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'COOL MOM' Has Teens Young as 13 to DRINK, PERFORM SEX ACTS at 'Parties' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Wild booze and sex fueled parties become the talk of
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Speaker 1: the town.
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Speaker 2: But what is also.
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Speaker 1: Talked about is the fact that the party goers are
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Speaker 1: as young as thirteen, fourteen, and fifteen. You heard me right,
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Speaker 1: Wild booze and sex fueled parties for teens, all at
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Speaker 1: the home of the so called cool mom.
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Speaker 2: I mean to see grace. This is crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Foxination in
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Speaker 1: series XEM one eleven.
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Speaker 2: I can't help but think.
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Speaker 1: About in the movie Mean Girls with Lindsay Lohem and
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Speaker 1: the cool mom would just let the.
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Speaker 2: Girls do whatever they want to choose.
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Speaker 1: A little made herself and played into drugs and alcohol
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Speaker 1: and sex. Well, art imitates life. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends at NBC.
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Speaker 3: The first complaint about Shannon O'Connor to Los Gato's High
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Speaker 3: School came from a parent in December twenty twenty. According
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Speaker 3: to internal school emails obtained exclusively by the Investigative Unit,
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Speaker 3: Shannon Bruga or O'Connor buys alcohol for teenagers. My daughter
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Speaker 3: overdosed on edibles then entering. Principal Paul Robinson responded the
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Speaker 3: same day, we will follow up on this and inform
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Speaker 3: the police. Two months later, February seventeenth, a different parent
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Speaker 3: sent an assistant principal a detailed, multi page email saying
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Speaker 3: she had just filed the police report alleging criminal contact
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Speaker 3: by O'Connor with her child and at least five other
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Speaker 3: fourteen year old girls, as well as at least one
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Speaker 3: Fisher middle school student, a.
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Speaker 1: Middle school student, fourteen year old girls going to sex
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Speaker 1: and booze stoked parties, and criminal contact by the cool
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Speaker 1: mom with a girl student aged fourteen? What in the
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Speaker 1: hey with me and all Star panel to make sense
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Speaker 1: of what we know right now? But first I want
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Speaker 1: to go to Drew Penner, investigative reporter with the Los
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Speaker 1: Gatten newspaper. Drew, thank you for being with us. Who
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Speaker 1: is this quote? Cool mom? Doesn't sound cool to me?
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Speaker 1: It sounds criminal. Does she have a child?
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely. This is Shannon O'Connor. And she has
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Speaker 4: other names that she's gone by in the past, Shannon Bruga,
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Speaker 4: Shannon Amarol. But she is a local woman here from
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Speaker 4: the Los Gatos area, and that's in Silicon Valley, and
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Speaker 4: she gained a reputation over the months for being, as
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Speaker 4: you said, someone that would have parties and someone who
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Speaker 4: would invite folks over to her house that were younger
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Speaker 4: than maybe you would invite over to your host. And
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Speaker 4: that's putting it lightly.
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Speaker 1: And she does have children, She's got two teen sons,
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Speaker 1: thirteen and fifteen. And you know to doctor Angie Arnold,
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Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrist joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, you
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Speaker 1: can find her at Angelo Arnold MD dot com. You
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Speaker 1: heard what Drew Pinter just told us that everybody in
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood knew rumor gossip. They knew what was going on,
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Speaker 1: but did anybody stop it, not until things got even
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Speaker 1: more out of hand. In addition to what Drew Pinner
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Speaker 1: told us, Angie, how many times have I told the children,
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Speaker 1: starting at a very young age, about drugs and alcohol.
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Speaker 5: All the time?
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Speaker 2: What it does to you?
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Speaker 1: Cases I've seen in court specifically, I remember when I
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Speaker 1: was a brand new assistant district attorney. I was taking
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Speaker 1: a guilty plea of this beautiful woman and she was
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Speaker 1: taking a plea duy HV habitual violator And I looked
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Speaker 1: around for her family. There was no family, but I
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Speaker 1: knew she was married with three children. Alcohol cost her
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Speaker 1: her stockbroker's license that she worked so hard for, had
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Speaker 1: worked her way.
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Speaker 2: Up the ladder in that business.
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Speaker 1: She had a horrible car crash when drunk.
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Speaker 2: Her husband divorced.
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Speaker 1: Her and he got custody of three children because of alcohol.
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Speaker 1: And I remember she just stood there in court just
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Speaker 1: like she was numb, Like she didn't even cry. You know,
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Speaker 1: like when you take the dog to the vet and
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Speaker 1: they have to get a shot and they sit on
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Speaker 1: the table. They know something bad it's about to happen,
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Speaker 1: but they.
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Speaker 2: Just sit there stoically. That's what she looked like.
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Speaker 1: Alcohol And this is a mom with teens throwing this
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Speaker 1: kind of party, not just alcohol but drug and sex.
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Speaker 6: So ninsy. Why would why would no one have said anything?
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Speaker 6: Because look at all of the other people that can
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Speaker 6: be hurt by not saying anything, starting with the offender.
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Speaker 6: She needed help?
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Speaker 2: Okay, you know why did I ask you a question?
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Speaker 2: She does not need help.
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Speaker 1: She needs jail because these aren't just wild parties. This
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Speaker 1: is sex, assault, child moless, station felony, child endangerment.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know what you're talking about. She needs help, well,
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Speaker 2: she needs an a nice.
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Speaker 1: Long vacation in the pen in the big dollhouse, so
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Speaker 1: she can think about her actions.
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Speaker 6: But Nancy, at the very least, if the neighbors knew
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Speaker 6: what was going on, and they didn't know the extent
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Speaker 6: to what was going on.
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Speaker 2: Oh please, have you ever seen Bewitched? Yes? No, have you?
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Speaker 1: And you're familiar with Gladys Kravitz, right, the nosy name
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Speaker 1: paper who knows everything?
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Speaker 2: You want to tell me?
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Speaker 1: These neighbors didn't know exactly what was happening, hearing Tamee
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Speaker 1: screaming and cavorting in the backyard around the cag Oh
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Speaker 1: they knew, but this is my question, Drew Panner Back
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Speaker 1: to Loscotta newspaper, Drew, I understand that the first complaints
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Speaker 1: from made to the school principle and they had an
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Speaker 1: assistant principle.
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Speaker 2: Is that correct?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: You know, this has been an interesting case in our
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Speaker 4: town because it's it's sparked off a whole discussion around
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Speaker 4: what we do, you know, when people are having parties
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Speaker 4: in their own private home. But then it's you know,
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Speaker 4: these the ramifications can spill out into the public sphere,
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Speaker 4: including as you mentioned, at the high school. And you
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Speaker 4: know there's stories that we're hearing and that have come
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Speaker 4: out through the you know, throughout the various discussions that
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Speaker 4: we've been hearing is that basically, you know, Shan O'Connor
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Speaker 4: had a really good way of manipulating the whole situation, basically,
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Speaker 4: you know, being able to spend things one way and
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Speaker 4: in fact enlisting the children that she was inviting and
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Speaker 4: many say manipulating over to her house into kind of
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Speaker 4: going on the forefront and helping her spread false stories
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Speaker 4: in order to continue her behavior. And you know that's
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Speaker 4: something that we hear time and time again, and you know,
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Speaker 4: the extent to which perhaps the authorities at the school
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Speaker 4: should have done more. That's been a hot button issue,
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Speaker 4: so that over into even the local councils come up
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Speaker 4: indirectly as well, and yeah, it's been the talk of
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Speaker 4: the town.
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Speaker 2: You know, that's a really good point.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Annisonota, a child grooming expert,
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Speaker 1: but first let me just swing to Sam Doordulian. He
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Speaker 1: is a renowned attorney, former LA County prosecutor and founder
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Speaker 1: of the Dordulian Law Group.
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Speaker 2: You can find them at d lawgroup dot com. Sam,
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Speaker 2: thanks for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Just think looking through what Drew Pinner told us from
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Speaker 1: the losgotten. You know, Sam, here's the rub, here's the
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Speaker 1: fly in the ointment. So you have the parents, they
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Speaker 1: are speaking out to the wrong person. They contact the
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Speaker 1: school principle and the assistant principle. So do they get
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Speaker 1: the idea they're doing the right thing? And how much
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Speaker 1: can a school really control what students or quote cool
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Speaker 1: moms are doing off school premises?
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Speaker 2: Sam Ordulian, Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Nancy, And actually that's that's a good question. Why didn't
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Speaker 5: they call the police? And I think it's a lot
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Speaker 5: to do with who this person is. If this was
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Speaker 5: a male, if this was a male, if this is
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Speaker 5: a teacher, if this was a coach, a male coach,
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Speaker 5: I think people would react differently because she's a woman,
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Speaker 5: because she's a mom. In particular, I think they're treating
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Speaker 5: it differently. They're contacting the school instead of contacting the police.
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Speaker 5: I mean, you brought up the word grooming. This is
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Speaker 5: the definition of grooming. It doesn't have to be a
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Speaker 5: male teacher, coach, or a priest. She was grooming not
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Speaker 5: just the children, but the other parents, the whole community
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Speaker 5: with her conduct. So I think a lot has to
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Speaker 5: do with who she is as a woman and as
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Speaker 5: a mom.
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Speaker 1: Oh, you know you just struck me to the core
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Speaker 1: as a mom, because you know Anna Sonoda going from
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Speaker 1: Sam Dordoulian, doctor Angie Arnold, Andrew Panner.
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Speaker 2: Let me tell you who. Anna Sinoda is.
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Speaker 1: Child grooming expert, clinical social worker, author of Dut dut
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Speaker 1: Groom Understanding How a Child becomes a target, and you
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Speaker 1: can find her at Annasinoda dot com. Anna, I want
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Speaker 1: you to take a listen to our friend Amanda del Castillo.
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Speaker 7: Shannon O'Connor, the Lost Atus mother, was accused of throwing
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Speaker 7: drunken parties where she encouraged young teens to participate in
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Speaker 7: sex acts, sometimes non consent well and sometimes while she watched.
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Speaker 7: The teens, mostly fourteen and fifteen years old, included her
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Speaker 7: own son. O'Connor would use Snapchat or text to invite
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Speaker 7: them to her home, warning the teens to keep silent.
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Speaker 2: Or she could go to jail.
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Speaker 1: It's not exactly your classic grooming, but it has all
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Speaker 1: the elements of a classic grooming, luring, desensitizing the victim,
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Speaker 1: where this little fourteen year old girl says, well everybody
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Speaker 1: else is doing it. The mom is sitting there watching
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Speaker 1: me having a sex act with her son, so maybe
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Speaker 1: it's not as bad as I thought because the mom
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Speaker 1: thinks it's okay, and then getting them getting a vow
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Speaker 1: of silence warning them not to speak out.
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Speaker 8: Nancy, this is a gruesome, gruesome example of grooming. And
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Speaker 8: just so that everybody's on the same page, grooming is
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Speaker 8: the intentional and selective process of using assumed trust to
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Speaker 8: gain access and space with an identified prey. And it
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Speaker 8: is a process of been trapping a child. So we've
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Speaker 8: got to set the trap with compliments. These children were selected,
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Speaker 8: she was pre vetting the girls who are attending these parties.
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Speaker 8: Then you've got to bait the trap with favors, so
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Speaker 8: giving the kids things they want, like access to free
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Speaker 8: food alcohol. Then you've essentially rigged the trap with guilt.
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Speaker 8: Here are these kids who are breaking rules that their
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Speaker 8: parents have for them. And then you've got to keep
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Speaker 8: that trap shut with threats. You can't tell anybody, keep
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Speaker 8: this a secret. So worse than being a cool mom,
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Speaker 8: she was perceived and the community defaulted to her being
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Speaker 8: a safe mom. And she was the one who was
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Speaker 8: communicating with other parents to confirm that she would be
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Speaker 8: in attendance and she would be supervising and This is
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Speaker 8: why parents need to keep a keen eye to show
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Speaker 8: up at places where their kids are going, and when
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Speaker 8: in doubt, verify, even if it means showing up.
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Speaker 1: I was trying to drink in everything that you just said.
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Speaker 1: Whenever the twins have anybody over throughout the evening or
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Speaker 1: the afternoon, or whatever it be, I like to take
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Speaker 1: pictures of them and send to the mom.
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Speaker 2: Because that's what I like.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if the other moms even want that,
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Speaker 1: but I like that to see what the twins are
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Speaker 1: doing when they're not at home and make sure they're
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Speaker 1: safe in alife. I haven't even thought about an adult
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Speaker 1: plying them with alcohol and drugs and having sex with them. Hi, guys,
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Speaker 1: is the mouthful Michael Bock. I want you to change
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Speaker 1: that website immediately. Hey, Michael, I know you've dealt with
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Speaker 1: a lot of cases where adults molested children.
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Speaker 2: I rarely see I don't know that I've ever seen.
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Speaker 2: I got to think this thing through.
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Speaker 1: I've seen female sex predators on children, but for a mom.
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Speaker 2: A cool mom, and I'm talking about.
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Speaker 1: Amy Pohlar, who I adore Amy Polar who played the
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Speaker 1: cool mom June.
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Speaker 2: George in Mean Girls.
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Speaker 1: Hilarious, But this is not funny in the least, Michael Back,
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Speaker 1: have you ever seen a case where the mom lures
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Speaker 1: in the child victims to have sex with tea boys
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Speaker 1: while she sits there and watches.
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Speaker 9: It's not a frequent occurrence, especially inside the city. I'd
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Speaker 9: say this is probably more of a suburban issue than
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Speaker 9: it would be inside the city with apartments and stuff,
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Speaker 9: So it's not a common case that we would come
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Speaker 9: across in the city.
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Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever come across anything quite like it.
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Speaker 1: And these people, Michael Bock, I mean, this is Silicon
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Speaker 1: Valley with all of that tech money just rolling around.
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Speaker 1: The median income in this area is one one hundred
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Speaker 1: and sixty seven thousand dollars.
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Speaker 2: That's the median.
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Speaker 10: That's big money.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got a lot.
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Speaker 1: Of money to roll around in and a lot of
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Speaker 1: money to throw parties with for children. I mean, doctor Angie,
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Speaker 1: you hear Michael Buck speaking, What frame of my is
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Speaker 1: that where a grown woman gets sex gratification off of
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Speaker 1: watching little girls and teen boys have sex in her home?
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Speaker 6: Oh? Nancy, this is such a horrible subject, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: Yes, but I was expecting a little something, a little
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Speaker 2: more clinical from you than this is horrible.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's horrible. I can ask anybody on
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Speaker 1: the street that, doctor Angie, I know it's horrible. But
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Speaker 1: what is what kind of a criminal mind?
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Speaker 6: Is that these kind of people can suffer from a
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Speaker 6: very low self esteem?
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Speaker 2: Oh, dear Lord in Heaven, low self esteem?
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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, Nancy, this is you ask for a definition.
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Speaker 2: She's a child molester.
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Speaker 6: Well, okay, but we have to kind of look at
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Speaker 6: all of the things that can First of all, female
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Speaker 6: child predators.
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Speaker 2: Are on the rare side. Okay.
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Speaker 6: They can have antisocial personality disorder, they can have very
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Speaker 6: poor social skills, they can have PTSD from something or another.
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Speaker 1: Don't even try to make me feel badly for her rejection,
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Speaker 1: low self esteem, not about child molester. Here is doctor Jackie,
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Speaker 1: and you're waving a sign saying voyeurism.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what that is, right, doctor?
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Speaker 1: And Jimmy, you are the strength to be a psychiatrist.
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Speaker 1: Don't you have to be a medical doctor and a psychiatrist.
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Speaker 6: I'm a medical doctor.
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Speaker 2: Okay, and I'm having to tell you the word voyeurism.
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Speaker 6: And Nancy, I've had to treat women who were female
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Speaker 6: sexual predators. I've treated only a very few, because only
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Speaker 6: a very few exempts.
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Speaker 2: What is wrong with them?
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Speaker 1: Not that the state has to prove motive or kick
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Speaker 1: around inside the mind of a perpetrator.
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Speaker 2: But it's very hard.
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Speaker 1: For me to take in. I know it exists, but
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Speaker 1: it's hard for me to take in.
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Speaker 6: But doesn't it also sound like this woman, this particular criminal,
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Speaker 6: was exerting a lot of control over hers. They we're
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Speaker 6: very young, she's forty seven, they're thirteen and fourteen years old.
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Speaker 6: You know, she's got to she's got to be getting
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Speaker 6: some sort of sexual pleasure out of this. At the
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Speaker 6: very baseline.
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Speaker 1: I've already said that. That was my question that I
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Speaker 1: formed for you. What grown woman enjoys watching little children
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Speaker 1: have forced sex?
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Speaker 6: A very thick grown woman.
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Speaker 2: Once again, I knew that myself, and I am not
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Speaker 2: an MD.
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Speaker 6: Nancy. She may have been abused in her past.
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Speaker 1: Oh dear great, you know what, Just go ahead and
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Speaker 1: cut her mic because all you're doing is wine wine,
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Speaker 1: wine about how badly this one well, I still hear her.
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Speaker 6: Helloc women, the woman that I'm.
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Speaker 1: Going to give you a moment to reconsider your opinion,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, What more do we know?
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our forensic kr N four.
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Speaker 11: O'Connor has two sons, ages thirteen and fifteen, the same
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Speaker 11: age range that the victims are in this case. Deuty
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Speaker 11: in Idaho determined her sons were in imminent danger and
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Speaker 11: placed them under the custody of the Idaho Department of
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Speaker 11: Health and Welfare. Law enforcement first began to investigate O'Connor
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Speaker 11: after a boy was injured when he fell from her
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Speaker 11: SUV in the Los Gatto's High School parking lot. The
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Speaker 11: district attorneys said O'Connor went to great lengths to keep
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Speaker 11: the parties secret from other parents, law enforcement, and her
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Speaker 11: own husband. She would only invite teens over to the
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Speaker 11: house for a wild night of drinking when she knew
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Speaker 11: her husband would not be home. She communicated with students
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Speaker 11: using Snapchat.
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Speaker 1: So I didn't realize is drey Pinner. She was married
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Speaker 1: and the husband knew nothing about what was going on.
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Speaker 4: Well, that's kind of an open question. You know, there's
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Speaker 4: some evidence that shows that she had, you know, seemed
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Speaker 4: to be hiding the beer cans or whatnot from her
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Speaker 4: husband prior to him getting home, so he didn't find
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Speaker 4: out about these parties that were going on. On the
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Speaker 4: other hand, there does seem to be, you know, a
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Speaker 4: close connection between them. They are codefendants in a previous
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Speaker 4: action and you know, so that is something that is
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Speaker 4: still coming out.
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Speaker 2: It's really hard for.
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Speaker 1: Me to believe that he had no idea what was
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Speaker 1: going on. Guys, I want you to listen to the
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Speaker 1: Samdordulian sex assault lawyer, former La County sex crimes prosecutor. Now,
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Speaker 1: this is going down in Lascatto's, California and a very
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Speaker 1: prestigious community. Parties also took place in Santa Cruz and
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Speaker 1: Lake Tahoe, where the cool mom Shannon O'Connor would ply
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Speaker 1: fourteen to fifteen year olds with vodka and then hand
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Speaker 1: out condoms, encourages my encouraging miners to have sex, and
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Speaker 1: laughing when the teams would engage in sex acts, many
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Speaker 1: of allegedly weren't non consensual.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut. Four KGO.
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Speaker 7: Investigators say the party spanned from June twenty twenty to
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Speaker 7: May twenty twenty one and often involved O'Connor pushing the
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Speaker 7: teens to drink until they became sick or blacked out.
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Speaker 7: The DA's office as some of the assaults against the
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Speaker 7: young victims happened while they were drunk. Document show teens
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Speaker 7: also told authorities drinking led to heavy vomiting, a broken finger,
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Speaker 7: and a girl reporting sho almost drowned in a hot tub.
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Speaker 7: In a release, DA Jeff Rosen said it took a
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Speaker 7: lot of brave children to come forward and to untangle
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Speaker 7: this deeply disturbing case. In another case, the DA's office
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Speaker 7: says O'Connor let a team drive her SUV in the
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Speaker 7: Lost Attus High parking lot while two other teens held
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Speaker 7: onto the back. One fell off knocked unconscious.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Also take a listen to Amy Larson Kron, a.
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Speaker 11: Forty seven year old mom, is accused of throwing sex
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Speaker 11: parties at her Lost Gattos mansion. She pressured underage teenagers
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Speaker 11: to binge, drink, and encourage boys to have consensual and
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Speaker 11: non consensual sex with girls, according to the Santa Clara
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Speaker 11: County District Attorney's Office. Investigators said dozens of Los Gatto's
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Speaker 11: high school students went to Shannon O'Connor's disturbing parties between
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Speaker 11: June of twenty twenty and May of this year. The
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Speaker 11: mom recently moved to Ada County in Idaho, where she
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Speaker 11: continued to invite teens over to her new house. Detectives
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Speaker 11: told me that when they went to the house to
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Speaker 11: arrest her last weekend, there were twelve underage teenagers with her,
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Speaker 11: most of whom had spent the night.
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Speaker 1: So let me understand this, Drew Pinner. The students would
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Speaker 1: actually spend the night in the home.
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Speaker 4: Well, some of these parties would go on for an
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Speaker 4: awful long time, and you know, I at one point
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Speaker 4: I tried knocking on the doors of some of the
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Speaker 4: neighbors homes, and I didn't really want to say too
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Speaker 4: much to me about what they had seen or hadn't seen.
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Speaker 4: I don't know if you know, if people felt it's
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Speaker 4: guilty for not saying things sooner, or you know, maybe
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Speaker 4: they did keep certain things under wrap. But you know,
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Speaker 4: there's definitely a lot of questioning, even by Shannon O'Connor,
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Speaker 4: who was you know, googling, as we have reported, you know,
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Speaker 4: things like what to do with the concussion and a
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Speaker 4: teenager and you know, kind of concussion cause eye problems,
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Speaker 4: and you know, investigating, you know people and investigators seem
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Speaker 4: to think that that may be related to that car
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Speaker 4: incident exactly you had just heard about there on that
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Speaker 4: news report.
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Speaker 1: Guys, it's not the first time a mom has broken
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Speaker 1: the law in order to be the cool mom at
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Speaker 1: the school. Take a ust to our cut twenty seven.
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Speaker 12: At forty years old, Sheriylyn McDonald wanted to be known
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Speaker 12: as the cool mom. She wanted the kids to call her, share,
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Speaker 12: invited boys to be a part of family outings, and more.
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Speaker 12: The former cool mom is now behind bars, charged with
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Speaker 12: engaging in sexual activity with a minor, encouraging sex among miners,
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Speaker 12: six felony charges of loud and illascivious battery, and three
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Speaker 12: counts of contributing to the delinquency of a child. The
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Speaker 12: cool mom party came to an end when a real
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Speaker 12: mom saw that her teenage son was getting text messages
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Speaker 12: from McDonald. That real mom questioned her son, found out
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Speaker 12: about teens playing beer pong and McDonald's, and turned it
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Speaker 12: all over the police. The investigation is ongoing and McDonald
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Speaker 12: could face additional charges.
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Speaker 1: McDonald not alone. Take a listen hour cut twenty are
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Speaker 1: friends at WSB.
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Speaker 13: Georgia mother is facing charges after official essays she hosted
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Speaker 13: a party with drugs and alcohol for a teenage daughter
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Speaker 13: and her friends. According to an incident report, Rachel Lynn
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Speaker 13: Linhardt's sponsor from Alcoholics Anonymous, came to officials about the incident,
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Speaker 13: and the woman said Lenhart allowed a group of miners
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Speaker 13: to drink and smoke marijuana at her home in Evans, Georgia,
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Speaker 13: near Augusta. The woman claimed lin Hart played naked twister
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Speaker 13: with the teens and engaged in sexual relations with an
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Speaker 13: eighteen year old and her daughter's sixteen year old boyfriend.
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Speaker 13: She's charged with t two counts of contributing to the
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Speaker 13: delinquency of a minor and has been released on bond.
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Speaker 1: Samdorduley and joining a sex assault lawyer former LA County
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Speaker 1: sex crimes prosecutor Naked twister with a bunch of teen
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Speaker 1: girls and boys in your home. I mean I cringed
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Speaker 1: when I heard doctor Angel Arnold talking about Oh, she's
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Speaker 1: got low self esteem.
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Speaker 2: She's probably been rejected.
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Speaker 1: Don't care. This is child molestation. I mean, Dordiliyan, do
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Speaker 1: you have any children?
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Speaker 5: I have two children, in fact, wondering about the same
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Speaker 5: age as these kids.
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Speaker 1: At thirteen going to the mom's house down the street,
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Speaker 1: and then to find out later she was egged into
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Speaker 1: sex acts and given drugs and alcohol by the so
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Speaker 1: called cool mom.
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Speaker 2: I would do a backflip.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't even imagine. And look, Nancyen twenty five
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Speaker 5: plus years I've been doing sex crimes. I haven't heard
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Speaker 5: a story like this. And again, we I think a
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Speaker 5: lot has to do The reason why this continued and
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Speaker 5: it was allowed to fester, and she was allowed to
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Speaker 5: do all these things is because of her status as
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Speaker 5: a mom, as a woman. I've prosecuted a lot of
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Speaker 5: these cases. I've tried in civil court a lot of
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Speaker 5: these cases. You don't see a lot of sexual predators
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Speaker 5: who are women. I do have them, I've had them before,
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Speaker 5: nothing like this. And we have an inherent trust of mothers,
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Speaker 5: don't we. You know, you believe, you want to believe,
26:26
Speaker 5: especially since she's a mom of someone a child of
26:29
Speaker 5: your child's age, She's not going to hurt them. She's
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Speaker 5: going to protect them. That's what we all want to believe.
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Speaker 5: And I think that belief allowed this to continue. And
26:39
Speaker 5: the reason why you know, parents are going to the
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Speaker 5: school instead of the police. We have a different impression
26:44
Speaker 5: of female sexual offenders, but they're just as dangerous as
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Speaker 5: we see in this particular case.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know an interesting point, samder Dulian, is a
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Speaker 1: dad was throwing a party. I don't know how many
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Speaker 1: ten girls parents would even let them go.
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't. I certainly wouldn't let my daughter go. Have
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Speaker 5: a distrust of milk.
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Speaker 1: O ha double l n O. I say, you're not
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Speaker 1: going to a party at some pervy dad's house. That's
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Speaker 1: not happening. Oh okay, cringe. You know I want to
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Speaker 1: go back to doctor Angeley Arnold. I guess we can
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Speaker 1: turn our mic back on. You know, you've given me
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Speaker 1: just enough information over the years to throw something back
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Speaker 1: at you. You're talking about how she has low self
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Speaker 1: esteem and low self worth and was probably rejected in
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Speaker 1: her life. I assume the next thing you're going to
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Speaker 1: say is this is a desperate cry for help. How
27:38
Speaker 1: about a manipulative narcissist with no conscience?
27:43
Speaker 2: Would that she fit?
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Speaker 6: Yes? It would, Yes, it would, Nancy. And I'll tell
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Speaker 6: you something else. The reason nobody's calling and reporting her
27:52
Speaker 6: is because the research has shown that if you report
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Speaker 6: that you have done abused by as female more times
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Speaker 6: than not. You are not believed.
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Speaker 1: I didn't think of that. You're absolutely correct. And guess
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Speaker 1: what else gave her? The en disha of responsibility and
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Speaker 1: her mom's status secured. She's living at a four point
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Speaker 1: seven million dollar mansion.
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Speaker 2: I bet they've got a pool.
28:24
Speaker 1: I know they've got a hot toub because one girl
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Speaker 1: almost drowned in their hot tub drunk. Four point seven
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Speaker 1: million dollars home up there in Los Gato's a quote
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Speaker 1: tech savvy predator who taught the teens to lie using
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Speaker 1: gifts in order to bait the girls. WHOA wait, we
28:44
Speaker 1: haven't even touched on that, Drew Pinner. Drew Pinner, investigative
28:47
Speaker 1: reporter at the Los Gatta What kind of gifts did
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Speaker 1: she use to bait the teen girls?
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, if you know the Bay area at all,
28:58
Speaker 4: you know that, you know just over the hill, you
29:00
Speaker 4: know you've got Santa Cruz and that's a pretty pretty
29:03
Speaker 4: awesome destination to go to, and people like going on
29:06
Speaker 4: trips there. Same with Tahoe. So if you get invited
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Speaker 4: along to trip to one of those places, I mean,
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Speaker 4: who wouldn't want to go? Keep in mind, these are
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Speaker 4: kids that don't have access to just head on on
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Speaker 4: a weekend trip on their own, you know, and you know,
29:19
Speaker 4: so that's that's one thing, you know, getting these the
29:22
Speaker 4: the alcohol supplied. I mean, that's not exactly easy when
29:25
Speaker 4: you're near a kid, and you know, I just I
29:28
Speaker 4: think that there's a lot of this affection that's been
29:31
Speaker 4: showered on them as well by miss O'Connor, as we
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Speaker 4: hear and from some of the stories that we've been
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Speaker 4: reporting on, including you know that that may have been
29:41
Speaker 4: a technique, this flattery in order to build trust in
29:45
Speaker 4: bonds classic panner. Well, one other thing I wanted to say,
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Speaker 4: I wanted to say too, was was just that if
29:53
Speaker 4: you don't mind, was just that it's I think that
29:56
Speaker 4: we have to keep in mind that this is this
29:58
Speaker 4: is someone that you know, she had on her phone.
30:02
Speaker 4: It turns out, as we've now reported, like a video
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Speaker 4: of a girl saying that, you know, talking about her
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Speaker 4: own body image, and we don't know if this is
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Speaker 4: someone she knew or is something she download from TikTok,
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Speaker 4: But this is pointing to the fact that you know,
30:17
Speaker 4: she had not just a desire to help her own child,
30:22
Speaker 4: perhaps hook up, but you know, there's some question around
30:26
Speaker 4: was she maybe looking for having, let's say, a bad
30:30
Speaker 4: interest in sixteen year olds. For example, one of her
30:33
Speaker 4: the searches on her phone was hot sixteen year old
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Speaker 4: teenage girls and prettiest sixteen year old girl Good books
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Speaker 4: with young sex. That's something that just came out recently.
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Speaker 2: Well, Isrea Penner certainly given me something to think.
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Speaker 14: About prime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Also, we know that one young girl who is going
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Speaker 1: only by the name Jane Doe eight, says that cool
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Speaker 1: MoMA O'Connor quote.
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Speaker 2: Tore my life apart. I've suffered and had.
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Speaker 1: To deal with the reputation of being quote the girl
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Speaker 1: that got raped. I will live my high school years
31:23
Speaker 1: with this cloud over me. Victims say that O'Connor befriended
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Speaker 1: them through her children and social media when they were
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Speaker 1: just freshmen at Los Gato's High This Jane do eight says,
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Speaker 1: Shannon does not have a conscience.
31:38
Speaker 2: She's a con artist.
31:39
Speaker 1: I will never have the life I once had, and
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Speaker 1: neither should she. She says that O'Connor would have boys
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Speaker 1: get drunk and then drunkenly sex assault the girls. While
31:53
Speaker 1: O'Connor watched one of these girls. Jane Doe nine actually
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Speaker 1: had to take out a protection order against O'Connor after
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Speaker 1: she realized O'Connor had been following her around with no
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Speaker 1: headlights on. The girl still has nightmares today. One girl
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Speaker 1: says that O'Connor moved into her town and the little
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Speaker 1: girl got twenty seven calls with no caller ID, but
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Speaker 1: with Shannon O'Connor on the other end breathing into the phone.
32:25
Speaker 1: Does anybody have a concern about what took so long
32:30
Speaker 1: to bring this woman to justice?
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Speaker 2: Here's another theory.
32:33
Speaker 1: In addition to jury Pitter's theory that she was sexually
32:37
Speaker 1: interested in young teen girls and boys, did she actually
32:41
Speaker 1: want to be a child again? Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut twenty eight WNYT camerom.
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Speaker 15: Durham School District Superintendent Anthony Tuvy says thirty two year
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Speaker 15: old Michael Ann Goodrich came in to register for classes
32:57
Speaker 15: on December nineteenth. He says administrators immediately felt something was off,
33:01
Speaker 15: but Taybe says under the McKinney Vento Act, the district
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Speaker 15: had to admit good Rich immediately because she claimed to
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Speaker 15: be homeless.
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Speaker 16: She did attend school for one day and she didn't
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Speaker 16: in fact right the school was to and from school
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Speaker 16: that day.
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Speaker 8: He says.
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Speaker 15: Goodrich was absent on the twenty first, and then the
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Speaker 15: holiday break began the following week. She was arrested on
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Speaker 15: the twenty eighth and charged with offering a false ffailing,
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Speaker 15: falsifying business records, and criminal trespassing and more.
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Speaker 2: In our cut twenty five from APay.
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Speaker 17: A thirty year old sex offender who posed as a
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Speaker 17: child has pleaded guilty to seven criminal charges and will
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Speaker 17: now serve at least seventy years in prison. Neil Havens
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Speaker 17: Roderick the Second faced twenty eight counts, but pleaded guilty
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Speaker 17: to only a quarter of them, according to a plea
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Speaker 17: agreement document. Two of those charges stem from when he
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Speaker 17: posed as a twelve year old boy and enrolled in
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Speaker 17: this Arizona charter school in January two thousand and seven.
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Speaker 18: If it's a society's been putting on, he's very good
33:59
Speaker 18: at it because obviously fooled educators, He fooled train and
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Speaker 18: experience investigators. So if it's a facade, then he's an
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Speaker 18: absolute magician.
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Speaker 2: So this spans I understand.
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Speaker 1: Adrea Pinner from Los Gato's to Idaho is that correct.
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Speaker 4: So it is true that what happened is that as
34:19
Speaker 4: the investigation was progressing into the conduct of Shannon O'Connor,
34:25
Speaker 4: she leaves. She goes to Idaho. And you know, you
34:30
Speaker 4: might say, Okay, maybe that's a nice coincidence or whatever
34:32
Speaker 4: for her, but you know, the truth is is that
34:36
Speaker 4: we're starting to see that she's very aware of the
34:39
Speaker 4: fact that you know that it's there's different rules when
34:43
Speaker 4: you have authority, local authorities investigating here, it's harder for
34:47
Speaker 4: them to reach across state lines. And in fact, at
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Speaker 4: one point she's she's Internet searching Ida Idaho Statute of
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Speaker 4: Limitations criminal She's going, hey, can I get across it
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Speaker 4: in California if I live in Iaho.
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Speaker 1: She's very savvy, Dre what about it, Sam Doordulian, She's
35:07
Speaker 1: looking for statue limitations? How long can they prosecute me
35:10
Speaker 1: in another jurisdiction for this?
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Speaker 5: She's incredibly manipulative and it's just terrifying. The other parts
35:16
Speaker 5: that you mentioned about the whole stalking part of it,
35:18
Speaker 5: I worked the stocking unit as well, and I can
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Speaker 5: tell you I'm working with the DA's office prosecute all
35:23
Speaker 5: sorts of criminals there's only two that I was really
35:26
Speaker 5: truly frightened up, hardcore game members and stalkers. And she
35:30
Speaker 5: seems to not only just be a sexual predator, but
35:32
Speaker 5: it has to those stalking elements on top. And it's
35:35
Speaker 5: just terrifying that she would move to a different state
35:37
Speaker 5: be so manipulative. And there's some reference to her moving
35:41
Speaker 5: to another state where there's one of the victims actually lived.
35:45
Speaker 5: Its terrifying what this woman was doing. And to suggest
35:47
Speaker 5: that the husband had no idea about all of this,
35:50
Speaker 5: I think it's just foolish, absolutely foolish.
35:52
Speaker 1: Well, we do know that he has recently filed for divorce,
35:56
Speaker 1: and do you blame him? What about a doctor Angie
35:59
Speaker 1: Arnold Hydras out of Atlanta. I gave you two examples
36:03
Speaker 1: of many, many where adults have actually enrolled in middle
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Speaker 1: school and high school posing as teens to be aroundings.
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Speaker 1: It's like they want to be a teen. Is that
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Speaker 1: some sort of a designated ailment?
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Speaker 6: You know, Nancy, I don't That ailment doesn't necessarily have
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Speaker 6: a name. It all goes under the it's all under
36:22
Speaker 6: the guise of sexual predators, and it's just another way
36:24
Speaker 6: that they manipulate the system. I mean, Nancy, I have
36:27
Speaker 6: to wonder. I mean, there's so many things that are
36:30
Speaker 6: going on in our world right now that are predatory
36:33
Speaker 6: to children that we have to keep an eye out
36:36
Speaker 6: for all of those things, you know.
36:37
Speaker 1: I want to follow up with Anna Sonoda, child grooming
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Speaker 1: expert and author of Duck Duck Groom.
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Speaker 2: We're talking about various motives.
36:47
Speaker 1: Did this so called cool mom o connor actually want
36:50
Speaker 1: to be a teen again? Take a listen to this
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Speaker 1: and Sonoda our cut nine from KGO.
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Speaker 16: The DIA's office believe an early motive for O'Connor's alleged
36:59
Speaker 16: actions is sexual gratification. Court documents say she would use
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Speaker 16: social media to lure minors to her home, give them alcohol, condoms,
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Speaker 16: and private rooms to commit sexual acts that sometimes we're
37:10
Speaker 16: not consensual.
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Speaker 19: One of the crimes that we have charged involves committing
37:15
Speaker 19: the crime for sexual gratification, So we can certainly say
37:18
Speaker 19: that sexual gratification is one of the motives in this case.
37:22
Speaker 2: What about Ana Sineta.
37:23
Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, I think we have to back up a
37:25
Speaker 8: second and say that all sex, all sexual acts with
37:30
Speaker 8: anyone under the age of eighteen in California, aslong with Idaho,
37:35
Speaker 8: is always non consensual. These children don't even have the
37:39
Speaker 8: ability to consent to sex. So let's get that on
37:43
Speaker 8: the table. First of all, I think one of the
37:45
Speaker 8: things we have to keep in mind, sixty six percent
37:48
Speaker 8: of child sex abuse victims are between the ages of
37:51
Speaker 8: twelve and seventeen. This is a ripe atmosphere. This woman
37:56
Speaker 8: took her position. It's easy to impress teens. She was likable,
38:03
Speaker 8: she was powerful, and she was popular. She was providing money, alcohol,
38:09
Speaker 8: Everything was free to these kids. We don't know the
38:12
Speaker 8: socioeconomics of the children who are in that position, and
38:15
Speaker 8: we know that there were no other authority figures. She
38:17
Speaker 8: always set it up so that she was the sole adult,
38:21
Speaker 8: and she convinced other adults to trust her to supervise,
38:25
Speaker 8: protect and prevent any damage, and she did nothing of
38:28
Speaker 8: the sort. Instead, she was pretending that she was forever
38:32
Speaker 8: twenty one, if you will, and disregarding any sort of
38:35
Speaker 8: obligation as an adult or as an authority figure.
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Speaker 1: So would you say, Anna Sonoda that she has some
38:44
Speaker 1: sort of an age regression mental ailment or as the
38:52
Speaker 1: motive here, or do you believe it's for her pure
38:56
Speaker 1: sex gratification or so somehow she can be the cool mom.
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Speaker 8: I actually don't think it matters why now, It doesn't
39:04
Speaker 8: matter why we're so fixated on why somebody would do something.
39:09
Speaker 8: The message that listeners need to get out of this
39:12
Speaker 8: example is that people who are entrusted with your child,
39:18
Speaker 8: as long as you send them into environments in which
39:20
Speaker 8: they have space and access away from proper supervision, the
39:25
Speaker 8: highest risk environment your child can ever be in is
39:28
Speaker 8: your home or someone else's home. So if these parents
39:33
Speaker 8: had just eliminated the house parties, this wasn't happening at school,
39:37
Speaker 8: This wasn't happening at church, This wasn't happening in the
39:41
Speaker 8: local playground. This was happening at her home. Let's all
39:44
Speaker 8: wake up to the reality that our homes, and when
39:47
Speaker 8: we allow our children to go to other people's homes,
39:50
Speaker 8: that is the highest risk environment. So honestly, I don't
39:55
Speaker 8: care what reason she had for acting like a teen
39:58
Speaker 8: other than grooming and looking cool and having access and
40:02
Speaker 8: then suddenly being the one almost like a big sister
40:05
Speaker 8: with a proper id. Here are these kids who are
40:09
Speaker 8: trying to test the boundaries because that is the appropriate
40:12
Speaker 8: developmental stage that they are going through in their own adolescents.
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Speaker 1: Jane dough two did not want to testify, claiming she
40:20
Speaker 1: wants to quote forget this ever happened, but her mother
40:23
Speaker 1: spoke out, saying she's not here because she doesn't want
40:26
Speaker 1: Shannon O'Connor to own one more minute of her life.
40:29
Speaker 1: My daughter is not here because she's busy doing what
40:32
Speaker 1: kids their junior years should be doing, studying for AP tests, SATs,
40:37
Speaker 1: prom dress fitting, dreaming about colleges.
40:40
Speaker 2: Her life will never.
40:41
Speaker 1: Be the same, and I can think of five women
40:47
Speaker 1: who agree with the victims mothers. Take Allison to our
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Speaker 1: cut nineteen kron.
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Speaker 20: Five female inmates are scheduled to be arraigned in court
40:58
Speaker 20: this week after an attack on another inmate at a
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Speaker 20: jail in Milpitis. Court records show the five inmates beat
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Speaker 20: this Loscatos woman, Shannon O'Connor. It happened at the Elmwood
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Speaker 20: Correctional Facility. O'Connor is accused of throwing secret alcohol fueled
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Speaker 20: parties for underage boys and girls and pressuring those teenagers into.
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Speaker 2: Having sex with each other.
41:18
Speaker 20: Prosecutors said O'Connor lured victims to her Los Gatos mansion
41:21
Speaker 20: through social media and her sons, who attended Los Gatos
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Speaker 20: High School. The attack on her happened in October of
41:29
Speaker 20: last year. Court documents show deputies broke up the fight
41:32
Speaker 20: and took O'Connor to a hospital.
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Speaker 1: Michael Blot, former NYPD sergeant, Have you ever seen anything
41:38
Speaker 1: like it to this extent?
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Speaker 10: No, it's crazy. And she knew exactly what she was
41:43
Speaker 10: doing was illegal, you know, by keeping it from the
41:47
Speaker 10: parents and conspiring with the kids to make sure they
41:50
Speaker 10: kept it from the parents. So she knew exactly what
41:52
Speaker 10: she was doing. And I do agree with your other
41:56
Speaker 10: caller that none of the acts are consentral dute and
42:01
Speaker 10: she's basically an accessory to a sexual assault. She's a
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Speaker 10: facilitator and she encouraged the behavior. She's just as bad
42:08
Speaker 10: as the person committing the sexual assault. And she must
42:10
Speaker 10: be getting gratification out.
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Speaker 1: Of it, so much from being a cool mom not
42:14
Speaker 1: so cool behind bars. Drew Panter, what is a status
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Speaker 1: of O'Connor's case.
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Speaker 4: Oh, man, So this is one of those cases that
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Speaker 4: just keeps going on and on. There's been many steps
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Speaker 4: and we're not even really even into the preliminary inquiry yet.
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Speaker 4: It was about to start the preliminary inquiry and then
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Speaker 4: there was a legal maneuver that I personally wasn't familiar
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Speaker 4: with until now, which is basically going to the judge
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Speaker 4: and saying, hey, if I plead to all the charges,
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Speaker 4: what would you give me? So that's basically the step
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Speaker 4: that we are in now where I just spoke with
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Speaker 4: a parent yesterday and one of the parents told me that,
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Speaker 4: you know, Shannon O'Connor has now been offered seventeen year
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Speaker 4: and four month sentence. Of course, this has not been
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Speaker 4: put on the record yet, so there is a chance
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Speaker 4: that could change before you know, before I hear next. However,
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Speaker 4: that's what if she decides to plead to everything. We're
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Speaker 4: told that she could go away for seventeen years. It
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Speaker 4: could have been as much as twenty, but who knows.
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Speaker 4: Maybe this is just a legal maneuver to draw things
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Speaker 4: out and basically start the process all over again of
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Speaker 4: the preliminary inquiry, and then if that goes forward, of course,
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Speaker 4: there could be a trial later on. And this is
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Speaker 4: all going after an earlier process to try to get
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Speaker 4: out on bail. She's currently in pre trial custody as
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Speaker 4: you heard there at the Elmwood facility there in Santa
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Speaker 4: Clara County and basically her lawyer took that all the
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Speaker 4: way to the California Supreme Court. So a lot of
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Speaker 4: these kids, as you'd heard earlier, they're saying, you know,
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Speaker 4: I want my life back, and in fact they're saying, geez,
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Speaker 4: I want to at least be able to get through college,
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Speaker 4: you know, and be free from you know, any tormenting
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Speaker 4: from her. Of course this is all now. Shannon O'Connor,
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Speaker 4: we have to say, has not had a full chance
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Speaker 4: to amount to defense. Of course she could have, but
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Speaker 4: this is this has not gone to trial. However, from
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Speaker 4: a lot of the evidence that has come out so far,
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Speaker 4: there are justices in California and judges in the California
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Speaker 4: system that have pointed to the strong evidence as they
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Speaker 4: see it about some of the stuff that has happened.
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Speaker 10: So be careful.
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Speaker 4: But at the same time we have to say, hey,
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Speaker 4: this is one of those cases where there is it
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Speaker 4: seems to be at least some pretty strong evidence of
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Speaker 4: a lot of this behavior occurring. I want to say
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Speaker 4: one more thing really quickly, and that is clarifying one
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Speaker 4: of the comments that was meant that was made earlier,
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Speaker 4: and I believe one of the victims had said, you know,
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Speaker 4: I'm known as the girl who was raped. I believe
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Speaker 4: that's the same person that followed that statement up by saying, hey,
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Speaker 4: that's not even my allegation. Now that's not to say
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Speaker 4: that she believes that didn't happen to other girls or
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Speaker 4: possibly boys. We don't know.
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Speaker 2: But what the.
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Speaker 4: Point is is that we also have a responsibility as
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Speaker 4: a community in a society to be careful with how
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Speaker 4: we look at how these situations play out, because you know,
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Speaker 4: and how you know, we don't want a victim shame either.
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Speaker 4: You know, if these are victims, they need to be
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Speaker 4: seen as victims for what happened to them, and they
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Speaker 4: shouldn't be tarnished with any kind of negative reputation when
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Speaker 4: if they truly are victims, that's what they are.
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Speaker 10: They're victims.
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Speaker 1: Guys, if you know or think you know anything about
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Speaker 1: this case about so called cool mom, Shannon O'Connor plays
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Speaker 1: dial for zero eight eight zero eight four four zero
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Speaker 1: zero repeat four eight eight eight forty four one hundred goodbye.