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Serial Killer Stalking Albuquerque, Body Count Rising · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How many dead bodies? How
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Speaker 1: many victims will it take literally getting gunned down on
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Speaker 1: the streak before the serial killer stalking Albuquerque is stopped?
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Speaker 1: How many families will mourn their loved one? I Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: here at Fox Station and series XM one eleven. First
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Speaker 1: of all, take a listen to this. In New Mexico,
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Speaker 1: a community and terror fearing a possible serial killer is
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Speaker 1: on the loose and gunning down Muslim men after a
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Speaker 1: string of what authorities are calling targeted killings across Albuquerque.
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Speaker 1: Police now on the hunt for this vehicle. If you
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Speaker 1: see a dark colored four door sedan Volkswagen Passant or Jetta,
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Speaker 1: we encourage you to call the police. That is a
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Speaker 1: freshly developed lead. A sixth generation Jetta we believe in
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Speaker 1: a charcoal or dark gray color with New Mexico tags
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Speaker 1: has become prominent in the search for a serial killer.
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Speaker 1: You were just hearing our friend Aaron McLoughlin at the
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Speaker 1: Today Show. Joining me is an all star panel to
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Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now. But as
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Speaker 1: it stands, there are four shooting victims whose cases have
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Speaker 1: gone unsolved and unavenged, as the family stands by wondering why. Who,
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Speaker 1: you may ask, are the victims? Are they dope dealers
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Speaker 1: out on the street. No? Are they miscreants of some sort?
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Speaker 1: Are they fleeing a crime? No. One of the victims
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Speaker 1: had just gotten his master's degree and wanted to change
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Speaker 1: the world by entering community relations in politics. One ran
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Speaker 1: a business with his brother. His brother says, now my
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Speaker 1: life means nothing without my brother. We came here for
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Speaker 1: the American dream, and he was gunned down in cold blood.
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Speaker 1: One victim hadn't just left the funeral. I'm another victim.
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Speaker 1: Pure hate is the motive in these killings. I don't
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Speaker 1: have to prove a motive, but I don't have to
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Speaker 1: search very far. All these men, sons, brothers dead, and
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Speaker 1: the case is cold. With me in Ulster, pell to
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Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now. But first
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Speaker 1: I want to go to a very special guest join us.
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Speaker 1: It is Mohammad Hussain. This is Asel Hussain's brother. So
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Thank you so much
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Speaker 1: for having me. It hurts me that you would even
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Speaker 1: thank me. Yeah, it's very painful. It's really my honor
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Speaker 1: having you on, and I'm praying for an answer. Tell
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Speaker 1: me about the moment you learned your brother as I've
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Speaker 1: been killed. This is very painful. You know, our whole
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Speaker 1: life was wild and her brother, he was a tiller
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Speaker 1: of our family. He was raised and start of our community.
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Speaker 1: He was a student leader. He was a community organizing
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Speaker 1: its juganizer. He worked wherever he go. He went to
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Speaker 1: university and he touched many hearts. He became student leader,
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Speaker 1: a genistic in Mexico. He was president of WIGD student union,
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Speaker 1: second Muslim in one hundred and fifty year history of
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Speaker 1: you know, hold on, I want to I want to
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Speaker 1: let that so ken. He was the second what he
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Speaker 1: was second the Muslim student leader in the hundred and
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Speaker 1: fifty year history of the University of New Mexico. You know,
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Speaker 1: mister Hussein, you're really striking a chord with me because
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Speaker 1: now my parents didn't get to get a college degree,
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Speaker 1: and they were convinced, you know, since we were little,
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Speaker 1: if you you know, can go to college, everything will
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Speaker 1: be fine. And we worked our whole way through college,
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Speaker 1: law school, grad degree the whole time, and somehow thought
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Speaker 1: that doing that would change our future. And I believe
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Speaker 1: it did it. And I'm thinking about your brother going
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Speaker 1: through school. I believe didn't he get his master's degree.
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Speaker 1: He got to his master's degree and offered that briefly
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Speaker 1: looking for Almy Strasbury. He joined his job as a
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Speaker 1: city planner and was promoted to that actor planning in
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Speaker 1: city of Espanowa, and he was very happy that. He said,
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Speaker 1: this is the city which has potential to grow, a
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Speaker 1: city between San Free and Las Alomos. He said, I'm
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Speaker 1: working hard for the development of infrastructure, study for working
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Speaker 1: on different projects. He was very ambitious to make the
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Speaker 1: city where he worked the progressive, developed and more advanced.
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Speaker 1: Mister Hussain is just striking me that he was doing
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Speaker 1: everything right above and beyond to ensure success and a
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Speaker 1: good life for him and your family. When did you
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Speaker 1: learn he had been killed? Oh God, that's very painful,
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Speaker 1: because he came from office around seven o'clock and I
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Speaker 1: kids and he were here, and around nine to fifty
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Speaker 1: and nine fifty five he got a call and he
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Speaker 1: just stepped out of the apartment and he's wonnered and
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Speaker 1: his keys were here. We thought that he's just outside
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Speaker 1: for a call. We didn't know that he got shot
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Speaker 1: just after five minutes, but we didn't call. After a
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Speaker 1: couple of hours, he called mine one one and asked,
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Speaker 1: this is my brother's wonnered that responding and they confirmed
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Speaker 1: that your brother got shot and I just said shot. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he's definite, really painful. Life fell apart. I saw even
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Speaker 1: a pillar of our family. He's a riding start. What
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Speaker 1: happened to him? He said, well, we can't tell anything.
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Speaker 1: We'll tell you tomorrow. So so for what we can
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Speaker 1: confirm that he is provided? Are ID provided your brother's
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Speaker 1: Who did that? Why did that? While someone wanted to
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Speaker 1: take even life? But what was more horrible? When I
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Speaker 1: went to medical examiner who asked about the top seed
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Speaker 1: report or people who live are ord was killed? He
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Speaker 1: was killed multiple multiple shots. He was killed from different directions.
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Speaker 1: He was ambushed someone waiting for him in the corner
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Speaker 1: where he didn't have time to escape, and he when escaped,
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Speaker 1: they shot him seven, eight, ten times with different weapons.
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Speaker 1: A handgun was used, medical examiners said, and a rifle
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Speaker 1: was used. He said, gentleman, a top seedpot. I said,
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Speaker 1: do you have a top seatport? He said, you will
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Speaker 1: not have the patience to read that top setport is horrible.
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Speaker 1: Whoever wanted to kill him, they wanted to finish him,
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Speaker 1: so that was the thing. Is quite horror in my
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Speaker 1: mind that there is someone who hasn't that extreme hatred
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Speaker 1: against him that they don't want him to breathe The
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Speaker 1: guy who lived in front of front of the house
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Speaker 1: where he got shot, he came outside, he said after
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Speaker 1: five minutes, and he said he was already gone before
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Speaker 1: police came. It was couple, he said a blog around.
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Speaker 1: Oh just one minute. Oh, mister Hassan, I am so
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Speaker 1: sorry and for everyone, for everyone listening. You know, it's
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Speaker 1: so easy to think, to doctor Jonathan Metzel joining us
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Speaker 1: UM Professor of Sociology and Medicine, Health and Society, Professor
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Speaker 1: of Psychiatry at Vanderbilt, Doctor Metzel, it's so easy for
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Speaker 1: everyone to think, oh, well, this happened in Albuquerque. This
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Speaker 1: is a hate crime against a Muslim man. That has
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with me. That's not true. Here, we've
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Speaker 1: got this guy who's gone all the way through university
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Speaker 1: with flying colors, got his master's degree. He's working as
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Speaker 1: a city planner and the city planner's office. He just
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Speaker 1: steps outside and bam, somebody shooting with two weapons. This
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Speaker 1: could happen to anyone, and there is a serial killer
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Speaker 1: attacking males and Albuquerque, we cannot disassociate ourselves from what
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Speaker 1: mister Hussein and others are suffering. Well, I agree completely.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just horrific and unifying and so deeply,
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Speaker 1: deeply tragic on so many levels. On one hand, I
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Speaker 1: think it's important to note that, relatively speaking, Albuquerque has
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Speaker 1: been a relative American success story in terms of welcoming
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Speaker 1: immigrants to the community. They've got a lot of people
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Speaker 1: from Pakistan, Afghanistan, other places, and what we see in
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Speaker 1: these stories is the power of that kind of welcoming narrative.
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Speaker 1: People come to this country, they work hard, they give back,
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Speaker 1: right the other victims in this case that started companies,
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Speaker 1: or we're just becoming citizens. We're giving back in so
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Speaker 1: many different ways, and so in a way, again, we
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Speaker 1: don't know what has happened at this moment, but it
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Speaker 1: does seem like the attack is not just on these
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Speaker 1: four people. It's an attack on the idea that people
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Speaker 1: can come here and work hard and contribute. And we've
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Speaker 1: seen it in Albuquerque before. There was an attempt to
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Speaker 1: burn down a mosque last year. Oh I'm so glad
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Speaker 1: you reminded me of that doctor Metzel, I had not
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Speaker 1: added in the attack on the mosque. Time stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace joining you right now in addition to doctor
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Speaker 1: Metzel and f Sal's brother Muhammad is saying another very
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Speaker 1: special guest, and Angel Selcito joining me. Ko At, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to get right with you because I need to
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Speaker 1: hear your facts. But I want to go to Edward
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Speaker 1: Ahmed Mitchell, National Deputy Director, Council on American Islamic Relations.
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Speaker 1: Mister Mitchell, I think I know what's going on. There
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Speaker 1: is someone directing their rage on Muslim men, fathers, brothers, sons.
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Speaker 1: I mean, everybody in this country is an immigrant. Almost
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Speaker 1: my ancestors came over broke and starving out of Ireland
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Speaker 1: to make a go of it. So the fact that
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Speaker 1: this hatred is directed to these men very very disturbing.
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Speaker 1: Mister Mitchell, absolutely, Nancy. You know, look over the past
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Speaker 1: ten twenty years, the American Muslim community has had to
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Speaker 1: deal with hate crimes, hate speech, moss being burned down,
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Speaker 1: Muslim woman having her jobs or off. So we're not
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Speaker 1: unaccustomed to dealing with that sort of violence. But what
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Speaker 1: we appear to be seeing in albergery if somewhat unpreceded
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Speaker 1: notion that four different Muslimen could be killed over the
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Speaker 1: course of nine months and right on the street. Mister Mitchell,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're a lawyer. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you've got probabeice criminal law or not. But m
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Speaker 1: modus operandi, memot of operation. I mean, they're not even
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Speaker 1: a shame. They're out shooting these men dead right out
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Speaker 1: on the street with impunity. Yeah. And I was a
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Speaker 1: prosecutor before I was a c rights attorney, and so yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's it's unbelievable, Nancy. And what's really unbelievable is the
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Speaker 1: person is still at large. At this point. We're happy
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Speaker 1: there's a full federal response. Now the FBI is working
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Speaker 1: with the local authorities. They're making some progress, but whoever
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Speaker 1: is doing this has to be stopped. And again we
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Speaker 1: have our suspicions about what the motive is, given that
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Speaker 1: all four men were Muslim of a similar ethnic background, working, living,
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Speaker 1: worshiping in the same area, all just targeted on the street.
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Speaker 1: But we won't know for sure until the person is caught.
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Speaker 1: Whoever they are, what they're doing is evil. And they
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Speaker 1: have got to be stopped. He just says something in
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Speaker 1: my mind very probitive, and I want to go to
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Speaker 1: another special guest I know very well, Paul's Zyke, former
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Speaker 1: police commander in Albuquerque, author I'll stop him from killing
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Speaker 1: them on Amazon. Paul, So great to have you with us, Paul,
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Speaker 1: thank you. I fully expect we're going to learn that
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Speaker 1: the killer was at or around the funeral of one
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Speaker 1: of the other victims, because we've got one victim at
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Speaker 1: the funeral, leaves the funeral, and that shortly after is murdyred.
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Speaker 1: I think that's very reasonable to assume. I mean, one
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Speaker 1: of the things that serial killers almost always are as
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Speaker 1: very methodical. You know, they stalk before they before they
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Speaker 1: actually take action. The ambush style that these killings to
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Speaker 1: take in place. They're hunting, why they're hunting a deer.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely it fits right into that category. And I also
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Speaker 1: just like to say, mister who's saying, my heart goes
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Speaker 1: out to use a fellow Albuquerque citizen and a fellow
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Speaker 1: human being and a member of the law enforcement community,
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Speaker 1: my prayers are with you and your family. I do
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Speaker 1: agree in answer with everything you're saying. You know, the
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Speaker 1: methodology of these of these killings, the m as you said,
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Speaker 1: the modus operandi um, you know over the last these
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Speaker 1: four killings has something very in common. And we've seen
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Speaker 1: this before. This is, you know, years ago, I mean
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Speaker 1: we had a mask grave site here. I mean we
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Speaker 1: still do. We have a memorial there where eleven women
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Speaker 1: were found in a mask grave. So this is something
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Speaker 1: that's not completely new to Albuquerque, unfortunately, do you Angel
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Speaker 1: Salcino joining US investigative reporter kot in Albuquerque. So great
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Speaker 1: to have you on with us. Angel and I were
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Speaker 1: we can meet under better circumstances one of these days.
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Speaker 1: But I can't help but wondering has there been a
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Speaker 1: ballistics match? I mean, I need you to start at
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Speaker 1: the beginning and go from there. But just right off
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Speaker 1: the top of the bat, we need to connect the killer.
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Speaker 1: I've got no doubt it is the same killer based
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Speaker 1: on the m O and the victim's similarities. But can
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Speaker 1: we not trace the weapon? Do we know the weapon? Well,
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Speaker 1: there are so many questions here, Nancy, you would think
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Speaker 1: with the first murder coming last November, murder was actually
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Speaker 1: connected to what happened on August first. So those two
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Speaker 1: were the first two that were connected. It basically started
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Speaker 1: the chain, the domino effect. If you will into this investigation,
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Speaker 1: and you would think that there has to be something
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Speaker 1: that connected something that was a year ago, almost a
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Speaker 1: year ago, barely ten months, right, And I think I
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Speaker 1: think another major question here is why why are in
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Speaker 1: law enforcement identifying this as a hate crime. And I
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Speaker 1: think it doesn't take a genius to a rocket scientist
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Speaker 1: to see that this is a highly motivated in the
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Speaker 1: targeted attack. But what they're trying to figure out is
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Speaker 1: motivated by what hey hey, Angel, And another thing, the
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Speaker 1: state doesn't have to prove motive, But you're right, Angel Celcido,
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Speaker 1: because if I can determine motive, which is obviously hay crime,
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Speaker 1: then it may help me identify the killer. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to circle back to you on the most recent development
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Speaker 1: regarding that sixth generation Volkswagen Jetta charcoal and color and
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Speaker 1: your Mexico plates. I want to figure that out. But
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Speaker 1: the bullets, the bullets, and I find it so evil
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Speaker 1: and so hateful. Back to Mohammad Hussain, the brother of Aseel,
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Speaker 1: the one I've been talking to you about that was
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Speaker 1: working the community planner's office. But there are three other victims,
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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about it. So it's like twisting
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Speaker 1: the knife, because not only does the killer murder another victim,
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Speaker 1: but it's right. It's like, hey, you go to the
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Speaker 1: funeral morning one of my victims, I'm gonna murder you.
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Speaker 1: Right after that, while you're still grieving one victim, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to murder another victims. It's twisting. The night when
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Speaker 1: my brother got shot and he was he was known
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Speaker 1: to everyone collresswoman and congressman men here, including our mayor
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Speaker 1: and the governor, and people started his vife. We made
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Speaker 1: a piece of session in his funeral, raised voice that
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Speaker 1: please me, but they will not come back. But we
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Speaker 1: want to catch those shooters. We do want no other brother, sister, mom,
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Speaker 1: or dad become victim of that by an all city
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Speaker 1: administration of Coress, congress people and City of Festal administration,
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Speaker 1: police chiefs all were there. But look what happens. And
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Speaker 1: the same night a guy who attended the funeral got shot.
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Speaker 1: That is something serious that those were shooters. They have
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Speaker 1: no returns of police. They have no fear that their
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Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies are working here. They have no fear
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Speaker 1: that someone are going to catch none whatsoever no fear,
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Speaker 1: No fear. Guys, we have been talking to our Saul's
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Speaker 1: brother Muhammad in tiaz Hu's saying there are three other victims.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at today. The latest
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Speaker 1: victim was shot dead Friday. Authorities have yet to name him,
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Speaker 1: but his family identifying him as twenty five year old
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Speaker 1: name Hussain, his brother in law telling NBC News, Naime's
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Speaker 1: friends found his body around midnight in a parking lot
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Speaker 1: east of the city. They went across the vehicle and
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Speaker 1: saw Naim and they opened the door. As soon as
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Speaker 1: they touched him, he sloushed over and fell over and
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Speaker 1: was he shot multiple times. The friends that saw the
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Speaker 1: body that said it was a head shot, so I
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Speaker 1: don't know if it was a single shot or for
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Speaker 1: multiple shots. Joining me is renowned medica who examiner for
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Speaker 1: the entire sta to Florida doctor Tim Gallagher. Not only
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Speaker 1: is he Luxury University Florida Medical School, but he is
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Speaker 1: the founder and host of the International Forensic Medicine Death
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Speaker 1: Investigation Conference. Doctor Gallagher, the ms are hard to mistake. Headshots,
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Speaker 1: multiple shootings, two weapons in public places. Now, you're absolutely right,
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Speaker 1: and he does make a good point. You know that
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Speaker 1: the killer was there. They were specifically targeted, They were organized.
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Speaker 1: You know, there were two weapons used. And they have
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Speaker 1: no fear of reprisal. They have no fear of the
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Speaker 1: law enforcement agency. You know. So these are people who
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Speaker 1: you know, obviously have done this before. Obviously I thought
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Speaker 1: about it, not being very organized. Take a listen again
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Speaker 1: to our friends from today. Hours before his murder name
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Speaker 1: had attended the funeral service morning. Two of the other
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Speaker 1: murder victims, Muhammad Afzal Hussain and off Tom Hussein, both
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Speaker 1: sean and killed days before in separate attacks. I remember
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Speaker 1: seeing him at the funeral and all I told him
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Speaker 1: would aout be careful. All three were from Pakistan, all
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Speaker 1: with the last name Hussain. Authorities now circling back to
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Speaker 1: see if those murders are in any way linked to
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Speaker 1: the Albuquerque killing of Mohammed Ahmadi in November of last year,
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Speaker 1: gunned down outside his family's store. Speaking of Mohammed Ahmadi,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends. Akob four Sharif Amadi.
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Speaker 1: Hadi owns ariana halal marketing cafe here at San Mateo
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Speaker 1: and Mountain. He says, his brother Mohammed Zahir Ahmadi was
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Speaker 1: a wonderful person. Why why they are shooting Muslim? Does
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Speaker 1: that make you angry? Of course I'm hungry. I don't care.
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Speaker 1: Is not my brother? Why did you kill human mez
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Speaker 1: Here was killed here in November seventh. The suspect didn't
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Speaker 1: even wait until late at night. Officers say they've responded
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Speaker 1: at sixty one sixty one pm November seven, was just
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Speaker 1: getting dark. Take a listen to more from our friends
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Speaker 1: at Ko before Sharif says his brother's a here just
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Speaker 1: came outside to smoke a cigarette when an attacker ambushing's
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Speaker 1: a here and shooting and killing him. Sharif says he
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Speaker 1: then had to clean his brother's blood off his own
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Speaker 1: sidewalk on somebody Jim and shoot him right behind her tips.
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Speaker 1: He says nothing inside the shop was touched. This was
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Speaker 1: not a robbery. Why they did this was he's against slowbody.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to get that visual out of my head
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Speaker 1: where the brother is literally cleaning the blood off the
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Speaker 1: sidewalk at their meet business. I've listened very carefully what
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Speaker 1: the brother has to say, and he says his own
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Speaker 1: life means nothing to him anymore. To Angel, Salcido joining
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Speaker 1: us from Koat. The two brothers had come to our
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Speaker 1: country seeking the so called American dream and had built
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Speaker 1: this business up from scratch. They devoted all their time
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Speaker 1: to the business that they ran together. Right, Yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: that's correct, Nancy. It's hard to imagine, right. I mean,
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Speaker 1: less than one percent of New Mexico is made up
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Speaker 1: of people who identify with Islam religion. And just to
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Speaker 1: think that four hate crimes, three in the span of
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Speaker 1: two weeks, could I don't want to say they are
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Speaker 1: hate crimes, but they could be hate crimes in just
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Speaker 1: the small city of Albuquerque. Is It's just a little
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Speaker 1: bit jarring. Now, very curious. I want to go to
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Speaker 1: Paul Zeke joining US Foreign Police Commander in Albuquerque. I
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Speaker 1: was listening to what the brother, Mohammad Zahir Ahmadi said,
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Speaker 1: and he says, quote came and shot him right behind
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Speaker 1: his head. That sounds like he's referring to a point
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Speaker 1: blank shooting, which means that part would have had to
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Speaker 1: get out of his car. Yes, that would very strongly
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Speaker 1: infer that it's also you know, an organized, almost gang
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Speaker 1: style shooting where somebody is firing point blank. There's going
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Speaker 1: to be evidence to support that, obviously through forensics, but
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Speaker 1: for sure that definitely point a strong picture of the
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Speaker 1: brazenness of these individuals. Daylight, they don't care. Out in
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Speaker 1: front of the street, they don't care. In an alley,
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Speaker 1: everything's got video cameras, they don't care. Geographically, the clustering
23:57
Speaker 1: of these locations is also something that is very significant.
24:02
Speaker 1: Do you take the you know, the one percent is
24:04
Speaker 1: that was previously stated of you know, Albuquerque being of
24:08
Speaker 1: Muslim descent, on top of the geographical clustering of these events,
24:13
Speaker 1: on top of the fact that they're occurring in the
24:16
Speaker 1: same manner, you know, multiple weapons, and it's almost impossible
24:22
Speaker 1: not to draw the conclusion when you say the geographical
24:25
Speaker 1: clustering locations, how close together geographically are the shootings. They're
24:31
Speaker 1: in one section of Albuquerque in ten blocks, five blocks,
24:34
Speaker 1: three blocks. What are we talking about? Some some ten
24:37
Speaker 1: some five some, you name it. There. They're a little
24:41
Speaker 1: bit of variant in there. But when you look at
24:44
Speaker 1: one area of our city, it's divided into mainly four quadrants.
24:48
Speaker 1: Southeast is one of those quadrants. To have all these
24:52
Speaker 1: scenes to play out with all the other commonalities, it's
24:55
Speaker 1: almost impossible to excuse the fact that, yeah, these are targeted.
25:00
Speaker 1: It's specific towards a certain type of individual, and these
25:04
Speaker 1: folks are out there looking for that and they're active.
25:08
Speaker 1: You know, I'm curious Paul's and Angel suseto either of
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Speaker 1: you know the answer this Angel joining us to koat TV.
25:15
Speaker 1: This is a business area. Where are the surveillance video cams.
25:19
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure, Nancy, that there are a lot
25:22
Speaker 1: of video sources that aren't yet being released to us
25:25
Speaker 1: during the investigation. Just to try not to interfere with
25:28
Speaker 1: that investigation. Well, that's probably where they got the Angel,
25:31
Speaker 1: where they got the volswagon Jetta idea from yes, And
25:34
Speaker 1: just to put this in perspective, Nancy, if you don't
25:37
Speaker 1: mind police channels, especially here in the metro Albuquerque police
25:41
Speaker 1: are now encrypting their dispass traffic to just try and
25:44
Speaker 1: again safeguard disinvestigation. Right, you don't know who these suspects are,
25:49
Speaker 1: you don't know if they have access to dispass traffic.
25:52
Speaker 1: And this has become an investigation that is also joined
25:56
Speaker 1: by the Federal Bureau of Investigations. So I'm sure there
25:59
Speaker 1: are a lot of information, a lot of video that
26:01
Speaker 1: will come out in the future that has not been
26:04
Speaker 1: not yet been released to us. Guys. I've told you
26:06
Speaker 1: about a Fazal who's saying his brother Muhammad and Diaz
26:11
Speaker 1: Hussein is joining us the city planner. I've told you
26:16
Speaker 1: about Naim Hussein. I've told you about Zahir Ahmadi who
26:21
Speaker 1: started a business, a meat business with his brother just
26:24
Speaker 1: gunned down the sidewalk outside of the business. But there
26:29
Speaker 1: is also Aftab saying take a listen to our friends
26:34
Speaker 1: at GNA. Muhammad off SAAL's family is in mourning after
26:38
Speaker 1: the twenty seven year old was found shot to death
26:41
Speaker 1: Monday night near Cornell and Garfield, less than a block
26:44
Speaker 1: from where he lived. Mamma was my youngest brother and
26:47
Speaker 1: he was very actively lively persona with much involved in community.
26:52
Speaker 1: Off Sal's brother, along with his two young nephews, were
26:55
Speaker 1: staying with him at the time of his death. He
26:57
Speaker 1: says around nine Monday night, off Sal went outside. A
27:01
Speaker 1: couple of hours went by and Offsal was still gone,
27:04
Speaker 1: so his brother called nine one one police told him
27:07
Speaker 1: his brother was dead. What can you tell me? Angel
27:10
Speaker 1: Celsido koa t TV about f tab well as it
27:17
Speaker 1: pertains to aft he was killed on July twenty six
27:20
Speaker 1: he has He also has the last name who was seen,
27:22
Speaker 1: which is definitely jarring. Considering the last three murders have
27:27
Speaker 1: been seen with different spellings, I should say Aftab was
27:30
Speaker 1: filled with an ei n instead of ai n ff.
27:33
Speaker 1: Tab Hussein's brother has just been photoed crying over his
27:42
Speaker 1: brother's grave. If Tab worked at a local cafe and
27:49
Speaker 1: he was gunned down on the sidewalk outside of his
27:54
Speaker 1: own home, take a listen to our Madison Connor at CBS.
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Speaker 1: The latest murder victim a young man from South Asia
28:05
Speaker 1: shot Friday night. Last Monday, twenty seven year old Muhammed
28:08
Speaker 1: I saw Hussain was gunned down. Forty one year old
28:11
Speaker 1: off top Husayn was killed on July twenty sixth. Both
28:14
Speaker 1: men were Muslim and from Pakistan. In all three cases,
28:17
Speaker 1: police say the men were ambushed with no warning. Authorities
28:20
Speaker 1: are also looking into the November twenty twenty one killing
28:23
Speaker 1: of Mohammed Amadi. The FBI now assisting Albuquerque police to
28:27
Speaker 1: see if they are all connected. There's now a twenty
28:30
Speaker 1: thousand dollars reward being offered for information leading to an
28:33
Speaker 1: arrest in this investigation. Crime Stories with Nancy grace. Yeah,
28:55
Speaker 1: I'm thinking a lot about the families we are not
28:58
Speaker 1: hearing from. Joining me is a Hussain's brother Muhammad, mister Hussein,
29:08
Speaker 1: tell me what cops are telling you about their investigation.
29:13
Speaker 1: So for after murder of my brother and the recent
29:18
Speaker 1: murder of my Hussan, cops is so far revealed picture
29:22
Speaker 1: of a vehicle that is potentially used for in these
29:26
Speaker 1: in all these crimes. So so it's great box bagen
29:32
Speaker 1: Jetta are stat So what other? Who are those people?
29:37
Speaker 1: What kind of weppened? They know that the same kind
29:40
Speaker 1: of same kinds of bullet shelves were were recovered from
29:47
Speaker 1: all these locations, which can can create a relationship that
29:51
Speaker 1: there is one serial killer or one globe poos going.
29:55
Speaker 1: Other than that, police and FBI didn't tell any other
29:58
Speaker 1: detail that either they have ident by any person that
30:01
Speaker 1: the person who is shooting as any race is the
30:04
Speaker 1: Asian or is white or blood or whoever is the
30:07
Speaker 1: person so far except the vehicle has been identified. No
30:11
Speaker 1: other detail that we relieved from APD here, Apps Department
30:16
Speaker 1: or FBI. And joining me, Edward Mitchell, the National Deputy
30:21
Speaker 1: Director or Councel on American Islamic Relations mister Mitchell. Certainly
30:28
Speaker 1: the fans have developed a profile, and let me just
30:31
Speaker 1: guess it's going to be a white male and the
30:36
Speaker 1: forties to fifties who has voiced in the past hatred
30:44
Speaker 1: toward Muslim Americans. That's our suspicion. Obviously we don't know
30:48
Speaker 1: for sure, but all signs currently point in that direction.
30:52
Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that they were all Muslim, all
30:55
Speaker 1: visibly people of color, all killed in that same area.
30:59
Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to imagine what else could be
31:02
Speaker 1: at play other than anti Muslim bigotry. And if it
31:04
Speaker 1: is anti Muslim bigotry, then yeah, the profile is usually
31:08
Speaker 1: something very clear as you describe, and there's usually a
31:11
Speaker 1: history of anti Muslim remarks, often on the Internet, and
31:14
Speaker 1: in fact, right now, Nancy, if you go online, you
31:17
Speaker 1: can find anti Muslim extremists celebrating these killings in the
31:21
Speaker 1: comments section of anti Muslim websites, praising whoever the killer
31:25
Speaker 1: is and encouraging them to do more. So, this sort
31:28
Speaker 1: of hatred is out there in society, and random Muslims
31:31
Speaker 1: are being victimized potentially because of that hatred. And this
31:35
Speaker 1: is not I mean, obviously, it's had a horrific impact
31:37
Speaker 1: in the families of victims, but the entire Albuquerquet Muslim
31:41
Speaker 1: community has also been affected by this right afraid to
31:44
Speaker 1: go outside, a fraid to go to the mosque. And
31:47
Speaker 1: so this is something that is really impacting thousands of
31:50
Speaker 1: people because this killer is still a leverage. You know,
31:53
Speaker 1: you just reminded me of something. I remember when the
31:57
Speaker 1: DC Snipers were at law and I would fly in
32:02
Speaker 1: from New York to DC at least twice a week
32:07
Speaker 1: to work with Larry King, and people were afraid to
32:13
Speaker 1: even go outside. Everybody was afraid because the victims or
32:18
Speaker 1: a cross section, there was nobody identifiable, no one group.
32:23
Speaker 1: And I'm just imagining the fear that mothers and fathers
32:27
Speaker 1: are having, sending their sons out on the street to
32:30
Speaker 1: go to school, to go to work, to step outside
32:33
Speaker 1: and have a cigarette for Pete's sake. That's what happened
32:37
Speaker 1: in one of these cases. Another issue too, Doctor Jonathan
32:42
Speaker 1: Metzel joining US Professor of Sociology and Professors Psychiatry at Vanderbilt.
32:50
Speaker 1: Doctor Metzel, very often I've seen that the killer covets
32:57
Speaker 1: or hates that which he see. That makes me wonder
33:02
Speaker 1: if the killer doesn't live in this area. I mean,
33:07
Speaker 1: hold on Angel Selcito. This is south east Albuquerque. Is
33:10
Speaker 1: there a very heavy Muslim concentration there? The most the
33:14
Speaker 1: Muslim population in Albuquerque is Yes, around that general area
33:18
Speaker 1: near the University of New Mexico is where that's concentrated. Correct.
33:22
Speaker 1: What does that tell you, doctor Metzel about our killer
33:25
Speaker 1: the identity of the killer? Well, I've studied mass shootings
33:28
Speaker 1: for the past fifteen years, and I would say that
33:30
Speaker 1: in cases like this that are so targeted, there is
33:34
Speaker 1: some backstory. Often the backstory is different in every case.
33:38
Speaker 1: I mean, certainly, I think hate is probably almost certainly
33:41
Speaker 1: the right term to use here. Um, this is also
33:45
Speaker 1: a serial killer. It's a different kind of serial killer,
33:48
Speaker 1: right than you know, somebody who locks people in the basement.
33:50
Speaker 1: This is a serial killer obviously also knows weaponry very
33:54
Speaker 1: well and is and is using high capacity you know,
34:00
Speaker 1: modern weapons in a way to to it's kind of
34:04
Speaker 1: a sniper plus a mass shooting plus a serial killing,
34:07
Speaker 1: all kind of mixed in together. And I agree with
34:10
Speaker 1: the other the other experts here that the level of
34:13
Speaker 1: organization is very high. Describe what you mean by that, well,
34:18
Speaker 1: just the level of planning, the level of obviously research.
34:21
Speaker 1: I mean, this is somebody who is targeting people coming
34:24
Speaker 1: from funerals or targeting people from the last name, which
34:27
Speaker 1: suggests some kind of registry, and so there's some kind
34:31
Speaker 1: of methodical nature. I think that that kind of suggests
34:35
Speaker 1: what's happening here. But again, having studied this for a
34:38
Speaker 1: long time, you know, there was a shooter recently who
34:41
Speaker 1: was targeting the homeless population in the East Coast. There
34:45
Speaker 1: was shoot. There's obviously a lot of anti Asian shooting
34:48
Speaker 1: of violence right now, and so the story often is
34:52
Speaker 1: there's I agree with you, there's something in this person's
34:54
Speaker 1: background that's going to that's going to light up, but
34:57
Speaker 1: we're not going to know what it is until we
35:00
Speaker 1: we catch this dis killer. And you know, Nancy, just
35:04
Speaker 1: to piggyback off of that, looking at the groupings, you know,
35:07
Speaker 1: it's very close to I forty, which is a huge
35:12
Speaker 1: freeway that comes through our city and intersect with I
35:15
Speaker 1: twenty five, and the entire grouping is just to the
35:19
Speaker 1: southeast of those intersections where they come together, and they're
35:25
Speaker 1: along major thoroughfares. So yes, the grouping is super important
35:30
Speaker 1: for us, but the accessibility in and out quickly into
35:34
Speaker 1: that geographical area. Yeah, they hop on the interstate. In
35:38
Speaker 1: ten minutes they're gone, which leads me to red light cams,
35:45
Speaker 1: any toll cams video And I also understand if they
35:50
Speaker 1: can get a video of the VW, why can't they
35:53
Speaker 1: enhance it and get a line on the driver or
35:58
Speaker 1: even the life and plate right I mean here in
35:59
Speaker 1: New mac because you don't have plates on the front.
36:02
Speaker 1: It's only on the back, so that kind of limits
36:04
Speaker 1: things a little bit. And as far as the person itself,
36:09
Speaker 1: a lot of these cameras that are attached to buildings
36:11
Speaker 1: are low resolution, then you know they're really not enhanced.
36:15
Speaker 1: But we do have Department of Transportation cameras that all
36:18
Speaker 1: tie into one real time crime center where this information
36:21
Speaker 1: can be piped in and that's all happening real time.
36:24
Speaker 1: Take a list to our friend Ariana Craft at k
36:27
Speaker 1: r QA. Police on Sunday said they have identified this
36:30
Speaker 1: vehicle of interest and officials, including Albuquerque's mayor, are pledging
36:35
Speaker 1: increased patrols around Musts. Among those living in fear of
36:39
Speaker 1: further attacks is Muhammad Imatas Hussein, the brother of victim
36:43
Speaker 1: Muhammad Afsa Hussein. It's painful if you did in chalk.
36:48
Speaker 1: We cannot go out of our house. My kids. Whenever
36:52
Speaker 1: it stepped out of my room, they start crying. We
36:55
Speaker 1: didn't have any fear. Now it is super painful with
36:58
Speaker 1: me empty as he's saying, this is osolves or other?
37:02
Speaker 1: What do you mean your chouldren start crying when you
37:05
Speaker 1: leave the house. Yeah, it's very difficult. When I go
37:08
Speaker 1: outside of my house, they run after me and say,
37:12
Speaker 1: if we are you going, I can stand in my
37:14
Speaker 1: balcony and I can go out. Just if I forget
37:18
Speaker 1: something in my car and said, let me go pick
37:20
Speaker 1: They said, no, don't go there. And all the time
37:23
Speaker 1: they look around windows that if something can happen from there.
37:27
Speaker 1: And I have a little little larders. She we didn't
37:30
Speaker 1: tell her. He's just hi. And he said, hey, why
37:34
Speaker 1: are you crying all the time? Where your uncle? But
37:37
Speaker 1: then why do you start crying? Are you cry baby?
37:41
Speaker 1: So I don't know what to tell her. So this
37:45
Speaker 1: is very fearful, not only our us in particular, the
37:49
Speaker 1: whole entire Muslim community you live around here. Many of
37:53
Speaker 1: them they didn't go to work for the last couple
37:54
Speaker 1: of weeks. They didn't go for gross sea. Now they're
37:57
Speaker 1: canceled their meeting, their gatherings. They're not going for a walk,
38:00
Speaker 1: You're just being home and no one is coming over
38:03
Speaker 1: a nighttime. The chip line five zero five eight four
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Speaker 1: three stop five zero five eight four three seven eight
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Speaker 1: six seven. There is a thirty thousand dollar reward now
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Speaker 1: for anyone that can help solve these murders. We wait
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Speaker 1: as just a Sunfoles Nancy Grace Crime story, signing off,
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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,