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- 0:06Speaker 1: You can listen to the Front on your smart sneaker
- 0:08Speaker 1: every morning to hear the latest episode. Just say play
- 0:12Speaker 1: the news from The Australian. From the Australian, I'm Claire
- 0:24Speaker 1: Harvey a special bonus episode off the Front for you today.
- 0:31Speaker 1: New South Wales police have responded swiftly to a fresh
- 0:34Speaker 1: revelation in our investigation into the disappearance of mother of
- 0:38Speaker 1: two Bromwyn Winfield. On Thursday night, The Australian published revelations
- 0:43Speaker 1: from Headley Thomas that a new eyewitness claims to have
- 0:46Speaker 1: seen Bromwan's husband John driving with something that looked like
- 0:51Speaker 1: a body in the back of his car around the
- 0:53Speaker 1: time of her nineteen ninety three disappearance. In today's episode,
- 0:57Speaker 1: what the police are saying and how Bromwin's family and
- 1:01Speaker 1: our audience is responding to this big news.
- 1:13Speaker 2: What's wrong with him?
- 1:17Speaker 1: That's the stunned emotional reaction of Andy Reid, the brother
- 1:21Speaker 1: of Bromwin Winfield, to startling new evidence presented in the
- 1:25Speaker 1: Australians investigation into this thirty one year old mystery.
- 1:30Speaker 3: This poor lady to go the to have to live
- 1:33Speaker 3: with this, to go to the police station twice in
- 1:36Speaker 3: ninety three, and they discount, and they go and take
- 1:40Speaker 3: a pop statement.
- 1:42Speaker 1: After three decades of frustration, sorrow and anger, Andy and
- 1:47Speaker 1: his wife Michelle have lots of questions, and so do
- 1:50Speaker 1: our listeners. What was in the back of John Winfield's
- 1:53Speaker 1: car on a late night drive in May nineteen ninety
- 1:56Speaker 1: three after the disappearance of his wife, About other witness
- 2:01Speaker 1: accounts of the car's movements that night, What have police
- 2:05Speaker 1: been doing? And why hasn't this cold case been solved?
- 2:10Speaker 1: Those are just some of the big questions raised by
- 2:13Speaker 1: our revelation thanks to Headley Thomas's podcast Bromwin, of fresh
- 2:17Speaker 1: eyewitness allegations that have never formed part of a police
- 2:21Speaker 1: brief and have never been put before a court. Today,
- 2:25Speaker 1: we're going to dive in answering some of your questions
- 2:28Speaker 1: a little later in this episode, but first there's been
- 2:32Speaker 1: a rush of listeners to episode seven, released on Thursday evening.
- 2:36Speaker 4: This is the most important episode in the Bromwin podcast
- 2:40Speaker 4: series so far. It is going to disclose a major
- 2:44Speaker 4: new development in this investigation into Bromwin's disappearance. It is
- 2:50Speaker 4: so serious it should prompt Senior Detective Nigel Lawren or
- 2:54Speaker 4: another member of the Unsolved Homicide Unit in Sydney to
- 2:58Speaker 4: beat a path to the door of a woman from
- 3:00Speaker 4: whom you'll hear shortly. Her name is Judy Singh. She
- 3:05Speaker 4: is sixty nine years old, a Korean nurse who retired
- 3:08Speaker 4: a few years ago, and she now lives with her
- 3:11Speaker 4: daughter's family in northern New South Wales.
- 3:15Speaker 1: And among those listeners and the subscribers reading and watching
- 3:19Speaker 1: us stories and video on the Australian dot com dot
- 3:21Speaker 1: a U are the New South Wales Police. Just hours
- 3:25Speaker 1: after the stories broke, police reached out to our National
- 3:28Speaker 1: Crime correspondent David Murray indicating they wanted to speak to
- 3:32Speaker 1: eyewitness Judy Singh directly, and then New South Wales Police
- 3:36Speaker 1: Assistant Commissioner and Commander of State Crime Command, Michael Fitzgerald
- 3:40Speaker 1: emailed Headley Thomas requesting Judy Sing's contact details, which Headley
- 3:45Speaker 1: passed on. Judy sing who is sixty nine, had already
- 3:49Speaker 1: told us she is willing to do anything she can
- 3:51Speaker 1: to assist police. Headley passed on her contact details on
- 3:56Speaker 1: Thursday night. So what have police been doing all these years?
- 4:05Speaker 1: Back in nineteen ninety three when Bromwin first disappeared, it
- 4:08Speaker 1: seems according to Headley's reporting, to have been a lackluster
- 4:12Speaker 1: and low energy investigation. John Winfield told police back then,
- 4:17Speaker 1: Bromwin took a phone call, then a mysterious car pulled
- 4:20Speaker 1: up in the driveway and she got in, never to
- 4:22Speaker 1: be seen again. Nearly a decade later, a local detective
- 4:26Speaker 1: took another look at the case, speaking to witnesses and
- 4:29Speaker 1: looking for new leads. A police brief went to the coroner,
- 4:33Speaker 1: and after a hearing, Deputy State Coroner Karl Milvanovitch found
- 4:37Speaker 1: Bromwyn was dead and recommended that a known person, John Winfield,
- 4:42Speaker 1: should be charged with her alleged murder, but the then
- 4:45Speaker 1: Director of Public Prosecutions, Nicholas Cowtery Casey, declined to take
- 4:49Speaker 1: a prosecution forward, telling the family there was no evidence
- 4:53Speaker 1: John Winfield had anything to do with Bromwin's death. John
- 4:57Speaker 1: Winfield has always denied any wrongdoing and has never been charged.
- 5:03Speaker 1: Here's what Judy Singh told The Australian her words from
- 5:06Speaker 1: episode seven of Bromwyn.
- 5:10Speaker 5: And This night. I was sitting up and I saw
- 5:12Speaker 5: the car pull out at the end of the street
- 5:14Speaker 5: and the light was on in the car. There's very
- 5:18Speaker 5: squeaky brakes on that car, and he drove very slowly
- 5:23Speaker 5: along the street, but he had left the car light
- 5:26Speaker 5: on and I could see directly into the car, and
- 5:31Speaker 5: I had a small lantern on the balcony rail and
- 5:34Speaker 5: he kind of looked up this night and I saw
- 5:38Speaker 5: this what looked to be like a mummy in the
- 5:41Speaker 5: back of the car, and I thought, what are you
- 5:46Speaker 5: going late at night with something that looked like I
- 5:51Speaker 5: just called it a mummy. And I've said this to
- 5:53Speaker 5: my son so many times about this, and I thought, well,
- 5:58Speaker 5: even if he was taking out the longings, you wouldn't
- 6:02Speaker 5: make it look like a body, do you know?
- 6:04Speaker 6: I mean?
- 6:09Speaker 1: Coming up, we address some of our listeners questions about
- 6:13Speaker 1: this big twist. If you have any information about Bromwyn
- 6:17Speaker 1: Winfield's disappearance, email Headley Thomas at Bromwyn at Beaustralian dot
- 6:22Speaker 1: com dot au. Naturally, the revelations made by Judy singing
- 6:31Speaker 1: episode seven of the podcast have raised more questions about
- 6:35Speaker 1: Bromwyn Winfield's fate. We wanted to take this opportunity to
- 6:39Speaker 1: answer some of the points raised by our subscribers. In
- 6:42Speaker 1: the podcast's Facebook group. You can find it and join
- 6:46Speaker 1: the conversation by searching Facebook for Bromwyn Podcast official discussion group.
- 6:52Speaker 1: The Winfield family's nineteen eighty seven Ford Falcon XF SADAN
- 6:56Speaker 1: is integral to Judy's account. Hadi Fullard dire frienced another
- 7:01Speaker 1: notorious Australian cold case which was solved in twenty sixteen,
- 7:05Speaker 1: the Claremont serial killings. In that case, forensic evidence was
- 7:10Speaker 1: discovered in a car owned by the killer almost a
- 7:14Speaker 1: decade after the crime.
- 7:16Speaker 6: The long wait for justice for the families of Jane
- 7:20Speaker 6: Rimmer and Kira Glennon is over, with Claremont killer Bradley
- 7:24Speaker 6: Robert Edwards sentenced to life in prison.
- 7:28Speaker 1: Haiti asked if the nineteen eighty seven Falcon Sadan is
- 7:31Speaker 1: still owned by John Winfield or if its location is known.
- 7:35Speaker 1: The short answer is no. The initial police investigation in
- 7:39Speaker 1: the immediate aftermath of Bromwin's disappearance was lacking, so we
- 7:43Speaker 1: do know a thorough forensic examination of the vehicle was
- 7:46Speaker 1: never done. We don't yet know how the new South
- 7:49Speaker 1: Wales police investigation will progress, but it's possible they'll attempt
- 7:54Speaker 1: to track down the Ford Falcon for testing. Nicoleen Hancock
- 8:01Speaker 1: clocked a discrepancy between John Winfield's own account of that
- 8:04Speaker 1: night and what Judy and others like next door neighbor
- 8:07Speaker 1: Murray Nolan remember. According to a report written by an
- 8:11Speaker 1: unnamed detective senior constable in July of nineteen ninety three,
- 8:14Speaker 1: almost two months after Bromwin was last seen, John Winfield
- 8:19Speaker 1: said he traveled to Sydney for work on June twenty
- 8:22Speaker 1: six and returned to Lennox Head on July eleven. That report,
- 8:26Speaker 1: which was based largely on John's version of events, has
- 8:30Speaker 1: mostly been debunked by alternate witness testimony and other contemporaneous evidence.
- 8:36Speaker 1: We know from a statement given by John's eldest daughter,
- 8:39Speaker 1: Jody in nineteen ninety eight, that John Winfield flew back
- 8:43Speaker 1: to Balliner from Sydney on the afternoon of Sunday, May sixteenth.
- 8:48Speaker 1: Jody's words are being read by a voice actor.
- 8:52Speaker 7: I told Dad and he made arrangements to fly to
- 8:54Speaker 7: Baliner the following day. I felt that I was out
- 8:57Speaker 7: of the situation then when Dad was going back home
- 9:00Speaker 7: to sort it out, so I left it to him.
- 9:02Speaker 7: The following afternoon, Sunday, May sixteenth, nineteen ninety three, I
- 9:06Speaker 7: drove Dad to the Sydney airport so that he could
- 9:08Speaker 7: catch the plane to Ballina.
- 9:13Speaker 1: A handful of other group members queried how Judy Sing's
- 9:16Speaker 1: account fits into the timeline of events from May sixteen,
- 9:20Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three. Here's a quick recap. Bromwin returned to
- 9:25Speaker 1: the home at sixty Sandstone Crescent on the afternoon of Friday,
- 9:28Speaker 1: May fourteen. She called a locksmith to get back into
- 9:31Speaker 1: the house because the locks had been changed while she
- 9:34Speaker 1: and her girls were living at the townhouse in Byron Street.
- 9:38Speaker 1: After hearing from Jody that Bromwin had moved back to
- 9:40Speaker 1: the house, John Winfield returned to Lennox Head on the
- 9:43Speaker 1: afternoon of May sixteen, that was a Sunday. He swung
- 9:48Speaker 1: by the Ballener Police station, then collected one of Jody's friends,
- 9:51Speaker 1: twenty two year old Becky Maguire, who accompanied him to
- 9:55Speaker 1: Sandstone Crescent. In her police statement, Becky said John collected
- 9:59Speaker 1: a couple of suits cases from the house and then
- 10:02Speaker 1: drove her home. Becky's words are being read by a
- 10:05Speaker 1: voice actor.
- 10:07Speaker 2: John must have had a set of keys to the car,
- 10:09Speaker 2: because we then got into the car and he drove
- 10:11Speaker 2: me home. John didn't go inside the house at all
- 10:14Speaker 2: while I was in the house with him. While we
- 10:17Speaker 2: were driving back to my house, John thanked me for
- 10:19Speaker 2: coming with him and told me he was sorry for
- 10:21Speaker 2: getting me involved.
- 10:24Speaker 1: Later that night, around ten forty pm, Bromwin and John's
- 10:28Speaker 1: next door neighbor, Murray Nolan, was watching a movie at
- 10:31Speaker 1: home when he heard the Windfields Ford Falcon exit the driveway.
- 10:36Speaker 1: Here's how he described it in episode six of Bromwyn.
- 10:40Speaker 5: Because John was back there.
- 10:43Speaker 6: Lay yeah, the car backed out.
- 10:46Speaker 5: Put no lights on, bottom down on the road, sug
- 10:49Speaker 5: a big groove in the road, and arrivaled down the hill,
- 10:53Speaker 5: down the bottom the hill. You're down here with no
- 10:55Speaker 5: lights on. Turn the lights on, start the engine and
- 10:58Speaker 5: go around.
- 10:58Speaker 3: The other way.
- 11:01Speaker 1: When he got to Sydney, John showed Bromwyn's sister in law,
- 11:04Speaker 1: Michelle Reid, a receipt that showed he'd bought fuel at
- 11:08Speaker 1: a petrol station in Lennox Head at eleven six pm.
- 11:12Speaker 1: Judy Singh doesn't know exactly what time she saw John
- 11:14Speaker 1: Winfield drive past her home with what she believes was
- 11:18Speaker 1: Bromwin's body in the backseat of the car, but one
- 11:21Speaker 1: listener has raised an intriguing theory. Karen mastro Battista asks
- 11:27Speaker 1: what if John drove the car down the road with
- 11:30Speaker 1: Bromwin in the back and the interior light on, and
- 11:33Speaker 1: realized this was a problem when he looked up and
- 11:36Speaker 1: Jude saw him. So went somewhere quiet and put her
- 11:40Speaker 1: body in the boot and decided to drive her down
- 11:43Speaker 1: to Sydney with the girls. Then went home and picked
- 11:46Speaker 1: up the girls and had to go down the driveway
- 11:48Speaker 1: quietly as he knew he had her body in the boot.
- 11:52Speaker 1: John didn't go straight to Andy's place. He went to
- 11:55Speaker 1: Jody's mum's. No one checked the boot there, Karen goes
- 12:00Speaker 1: on he was then gone five hours. Could he have
- 12:03Speaker 1: been disposing her body?
- 12:04Speaker 3: Then?
- 12:05Speaker 1: This is just so awful. I feel quite ill, but
- 12:09Speaker 1: I am so glad the truth is coming out. That's
- 12:13Speaker 1: the end of Karen's Facebook post. Of course, John Winfield
- 12:17Speaker 1: denies any wrongdoing. This story is moving fast. For all
- 12:29Speaker 1: the latest updates, visit the Australian dot Com dot a
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