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Leadership Without Worship Is Just Management · The Worship and Leadership Podcast

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Hey, what's going on?
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Everyone yo, my name is elmer canes jr and it's your boy cousin, willie.
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: Hey, what's going on?
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: And welcome to the podcast for this season come on the worship and leadership podcast hey, we're excited because it's season four and we are doing it all over again.
• 0:28
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: Just a little different.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We're in a different space.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: We used to meet in my office.
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we did.
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  Speaker 1: Now we're in our official studio and I just want to give a shout out to Jacob Green for doing a lot of the construction work, hanging up a lot of the lights and a lot of the tech stuff, yeah.
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: And then my wife, laurie, just you know she's like hey, if you're going to have a studio, we got to make it look right.
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  Speaker 1: And so she went all out.
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Laurie, For real this place looks amazing Cousin, willie's Lounge.
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: That's the nickname, so if he's not in his office, he's probably napping in here.
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: In the probably napping in here, and so in the dark I might take a nap.
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  Speaker 1: No, but we're excited about season four.
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: It's there's gonna be a lot of fun things that we already have planned for this season.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna hear a lot more from our lead pastors, pastor mike and pastor stephanie, throughout this season.
• 1:16
  Speaker 1: We're filming on a different day, so a lot of our team is available to to be part of this podcast, and so that's that's exciting.
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: Again, this podcast began as a resource for our Dream Teamers.
• 1:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like really in-house leadership development and it's incredible to see how it's grown and really blossomed into really this sort of like worldwide phenomenon.
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: We are worldwide, but it's more now than just about Dream Teamers.
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: It really is about believers.
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: Right, we talk about worship and leadership.
• 1:45
  Speaker 2: You're talking about your lifestyle, living that submitted unto Christ, and then leadership which is influenced.
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: It's helping others move and take their next step, whatever it is, yep.
• 1:54
  Speaker 1: And I know it's kind of awkward because we have guests with us here and we're just talking to ourselves.
• 1:59
  Speaker 2: You keep hearing like people chiming in but we want to introduce our guests today.
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: So really, you always have the the honors of introducing.
• 2:17
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, we have two very esteemed guests with us one of them is a staple.
• 2:19
  Speaker 2: She's really part of the trio.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah right, that is the terrific tiffany tiffy toes a very own you know, very own GSP.
• 2:22
  Speaker 2: We took a little break, but we just remember him.
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  Speaker 2: Grocery store princess.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we're really happy to be reunited, yeah, and it feels so good.
• 2:30
  Speaker 2: And then we have the often imitated but never duplicated.
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  Speaker 2: That is a fact.
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  Speaker 2: They broke the mold when they made her.
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  Speaker 2: That is the awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Emily Himes, hello, so glad to have you.
• 2:44
  Speaker 2: I'm glad to be here In the studio with us today.
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  Speaker 3: This is fun.
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  Speaker 2: This is fun.
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  Speaker 1: And the cool thing is that throughout this season you'll see one of the four of us as part of a podcast hosting our guests, and so we're kind of like all co-hosts of this season's podcast.
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  Speaker 1: You heard, like Pastor Willie said, tiffany helped us kick off our worship foundations a season that was really season one.
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: And then emily like just came out of nowhere last year.
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  Speaker 1: It really actually she was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
• 3:12
  Speaker 1: It was a surprise to her yeah but she's the host of sunday rewind and you're gonna.
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: She doesn't know what we have planned for sunday rewind yet, but she's, she's gonna continue to do it, and so do you know what you have planned for Sunday?
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: Rewind.
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: Yet I do, actually I do, so it's going to be fun.
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: But we want to continue the conversation on why you know people are like, why you rebranded but it still has the same topics like worship and leadership.
• 3:39
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 3:39
  Speaker 1: I just call it the LifePoint Podcast, like no, because there's already another LifePoint podcast and that's our sermon audios, and so we didn't want to confuse people and we wanted to keep the conversation going, and so today we're going to just unpack why it's important and just go into some other things.
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, come on.
• 3:56
  Speaker 2: So listen, we're going to kick this off today talking through the topic of why worship and leadership still matter.
• 4:03
  Speaker 2: So Romans 12, 1,.
• 4:06
  Speaker 2: It's a very well-known verse.
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  Speaker 2: For those of you that don't know it, get your Bibles out right now or get your Bible app.
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  Speaker 2: And I want you to read through this verse the Apostle Paul.
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  Speaker 2: He says to his audience brethren everybody say brethren, not brothers, brethren.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody say brethren, brethren, not brothers Brethren.
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  Speaker 2: I beseech you Now we don't say that word, beseech no more.
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  Speaker 2: But he says I beseech you, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God.
• 4:42
  Speaker 2: And he says this is your spiritual worship.
• 4:45
  Speaker 2: One translation, I think the NLT, says this is your reasonable service, and I love that.
• 4:52
  Speaker 2: He is already defining for us what worship is and it is the surrender of the whole person, your whole self, mind, body and spirit.
• 5:03
  Speaker 2: So I just want to throw this out, tiff, like when you think through that.
• 5:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, how does that scripture for you help you see worship as a lifestyle?
• 5:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think just anything you do is worship Like it is not talent based.
• 5:16
  Speaker 4: It is not.
• 5:17
  Speaker 4: Can I sing a song?
• 5:18
  Speaker 2: Can.
• 5:18
  Speaker 4: I, you know, pick up an instrument and play it.
• 5:20
  Speaker 4: It is your life and that's what God's looking for, like no excuses.
• 5:25
  Speaker 4: You know you can not sing a tune, but you can worship like no other and you can't lead unless that's that sacrifice.
• 5:33
  Speaker 4: Unless you know it just, it comes from that worship, from that place of worship that applies to everybody.
• 5:39
  Speaker 4: Like everybody was created to's good, so it's just I mean it does it kind of grounds you like.
• 5:46
  Speaker 4: No, I worship God in every aspect of my life, that's good.
• 5:51
  Speaker 4: The big things, the small things, everything is part of worship, absolutely.
• 5:55
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that out, because we tend to think of it like a genre or a team.
• 5:57
  Speaker 2: Right, and it's a lifestyle Em, I'm going to throw it to you Again.
• 5:59
  Speaker 2: You're, and it's a lifestyle Em.
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: I'm going to throw it to you again.
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: You're thinking through worship as a lifestyle.
• 6:04
  Speaker 2: It's not event-based, it's life-based.
• 6:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah Well, coming from the only person sitting here that is not on the actual worship team here, because you do not want me on the worship team?
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: Not yet.
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: Oh no, sir, my knowledge is not yet.
• 6:17
  Speaker 4: I heard there's a.
• 6:19
  Speaker 3: Sunday choir.
• 6:20
  Speaker 3: We're going to be continued on that conversation.
• 6:23
  Speaker 3: It's fine, it is fine, but you know I am not on the worship team.
• 6:27
  Speaker 3: I cannot play an instrument, I promise you I cannot sing, and so for me, I do have to look at it in a different way of honestly asking God God, what do you want me to sacrifice to you as my worship?
• 6:43
  Speaker 3: And I think that's kind of.
• 6:44
  Speaker 3: For me it is once again everyday life.
• 6:48
  Speaker 3: It's what can you do in your everyday life?
• 6:50
  Speaker 3: And it's not through my own power to worship because I love.
• 6:54
  Speaker 3: At the beginning of that verse, some of the translations start out as therefore, so, which means you have to look at what comes before and.
• 7:03
  Speaker 3: Paul, literally right before it kind of breaks off into a praise break.
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: I mean just out of nowhere.
• 7:08
  Speaker 3: He's like yeah, and it's because of the goodness of God of choosing us.
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We're able to then present ourselves as a living sacrifice, and so, to me, that is worship, is how, god, how, what?
• 7:22
  Speaker 3: What do you want of me?
• 7:23
  Speaker 3: And let me give it back to you, that's good, that's great.
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: Yesterday, at our men's strong groups, I shared a word and on being planted and planted men produce fruit and really the fruit of the spirit and one of the things that I mentioned was and I think I went off like it wasn't in my notes but I got real passionate about I'm like you know what.
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: I'm real passionate about it.
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: I'm like you know what I'm going to do it.
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: I'm like you know, sometimes people walk into the auditoriums and into churches and they're just waiting for the music to get done.
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: And I know worship is much more than just that moment, but that moment does reflect a lot on how much we value worship unto the Lord.
• 8:08
  Speaker 3: And.
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: I made a point that we choose preference over permanence, and a lot of times we only pursue the things that we desire, and the Bible says that our hearts are deceitful.
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: And so a lot of times we'll want what we want, but it's not what God wants.
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: And so that's where that question, like Emily, was saying like God, what do you want me to surrender, what do you want me to sacrifice back?
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: And so, yeah, after I got it out last night, I think I'm going to mention it more.
• 8:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: Because pretty much I'm like I'm gonna mention it more.
• 8:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty much.
• 8:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like put your coffee down and I told them, I'm like man, sometimes not anymore, but I used to pray god, like let the coffee spill on them right now, you know, and uh, let's call them jesus.
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: You know something, but call them in the name of the because it like we don't treat moments as holy.
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, you know, and so I can imagine, like, if we can't treat moments in the presence of God, with the church, collectively, as holy and just like man, yeah, you might be tired, but just hey, lean in right, you know, just drink, take a sit, put it down and just like focus on the Lord in his presence, what he wants to do, because that moment's not about us, it's about him, right?
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: amen amen.
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: So we struggle doing that when the lights are out and somebody else is singing to you, right, in a sense, like how much harder is it when people are in their own private life?
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: And so I think that was the weight of yesterday's conversation, that, hey, like as men, like you, have to make decisions that are not based on preference but on permanence being planted in God and to see the evidence of the fruit of the spirit in your life.
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, worship is important, it's important.
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: I do want to tease this out just as a kind of another round of conversation on this verse Paul he's, he makes this statement present your bodies as a living sacrifice.
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: Right, that, that's, that's oxymoronic.
• 9:58
  Speaker 2: It's like saying you're a married bachelor, you know?
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: Or a square circle.
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, these are, these are diametrically opposed terms living sacrifice, and years ago, you know, I heard a pastor say the reason why he believes Paul said that is because he knows that this old, raggedy flesh, you place it on that altar to your point tip of sacrifice, it wants to crawl off and you have to place it back on there every single time, every day, every moment.
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: So, guys, just kind of talk to that because, to your point, like I mean that that speaks to intentionality and that also does speak to reverence, like I think it speaks to also like honoring and like recognizing the flesh.
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: Like man, I recognize that this flesh, like you say, is deceptive, my heart's deceptive, and so it wants to deceive you by trying to crawl off that altar and say, nah, you don't have to go all in.
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: So just you know.
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: I throw it around again.
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: Tiff, what do you think of that oxymoronic term, living sacrifice?
• 10:53
  Speaker 4: I think it's.
• 10:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, like you said, it's daily.
• 10:56
  Speaker 4: It's all the time.
• 10:57
  Speaker 4: I think you know, even if it applies to worship, when you walk into church Thursdays.
• 11:02
  Speaker 4: It could be your preference.
• 11:04
  Speaker 4: It could be music that you love.
• 11:05
  Speaker 4: Everything could be right, but you could be having a bad day and you don't feel like lifting your hands and praising the Lord.
• 11:13
  Speaker 4: It is a sacrifice of praise.
• 11:14
  Speaker 4: It's a choice in that moment to praise God, because he is always worthy of it, no matter what.
• 11:20
  Speaker 4: So it's making that choice.
• 11:22
  Speaker 4: It's making that choice when you don't want to be joyful, when you wake your kids up for school and have a smile on, but you're going to show them joy and you're going to be an example of Christ to your kids.
• 11:35
  Speaker 4: I think it's dying to your flesh.
• 11:38
  Speaker 4: It's dying to your attitudes or your preferences or your personality you know like there's just certain things you have to give up in order to praise the Lord in order to worship him.
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so good.
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: And what are your thoughts?
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: Thinking through living sacrifice.
• 11:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I mean honestly same.
• 11:56
  Speaker 3: And because my brain doesn't immediately go to well, I think sometimes, unfortunately, with us in the church, we immediately think worship as singing songs in church.
• 12:11
  Speaker 3: And so it is that we, I think we have to have it on the forefront whenever we need to start training our brain of thinking worship is every day instead of just what we do in the church.
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: You know worship is every second of every day.
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: You know God has given us this beautiful life and he's going.
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: What are you going to do with?
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: it.
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: You know I'm going to worship you.
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's so good, that's what we were created for.
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: Yes so how are you going to sacrifice?
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: What are you going to sacrifice?
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: When are you going to sacrifice?
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: It's all of the things so good.
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: I think of the story of abraham and how god, when they have their child, him and sarah, they finally have their, their promised child.
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: And god asks abraham, hey, sacrifice isaac, right, and so he goes, lays him on the on the altar and before he strikes his child, an angel appears and says stop, right, right.
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: And I I, when, whenever I hear the term living sacrifice, I think of that isaac like what's your isaac?
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: because it wasn't so much that that he had to, he had to kill him right, right right it was the act of obedience, Absolutely, and so a lot of times we're scared that God's telling us to sacrifice things.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: It's not that it's the death of it, it just means that are you willing to be obedient and present it to God, and so that's?
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: I think you know that's something like what's your Isaac, Honestly what are the?
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: Things that you've prayed for, that that's your promise.
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: Like, why would you do that?
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: Like you've waited so long, like it's your miracle and for God to ask for it in return.
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: Like you know, we've been praying.
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: A lot of you have heard here at our church.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: You know what's happened with one of our pastors and his son, pastor Nate, and Barrett, his baby Barrett.
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: He's a miracle.
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: It's incredible to see what God's done against all odds, and we're so grateful and thankful for, for the miracle that God is doing in his life and and we continue to pray for him and his family.
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: And but I am reminded that when a similar situation happened with our son, with Jordan, when he was a baby and and God challenged my wife in, when she's just crying, she's mad and she's like God, why, why are you letting this happen?
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: And then God turns around and tells her like, if I take him, will you still praise me?
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: And that was like a gut check for her.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: You know we we've prayed to have a child at that point, and then here's our son and all of a sudden have a child at that point.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: And then here's our son and all of a sudden, you know something happens to him and she starts fighting with the Lord and then she gets challenged Well, if I take him, will you still praise me?
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: Like, if God takes your miracle, if God takes your promise, will you still praise him and worship him, like you know, and that's what Abraham was challenged with, that was his, that his Isaac moment.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Like are you going to be obedient?
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be obedient.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: I think it also does speak to.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just re kind of reliving.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: I say, relive it Like I was there.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: I'm reimagining I'm not that old Back to the future.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: He is.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not that old Tiff on.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: There's laughing at enough I'm good.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: Abraham is commanded right To to sacrifice his son.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: Two things jump out at me the, his response and what I.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm talking about his demeanor.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: He's not cranky.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: You don't see him shaking his fist at God.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying he didn't have an internal struggle, it's just not recorded in scripture.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, you don't see him, like you know, moping around.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, you know, he, he.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: He goes with the servant and take that journey, I think it's three days to the mountain and he turns, tells the servant, hey, stay here.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: And he says we're going to worship the Lord, I and the lad, we're going to return.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: But during that time you just like Scripture doesn't record him being mopey and doing it through gritted teeth.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: To your point, like you think about the Isaacs that are in your life, these things that are precious and dear, that you've labored over in prayer, you've trusted God, you've sought God.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: And then the Lord says, hey, I'm going to test you in obedience, I think, to your point, it's.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's one thing, like to, you know, to tell a servant to go clean up, and that servant, you know, is doing it all hastily and with a bad attitude, and it's another thing when that servant does it with joy and with excellence.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: And that's.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: I can just see Abraham having that sort of mindset Like no, I'm going to do this.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: I'm struggling with Lord.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: I begged you for this child.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: You promised him, but I'm going to do it freely.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I guess that's where he freely did this and he looks at the obedience as worship.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: He says we're going to worship the Lord, and you can see he's almost equating sacrifice with worship.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: The act of me offering my child up to the Lord is worship, because that's what he tells his servant.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: You can see he's almost equating sacrifice with worship.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: The act of me offering my child up to the Lord is worse, because that's what he tells his servant we're going to go worship the Lord.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: Right, and you don't see him listing all the things that he's done for the Lord on his way up to the mountain either, because it's not transactional.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: And I think sometimes I mean I've been guilty of it you kind of face kind of face a hard time a long, a long time ago, of like okay, well, I'm doing all this stuff for you, like, and now this is happening to me.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: That was a hard thing I had to walk through with the Lord.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: I you know like I'm I'm kind of mad about this Like I feel like I've done A, B and C and like now, this is where I, where I'm at.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Like how could you allow that?
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: in my life, and like it took me a minute, but he sure showed me like this is not transactional.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: Like did you do this so that you would get this?
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Like why do you worship me?
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Like what is the point of your worship?
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: And I had to surrender a lot and I did get a miracle after that, but I would have been, okay, not.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: I would have still worshiped the Lord regardless, like I had to walk through that season and I had to walk through that tough time and just lean into him in the hard times.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: Like my gosh, there is no peace and comfort and love you know more than when you do finally lean into him during hard times, but worship is not transactional.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that because it does remind me of a time in our life.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: We lost our first child to miscarriage in 2009.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: And I remember I found an own father's that was going to be a dad for the first time.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, several months later you know, we lose our first child, and I remember having I appreciate you, your honesty on that Tiff just with that wrestling of Lord, we did everything right, Right, and I mean I'm, you know, as we say in the South, I made an honest woman out of her.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I put a ring on her finger and you're comparing your life to others, your resume.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Like Lord, I'm walking with you in obedience and these folks who are walking with you, walking outside of your will, in rebellion, are multiplying like jackrabbits.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: What?
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: is going on.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Help me understand and I never will forget.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: There was one day in the summer, just randomly walking around the house and the Lord just spoke to me.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: It was like a lightning bolt.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: In fact, I was in the shower and I just remember, I was just weeping and I just remember the Lord, just it was like a lightning bolt of love and he just said, willie, what if you asked me instead of why me?
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Ask me what's next?
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: And I just said that moment, I said, okay, god, I understand what's going on.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: This is so much more than just about what I've lost or what I feel like you've taken.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: This is so much more about okay, it's, man, there is this whole life ahead that the Lord wants to walk with me through.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: And I remember I mean again, I was a word, don't get me wrong but when I got to the shower and I shared it with my wife and I mean she just collapsed in my arms and I realized that word was for her.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: She was struggling, like, okay, man, there's something going on with me, like what does this mean?
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: And we just, I mean we just cried.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: We were in our closet and we just cried for like 30 minutes and then, okay, we're just going to say, okay, lord, no more, why me?
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: No more pity party.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: We're going to, like you said, we're going to worship.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: So we lean even harder in serving at our church.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: You know we lean into our community and just telling others about Jesus, you know, to your point.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I mean thank God.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I mean he blesses with our, with our daughter destiny.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: She's our rainbow baby, you know, in 2010, and not every story ends up that way, but the win listen.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: And not every story ends up that way, but the win listen.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Thank God for my daughter, absolutely, she's a miracle.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: But the thing I focus on is the perspective that I gained out of it that man, the Lord, out of everything and every season, he desires close relationship with, like you said, man, will you still praise me?
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: That's a relational question.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: It is Two things to Tiffany's point, and then what you said, said right now.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: It took abraham three days three days to the mountain yes, sir, so much goes through.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: You go to bed and be like maybe I could just turn around like right maybe I could switch him out with another kid, you know, like, like there's a lot that goes through and, but, but, and I think about jesus going to calvary, you know, and and the pain, everything like hurt, like he accepted what he was going through.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: That doesn't mean it was easy.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Like it was painful right.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Man, and.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: But what these two people had is a promise Like, and even though Abraham was seeing his promise at least that's what he thought Absolutely the promise was that he was going to be father of many nations.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Correct, correct?
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: It wasn't Isaac, no, isaac was a vessel to get there, absolutely.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: So he was so focused on Isaac, thinking that he was the answer to the prayer.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Sure, he was just part of it.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: And so then God was saying hey, would you give me?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah part of the miracle, absolutely so.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Then we can get to the rest of it and like with jesus, he was focused on the next yeah even though it was painful and difficult, like he knew, hey, god, forgive them, for they don't know what they're doing yeah, all right, it's done right, because he knew what's next.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm coming back in three days they could destroy this this temple and I'll raise it up.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Raise it up, yeah and so that promise and this holding onto that man yeah, the process doesn't always look like the promise.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: That's a word right there.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Hold on, that's a word.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: The process doesn't always look like the promise.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Come on somebody.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: I'm just chewing on everything that y'all have said right now.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: This is fabulous, but every time that y'all have said something, I love the fact that, out of your obedience to worship god, it benefits others.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah not necessarily yourself almost every single time, just every single one of the stories that y'all are telling.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Like you know, god, you know, gave the word to you.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, to help caro.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Carolyn through and even through the obedience, even through you still worshiping, even when you're oldest, whenever he was little, and all of that.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Look at who all he's blessing now through his worship, and I'm just looking at all of the things.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: I just think God is so wonderful and just so big that even just through our obedience, even if we are just—to be honest, I mean, trust me, I wish I had the faith of Abraham at this moment, because I definitely do I worship through obedience, through gritted teeth quite a bit.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to lie.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I'm like listen, god, you know I don't want to do this, but I'm going to do it because I love you, because you love me first, but I do, I'm not going to.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I'll be very.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: I totally do things through gritted teeth, but because I want to honor him, we're going to do it.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: And nine times out of 10, it's never even for me anyways, right?
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: So I think it's that's that.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: I just all right, I'm just, I'm just chewing on all of the stories and I'm like this is so wonderful, and even I mean.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing Look at the, the biggest story of obedience and worship jesus christ yeah it was never for him right it was for us.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so true and it's like man and that was his obedience to the father, and he even said, god, if you will please take this cup, pass for me.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: You know, and there's all kinds of different throughout theology about it, you know, but just in moments in time, whenever I really don't want to do it, I just think of Christ begging on God, please, but he goes anyways for us, so can I.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: I can go talk to that family member, you know like.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: I'm not the one heading on the cross.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: I can go talk to that family member.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: I can go serve.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: You know, whenever I'm super tired I can.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and if it were easy, it wouldn't be obedience and we wouldn't need him.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: And it wouldn't be a sacrifice.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't be a sacrifice and it wouldn't be a sacrifice, so we all have gritted teeth sometimes.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Come on.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'll be human.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: I do it through gritted teeth.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I think that's real vulnerable, but that's what God's looking at and like.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Tiffany said if it's easy, like he's, he's probably not gonna ask for it.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he wants the things that cost us something, you know, and so and I love that, do you wear a retainer?
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: huh, do you gotta sleep with guards?
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Do you have to sleep with guards?
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: cause.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: You're like little nighttime container, huh you gotta sleep with guards.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I'm back.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: I do not.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: No, I do not.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: I'm just missing a couple in the back.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not, I'm really not.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: I have all my teeth as of now.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: As of now.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: As of now, maybe in like 50 years, maybe, okay, legit, do y'all think it?
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: gets easier, just the act of obedience and worship and sacrifice.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Do you think it gets easier?
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think it gets any easier.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I think as we get older, we're asked to let go of things that we've valued our children.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not at that age yet.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: You're about to be an empty nester.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: You are.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: I mean she's still at home.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: She's still at home.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, you know, yeah, but like, at some point you have to let go of your children, you have to let go of your career, you have to let go of the things that you've learned to identify with.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And so, as you get older, there is a different weight to letting go and accepting.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: You know, hey, I'm getting older, my rhythms are changing, everything's changing, but you're going into a new season and I think the experience itself helps you see it differently.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Perspective changes, but it doesn't get easier.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Because I was talking to some guys, some some you know 20 year old guys, here at the church.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: They were asking like is it harder when you get older?
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I'm like it's, it stays hard.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Everything temptation is so hard.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Right, you know the, the willingness to serve and go above and beyond.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: It's always hard, you know, because, because now when you're single, you're so focused on yourself.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: When you you're married, you have kids, now it's everyone else you know before yourself and it gets harder.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: But perspective and experience changes things and I think the more that you do, you just die to yourself daily.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you, going back to what emily said, when you realize that this journey is not even about me and it's about other people my family, my wife, my kids, the people that I love, the people that I might not know, but they need Jesus, and so I think that helps endure the difficult you know so, at least that's my opinion.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Tiff, tiff.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I think that's greatiff.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: I don't think easier or harder, I think it's different.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: I think there's always different seasons.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: I think, once I initially, once I initially.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: You initialed it Once.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: I initially learned that hard lesson I was talking about.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: I'm done, I'm just kidding.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Once I initially I'm done, no go ahead.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: I'm just kidding Once I initially.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: It's there now Initially.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Once.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: I initially, initially, initially, initially, there it is Learned.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: I'm not breaking eye contact.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: I'm invested in the story at this point.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: Once I had that really hard season where I really, really learned to worship the Lord and lean into him.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: I don't think there's anything that can tear that away from me.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: I don't think there's any hard time that I can face where I would turn my back on the Lord and not need him 100% and not worship him 100%.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: So I think that's a hard lesson to learn.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: That makes things a little bit easier, but I think obedience is always hard.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: He's always doing the what's next.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: And the you know as soon as you think you're.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: You know, like you got the plan down, it's, it's going to change.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: You got to be flexible, you got to be obedient, and that's hard, you know.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: I I did a whole big thing with him a while back where I won't say no Cause I'm scared.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: Like I'm going to say yes, there's things you have to say no to in life, but like I'm not going to do it because I'm scared, because I've got him you know, but so it doesn't get easier and it and it doesn't, but it does change.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: Once you fully, you know, lean in.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Which, which has to do with, you know, leadership and, and just just, I guess this is a great place to transition, sure, because then we started talking about worship and yeah, yeah and what that looks like, but the one of the reasons we focus on both worship and leadership.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I've always taught like.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: When people ask me like, what are things you teach a worship team, I always teach leadership principles yeah like I don't teach like music.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Like there is a place for all that.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Like we've done, music theory classes for our volunteers, for our gym teams, and there'll be seasons that will resource and help develop them, their skills, their ability.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: But if there's anything we're investing constantly, it's leadership principles, because people that are serving the Lord, serving other people.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: You have to know how to work with people.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: You have to understand it's not about me.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: And so if you're just teaching people how to do something to improve their own skill and ability so that they could be better, we always cover it up.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Man, if you're better, we're all better.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: But I want to teach you how to be better for others first, before I teach you how to be better for yourself, because that's what's important.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: We're not trying to raise superstars on platforms, and people have given me pushback like what does that matter?
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Why are our dream teamers called leaders?
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: And that's something like why are they called leaders?
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: What's?
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: the value of that?
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah well, number one, because leaders have influence.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: And so the fact of the matter is that and Pastor Mike says it when he first made the statement it was brilliant because I disagreed with it.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true, but he said I am on a Sunday, I'm often the very last face that a guest sees.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Often the very last face that a guest sees.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: They've seen at minimum five to six people parking lot, first-time guest host, greeters, kid point ushers, growth track right, a small group leader, worship Worship Right, campus pastors, campus pastors that's what.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Eight folks right there and now the lead pastor comes up.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: So all of those, that's eight different interactions that they've been led through, that they've been influenced through.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: If they pull into the parking lot and the parking lot attendant has a scowl on his face and he looks like Ebenezer Scrooge, they finna hit a U-turn.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: If the first time guest host acts like it's an inconvenience, they're going to pull a U-turn.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: If the greeter isn't at the door or greets them in a way that makes them feel like they're inconvenienced, they're going to hit a U-turn.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: If the kid point folks are too swamped and like this is just crazy.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Sorry, you're going to have to wait.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: They're going to okay.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Well, they're going to hit a U-turn.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: If the usher hurriedly rushes them to a seat right near the front and makes them feel like they're a sore thumb, they're going to hit a U-turn.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: So that's why we say our dream teamers are leaders, because that's what you're doing.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: You're leading this person to be a fully devoted follower of Christ through a series of multiple series of interactions, and they're influencing them.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Like John Maxwell says, leadership is in.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: You're influencing them either toward or away from Christ through these simple gestures.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: And that's important to highlight, and that's why, when you join worship, when you join creative, for us it's always been like hey, here's some things in onboarding, some things we're going to hold you accountable to.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: When we hold people, when we have interviews, which is part of our process, it's like, hey, do you give us permission to pastor you, because we're going to have to navigate through certain things in your life and in your interactions with others on the team, because it takes more than one person to be, a part of a team, like worship and stuff, right, I don't want to speak to this too.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's also why we place a high value on leadership through processes.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: You know like with M&I, you know serving in groups, overseeing groups.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: You know there's a process.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: You can't just jump in and say I want to lead a group, hey, that's great.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Let's have a conversation and here's some gates that you have to go through in order to do that right.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Same thing again with creative or any other team.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, we go to another team, that's great, because we say everybody's a leader.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a pipeline.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I mean there's no way in the world that I can go to an organization right as an entry-level worker and say I want to be in management and they just okay, here you go, here's your new, you know paycheck and here's your new role.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: No, okay, we have a process for that, we have training for that, we have development for that.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: And I think I want to use the word you were saying you know that there's this honor, there's a weight that you're placing on leadership in that person's eyes, to let them know this is weighty, this is sobering, and it's again, it's a privilege for sure, and it's an honor to do it, but you've got to be sober minded about it as well.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: And I think that's where worship your personal life of obedience unto the Lord elevates your leadership.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: It elevates your influence in how you're able to serve, how you're able to lead others, and so that's why we're at the Worship and Leadership Podcast.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: It's exciting.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: It's not about us.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: It's about other people.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: It's loving people.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Well, it's loving the people stepping into leadership to make sure that they are prepared and that they're not going to be.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, you step into God's plan.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: You know you're also going to step into, potentially, an attack from the enemy.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: And if we're not equipping people for that and being there for them and pastoring them through things and letting them know you know how to do that, it's just throwing people out there blindly which is not loving.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: And it's loving the people that they're going to influence.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: You know, it's just loving people.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Well, it's not because we hear about whether people you know check all these boxes or, you know, have a good look.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: Good, it's loving.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good, that's a great point.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Loving them, like you said, pastoring hey, do you give a person a pastor?
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: You I mean a pastor does what's good for the sheep, whether the sheep realize it or not.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, right, me and them have had many conversations where folks have been gung-ho about wanting to lead a small group and and we look at each other like no not right now, and we have to what is their next step?
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: right, we love you, right and again.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: But we've had the, the pushback where that person's like no, I got a word from the Lord.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: I know I'm supposed to do it.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Hey, praise God, I don't doubt that.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: But we have a process.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: I remember Pastor Mike.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: He told me a conversation he had with someone who wanted to circumvent the growth track process altogether and start a ministry.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: And Pastor Mike said man, you know what I love about Jesus?
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: He said he kept it real simple.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: He said I'm the way, the truth and the light.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: He said if you want to see the Father, you got to come through me.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: And he put his hand on the guy's shoulder.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: He said, hey, anybody that wants to serve on a dream team has to go through growth track.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: And the guy got with the program and went through growth track.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: But that's just a humorous example, because he's like you know what I love about Jesus.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: He hit it with the left turn and, to your point, that's loving for us to say, hey, there's some development and some refinement.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm looking for, some refinement that needs to happen.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Hey, listen, that refinement it's for your good and it's going to be for the good of those that you end up leading.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: So so if, since you've given us permission to pastor you.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: What we're going to do is we're going to start that refinement process and and listen, like you said, if the Lord has it for you, you're going.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: You're going to walk into it and I'd rather you walk into that as effective.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: As other side of that.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I mean Abraham's faith was strengthened.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: That's the other part of the sacrifice, that the net result was that his faith was strengthened.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: The Bible says it was counted unto him as righteousness and that moment he believes the Lord for the promise.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: But his faith is shown in that moment.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Because he just said okay, this isn't about me giving up that sacrifice, it's about what I get to do for my God.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: This is again, eye of the Lord.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: We're going to eye of the Lamb, we're going to worship the Lord.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: That is where worship and sacrifice, worship and leadership come together.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: This is an obscure passage that I'm referencing, but the Bible says that his wife, sarah, revered him, respect him to the point where she called him Lord, master, and it was because of his faith.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: She, she, she respected the resoluteness and commitment that he had told the Lord where she was like hey, wherever you go, I'm going to go.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: It's, it's Naomi and Ruth, right?
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Ruth is like hey, listen, I grew up in, I'm a pagan, married your sons, I don't know, I don't know there's Yahweh, but I respect you, naomi.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: I respect you.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Your God will be my God.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Your people will be my people because of your faith.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: That's leadership.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: That because of Naomi's worship, that allowed her.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: I just caught that it is because of her worship, her worship as a lifestyle.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: I gave her the access to lead ruth.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: going back to pastor nate, like just because you know he's amazing, yeah, he, he's in the hospital with his son and obviously at the beginning they give him a bad report, like hey, there's, you know obviously pretty much saying like there's not a lot of hope, yeah, but but then he turns around and tells the doctor, the expert says okay, but you know, we, we, we, we will hold on to the whole nother hope.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: We have a hope in Jesus.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: He said I'm going to believe another report.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, I appreciate this report.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I respect it but I'm going to believe title, right.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: But then when they gather in the morning to do their huddle, nate goes up to them, says, hey, can I pray with you guys?
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: And they say, sure, and so, like he's leading, yeah, in that space.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: You don't even work there, right?
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: They don't even know he might.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: He's a pastor without someone telling him.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Title doesn't matter, amen.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Like titled yes, titles are great, you know, on the door and for name badges, but when you're walking in obedience and you're, you have faith and you're exercising your faith, yes, there's a whole, nother level of leadership.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that again.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Positions and titles.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: You don't earn them with that amen.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: People lean into you, people want what you have yeah because of faith like these people are talking about, they're in in hebrews the hall of faith right, right yes.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: And because of their faith.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's a great point Because of their faith, not because of their gifts.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, when you go and read the stories of some of these people, most of them they're not shining examples.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: No, I mean you dive deep into Abraham and Moses' life, jephthah, my Lord, but to your point, it's about their connection and commitment to the Lord.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: That's what's exemplary.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: To your point, pastor Nate, he's like any other man.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: He's imperfect and he has his flaws, but what's been inspiring for all of us is his faith, his commitment, his trust in the Lord.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: He's just saying hey, I understand, I respect what you guys are saying and what you're doing.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I absolutely do and I thank God for y'all.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I'm just choosing to believe a different report, a report that you better have access to, because I've just been spending time with the Lord, and that's I mean, for him to be able to do that, almost like a reflexive response, where most people might kind of sit and kind of like stew or be shell shocked.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's at the house before they're loading his son up tubes and everything coming out of every orifice, just about.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Hey, guys, before we leave, I want to pray and I'm inviting all of you to pray.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: That's leadership, but it's rooted in faith.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, his faith, his leadership is rooted in his faith.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: That's a life of worship.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can tell this is not a guy who's a Sunday only Christian Come on.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: This is a guy who daily spends time with the Lord, running back to Abraham.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: That's why Abraham can tell his servant I and the boy we're going to return, we're going to worship the Lord and we're going to return.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: He's like I don't know what you're doing, lord, but I just know you're not a liar.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: In worship, you get relationship, you get revelation, you get friendship.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I know the Lord.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Y'all know his ways, I know his face, I know his voice.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: There are many people who know about Jesus.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: They're fans of Jesus.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Worshipers are followers, and that allows you to lead.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: I'm going to trust somebody Y'all know.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: You just think of in your mind right now prayer warriors.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: You be like man.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: I know I can call mama, big mama, I can call granddad, I can call pastor so-and-so, uncle, so-and-so, because you respect their faith.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: It's just something about man.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: When you pray, there's just something different that happens because of your worship.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you think about people like Abraham.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: You know Israel Houghton wrote the song I am a friend of God.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: You know Abraham was a friend of god.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: He was a friend of god.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: He's a friend of god and I think when you look at people in your, in your own world, it's easy to call people that have this like next level faith like man.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: You must be a friend of god yeah like you, you're like tied with him to hone of the level.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: And again, sometimes we might not think that of ourselves, but other people are watching right, I said that at our altium yesterday like you know what people are watching, and so we always have the opportunity to lead.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, and that's why we have to lead ourselves, and and the process isn't easy, come on, it's difficult.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: This is why worship and leadership is important.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah I was like just the word anointing keeps yeah, coming over and over and over again in my head because, you know, talk about, talk about the faith and how, you know, nate was able just to step up and say I don't believe it.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: And I know that that, like that is the hand of God and like, literally, in that moment, he is anointed by God to be able to preach the good news even through a diagnosis of his son, like, and it's just like and like he is walking and carrying that anointing with him.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: And it's when you step up in leadership, understand that you're not just stepping up in leadership in an organization, here you are choosing to step up in the anointing of God in your life.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: That's good, and so leadership, especially leading people in a ministry anywhere understand that has weight.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: That does in a ministry anywhere.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Understand like that that has weight.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, that that does.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: And so you're literally stepping into a further and a deeper anointing of god, yeah, and that is just come on, man, and you think of you know the old testament when they would anoint you know people and what it means and it's just like it kind of i't know.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Leadership is heavy, it is weighty and it should be.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: And it doesn't just come and go.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: No, no we say that, and I know we've talked about our worship onboarding, but your greatest ministry is is never on the platform.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, yes, you're leading people in worship and and you know they're.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: They're having time with the Lord and they're worshiping him.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: But when you see those same people in Walmart and they're going to be watching you- you don't get the opportunity to take it off.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: You don't take it off and you get an amazing opportunity to show them.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: You know that you still love the Lord and worship the Lord.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: You know, in the chip aisle at Walmart.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: You know like it's not because you're on a platform and the Lord you know, in the chip aisle at Walmart, you know like it's not because you're on a platform and it is just such an opportunity to to show people that and to to share that in a real way.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: So I just, yeah, I'm actually glad you, I'm glad you brought that, that piece up there.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Double-edged sword Like yeah you, you don't get to take it off, but, like you said, it's a, it's a, it's a blessing and a privilege.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: My wife and I, we were at the gym earlier this week.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: We got them guns right there.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to conceal them.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: I have them, jacob, just pan around real quick.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Look at Emily and Tip's face.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Look, I am just calling your wife after this.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Please do you need to get him's face.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Look, I am just calling your wife after this.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Please do you need to get him together, Tell him get him together.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Oh man, the gym owner happens to attend LifePoint and so we were talking with them.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: And there was another client who happens to go to LifePoint as well, and they were both asking about Pastor Nate and Barrett and you could tell me there was real concern.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: And they were both asking about Pastor Nate and Barrett and you could tell me there was real concern, and so I gave them.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: You know, hey, this is where they're at.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Things are awesome, you know, as far as like up and to the right, he's a miracle.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: And the lady who was there signing up, she said when you walk through the door that's what she said.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: She said I knew you would have the answer.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: I knew that you were going to be able to help Because, I mean, just knowing who I am, does that make sense?
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Recognizing me as a leader, I'm not saying to pump me up, I'm just saying like, that's the guys, that's the blessing of leadership.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Leaders are a comfort to people.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: You know, pastor Mike did a brilliant teaching on Psalm 23.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: The Lord is my shepherd, and how we, as under shepherds, serve the great shepherd and how we, as under shepherds, serve the great shepherd.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: And that's one of your rod and staff that comfort me.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, they were really worried because they didn't, they didn't have they're like we don't know what's going on.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: I walk in, they recognize me as a leader Not the best.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: They're just saying, hey, you're connected, there's influence, and so I'm giving them an update.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: And we just celebrated and thank God right there and she's like I knew you would know.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think of Pastor Mike too.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: How it's funny People won't remember my sermons, but they remember when I go to the hospital.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: They'll remember the conversations in the lobby and those are the things I love seeing Emily in the lobby, just connecting with people.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: You don't have to be on a platform to be leading them.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I would prefer not to be but still, people remember that that's what's most important to them and because a lot of work goes into the things that are in front, like people remember that, yeah, that's what's most important to them.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, and because a lot of work goes into the things that are in front, like you know, a lot of the songs and the preaching and videos, and and we do put a lot of effort in in our organization as a church to to present the best and but that's not always the most impactful.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: It's it's what presents Jesus to them, right.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: We're trying to lead them to become fully devoted followers of Jesus, and so we're able to point them to Christ in those instances.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: But we become like Jesus to them when we're having the conversation.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget this image.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: So I think it was a Tuesday night rehearsal for Easter or something and we're every everything's locked up, we're leaving and Emily's out in the parking lot with some young lady and I'm like.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Do you need to say like she's like, no, like, like you know, if anything would happen, she'd probably protect me.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, protect me yeah yeah, yeah.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: But the extra effort, the time that you're spending with that person, like I don't know who it was and what was happening, but just going above and beyond for other people like those are the things people remember, those are the things that change your life.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: That's right, you know.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: And so that's leadership, man, I'm telling you pastor mike made that.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Make the statement.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: You know, when you're ministering to someone like that, in that moment it's everything for them.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Like it's everything to them.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Like for you it feels like an extra hour or an extra 30 minutes like of your time, but for them it's everything.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: And I always, I always replay that, that statement, in my head when I have a care appointment, because this person is coming in and what they are telling themselves is that this individual that I'm about to meet with, this leader that I'm about to meet with, is going to be able to help me.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Like they're going to be able to help me in a way that's going to be real and meaningful.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: And so, again, whether you are in the parking lot, you are in the back rocking the baby.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, it is everything for a single mom who is just frazzled.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: She's like I need a break.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to go to church and get some jeans, but I need a break.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: And you're rocking her baby and you are loving and doting on her baby.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: That is everything to her, everything Showing someone to their seat is everything.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Like you said, a hospital visit.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: That is everything in that moment to that person.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: And man, when you make it redemptive like that, you wake up every day and you're like okay, lord, what's next?
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that word has been ringing for me for the last 15 years.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: It's not now, it's no longer why.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Me it's what's next.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, god, who else do I get to help?
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Who else do I get to serve?
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Who else do I get to love on?
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Who else do I get to leave?
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: What's next?
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Come on, come on that's good.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: I just this really reminds me of.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: Have y'all ever read john bevere's book undercover?
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, my special authority yeah yeah, and it was just about authority and how we as staff are the extension of our lead pastor's hand, that's right regardless if we agree, disagree, like, dislike, whatever right, and that really kind of made me sit back and go okay, cool.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: And so our lead pastor is the extension of the anointing of what Christ has put on his life.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: He has to then account to Christ honestly, and that just goes with any area of leadership here.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Dream teams like understanding that throughout the steps in return, you are an extension of Christ's hand and so, no matter where you are and what you're doing with the processes that we have to do, Understand you may not like it right now, but you are an extension, going all the way through Christ, of people who have been placed into your path to be able to be his extension, and it's like honor that with us you know, and that goes back to Pastor Mike's message from this Sunday of just honor, just having that posture of honor for going above us and people who we oversee is just hey, we're going to honor people with that, and that, in return to me, is leadership.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: Hey, I honor you.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: How can?
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: I help you?
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: How can I serve you?
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: And doing it well, not with a grumpy face, yeah.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Come on Griping yeah.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: Why'd you look at me when you said grumpy face man I was?
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: really looking at Willie?
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: No, he wasn't looking at me, tim, he was looking at you.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: I'm just kidding.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: She's a Gi fire.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: Is this why y'all are separated?
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: Is this the separation?
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: I'm a Dodgers fan, obviously, so I'm referring to baseball.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: It's okay, it's okay.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: I still honor you, Tiffany.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: I still honor you too.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: I love it Through gritted teeth.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: She's building her faith.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: That's her worship, oh it.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: She's building her faith.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: That's her worship Building the faith.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, I thought this was a smile.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, man, hey, this season is going to be awesome, it is.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: The conversations that we have planned are going to be great, and I'm grateful that we get to do this together.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: And thank you guys for leading the way Again.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: It has nothing to do this together and, uh, thank you guys for for leading the way again.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with titles.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: If you guys saw our, our lower thirds, they're, they're pretty funny you guys didn't know, yeah, you do all right.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: So, jacob, let's, let's put emily on camera emily's on camera and emily hymes is our official fun coach.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: I love it I like it.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: I'll take it.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Mine says I am Elmer Cagnas Jr.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Can you put mine up and I staff pastor Elmer like the glue, because that's how I have to explain it to people.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Or else they call me Albert or Helmer.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Starbucks is worse, or else they call me Albert or Helmer.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Starbucks is the worst.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Willie's is, you know, willie Simpson, staff pastor Popeye's aficionado.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Come on somebody.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Hallelujah.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Pretty much their spokesperson in Clarksville.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: And then we got Tiffany, tiffany Duncan.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: And hers says glitter expert.
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: Come on, I do know way too many things about her, she does Tiffany Duncan and hers says glitter expert, come on.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: I do know way too many things she does wait what she knows a lot about glitter we had an internship.
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: It's now the leadership academy so we had to give a five minute speech and you chose your topic.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: It could have been on theology.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: It had to give like a five minute speech and you chose your topic.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: It could have been on theology.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: No, it had to be something Kind of like, kind of on worship, kind of random.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: But it was on what.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: Glitter.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: I had to really convince people Because you know there's just some anti-glitter people out there.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: That's me.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Did you see my eye switch?
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: It's pretty Grinchy I kind of compared you to the, to the grinch a little bit, and I just kind of shared all the advantages of glitter that you never even knew about like I could really go into you know this whole.
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna for the sake of time.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: But there's a lot of advantages of glitter we do not consider okay.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: so if the next time me and tiff are on the same one and I'm just covered in glitter?
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: Okay what would be real quick?
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: Your off-the-wall topic that you just know way too much about.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: That you might be a little embarrassed to say.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Way too much about.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: Embarrassed, I'm not embarrassed to say.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Oh man.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: She was like I glitter, it's glitter expert okay, she was like glitter, that I might know way too much about it.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, we were just talking about that yesterday with the creative staff downstairs that I grew up watching a lot of like scary movies, like.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: So we were talking about like everything from like Final Destination and like Freddy Krueger, like my sister would make me watch these things when I was a kid.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: But now, like like the new Final Destination and like Freddy Krueger, like my sister would make me watch these things when I was a kid.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: But now, like, like the new final destination movie came out.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: It was coming out, I don't know what's going on with it, and then I just go back to my.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: I used to watch them all the time and like a lot of those, like TV shows and stuff like that.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: But now if I want to sit down and watch those with my kids, I'm like I now, if I want to sit down and watch those with my kids, I'm like I don't think this is good kids.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: No wonder you found the Lord Jesus.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: You were just scared, needed somebody to run to.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: It's crazy too it's the things like my mom and dad.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't watch this.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Somehow I ended up watching all this stuff he ended up watching that's probably my rebellion.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say you like to let the TV just turn to the channel.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Your rebellious years led you to watching series.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Let me see you watching Vampire Diaries.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: I will see myself out now, Emily.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: How about you?
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Change of subject.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Willie what is one subject that you just know way too, much about that.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: Maybe no one knows.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, comics, comic books, comic book characters, all that.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: I grew up, you know 80s baby, so classic Spider-Man, classic Batman, classic X-Men, you know Superman, all of that.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: So I know way too much about it.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: And my YouTube feed is comprised of four kind of main categories, just like you know, just because the algorithm it's going to be.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: What are we five?
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: And my YouTube feed is comprised of four kind of main categories, just because of the algorithm it's going to be.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: What are we?
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: five.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: It's going to be music, theology, food, cars and comics.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Batman versus Superman.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Listen, I got to go with the Dark Knight.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: I got to go with the Dark Knight, gotta go with the dark knight.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: And yeah, because I mean I feel like I could be more like batman than superman.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's an alien superpower, he's got the powers of a god.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Basically, you know, batman has cool tech and I love tech.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, oh, all I gotta do is just build a, build something cool enough and I'll be batman yeah yeah, like that's easier for me to do.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: You know, superman, I have to become Kryptonian, so I haven't figured that out yet.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: But I get my suit, get my utility belt, wear my underwear on the outside, get a cape, that's all it takes.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: Get a cape, I'm good.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: Alright, emily, that is impressive.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: What about you?
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: What's that we're throwing it at you for?
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: you throwing at me.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know if there's one thing, but okay, I grew up on a farm, so I know a lot about farming yes so building things, all the things building things for me.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, horses, we had horses like so just whatever you need to know about that, I also, like, did ballet and stuff like that, which is total, just right so I I know a lot about, about dancing and ballet, and mimicking people.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: Mimicking people yes, I can yes yes, me and jayana were talking about how we are great mimics, because in dance you that's how you learned was by mimicking what the teacher did.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's mimics.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Can you mimic me?
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: In walking or just talking, yeah, just mannerisms, yeah just mannerisms.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: What up, it's your boy, Willie C.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: It's okay, I okay, she got it right.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: I'm never gonna be invited back again got it.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: that was perfect.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: I love it, I love it, and this is how we're ending today's episode, and so, just with an impersonation of our boy Willie C, go Popeyes.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: And so, hey guys, we'll catch you guys next week.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: We love you guys.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Peace out, peace.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: That was so good, that was fun.