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Inside the Florida Church Town Where Predators Roam Free - Horrifying Documentary · The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories

• 0:10
  Speaker 1: What is it about children that you're attracted to?
• 0:14
  Speaker 2: I have a problem in my mind, can keep it straight.
• 0:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it is about me.
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: It's just hard to explain.
• 0:26
  Speaker 3: That for children.
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  Speaker 4: They're innocent.
• 0:31
  Speaker 5: Sweet temptations are all the time ab out there.
• 0:52
  Speaker 6: People that pray on children are not normal. They've got
• 0:55
  Speaker 6: a wire across somewhere.
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: Is this your life?
• 1:12
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: You feel like you deserve this?
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  Speaker 7: Oh?
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  Speaker 5: Most ever, I did it. I don't deserve this.
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: We want the world to know.
• 1:38
  Speaker 8: Wait a second, you know people can change.
• 1:40
  Speaker 4: They have to change.
• 1:42
  Speaker 9: We take away their civil rights. That is something that
• 1:44
  Speaker 9: is very serious. That is not something that should be
• 1:47
  Speaker 9: taken lightly.
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  Speaker 3: How do I explain to my kid that people.
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: Hate your father?
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  Speaker 10: There are decent people who do horrible things all the time.
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  Speaker 4: You stole my daughter's childhood.
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  Speaker 11: Go to hell.
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  Speaker 4: Yes's one of them.
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  Speaker 1: I mean the Florida County of Bradford with the head
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: of the Sex Offender Unit, Captain Dawn McKinley in Florida.
• 2:29
  Speaker 1: After sex offenders have served their time in prison, police
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  Speaker 1: chiefs have the power to impose a set of restrictions
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: on them and notify the public of where they live.
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  Speaker 12: Okay, up, here on the right, there's going to be
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  Speaker 12: the last vallet campground.
• 2:45
  Speaker 1: Bradford County has taken an extreme measure to alert people
• 2:50
  Speaker 1: and you can see right out right here on the
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: two other predators. Science. Wow, that's crazy. So it's the
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  Speaker 1: full name is a convicted sexual predator and lives at
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: this location. So what I'm five to three five foot Yeah,
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: they don't beat around the berth. It's very matter of fact.
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: It's mad, isn't it. The signs are outside sexual predators houses,
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  Speaker 1: the most serious offenders, most sull committed crimes against children
• 3:34
  Speaker 1: under thirteen. Nothing like this back at home. No nothing.
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  Speaker 2: So how do you notify your republic?
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: We don't at all. So there's a register, but we're
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: not entitled to have all of that information that you
• 3:50
  Speaker 1: guys do. That is crazy. Do you think we've missed
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: a trick?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I do.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine living in a place where that The
• 4:07
  Speaker 1: laws here don't just tell people if they have a
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: sex offender living next door, they also stop them from
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: living in entire neighborhoods. I'm Stacy Gordon Smith. Lovely Captain
• 4:18
  Speaker 1: Dawn has introduced me to the County Sheriff Gordon Smith.
• 4:22
  Speaker 1: Most living restrictions on offenders and predators are aimed at
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  Speaker 1: protecting children. In Bradford, more than nine out of ten
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: offenders and predators have committed crimes against miners. When an
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: offender is released from prison, what will their life be like?
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: What are the restrictions there here?
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  Speaker 6: In the city of Stark We actually got an ordinance
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  Speaker 6: past that says you can't live within twenty five hundred
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  Speaker 6: feet of any place where children regular congregate, church schools,
• 4:51
  Speaker 6: bus stops, those type things.
• 4:53
  Speaker 1: People will be watching this and some people will think
• 4:57
  Speaker 1: you're not allowing them to even try and rehabilitate themselves.
• 5:00
  Speaker 1: Will we integrate into society?
• 5:01
  Speaker 4: Well, you can. Don't love their kids, you reckon, they
• 5:04
  Speaker 4: don't love their kids enough.
• 5:05
  Speaker 6: If you don't do something about it, you're telling the
• 5:07
  Speaker 6: world we don't care about our kids.
• 5:08
  Speaker 1: That's what you're doing. Straightforward, is that we explain this
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  Speaker 1: to you.
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  Speaker 6: If chocolate ice cream is your favorite ice cream, I
• 5:14
  Speaker 6: can feed you strawberry for the next ten years, but
• 5:16
  Speaker 6: you know you're still gonna grave that chocolate ice cream.
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: Not all sex offenders can be kept in prison forever,
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  Speaker 1: and even in Florida, where the strict laws are popular
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: with the public. There is a debate raging about how
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: to deal with them once they've served their time. Have
• 5:34
  Speaker 1: they got it right here? Further south of the state,
• 5:38
  Speaker 1: in Miami, many people think not. The laws have had
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  Speaker 1: unintended consequences here. So you'll start seeing now, led to
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  Speaker 1: these tents, all of those people there, certainly the vast
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: majority are sex offenders, were just the sex offenders or
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: sexual predators. Those of the residency restrictions. Hundreds of registered
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: sex offenders can't find a house. They are now living
• 6:06
  Speaker 1: in this homeless camp. How long you've been homeless since
• 6:23
  Speaker 1: you left prison? Brett was jailed for trying to meet
• 6:27
  Speaker 1: a fifteen year old boy for sex. The teenager turns
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  Speaker 1: out to be an undercover police officer.
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  Speaker 9: That's my tenth there.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, so this is where you sleep? Where I stay? Yeh,
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  Speaker 1: I've got a little air mattress. He's been living here
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  Speaker 1: for six months since he left prison and couldn't find
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  Speaker 1: a home.
• 6:44
  Speaker 13: Well, so propine can eat up with an egg or.
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  Speaker 5: Something like that.
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: Some of the offenders here actually do have homes in
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: the city, but because of the laws, they aren't allowed
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  Speaker 1: to stay there between ten pm and six am.
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  Speaker 4: In their cars.
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: All of these empty spots here are full of cars
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  Speaker 1: all the way around the corner.
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  Speaker 14: And then it's like a mass exodus in.
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  Speaker 1: The morning and we'll go back to houses.
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  Speaker 13: They can go back to their home with their family
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  Speaker 13: and stay with their kids.
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: That doesn't make me sense to.
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  Speaker 8: Me, it doesn't, this is what we're saying.
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  Speaker 1: It's just crazy, because if you're a threat, you're a
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: threat twenty four hours of the day. I know some
• 7:29
  Speaker 1: people will be watching this, listening to Brett, and they'll
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: feel no sympathy whatsoever. And of course I'm repulsed by
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: what these guys have done. But I suppose for me,
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to be pragmatic. I'm trying to be practical
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: about things, and I'm just wondering, is this really effective.
• 7:51
  Speaker 5: I'm on lifetime probation. I don't get off probation until
• 7:55
  Speaker 5: twenty four hours after I'm dead.
• 7:58
  Speaker 1: Your crime must have been quite severe.
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  Speaker 5: Possession and sending Carol pornography across statement.
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  Speaker 1: So that is very serious.
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  Speaker 5: In my eyes.
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: No, in my eyes, yes, is this your life now?
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: You feel like you deserve this?
• 8:17
  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 5: I did it? I don't deserve this.
• 8:39
  Speaker 1: Lawmakers in Florida seem to assume once a sex offender,
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: always a sex offender. There's no second chance. Perpetrators are
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: put on a register for life, and the living restrictions
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: imposed on them stay in place forever. Sex offenders have
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: retreated to live in remote areas of Florida. I'm traveling
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: to one of these areas, a settlement called Miracle Village.
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: You see for yourself just how isolated it is, you know.
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: I knew it was going to be off beaten tracks.
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: I underestimated just how on their own they are. More
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  Speaker 1: than one hundred people, and the sex offenders register live
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: here half the population. Most are here for crimes against children,
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  Speaker 1: including the act of preteens and watching schild pornography. They
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: are all subject to the same living restrictions. You know,
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not thrilled at the prospect of spending so much
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: time with the gang sex offenders, who would be in
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: your gut You feel a bit grubby. I think I've
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: spent so much time with the victims and the survivors,
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: so your loyalty lies with them. But then people they
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: have they have to live somewhere, So this is a
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: this is Miracle Village. I'm here to me one current resident,
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  Speaker 1: twenty six year old Chris Dawson.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, are you good? Come?
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: Thank you ever so much. Chris has lived here in
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: Miracle Village for four years. What were you charged with?
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  Speaker 2: My charge was learning two counts lording assilias battery?
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: And is the act of sex with the minor battery
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: is pretty much penetration?
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  Speaker 1: So you were having sex with an underage child?
• 11:00
  Speaker 15: Yes?
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: My girlfriend at the time she was how old? Fourteen? Yeah?
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: I didn't find out she was fourteen until I was arrested.
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  Speaker 1: So how old were you at this time?
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  Speaker 2: I was eighteen her in nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: How long had you been dating?
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  Speaker 2: Three months?
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  Speaker 1: So you had no idea, no idea? You were dating
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  Speaker 1: for three months?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: Do you understand how some people might find that hard
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: to believe?
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, she lighted me about her age, fake idea
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  Speaker 2: on their friends knew her that she was eighteen. So
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: I'm like a not believer. If everybody else thinks he's eighteen, okay,
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna believe he's eighteen as well. They're like, what
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: four hundred years old?
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  Speaker 1: Chris's mum and two brothers have made a three hour
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  Speaker 1: journey to visit him in Miracle Village the first time
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  Speaker 1: in seven months. It so initially you were hesitant. It's like, oh,
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: you don't want Tom coming here at all?
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  Speaker 10: Not at all?
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: What were your main concerns?
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  Speaker 14: If you think about it, it's almost kind of you
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  Speaker 14: could say creepy that there's a place to associated with
• 12:12
  Speaker 14: a particular type of a.
• 12:15
  Speaker 16: Person, and I don't look at him that way. So
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  Speaker 16: I wasn't, you know, I didn't think he belonged here.
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  Speaker 16: It's creepy, but it's a good thing because it's a
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  Speaker 16: community and he's not being judged here.
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: This is just so gray. I can't tell you. You
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: sort of go in there thinking one thing and then
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: the story unravels. If Chris is being totally sincere and
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: completely honest, then you can't help but feel for him.
• 13:04
  Speaker 4: Where the noise, he's handsome man.
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  Speaker 8: Where the two.
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: Imagine slow children at play, it's a kid there, a
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: little girl running up the street. That's actually a complete madness.
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  Speaker 1: What I don't fully understand is how legally these sex
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  Speaker 1: offenders aren't allowed to live anywhere near a school or
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  Speaker 1: a library or a place where kids can congregate, that
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  Speaker 1: they can live here on the same land where there
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: are kids. It's just that that just feels particularly absurd.
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  Speaker 1: Chris wasn't what I was expecting, and it seems strange
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: that he's subject to the same rules as more dangerous
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  Speaker 1: sex offenders who live around him.
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  Speaker 4: Wilma Cak.
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  Speaker 1: In the past twelve years, the sex offender laws have
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: become more strict in Florida. Lots of people on the
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  Speaker 1: register have left towns and cities. So many have come
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  Speaker 1: to Miracle Village that there isn't enough room for them all,
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  Speaker 1: and many have settled in the nearest town, per Hoochy,
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  Speaker 1: three miles down the road. I'm on my way to
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  Speaker 1: a house in Pahochy, where three of Chris's friends live.
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  Speaker 1: They used to live in the village and are all
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  Speaker 1: sex offenders. Is this the house?
• 15:00
  Speaker 10: Hello?
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, hello, Hi, say say.
• 15:02
  Speaker 10: Stacey, It's good to meet you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Brandon.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, thank you, thank you ever so much. Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know if I had the right place. It
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: looks it looks like a business. Oh you fish, I
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: do you any good? Not at all.
• 15:17
  Speaker 10: My roommate lewis He's got a bit more furniture and
• 15:19
  Speaker 10: a lot less space. He'll introduce you to him here
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  Speaker 10: in a second.
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  Speaker 4: This is Lewis.
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  Speaker 1: So you came at the same time, more or less.
• 15:27
  Speaker 10: Within about a month of each other.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: And did you go to prison?
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: And I went to prison four attempted to sextual battery
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  Speaker 4: on the miner.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: And how old was the minor? Nine?
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an situation, but it happened.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: I regret and you know, move on right, I deserve
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: a second chance.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: I'm thirty three years old. This happened when I was eighteen.
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: Do you know myself?
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Well, significantly older than the victim.
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, are you hours? You're the guy in charge? Pat?
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: I'm Stacy. How do you do?
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Good to see. Pat was one of the founders of
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Miracle Village itself. He's been helping offenders settle in per
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Hookey for the past eight years. So how did you
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: to meet?
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: Brandon? Needed place he love? So we've built a room.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon. Are you a registered sex offender?
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: I am.
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  Speaker 10: I'm a registered sex offender. It was child pornography that
• 16:39
  Speaker 10: put me in prison. Now I'm serving a term of
• 16:42
  Speaker 10: probation here in Florida for the rest of my life.
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  Speaker 10: After that's over, I'll be a registered sex offender, like his.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Friend Chris Brandon, was safe from prison by Pat, who
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: told the court he could come to Miracle Village. Do
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: you see Pats? What a father figure?
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  Speaker 10: Pat has been first a friend, then a mentor, then
• 17:03
  Speaker 10: a father in waiting. It's kind of hard to pigeonholes.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Tell me why you're so involved in Miracle Village if.
• 17:11
  Speaker 8: You're a sex I'm the sex former sex spendor.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: You went to prison for hallow.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: I was in prison for twelve years.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Twelve years is a long time to go to prison.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: They must have been pretty serious crimes. Well not, well,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: they're all serious.
• 17:26
  Speaker 9: Okay, what did you do?
• 17:27
  Speaker 8: I was one of the top racket ball coaches in
• 17:30
  Speaker 8: the world and I got involved with my students.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: How old?
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  Speaker 4: Sixteen?
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: You know that ninety percent of the general public are
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: going to despise you as soon as they find out
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  Speaker 1: what you've done. How do you live day to day
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  Speaker 1: like that?
• 17:46
  Speaker 8: Well, I'm not going to lie to you. I'm going
• 17:48
  Speaker 8: to tell you what they did everything. I have nothing
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  Speaker 8: to hide.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: This is what happened.
• 17:53
  Speaker 8: So what it's over with? That's a path, you know,
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  Speaker 8: because you can look at my past day you know,
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  Speaker 8: is it because I was an out stay in high
• 18:00
  Speaker 8: school athlete. You know, I was one of the top
• 18:03
  Speaker 8: racketball coaches in the world. Or are you gonna know
• 18:05
  Speaker 8: me by because I was a sex vender. But all
• 18:08
  Speaker 8: that other stuff doesn't count.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: But does any of that matter if you've devastated somebody
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: else's life for the rest of their life.
• 18:17
  Speaker 8: I have no problem taking that rEFInd I know what
• 18:19
  Speaker 8: I did. But we feel we can help rehabilitate sex vendors.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Why is that the case?
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: Because I tell them to shut it down? Hey, boys,
• 18:28
  Speaker 8: can you turn that down? It's interference? Yeah, turn it down,
• 18:33
  Speaker 8: thank you. That's my I got two grandsons here from Oregon.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: They're in there. Yeah, your grandchildren. How old are they?
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: Fifteen and thirteen?
• 18:44
  Speaker 14: Oh?
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, how many grandchildren?
• 18:46
  Speaker 8: So if you got well, really, I have none of
• 18:49
  Speaker 8: my own. But they're like adopted grandchildren because of that,
• 18:54
  Speaker 8: you know, I met their parents and worked with their
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: parents and stuff like that.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I'm confused. The laws here are so strict that these
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: three can't live near a place where children congregate. But
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: legally Pat has children staying here right now, stood here,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: like in your living room bedroom slash office. It's like
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: I've kind of walked into this world with this very
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: unconventional family. Can that be healthy for children? Oh?
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:26
  Speaker 8: We keep each other accountable, very accountable. They can't talk
• 19:29
  Speaker 8: to Brandon. Brandon can't talk to them at this time. Okay,
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: they don't tactle because you're on probation. Brandon's out here.
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: The kids don't come out here.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand it. But it's just very odd, isn't it.
• 19:41
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna try and be very honest with you
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: guys all of the time. That is very very strange.
• 19:49
  Speaker 8: Hey, Brandon, sir, sharpness, Please, if you didn't.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Know they're past there, they seem so harmless. Maybe I'm
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: being two judgmental ones, But if I had kids, that's
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: just like, wow, I'd have them staying around somebody's ass
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: where there are three sex offenders one sexual predator. Maybe
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: that says more about me than anyone else. But I
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: just wouldn't take the risk. The increase in sex offender
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: legislation in America during the past twenty five years has
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: been shaped by high profile crimes. Dozens of laws are
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: named after children who have been killed. In Florida, one
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: family has been instrumental in how the state deals with
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: sex offenders. This is the office of Senator Lauren Book,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: who runs a charity to prevent child sexually nicey lovely worry. Oh,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: she shares it with her dad, Ron Book, a prominent
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: lobbyist and lawyer. I have successfully campaigned for more than
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: twenty pieces of sex offend the legislation. This has been
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: driven by what happened to Lauren as a child. You're
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: a victim, you're a survivor yourself.
• 21:38
  Speaker 9: It was from the time that I was about ten
• 21:41
  Speaker 9: years old until I was sixteen, every single day by
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: my families live in NEARNY.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: For six years, every day.
• 21:49
  Speaker 9: There wasn't a day they went by. Not only was
• 21:51
  Speaker 9: it sexual assault, but physical and emotional. You know, urinated on,
• 21:57
  Speaker 9: defecated on, very very physically. At the time, you think
• 22:02
  Speaker 9: that you're in a loving relationship because she loves me,
• 22:04
  Speaker 9: and this is what people do that love each other.
• 22:06
  Speaker 9: And so it's difficult for me at you know, thirty
• 22:11
  Speaker 9: two to understand how could I have let that happen?
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: But when you're ten, okay, it's on me.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: You just have no understand it.
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: Today you see somebody that's pre put together, but you know,
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: I still suffer night terrors where I wake up beating my.
• 22:26
  Speaker 10: Husband in the middle of the night.
• 22:28
  Speaker 9: I still have to be sedated to go to the
• 22:30
  Speaker 9: dentist because I can't be laying down with people putting
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: things in my mouth, And so I get very angry
• 22:37
  Speaker 9: when I hear you know we've served our time, you
• 22:40
  Speaker 9: know we're still being punished.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: It's just something you hear it all. But I suppose
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: it poses the question, are there some crimes that can't
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: be forgiven we.
• 22:49
  Speaker 9: Take away their civil rights? That is something that is
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: very serious, That is not something that it should be
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: taken lightly. But if you commit a crime against a child,
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: if that is a type of a thing that turns
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: you on, no, you shouldn't have a second chance. Why
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: because I, Lauren Book is not willing to allow you
• 23:10
  Speaker 9: to have a second chance. Because if you have, if
• 23:13
  Speaker 9: you make a mistake, if you have a backslide, who
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: are you hurting? Not yourself?
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Lauren and Ron were central in the passing of the
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: two thousand, five hundred feet residency restriction in Miami. We
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: didn't know where we were from, Captain Book. So you
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: two don't always agree, You don't always see why what
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: do you disagree on.
• 23:37
  Speaker 15: We have a different set of thoughts on residency restrictions.
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: I don't want people that are desperate that will lash
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: out and harm a child. I don't want the excuse
• 23:51
  Speaker 9: to be, well, I couldn't shower and I didn't have
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: a place to live, and this is what happened excuses.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I'm reposed what they've done. It disgusts me in the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: same way that it disgusts you. But I don't think
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: leaving them out on the streets is the solution with that.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: But your law that you campaign for, isn't that a
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: direct result.
• 24:15
  Speaker 15: Of all due respect? No, their actions of children put
• 24:24
  Speaker 15: them in that class of people that are subject to
• 24:29
  Speaker 15: certain restrictions.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: I want to.
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: Live in this box where my mother is, where my
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: daddy is, But there's a child here, and a child here, oh,
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: and a bus stop here in a school year and
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: a daycare. I'm sorry you don't get to do that.
• 24:48
  Speaker 15: Your bad behavior put an.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: X on you.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Broadly speaking, Are you saying that they cannot be rehabilitating.
• 24:55
  Speaker 15: I believe they can. I don't lie awake at night
• 24:58
  Speaker 15: thinking about how I can stick it to these bastards,
• 25:02
  Speaker 15: these dirtbags, these gum buckets or man when we think
• 25:06
  Speaker 15: of them, we're going after them.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: In America, reoffending rates for sex crimes are lower than
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: most other crimes, between three and fifteen percent. But if
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: people don't believe sex offenders can be rehabilitated, what happens.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I'm back with Brandon, who has made five hundred failed
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: job applications in the last three years since his conviction
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: for child pornography. Sex offenders in Florisa must declare their
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: crimes to employers.
• 25:39
  Speaker 10: Do you want me to just start running and dumping March?
• 25:43
  Speaker 13: Yeah, if you want.
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: So.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: You've gone from being in the military to grabbing odd
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: jobs as and when you can find them.
• 25:53
  Speaker 10: In the past three years, I would say have been
• 25:56
  Speaker 10: through probably one hundred job interviews. Some of them would
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: tell me that they hire felons, but once they found
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: out that I was a sex offender felon, they would
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: tell me that the policy changed.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: That must be embarrassing when people find out what you've
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: been inside for.
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: It was in the beginning. I would let them do
• 26:20
  Speaker 10: their background check and then we'll talk about it. And
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: usually I wouldn't even get that far. They would do
• 26:26
  Speaker 10: the background check and then lose my application.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: There's no use in you sitting at home and being
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: totally unproductive. But I also recognize that there are jobs
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: that you shouldn't be allowed to do. So it's finding
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: where you fit in society, isn't it Exactly?
• 26:46
  Speaker 10: If a person has to feel like they are a
• 26:48
  Speaker 10: burden to their family in order to get by, it
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: doesn't just cause depression. It causes a person to give up.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: If Brandon was able to get a full time job
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: and get back on his feet, would that make his
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: life more stable and less likely to reoffend. He's told
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: me he didn't mean to download the child pornography, but
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: having met so many victims in the past, I know
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: how much it can completely destroy lives. I need to
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: understand what he did and whether he may do it again,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: because if there's a possibility he would reoffend, is it
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: safe to give him a second chance? President? Did you
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: did you know that you were downloading the child pornography?
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: At first?
• 27:37
  Speaker 10: I did not say. It just appeared it was included
• 27:42
  Speaker 10: in the lists that I downloaded. I did download them.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I've seen these kids, and I know how devastating your
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: crimes are towards them.
• 27:56
  Speaker 10: Those poor kids were by someone so that other people
• 28:00
  Speaker 10: could could see them.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: So that people like you could download the.
• 28:04
  Speaker 10: Pawn, and I ended up creating more demand for it. Yeah,
• 28:09
  Speaker 10: I went through that as a young teenager and it
• 28:12
  Speaker 10: pushed me nearly. So were you an older friend of mine?
• 28:20
  Speaker 10: Actually the friend who introduced me to pornography?
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: It's worth saying, isn't it that lots of kids who
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: are you don't go on to watch child pornography and others?
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: So were you ever searching for child pornography?
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: Ever?
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: Not directly, but I knew that I was playing with fire.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I feel like you're going around the house is slightly
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I think, I mean it were Are you attracted to
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: the images or not?
• 29:03
  Speaker 10: By the time I was arrested, it wasn't.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: What would have changed in your mind for that to happen.
• 29:09
  Speaker 10: Pornography is pronogacy. I call it a progressive illness. And
• 29:15
  Speaker 10: one person continually watches porn, Eventually the porn that they're
• 29:21
  Speaker 10: looking at becomes boring and they start looking for a
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: new thrill. It would have become a serious problem and
• 29:29
  Speaker 10: I would have actually likely become interested in children.
• 29:44
  Speaker 13: We thank you for the food here, but we thank
• 29:46
  Speaker 13: you for the people who prepared it, and as we
• 29:48
  Speaker 13: bless their he is, we thank you for this ministry
• 29:51
  Speaker 13: for other God. I guess all this in your name
• 29:53
  Speaker 13: more Jesus, my brother's sister Sarah.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: As my time in per Hooch he has gone on.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised at how open the offenders are. I've come
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: to spend some more time with Pat. Every month he
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: organizes a birthday party. Is church in Pahokey where sex
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: offenders wait on the guests. You're right, Pat, how are you?
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: You're great?
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: Oh?
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, tell me what your job involved?
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: I wait on?
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: And how many of these people are sex offenders? There
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: are that many? Interesting?
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: How they talk from other people?
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: It is in this situation. Yes, in this circumstance, it
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: is yes, And you will worship me. This is your
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: church and they very clearly welcome you. Oh yeah, they
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: don't judge you in any way. Well, I leave you
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: to it. I know you're at work, Thank you, Pat.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I want a month exactly exactly. I'm spending the evening
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: with Chris and Brandon. Oh my gosh. But because they're
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: still both on probation, we're staying in. Offenders have more
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: restrictions on them during probation. Oh no, for having sex
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: with his fourteen year old girlfriend when he was eighteen.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Chris will be monitored twenty four hours a day via
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: an electronic tag until he's thirty. He also has a
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: ten pm curfew. I'm imagining that it's quite limited in
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: terms of what you can both do together.
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: Oh yeah, we're We're not able to enjoy the night
• 32:04
  Speaker 10: wife you're going.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Brandon has two years left in probation for his child
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: pornography charges, and he's under the same restrictions as Chris. So, Chris,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: before all of this happened, tell me what your life was.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Like and then was in a band playing drums and
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I know, I'm going on tour outside great friends and
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I loved it. I mean that was that was the
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: cooler thing to do.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, you've been living like this since you were
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: nineteen years old, So your entire twenties you've known no different,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: no difference whatsoever.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how's I get some more experience?
• 32:38
  Speaker 14: What do you want?
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: Chris?
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Lexi is texting me. Lexi, Yes, my girlfriend.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Oh so where did you meet? Where did you meet?
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I met her at you know, I left this church
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: of Perhoky. I didn't have to break the ice to Alexi,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: and I was a sexophone there because she already new.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: That's always been the biggest fear in a relationship. It's like,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: when do you break that ice, especially with the situation
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: that we have.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: The people are here, because you need somebody with an
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: incredibly open mind.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Being out here alone, I mean, it's as it makes
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: you depressed, it tires you out that time time.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: If either of them break the curfew, they'll be hauled
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: back into jail. It's just gone half fight, Brandon, and
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: you're off home. Now You've left yourself an hour and
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: a half just in case anything goes sits.
• 33:40
  Speaker 10: Up an hour and a half or a fifteen minute drive.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so.
• 33:44
  Speaker 10: If I'm someone as a minute or two late to
• 33:46
  Speaker 10: my house, I'm subject to being arrested. All right, I'm
• 33:49
  Speaker 10: gonna go, And then.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: I feel conflicted about crisis strict punishment and have very
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: different appear to be treated the same in the eyes
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: of the law. Chris has invited me for dinner at
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: his girlfriend's family home, an hour drive away from Miracle Village.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I'm interested to meet a woman who, at the age
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: of twenty five, has managed to accept his conviction. God,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: is that Did you fancy him straight away?
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: No, there's just some guy.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: The only thing that isn't normal is that one of
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: you is a sex offender. So that must have made
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: you think twice a little.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: But then the more I got to know Chris, and
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: the more our personal relationship developed, the more I could
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: leave that he didn't know the age because I could
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: see past the label, because I could see his character
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: and who he really is.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: Here we go Rogers. For the longest time, I would
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: introduce Chris.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: This is my daughter Lexie, and then this is Chris
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: her drummer.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: So, Patty, do you feel comfy now telling people that
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Lexi's with Chris.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: With him where at the store, at the gas station?
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Just generally, I mean.
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: It would be It's not because of Chris and his lam.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: It's just my daughter with anybody. I don't know about dad.
• 35:43
  Speaker 17: He's a good kid. He takes care of my daughter,
• 35:45
  Speaker 17: treats right. That's all you really want. And it's also
• 35:48
  Speaker 17: good that it can squash him like a bug anytime
• 35:50
  Speaker 17: I want. All the difficulties surrounding it is the only
• 35:55
  Speaker 17: thing to worry about.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, what are those sacrifices Lexy.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Things like marriage and kids and living in places. All
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: of that is affected by the label of sex offender.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: One of the things that I think is the hardest
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: for me is the fact that I won't be able
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: to be the house at.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Host birthday parties or who.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Has sleepovers there, because what parents are going to trust
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: me to chaperone their kid if I'm married to a
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: sex offender. How do I explain to my kid that
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: people hate your father.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: It needs to be looked at for categories. If it
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: was helping, i'd be all for it, but it's not.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: So.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: In fact, it's making it worse.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Chris and Lexi are looking for a place to move
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: in together, but Chris's conviction and the living restrictions are
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: making it almost impossible to find a home.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Lovely Palmeache County. The Sheriff's office has a website that
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: they put together where you could kind of verify addresses
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: to see if they comply with sex offender residency restrictions.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: I've gotten kind of tired of. I would find a
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: house that I would really love to rent, and I
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: get all excited about it, and I show it to
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Chris and then I'll pop up.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Red even if it's green. The management, they might not
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: even accept the sex offenders.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Your life is on hold to a certain extent.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: And even thinking like now, we have to think about
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: he has to leave in three minutes to meet curfew.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: So it's always around this time of night. It's like,
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: all right, check the time, Check the time.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: So you've never been out to the past ten pm?
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: No, never, We've never been out past eight pm because
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: we have to time manage. It's a part of life
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: that we just have to deal with.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Of that one, of course, you are unlucky, man.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: I have very lucky that.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Chris can't move on. He served his time in jail,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: but can't build a life with lexing.
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: That means yeah, yeah, yeah, yea.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I don't see how making him live in Miracle Village
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: keeps kids safer. Oh love, tell me not all these
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: offenders are the same, but the law seems to treat
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: them as if they are. The Elements of these laws
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: that I'm finding unfair. Will introduced years after Pat was
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: convicted of his crime, and I'm wondering how the system
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: was different then there he is. Did it make more sense?
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I'm checking his record online like I can do with
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: all sex offenders here in Florida to see if it
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: can help me understand how punishments have changed. He told me.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: He said, have the twelve year sentence for a relationship
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: with a sixteen year old nineteen ninety one, so the
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: child engaging sexual performance gi we it says a child
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: under sixteen, So they were under sixteen, not sixteen like
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: he told me. And there are news articles too. Investigators
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: said he's eleven teen and preteen students at the time.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Investigators called it the largest sexual case in county history.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: This is a guy that was saying to me, is
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: so necessary for him to feel like the other sex offenders.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: But he's picking up and telling him the truth. So yeah,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: you know, of course I have to have the conversation
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: with him my question, but I need to do it
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: in a way that he doesn't feel like I've totally
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: made up my mind and I'm attacking him, because then
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: he's just going to switch off and closed. Now Brandon
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: is having a barbecue, and I'm hoping Pat is going
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: to be there so I can get the facts about
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: his crimes. He's saved many other offenders from prison and
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: speaks publicly about how they can be rehabilitated if they
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: face up to their crimes. For me to take anything,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: he says, seriously, I need to know his being honest,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: especially as he has so much contact with kids. Now him, Brandon,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: where's Pat?
• 40:43
  Speaker 10: Pat's inside. He's got some of his boys visiting, so
• 40:47
  Speaker 10: he's not going to be out here for a little while.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, how old are they other teenagers as far
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: as I know, and how long are they going to
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: be around for?
• 40:55
  Speaker 10: He's actually I believe he's just getting them ready to leave.
• 40:58
  Speaker 10: Eye and a couple of other friends can't contact with
• 41:00
  Speaker 10: the kids.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Clearly, I can't challenge him in front of the kids.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: So Brandon's on the yard sorting out the volleyball pitch perhaps,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: But I.
• 41:15
  Speaker 12: Heard of kids to the car and he's now driving
• 41:17
  Speaker 12: them on so that Brandom can go back inside the house.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Now I know Pats crimes, his contact with children makes
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: me even more uncomfortable, even though I know it's completely legal.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Should sex offenders be around kids? Kristian friend and sister
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: has arrived with her two year old daughter to help
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: with the barbecue.
• 42:06
  Speaker 10: Well, I'll let you introduce Stacy, but I'm going to
• 42:09
  Speaker 10: finish working over here.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: His probation stops him from having contact with his niece
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: or any other children. Gee, so what's the story. You
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: and the little one are allowed inside, Brandon stays outside,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: and then when he needs to come in, you have
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: to leave. That's how we do it. And I take
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: what I can get. I take what I can get.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Do you worry that you'll have to convince your husband
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: to allow his kids around their uncle, your brother?
• 42:53
  Speaker 18: And we've argued, promouted and my husband likes in as
• 43:00
  Speaker 18: a person.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: My husband doesn't like his title. It's hard to get passed.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Never ever saw this being a part of my future,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: but it is. So are you all right?
• 43:20
  Speaker 10: I'm doing well.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: This is the first time that I've felt a bit odd.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I saw that I was able to sort of run
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: right up to your niece and say hello and give
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: her a cuddle. And I've just met her.
• 43:38
  Speaker 10: That little girl was born while I was still in prison.
• 43:43
  Speaker 10: I can't be involved in her life and I was.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: So she has to leave before the barbecue really kicks off,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: because it's going to be a load of registered sex
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: offenders in this garden.
• 43:53
  Speaker 10: Are these are folks, They're personal friends of mine? Who
• 43:55
  Speaker 10: know their their limitations and their boundaries.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Do any of them admit to being attracted to children?
• 44:04
  Speaker 10: None of my friends, to my knowledge, have any serious
• 44:07
  Speaker 10: problem with the current attraction to.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Children current attraction.
• 44:11
  Speaker 10: There are some people who have had in their.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Past like that. You trust pat with your native.
• 44:21
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, He's shown himself to be nothing but trustworthy.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Brandon's friends were arriving most of sex offenders from Miracle Village,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: but he's also invited to female friends from work. Kristin
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: is preparing to me, if there weren't all those restrictions
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: legal restrictions, would you allow Brandon to have a relationship
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: with your kids? Absolutely?
• 44:47
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, I think it's more detrimental that they don't.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: But do you understand why that law has to exist.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I expect the law, I do understand, and I respect it.
• 44:59
  Speaker 10: I have to right yea ready.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Get up sick? Should sex offenders be around kids? Kristen
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: seems to think in her family's case. Yes. Now I've
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: spent more time in pohokied I'm questioning how the lord
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: draws lines between offenders. I'm not sure how it protects
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: kids or aids rehabilitation. There are gray areas. The rules
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: don't seem to account for. I've returned to Miami for
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: one last time. Things have developed since my last trip,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: and the homeless camp has been declared a health and
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: security risk. In weeks. There are plans to bulldoze it
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: is down at the camp.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: We don't set a date.
• 46:04
  Speaker 15: I think a lot of you guys think it's just
• 46:06
  Speaker 15: going to continue.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Ron has a complex relationship with the offenders here, as
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: well as pushing for laws that limit where they can live.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: He's also in charge of homeless provision in parts of Miami.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: Hey, your favorite guy is back.
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: I'm all right.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: He's offering the offenders money and help to find alternative accommodation.
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: You defend that I've gotten more than anything and not
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: knowing where to go.
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: I'll have career source here, I'll have a health department here.
• 46:35
  Speaker 11: Housing navigators are going to be here.
• 46:37
  Speaker 15: But when we set that down, my money will go elsewhere.
• 46:40
  Speaker 9: Yet all are your house.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I've come to talk to Lauren and Ron one more
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: time to see if they feel it's right for personal
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: trauma and emotion to influence America's sex vendor laws. Prior
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: to coming here, I've always dealt with victims and survivors,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: and so I've always felt this fierce sense of loyalty
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: to them. And on on paper, I can understand that
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the laws make perfect sense, but I think there are
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: one or two that don't keep the kids any safer.
• 47:21
  Speaker 15: No matter what, you commit a crime against a kid,
• 47:23
  Speaker 15: we'll treating you different.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: You committed a crime, a heinous crime.
• 47:28
  Speaker 11: You stole a you stole my daughter's childhood, Go to
• 47:34
  Speaker 11: hell your son of them. And that is why we
• 47:37
  Speaker 11: require you to be registered, because we want the public
• 47:40
  Speaker 11: to know that you are a potential problem.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I tell you something, one though, I feel like you
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: feel guilty for not protecting Lauren's but it's it's only place.
• 47:53
  Speaker 11: I'm not sure I ever felt guilty.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: But Lauren, you thought he did, didn't he she does.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know how parents couldn't.
• 48:01
  Speaker 9: Our job is to keep them safe in ways that
• 48:03
  Speaker 9: we that I wasn't able.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: To be kept safe.
• 48:06
  Speaker 18: And I think it's like appropriate, you better go get
• 48:19
  Speaker 18: your buddy.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: So do you think that's why they're so militant and
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: to listen to you, I think that that's a piece
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 48:37
  Speaker 9: But I would murder somebody who would hurt my kids.
• 48:40
  Speaker 10: I would I would, as would you.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Should emotion play such a big part in these laws,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they are here to actually keep
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: children safer or make the public feel better. Brandon has
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: told me Pat is going to be at his house today,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: so I'm calling around to try and talk to him again.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: He wasn't straight with me about his crimes, and I
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: really need to know the truth. Obviously. When we first met,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: I asked you what your situation was, and you said
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: that you had had an inappropriate relationship with a sixteen
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: year olds.
• 49:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah, under sixteen.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: You said sixteen, didn't you? No, under sixteen you said sixteen?
• 49:39
  Speaker 8: Pat to me, oh and it was under sixteen is
• 49:42
  Speaker 8: exactly what it is.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, that's what I want to talk to
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: you about, because you said that there was one victim.
• 49:50
  Speaker 8: What they charge you with sometimes and what actually is
• 49:54
  Speaker 8: two different things.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Because the investigators said that you had miners.
• 50:01
  Speaker 8: No, that's not.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Don't just finished, just okay, So this is my underscernding.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Investigators said that you have eleven miners, teens and preteens.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: You have touched them yourself with your own hands, and
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: then you would encourage them to touch one another whilst
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: you watched through a hole in the wall teams and proteins.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: That this isn't about me.
• 50:24
  Speaker 8: It's about me in my case, there's no interview.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Why why because.
• 50:28
  Speaker 8: That's why it has to be because.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Because you deliberately misled me. This is ridiculous. Challenge you them?
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Can't I challenge.
• 50:38
  Speaker 8: You no, because this is it's not about me. It's
• 50:41
  Speaker 8: about what we've done, how our lives are changed, and
• 50:44
  Speaker 8: how things are going about you and and what you're
• 50:46
  Speaker 8: doing now.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: So I can't challenge.
• 50:48
  Speaker 8: You why I started off as everybody ridiculous.
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: This is not about me.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: It is about It's about.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Absolutely the children that you abused ministry.
• 51:01
  Speaker 8: That's all.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: You've beenre You've been insincere. You said that you place
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: such importance on people being honest, and you haven't been honest.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: You haven't been honest. Pat, You're a liar. Do you
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: think it's Do you think it's appropriate for you to
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: spend so much time with children? Pat? Look how behaving.
• 51:28
  Speaker 10: Pap.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: PA's annoyed that I. Pat's annoyed that I've I've brought
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: up his past in.
• 51:35
  Speaker 10: His position as a director of this ministry. He doesn't
• 51:38
  Speaker 10: want the focus to be on his past.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: But we have to look at his post. We have
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: to look at his past to determine whether he should
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: be allowed to have these relationships with children that aren't
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: biologically related to him. We have to look at his past.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Do you do you not see.
• 51:57
  Speaker 10: That Pat doesn't want to get into being in those
• 52:02
  Speaker 10: judgmental positions that.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Has devastated numerous kids' lives. I sat down to have
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: a calm conversation about that, and he's kicked off. It's
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: a shame that he's reacted in that way. Do you
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: know what? I didn't come to Florida to shout and
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: ball and kick off and have an argument with a
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: seventy year old sex offender. You know, it hasn't been
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: easy to put my feelings and my opinions to one
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: side or all of the time. But I've come to
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: try and understand if the setup here is working. I
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: can't do that if I'm not given the truth. How
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: can I believe what he's saying if he's never been
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: honest from the start. In two years, Brandon will be
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: off probation and we'll be able to have contact with
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: his nieces. He says he wants to move on from
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: his past. I've arranged to catch up with him one
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: more time before I leave Florida on a fishing trip.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: In less than a couple of years, you'll be living
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: a very different life. You'll be able to chat kids,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: have contact with children, and.
• 53:36
  Speaker 10: If that happens, then I'll be in a much better
• 53:38
  Speaker 10: place to start that relationship with my family.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Do you still struggle with the attraction.
• 53:48
  Speaker 8: I'm not.
• 53:50
  Speaker 10: Sexually motivated when it comes to persons at a young age.
• 53:56
  Speaker 8: I'm not a f.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: I think for me, I feel like you have been
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: very honest and very forthcoming in terms of you viewing
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: child nography, child has has there ever been any other
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: issues for situations that you've been involved.
• 54:20
  Speaker 10: With When I was younger, when I was a teenager
• 54:27
  Speaker 10: and I'm physically child, I touched that child with my hands.
• 54:37
  Speaker 10: There was no sex or penetration, but in essence I
• 54:42
  Speaker 10: taught that child to master me.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: How old was the child, I think three or.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: Four years old.
• 54:50
  Speaker 10: There wasn't luring, there wasn't predatory intent, there wasn't predatory behavior.
• 54:56
  Speaker 8: It was.
• 54:59
  Speaker 10: Opportunity. I have gotten to a point where I am
• 55:04
  Speaker 10: not a danger to the people around me. At my heart,
• 55:08
  Speaker 10: I'm a good enough person to make the right decisions.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: The good people and less kids.
• 55:18
  Speaker 10: That's a very black and white question.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: It's a very simple question, the good the decent people
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: as children.
• 55:28
  Speaker 10: There are decent people who do horrible things all the time,
• 55:31
  Speaker 10: and in those moments they're not decent. In those times,
• 55:35
  Speaker 10: they're not decent, But there is the power of redemption.
• 55:42
  Speaker 10: God can redeem the worst.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: Glue.
• 56:08
  Speaker 12: I've come to Florida to try and come to a
• 56:12
  Speaker 12: conclusion in terms of whether or not I think it's
• 56:16
  Speaker 12: possible to rehabilitate these individuals and to reintegrate them back
• 56:20
  Speaker 12: into society.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: The offenders I've spent so much time with here want
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: a second chance. Tough laws here will never allow them.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: But I desperately want to believe people can change. But
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: I can't quite let my feelings about what they've done go.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: What if they go on to as another child to
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: make another mistake. I wouldn't be willing to take that risk.