:56
is fair. The only there's nothing in P3
26:58
that you're going to be like, oh man, this is tough, I can't do
27:00
this. I think if we see a nerf in P3,
27:03
it'll be there's three AD spiders that come down, they're
27:07
shielded. You have to nuke the Shields and
27:08
kick them and then when they die they drop an essence and you
27:11
have to carry that through the portal.
27:13
No, if there's. They explode if you don't carry
27:17
them through the portal. If you leave it on the ground
27:20
when the circle closes in, it blows up the weird raid wipes.
27:24
So three different people have to pick them up.
27:26
And Nope, you can't carry the same 1 twice, or a person can't
27:29
carry an essence twice. So if you do 2 sets of those
27:33
spiders and there's two, there's six people who have to carry
27:35
them anyway. If there is a nerf MP3 I suspect
27:40
it'll be one less ascendant that spawns is my guess.
27:48
The spiders seem fine of the teleports that the portal
27:51
section seems fine, the web spikes seem fine.
27:53
That would be. I would say that's probably the
27:55
most difficult part of E3 is those three ads.
27:59
So if we see any more nerves for heroic, and I have no reason to
28:03
think we will, but if we do, my guess is it would be to remove
28:06
one of those ascendants. Just generally for this raid,
28:09
how are we feeling? Do we like this raid Lex?
28:12
Yeah, I'm having a lot of fun with it.
28:14
I've had to miss a little bit because I was sick and I'm more
28:17
of a baby than Sean, so I didn't get out of bed when I was sick.
28:21
But I'm having, I'm very excited.
28:23
I'm having a ton of fun. We just finished the Princess,
28:27
so we're a little behind you too.
28:29
But we you know, I think that's kind of when it starts to become
28:33
complicated and things start to have like a lot of steps you
28:37
have to do perfectly, which I like, right?
28:39
I don't, I, I, I only AOTC raid and I enjoy when that gets
28:44
pushed to, you know, not so close to the end of the season
28:47
that we start, you know, having really scary conversations
28:50
behind closed doors of like, how are we going to make it happen?
28:52
So we can get at least some people AOTC, but at least far
28:56
enough down into the season that I feel like I spent the majority
28:59
of the season rating without spending the majority of the
29:01
season redoing things. So I like it when they're
29:04
challenging and funky and weird and hard to get your hands
29:06
around and you hit your head against the wall for a few weeks
29:10
and then you come back one week and you're like, Oh, that's what
29:14
we meant. That's what the weird thing the
29:15
officers were saying on voice was.
29:17
I got you. So I'm, I'm having a good time
29:19
and I'm excited about the degree of difficulty we have
29:22
personally. And then for Sean, how's your
29:27
feeling? From a heroic perspective, I
29:29
think this might be the most fun I've had in a raid since
29:32
original Carazan. It is by far the most enjoyable
29:38
heroic experience I've had since coming back to the game in
29:42
Nyalatha and on a mythic level. I am also so far enjoying the
29:47
fights up to Ovenx, but I really wish Blizzard had been able to
29:57
figure out this difficulty wall thing that they said they were
30:01
going to fix after last season. I'm not talking about season 4,
30:06
Amir Giselle. You know, Smoulder On was like a
30:09
really, really tough fight. And then Tindra was a massive
30:12
wall. Like Smoulder On was pretty
30:13
tough. There were a lot of guilds that
30:14
broke up. Six of nine they couldn't get
30:15
down Smoulder On That was it syndrome was really tough.
30:20
And you know, the cost just came out and said we understand.
30:22
We don't want that to be this this to be the case.
30:24
We want there to be a gradual increase in difficulty
30:27
throughout the whole raid. That is, it's worse this year.
30:30
Now that wall happens at four of eight.
30:32
So guilds are blasting their way to four of eight and then
30:35
there's 1100 guilds stuck at four of eight and only 350 have
30:40
killed Ovenax. And then it's like like 100 plus
30:44
maybe that have killed Kiveza after Ovenax.
30:47
And I get it. You want these fights to be
30:49
tough for the world first teams and they made a bunch of nerves
30:52
to Ovanax. But the nerves didn't affect the
30:55
biggest problem on Ovanax, which is you need to have two blood
30:59
death Knights or you need to have rather two blood death
31:04
Knights or a third tank kill this boss.
31:07
And that is such a huge miss and it's such a massive wall.
31:12
I don't know what they're going to have to do to nerf it to make
31:14
it killable for for regular guilds that don't have this, but
31:17
This is why if you're anybody who's doing a lot of pugging in
31:20
keys right now, you're seeing so many Blood Death Knights gearing
31:22
up because it's teams who need to get a character ready to do
31:25
this. Well, I I got to ask you, what
31:29
makes those Death Knights? What makes that three tank
31:31
strategy like the thing? It's the so it's not the three,
31:35
it's the it's the when you if you do a three tank Strat, it's
31:39
a blood death knight, some other tank and then either a blood
31:43
Death knight or Avengers demon high with chains.
31:45
It's the grips because right now you have to, you have to grip
31:49
the parasites in under the boss. Every time you spawn a set of
31:52
parasites, you need the mass grip and then you chain CC them
31:56
so they don't infest people. Without that mass grip, they
31:58
basically run rampant around the raid and it makes it way too
32:02
hard to to get them under control.
32:05
And I say a vengeance Stephen Hunter, but I don't think to
32:08
date that a Guild has killed it with one.
32:10
I think it's still theoretical that a Vengeance Stephen Hunter
32:12
running chains would be able to do it.
32:14
Because chains is bitsy right? Like I don't know much about
32:17
gorphines, but change is not that powerful.
32:19
Gorphines is also not very wide. What you do is you have up until
32:23
this week or up until next week, you have a boom kin and an
32:26
invoker knock every set of parasites in that you spawn.
32:29
So if you spawn 2 sets or three sets, they knock them in.
32:33
Boom kins can do every set. Evokers could do every set if
32:36
they're talented into 45 second wing buffet.
32:39
But as of next pack, as of Tuesday, Wing buffet no longer
32:44
is able to be used at 45 seconds a minute.
32:46
So now you're going to have to anybody who's been bragging with
32:49
that is now going to have to have a third knocker to fill in
32:51
on those ones. Yeah, it's I.
32:56
Elemental shaman wouldn't work. Elemental Shaman probably works,
33:00
I don't know if it's. Just not 2 directional could
33:03
send them flying everywhere and so.
33:04
It's more dangerous. Yeah, I I actually think I might
33:08
say Ovanax is it's I'm not in on oven X, so I don't have the I
33:14
can't say for sure. And my team spirits are
33:17
relatively high. I don't think it's a good fight
33:21
design. Any fight design that required
33:25
requires two specific classes or one class doubled to be in.
33:31
It's not good design. There needs to be multiple ways
33:32
to get around it, and in this case there's just not.
33:35
The weird thing is that there it sounds like, if I'm
33:37
understanding what you're saying correctly, they are just did
33:41
nerf one of the ways to work around it right if they.
33:45
Yeah, I know they made it. Yeah, they just made it harder.
33:46
They made the fight harder. Surprising, since when you're
33:50
describing all this, I'm like, that must be a mistake, right?
33:52
Like somebody didn't think something through but that.
33:55
I think it's yeah. It's unintentional.
33:57
It's unrelated. It's like, it's like, hey, this
34:01
class needs some adjustments here.
34:04
And then it's like, oh, but that was one of the classes that was
34:06
making this current strategy possible.
34:09
Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, so.
34:11
Preservation of Ochre was so strong.
34:13
And then we talked about this last week or the week before the
34:16
Preservation of Ochre nerves came through.
34:17
And I said on that show that if they nerf Preservation of Ochre
34:21
and they don't nerf the bosses, some of these bosses will be
34:24
unkillable because you don't have the Preservation of Ochre's
34:25
carrying through that healing. And today we're looking at
34:29
damage reductions from 5% to 50% on every ability that Answer act
34:34
does. So I don't know how they fix
34:37
Ovanex to not require it without making the parasites held so low
34:41
that they're trivial, but. Yeah, they did that speed.
34:46
They did that speed nerf. I think maybe if they continue
34:49
with that so that they're easier to kite for longer, that might
34:53
help a little bit or at least make it so that you could wait
34:57
that extra 15 seconds to then be able to use the push or
35:00
whatever. I don't know it like it could be
35:02
just the mobility of them that could that could make a
35:04
difference. Or hey, add in the vulnerability
35:07
that when they're stunned they take extra damage.
35:09
Who knows? Oh, that would be smart.
35:10
Oh wait, I really like that Manny.
35:12
Hey, this this is the to the dev who listens to this thought that
35:17
would sound That's cute. Festive.
35:22
So yeah, we're expecting to see some more nerves clearly with
35:25
the changes coming up with the anniversary, hopefully they do
35:30
do more of those. We're also going to see probably
35:33
some teams that are like shifting over to get loot from
35:37
the new raid as well. I haven't seen the itemization
35:41
of that to say to see if there's any like cool trinkets or
35:45
weapons with procs that people will be chasing after.
35:47
But they could shake things up and maybe give some teams extra
35:52
loot to help push through. But again, that's normal, Heroic
35:58
15 man doesn't do mythic and so therefore is unlikely to make
36:02
the changes at the mythic level where this is really the
36:05
struggle for people. With that said, we just talked
36:08
about the 20th anniversary. We should get into that.
36:12
But before we do, Sean, I'd like to take some time to thank a
36:17
very special iTunes review. Would you be able to take care
36:21
of this? Yeah, I get to read this.
36:24
That's hype. Thanks, Manny.
36:26
We got an iTunes review, folks. If you want to leave a review
36:29
for FAZ, you can do that on iTunes or Spotify or wherever
36:32
you listen to podcasts. And we promise if Manny finds
36:34
it, and he probably will, we'll read it on the show.
36:37
This one came in this week from Shimmers, who is a Spoiler alert
36:42
fan favorite amongst the hosts of the show.
36:46
And before this review, I do. And now we're not supposed to
36:50
talk about the ranking of the listeners that we have in our
36:53
private. Ranking, all right?
36:57
Well, there's no obvious bottom, but there is no higher ranking.
37:01
Anyway, Shimmers wrote this something I'm going to read for
37:04
you now. I stumbled upon Faz the word the
37:07
end of Dragon Flight. I've been hooked since my first
37:09
listen, but five years ago I was introduced to the World of
37:12
Warcraft. Becoming competitive in this
37:14
game, I quickly learned the importance of outside resources
37:17
to enhance playing experience, but finding FAZ is so much more.
37:21
The details of what's going on are there, but Manny, Lex, and
37:23
Sean go so much further. They read a wide, they reach a
37:26
wide audience of player types, draw my attention to components
37:29
of the game I hadn't considered along my own path, and keep a
37:32
healthy outlook that reminds us that our own goals in this game
37:35
are not universally everyone's aspirations.
37:38
This multi dimensional review of what's going on in the game is a
37:41
healthy outlook for all of us who are looking to grow the game
37:43
and keep it going for years to come.
37:46
Whether it's a slow afternoon listen at home or a pleasant
37:49
escape from your daily commute, this is essential listening for
37:51
any Wild player to find additional pleasure beyond the
37:53
game screen. It doesn't stop there.
37:56
The Fast Community discord is excellent as well.
37:58
Several listeners get in on the discussion and that triumvirate,
38:01
as they're lovingly known, pop in and get involved in these
38:04
discussions as well. Thanks to all three for being
38:06
one of the best hours or two of my wow experience each week.
38:09
Y'all rock. Thank you Shimmers.
38:11
I have put you up three spots personally on my ranking list.
38:14
That doesn't exist. I believe Lex did 5 Manny.
38:20
Manny's not gonna he. Does not maintain a list.
38:24
Manny's the only non-toxic one among us.
38:26
That's right. That's right.
38:28
But if you guys want to donate, no, never mind, never mind.
38:34
With that said, let's go to our first on the list and last in
38:38
reading order. Lex, let's talk about Zekfir cuz
38:43
you just ahead of the show did some on the spot research for
38:47
us. So tell us about this.
38:48
Yeah, so Zekfir is arguably nerfed more so this poor man is
38:54
going through it. It's it's bug squash and week.
38:56
And Blizzard was reminded that this game is full of bugs and by
38:59
God, they're squashing those bugs, right.
39:01
Like Ansrich got a little stepped on silk.
39:04
Well, silk in court didn't get stepped on.
39:05
They got benefit. Whatever is that fear?
39:07
Our big little, our big bug bestie man is having a rough
39:10
time of it. So they on October 10th there
39:15
was a hot fix, a blue post that went out that said that zek fear
39:18
is now going to only give rewards once per week.
39:21
Crest and valor stones. I think it's per character.
39:25
So once per week you kill him and then you get rewards.
39:29
Bellior tweeted that this was a once per week reward, but also
39:36
it would go in your vault once per week, which I haven't.
39:41
We were not able to find anywhere Blue posted anywhere
39:44
talked about we also they anyway we can't find attribution of
39:49
that fact. Just before the show.
39:52
I went ran, I went and I did Zach fear quickly just to see
39:55
what happened. I did not get great vault for
39:59
him, but I also did not get loot.
40:03
So I don't know what's going on. I don't know if it was just a
40:06
hard bug on mine or if that means that it's not going in the
40:09
vault. So we as a group have no
40:14
evidence that you will get any great vault at all, even one per
40:19
week for Zac fear kill. It appears from my reading of
40:24
blue posts and also from me playing the game that you will
40:27
not get great vault for Zac fear first kill of the week.
40:31
But because the situation was a little messy, I do not feel like
40:35
I can say that with my chest. So yeah, they they stepped on my
40:38
boy. So I haven't played delves to do
40:43
Zechvir. Sean, you currently are kind of
40:48
put delves to the back burner while you're focused on your
40:51
rating and of course mythic, mythic plus.
40:53
So you're focused on that and Lex you're you're doing delves.
40:57
Are you doing delves as groups? No, you're done with delves too.
41:01
So I emotionally I'm not done with delves.
41:04
The thing is that I'm working so hard on training Vengeance and
41:07
so right now I am if I am playing World of Warcraft, I'm
41:11
rating or I'm doing method. I have no issues with Delves.
41:17
In my head I keep saying I'm gonna go back.
41:18
Although honestly also at this point the gear is kind of
41:20
getting meaningless to me too. I'm at 612 item level and most
41:24
of my item level increases are crests at this point.
41:27
So all of my gear is is more or less equally geared.
41:30
So I'm like actually most of my stuff is 612 I think, maybe 611,
41:34
whatever. So I I I really do love delves.
41:41
I have a lot of opinions as to what could be done better and
41:44
differently with delves, which I swear I'll talk about
41:47
eventually, but I have not done delves in quite some time.
41:51
OK. So at this point Dells have sort
41:54
of outgrown their usefulness for for you and because your limited
41:57
time just haven't had a chance to step back in for the fun for
42:01
the fun of it, which I think is roundabout where you are, Sean,
42:04
where it's sort of like Dells. Dells have sort of outlived
42:07
their usefulness in terms of your gearing and your find your
42:09
fun in other places in the game. Yes, except I hate them.
42:16
Don't forget that part. Yeah, well, you know, you, you
42:19
can say it one way or another. I just wanted to put out your
42:21
way. It was good.
42:22
It's a very your way. It was good.
42:23
It's a very strong word. Yeah I I did a fungal folly 2
42:26
days ago, met him yesterday on EU and I dropped multiple F
42:30
bombs and at one point said you know what I don't even care I.
42:34
Mean the fungal folly is annoying.
42:35
That one is definitely particularly a pain I am not
42:39
good enough at like dodging things on the ground.
42:41
So when you make me like hold the little like cleansy thing
42:43
and then run and then the stupid circles and then there's and
42:45
then. Other and you can't see the
42:46
circles. I actually can't even see them
42:48
because they're all under the grass.
42:49
It's like you're a multi dollar company.
42:51
Please learn how to layer your graphics.
42:55
Yeah, Yeah. Don't you mean your your
42:57
traffics Sean for the traffics interface format?
43:04
We could talk to developers like world designers and like discuss
43:07
the struggles of working with a 20 year old game and maybe why
43:11
everything doesn't work as perfectly as a new new engine.
43:14
That's something we'll put on the back.
43:15
Burner I can't imagine having an opportunity to talk to somebody
43:18
who actually makes the game and wasting a question like, why do
43:21
I keep dying in these squirrelies?
43:25
That's your choice. That's your choice.
43:27
We'll we'll we'll have to prioritize.
43:29
Thanks. I think we should, we should ask
43:32
the Blizzard devs if we can do a roast, like if we can invite
43:35
some of them onto the show. And it's just to be like, hey, I
43:37
died to this. Why did you do that?
43:39
Yeah. Excuse me, did you make these
43:41
these these leafy Moss in fungal folly?
43:45
I can't see the green squirrels under it.
43:47
You know, you know when the perfect time is for that
43:51
BlizzCon, because I swear half the questions are, hey, I'm from
43:56
US, Tigerian and I died. What's the deal with that
44:01
Metson? I will say the one dev I talked
44:05
to other than like my actual friends for the entirety of
44:09
BlizzCon was Taryn Gregory and I exclusively talked to him
44:12
because I wanted to bully him about the fact that the faceless
44:14
are called the faceless even though they have a very visually
44:17
obvious face. Man was perplexed.
44:19
He did not expect that question and he he handled it very well.
44:22
I I thought he did a beautiful job of explaining it, but.
44:25
He would win. That's why we're never getting
44:27
Terry. I thought he's a.
44:30
Conversation. He used to show up and chat,
44:34
not. Anymore done with.
44:37
Us done. No.
44:39
OK, Well, I do think that one thing I do notice is that we get
44:45
these changes to raid, we get these changes to adjust the
44:48
relative difficulty of of the dungeons and Mythic plus and so
44:52
forth. But I haven't seen much of that
44:54
in The Dells. We get along the 1st 2 weeks.
44:58
Yeah, they they hit Dell's hard. I, I, I do again, I'll we'll
45:02
talk about this more deeply in the future, but I think they
45:07
over nerfed them pretty heavily. I think they boom banged them
45:12
down to open world content level which I think if they don't have
45:18
to adjust it. Aren't they open world content
45:20
end game? Sorry I open world content
45:24
derogatory. Oh, Lex doesn't mean that all of
45:30
our world questers out there and our farmers and our mount
45:35
collectors. Lex does not mean that.
45:36
Oh. No, no, no, no, no, sorry,
45:37
sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Let me, let me, let me, let me
45:40
clarify, let me clarify by what I meant by open world content
45:43
derogatory. I think that the Blizzard
45:48
mindset with open world content seems to kind of be this is the
45:51
thing to farm. It's not gonna be too much like,
45:54
you know, there's some like bosses like overall, this is the
45:58
type of thing that you should be able to farm pretty easily,
46:00
right? I should say your mileage may
46:02
vary. I'm a Demon Hunter and what I've
46:04
learned is that from talking with my friends, the Demon
46:07
Hunter is actually a pretty easy class to do delves on because it
46:10
has such intense self healed. It does a fair amount.
46:12
Like I run, I've run havoc in Delphi.
46:14
I don't do vengeance and havoc plus Brand as a healer is like
46:19
nothing is going to get in my way.
46:21
We're living in high. We're we're living our dreams.
46:23
So your mileage may vary. I'm also, I don't mean this
46:25
disrespectfully to anyone who's struggling with delves.
46:28
I feel that delves based on the equivalent level of like a
46:35
mythic plus dungeon that would drop the same item level.
46:38
I think delves are massively undertuned.
46:42
And so it feels to me like somebody looked at delves and
46:46
we're like, wait, hold up, this is open world content, which
46:50
means it's supposed to be a faith rule.
46:52
And as somebody who is excited about Delves as a genuinely
46:55
challenging, like, you know, viable form of gear progression,
47:01
that felt bad. That's funny, I I think that the
47:06
difficulty is the same, it's just the Delve takes me three
47:09
times as long as a + 6 would take me.
47:12
That's. Fascinating.
47:14
Yeah, I think the difficulty is relatively, but it's because I
47:17
play Mythic Plus a lot. That's true.
47:19
So that's why I Mythic Plus. My assessment of what the
47:23
difficult key levels are is different.
47:25
But if you get 6O3 gear from Sixes, Fives and sixes, I think
47:31
that to me feels about where the difficulty is in a delve, except
47:34
the delve, I'm either alone and completely bored out of my mind
47:37
or in a group and sort of trucking through it at about the
47:40
same pace. I would say.
47:41
Yeah, I don't think it's that far off, Lex, I think.
47:44
And I think as you get more comfortable, a Mythic plus as a
47:46
new Mythic plus junkie, I think as you get more comfortable,
47:49
you're going, your mindset will shift.
47:50
You'll be like, you know what? These Fives and sixes are about
47:54
the same difficulty as Delves because I am just nooming
47:57
through these as a vengeance Demon Hunter with my mini
48:00
sigils. That's I think maybe I'm wrong
48:03
it. Will and that's quite possible,
48:05
right? I am very new to it.
48:06
Like mythic plus is always a challenge.
48:08
And also as we were saying when we were talking about Anserak,
48:10
you know, a lot of it is mindset and I get scared in mythic plus,
48:13
right? Like I get I'm I'm so used to
48:15
being a problem in Mythic plus because I spent so many years
48:18
where Mythic Plus is the thing that I did for like 2 weeks when
48:20
I had to gear for raid. And so I never knew the
48:22
mechanics and I was killing my team every two minutes.
48:25
So I get in mythic Plus and it's like I freeze up and I felt fun
48:27
but like I am immediately stressed.
48:29
It's quite possible that I do like it.
48:32
The thing is that mythic plus feels like such a big massive
48:35
challenge to me that delves in comparison feel less stressful.
48:40
I I I I don't know. I will as I progress through I.
48:45
I am surprised you're having so much trouble with delves.
48:47
I wonder if. Maybe I hate them.
48:49
Yeah, which is fair. So as they're not, they're not
48:52
difficult. Delves up to +8 are not
48:54
difficult. It's just so tedious.
48:57
I really look forward to seeing your your Delve episode because
49:02
I think there's a lot here for you guys to mine and to talk
49:06
about especially like how you find your difficulty and where
49:09
you find your difficulty and how you align those.
49:12
So I think that there there is definitely a lot there, but I am
49:16
going to like kibosh it for now so that we can do our final
49:21
piece, which is of course the anniversary last week.
49:25
We talked talked about that there are all of these prizes.
49:29
We also talked about time walking a bit as well.
49:32
Sean, you and I kind of had a conversation about like, sorry,
49:36
rather, will there be enough of the currency given out in the
49:40
time to get all rewards? And we did a little bit of
49:44
crunching and referencing of different spreadsheets ahead of
49:47
the of the episode. What did we find, Sean?
49:51
In order to buy all of the tier 2RE skins, you need 320
49:58
anniversary coins, tokens, anniversary currencies, and to
50:02
get every item that will be for sale on the anniversary, you
50:06
need 946 anniversary currencies currently.
50:13
Now I didn't do this math myself, but this was taken from
50:16
a wild comment and I got to be honest, most of the time,
50:20
Wowhead comments are usually pretty good when they're giving
50:23
you information. They're not good when they're
50:25
giving you opinions, but they're good when they're giving you
50:28
information usually. And there was somebody who had
50:31
broken down the math that said you could get, I think it was 57
50:34
anniversary currencies in the first week and then 48
50:37
anniversary currencies every week after that, which after
50:42
some quick maths does not equal 946 anniversary currencies.
50:51
Yeah. So maybe we can't buy
50:56
everything. If you already have some items
50:58
at the World Breaker mount and the core Hound chain thing, this
51:00
isn't a concern for you. You're that's forty anniversary
51:03
currencies you're saving. I'm going to just call them ACS
51:06
from now on that you're saving. And yeah, but I don't know.
51:13
And the other concern is that this means you're going to have
51:16
to Max out every single week, be able to buy everything.
51:21
Now, I understand that Blizzard said, hey, don't worry, these
51:24
rewards are going to come back in future anniversary events for
51:27
you to buy again. I get that.
51:29
I understand that having FOMO is not healthy, but we have players
51:33
in this game. Like personally, I'm not.
51:35
The pets don't bother me. I'm not going to worry about any
51:37
of the pets. So it's not a huge concern for
51:40
me. But we are going to have people
51:41
that aren't going to be able to get everything in this game and
51:43
it's going to make them feel extremely bad.
51:49
They can't get everything yet. Like there is a there is
51:55
Blizzard saying that these will come back around.
51:58
I'm sure they're going to some of them are going to show up.
52:00
In fact, that total of how much you need includes many of the
52:04
things that are coming back from previous anniversaries like the
52:07
World Breaker mount and so forth that were in previous years.
52:12
If you have been around for that, you could knock up to like
52:16
90 of them. That's still only 10% of the
52:20
entire amount. That's not a huge amount and
52:22
you're still going to need to get some of these, but it is it
52:27
is likely that these will come back again in in future years.
52:33
I don't see I would hate for the exact same reason that
52:36
everybody's like, oh man, I'd like it would.
52:38
It sucks if you can't get them. It would also suck if they
52:41
didn't show up again. Like if next year at the 21st
52:46
anniversary we don't get any of the the sword and shield that's
52:51
made after the employee stuff, that would suck if if those
52:56
didn't show up again. And it we should be able to get
53:00
the same anniversary or like whatever currency they happen to
53:03
throw out if they do change currencies the next year and get
53:07
some of these things, I don't expect a huge refresh like this
53:10
every year. And so prioritize, I guess like
53:16
I personally will love the ensembles and will be pushing to
53:20
get that. The first one is going to cost
53:22
you 60. After you buy that, you'll get a
53:25
achievement that'll make the next 140.
53:27
The the second one, once you've bought that, everyone after that
53:31
every subsequent 1 is going to be only 20 each.
53:34
And that's how you get to the 320 that Sean had mentioned.
53:41
And so that's going to be my top priority.
53:43
And then I'm going to prioritize from that.
53:44
It, I know this is that question of FOMO and how much FOMO is
53:50
good and bad. But I think that like having
53:56
everything be immediately purchasable.
54:01
And if it required you to work every day, then people would be
54:06
making that complaint that it's like, oh, Blizzards now like
54:10
forcing those MA us. They're after those multiple
54:12
active users right during relatively slow period because
54:16
we're done with the raid. And like there's always some
54:19
complaint towards it. I just feel that like, hey, I'm
54:24
going to prioritize what I what I like.
54:26
I've been in the games. There's some stuff that's
54:27
already going to be there for the people who are going to come
54:30
in late. There's going to be people who
54:32
are going to be in the Trans Ma competition next year because
54:34
they want this stuff too. And so the community, there's
54:39
non predatory reasons to keep people invested in this beyond
54:42
the first day. Do we know that this event is
54:46
going to return next next year? Because they've also said, hey,
54:50
don't worry, some of these trading post items are going to
54:51
come back. There's definitely trading Post
54:53
items that have not cycled back through yet.
54:55
I would be really surprised if they do this exact event.
54:59
So would I. The 20th is big.
55:01
Frankly, I would be like, I, I do hope that there's more
55:03
opportunities to get some of this, especially because 10
55:06
weeks starting on October 22nd does include both American
55:10
Thanksgiving and Christmas and gets close to New Year's Day.
55:14
So like I don't. Last New Year's Day?
55:16
No. This goes to January 6th.
55:18
Sweet the 22nd 12345678910 brings us to December 31st Am I
55:30
stupid? It goes.
55:32
If that's not a Tuesday, it goes.
55:34
I'm pretty sure. I thought it's a January 3rd but
55:36
maybe it's the 6th if Manny says the six.
55:39
I'm there was an announcement where it said January 6th,
55:42
January 7th is the Tuesday after the week of New Year's, which
55:47
they're not going to be around for the year.
55:49
So this is like, hey, this is a reset and then it goes out,
55:53
right? So like, yeah.
55:55
Sorry, I don't pay attention to anything except for the words
55:57
that you guys say. I trust you wholeheartedly with
55:59
my life. You guys could.
56:00
You guys could make me look really stupid on the show.
56:02
You could gaslight the absolute hell out of me.
56:03
I hope you know this. You could ruin my time.
56:05
Never gaslight you, don't worry. About it.
56:06
That's true, Manny, You wouldn't.
56:08
Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that brings us
56:11
through like multiple holidays. I certainly.
56:13
I mean, I'm gonna probably not have computer access during
56:16
Christmas because I'm gonna fly home.
56:19
So, like, on the one hand, I do hope there's other options for
56:21
some of this because I will not be grinding at an extreme level
56:24
during these weeks. And I hope other people don't
56:26
feel like they have to. But also, I mean, you know, if
56:29
what happens on the 20th anniversary also kind of happens
56:32
to some degree on the 21st, Well, the point.
56:35
Like the point of. The 20th anniversary, is that
56:38
right? Like a lot of the specialness
56:40
kind of goes away. There's no announcements about
56:44
this, but I suspect that it this will be much like Blenderstorm,
56:48
Much like Mr. Pandaria, we're part way through the event.
56:51
They will be like. We're every 20, every 20 years.
56:54
I agree entirely. Every 20, every 20 years, they
56:57
bring it back. Part way through the event,
56:59
they'll like, increase the rewards, yeah.
57:02
And that's what I've always been saying that.
57:03
But like, you know, I know I totally hear you guys that
57:06
you're like stressed about the numbers and how you're gonna get
57:08
it. Like they're gonna hand this
57:10
stuff at the end of it. That's what they always do.
57:11
They do that every single time they.
57:14
I was, I was stressed like last week or the week before we
57:17
talked about it. But looking at the list of
57:20
what's available now, there's so much I realize that I don't care
57:23
about. I'm no longer stressed.
57:25
I will easily get no, no, I know.
57:28
But I just wanted to let the listeners know that we're
57:30
worried about my heart condition.
57:32
And that condition is that I just love so much.
57:34
I care so much about the listeners.
57:39
Yeah, I'm not worried about it now.
57:43
I do want to talk about something we haven't talked
57:44
about much on the show that I actually want because I did the
57:48
show notes. Which is why, if you're bored,
57:51
what? You wrote these?
57:53
Yeah, that's crazy. If you're bored and you're like,
57:56
what does it look like when Lex writes an entire set of show
57:58
notes? I, I say check them out.
58:01
They're fun. They're cute.
58:02
They're not they're they're silly.
58:04
They're only fun to me, but I'm having fun.
58:05
Anyway. I wrote the show notes, which is
58:07
very exciting because I learned things because I didn't just
58:09
depend on Manny to spoon feed me.
58:11
Thank you Manny for usually spoon feeding me, which is that
58:14
the maybe we, maybe we have talked about this and I was just
58:17
like Googling something to argue with Sean.
58:19
So forgive me if this is known to everybody, but.
58:23
We argue. I don't feel like we argue all
58:25
that much, but. OK, I but I, but if, when we do,
58:27
I always make sure I'm right. So there's going to be the cute
58:32
little world bosses that are going to show up in Tanneris for
58:34
you to kill. And they were, they were always
58:36
like, oh, you're going to get cute little rewards.
58:37
You're going to get cute little things.
58:38
There are three mounts that we know about.
58:42
Doom Walker guarantees them out. You are definitely going to get
58:46
a cute little, what do they call it?
58:50
An Iladari Doom hawk, which is so cute and sexy for me.
58:54
Sorry, I don't know why. That's my new bit, which is so
58:56
cute for me because I'm a Demon Hunter.
58:58
So we're going to go crazy. It's a cute little guy and it's
59:01
guaranteed. That's exciting.
59:02
You can also get a mammoth, which has it does not have cute
59:07
little dudes to fix your stuff, but it does have spots for your
59:11
two best friends. Hey guys, you don't you want to
59:14
ride around Azeroth with me? I do, yeah.
59:17
Amazing. And you can also get a cloud
59:21
serpent that's purple, which if you like cloud serpents, you'd
59:25
like. Anyway, you have you have to
59:28
post these notes as is, don't make any edits, post them on the
59:32
show and this will be the most read show notes we have ever
59:34
had. I'm glad you think that, Sean.
59:36
I had fun writing them. Also, nobody told me that the
59:41
PvP mounts are so cute like you, OK, it's called Corax Revenge is
59:46
this whole thing. And like, apparently you're like
59:48
summoning bosses and doing quest and you're in Altrac Valley
59:50
which is very throwback and you get these cute little guys.
59:54
You've got these indoor. I really should be a mount
59:55
collector. The issue is that I'm horribly
59:57
lazy. And it's doubly cute because the
1:00:00
Alliance mount is red. And the horde mount is blue,
1:00:04
which is crazy and so sweet of them and I think just super
1:00:07
adorable. And so if you see me doing PvP
1:00:11
during this event, don't bully me too much.
1:00:14
I'm bad at it. Don't worry, correct revenge.
1:00:19
It actually is pretty good for levelling characters in the
1:00:22
past. They did nerf it in more recent
1:00:25
years so it's not as good, but it's a big swarm of alliance,
1:00:30
big swarm board. Stay in the middle, you'll be OK
1:00:33
and you should be able to get through this now.
1:00:37
These are the same amounts that are returning, so if you've done
1:00:40
it before. Before just don't pay attention
1:00:43
to. People like but they're but
1:00:44
they're good. I'm upset about the the purple
1:00:50
serpent coming off of the Shaw. Recently there's been data mined
1:00:54
a Shaw touch Tiger and a Shaw touched Sky Serpent that is
1:01:01
supposedly being linked to Mr. Pandaria Classic.
1:01:07
That might be coming. And I was thinking maybe they'd
1:01:10
slide that into into this because that would be an amazing
1:01:14
mount to get from the Shaw. But alas, that is not it.
1:01:19
We're getting a purple cloud serpent recolor.
1:01:23
Still something is still something that I believe is new
1:01:27
and Doom Walker dropping being guaranteed amount.
1:01:31
That's something that they've been doing since last year.
1:01:35
We're the ice. We're the world breaker recolor
1:01:39
1. I think the world freezer or
1:01:41
something became a guaranteed drop part way through because
1:01:44
people did not want to do that grind so.
1:01:47
It was like 3 years ago. Was it 3 years ago?
1:01:50
Has it been that long that they. Made that change.
1:01:51
It was the same time actually it was longer.
1:01:53
I think it was sanctum with domination because it was you
1:01:56
could get that or salvanis amount because they look the
1:01:59
same. You know what?
1:02:01
The ice. No, no, no.
1:02:03
The the. We're talking about.
1:02:03
The breaking the the wall breaker recolor, that was the
1:02:05
ice one. That was a 15 year one.
1:02:08
I think that is actually now five years.
1:02:10
Ago. We're never talking with a
1:02:11
different man. We're not talking about the
1:02:13
Illadari Doom Hawk that comes off of Doom Walker.
1:02:16
Is that a different mount we're talking about?
1:02:18
Doom Doom Walker started to drop the the recolor of the, you
1:02:25
know, the the. Oh, yes, yes, yes, sorry.
1:02:29
The one, the one that looks like Deathwing.
1:02:31
Yeah, that was last. Year that was last that.
1:02:33
Was last year yeah, yeah, sorry yeah yeah, but he.
1:02:36
Became guaranteed like first time and yeah 'cause.
1:02:39
He used to drop the Illadari Doom Hawk and it was a chance
1:02:43
and it was during Sanctuary Domination when they made it a
1:02:46
guaranteed drop. I do really love that me getting
1:02:49
a section that was me talking about what I'm most excited
1:02:51
about for the anniversary is really just me revealing that I
1:02:53
have not been paying attention. These last few years, yeah,
1:02:58
collection. It's fun.
1:03:00
I'm about to hit 1000 mounts. Manny, I'm so lazy.
1:03:04
Like I'm. Aside, Lex, stay with me in the
1:03:07
dungeons. Oh, I will, don't worry.
1:03:09
Do do dungeons too. I listen they drop mounts and
1:03:12
dungeons. You can do both legs.
1:03:13
Well, so here's the thing, Manny.
1:03:15
Here's The thing is the reason I like Demon Hunter so much is
1:03:18
because I am not physically capable of sitting still.
1:03:21
And you think I'm going to sit there and I'm going to grind?
1:03:23
Do you think I'm going to do the same thing multiple times when I
1:03:25
have an option to go and then I do and then I kill something
1:03:29
that's sick as hell? Do that.
1:03:31
You can do that. You can zip all around and
1:03:33
everything, and you could do that in a chronic wake.
1:03:36
Get yourself a mount that I still haven't got.
1:03:38
Oh wait, the little the the the Amrath.
1:03:41
What? I have that.
1:03:45
All right, well, you can take all those mounts, including that
1:03:50
mount that Lex got that I don't, and you can put that into Mount
1:03:52
Mania. That's one of the things that in
1:03:55
there there's a trans mod contest.
1:03:56
There's a bunch of these small things.
1:03:58
And once you get past that 100 AC mark, because that's what
1:04:02
we're calling them now, then you'll be able to get more of
1:04:08
the bronze from from this. So this is going to be something
1:04:12
that people are going to put there.
1:04:13
So they've got the fashion frenzy one.
1:04:15
They've got this lore Walker Cho bit that is just him talking
1:04:19
about lore to the surprise of everyone.
1:04:21
Again, check the show notes, guys.
1:04:24
Pet Frenzy if you are a pet collector, but there is dressing
1:04:29
up as old world World of Warcraft style characters from
1:04:35
all parts of the past of this game and then the spiritual
1:04:39
successor to the secrets of Azeroth.
1:04:41
I am really looking forward to that.
1:04:43
Maybe we can get Sean to stream again for that, but we will have
1:04:48
to hope that he is feeling better by that time.
1:04:52
It's been like 29 days since I streamed last.
1:04:54
I'm going to make a big triumphant return at 30 that.
1:04:57
Would be so cute. We said it's tomorrow.
1:05:00
Yeah, that's tomorrow. You should have done it at 14 or
1:05:02
not at all. Just just Sean.
1:05:05
Hey Manny, do you want to kick me off the show?
1:05:08
No. Do you want to guess how many
1:05:10
times having necrotic weight pulls it took me to get that
1:05:13
out? No, no, not at all.
1:05:16
OK, fair enough. But we're gonna call it here,
1:05:19
guys. Until next time, guys.
1:05:21
May all your hits be crits.