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S02Ep18 - How Did The Bull Brotherhood Really Begin? · The Bull Brotherhood

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go. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome
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to another episode of the Bull Brotherhood Podcast.
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I'm one third of your podcast team, Mr. Brian
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Morgan, a .k .a. the Sigma male himself, the
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Long Wolf, along with my podcast family, the
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lovely Siren. What's going on? Hey, Unc. All
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right now. And of course, the nephew himself,
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Socrates. What's good, bad boy? What's good,
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Unc? What's good? I can't call it, can't call
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it. Ladies and gentlemen, tonight we have a very,
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very special podcast because we're going to turn
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it over to Siren, and she's going to interview
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myself and Socrates, and we're going to tell
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you our origin story, how we met, how we got
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started, and how this has gone from uncle and
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nephew to family, really, really family. So I'm
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going to turn it over to Siren and let her have
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it right now. Take it over, brother. Thank you,
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Wonk. So everyone, the last episode, I believe
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we were talking to me and kind of my history
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and my journey. And so I was like, you know what?
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We have done me and Socrates origin story. We've
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done Brian's by himself. We've done mine by himself.
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I think we've done Socrates on his own. So it's
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time to talk about how these guys met. how everything
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came together for this podcast and how I got
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included in this awesome experience. So I'm just
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going to start from the beginning. So how did
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you two originally get connected? Who connected
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you guys? How did that happen? Don't all speak
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at once. You got to jump in, Brian, because you
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know my husband, he's a man of many words. And
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that's fine. I mean, he'll probably have to jump
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in. But, I mean, from what I remember, actually,
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we first came into contact, this has been three
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years ago. And I think, yeah, because we've done
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two Atlanta Mokas in the new hotel, correct?
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And we met in the old hotel. So, yeah, it's been
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three years ago. So that was before we got married.
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Okay. I, along with Mr. Mocha, Michael C., and
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I don't remember if, nephew, if you were standing
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there with us in the lobby by the bar talking.
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Yeah, I was. At that time. Okay, you were. Okay,
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you were. You were. But we were just talking.
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We were just kicking it. And Michael C. uh said
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hey you know we're going to do a podcast and
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and i guess he invited well i know he invited
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me i don't know if socrates you guys were already
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you know already set to do to do the podcast
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but you know mike wanted me to join and uh i
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joined and that was the initial you know meet
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um me finding out who the the perpetual student
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at the time socrates was so That's how I made
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contact with Socrates. And what was like your
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first impression, Socrates, of Brian when you
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met him? Had you heard about him before? Was
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it just like, oh, hey, here's this guy and introduce
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him? Or had you already heard something about
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him? Tell me about meeting him and what your
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initial thoughts were. Well, these gentlemen,
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you know, the people I call the squad. What I
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love about them is they don't say anything in
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the beginning. They check you out. They talk
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to you. Then after they've talked to you and
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they've asked you a few questions, really just
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chopping it up, then they'll bring you. So, no,
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I didn't hear anything, but I knew there were
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rumblings about them. That is a great question,
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so I want to... Say this carefully. I feel like
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I need to say no homo and no diddy in front of
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this one, but I need to say both of them. We
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don't even own baby whales. Yeah, exactly. I
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imagined two things. I am huge into mentors.
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Learned that from Tony Robbins back in the 80s.
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And I had imagined. the way a statesman of the
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bull, um, the bullosphere, uh, and his demeanor,
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his mentality and his intellect. And within five
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seconds, I knew that was Brian. So, you know,
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it was more of a like, this is what i'm this
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is what i'm imagining a bull and how he looks
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and conducts himself and what comes out of his
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mouth and his you know swagger all of that and
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then or riz as the kids say these days um and
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then once we sat down i think i said next to
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him on the podcast and he mentioned sigma male
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i was like okay done that was it i was like And
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what was it about when he said Sigma Male? Why
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do you say done? What did that mean to you? I
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think we've seen it a lot. I've heard it in their
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voices and I've seen it in their faces. You start
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saying the bulls that like our podcast, the ones
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that want to aspire to what we're doing or are
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doing it at a higher level than even me, what
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they like about it is the framework of how we
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view. being a bull, even being ethically non
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-monogamous, poly, kink, all of those things
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are perspective on the world. And the Sigma male
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allowed a container of ideas and everything fell
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into place. And the more he was describing it,
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you know, and he does that Southern swag that
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only, honestly, I'm from Tennessee and I'm born
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in Tennessee. I grew up in LA, but. I love my
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Tennesseans. I love the South, but I'm not going
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to lie. From my perspective, I've just noticed
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a kind of swagger from people from North Carolina
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that is unique, not better. I'm not going, you
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know, I don't want no pimps from Memphis yelling
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at me. You know what I'm saying? But it's a uniqueness
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to it. And so you add that and you add the philosophy.
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It's almost like if a... It's almost like, in
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my opinion, a Buddhist monk mixed with Mac the
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Pimp. You know what I'm saying? So in my mind,
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when you say something like that, because I understand
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what a monk is, but I don't know who Mac the
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Pimp is, right? Is that like a character? But
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what I imagine is just someone. Who has the swagger
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to be able to talk to women, to get women, but
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also is taking his craft very seriously. Has
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that somberness about him like a monk does. You
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know, very intentional. You got it. Intentional
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is like the biggest word that I think of when
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I think of Brian. You got it. Yeah. You know,
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a monk just represents the ultimate commitment.
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Because people don't understand when you're a
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monk, that's your life now. You've dedicated
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your entire life to the pursuit of whatever the
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religious or philosophical, you know what I mean?
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The monk, the monkness. So, yeah. So when you
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sit down and you realize that, Uncle, I need
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to ask you, he had it written down, you know,
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and I didn't realize that in the podcast. But
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then when I called him, I was talking to him
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and he started reading off characteristics of
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a Sigma male to me. And then he started reading
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me and he knew it was me. He's like, oh, this
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is you're this type of Sigma male. It's just
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something that has to do with being able to hold
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multiple concepts in their mind at once and run
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them simultaneously. I knew that about myself.
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I just didn't describe it. I didn't know how
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to describe it. When he broke it down on that
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fucking level, like that's some monk shit. That's
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some like, we go into the vault. There's a, you
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know, there's a master standing in front of the
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vault 24 hours. And then you got to know the
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secret spiritual combination to get in that motherfucker.
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And then. He started reading it to me. Now, the
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ways of a bull is there's very different kinds
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of sigmas. And I'm like, damn. And it just made
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sense to me. If you talk more like that, my pussy
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would be wet even more often. Okay, I lost my
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train of thought. And Brian, for you, when you
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met Socrates, what were your initial thoughts?
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Nephew immediately stood out in conversation.
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When we were standing downstairs by the bar and
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we were just, like you said, we were just chopping
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it up. And the way that he spoke, I was like,
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okay, this guy here is something different. He's
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different. He can be a dominant person. He can
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be a dominant guy. But I was like, he's something
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different. i didn't say to him you know do you
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know anything about like what the male archetypes
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are like a sigma you know alpha gamma et cetera
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et cetera but i could feel his his his his energy
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was leading towards somebody who i want that
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that i wanted to not only talk to but really
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get to know um and another thing that really
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set it off to when i was giving the the the traits
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of a Sigma male and saying, you know, things
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the way I say it, he started taking notes. He
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started writing things down. And I was like,
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okay, this guy here, he's ready to elevate his
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game. He's ready to elevate his game. Because
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I remember looking at everybody when I was talking.
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I know, Socrates, you even looked at, like, Michael
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C. and Mocha. And they had looks on their faces
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like, what the fuck is he talking about right
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now? And when I finished, I remember Mocha was
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like. How do I, you know, what do I say now?
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Right. And that was the first time people need
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to understand. I had up to that point, listened
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to every single episode of Michael C's podcast
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and Mr. and Mr. and Mrs. Mocha's podcast. We
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are now best friends, like literally. And I had,
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this is after, and you can ask Siren and you
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can ask Mrs. Mocha, me and this dude would be
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on the phone for hours. breaking down the the
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and this is the thing he uses he uses sung su's
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um uh is it the art of war you're talking about
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mr most yeah so he does kind of the same thing
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um from his perspective he uses those paradigms
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in his entire life and he takes it to life so
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i was like to stunt and to elevate mr mocha And
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the godfather of cuckolding and podcasting, that
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guy, that guy, I was like, oh, you know. So it's
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like Gibraltar, you know what I mean? Like that
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old school commercial when Gibraltar talks, people
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listen. You know what I'm saying? The whole room
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was just like, we're just going to absorb this
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wisdom. And I didn't realize that that's when
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you guys met. In my mind, I thought you met at
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your bachelor party. And so that's why I was
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like, well, we need to get this on the podcast
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because even your own wife was like, you know,
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but ladies and gentlemen, like, excuse me, I
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was running around chasing dick. I didn't care
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who my husband was talking to or what great new
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things he was learning. I had one mission and
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one mission only. So, you know, then fast forward,
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your bachelor party was like the next year. So
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you guys met in. 2023 then and then in 2024 when
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you had your bachelor party in new jersey and
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michael c threw that for you which i was like
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this is awesome like this guy who has been someone
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you looked up to um you know a hero to you you
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know someone that you have learned so much from
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and then he's throwing your bachelor party i
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was like this is super cool so and then there
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was really awesome people that were there and
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then you came back and you were just You were
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showing me a picture. You sent me some pictures
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from there, and Brian was in them. And then from
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there, that's when I really had the awareness
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that you guys were friends and building that
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friendship. So tell me kind of about how you
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built your friendship from that initial meeting
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to the bachelor party to here. And I'd like to
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hear from you first, Brian. Well, first of all,
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I was so glad that I went. Because at first I
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wasn't going to go because I had something that
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was kind of keeping me back in Wilson. But then
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I decided to go because I wanted to, like I said,
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I wanted to chop it up with Socrates. And then
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Michael was very, very, you know, adamant about
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me coming. I mean, you know, when he called,
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he was like, man, you know, come, you know, come.
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You know, I really want you to be there. Just
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when Socrates walked in, his energy when he comes
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in the room and greets you, you know, I've shaken
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a whole lot of hands in my life. And I've given
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a whole lot of, you know, love and that, you
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know, to brothers before. But when he hugs you,
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you can feel. There's nothing phony about your
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husband. There's nothing phony about him. And
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that makes me like, I mean, I just want to get
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to know the dude, you know. I'm a younger brother
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and I always said, you know, I wish I had that
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younger brother that I, that I could pretty much
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like have with me all the time. And I told him,
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I think the last time when he was here, I told
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him, I said, brother, if you lived in North Carolina,
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Carissa would be upset. Oh, excuse me. Siren
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would be upset. Siren would be upset. Because
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you would be with me all the damn time. No, I
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wouldn't because in North Carolina, there's a
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lot more what I like. So I'm sure while you guys
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are hanging out, I'll be hanging out with somebody.
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I'll be just fine. One of my play partners that's
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become a very good friend, he's actually moving
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there soon. I don't know what part, but I'm going
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to make sure you guys are connected. His name
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is also Brian. So the Brian's there. Um, so,
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and I totally agree with you about the energy
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that he brings to a room. I, you know, in my
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single life between the, you know, my first marriage
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and him, you know, interacted with, with lots
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of men. But when I met him, I met him like December
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1st, December 11th. I like brought him to a party
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with me, like a Christmas party, like a vanilla.
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thing um because i knew instantly that he would
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be someone that could be in a room with anyone
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i wouldn't have to worry about what he was gonna
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say or do i wouldn't need to like make sure and
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like he wouldn't be hanging on me like he would
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just flow through the crowd so instantly that's
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something that you can pick up about him pretty
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quickly is that socially like he's a complete
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extrovert he loves people loves to be where they're
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at and can pretty much create a conversation
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with anybody about whatever so exactly exactly
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he's he's not trying he's not trying to take
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the room but just the energy that he brings he
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makes he makes everyone in the room smile and
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he wants everybody to be happy he wants everybody
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to be happy and i like that i like that you know
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i like that um so that drew me you know that
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drew me to him And I knew that we would, you
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know, during the weekend, that we would just
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get a chance to just, like, kind of watch each
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other and just vibe off of each other. You know,
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because I knew he was watching to see how I,
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you know, acted around people and everything.
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And I was saying to myself, now, okay, if you're
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looking at me, you just come see how I am. I
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pretty much sit in one spot, and I'm looking
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at everybody. I'm just, I'm monitoring. I'm monitoring
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how everybody's taking in what Michael C is saying.
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I'm monitoring how everybody's, to the rest of
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the people that were there, I was just looking,
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just looking and looking. And, you know, when
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it was time to, you know, like talk to somebody,
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he knew how to, he knew how to like blend in
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with me very, very well. And that's something
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that usually I don't even let happen. I don't
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let another guy come in and the both of us start
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talking to somebody or something like that. Because
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that's just never been me. But he makes it very,
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very easy for that to happen. So I knew right
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then, I was like, okay, either we're going to
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be very, very close or... I don't know. We're
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going to end up doing something together. I didn't
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think podcasting or anything like that, but I
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was like, we're going to stay close. This is
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going to be more than just a friendship. This
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is going to turn into a brother type relationship.
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I have been very, very happy to call him little
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brother ever since, or nephew, whichever one
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you want to be called. To me, he really has turned
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into a brother. He really has. And, babe, from
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your perspective, you know, first of all, this
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is the, like, you know, Socrates has had a couple
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of marriages under the belt. And you never had
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a bachelor party before, right? So here is this,
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you know, new to the lifestyle wife. And I was
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only nervous until Michael C. explained to me,
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like, how the weekend was going to go. because
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in my mind i gotta just have a movie of how it's
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gonna go then i'm fine so he's like okay we're
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in a hotel these couples are coming and then
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he mentioned like who was coming and i knew one
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of the couples we'd already interacted great
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people um so then i instantly was like oh okay
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like cool Big office. So, you know, it was exciting
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for you to, like, have a bachelor party to begin
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with and then to have a lifestyle bachelor party.
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Like, score. So how did you feel, though, like,
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them putting that all together for you and then
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also when you knew Brian was going to come? Like,
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what did that do for you? So, yeah, I'll go back.
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And, you know, I'm sure people, if you've been
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listening to us, you've heard this story a million
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times. But if you're new, then. uh i don't mind
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i went from fanboy to one of the boys and i don't
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i'm not ashamed of that process so yeah when
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i got divorced i was in the lifestyle and it
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was very slow and very difficult i made a lot
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of mistakes and my ex -wife at the time was legitimately
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concerned legitimate issues um so it wasn't moving
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as fast as i wanted to i wasn't going in depth
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as well as i wanted to so when i became single,
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I went straight away to be a bull. And I've said
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this a thousand times, Michael C. led the way
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for that. And so I used to sit around and listen
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to him, especially because if you listen to his
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podcast, the fool's always got a damn drink in
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the mic, just like right next to the mic, swirling
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some ice on it. And I used to be like, man, if
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you don't stop trying to listen to the words.
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But I would sit there and listen and be like,
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man, I just want to just be in one of those,
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you know, play party rooms and just be chilling
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and just watch that motherfucker, you know, watch
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how he moves. And I'll take notes from there.
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Like I said, I'll take notes and just be watching
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you. To be at that point, actually at that point,
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I was actually his producer at that time for
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his show. I learned a lot about podcasting. Again,
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the Bull Brotherhood and this whole thing. It
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was a Michael C. birth. It's his idea. He's the
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baby daddy. Yeah, he's all of that. And so he
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was the one that knew, I got to get Brian Morgan
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to Socrates' bachelor party. He knew that. And
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then when there was a point when Mr. Morgan said,
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I might not go, I don't know if you noticed,
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but I'm going to tell you, it was me saying no.
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If I have to fly to North Carolina and pick him
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up myself, sedate his ass, he'd wake up with
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a whole bunch of all of the women for me on top
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of him for him to come. He coming. And I was
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like, not to take anything away from Michael,
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but I'm like, that's my boy. But I'm like, and
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I didn't know any of the other guys. And the
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other guys turned out to be cool as. as hell
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i i want to say their name but i'm not sure if
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i know their screen name so i won't but they
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are cool as fuck guys we've had them on the podcast
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and so when and so i made that made sure that
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happened when i found out he was coming that's
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when i felt complete because i love the play
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part the the females that came there they were
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great um Obviously, what Michael C. was doing.
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And it wasn't like a thing that he normally does
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because he throws a lot of parties locally all
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the time. He threw it together for me last minute
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because I wouldn't even know if we at the time
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had the points. Oh, yeah. We flew there on buddy
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passes. Exactly. The whole trip was like meant
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to be because, you know, I've been flying standby
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for a long time. But to get from where we live.
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to the party you know all the way in uh you've
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learned a new work yeah it was it's just like
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everything just kind of has to work out because
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there's some stops along the way that you know
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in flying standby if anybody knows about that
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it's got to be based on open seats and everything
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was just smooth like normally also you can't
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get into to the american express lounge with
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a standby ticket they want you this guy talked
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his way in both times on his layover so you just
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had the best trip like you know you you made
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it all the way there all the way back no no hitches
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we didn't have to reroute you to anywhere like
25:31
it was amazing every part of it and i was so
25:34
i was so happy for you because you know, and,
25:38
and my bachelorette was party was equally amazing.
25:41
So it's like, you know, but just to be able to
25:44
deepen those friendships, like that's the most
25:46
important part because that's something you've
25:48
said from the time that I met you. It was like,
25:50
you didn't really have any friends when I met
25:52
you. You had a couple of people that I was like,
25:55
Oh, okay. That's your friend. But I knew they
25:58
weren't friends. I knew they weren't those kinds
25:59
of friends. They're still cool people. We just,
26:01
they're. life paths going one way and i was right
26:05
but it wasn't what you were looking for as far
26:08
as the depth and the and the need and i'm just
26:10
so happy that you have that because you know
26:13
there's nothing there's nothing more miserable
26:15
than a guy that doesn't have friends and hate
26:17
and hates his job like i was like i'll stay away
26:20
from that guy so you know the quest for friends
26:23
was like a big deal to you and and i'm so thankful
26:26
for the the squad um and all the other friends
26:30
that you've made so so then you know we have
26:33
the bachelor you know you guys meet at mocha
26:35
we have the bachelor party then when did the
26:39
podcast idea start coming around well to go back
26:43
to the bachelor party the podcast idea started
26:48
um that night in my head but i didn't say anything
26:52
to him and the reason why is because not only
26:56
did i The way he interacted with the women, I
27:01
literally just copycat it and I just mimic because
27:06
you always learn better by doing. And the results
27:10
were amazing. One of the things he did, if you
27:14
don't mind, we're going to talk about this more
27:16
when we have some guests we're coming on that
27:19
are in the medical profession. We're excited
27:20
about them. But can I talk about your STI protocol?
27:25
Yeah, sure. So one of the things I was very impressed
27:28
with is I know that he stays on top of his STI
27:34
testing consistently. And what he does is he
27:37
brings, I don't know if it's more than one copy,
27:41
but he brings a copy of his STI. And I think
27:43
you bring one for somebody else to take too,
27:46
right? Or for their own. I bring at least, like
27:49
when I go to Splash, I have bought, I think,
27:53
what? last splash i bought my last like six months
27:57
worth worth of tests yeah i want you to know
27:59
i want you to know that you are meeting and playing
28:03
with a absolute clean person right all right
28:09
um and and and i mean no this is not just me
28:14
you know showing you this but this is me showing
28:18
the utmost of respect to each and every couple
28:21
that i meet I want the husband to look at this.
28:24
I want the wife to look at this. I want everybody
28:27
to see. And then I want you to go back and tell,
28:29
you know, hey, this dude, damn, he bought his
28:32
last six month worth of tests and they land out
28:34
on the down dressing in his room. You know what
28:36
I mean? Right. I mean, I don't play with that.
28:39
I don't play with that. I think that would be
28:43
so freaking embarrassing, so embarrassing to
28:46
give somebody something, you know, at any event.
28:50
Or, I mean, just period. You know what I mean?
28:53
So, yeah, I do that. That's a part of my – of
28:56
keeping myself clean. And, I mean, I have other
29:00
things that I do. And I'm just – everybody knows,
29:04
you know, you guys know how much of a fitness
29:06
buff that I am in trying to keep myself, you
29:08
know, looking good for my age. And, I mean, that's
29:11
just – and here again, I know that's going to
29:12
be another podcast that we're going to do when
29:15
we discuss how we – you know, how all the bulls
29:18
should – keep themselves up, you know what I
29:21
mean? No matter what your age is and, uh, if
29:24
you are really active in the, in the life, or
29:26
if you're not that active in the life, but just
29:29
for self, just for self. I mean, it's, that's
29:32
just something that, I mean, that's just a no
29:34
-brainer to me. Absolutely no -brainer. Yeah.
29:37
I like that you touched on that because, you
29:39
know, it is such an important, especially for,
29:42
you know, anyone like, like us that, that do,
29:45
you know, we're in the lifestyle. So I, you know,
29:49
Socrates and I get tested every month or two.
29:53
We take medications. We play safe. We do everything
29:57
we can to keep our community safe, and I think
30:00
that's a big part of being a leader. So thank
30:03
you for encouraging that and being such a good
30:07
example of just keeping our community safe in
30:11
that way and the other ways too. So where was
30:15
that point where you guys were like, we're going
30:17
to do the podcast? It was after we had – Unc
30:21
was on a couple. I think he was on Michael C's.
30:23
He was on Orgasm Faces now. And, you know, I
30:29
was listening to him. I might have been on some
30:31
panels with him, I think, and I was like, look
30:33
at the way he talks. Look at the way he articulates
30:35
himself. He has a military -style discipline
30:39
of being consistent, you know, which we've known.
30:42
I've gotten on the phone with him, and we used
30:45
to do a lot of – prep talk you know time where
30:48
i want to check the sound and make sure everything's
30:50
good getting to know this and i could tell he's
30:53
like i don't feel like being here but i've made
30:55
a commitment you know and there's been times
30:58
he's like hey i got family or other expectations
31:00
i can't show up and then there'll be times where
31:03
he will sit down with us and we'll do two or
31:06
three episodes just to stack them up so we have
31:08
to be consistent so it was And that, and I just
31:12
brought it up to him one day, like, man, what
31:14
do you think about this? Because it wasn't, it
31:16
was going in a different direction for Michael
31:18
C. I think he was at that time spending more
31:20
time on some cuckold events. And I'm, you know,
31:25
I kind of have ADHD in the sense of like, I got
31:30
to move. I got to, what are we doing? And so
31:32
I was like, why don't we do it? And then. And
31:36
at the same time. You were in touch with my vision
31:41
to speak to women, especially about sexuality.
31:44
And you were like, we could be doing both of
31:46
these things. You could be having your own podcast.
31:49
So they were kind of born about the same time.
31:52
It's like, you're doing all this. Let's get yours
31:55
going. maybe recorded one or two and then you
32:00
guys had recorded a couple and then brian was
32:03
like so wanted me to come on so brian what made
32:07
you want to invite me to be a part of the bull
32:09
brotherhood podcast team well i felt like we
32:14
needed that female that female role um if we
32:18
were going to be the bull brotherhood and we're
32:20
gonna you know we're aiming everything towards
32:23
bulls I felt like we needed a female perspective
32:27
and who better than, you know, Socrates better
32:32
half. And I did at the time, I didn't know that
32:36
you were also going to do, you know, the sound
32:38
of freedom podcast. But when he said that, that
32:41
you were going to launch that, I was like, well,
32:43
damn, that'll kind of, you know, bounce off of
32:48
each other very, very well. And you guys, you
32:53
guys were all. all up and and and and ready to
32:57
go it was me who and i mean i didn't say anything
33:00
but i was like brian what the hell are you doing
33:02
you don't talk that's that's what a sigma i mean
33:07
you you're going against everything that the
33:08
sigma the lone wolf does we don't talk you know
33:12
me i'm i am not in conversation piece i am not
33:15
um i lead by example um When I do speak, it's
33:20
usually, you know, it's something that's like,
33:23
boom, it's right there to the point. And it might
33:25
be a few words or a few phrases, but it hits
33:28
home, and then I shut the hell up. And I was
33:31
like, now how the fuck am I going to do this
33:33
on a damn podcast? You know what I mean? And
33:35
I know Socrates is going to be like, you know,
33:36
Unc, I want to, you know, you need to talk and
33:40
you need to do this and you need to do that.
33:42
But, you know, I was very, very, like, hesitant
33:45
at first. I was very hesitant. And I know the
33:48
first couple of, podcast that we did i was like
33:50
when we got off i was like man i fucking suck
33:53
oh i see so it was really you wanted to add me
33:59
so you would not have to talk as much no no no
34:03
no no no but i knew though i knew that i was
34:07
like okay we can when we start talking about
34:09
different things i said we can chime in i said
34:12
we got a female right here you know what do you
34:14
think about this and you can go you can go with
34:17
it um And I mean, I think everything worked out
34:21
pretty doggone good because, like I said, I was
34:23
at first I was like, hell no, I can't do this
34:26
because, you know what I am. I am going I'm going
34:29
totally against the grain of what I am and who
34:31
I've always been. And but, you know, I did say,
34:36
well, I can still be Sigma and give my thoughts
34:39
because there I think there are a lot of men
34:42
out here who. uh they hear the term alpha you
34:46
know alpha male and alpha bull and they get fooled
34:49
a lot of times a lot of guys try to be alphas
34:52
and you know i just i just said try to be alphas
34:55
alpha is alpha i i think that's something that
34:59
you're born with you know if you want to try
35:01
out in the front exactly exactly so you know
35:06
and you gave you gave men permission to just
35:09
be themselves they're like i could try to be
35:11
alpha i'm just i'm not fucking alpha that's it
35:14
you know that's it and that's i think that the
35:16
two podcasts launching at similar times was very
35:19
wise on socrates part he did you know of course
35:22
he did his research as always and you know but
35:25
that was a place to send female listeners to
35:29
but you know they just tie well together and
35:33
then we'll refer back to the bull brotherhood
35:35
we've done some podcasts lately too that are
35:37
gonna appear on both shows um yeah so you know
35:41
it's been good to just to bounce back and forth
35:45
like because mine is not necessarily a lifestyle
35:48
podcast it's a sexual freedom podcast but we
35:51
talk about all the genres like i recorded last
35:54
night um with the lovely london And we talked
35:58
about sex and the nervous system, you know, and
36:02
regulation. So there's been just like a whole
36:05
wide variety of things that we've covered. you
36:07
know, primarily for the bulls, but I think a
36:09
lot of women have gotten a lot out of the podcast.
36:12
So, you know, good for you for speaking up and,
36:15
and, and adding that together. Like, I just think
36:18
that the team just works really well. Um, Socrates
36:21
likes to have everything in three parts anyways.
36:23
So having a three -part podcast team really,
36:27
you know, just, just fit the pattern. So, um,
36:31
so we start this podcast, like, and you guys
36:34
continue to grow your friendship. Tell me about
36:37
when the squad really come together. You know,
36:40
like we only have two members of the squad on
36:42
here today. Or as I call them, I call them the
36:44
council because to me, the council, that word,
36:48
you know, invokes for women, you know, visions
36:52
of authority, safety, someone that we can bring
36:57
our problems to. So in my ladies chat, which
37:00
if anybody's listening, reach out to me at Siren
37:03
1982 on Telegram. Or if you don't have Telegram,
37:07
then you can't be part of the group. Sorry. So
37:10
send me a message on there and we'll add you.
37:14
But, you know, being able to tell the ladies
37:17
like, hey, if there is a bull that you're having
37:20
problems with, you know, there is a group of
37:23
guys that care, that want to listen to your concerns
37:27
and what's going on with them and give advice.
37:30
Or maybe they can go talk to him, you know, if
37:33
it's a small thing or a large thing. they will
37:36
bring it into their borders, discuss it at length,
37:42
especially if it's a large issue. And they really
37:44
take the time to dissect everything and look
37:47
at all the angles to really help keep our community
37:50
safe. So that's why I call you guys the council
37:52
to the ladies. But how did the squad kind of
37:57
come together and you guys just be like, okay,
37:59
this is the six of us. This is who we are. All
38:02
of you are so... individually um have so much
38:08
to bring to it like everybody has their different
38:10
qualities like it's a it's a really great you
38:14
know complete package i think of of men in the
38:19
lifestyle i think michael i think michael c um
38:25
has a lot to do with that with like bringing
38:28
all of us together one thing mike does um Whenever
38:33
he calls you, you better be ready. He might be
38:37
calling you, but if you got a minute to talk,
38:41
he's going to say, okay, let me connect Socrates
38:43
or let me connect Mocha. Let me connect Dimitri.
38:48
You know what I mean? Pagan, Pagan's a little
38:51
harder to get in touch with a lot of times, but
38:54
he will chime in and he wants to talk with everybody
39:00
at one time. And I know we've done that on a
39:05
couple of occasions and the conversations that
39:07
we can have, they can be lifestyle oriented or
39:13
they can be just about life in general. Just
39:16
what you're going through. You know what I mean?
39:19
I know I like to ask guys, you know, what's going
39:23
on, man? You know, everything okay, et cetera,
39:25
et cetera. Michael sees the same way Socrates
39:27
is too. Again, we all. We all are different in
39:34
a lot of ways, but each one of us, I think has
39:37
a heart of gold. Each one of us does. We may
39:41
short a little bit differently, but every, every,
39:44
every man here is a grown ass man. And I can
39:48
honestly say that I know that we genuinely care
39:52
and we, we've grown to like love one another
39:55
in a very, very short period of time. If we don't,
39:59
if I don't hear from you, you know, in like X
40:02
amount of time. I'll ask somebody when I talk
40:05
to them, hey, man, have you talked to such and
40:07
such, such and such? Like I hadn't heard from
40:09
Mr. Mocha in a little while. I took it as long
40:13
as I could. I had to text. You know, I asked
40:15
somebody, had you talked to him? They hadn't.
40:18
I said, man, let me send a text. It wasn't a
40:21
few hours, you know, until I heard from him.
40:24
So, I mean, that's just, that's how we are. That's
40:27
just how we are. And I think that's something
40:29
that is lacking with a whole lot of men. Oh,
40:34
100%. In the vanilla world and this world, all
40:37
of men lacking of connection. I was even encouraging
40:42
Socrates to, I said, sometimes if you need your
40:46
squad, I was like, men need to be more vulnerable
40:49
to each other. And just like, hey, man, when
40:51
I don't hear from you in a couple days, like.
40:55
it really affects me. And when I hear from you,
40:57
it brings me up and it really helps me in a lot
41:01
of ways. You know, if I'm struggling with something,
41:03
knowing that you guys are there in the background,
41:05
but I know me and Mrs. Mocha talk. damn near
41:09
every day if we can um and we're just always
41:12
encouraging our husbands like you know especially
41:14
if they're getting on our nerves he he like hey
41:18
have you called and talked to mr mocha lately
41:21
because they need each other and you know have
41:23
you called socrates have you called one of your
41:25
squad because you guys need each other and Some
41:29
of the things that you're going through, it's
41:31
like, oh yeah, I just need to pick up the phone
41:33
and call one of my boys. Just like men are always
41:36
encouraging us to talk to our girlfriends, that's
41:39
a very common thing in society. But as women,
41:42
we need to encourage our partners to reach out
41:46
and have male friends and male influences. You
41:49
guys are very, very fortunate because I've never
41:52
in my 40 plus years seen... A group of guys that
41:58
can, you know, just come together like you guys
42:01
and just support each other and and share the
42:04
wisdom that you guys have. And I hope the ladies
42:07
know if if you see any of these six guys at any
42:09
event anywhere and you need something, if you
42:13
need help, if you need assistance, you know,
42:16
even if you feel like you don't even know them,
42:18
like you can go up there and they will and talk
42:21
to them and they will 100 percent help you and
42:23
try to to direct you to to what you need. At
42:26
the event. Even if what you need is some dick.
42:36
He just shoots down the hole like, that's about
42:43
more than the pussy. I was trying to be serious.
42:49
He's always getting on me. He's always getting
42:51
on me about like, don't be acting like the 13
42:54
-year -old boy in the room. And then he just
42:57
goes and takes my lovely sometimes. I don't have
43:04
a pillow close to me or I'd throw it at him.
43:07
Good thing you're so damn cute. Anyways, ladies,
43:12
if you want some dick or not, if you want some
43:16
just anything that you need, I'm just talking
43:19
about emotional or physical safety. something
43:22
that you need you know these guys will point
43:24
you in the right direction so and they'll give
43:27
you some they'll give you some dick but if you
43:29
don't want that from them there's other things
43:32
that they can provide as well absolutely that's
43:41
you you've been quiet oh no i was just i was
43:45
she's um she's running this This show pretty
43:48
good. I was waiting on her next question. You
43:50
didn't tell Brian what I'm wearing. You usually
43:55
tell him what I'm wearing. Yeah, that is true.
43:57
I'm too busy staring at it to describe it to
44:00
anybody. Okay, that's why you're quiet then.
44:03
She is now officially collared, and I love it.
44:07
Okay, outstanding. Yep. Outstanding. She is Socrates'
44:14
sub. Say that three times fast. I try to wear...
44:17
I always try to dress sexy too because it just
44:23
helps me bring me into the space of podcasting.
44:29
Lingery with blue on it, which is her style.
44:32
Lingerie. Oh, I can send Brian a picture. Yeah,
44:37
I'll text you. Now has she... Nephew, has she
44:40
earned that collar, or is she in training, or
44:43
what? She has been in training for a while. She
44:47
earned it, and she earned it with flying colors.
44:51
I put her through the wringer. I really did.
44:54
I take this shit seriously. We had the ceremony
44:58
and everything. She has been tied up and spanked.
45:02
put in her place and stood up for herself and,
45:05
and stood tall as a brat sub. She is a, if there's
45:10
levels one to 10, she's in a 14 level brat. No,
45:16
yeah, you're right. I'm just being funny. Um,
45:19
but you're trying to use my sarcasm back on me.
45:22
Yeah. So she's, she's been, yeah, she has been,
45:28
um, amazing to, Dom and to lead. And she has
45:35
been also challenged to. And this is what I asked
45:40
for, like literally prayed for is to wrangle
45:42
in and, you know, make sure we're on the same
45:45
page and going in the same direction. And she
45:49
has earned it. She has earned that thing and
45:51
she wears it with pride. And I'm proudful because,
45:54
you know, I earned that shit, too. So, you know,
45:58
we're excited about that state, that new phase
46:00
of our life. Anything else about you guys' friendship
46:04
journey? Where do you see yourselves in the next
46:08
five years of your friendship? I'm slipping into
46:14
boss mode here. I actually don't do interviews
46:17
for our companies anymore. It's so nice. We don't
46:21
even meet them until a couple of days or weeks
46:23
after they get going. We're looking forward to
46:29
the events. We were trying to get some this year.
46:31
A lot of our personal, I mean, the non -lifestyle
46:35
businesses that we own, we're requiring our attention.
46:38
I'm looking forward to that because I think the
46:42
key to any event is the vetting process and putting
46:46
the right people together. We're about vibe.
46:51
We're about putting the right people in the same
46:53
room and letting that, you know, seeing where
46:57
that goes, and it almost always goes in a great
46:59
direction. And we have a lot of things. There's
47:04
masterclasses we're going to be working on. You
47:07
know, I'm going to start digging a lot deeper
47:09
into the Sigma males perspective and paradigms
47:14
and turning that into a masterclass for anybody.
47:17
If you're a bull in the lifestyle or a single
47:20
man or just a vanilla guy trying to get better
47:24
at dating, these principles are going to help
47:27
you. In a way that I wish, you know, and trust
47:31
me, like, my vanilla life was almost damn near
47:36
as exciting as my lifestyle life. It's not. My
47:40
lifestyle life is way more exciting sexually
47:42
and just adventurous. But I did not, I wasn't
47:46
wanting for anything in that area. But the, I
47:53
wish I would have known a lot of the principles
47:55
that I've learned from the Sigma male. and that
47:59
i'm excited about getting out there and um and
48:02
then we talked about it last time i was there
48:06
i do want to just hang out with them for like
48:08
a week or two just know that the home base is
48:12
cool not even worry about the lifestyle stuff
48:14
there's plenty of stuff out there to do but just
48:16
go out there for a whole week and just chill
48:19
with them talk chop it up chase some women if
48:23
we want to or Enjoy some of the ones we already
48:26
know. Maybe when you're calmed down a little.
48:29
Yeah, yeah. Where we tell them affectionately
48:35
we're in the wild stage. But we're just hitting
48:38
our stride. So, you know, and I think, you know,
48:40
there will be those master classes. There, ladies,
48:44
there's coaching for women. If you want to coach
48:46
one -on -one with Siren on getting, you know,
48:50
where you want to go with sexual freedom. So
48:53
there's all kinds of options if you reach out
48:55
to us. We've got stuff on Patreon that you can
48:59
sign up for. But, you know, if you're just in
49:03
that spot where you need, you know, the podcast
49:06
is helpful, but if you need a little extra support
49:08
from any of us, you know, we have some different
49:11
things that are available to you. So just reach
49:14
out. So thebullbrotherhood at gmail .com. Yep.
49:18
Or the siren of freedom at gmail .com. Bull Brotherhood
49:21
on Instagram without the E from brother. So Bull
49:25
Brotherhood, no E on Instagram. And Bull Brotherhood
49:30
on Twitter. Actually, Bull Brotherhood on X,
49:34
right? Bull Brotherhood on YouTube as well. And
49:37
another thing we're excited about is some of
49:40
the coaching. And then we're building our community.
49:44
If you want to be part of the Bull Brotherhood,
49:48
That's going to be coming with, you know, being
49:51
invited to events, being on a list of bulls that
49:55
other bull promoters or other promoters of all
49:59
walks, you know, all kind of lifestyle. You know,
50:02
we talk to each other. And the ones that do it
50:06
well vet. And they don't, you know, it's like
50:08
we want the riffraffs out, but sometimes it's
50:10
about different styles. And we're building that
50:13
list of people that say, you know what, I've
50:15
committed to. The Bull Brotherhood Way. And that's
50:18
going to be an episode. The Bull Brotherhood
50:20
Way is going to be like, these are our values.
50:22
It's not about right and wrong, good and bad.
50:24
This is where we stand. This is the things that
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we feel like are important values and the things
50:30
that we feel like you shouldn't be fucking with
50:31
and the direction you shouldn't be going. That's
50:36
the Bull Brotherhood Way. And so you want to
50:38
be a part of that. Talk to us. Stay in touch.
50:41
We love to hear from you. And yeah. That's it,
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man. What about you, Hunk? What are you excited
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about for us? Brother, I think you hit everything
50:51
on the head right there. I am along for the ride.
50:55
In one of our podcasts, I gave the challenge,
50:58
actually the challenge to the other bulls out
51:00
there. Hit us up. Come in. Email us. Talk to
51:06
us. I suggest to a lot of the Bulls, get on YouTube,
51:10
because I've had people come to me and they were
51:13
like, hey, man, I was on YouTube last night,
51:15
talking to the Bull Brotherhood, caught about
51:17
two or three of your podcasts, and, you know,
51:19
I would love to talk to you. So I'm challenging
51:21
other Bulls to elevate, you know, elevate, because
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we're here and we're waiting. And we're going
51:30
to ride this thing until the wheels fall off.
51:32
Events. The podcast is going to get bigger and
51:36
better. We're going to have different guests
51:40
up here. Hopefully guests from the, I won't say
51:44
the P -O -R -N world, but the corn world, along
51:48
with the other lifestyle people. I mean, you
51:56
know, come on, let's go for the ride. That's
51:58
all I got to say. Let's do it. I think that's
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a wrap. That's the perfect way to end our show.
52:05
That's definitely a wrap. Ladies and gentlemen,
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ladies and gentlemen, give it up for the lovely
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Siren tonight. She did a wonderful job hosting
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this episode. And Socrates and I had a great
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time giving you our origin story. And if nothing
52:22
happens, we will be back next week and in the
52:25
near future with more episodes. So as I always
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say. To all my brothers out there, good night.
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And to all my sexy sirens and hot wives out there,
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good morning. Until we talk again, good night.