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Ep. 980: Rut Fresh Radio - Thanksgiving Week: The Last Great Rut Window of the Year? · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: All right, folks, welcome back to the last edition of
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  Speaker 1: Refresh for the month of November. I'm Jake Coper and
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  Speaker 1: we have a handful of different updates here across the
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  Speaker 1: country like Ohio, Kansas, Iowa, and Pennsylvania. So I hope
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  Speaker 1: you guys enjoy a little check in and some strategy
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  Speaker 1: that might help you over the next seven days. As
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  Speaker 1: you know, Roughresh is brought to you by land dot Com,
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  Speaker 1: the leading online real estate marketplace to find your perfect rural, recreational,
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  Speaker 1: agricultural hunting properties here in the US. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: we're entering a little bit of an awkward time of
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  Speaker 1: the year. Depending on what state you're in, depending on
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  Speaker 1: where the gun seasons are placed, you might have you
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  Speaker 1: might be dealing with a new hand now then even
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  Speaker 1: just a couple of weeks ago, and we're going to
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  Speaker 1: give you some intel, some insight on how to roll
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  Speaker 1: with the punches move forward. And that is my challenge
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  Speaker 1: for you guys this week. Just keep keep moving forward,
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  Speaker 1: go out and scout thanks to restrategize, brainstorm. That's all
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  Speaker 1: you can do. So without further too, let's kick things
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  Speaker 1: off with Casey Smith from the Element. Here we go,
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  Speaker 1: all right. First up, we have Casey Smith from The
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  Speaker 1: Element who just shot his personal best buck in Kansas.
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  Speaker 1: You're sitting in Iowa and you're a guy I gotta
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  Speaker 1: talk to because you're you were like in the cut
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  Speaker 1: man you have flying around.
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  Speaker 2: It's a weird feeling when you have like a big tag,
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  Speaker 2: like an Iowa tag is you kind of know right
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  Speaker 2: like you I want to sit there and like absorb
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  Speaker 2: the feeling of shooting a giant buck, my biggest buck ever,
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  Speaker 2: and then it's like I actually I got to spend
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  Speaker 2: about twelve hours taking daddy in and it's time to
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  Speaker 2: roll on because I need to do this tag justice.
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  Speaker 3: So it's it's a strange feeling, but you know, first
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  Speaker 3: world problems.
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  Speaker 2: As they say, super blast to be able to hunt
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  Speaker 2: multiple states.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah man, so yeah, congratulations, incredible gear. We've stayed in
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  Speaker 1: touch here throughout the season, and what have you been
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  Speaker 1: seeing as far as activity here? You know, in the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of days here Illinois, this was our first
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  Speaker 1: we just wrapped up the first little leg of our
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  Speaker 1: gun season. There was there was some riding activity and
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  Speaker 1: then some like man, I can't wait for a foot
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  Speaker 1: of snow activity too. So what have you been seeing.
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  Speaker 2: So Kansas and I are a lot different. Do you
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  Speaker 2: want both or do you want yeah? I would yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: So in Kansas it was very much locked down. The
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  Speaker 2: only bucks you saw on their feet were the dinkers,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they were running around two year olds and
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  Speaker 2: under were were roman. I saw in general less bucks
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  Speaker 2: this year. I think that we had some EHD after
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  Speaker 2: talking to farmers and stuff, and some of the crop
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  Speaker 2: rotation wasn't favorable for us, So not as many bucks
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  Speaker 2: as I'm used to, you know. But if you were
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  Speaker 2: in an open area and you could find a buck
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  Speaker 2: on lockdown, you could get on them. Because I love
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  Speaker 2: lockdown whenever I can see the bucks. Now, when if
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  Speaker 2: you're in the timber country and you can't see the bucks,
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  Speaker 2: or you're in you know, my by mile crop country
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  Speaker 2: and they're all on the fence rows.
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  Speaker 3: It's difficult, right, I mean, you know this very well.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're out in you know, say grassland habitat
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  Speaker 2: and you can see bucks and glass a long ways
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  Speaker 2: like the lockdown's awesome because you just bet them and
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  Speaker 2: go after them.
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  Speaker 3: And I kind of like jason them down, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So that was fun. But I would say it was difficult.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, I think the nation understands that the temperatures
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  Speaker 2: have not been favorable for most of the month. So
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  Speaker 2: with that comes some early, you know, even nighttime deer
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  Speaker 2: movement getting back to their betting areas as opposed to
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  Speaker 2: you know, if it was thirty five at nine am,
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  Speaker 2: there'd still be deer very.
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  Speaker 3: Much on their feet in crop fields and this and that.
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  Speaker 3: I just wasn't seeing that.
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  Speaker 2: And you combine that with the warmer temperatures also have
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  Speaker 2: made for some foggy mornings I feel like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: because there's more humidity than what there normally would be
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  Speaker 2: when the cold you know, the cold fronts knocks.
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  Speaker 3: That out of the air.
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  Speaker 2: So it made really difficult conditions for glassing as well.
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  Speaker 2: And I've had that in both places, Iowa and Kansas.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, now you juxpose that to Iowa. Iowa really seems.
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  Speaker 2: Like lockdown is over for the most part. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's still our bucks lockeddown. I'm having a
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  Speaker 2: hard time seeing my shooters on the hoof. However, I'm rattling,
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  Speaker 2: especially in the evenings, and I'm having multiple deer every
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  Speaker 2: rattling sequence come in to that ratling sea when this evening.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, I've had a really like a heart wrening
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  Speaker 2: pass on one upper one forties twelve point that was
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  Speaker 2: three years old, and I normally would really like if
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  Speaker 2: I was in forty eight other states, I would probably
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  Speaker 2: be ripping that, you know, out of respect to the
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  Speaker 2: landowner and just also you know, wanting to hunt anspture deer.
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  Speaker 3: I gave him the past.
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  Speaker 1: So when you're rid on in the evening specifically and
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  Speaker 1: even thinking here for the next seven days, are you waiting?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, are you riding on at three o'clock, four
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  Speaker 1: o'clock on the hour? Are you waiting right towards that
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  Speaker 1: golden hour, you know, thirty forty minutes before sunset? What's
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  Speaker 1: kind of what? Are you busting them out?
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much as soon as I get in the tree,
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  Speaker 2: I mean crazy enough. On the walk in this evening
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  Speaker 2: in Iowa, we came across a little rut fest not
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  Speaker 2: where I was trying to go.
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  Speaker 3: It was. Let me explain the property a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: There's a bean field on top, and then there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of CRP buffers around the bean like it sits
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  Speaker 2: up really well right as far as like deer.
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  Speaker 3: Habitat goes hard to hunt because of access. And then
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  Speaker 3: in the middle of crp fields are fingers of timber
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  Speaker 3: through the draws, you know, kind of classic Midwest Iowa
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  Speaker 3: looking stuff, right.
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  Speaker 2: And these deer we're all down on the adjacent property.
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  Speaker 2: There's a pond, probably about a one acre pond, and
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  Speaker 2: it has a real marshy area at the head of that,
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  Speaker 2: and that hits the fence, and there were five or
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  Speaker 2: six bucks right there at the head of that, just
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  Speaker 2: in there.
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  Speaker 3: Sparring, posturing up at one another, and there was one
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  Speaker 3: four year old in the group.
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  Speaker 2: He's all busted up, kind of a thin antler deer,
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  Speaker 2: a deer I knew, and he kind of postured through
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  Speaker 2: and then left, and that made me kind of decide
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  Speaker 2: that there wasn't a more mature deer in there.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was just one of those things.
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  Speaker 2: Where it's kind of the late rut situation where all
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  Speaker 2: those bucks are kind of getting back together, especially the
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  Speaker 2: young ones, and they're kind of doing their re establishing
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  Speaker 2: who's the boss.
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  Speaker 3: That kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So that's kind of the unique thing that I saw there.
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  Speaker 2: But that leads back to your question. They were sparring,
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  Speaker 2: and that kind of very much gives me confidence to
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  Speaker 2: know that that works now. It is a start contrast
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  Speaker 2: to morning versus evening. I have not rattled in a
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  Speaker 2: deer in the morning yet. I don't and I don't
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  Speaker 2: really know why that.
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  Speaker 3: Is the case. But in the evenings it's working really,
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  Speaker 3: really well.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I got to the stand late because we
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  Speaker 2: ran across that little you know, buckfest down there. But
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  Speaker 2: I rattled the first time, I think at three point forty,
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  Speaker 2: and had a two year old and a decent buck
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  Speaker 2: come running in.
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  Speaker 3: They never got in range, but they they ran up.
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  Speaker 2: And I think they got actually cut off by some doze.
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  Speaker 2: But then the second time I rattled was about four
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  Speaker 2: to ten, and that's when that future stud just ran
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  Speaker 2: to the base.
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  Speaker 3: Of the tree.
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  Speaker 2: He just came up over the hill through the RP,
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  Speaker 2: just straight in, you know, just kind of what you
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  Speaker 2: dream of. But yeah, yeah, and then again later I
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  Speaker 2: rattled in another three year old eight point so strock
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  Speaker 2: and rolling.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a really good fresh piece of
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  Speaker 1: advice for the time of year. And I always find
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  Speaker 1: it interesting too. I feel like you can pick up
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  Speaker 1: a lot just from social media. In the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of days, I've seen the big bucks biding to the
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  Speaker 1: death for the first time, you know, like, and it
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  Speaker 1: seems like that's this happened here in the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of days. So I feel like that probably adds a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more context to do your's success too. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: I just picked up I mean, you and I talked
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  Speaker 1: about this previously, but I picked up one of my shooters, Daylight,
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  Speaker 1: for the first time, and I think like thirty five days,
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  Speaker 1: and he'd broken off a time, and he didn't really
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  Speaker 1: seem like much of a fodder.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't think.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that they are very much kind of
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  Speaker 2: duking it out for the last good smells.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So as far as so right on in
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  Speaker 1: the evenings you're finding success, is there anything else words
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  Speaker 1: of Encouragement's Thanksgiving week? You probably have family stuff. You've
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  Speaker 1: probably been hunting like an animal the whole bomb, and
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  Speaker 1: now you got to go back and say, hey, I
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  Speaker 1: still need to go out and hunt, And how are
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  Speaker 1: you gonna Are you gonna position this for success for
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  Speaker 1: anyone that's gonna try to sneak out here in the
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  Speaker 1: next seven days?
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  Speaker 2: For sure, I would say that now I'm kind of weird, right,
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  Speaker 2: I just told everybody. I like hunting lock down, and
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  Speaker 2: nobody really likes hunting locked down. You know, in specific situations,
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  Speaker 2: it's good. The same thing goes for the heat of
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  Speaker 2: the rut if you have target bucks. I found that,
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  Speaker 2: like the heat of the rut is difficult because you
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  Speaker 2: don't know where they're going to be.
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  Speaker 3: And I think we're starting to see.
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  Speaker 2: Those target bucks actually kind of go back to using
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  Speaker 2: their core areas a lot more, and.
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  Speaker 3: So trail cameras for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Like if you pick up a deer on shil camera,
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  Speaker 2: then you can have a lot more confidence I think
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  Speaker 2: over the next week of that deer being in that area,
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  Speaker 2: whereas you know, ten five days ago, even if you
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  Speaker 2: picked up a buck on shil camera, it's almost like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: let me go way away from that because that's where
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  Speaker 2: he's actually going to be tomorrow, you know. So I
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  Speaker 2: think that it's a great time of year to catch
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  Speaker 2: bucks you are still feeling ruddy, but also not roaming
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  Speaker 2: near as far as they were.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's that's really good advice. As far
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  Speaker 1: as one to ten next next seven days, ten being
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  Speaker 1: the best week of the year, one being one of
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  Speaker 1: the worst weeks of the year, you're in Iowa, you
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  Speaker 1: have a tag in your pocket. How much conviction do
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  Speaker 1: you have in the next seven days.
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  Speaker 2: I would say it's really good because we are looking
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  Speaker 2: at the best weather front that we've had so far
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  Speaker 2: this year. I know the dates aren't good, and I
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  Speaker 2: know the science tells you that the rut is always
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  Speaker 2: determined by you know, or dironal length right or length
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  Speaker 2: of day. However, cold weather will get the deer on
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  Speaker 2: their feet and get them moving.
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  Speaker 3: Whether it is going to increase.
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  Speaker 2: Any rut action, I think it just increases visible rut action,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 3: So I would say that in the next week, we're looking.
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  Speaker 2: At seven I feel like especially in Iowa.
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  Speaker 3: I think, I mean, Kansas is different.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't go that higher, but for Iowa, for the Midwest,
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  Speaker 2: especially since it's been so hot, I think that it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be a great week.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I love it. That's that's the positivity we
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  Speaker 1: need right now.
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  Speaker 3: So I like the positivity.
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  Speaker 1: Man. Sure. One question I think would probably be in
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  Speaker 1: the back of a lot of people's minds, so as
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  Speaker 1: far as hunting food sources in the evenings for this
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  Speaker 1: next seven days, is that something that you're going to
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  Speaker 1: try to target corn beans or are you still going
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  Speaker 1: to be kind of set up in some sort of
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  Speaker 1: transitional area or in the woods or timber or just
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  Speaker 1: inn I was specifically, and you know people can extrapolate
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  Speaker 1: that for the Midwest.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think that in Iwa, I know of
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  Speaker 2: an eighth of an acre of standing beans here on
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  Speaker 2: this property. And the other day we showed up and
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  Speaker 2: it was that rainy day where it was pretty cold,
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  Speaker 2: and those deer were hammered that little tiny eighth of
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  Speaker 2: an acre because temperature is somewhat relative, right, Like it
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  Speaker 2: was a shock. It was a twenty degree drop even
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  Speaker 2: though it's only forty five when it has been being
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  Speaker 2: sixty five or seventy. They're like, oh, I gotta go
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  Speaker 2: hit the feed. And so I think absolutely that that
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  Speaker 2: anywhere you can find good food is it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be awesome.
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  Speaker 3: But I still think that like on mornings, being tucked
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  Speaker 3: back up in the stuff is a great move.
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  Speaker 2: But if it's the evening, I think you really have
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  Speaker 2: a hard time hunting, like out in the open, But
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  Speaker 2: like if you can find yourself at the head of
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  Speaker 2: a draw that leads to good food, you know, a
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  Speaker 2: staging area, you know a place you can let the
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  Speaker 2: dose get by you and not smell you or see
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  Speaker 2: you and be there for the last thirty minutes. That's
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  Speaker 2: a really good opportunity to see a mature buck on
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  Speaker 2: his feet.
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  Speaker 4: I like it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, good luck and Iowa congratulations on all the success
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  Speaker 1: this year.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, brother, thank you very much.
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  Speaker 1: And as far as these hunts this year, will they
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  Speaker 1: be on the element next year or when is that
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  Speaker 1: when those will drop?
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  Speaker 2: Probably I shot my biggest public land buck ever this
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  Speaker 2: year a few weeks ago. That hunt will drop on
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  Speaker 2: Monday the twenty third or fourth or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: So by the time this goes out, it's already is out.
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  Speaker 2: And that actually is an exhilarating on.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the craziest.
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  Speaker 2: I rattled this deary and he just rips through a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of cattails and frag and all kinds of stuff
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  Speaker 2: to get to us, and you know, stand off at
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  Speaker 2: fifteen yards, so pretty sick.
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  Speaker 3: I'd appreciate and thank you for bringing that up. That'll
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  Speaker 3: be out. As far as my the biggest book.
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  Speaker 2: Ever that just happened, that will likely be a twenty
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  Speaker 2: sixth release.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sure you know we're picking up pieces right now.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's people can go watch a HELMP from this
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  Speaker 1: year on the element, So I encourage him to go
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  Speaker 1: do that. And congratulations again on awesome year and good
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  Speaker 1: luck and Iowa thank you, Jake, really appreciate it all right.
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  Speaker 1: Next up is Clint Campbell with Truth from the stand
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  Speaker 1: back in Pennsylvania. He spent a long time in Kansas.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, we're getting to the point where now is
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  Speaker 1: it's the bottom of the ninth of November. Man, Like,
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  Speaker 1: there's no way to sugarcoat this. We're there. And before
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  Speaker 1: we get into what you've been seeing and what you're
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  Speaker 1: looking forward to over the next week, how many public
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  Speaker 1: land acres are in the state of Pennsylvania and the
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  Speaker 1: answers in millions?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's three and a half million.
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  Speaker 1: My little book says five point eight.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say five. I was trying to remember.
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  Speaker 5: It's funny because I had looked at it probably like
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  Speaker 5: three months ago, so I don't even remember why I
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  Speaker 5: looked at it. I was just probably out of curiosity.
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  Speaker 4: Dang.
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  Speaker 5: I knew it was millions. I knew it was millions,
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  Speaker 5: but I was between three and five.
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  Speaker 4: So man, you got.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty pretty dark close. Yeah, that's that's pretty dark close.
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  Speaker 1: So what have you been seeing here in the last
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  Speaker 1: you know, a couple of days. And I know, I
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  Speaker 1: know you just got back from a really long extended trip,
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  Speaker 1: so I understand if you haven't been back out in Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 1: but kind of what have you been seeing from cameras activity? Friends? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and what's been going on? Or is there still some
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  Speaker 1: running activity going on? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: There is.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I was out, I was out in the
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  Speaker 5: planes and the faucet kind of turned off out there
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  Speaker 5: as the weather as the weather hit or got warm,
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  Speaker 5: and then it was going to rain.
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  Speaker 4: But I was starting before I left.
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  Speaker 5: I was already to see Bucks start to kind of
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  Speaker 5: cruise again, you know, and we're coming out of lockdown
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  Speaker 5: and stuff like that, you know, and so whether it
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  Speaker 5: just kind of turns I.
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  Speaker 4: Ended up coming back coming back to PA.
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  Speaker 5: I haven't been able to get out like like you'd mentioned,
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  Speaker 5: but I've just been kind of monitoring cameras and the
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  Speaker 5: bummer was there's real good. There's an area that I
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  Speaker 5: like to hunt that usually historically, like the eighteenth and
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  Speaker 5: nineteenth have always been really really good, like twentieth you know,
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  Speaker 5: twenty first, and I just couldn't get out of work
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  Speaker 5: early enough to get there. And sure enough, like I
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  Speaker 5: don't have a cell camera in that spot because I've
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  Speaker 5: had it stolen there multiple times, so I put it.
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  Speaker 4: I put a junker in there.
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  Speaker 5: And but where I have some cell cameras, like all
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  Speaker 5: of a sudden, like one of the better bucks that
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  Speaker 5: I've actually had on camera all year showed up on
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  Speaker 5: the nineteenth and so hitting a scrape right and bought
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: it work at the licking branch, you know, urinated in it,
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: doing all the things right. And so I'm starting to
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: see that, you know, as you mentioned, we're in the
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: bottom of the ninth, starting to see that like bottom
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: of the ninth activity kind of happened where you know,
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: it's gonna be probably dead as a doornail most places, right,
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: you know, comparatively speaking.
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: Right to what we experience November November.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but if you're in the right spot, there's
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: still magic to be made, right, And so that's that's
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: kind of what I'm seeing from my cameras. I'm still seeing,
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: you know, what i'll call satellite bucks still doing a
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: lot of like moving like they're they seem to be
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: really visible. But it seems like, you know, the big
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: boys of course, might be hanging a little tighter to
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: the cover.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: They're still covering ground.
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: It's it's now it seems like it's more the twilight,
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: so gray light on both ends of the day. Right,
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: it's no longer like mid day cruising hanging out like
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: I'm really seeing it close to like bedding cover. And
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: they're getting back just a little late in the morning
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: or getting out just a little earlier in the in
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: the afternoon or evening, if you will, right, And so
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: that's kind of what the cameras are telling me now.
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: So I'm kind of chomping out the bit to get
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: back out because I know, you know, got one more
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: swing at it, and it's not a bad swing if
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: you know where to be. And I've got a couple
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: of spots that I think are that are primed, so you.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Mentioned, you know, if you're in the right spot, you
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: still might be seeing some activity, and it sounds like
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: you need to be a little bit tighter to cover
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: more than likely for someone listening that says, yeah, where
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I hunted the majority of November, it was on fire.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Now I've hunted it a couple of times, and you know,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: you see a spike and a dough family group that's
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: back together, and like, dude, I'm not in the right spot,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: and I know the clock's ticking. So what would you
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: tell that person to at least try to try to
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: find here and also remain somewhat calm too, And maybe
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: you don't want to be cool, maybe you want to
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: be sporadic and crazy.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not going to be calm. You know, I'm
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: going to be pretty.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: And when I say that, like, I'm just going to
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: be really mobile, like I'm not gonna soak spots necessarily,
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: Like this isn't the rut where I'm going to put
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm just like some people will still kind
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: of do this where it's like time in seat and
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: I'm just going to ride out all they sit. It's
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: like I'll do that whenever I'm in that kind of
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: time frame where it's like, man, magic can happen at
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: any moment. You know, you can have a giant or
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: your target deer walk through because they're moving all day
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: in daylight, anding through a caution to the wind. To me,
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: when we get to this timeframe, I probably start to
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: hunt it more like I hunt like that mid to
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: later October timeframe where I'm trying to constantly find where
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: I'm going to be in the game at right and
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: if it's if I don't have a good feeling about
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: the spot I'm in, whether the trail cameras have been
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: dead in that area, or if the sign has kind
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: of told me that they're not in the area.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: That's the other hard part, Like they're not.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: Really laying down stuff like you had seen previously, so
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: you're probably really relying more on trying to cut a track,
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: you know, trying to get a visual on something like
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: a little further away if you can, you know, if
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: you're in an area that you can see or whatever
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: the case is.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: But I'm definitely not staying calm.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: I'm probably going back to more of my kind of
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: like pre rut kind of like approach to things. I'm
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: going to stick closer to betting cover. I'm probably going
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: to play the odds of like trying to if I
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: know there's a good betting area that's going to hold
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: like a decent buck or two, typically, I'm probably going
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: to play that and kind of bank on maybe catching
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: them coming back late or leaving a little bit early
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: to kind of.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Make their rounds, so to speak.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: The dough situation, I feel is almost kind of like
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: off the table to a degree, like the dough family groups,
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: because you're really kind of like if they've been bred
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: or they're not in, then you're kind of like just
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: outside the game, like you got no shot at that point,
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: right unless I start to see, like if I'm in
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: an area that I know there's like a dough family
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: and I see a and I see a straggler, like,
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: then then maybe, right, But if I'm seeing them grouped
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: up and stuff like that, like I'm not I'm not
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: spending time in those areas. And that was honestly kind
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: of my similar strategy when rubs in the planes, like
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: I would look for dough family groups, and once they
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: broke up, I knew it was game on. And then
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: soon they got back together, I knew that place was
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: that place was cool.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I had I had a this week. Actually, its pretty funny,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: A hundred. It the evening before seven bucks, like, oh
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: my gosh, you know, and I'm honey a specific deer,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: and then I went and hunted to the next morning
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: and then here comes the dough two yearly and I
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's the same dough. And I was like, oh,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: party's over.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: That was exactly what happened.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: That's exactly what happened to me in that cold snap
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: that we had that came across the Midwest there like
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: the middle ish early part of November, and that was
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: when I saw all my had all my encounters, and
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: it was like, same as you.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: I saw seven bucks.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: I forget I think it was the ninth or tenth,
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: and then it was.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Just like someone turned the fossil off.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: Like I came back the next day it was the
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: same thing where I was like, hey, there's seven doughs altogether.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: I was like it was a bad sign.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But you know, I think, you know, there's a
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: lot of people to preach, you know, the magic of
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving week and and those bucks desperately searching and last
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: like five out of six years, I've already killed a buck.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: So honestly, typically I have a hundred. This this time
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: period is hard, and I will be because I'm still
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: afterwood and so I'm taking all this advice to heart here.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: But I think for someone that has an extended time,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: maybe they have more time this weekend because you know,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving they're going to go eat some turkey and then sorry,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go hunt this upcoming weekend. I mean, your
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: your strategy here is just go in there and try
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: to find something for a reason to be there or
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: whether it's intel camera data and and just ultimately everyone
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: hats to admit it hope to get a little lucky.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think part of it too is like
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: is you know a little bit where you hunt to
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: a degree for me hunting like the public that I
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: hunt and things of that and things of that nature.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: You know, it's been pounded all season, right, so I
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: got to really kind of go in and qualify. Right.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: But I think if you're in a situation where you
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: have like lease ground or your own ground or whatever
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: and that you're managing and stuff like that, and you
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: kind of know what deer in the area, you can
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: I think then you can maybe ride things out a
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: little bit more.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: For me, it's more of a I have to go
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: back prospect again to a degree, right, you know, which
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: means I'm going to be a little bit more mobile.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to pull a whole lot of time
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: because I when I think of that, the person I
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: think of, and you probably would agree that when I
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: think of that time frame, like the week before and
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: after Thanksgiving, like that two week kind of period, the
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: person who comes to my mind is Don Higgins, like
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: because that is the person that, like, you know, years ago,
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: when I had him on the show, we were talking,
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: and that was he was the first one that kind of.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: Told me about that week being so good.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: And so when I think of that week, I think
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: of him a lot of times because that's where I
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: picked it up at. And but I also kind of
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: recognize that some of this too is you know, yes,
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: it can be good, but it's like you've got to
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: be in the game. And if you have a property
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: that's that's in the game, then awesome. If you don't,
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: you probably need to qualify and prospect and figure out,
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: you know, if where you're intending to hunt is putting
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: you in the game or not, And if not, then
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: you don't want to be spending time there because it's
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: going to feel like you're hunting the last week of January,
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean, or like whatever the whatever
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: your late season is with no destination food source, you
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: know what I mean, because like that's what you get.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: You either get, you either get.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this feels like pre ready because I'm in a
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: I'm in the game right and I've got the things
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: I need to have, right or I feel like I'm
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: hunting like the last.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Week of late season with no destination food right where
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: it's just the ghost town.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Right, perfect, perfect way to describe it. And then I think,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: what about hunting public Land in Pennsylvania to everyone's been
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: out hunting really hard, and so like how much does
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: human pressure come into your weekend game plan for Thanksgiving weekend?
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, if I'm gonna be away from the family,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be hunting. I need to try to make
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: good use of my time. I also know, based off
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: camera inventory or maybe historically, you know, one area gets
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: you know, hunted really hard. I mean, is that going
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: pretty heavy into your decision making process?
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: One hundred percent?
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because most of the places that I would hunt,
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: you know in that you know, Octobers November, like just
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: during the season in general, Like I won't go to
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: this during this time, right because it's it's going to
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: have been hunted pretty hard at this point. And it's
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: also places where people are going to be preparing for
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: gun seasons, so they're going to be out this weekend
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: putting up their stands, like doing their last minute stuff, right,
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: because I've literally hunted a couple of these places like
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: this week in particular, and had people walk in on
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: me where I hadn't seen a soul in there the
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: rest of the year, right, And so I'm more so
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: looking for places that are totally out of the way,
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: and it might even be places where I look at
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: and go it's probably not that great, but there's not
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: going to be people, right, And so my first kind
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: of criteria is just don't be near people and then
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: figure out what the deer situation is is from there,
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: because otherwise, you know, I'm going to have no deer
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: end people, which is just a recipe for you know, frustration,
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: a terrible weekend.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a lot of frustration. So looking here at
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the advanced weather forecast, you know, looking for this upcoming
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: week scale one to ten, ten being best week of
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: the year. There was we had some ten and I'll
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: be curious if we have more tents we have throughout
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the remainder of the season. Refresh, But one to ten,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: where do you put the next week at and I'll
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: give you a second look at the weather. Here we
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: do here, NOLLOI. We actually we do have some some
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: we have a good front rolling in. Yeah, the day
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: this this goes live. So I'm sure you guys gonna
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: be a day probably a day after that.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: Man, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say it's probably like
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: a A seven, Okay, a seven.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: I'll say that's optimistic seven or six. Yeah. The only
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: reason being is that we have some days.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: It looks looks like we're going to have some highs
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: where it's not going to get out of the forties.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: But we do have some stuff like going into next
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: week where it is going to get like touch sixties.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: That's not great. But if I look at the very last.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: Day of the ten day forecast, it's a forty one
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: and twenty eight for high and low with a chance
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: of some snow, right, and so so we're gonna have
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: some decent days in there mixed with some like not
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: great days. So that's why I'm giving it kind of
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: like a six seven. I think the decent days could
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: be good. The days that aren't going to be great
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: aren't going to be good. You know, so kind of
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: balance this out, which was like ten, but but but
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: we're gonna go six or seven.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: We got to be realistic too. But I think that
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: gives everyone a game plan on what you're doing. And
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I think there's some really good tangible pieces of of
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: a vice for the approach. And is there one last
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: thing that you would tell someone It could be It
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: could be anything, and we'll leave them with that.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think you know, this time of year,
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: if you don't feel like you're you're if you feel
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: like you're not in them, You're not alone. There's a
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: lot of people who ain't in them, you know. So
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: that's the one thing. And then don't throw the season
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: away necessarily, but you know, start thinking about things for
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: next year. Also, like even if you like say like
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: for me, for example, I have a lot of pressure
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: in my state gun seasons getting ready to open, you know,
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: So I'm gonna go hunt a spot that admittedly I
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: had an opportunity to shoot her in October, so I'm
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: going to kind of go back there, but I haven't
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: been able to hunt this spot a.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: Whole lot just historically.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: It was kind of a newer spot to me, so
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: part of it is like, yeah, I think it's a
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: good opportunity I can get away from people. But also
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: it's like, man, I can grab some intel, right, I
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: can kind of figure out how it hunts. I can
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: kind of figure out what the wind is going to
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: do with the thermals are.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Going to do that.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: Way, when I go to hunt it next year, I
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: have a little bit more data, right, So I try
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: to use some of these hunts where where the season
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: gets tough and have the silver lining be Man, It's
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: just part of the learning process and I'm either going
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: to fill a tag or I'm going to learn something today,
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: and that's kind of my approach.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I love it, well, Clint, I appreciate it. Everyone go
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: fallow along with the remainder of your season over at
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: truth from the stand. Appreciate it.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Appreciate it, buddy.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: All right, we have Christopher with mobile Hunter. How are
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: we doing pretty good?
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: How about yourself?
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: We're doing great. It's we're on the bottom of the
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: ninth year in November, and there's a lot of guys
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: that probably are a little nervous, a little anxious with
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: maybe how their season has gone up to this point.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Maybe they had an opportunity that didn't go together, or
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: maybe they're still chasing a ghost or what seems like
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: a ghost. How how has the activity been here in
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: the last seven days for you, whether it's from camera
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: scouting or anything else.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: It's been pretty good.
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: Cameras have been fairly good about seven days ago or so,
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: and in the last few they've kind of cut, you know,
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: trickled down a little bit. But I am seeing more
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: scraping happening now, so we're we're starting to trickle back
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: to that.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, that's it's the chaos is over and
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: now it's uh, you know, maybe just getting a little
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: bit more into maybe more controlled environment, maybe not, but
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: you know, I guess that's that's up for debate. But
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: as far as kind of looking here in the next
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: seven days, will you like you'll be hunting in Ohio?
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: And does when does your guys firearm season start?
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: Firearms season starts here in Ohio, Uh, not tomorrow, but
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: the next Monday, December one through seventh, and so I'll
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: actually be hunting here in Kentucky.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I still have my tag.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: There as well.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, so opening day in Ohio December first, what's your
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: tentative strategy right now, Like, do you have a tentative
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: game plan?
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: Opening Day is going to be kind of tricky because
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: they're calling for rain Monday and Tuesday and into Wednesday.
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: So opening day might be out if it's a wash,
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: but if it's if it's just going to be light,
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: I'm going to be sitting where I've got one headed
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: up out of a drainage back to bed on private,
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: so I'll be looking to cut him off with a gun,
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: of course, so I get to it's gonna be a
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: little easier to play that win.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's that's certainly one of the benefits of
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: having firearm season year. Yes, a lot more forgiving of
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: a situation and set up than you don't have to
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: be right on top of them. As far as looking,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: let's say for the back part of that that you know,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: a couple of days of that first season opening, a
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: couple of days obviously, as soon as those guns go off,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: it seems like things are constantly changing. There's a lot
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: of unknown pressure. I mean, there's just a lot of
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: chaos in the woods. With that being said, are you
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: just still trying to hunt traditional deer movement for the
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  Speaker 1: most part, or are you trying to factor in pressure
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  Speaker 1: that maybe hadn't been there, you know, this week for example.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean after opening day of GUN, I'm pretty
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  Speaker 6: much gonna be relying on heavy cover. I still think
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  Speaker 6: that there's plenty of good movement that we don't see
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  Speaker 6: from the bigger deer this upcoming week of Thanksgiving and
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  Speaker 6: then into Gun and so you know, I really think
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  Speaker 6: that you've got to be where they're gonna be though,
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  Speaker 6: like always right, and that's going to be in the thickest,
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  Speaker 6: nastiest stuff because they're going to be looking to get
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  Speaker 6: away from body.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's really good advice from the perspective
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  Speaker 1: of go where there's not pressure and good cover or
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  Speaker 1: less pressure and good cover is kind of what your
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  Speaker 1: strategy is. As far as for Kentucky for example, if
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  Speaker 1: you buzz down in Kentucky, we're on the We're I always,
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  Speaker 1: I always feel hesitant to categorize you know, the rut
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  Speaker 1: in general, but you can call it post r you
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  Speaker 1: call it the back end of the bell curve for sure.
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  Speaker 1: But going to Kentucky for example, what would be you know,
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  Speaker 1: top of mind for trying to get set up on
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  Speaker 1: a target deer with a lot of like it's this,
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  Speaker 1: We're in an awkward transition of the season, is how
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  Speaker 1: I look at it.
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  Speaker 6: It is very awkward, and it is very difficult in
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  Speaker 6: Kentucky because literally minutes ago, well I guess I shouldn't
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  Speaker 6: speak in time, but Kentucky rifle season has ended. So
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  Speaker 6: now we're looking at a bunch of highly pressured deer.
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  Speaker 6: But today I had a gorgeous mid forties ten point
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  Speaker 6: at two forty five pm cruising around in a hub
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  Speaker 6: like they're they're still doing it man. And so for me,
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to be set up fairly close to that
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  Speaker 6: hub scrape where I can get into cover because that's
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  Speaker 6: probably where he's gonna ultimately be, and I'll be playing
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  Speaker 6: the leeward side of a hill more than likely, where
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  Speaker 6: he can cruise within cover and do his thing without
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  Speaker 6: you know, worry of getting killed. Hopefully I can change that.
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  Speaker 6: And then of course, you know, looking for ladies.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and when you say hubs, just for people
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  Speaker 1: that maybe are super familiar with that with that terminology.
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  Speaker 1: When I picture a hub, I picture a hub like
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  Speaker 1: towards the bottom or sense pulling down into Is that okay?
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  Speaker 1: Is that kind of how that setup is.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and that's so not to go too nerdy
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  Speaker 6: on you, but that's only going to play out if
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  Speaker 6: I have a lighter wind. If we've got high wins,
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  Speaker 6: they will suck and blow into every part of that hub.
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  Speaker 6: Then you can imagine and you're just gonna blow everything
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  Speaker 6: out of it. So I'm looking for, like, you know,
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  Speaker 6: no higher than a seven or eight mile an hour
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  Speaker 6: wind during the day, and then I'm looking forward to
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  Speaker 6: drop off the table that last ninety minutes a lighter
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  Speaker 6: so that way they're playing the thermal game the whole
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  Speaker 6: way through.
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  Speaker 1: What's your you know, I feel like it's always that
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting because the October, you know, hunting mornings in
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: October hot hot button debate by many folks, and I
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: feel like we're probably creeping into maybe not quite yet,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: but we're getting closer to the debate of hunting in
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  Speaker 1: the mornings in December for example, or the very back
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  Speaker 1: part of November. Where do you stand on that?
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  Speaker 6: So with a gun, it's a no brainer to me,
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  Speaker 6: because you got to have time in the stand. If
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: you can cover ground, do it with a bow. I
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  Speaker 6: think it's very situational. But at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 6: Let's say you've got a you know, a west facing hillside,
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  Speaker 6: west facing.
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  Speaker 4: Hub something like that.
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  Speaker 6: You're you're talking about a completely different uh, you know,
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  Speaker 6: thermal game on that side of the mountain than you
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  Speaker 6: are on the eastern side where the sun's coming up,
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  Speaker 6: so the deer might favor that side. The other thing
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  Speaker 6: to take into account here is once you get a
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  Speaker 6: week or two past gun season. You know, while this
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  Speaker 6: is a very awkward time, there's a couple of really
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  Speaker 6: good things that are going on here. One, all the
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: babies are going to go home and they're gonna quit,
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  Speaker 6: so you're gonna have way less people in the woods after,
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  Speaker 6: you know, the next week or so two weeks, depending
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  Speaker 6: on what state I'm in Kentucky, I'll probably not see
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  Speaker 6: a human being unless it's muzzleloader season, right. So the
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  Speaker 6: other cool thing that's going to happen is we're going
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  Speaker 6: to have some of those late dropping reds, you know,
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  Speaker 6: throwing acorns, and you're gonna be talking about a southern
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  Speaker 6: aisle feed tree situation going on.
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  Speaker 1: Hmm, that's an awesome point. What about for someone that's
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  Speaker 1: struggling and maybe maybe there's season because a lot of
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the Midwest states. Their firearm seasons have
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  Speaker 1: already been in effect here, and you know, obviously the
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: deer have been pressured, and you don't want to be
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: pressuring deer as well. But do you want to get
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: permission people permission to go and do some scouting and
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  Speaker 1: try to find the spot where they need to be
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  Speaker 1: or are you.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, you have I shouldn't say you have to scout.
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  Speaker 6: You know, there's no blanket statement that really I could
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  Speaker 6: lay down for anything, But I just feel like scouting
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: is so important and going in there and finding whether
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  Speaker 6: it be feed sign or you know, right now we're
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: going to be headed back to food to bed and
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: you're going to find a lot of deer sign that
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  Speaker 6: won't be rut based, but it'll be super super important.
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  Speaker 6: And the best thing you could find, especially this time
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  Speaker 6: year with all the moisture on the ground, is a
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  Speaker 6: big track. You go cut a big track. That's enough.
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  Speaker 6: If you can glass or something from there.
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  Speaker 1: Do that.
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  Speaker 6: It's okay to play it a little safe, but don't
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: just stay out. In my opinion, just because I feel
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: like scouting is always going to be king and I'd
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: rather go out swinging and blow him out and let
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: him come back, because at the end of the day,
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: we know that if a buck is in a certain area,
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: he's there because it works, and he's probably there this
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: time of year every single year, and he's doing that
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  Speaker 6: because it works. So I'm gonna go in there one time.
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: I might hang cameras, I might not, but we're gonna
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: go in there, find the food, maybe try to cut
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: a big track, some big scat or something. And you know,
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  Speaker 6: if we're lucky enough to find a good scrape or
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: any kind of buck sign, great, But the best thing
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: you could do is cut a big track and then
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: you know, find him in a CRP fee standing beanfield,
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: cornfit whatever wherever the food is, or on a ridge
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  Speaker 6: and glass him up and you have everything you could
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  Speaker 6: ever want.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that, all right. So next seven days,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving week, we flip the calendar into December on a
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  Speaker 1: scale one to ten, ten being the best week of
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  Speaker 1: the year, one being one of the worst weeks of
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  Speaker 1: the year. What do you think the deer potential activity,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to say, will be from one to ten,
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  Speaker 1: ten being the best.
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: And we're talking about the week after Thanksgiving.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: We're talking November twenty fourth or fifth to or excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: the twenty sixth to December third.
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  Speaker 4: For big deer.
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: I'm going to go at least.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go in eight point five. Man, some of.
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: The biggest deer get killed, you know, right right in
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: the week of Thanksgiving, the first few days a gun
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: week here in Ohio.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm going to say in eight point five.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I like it. Well, good luck to you
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Christopher in Ohio and Kentucky, and hopefully conditions cooperate for
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: the Buckeye State. If people want to follow along with
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: what you have going on, where's the best place to
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: do that?
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: You can just check out the man, there's like a
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: million different platforms.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: We've got the Mobile Hunter podcast and the Mobile Hunters
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: x BO. Those are the two best places to follow
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: along with what we got going on. And as always, man,
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: I really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 4: Brother.
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  Speaker 1: All right, thank you so much, good luck, thank you
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: all right everyone there, you guys have it. I hope
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: you guys have an awesome Thanksgiving. Get to enjoy it
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: with family and friends. Maybe you get to go outside,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: do a little scouting, do some readjustments, maybe do some hunting.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: But I hope you have an awesome, awesome Thanksgiving and
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: a safe firearm season. If you're going to be listening
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: to this for the Ohio Opener, that is it. We
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: will see you next week and the calendar will be
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  Speaker 1: December zem