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Patriots Unfiltered 12/20: Previewing the Broncos, Roster Updates · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: Getting Ready for Christmas?
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  Speaker 1: at Christmas Day in swaddling clothes.
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  Speaker 4: That's what mother says. My mother tell the story.
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  Speaker 1: starter or a next in game like every other team.
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  Speaker 3: But it's when it's when you lose Joe Burrow that
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  Speaker 3: you separate.
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  Speaker 1: But can you can you let me finish?
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  Speaker 4: He had never identified a mic point in his life
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  Speaker 4: until he came to New England.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he knows much about. But anyway, go ahead, right,
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  Speaker 3: you're all out of your mind. I really do think
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  Speaker 3: you're out of your mind. Do you think he didn't
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  Speaker 3: know how to read a defense?
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, this playbook was as sophisticated as anything for anybody,
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  Speaker 4: for him, for anybody beside him.
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  Speaker 3: To give you a laundry Tory Holt said the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: I just think identifying the mic is overrated. Don't you
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  Speaker 1: think it's like, you know, is it a kind of
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  Speaker 1: a guess?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Mike, I just identified the mic.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's overrated.
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  Speaker 1: It's overrated.
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  Speaker 4: Why don't we go into a game and never identify
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  Speaker 4: the MICAE Let's see how it goes?
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  Speaker 7: Okay, but if you just identified something else, like the Paul.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there is no point.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well.
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  Speaker 1: About what I'm going to identify the Sam.
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  Speaker 3: The problem is when you when you point to Will
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  Speaker 3: and it's there is a say it's the mic, right
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  Speaker 3: now you have Sam. That's not how I'm gonna I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna identify the robber.
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  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, with the Star. You should because you might.
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  Speaker 7: You know, all of this is just day here.
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  Speaker 3: It's football one with this is this is the last thing.
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  Speaker 7: It's a preview of illustrator.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just that the mic is not actually the mic linebacker.
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  Speaker 4: We're all aware, correct, right.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, I thought it was just a guy named Mike
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  Speaker 7: on the defense.
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  Speaker 4: Right, No, no, no, Michael, when you it's a bit,
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  Speaker 4: it's a misconception that when he says, oh, fifty four
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  Speaker 4: is the mic, that that means that he's the mic
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  Speaker 4: linebacker in the defense. It's not.
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  Speaker 1: So why do they call it the mic?
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  Speaker 4: Just the terminology.
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  Speaker 3: It's the middle of yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And you know the Patriots they have playing.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the guy that we're going to key our blocking
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  Speaker 1: scheme on. It's not key.
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  Speaker 4: This is none of this is right, guys.
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  Speaker 3: Otherwise you could just point to like John Bentley every
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  Speaker 3: place it's the mic because he's the middle linebacker in
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  Speaker 3: the Patriots defense.
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  Speaker 7: Like the millennials like this guy's mid right, here's mid. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: I talk the language. Now, I'm hip.
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  Speaker 3: You are very you are very hip.
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome that filtered. It is Wednesday here at
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  Speaker 1: Gillette Stadium. I feel my mic is hot hot hot.
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  Speaker 3: Like I got to turn down by still you are
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  Speaker 3: coming out of the show spitting fire.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, sure could identified me.
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  Speaker 1: Denver just got under another day closer. We're thinking maybe
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  Speaker 1: snow in Denver for Sunday.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I hope so for you guys, that'll be beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: A member of the football stat I want to be
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  Speaker 3: able to get home. Tell me that they thought there
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  Speaker 3: was a chance was like snow showers during the game.
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  Speaker 1: I remember remember Buffalo when they would have snow showers,
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  Speaker 1: was like a blizzard.
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  Speaker 3: Snow showers in Buffalo. Man, you weren't getting home the next.
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  Speaker 4: Day, right, That's what I'm worried about it.
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  Speaker 7: Imagine Denver's pretty bad that too, right with the showers
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  Speaker 7: and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Well, like I know the day before the game is
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  Speaker 1: going to be like in the sixties. That's that's what
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  Speaker 1: happens in Denver. It is.
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  Speaker 3: That's not sexy, wild sexy at all.
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  Speaker 7: I had a friend who lived in Colorado, and it
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  Speaker 7: was always amazing to me how she talked about the
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  Speaker 7: climate there, because you think it's cold, but it really
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  Speaker 7: swings very warm, very cold, Like it's not what you
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  Speaker 7: would think being up there in the Rockies, Right, My.
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  Speaker 8: Sister lived there for a couple of months and she
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  Speaker 8: said it was kind of like New England.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, she come, does she brag about how warm it
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  Speaker 7: actually is. That's what I got a lot of them
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  Speaker 7: from my friend. She was always saying how great it
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  Speaker 7: is there, but a lot of bitterness whatever from my
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  Speaker 7: stupid Colorado.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I think if there's any Inland place
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  Speaker 1: I had to live, it would be like Denver would
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  Speaker 1: be one of them.
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  Speaker 7: Oh it's beautiful there. I've been there a couple of times.
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  Speaker 4: I've never been, so I'm never you're going to check
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  Speaker 4: one off.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to check one off.
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  Speaker 4: I am. I'm excited about that. That's about it cool.
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  Speaker 5: Inland.
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  Speaker 3: I think I live in Tennessee.
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  Speaker 1: Really Yeah, why country music?
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  Speaker 7: Taxes beautiful?
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  Speaker 3: You have a lot of wealth that you yet But
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  Speaker 3: she's taking ahead about the contest that she's gonna win.
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  Speaker 3: She's trying to figure out what's she going to do
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  Speaker 3: with all that to hide this money.
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  Speaker 4: That is the most alex answer I've ever heard, not like,
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  Speaker 4: oh it's beautiful there. The taxes wait, like you don't
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  Speaker 4: have to all the time. You can just think about it,
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  Speaker 4: not that practically, am I Yes?
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  Speaker 8: I like my money in my bank account count. I
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  Speaker 8: just think Tennessee is a beautiful city. I think it's
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  Speaker 8: really underrated Nashville.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah about the rest of skirts, she said tenn is
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  Speaker 1: not a city.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I thought she said beautiful skirts of Nashville for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a pretty state.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: We're talking Inland. I wouldn't want to live anywhere Inland.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right right, but if I had to, sure, Denver
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  Speaker 1: would be a place.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a place.
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  Speaker 4: This is the start of a three and eleven shows.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So David and he just saw Zappy.
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  Speaker 4: I did see him, Yeah, yeah, he was there.
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  Speaker 1: And what did he have to say?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think a lot of people right now,
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  Speaker 4: fans us, everybody is just wondering, you know, what are
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  Speaker 4: you playing for? Well, what's what's sort of your motivation
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  Speaker 4: at this point of the season with the record being
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  Speaker 4: what it is. And he just mentioned that he would
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  Speaker 4: like to put together four quarters of of good football.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that that's what we're all looking to
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  Speaker 4: see if can you do it? You know, he's played
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  Speaker 4: two good halves. Really, I mean I can. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know about the Chiefs half was it was good. It
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  Speaker 4: wasn't as good as Pittsburgh, but it was good. And
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  Speaker 4: he's been a good quarterback in both those halves, and
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  Speaker 4: in the second half he's a completely different person. It's
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  Speaker 4: it's completely.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody one of the players should say, well, what's your
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  Speaker 1: motivation for covering us? I say, well, it's our job.
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  Speaker 1: Saying it's my job.
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  Speaker 4: That's fair, you know, Yeah, I mean he just said,
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  Speaker 4: you know, they're they're playing for themselves at this point,
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  Speaker 4: which I get. But I think that in some areas
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  Speaker 4: of the team, some people are playing for themselves a
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  Speaker 4: little bit too much, if you catch my drift.
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  Speaker 1: But freelancing, I caught that drift.
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  Speaker 4: He said, what for ourselves? Like playing for pride? Thank you?
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  Speaker 4: That's what That's what he was insinuating. But when he
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  Speaker 4: when he said that, I thought of a few people
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  Speaker 4: that I thought might be playing for themselves themselves, you know.
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  Speaker 7: Care to elaborate at all?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe okay, maybe then they'll apologize tomorrow.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah I was wrong to call them out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Fred, I get your you know, the your job,
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  Speaker 3: you know that, that's why we're all doing this too.
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  Speaker 3: But don't you feel like we're doing it differently than
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  Speaker 3: we normally would at this time of year, like we're
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  Speaker 3: talking about different, that's right, And I think that's a
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  Speaker 3: fair question from the media to wonder have the play
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  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously the players have a job to do.
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  Speaker 3: They're gonna go out and play and play as hard
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  Speaker 3: as they can. But you just wonder, is the motivation different,
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  Speaker 3: you know, for Kyle Duger today at three and eleven,
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  Speaker 3: then it would be at eleven and three, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I think that's just like you brought
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  Speaker 3: up Kyle duggar.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, such as therefore here two four I do. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: I forget that. At least for us though, too. We
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  Speaker 7: kind of have this like growing energy about the off
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  Speaker 7: season that like, I mean, it's it's exciting, it's also
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  Speaker 7: a little bit daunting when you know, you feel like
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  Speaker 7: usually get to the end of the season and you're like,
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  Speaker 7: all right, I have a chance to catch my breath,
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  Speaker 7: and now it feels like it's all okay, this is
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  Speaker 7: actually the off season now, because the off season is
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  Speaker 7: gonna be the season this you know, spring, it's gonna
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  Speaker 7: be crazy, all those things that we're looking forward to.
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  Speaker 7: But you know, I think that's a little bit of
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  Speaker 7: energy that's carrying me through these last few weeks of
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  Speaker 7: just and I think anytime you get to see a
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  Speaker 7: guy like Kevin Harris get out there in the field
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  Speaker 7: and you know, run and running, have a big run,
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  Speaker 7: run tough.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Obviously I'll never had the experience of being
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  Speaker 1: a professional athlete, but I would think that in a
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  Speaker 1: situation like this, while you're not playing to get to
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs or anything like that, I'd look at it
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  Speaker 1: as an opportunity to say, how how can I just
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  Speaker 1: be the best player I can possibly be? And you
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  Speaker 1: sort of don't have that pressure of, you know, we
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  Speaker 1: have to win the game now, I just have to
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  Speaker 1: focus on I have to do the best I can
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  Speaker 1: do because everyone's watching me, you know. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I could find motivation in other words.
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  Speaker 7: And it's still like you're just you're playing a game
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  Speaker 7: in front of yeah, tens of thousands of I mean,
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it's got to be a little bit easy.
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  Speaker 7: That's so sure to block out.
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  Speaker 3: I'm serious. Like Christmas Eve. Did you watch any of
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  Speaker 3: the Christmas Eve game last year? Like I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Who was playing?
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I remember, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I was drinking eggnog and whiskey or something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, not this week, Like I just look at some
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  Speaker 3: of this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It's a holiday ask kick I mean Classics.
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  Speaker 3: One of the one of the best games of the
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  Speaker 3: year is going to be uh in primetime on Christmas Night.
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  Speaker 3: That that bums me out. Like you know, Buffalo, I
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  Speaker 3: mean Baltimore San Francisco. That's a good matchup, might beat
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  Speaker 3: the super Bowl. And I don't know to put it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean to put it on Christmas.
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  Speaker 1: Christmas, I got time, the kids have open all the packages.
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  Speaker 1: Now you can settle down.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't really have much interest in watching sports
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  Speaker 3: on at Christmas.
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  Speaker 4: Celtics Slackers at five, So yeah, like.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure to be on in the background, but I
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  Speaker 3: won't watch it like I would a normal game.
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  Speaker 7: Oh no, like just taking notes mentally.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm with my at all. I'm with my family.
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  Speaker 3: I'm enjoying family time. I'm not into a game Christmas
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  Speaker 3: Eve night, I mean Christmas Eve, especially because that's like
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  Speaker 3: happening at night Christmas Day. Fred's right, you know, everything's
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  Speaker 3: kind of done by eight o'clock. Maybe you could watch
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  Speaker 3: San Francisco in Baltimore. But I got a question, I
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't watch a Christmas eve time time.
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  Speaker 7: Get a little off the beaten path. We used to
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  Speaker 7: be in the spot though, if you're those two teams
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  Speaker 7: San Francisco Baltimore, you're coming into this game or are
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  Speaker 7: you putting everything into it? Are you thinking any bit
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  Speaker 7: of potential Super Bowl matchups? Are you?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 7: Are you are you feeling like we need to win
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  Speaker 7: this game? You know? What will be kind of I mean,
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  Speaker 7: I know the Patriots have had games like I mean,
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  Speaker 7: I'm not thinking of many off the top of my head,
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  Speaker 7: but I don't want to say potential super Bowl preview,
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  Speaker 7: but they had they need to get.
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  Speaker 3: The number one seed.
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  Speaker 4: Though, Yeah, I actually I think they'll they'll hide some things,
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  Speaker 4: Yeah for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're set some things up even.
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  Speaker 7: I mean is that you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, just especially like for those two teams, because their
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  Speaker 4: offenses are so unique for different reasons that you know,
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  Speaker 4: if you're the Ravens, like, are you really going to
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  Speaker 4: run Lamar Jackson a bunch in this game?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 4: But if you're in the super Bowl, You're going to
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  Speaker 4: run Lamar Jackson twenty times, you know. So I definitely
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  Speaker 4: think that those that game will not be anything, like
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  Speaker 4: if there is a Super Bowl between those two teams.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I think some of the Patriots Colts games,
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  Speaker 7: good question. You know, Patriots Colts games, not that they
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  Speaker 7: were all this late in the season, but you know,
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  Speaker 7: just how they were kind of different. I mean, at
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  Speaker 7: least you know three was what that was, you know,
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  Speaker 7: a little bit more low scoring, whereas the first one
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  Speaker 7: was really back and forth, and you know, in the thirties,
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  Speaker 7: so that.
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  Speaker 3: Was all about the venue. Yeah, like if they played
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  Speaker 3: in the playoffs in Indy, it would have been another shoot.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's good point.
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  Speaker 3: Now the Patriots might have won again. You know, the
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  Speaker 3: Patriots could beat you anyway back in those days, low scoring,
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  Speaker 3: high scoring, whatever you wanted.
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  Speaker 7: It's just now it feels like you get down to
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  Speaker 7: the NFL schedule and it's like these key games pop
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  Speaker 7: up and you're like, ooh, you know, two teams that
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  Speaker 7: you know could meet in the Super Bowl, could meet
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  Speaker 7: in the AFC Championship. You start to get those little
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  Speaker 7: nuggets at the end of the season, or it's like
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  Speaker 7: crappy division games where one team has nothing to play
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  Speaker 7: for and the other team is just getting ready.
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  Speaker 3: I like Evan's point about the unique nature of the
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  Speaker 3: two offenses though, because that's that's true. Like you, I
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  Speaker 3: think you can go all out to win and not
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  Speaker 3: necessarily call every play that you would in a desperate situation,
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  Speaker 3: or it's not necessarily holding something back. It's just kind
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  Speaker 3: of doing what's best for the team in the moment.
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  Speaker 3: And to Evan's point, is running Lamar Jackson fifteen twenty
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  Speaker 3: times best for you in week sixteen? Probably not.
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  Speaker 7: I just wonder how much of the potential next matchup
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  Speaker 7: is on their mind, just in terms of, Hey, how
• 13:05
  Speaker 7: are they going to react when we throw this at them?
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  Speaker 7: You know, those kind of just little tests that you're
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  Speaker 7: kind of maybe a little.
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  Speaker 3: Better trial balloons. I like it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they also there's a road that you have to
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  Speaker 1: go through to get there.
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  Speaker 7: And no, I know that's that's I mean, and I
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  Speaker 7: don't think you they'd ever share that with the players.
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  Speaker 7: That would probably just be hey, let's throw this package
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  Speaker 7: at them just to see how they kind of what
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  Speaker 7: they line up against it in.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's an interesting way trying to get outside,
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  Speaker 1: trying to get intelligence on the other team.
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  Speaker 4: I definitely what do they do?
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  Speaker 3: What do they do when.
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  Speaker 1: We do this? Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I know that that's always you know, and that's
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  Speaker 7: a kind of a bill thing of you know, is
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  Speaker 7: the game is establishing itself, and all right, we see
• 13:43
  Speaker 7: we're going to throw a bunch of personnel groups at
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  Speaker 7: them and see, you know how they play us? You know,
• 13:46
  Speaker 7: what do they you know, how do they treat our
• 13:47
  Speaker 7: tight ends and that kind of stuff. So I don't know,
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  Speaker 7: just some experimenting. I don't think it's anything that should
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  Speaker 7: reach the psyche of the team, but you know, for
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  Speaker 7: the coaching staff, maybe like, hey, let's let's try to
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  Speaker 7: get a little bit of intel out of this in
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  Speaker 7: case we need it down the road.
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  Speaker 4: See that's real, is a nose talk.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go of you.
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  Speaker 7: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was a good question. I hadn't really
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  Speaker 3: even just looked at it.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it's just well, Fred identified me as the
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  Speaker 7: mic and you came through.
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: We're gonna are we gonna read it? Linda?
• 14:13
  Speaker 9: Now?
• 14:14
  Speaker 7: Probably not, but we're hoping to run leak on that,
• 14:17
  Speaker 7: so you know, that'll be great.
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: I like Stick.
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: I can talk to every high school team in the
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: country like Stick.
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: Just I make fun of Brady for that. It's like
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: the old clip when he's talking it, Drew and like,
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: you know, what do you want to what do you like?
• 14:30
  Speaker 7: I like stick literally, which is not surprising, right, like
• 14:35
  Speaker 7: a young quarter.
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: White white head.
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: Should mention that David Andrews won the Good Guy Award
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: this year.
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: I did not know that and was not asked to vote.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: Explain what that is.
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: So it's the.
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: Media Good Guy Award, which is basically who represents and
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: fulfills their media obligations the best represents the team and
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: works with the media the best throughout the player, all
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: the players, and you know past winners, Uh, we've had
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: Jacoby Myers obviously, Devin mccordy, Matthew Slater, those types of guys.
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: Cam Newton actually won it the year he was here.
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: Judn won it last year, yep.
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: And uh, and Jacoby was a couple of years ago.
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: For ju Judna was two years ago. Jacoby was last year. Yeah,
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: Jacoby won it for his how he handled the Vegas
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: It was literally over at doubt, the voting was over
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: at that.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: That's a good pick though. Andrews is a good Yeah.
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought that it was. I voted for David
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: Andrews and I just feel like he coming out after
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: all these losses, unfortunately, and being the first one to
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: dress the fans the media post game. I think is
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: is a real stand up guy. Like he comes on
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: that podium basically still in uniform, like he's got his
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: obviously his shoulder pads are off, but his game pants
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: are still on half the time, and he's just comes
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: up there and answers questions about why, you know, same questions,
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: you know, why do you guys lose again? Why why
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: did this happen? Why did that happen? And has been
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: a real real stand up guy. I think it shows
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: a lot that he's the first one every single week
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: and not a head coach Andrews.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Are there any other offensive linemen that ever go to
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: the podium.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: Like in terms of the post game for the painos, No,
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: not really no.
• 16:28
  Speaker 10: No.
• 16:29
  Speaker 7: He also just wears his heart on his sleeve. And
• 16:32
  Speaker 7: you know, of all the players that like, maybe does
• 16:34
  Speaker 7: this matter to them, like it clearly matters to him
• 16:36
  Speaker 7: after every loan, his losses, you can just you can
• 16:39
  Speaker 7: just see it in his face, his body language, everything,
• 16:41
  Speaker 7: He's He's still taking these tough Yeah.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: I mean I understand that this is probably not that
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: important to fans, but there's been some really really difficult
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: losses for the team this year and some some losses
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: that are frankly were not great optics wise. And uh,
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: him beating Bill to the podium every single time always
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: sticks with me. It's like, you know, we're in Germany
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: and Mac throws a game losing interception, Zappy throws a
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: game losing interception, and it's not the head coach that
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: goes to the podium first missed a five game losing streak.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: It's the center and you know, a player. And I
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: think that that shows a lot of character on David Andrews.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Awards.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: No, no, no act. It's actually a really really nice
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: piece of crystal and it lights up and has his
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: face on it and says, yeah, it's actually a really
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: nice piece of piece of hardware. He's he's got And uh,
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: then there's a in the media worker room, there's like
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: a list of all of them on a plaque, and
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: so his name obviously will go go on the plaque.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: We talked.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Fella is a good guy. Oh yeah, Hobson was awesome,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: good dick fame, Yeah, all right, eight five five pats
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: five hundred is the a sticket Hotline web radio at
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: patries dot com some other news. Aaron Rodgers said, it's
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: doubtful and today's the deadline, so.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: He's being activated for some reason. But he oh he
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: is yeah, money, it just came out that he's being activated.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: But maybe money, Yeah, maybe, I don't know. But he's
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: not playing. He's definitely not playing.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: I kind of wanted that, so I wanted him to
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: play against the Patriots here.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: So he's not playing at all, correct, because I know
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: he has to be activated today in order to be
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: eligible to play. But I don't really understand why you
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: would activate him if he's not going to play. My
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: guess is that he's trying to leave the door open.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I know yesterday he said it he's not ready now yeah,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: so I guess.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: So according to Schefter, this just came out like twenty
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: five minutes ago from both guys, he's being activated and
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: he wants to be activated so he can continue practicing
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: with the team. But he's not.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: But he's not playing, okay, team right? Yeah. I mean
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of a lot of Aaron Rodgers criticisms
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: making their way around the Twitter machine today and yesterday,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: and listen, I'm no, big Aaron Rodgers guy, I've been fred.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: I think I was well ahead of the curve on
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: sort of you know, reading between the lines of his nonsense.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: I caught I caught onto his act I think before
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: most did. Let's put it that way. He's getting a
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: lot of criticism for like self destructing the Jets season,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: like and I don't really understand that, Like he's an
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: attention grabber like if no, but he kept himself in
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: the news all year, like only Aaron Rodgers can. I
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: think all the criticism of that is one hundred percent inaccurate.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Like he knew that he probably wasn't going to be
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: able to play. He likes to poke fun at modern medicine,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: like I know more than you you know, I can
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: do this. I can do that. As if it's not
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: like a set amount of time that it, you know,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: minimal to recover from something like this. I can do
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: it because I'm taking some you know, stem cells, right,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: you know, some nonsense that whatever isn't going to help
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: me come back. So all that criticism might get, but
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I just don't understand how he sabotaged the Jets season
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: by doing this. The Jets had all the ability in
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: the world to go out and sign a backup quarterback
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: and chose not to. They could have They could have
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: made a trade for case Keenum, who won a game
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: for Houston yesterday in a playoff race or Sunday, like
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: they could have made a move for Joe Flacco, who
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: was available to anybody who's won a couple of games.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: On their team last year.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: So this had nothing to do with Aaron rod unless
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: there's something I don't know about it. Aaron Rodgers behind
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: the scenes was saying, no, no, you do not do that, Like,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: I don't understand why that's Aaron Rodgers's fault. The rest
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: of it is all Aaron Rodgers's fault, like the fact
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: that he's on Pat McAfee every week trying you know,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: he's he's one of the top three storylines in the
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: NFL this year. Yeah, and he didn't play. He played
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: four plays, Like that's on Aaron Rodgers refreshment memory.
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: How did he end up with the Jets? What do
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: they did they have to trade trade for him?
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: Was that the move for the Patriots? Is that what
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: Bill should have done? Like I kind of feel like
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: in hindsight, that's that would have been it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Like it's like me on Tuesdays is dark and then to.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: But that conversation, though, I was, I was down.
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I mean just you know, connecting it all
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: and bringing it back. Bill really didn't like Mac and
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: clearly they didn't like Zappy either, because they cut him
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: if he didn't believe in him. I mean, your Bill,
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: and you're seventy one, and you've always kind of said
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: I like Aaron Rodgers, and I mean, this is well,
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: I think the quarterback maybe handle it.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: The Patriots were a hard no for Aaron.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: I think it came out the opposite here. I thought
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: it was the opposite.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: I thought he didn't want to. I thought he didn't
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: want to come here, but he did. He said, you
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: said the Patriots were a hard No, yeah.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: They were hard.
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: He for they were.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: No Ford misunderstood, I thought, because there was a report
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: out of New York that I think was sort of
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Craig Carteron and it was sort of I don't know
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: if it was debunked, but it was definitely blown off
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: that that the Patriots inquired and Rogers said.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: No, yeah, I don't know, I don't I don't.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Believe the Patriots ever inquired.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if I would have gone there
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: in Rogers route. Now, if like Lamar Jackson was technically available,
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: and it comes out after the fact that they didn't
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: want to move on that, that's a little different story.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: But besides the money, how much of the future did
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the Jets have to give up? How many assets?
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: It was a second round pick, right right?
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: I didn't want to say my second.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: And it was. It could have been a first but
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: obviously he didn't meet the playtime requirement.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: I just had doubts that he's just such a quack.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Like I just I didn't know if it would work
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: out even if he was healthy, like just because of
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: where his head is at now. And this whole thing
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: with the coming back from the Achilles was all just
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: to prove that he knows better than everybody else and
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: he's smarter that stuff. Yeah, And I just don't know
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: if that was he keeps selling it.
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: I agree with all that stuff, but I mean, if
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: we're really if I mean, if you're realistic, Bill really
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: wants to break the record, right, that feels like that
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: was the.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Move, that was the perfect move for him. I'm going
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: to coach two more years I'm gonna get the wins
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: I need with him, Yeah, and then I can walk away.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: I have no doubt that that had a potential to
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: like be electric here with the two of those guys together.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Does that still muddy the water when it comes to
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick? Oh, he had to bring in Aaron Rodgers.
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: Maybe, But I mean if if if getting the record
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: is what matters, then you know who really cares. I mean,
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: I just of everything you could you could say, there's
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: so many moves that have led us to the three
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: win season. But if there was one move that you
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: could maybe go back in time and change, I mean
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: that might have might have altered things. I don't know
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: how much. I mean, I still think they have flaws,
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: and I still don't you know, know if they have
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: the true kind of weapon that you need to kind
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: of compete in the you know, we see the best teams.
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: They just they have that right now. But I mean,
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: he's he's the best option. And I mean Bill always
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: has kind of a liking to players like him or
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: really good in a hall OFFI I don't.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Know if the Patriots would have been interested. My guess
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: is no, I don't know that, but I definitely don't
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: think Rogers would. I do believe that part of it,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: because if you just look at all the things the
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Jets did to cater to him, sure, just don't see
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: those things that have happened here.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think it is a fair point though,
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: as we move forward, of we're also focused on quarterbacks
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: in the draft and going that route and the free
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: agency classes, it's all a bunch of question marks. You know,
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins coming off in Achilles and stuff, like.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: His wife is holding out hope that he can play
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl, and.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: You know, like Baker Mayfield and like players like that.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: But it does make you wonder about the if Russell
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: Wilson trade and Aaron Rodgers trade, like if one of
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: these veteran quarterbacks, you know, I've I like Kyler, I don't.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: Some people don't. I take you know absolutely that that
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: path is intriguing if you're not giving up a ton
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: of draft capital and you're you're solving the quarterback position
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: that way, and then the first round pick goes to
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: a left tackle or goes to Marvin Harrison Junior or whatever.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: But obviously that that assumes that you're not trading the
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: second overall pick for the quarterback, which I don't I
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: think should be off the table totally.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: All right, eight five five paths five hundred is the
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: ace ticket hotline? Anything else before we turn it over
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: to the listeners?
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Oh no, I think we're I think we should go
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: to Tennessee first, Freddy, Yeah, Tennessee.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, Roberts and Tennessee. What's up, Robert? Is it as
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: good as Alex says? How the taxes?
• 25:42
  Speaker 11: It's it's lovely here, absolutely lovely. You're really missing out, listen.
• 25:50
  Speaker 11: I'm a huge fan of the show, so what's going
• 25:52
  Speaker 11: to happen in the next few minutes is not going
• 25:54
  Speaker 11: to be great. Uh, but just know I listened to
• 25:58
  Speaker 11: y'all every single episode I've been doing forever. I'm an
• 26:01
  Speaker 11: idiot down here walking through the hallways as a teacher,
• 26:05
  Speaker 11: But your stuff on. Basically, I'm a huge, patrious fan.
• 26:10
  Speaker 11: I know every I know the practice squad, I know
• 26:13
  Speaker 11: the freaking every penny of they spin. I know everything
• 26:15
  Speaker 11: about him. So with that being said, the balls on
• 26:19
  Speaker 11: you actually gun for Bill Belichick is just outrageous to me.
• 26:26
  Speaker 11: I understand where you're kind of coming from, but it's
• 26:30
  Speaker 11: it has zero loyalty to it whatsoever. You have covered
• 26:34
  Speaker 11: more Super Bowls because of him. I know there's other factors.
• 26:38
  Speaker 11: Don't tell me about Brady, but he's a huge factor
• 26:41
  Speaker 11: in it. You're traveling around on the best planes, you're
• 26:44
  Speaker 11: now one of the best organizations in the world, and
• 26:48
  Speaker 11: you just want to throw Bill Belichick out. I get it.
• 26:50
  Speaker 12: Oh, oh, he hadn't done a great child in the track.
• 26:52
  Speaker 11: He's not like San Francisco. If we did with Trey
• 26:55
  Speaker 11: Lance at San Francisco, y'all would be just destroying him.
• 27:00
  Speaker 11: But he messed up on Nick bil Harry like this
• 27:02
  Speaker 11: basically a second round pick, and now he's the biggest
• 27:05
  Speaker 11: idiot in the world. I understand that is payback time
• 27:09
  Speaker 11: in a lot of ways, Like, hey, he's kind of
• 27:11
  Speaker 11: mean to us. He doesn't give us any information, he's
• 27:14
  Speaker 11: not nice, he probably hates y'all. You stab him in
• 27:17
  Speaker 11: the back constantly. Why would he give you any information.
• 27:20
  Speaker 11: He's not gonna give you the game plan every single week.
• 27:24
  Speaker 11: You basically want that, Like, how come we don't talk
• 27:25
  Speaker 11: to us more? How can we just run out to
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: the podium.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Who says that the quarterback headed back?
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Who says that?
• 27:30
  Speaker 11: How can he doesn't come out instantly.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: I tell you, people on this show say that this.
• 27:35
  Speaker 11: Podcast just furious. My wife walks by. He says, Hey,
• 27:39
  Speaker 11: why what are they doing? Why they talking about Bill Beilichick.
• 27:41
  Speaker 11: I said, because there's so much smarter than Bill's. They're
• 27:44
  Speaker 11: like genius. They brought some podcast. Matter of fact, here's
• 27:47
  Speaker 11: another thing. You have like five people on this like
• 27:50
  Speaker 11: podcast around this video. How many other teams have that
• 27:54
  Speaker 11: You have that because it's been a success. But as
• 27:57
  Speaker 11: soon as he starts to struggle, all of a sudden,
• 27:59
  Speaker 11: been just to this year has been four years in
• 28:01
  Speaker 11: the making. So what give him a few more years?
• 28:06
  Speaker 11: This next year up?
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, then you'll then you'll be willing to stab him
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: in the back. Okay, I got it. When you decided
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: it's time to stab him in the back, then it's okay,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: got you. I'm loyal, Oh until next until next year,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: until next year. You'll be loyal until next year. Then
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: you'll throw him out with the trash.
• 28:27
  Speaker 11: Because pretty much you can. You've here's your phrase. You Hey,
• 28:30
  Speaker 11: your opinion is valid. It's wrong, but it's valid.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Or you that's not my phrase. Everybody has. Everybody's entitled
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: to their opinion. That's I've never told you you're you're wrong.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: I didn't say anything you just said was wrong with
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: the exception of our podcast that started before Bill Belichick
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: was here, and you're giving him credit for a podcast
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: that Fred started. So that's wrong. Everything else's opinion doesn't
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: if we had four people on the podcast at the time,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Fred Kersh, Brian Moury, Paul Perillo, and Shane Donaldson Robert
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: for Bill Belichick.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: This is Robert. I understand everything you're saying, but a
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that you're saying has nothing to
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: do with Bill Belichick.
• 29:06
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: I don't care that he doesn't talk to the media.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: I don't care that he's mean to people. I don't
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: care about anything but winning games.
• 29:12
  Speaker 11: You're not gonna give him any the success for this.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: I give him plenty of success. I think he's the
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: best coach I've ever seen. You like you're arguing with
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: like yourself. Yeah, I think he's the best coach I've
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: ever seen. We'll get rid of him because he hasn't
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: won in.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Four years, because it's time.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: It's time. He's seventy two.
• 29:30
  Speaker 11: Hey, he went to the playoffs one of those years.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he didn't win.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: That's smoked.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: They lost by thirty points.
• 29:37
  Speaker 11: Oh, I forgot. You gotta win, every coach.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: No, you have to win something.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Robert, Robert, we have a vested interest in the team.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: There's something like twelve games under five hundred since in
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: that four game span, that four year span.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Robert, we have a vested interest in the team. Our
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: lives are much better when the team wins. Absolutely, if
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: it was if it was best to keep him, because
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: it's just a matter of a year and we'll get
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: right back. Why would we want to get rid of them?
• 30:05
  Speaker 11: You don't think you could do it.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I don't. I think it's it goes way beyond, you know,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: just his coaching at this point. It's it's you know,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: it's relating to the younger players. It's the draft, yes,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: but it's it's a lot of other things. And I
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: just think it's run its course. I think all good
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: things must come to an end. And even you said,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: if it didn't happen next year, you'd be ready to
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: move on. So everybody's got their limit, everybody's got their time.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Yours is just one year later than mine.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: And you're not alone, Robert. There are a lot of
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: people that call us that's that say stuff very similar
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: to what you just said. I and I do not
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: tell them they're wrong. To the contrary, anyone everybody has
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: their own opinion.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Anyone who says we should keep Bill Belichick. I respect
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: that absolutely. I respect that.
• 30:50
  Speaker 11: You know, it's it's like a small percentage of it. It's
• 30:53
  Speaker 11: just like, yes, eight guys.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: No, it is.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: I think it's bigger than you think. It's probably like
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: maybe seventy third. I think you just, you know, something
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: You're just hearing for the people that have been waiting.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Because the negativity is louder. There's no doubt about it.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: But I think there's plenty of people that want to
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: keep them, plenty plenty.
• 31:10
  Speaker 11: It does. It ruins my day every time they lose,
• 31:15
  Speaker 11: and I just.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: It's had a lot of bad days in four years.
• 31:19
  Speaker 11: It's been bad. It's bad.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: But look thirty seven of them.
• 31:24
  Speaker 11: I just have I have some loyal to do it.
• 31:26
  Speaker 11: I'm just very grateful for where we've been. I wasn't
• 31:29
  Speaker 11: really itching to get rid of Tom Brady. I'm just
• 31:33
  Speaker 11: maybe I'm just too loyal.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, listen, nobody nobody likes Tom Brady more than
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I do, but even that's an admirable I realized that
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: he wanted to go. They weren't bought in with him
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: long term, and it was it was best for both
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: parties to move on now. Ultimately, sure, you know, it's
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: proven that he could have had a few more years
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: here at a high level, But were they going to
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: do what was needed to be done to make those
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: fruitful years?
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Don't think so, Robert. Nothing wrong with being too loyal either.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: That's an admirable trait. I'm not. I'm not being patronizing
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: at all. I disagree with you, but there's nothing wrong
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: with being too loyal. I appreciate that, Paul, Seriously.
• 32:14
  Speaker 11: Anybody, if anybody look, I listened y'all constantly, so like
• 32:19
  Speaker 11: this is like I want to be in the round
• 32:21
  Speaker 11: table argue with these things. But I'm at the house,
• 32:24
  Speaker 11: just listening to a podcast, and I would fight for y'all.
• 32:28
  Speaker 11: If someone sits fire Fred, he's too old, mistake.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Believe me, that's coming. That's coming.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Fred and I are waiting for that day.
• 32:37
  Speaker 11: He started the first ever podcast.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: But so what if I'm losing my fastball, I'm losing
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: my fastball, or if I ever had.
• 32:45
  Speaker 11: When it comes.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're still painting the corner still, Fred, you
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: can get by Frank Tana.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: That was the nicest thing, Robert, thank you for calling.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: It was really nice.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: It's a good call.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: It's a good call. Love, I love me.
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: Some friend's we got from the Great State of Tennis. Yeah,
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: we got d a call because someone call on and
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: I think it was a pregame show with someone who
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: you know, just very firmly and we just, you know,
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: let write it with Bill.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: And Brian Maury who used to be on this show
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: is the original member of the podcast. He can't can't
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: fathom the fact that we're that we don't have a decision.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: We can't He can't fathom that anyone is considering moving
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: on from Bill Belichick.
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: I mean, I said it last week that I worry
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: that we look back and regret this where everyone is
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: writing him out of town and we allowed whether it's
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: a minority or a majority that wants him gone, they're
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: the loudest.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Always a possibility.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: But really doesn't that say what it's less moving on
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: from him, then what are you going to do next?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: It really also tells you that whatever your move was
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: after that didn't work right, you know, both can happen.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: You can move on and have success, and the Patriots
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: could have success.
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: And like you said with Brady, where it was kind
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: of a mutually, maybe it was more beneficial for Tom,
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: but it was kind of mutually.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: Just like what you do, that could be the case here.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I was hoping for Brady, is
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: that he would do well and the Patriots would do well.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: You know, it just didn't work out that way. But
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: you know this, listen, I get what Robert's saying.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: I just the only parts that I because I can't
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: let things go, you know me. Uh, you know one,
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: no one on this panel has ever complained about Bill's
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: answers at press conferences. Not once.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: I make fun of them. So there's a difference in
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: making fun of it and saying he needs to get
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: fired because of it.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Some people, like he said on the call, that this
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: has come up it's for built because of how he's
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: treated the media. And now we're we we see blood
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: in the water and now we're circling. And I can't
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: speak for other people. I can only speak for myself.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: And you know what I hear from you guys, and
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: no one on this show ever sits here and says
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: that like is doing this out of spite because of
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: how he handled himself with the media. And I'd also
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: just say, you know, there's a loyalty is great, but
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: there's also such thing as blind loyalty, and like it's
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: our job to look at it objectively and not just
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: be blindly loyal to somebody.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: And the other thing that he said that you know,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: you know this, we wouldn't have this podcast. We wouldn't
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: have so many people if it was up to Bill.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: We know, we wouldn't. We wouldn't exist.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying to the contract.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I give the Crafts credit for this. I mean, they're
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the ones that write the checks and give the green
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: light to the ideas that we have over the years.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: You know, Bill, we're an unnecessary evil in his eyes.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: A big part of this, get it, A big part
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: of this to me is just and it's very similar
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: to Brady. I there's a finite amount of time left,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Like you cannot do these things forever. Tom Brady defied
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: logic and defied time for a lot of years, but
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: at some point it was going to end. Even for
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: him and at forty five, you know, they let him
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: go when he was what forty two? Yeah, he won
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: another super Bowl, and there was a period of time
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: there where that was probably looked at as embarrassing for
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: the Patriots. I never looked at it that way. I
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: kind of looked at it like, Fred, did you know
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: we let him go. He didn't want to be here.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: We probably didn't want him him anymore. But I didn't
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: wish any ill will on him. I wanted him to succeed.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: He did whatever. I knew he wasn't gonna be quarterbacking
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: for much longer, just like I know that no matter
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: what happens with Bill, he ain't coaching for another ten years.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's kind of well, And that's kind of why, like,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: especially if the Patriots bring on a new top quarterback,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: you know, in the draft, I kind of want the
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: coach to be guaranted.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: You know, I know there's no guarantees in.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Life, but hopefully the coach will be here a long
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: time with that quarterback and you have that continuity, which
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I think was such a big part of the dynasty,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: having that continuity.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: He'll draft Caleb Williams and Bill Belichick's coach. Let's just
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: say for frogments sake, he's a great coach for Caleb
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Williams for two years. Then you need to find another
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: coach and do you stunt Caleb Williams's development at that point?
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Much like we talked about with Mac Jones with when
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: when McDaniels left, Like, there's a lot of things that
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: make it tricky.
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: But if it was still the Patriots, like of twenty
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: I don't even I don't know if the zacher to
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: say twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, but like are
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: just like they don't have the talent, but they're just
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: they're really tough to play against. They're well coached, they
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: always come out and man, they're tough to put away.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: You know, those kind of things.
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: Like if you were seeing that, I would have a
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: little bit of more of that. It's just hard because
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: they're We've been watching this and I feel like for
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: me to sit here and say, I don't know, it's
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: fine would just be disingenuous because I've watched all the
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: training camp practices, all the games, everything, you know, maybe
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: not twice, like I do.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Think people some people that listen to us, that's what
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: they're expecting because I'm listening to Patriots Dockham because I
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: don't want the ninety eight five, the Sports Hub and
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: the WEEI sort of you know, snickering and negativity. I
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: want to listen to the team because I know they
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: but we can't do that. And the reason that we
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: can't do that, Fred will tell you is because Robert
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: and Jonathan Kraft demand that you don't do that mandate.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: It is a mandate. Well, and before I ever went
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: on a show, he told Fred to talk to us
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: about when you go on these shows. It's great for
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: the brand, it's great for us to get the publicity,
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: and it's great for you. But if you don't tell
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: them what you see and what you feel, they're never
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: going to have your back. You lose all your credibility. Yeah.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. James Pettigrew, the most interesting Patriots fan in the world,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: says not sure if you'll know this, Fred, But does
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: lose a losing Patriots team impact the profitability of the team?
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Does this play into the craft mindset on Bill? Do
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: you make more money as a franchise if you're in
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: the playoffs regularly? Do the radio deals pay better when
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: you're winning, et cetera. When renegotiations happen with sponsors, does
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: recent performance factor.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Into the bids?
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Absolutely? Yeah, absolutely, It's like the stock market. You know,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: a sponsor invests in you hoping you do well so
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: that more people are watching, more people are listening, and
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: it's better for your brand. You want to be associated
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: with a winner, you know. So yeah, you know it
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: check goes down to anything. So in that way, you
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: give Bill Belichick a lot of credit because he was
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: coaching a team that made the you know, the franchise
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: that much more profitable. But these last four years, you
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: look in the secondary market, you can buy a ticket
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: for forty dollars. That ain't good. Yeah, that's not good.
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: I mean and how many you know Mac Jones jerseys
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: are they selling now? And you know they got bumped
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: off of Monday Night Football.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Like these are.
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: You know, it works both ways. I mean these are
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: guys too. I mean, this is like the pinnacle of
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: competition right now. These owners are all billionaires and they're
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: all competitive, and you know, even things that probably don't
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: even cross our radar are seen to them as like, well,
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: we're not doing quite as you know, we could be
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: better at this like they I feel like are as
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: competitive as everybody. I mean, you just see how much
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: they all pour into it.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And you know, as an NFL owner, you
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: have to be really stupid to lose money, you know,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: even if you're not selling out your stadium, you know,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: because you know a certain percentage of your revenue comes
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: from ticket sales, but most of it is TV revenue,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: you know, the broadcast arrangement. So you roll out of
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: bed being profitable. However, you know, everything's pooled. And those
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: owners that don't pull their weight when it comes to
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: tickets and other you know, revenue besides the TV, they're
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: looked down upon. They don't have as much clout when
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: they get in the room. They're not contributing as much
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: to the common pool, so they don't get listened to
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: as much. The owners that do, you know, that are
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: getting the top level for tickets in their market, that
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: are bringing in the extra revenue that gets shared, you know,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: among all the teams that their jersey's just selling them more,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: they have more clout because they're making everybody richer.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, yeah, I just wonder all of this,
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: whether it's bill next year, it's a different regime. At
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: what point, you know, does the losing cause them to
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: change the way that they do things on multiple levels?
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't think it's just really about some
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: of the nitty green stuff that we talk about on
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: the show, you know, the draft and all that kind
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: of stuff. I think that there needs to be a
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: different approach in general to how they build the roster.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Because I'm not one of those people that say that
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Brady made it all, you know, all the warts look,
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: you know, go away or whatever, like they had great
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: rosters for many years here with the Patriots. But I
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: think that the landscape of how you build a team
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: in the modern NFL, because the money coming in is
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: so ridiculous from the TV deals and the cap is
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: just exorbitant.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: Macro said to us last summer, like there isn't really
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: there really isn't a salary cap, Like the salary cap
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: is like a guideline. Well yeah, and so basically he
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: said that you could do whatever you want and that
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: the cap is not going to it's so high and
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: there's so much money to spend that the cap is
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: really not going to inhibit you from doing anything. And
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of teams have started to really
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: take that approach, and they are the better teams than
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: the league right now. You know that the Niners are
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: the best team in the league, and they trade for
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: Chase Young at the trade deadline, and you're thinking to yourself, like,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: how can they do this? Like how can they get
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: because the cap is manipulated?
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: You know, Yeah, I just one thing too to say
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: to that last call too, is I get it. I mean,
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: Bill Belichick leaving this place will be seismic whenever it happens.
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: And you know, as somebody who remembers the Patriots, before
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: Bill Parcells got here, nobody cared. You know, there was
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: nothing really to make you care about that football team. Now,
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: not to say that there aren't players now that you
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: know people don't care about, but you know, Bill is
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: the last big piece of that dynasty. When the Patriots play,
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: it's Bill Belichick. When they've got to put graphics up
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: right now, it's Bill Belichick. That's you know, it was
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: Brady and Belichick. Brady left and we saw how hard
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: that was. And now when Bill leaves, that part of
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: the identity has gone too. And you're you're kind of
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: I don't want to say nothing, but like, you're gonna
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: have to re establish who this franchise is after him.
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: What you know, who's going to be the marquee players.
• 42:53
  Speaker 7: All of that is just kind of thrown to the wind,
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: and it's it's distressing, it's it's comforting. There's still a
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: part of me that's just like, God, it would just
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: be some which easier to just have Bill back, and
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: we know what the deal is and we know how
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: he does things, and you know, it's hard to make
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: these these big decisions to blow it up. And as
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: we talk about, there's a GMS, there's coaches, there's a quarterback,
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: there's free agency, there's all kinds.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's so.
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: Much on the plate for what's going to happen this offseason.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: I think sometimes, you know, my best argument now, I
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: think for keeping Bill is just there are times at
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: press conferences when he does open up about football stuff
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: where you're just like, holy crap, this guy knows more
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: about football than anybody on planet Earth. Like there's not
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: a single person walking planet Earth right now, probably dead
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: or alive, honestly, that knows more about football than Bill Belichick.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: And so no matter what, whether you agree with his
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: philosophies in the modern NFL or not. The next guy
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: is going to know less about football than the current
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: guy that has the job.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: And that's it. I don't think there's much doubt about that. Yeah,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: I liked Alex's point too, but like we might look
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: back with regret. I mean, I think there's a risk
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: in that. You know, Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson couldn't
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: get along, right, they built this unbelievable juggernaut and they
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: couldn't figure out a way to coexist, and they ended
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: up moving on from the coach. Obviously, they've been chasing
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: their tail ever since that was in the early nineties,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: the mid nineties. Yeah, so there's there is definitely risk
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: to it.
• 44:18
  Speaker 8: But and if people are unhappy with kind of the
• 44:20
  Speaker 8: state of things, now, okay, that's just a quarterback Like, yeah,
• 44:24
  Speaker 8: we're rebuilding, but that's just like a quarterback development thing.
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: Now we're also bringing in a new head coach, We're
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: developing another quarterback. Assuming we don't go out and get
• 44:33
  Speaker 8: a big one free agency. And then also the GM debacle, Like, yeah,
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: what order does any of this stuff even?
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Fall? Season ends January seventh for the Patriots, The off
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: season starts immediately. It starts on January eighth. Basically, in
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: my eyes, they've got three weeks to get their jump
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: stacks together so that they're ready to go for all.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: These I would like to hope that this is already
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: going on.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: I know, but I'm talking about the people in places
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: what happens.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: But you know, we got the Senior Bowl, the Shrine Bowl,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: the combines, the player visits and all that stuff has
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: to start happening, like immediately, who's going, who's doing what?
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: There's no time. GM is really under you've been talking
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: about this off air. I think it's a really underreported I.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Was talking to these guys like something that just occurred
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: to me on the drive in today because you know,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I have a long drive and I get to think
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: now that he listens to you know, they were talking about,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: you know, Mayo obviously as a leading candidate for the
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: head coach. Why not Mayo as the GM. I mean,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: he's everybody says that he's got these leadership qualities, right,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: his coaching qualities we haven't really seen, Like he doesn't
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: even have a really a title. You know, he's been
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: a linebackers coach. I guess but like the main his
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: superpower supposedly is his communication skills and his leadership. Right,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: he knows this organization because he grew up here.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: Can you evaluate talent?
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Well, no, but he can have people that do it
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: for him.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Well, he might be able to, don't.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that as like he oversees.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: It and by doing that you get the collaborative process
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: that you want. But you make sure as GM that
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: you have smart people doing that stuff for you. You know,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: there's more to being a GM than just drafting guys
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: and deciding who you're going to sign for Well, I
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: think it's the whole operations of football that you have
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: to consider.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: I think that's why a lot of teams have like
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: a John Elway John Lynch type that is overseeing all
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: of football operations from the bird's eye view and they
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: have their their you know self proclaim their nerd to
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: then go out and like scout guys right like that.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: You know, I think that that's how a lot of
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: teams now do it. And uh, you know, some of
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: the candidates that we're going to talk about are are
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: the nerds? Are the guys that are under John Lynch?
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: In San Francisco with Adam Peters or Mike Borgazzi, who
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: I think grew up in every call.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Uncle.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: He's from Kansas City, you know, under Brett Veach with
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: the Chiefs, you know, like that these are guys that
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: if it does happen, like these are the candidates that
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: we're going to be talking about.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I don't know. I don't think it's a
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: crazy idea that whatever the title is, general manager or
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: president of operations or whatever, and Geron Mayo might be
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: a good fit for that, you know.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: Personally, I think it's kind of the best a long shot.
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: Can I just I'm sorry to bring it back. This
• 47:30
  Speaker 7: is just one thing I'm wondering about with Alex's regret thing,
• 47:32
  Speaker 7: Like do you think you're only going to regret it
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: if Bill goes to another team and has success? Or
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: do you think I mean, I just don't want to think, like, like,
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: guess what another three win season, win season is on
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: the table if there's a new head coach next year,
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: and that's not necessarily going to make me regret firing
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: Bill Belichick, you know. So, I just I don't know
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: where the regret comes from.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: My regret is only in that I wis you know,
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: if you want me to be like the Hollywood ending,
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: is that I wish that he could have said I've
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: had a great run, I'm done, and Robert said, yes,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: you've had a great run, and we're sorry that you're done.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: But here we go, you know what I mean, that's
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: the only regret.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: They go to the Soup Bowl, he breaks through his
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: record and he goes out. You know, no, that's a
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Hollywood ending for him, not for us, for us too.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Oh if he did it here?
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Well yeah.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, is that if we were in
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: this situation, like I agree with Mike, I understand that
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of work to do and it's probably
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: not going to all get fixed next year. So I'm fully, uh,
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: you know, understanding the possibility of another losing record next season.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: That won't fill me with regret. What I regret is
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: that they couldn't sort of amically amicably end it and
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: move on.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: I just wonder. I think the bigger thing for me
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: is just it looks like there's a ton to be fixed.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: But if they draft Caleb Williams and he's just Patrick
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Mahomes like does it is it all going to be
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: fixed like that?
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Like I really know, I really it won't be. I mean,
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: see Patrick could be a playoffs. I don't think you'd be.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: A it was so spoiled. Like Brady's first season as
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: a starter, they won a super Bowl that's very rare,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: but even more like it's more like Peyton Manning where
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: he has his struggles the Friebe year.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, in Max's first year they won ten games
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: and made the playoffs. And that was with mac Jones.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: But imagine if the guy.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Right. But that was kind of an illusion, wasn't it.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: But my point being is that there's a very real possibility,
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: with seventy five million dollars in cap space, the third
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: pick or the second pick in every single round of
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: the draft, and you if you if you first pick
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: on the table, if you get the right picks and
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: you make the right picks in the draft, and you
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: get you know a little jump from free agency like
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: you did in twenty twenty one, I don't see why
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: this team can't be wins.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Was a chance, but to me, it's unlikely it's going
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: to be, you know, supposedly a new head coach, maybe
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: new assistants. There's going to be a learning curve for everybody,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: so I wanted to get back.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: New assistants might be assistant by addition, by subtraction.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: But I just think there's going to be said assistance.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: I just think. I just think if you, even if
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: you draft the next Hall of Fame quarterback, a first
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: season like Peyton Manning is more likely than a first
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: playing season with Tom Brady.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I agree, it's it's hard to do it, but
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: I mean C J. Stroud has got you in contention
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: right now. Now. I would also say that Houston is
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: like four years into this rebuild, you know, so I
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: don't think they're a great team. I think the quarterback
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: is responsible for the I.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Mean, we should be four years into the rebuild, but
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: our rebuild has fallen apart.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: It's kind of started over because I think we went
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: for the quick fix.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the wheels came off our rebuild, let's face it, right, Yeah, it's.
• 50:53
  Speaker 8: A hard city to do a rebuilding, and that's play
• 50:57
  Speaker 8: at that plays into it.
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: And that's the whole point of my thing of again
• 51:00
  Speaker 7: to your point, Fred, like, yeah, I mean, I just
• 51:01
  Speaker 7: I think the range of what could happen next year
• 51:04
  Speaker 7: is from one win to ten wins, you know, like that,
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: it's anything's really possible. No idea what this team is
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: going to look like.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: But I'm I'm I'll be ready for another losing season
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: as long as you see the hope, you see the
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: quarter this this guy can play. You know, they've got
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: money to spend. They're doing it right, They're they're you know,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: they're buttoning up their operations. I'm okay with waiting, you know,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: as long as I see the trajectory's going in the
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: right direction.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: I just know that if he, if Bill still wants
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: to be the coach here next year, he's they always
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: have that end of year meeting with with mister Kraft
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: where he says, stay to the union with Bill. Bill's
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: gonna have some sort of pitch or plan that he
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: probably already pretty much knows. And you know, we've talked
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: about this before, and I he's gonna throw the quarterbacks
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: under the bus, like he's gonna say that if we
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: had a court, we had Paul what was it, seven
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: one score losses, We had our best defensive player on
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: injured reserve for the majority of the season, and we
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: have quarterbacks that can't play. So if you if we
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: get the quarterback fixed and we get Jude On back
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: and we get Christian Gonzales back.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: We spend some money, you know, ten wins here we
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: are you can make that. You can make the case too,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: you can you can make the case. And that's what
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: and then Robert are better or worse, and then Robert
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: has Bill Belichick back.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd need to see what the schedule looks like
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: in the state of the other teams before I would
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: say that. But well, yeah, yeah, all right, good GM thing.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: And I know we you know, I know Fred's foods here.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: But the GM thing I want to get to after
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: the break because I'm curious how many guys you think
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: the way you describe the GM is sort of the
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: overseer of everything, Like how many teams are known for
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: their GM, Like how many teams? Like it's clear the
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: GM is the guy now that runs it now, Like
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: to me, even teams that don't have the head coach
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: is the GM. The head coach is still kind of
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: the CEO of the organization and they kind of have
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: final say on the roster and all that stuff. I
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: just wonder how many teams have that, and I think
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: John Lynch, as you mentioned, is kind of that overlord
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: that that's a good exactly what how many.
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: Teams are like?
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: The one that I can that comes to mind immediately
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: is how he.
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: I was going to say, but it's like retroactive.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: It's like once they put a good time together, it
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: comes second. It's never like, oh, this guy's a great.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: You're gonna get how he was gonna get. He's gonna
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: build us from the you know, the studs on up.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: I just I don't think Nick Sirian has got anything
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: to do with this success.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, I don't. I don't disagree, but I agree
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: with Mike's point was like kind of after the fact.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: It's like.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: He does.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: In the past, it was, you know, Bill Pollian Poland
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: would be one of them, and Butler from the Bills.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: You know, he got credit for building that team. And
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: you know, I think maybe in the past maybe GM's
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: got more credit than they do now because they're just
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: not out front.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: But Poleon built those Bills teams too, right.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Well, but no, but Butler, Butler, the Butler, look him up,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: the Butler, the GM butler.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: Jerry Wide receiver on a Clemson Good play them, Butler, you.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Know, but every team needs somebody running all aspects of it.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: And to do what Bill did is really hard, you know.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: But so all right, well, Paul's getty, We'll be right back.
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• 55:01
  Speaker 6: What's up everybody? Bill Belichick spoke with the media this morning.
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: Let's listen to what he had to say.
• 55:07
  Speaker 15: All right, So, looking at the Broncos here, well balanced
• 55:11
  Speaker 15: team obviously, Uh you see Shawn's you know, mark on
• 55:17
  Speaker 15: the team. You know, Sean A ton of respect for him,
• 55:20
  Speaker 15: what he's done through his career, and it's the way
• 55:23
  Speaker 15: he coaches, the way prepares, and it's the football coach
• 55:26
  Speaker 15: that he is. You know, I think I think Sean
• 55:28
  Speaker 15: does a great job. But it's a well balanced team,
• 55:34
  Speaker 15: very explicive in the kicking game, you knows is having
• 55:37
  Speaker 15: a great year both punt and kickoff returns. H really,
• 55:42
  Speaker 15: you know, create a lot of field position there. And
• 55:45
  Speaker 15: you know, offensively cut you know, good receivers, good running back,
• 55:49
  Speaker 15: really good quarterback. You know Wilson's uh, you know, definitely
• 55:53
  Speaker 15: a problem running throwing extended plays similar to what we
• 55:58
  Speaker 15: talked about last week with Mahomes, but.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: You know, runs more.
• 56:03
  Speaker 15: I mean it runs more than most any quarterback in
• 56:05
  Speaker 15: the league maybe other than Jackson. And then defensively, you know,
• 56:11
  Speaker 15: they've really, you know, kind of hit their stride here
• 56:13
  Speaker 15: the last few weeks, turned the ball over a lot,
• 56:16
  Speaker 15: pretty pretty well balanced team, you know, Allen Josie Singleton,
• 56:21
  Speaker 15: really productive at linebacker. Obviously, Simmons and certain you know,
• 56:24
  Speaker 15: two of the better DB's in the league. So you know,
• 56:29
  Speaker 15: they've really could see their improvement over the course of
• 56:32
  Speaker 15: the year. And turners have been a big thing. They've
• 56:34
  Speaker 15: done a good job of turning the ball over and
• 56:37
  Speaker 15: playing good third now defense, and they've been really good
• 56:40
  Speaker 15: in a return game. So I think that's kind of
• 56:43
  Speaker 15: those things really kind of sparked their you know, last
• 56:46
  Speaker 15: seven or eight games whatever it's been, you know where
• 56:49
  Speaker 15: they won most of them. So different different group to
• 56:55
  Speaker 15: get ready for than you know we saw back in
• 56:57
  Speaker 15: twenty Obviously a lot of a lot of change, but
• 57:01
  Speaker 15: you know, they're they've done a good job. Shawn's done
• 57:03
  Speaker 15: a good job there.
• 57:07
  Speaker 16: Mentioned means in the return game, how do you feel
• 57:10
  Speaker 16: like your coverage units have been performing?
• 57:14
  Speaker 7: I guess deceased.
• 57:18
  Speaker 15: Uh no, bad, Yeah, I bet, I mean our our
• 57:23
  Speaker 15: net punt is you know better than what it's been.
• 57:26
  Speaker 15: Some of that's come with some return yards, but the
• 57:27
  Speaker 15: walls are punted further. And kickoff you know, didn't have
• 57:32
  Speaker 15: a good one there against Indianapolis, But I mean we
• 57:36
  Speaker 15: haven't we haven't covered a lot of kickoffs be returned,
• 57:39
  Speaker 15: a lot of kickoffs.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: What is even work done over the course of his
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: career that's caused you to say I want to.
• 57:46
  Speaker 15: Work with Yeah, well, just the depth of that position.
• 57:52
  Speaker 15: So you know, when you only have two quarterbacks on
• 57:54
  Speaker 15: the roster, guy sprands his ankle. I mean you're down
• 57:57
  Speaker 15: to you know, putting the receiver or running back or
• 58:01
  Speaker 15: somebody at quarterback. So but you know it's productive preseason yeah, Canada.
• 58:11
  Speaker 7: So talking to can a court yesterday, coming up like
• 58:17
  Speaker 7: Chad and said he practice, you know, he seems to
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: be making a lot of these shorter kings And when
• 58:23
  Speaker 7: I heard him.
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: Say that, it made me think that maybe a little
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: bit of a surprise that it isn't.
• 58:26
  Speaker 17: Carry him over to the games' carrious to complete.
• 58:30
  Speaker 7: Do you see it similarly and what are your thoughts
• 58:32
  Speaker 7: on there? Things are with a channel?
• 58:36
  Speaker 15: Oh, yeah, yeah, I agree with Camp.
• 58:43
  Speaker 17: You mentioned Broncos shown a lot of improvement this year,
• 58:45
  Speaker 17: certainly on offense.
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: Sean Payton a lot.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Of success in New Orleans.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: Now he's having some immediate success in Denver.
• 58:51
  Speaker 17: What is it about his offense that is so challenging
• 58:54
  Speaker 17: for a defensive Portand.
• 58:56
  Speaker 15: He does a good job of putting stress on the
• 58:58
  Speaker 15: defense whatever the defense is, rules and adjustments and fundamentals are.
• 59:04
  Speaker 15: He does a good job attacking him. And that they
• 59:09
  Speaker 15: obviously have good players, and they started the same line
• 59:11
  Speaker 15: in every game, so they've got a lot of continuity there.
• 59:16
  Speaker 15: You know quarterbacks, you know, unique player, he's got a
• 59:20
  Speaker 15: lot of skill. Receivers, Sudden, I mean, Sudden's good as
• 59:24
  Speaker 15: good as there is, big guy, great hands, contested catches,
• 59:30
  Speaker 15: a really hard guy to cover. He's had tremendous production,
• 59:33
  Speaker 15: especially down the field. So good players.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: The injuries happened every year, no supreme, then you've bet
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: this year. Have you ever dealt with the situation of
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: this vie?
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: You've had so many injuries with so many important pieces,
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: and just I guess you know how frustrating is that?
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Noting it's obviously how do you control a lot of
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: these guys? Control OBErs?
• 59:53
  Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's almost all contact injuries, you know,
• 59:59
  Speaker 15: so those are hard to account for, you know, concussions, knees, ankles, shoulders,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 15: that's been contact injuries. So I mean you got a
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 15: couple of sicknesses flues here and there. But yeah, uh,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 15: you know, control the cheating, control, you know, train the
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 15: players the best you can get 'em in good condition.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 15: But you know when you see contact injuries like Coal's injury,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 15: like that's be a hard arn to prevent. You take
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 15: it the other day, which.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 17: What have you seen from your rushing attack the past
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 17: couple of weeks?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 15: Uh, well we got a probably have some pretty heavy,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 15: heavy boxes last week from Kansas City, so we got
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 15: to be ready for that again. But yeah, sometimes comes
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 15: down to you know, numbers actually, you know, blocking the
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 15: guys we have to block. But when there are more
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 15: numbers than that than that, certain ways to deal with that.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 15: But it's you know, it makes a little more challenging.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 15: So they need more production throwing the ball. Which once
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 15: we have that, then that tends to loosen things up
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 15: a little bit. So just depind on what we see
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 15: and you know how how how the game unfolds.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: The valuable is Miles Bryant. The season little changes. If
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: you've had at.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 15: Cornerback sim valuable every year, returning punts, you know, playing
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 15: the kicking game, playing outside, playing inside. It's the same
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 15: thing last year. Yeah, he's one of our most versatile
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 15: players and and he's able to handle a lot of
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 15: different responsibilities and he's had to and he's done a
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 15: good job. But yeah, Bill, you mentioned Denver's d is
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 15: hitting it stride and then they gave up seventy points.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 7: In Week three. Now they're in the playoff mix.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 18: What specifically have you seen that they've been able to
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 18: improve throughout the season.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 15: Yeah, everything, takeaways have them, big fundamentals, not giving up
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 15: big plays, tackling better, a lot of little things. But
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 15: it's all big things. It's all. It's all defensive football.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 15: They do a good job of defeend blockers. They have
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 15: a good, good fundamental team and they're they played with
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 15: a lot of effort and they get a lot of
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 15: hustle plays, second effort plays, uh effort sacks, strip fumbles,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 15: you know, things like that.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 12: They do.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 15: When you saw it Bensho was last year in Arizona,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 15: different team, roster, all that, but you see and carry
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 15: over that scene.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: High pressure, plates, philocity, here in the never week the.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 15: Week, I would say it's a little different than what
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 15: they did last year in Arizona.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 17: Yeah, with the season where it is and obviously you
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 17: playoffs still longer consideration, do you find it harder to
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 17: motivate the players and the coaches never want to it.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: You know, it was ready to go every week.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 7: I'm a chance to coaching one's back this season, I
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 7: don't think so.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: I mentioned the the heavy boxes that you're getting from
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: Kansas City with the run game. Is that something that
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: you've seen as a common theme at all recently against
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: your offense?
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: No, No, it's varied.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 15: It's varied from week to week. There were a couple
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 15: of games that we saw couples you in some days
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 15: it didn't didn't see from Indianapolis, you know, sawwhere Pittsford.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 15: We'll see they mix it up. Man, they don't do
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 15: the same thing every time. But there's uh, definitely a
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 15: lot of Yeah, we saw a lot of in Kansas City.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 17: What have you seen progression wise from Vin Harris?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 10: So good?
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 15: Yeah, solid guys here every day works hard every day,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 15: scout team, offense, kicking game. He s WORKDRD on his
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 15: pass protection, pass routes just he can carry the ball
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 15: that he's worked on, you know, other parts of his
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 15: game too. So helped me become more well rounded player.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 15: The solid guy works, you know, gives you a really
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 15: solid effort every day. All right, okay, all right, thank you.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 19: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, oh no,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 19: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 19: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx where
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 19: now it's next for residential delivery only.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 7: And now great moments in.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: Its.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: I know he's a friend of the show, but the
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: pre and post game shows have become largely about soothing
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: or feeding Hardy's ego, and he offers little actual information
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: about the team or the game. It's so frustrated.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 16: Wow, you should bring this that's entirely inaccurate Hardy to
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 16: I don't know if Hardy has I think, if anything
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 16: in this room, I think, if anything, he's got inferior complex.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, I would agree.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, you know, he's a very busy guy. He's
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: got ninety eight point five and he does serious He's
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: got the music show, you know, so he's got golf,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: the golf show that he does. But he gets free
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: stuff for that, so I'm a little jealous custom p
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: HG clubs he gave you? No, he got those, he
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: got free and.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: I got his leftover.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: So, oh did you?
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: He said he gave me a set of irons? Nice?
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: What kind?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I didn't look at him.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: You don't even look at him.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: We just the other night when we were leave when
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: he put them in my trunk.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: So you're not even curious to what they are.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: No, I'll look at him when I get a chance.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: I would want to know what kind of clubs I got?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: You excited? I've been working on new set of irons.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 7: Just rolling around in the back of his car, right
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 7: there in a bag.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: I'd want to know, Like the Calloways, and they expect
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: that from him, not you.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: I expect you, know, like i'd be excited to get
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: a new set of irons.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: Mike, how's your putting?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: That's another great moment from.
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  Speaker 1: All right back here on Patriots on Filtered eight five
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  Speaker 1: five PATS five hundred is the a'st taken hotline web
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  Speaker 1: radio at Patriots dot com is the email address.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't we have like trivia questions yesterday?
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: I gotta do that.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, did you send did you send me though?
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I never never, we never read them. Yeah, I
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: didn't read them. I warn't handed them. I wasn't handed them.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: No, I warn't.
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  Speaker 1: I can't talk.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, excellent buffalo chicken sandwich by the way from them.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: It was good good.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 7: I got short change. Maybe they gave you one of
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 7: my three chicken fingers and they got two.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: I think you haven't got I think maybe one fell out.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: Check you checked the bag.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: The price they went up a little, weren't they three?
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know three for three day when they first launched.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: All right, well, Mattia, let's get to the phones, Mark's
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: and Everett.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 12: Hey, Mark, Fred, thank you as always taking my ball.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 11: Very Christmas to the whole game.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 12: I mean that sincerely, very Christmas to every one, uh
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 12: two quick things.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 11: Being a squished squish the fish guy.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 12: I grew up on ever and watched the football. We
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 12: hated the Dolphins. I think most of us just don't
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 12: want to see Bill beach Shooles record on another team.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 12: So we're all trying to hang in there just for
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 12: the other seventeen games, so we could at least leave
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 12: when with the Shooler record because we lost the eighteen
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 12: and one season, so we couldn't take that a record
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 12: away from them. So I think that's why we're all
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 12: feeling like maybe we should keep build just for a
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 12: couple more years, just to get that record, whether we
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 12: go six and you know, eleven or.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 11: You know what I mean, I think that's what we're feeling.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 12: I'm not feeling that way.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not feeling that way. I can tell you that one.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 12: So if he was a Dallas cowboy and he beats
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 12: youoles record, that wouldn't bump you.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: No, it really wouldn't. I can honestly tell you. I'm
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: not kidding. It wouldn't. I'd be happy for him.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: And eighteen one will always bother me.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no question, I think about that's my Roman empire.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I get that.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 7: I mean, how much do you want him to beat
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 7: the Shoola record? Like, what's that going to mean to you?
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 12: Like?
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 7: That's that gonna be like?
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: And is gonna beat it a few years later? I mean,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: I don't really care, you know, And and everybody says this,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: but I'm not sure Bill cares about that record that much.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: Six and Belichi.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: I've never heard him say a word about.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm much rather have the Super Bowls right well,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: like champions just.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: Like you know, as as a point of fact, like
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: Mark was just sort of like throw it even if
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: it's like six and eleven, and that's like your notes.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: If that happens six and then eight, he doesn't he
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: needs a third.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Year right to do it, right?
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, marroll it like you don't know if it's even
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: gonna happen here, You don't know who it's going to
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: happen again.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: What is it?
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 7: Like it's a and he just broke the record. Great,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: I'll get back to the game.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: Like I like, I think we'd have a cool I
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: think he can't.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: I think she cares about it.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 7: But like I just think the way that it's built
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 7: up that like all he cares about right now is
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 7: like winning those I just think that's kind of like ridiculous.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 7: I mean, you already got the championships. Like that's where
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 7: it's at for me.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: But but you know, someday there's going to be another
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: head coach who coaches a long time and you know,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: gets a great quarterback and piles up a lot.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: Of wins to your and they'll break that record. Right now, right,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: it's the Super.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: Bowls that are the important thing.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: I don't think is going to catch him.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: I don't think so either, because I don't think he's
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: interested in coaching much long. Yeah, he was thinking about
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: retiring after the winning the Super Bowl last year.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: Yes, but if one of years ago, it seemed out
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: of question that any like, if.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: He wanted to coach for five more years, he'd have
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: a legit shock.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, especially if he stays healthy.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: All right, here's the trivia questions. Ready, Paul, you're not peaking?
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: I know, all right, peak? What year did the NFL?
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: Which actually that was that was well done right there?
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: That was good. You gotta give you identified the mic
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: and Mic is on? Okay, can I can I finish?
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: What year did the NFL switch from Reebok to Nike?
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 7: Twenty twelve?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: That's correct?
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: I was fucking like somebody would that's a question.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: And Alex got that. No, Mike got it, he says,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: email or Alex got.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: It, blast name, No where it was from, just Alex.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: They wanted to get it.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 6: Was a ridiculous emails had Alex and some you know
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: a bunch of numbers.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: All right, No wonder why how many career sass? Did
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: Teddy Bruski have.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: How many career sacks?
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: Three?
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 7: I'm want to say, Wait, let's do Jeopardy rule as
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 7: close as that get over thirty seven?
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: That's that's price is right?
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: Sorry, that's incorrect. Eighteen that's in thirty and a half. Oh,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: I was right, Colleen and Houston got that. And finally,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: when was the last time the Patriots had a top
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: ten draft pick?
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 10: Rab Ma?
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah he was. He was ten though, right, sore
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: we going.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: That's top ten, top ten? The t they always correct.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 7: I no, no, I know what you're talking about with
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 7: the confusion though numbers of eight. You know what always
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 7: confuses me?
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: Mark?
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 7: What does your brain do when someone's like it was
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 7: in the eighteenth century? What do you what do you do?
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 10: Like?
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: I have to think subtract one right immediately you think ninety.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 7: So that's the seventeen hundreds, got it?
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: Wait?
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: What you like in nineties?
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: You know, I know nothing about that.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: Right now we're in the twenty first century. But the
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: two thousands, you.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 7: Know, it's always you always want to head in the century.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 7: So back in the nineteenth century, that's the eighteen hundreds.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 7: It's not the nineties.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: Why can't it just make sense? I know that's numbers hard,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: doesn't make Oh, just like you know our system of
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: measurement instead of the metric system.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 7: Oh, don't get me started.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because like your.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: First birthday isn't the day you're born, You have to go.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: Through that whole year. Talk about prognacy.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: Now, the years make makes sense, That's what I'm saying.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: I calling it the twenty first century. But two thousands
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: makes sense, right.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 7: Because the hundreds finished the second century.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: I remember in grade school and you know, glad I
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: fifty years ago or even more. You know, we have
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: to get ready for the metrics system we're going to
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: be converted in. It never happened.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 7: Kids, You were like, this is ridiculous. Why don't we
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 7: just use this? This makes so much sense. Everything is connected,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 7: it's all easier. No, but we're on the mile yards.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 7: There's a great recent nape Argazy Saturday and Live sketch
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 7: about this whole thing, where it's like he's in colonial
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 7: times explaining the ridiculous nature of like using measure by.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 8: Rocks, like I think an acre is how much one
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 8: single man could reasonably plow in a day.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure, that's where that came from.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 20: That's what we're talking about when you come up with
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 20: I'm gonna live in Tennessee, because there's no t That
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 20: was the Alexis thing ever, right there, the acre came about,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 20: of course, Cliff Craven.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: That was the amount that could reasonably be plowed by
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: a man.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: Who knows that I'm boring.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: That's fascinating. That's the opposite of boring.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 8: Grade teacher Peace.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 7: I feel like Andy should weigh on this one, because
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 7: if anybody's gonna like an acre, he'd be the guy.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: I could do it too.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: I could do too, So I deserve to have two
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: acres for the price of one. This is what you
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: guys always But Fred's right. The two things that I spent,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: you know, my elementary school years being drilled into drilled
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: into my head. This is how it will be nineteen
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: seventy six, nineteen seventy seven the metric system and soccer
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: is the sport of the You guys didn't have to know.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: Those are the two things that everybody told me would be.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 8: At least you guys had to actually use cursive for
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 8: some portion of your life. We had to learn it
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 8: and then it was like instantly, Yeah.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Cursive, but I think you know, as a country where
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: the ultimate procrastinator is about the metrics, is sure, we
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: just won't we just we'll put it off another year.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: That would really throw football off, Like so, what are
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: we going to go to a hundred meter field instead
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: of one hundred yards?
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 7: How close are a meter in the yard?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: It's not very Yeah, he doesn't know, he doesn't know.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: Why are you asking me these questions?
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: A little more?
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: You got to go to schoolhouse rock? But why do
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: you ask the question? Think about it that way? It's
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: really not that hard.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 7: I'm assuming you know all the accurate dimensions of a
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 7: football field though from like you know, from the hashes
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 7: in and you know, et cetera.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but like that's because I shouldn't know those types
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: of things, like like an acre is probably more you know, random, No,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: I think that that's probably better for life than me
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: ran knowing how far the hashmarks are apart.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: Like probably, I mean, yeah, but subjective. Everybody's different, you.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 5: Know, that's just how stupid it is.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: Not your system. Let's go, let's go to a shot
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: in Baltimore. What's up for shod?
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 9: Hey, what's up? I ain't gonna lie. I wanted to
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 9: say something about Zacy because I think I do think
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 9: that the team, just the team just look better with him.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 9: But I gotta I gotta talk about Bill because I
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 9: heard somebody call and I heard a couple of people
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 9: call in just saying stuff about Bill and why we
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 9: should keep them. And then they said something about the record.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 9: I'm gonna say that nobody cares about that record. I
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 9: mean at least nobody. I mean, I don't care about
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 9: the record. I don't care. I don't care if he
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 9: gets with another team. I don't care about that. And
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 9: and the reason why we want Bill we want to
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 9: change because just look at just look at what the
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 9: team has been, like you can't you can't keep living
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 9: off the past and what I'm in, Like, just think
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 9: about it like this, people who want Bill as a coach,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 9: Like if his name wasn't Bill Belichick, if it was
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 9: you know, Tom Tom Smith, he wasn't, Like I just
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 9: don't think about don't think about all the accolades that
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 9: he's done. Let's think about all the stuff that that
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 9: he's done as a coach and a GM the past
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 9: three four five years. If he was anybody else they
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 9: will be gone. They will be gone and it wouldn't
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 9: even be a discussion. So we I think it's a
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 9: lot of people, and I really think it's the older
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 9: Patriot fans. You gotta let it go, like it's time
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 9: for a change. I mean unless unless people like saying
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 9: like three, three and thirteen seasons and stuff like that.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 9: They like seeing mediocre offenses, mediocre games, like it's time
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 9: for a change. Like you can't you can't keep you
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 9: can't keep living off the pass. That's like all of
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 9: the Super.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 18: Bowls and stuff.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah, we want to remember in charish it, but we're
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 9: not going to see anymore than we keep.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 12: We keep him and we.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 9: Keep going through the same suck. If we get a
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 9: new quarterback with Bill, I don't I don't feel confident.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 9: I'm not going to feel confident with him.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: And how long is it gonna last? You know that's
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: the thing. All right, thanks for shot and.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: Just you know, we don't have to be labor that.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: But he's right, if if if, if it was just
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: a regular guy. But that's part of it. There's a
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: lot more information than just the last four years, and
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: that should be like Bill should get more leeway than
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: Harry Smith, who's coached the last four years.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: But you wouldn't you, like I would argue he had
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: like did this last four years has been the leeway though?
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, no, no, I'm not saying he's saying if
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: this was anybody else, it would we wouldn't even be
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: talking about it. No, we wouldn't. But that's part of it,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: Like the fact that he's won six titles, have been
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: to nine.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: The fact that people are even considering keeping him. It's
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: because of his history. It's because we know how great
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: he has been.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah. I came across just something I thought was interesting
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 7: in our little stat pack that we get the.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: Broncos mucho mass respect for the fact that you still
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: printed out.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: I enjoy it.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 7: Thank you. You don't have to thank me.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: You know I like it too.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 10: I do.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 7: The Broncos haven't been to the playoffs since they won
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 7: the Super Bowl in twenty fifteen. You how many head
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 7: coaches they've.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: Gone through in that time, I'll say three.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 7: I got them pulled up, so, uh, vic fan Jerry
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 7: Kubiak won the Super Bowl, but he was the coach,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 7: so I'm starting there.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: Vig Fangio, you missed one vance Joseph and Nathaniel Hackett
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: and now Peyton.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 7: Right, So I mean it's it's the Patriots, haven't I mean,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 7: that's you know ton Of to his point, like, yeah,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 7: I mean, this was a team that won the Super Bowl.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 7: I mean, the Patriots won the Super Bowl in twenty eighteen.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 7: You know, it's it's They've gone through, you know, four
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 7: coaches and we're counting now.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: The only difference is if Kubiak didn't step away for
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: health reasons, he probably would have been the coach for
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: another four years.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, do you know what I mean?
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 7: Maybe, I mean without technical once Peyton fell out.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: And didn't mean to add context.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Spi and Fresno. What's up, speed.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 18: Evan, Happy honkkah, hawksamea thank you, thank.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: You, see some people understand what.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 7: Does THISNKA thing?
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: Oh, don't be proved.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 18: That and a holly jolly Christmas for the rest of you.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: I don't have to say that part.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 7: And Tamara's birthday, Yes you definitely, Happy birthday.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 18: Happy birthday tomorrow. In the post game show, there was
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 18: a call from H. David in Atlanta, I think, and
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 18: I thought it was interesting. He was he was really
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 18: frustrated with Bill drafting Mafu only to give him, you know,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 18: like to have him ride the bench because of the
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 18: depth of safety, and you know, at the same time
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 18: kind of neglecting glaring positions and need in the draft
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 18: like tied it and tackle. And hearing that good discussion
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 18: kind of reminded me of that Bellows Tech quote from
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 18: I believe it was related from Urban Meyer, like five
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 18: or sixty years ago, where Bill's talking about, you know,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 18: at this point in my career, I only want to
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 18: coach guys I like or want to coach, and not
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 18: other other players. And it's like whether it's Mapu or
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 18: Jordan Richards, it just seems like Bill sometimes at least
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 18: prioritizes like a collection of traits over overall football talent.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 18: And what I wanted to ask you guys, do you
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 18: see that as a change in him and his approach,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 18: Like you guys used to say, how like Tom changed,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 18: but Bill didn't change.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: But I wonder when you.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 18: Look at that quote, you know, he's saying at a
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 18: certain point his career, his approach to play or acquisition changed,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 18: And I just wonder just thoughts on all that stuff.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 7: That's a good question I mean, and I've thought a
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 7: little bit about that, and you know, maybe in Jordan
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 7: Richard's case, I get it because he was just like
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 7: super duper nice guy, but you know, couldn't play and like,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 7: but like all the guys he's drafted and that he's
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 7: missed on, like, I don't necessarily feel like and I
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 7: mean I'm not meaning this as it's going to sound
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 7: as a shot, but they're not all these great, awesome
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 7: guys You're like, Oh, I could see why personality wise,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 7: he would want to have this guy. Like, they're all
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 7: cantinuing to be kind of a mishmash of you know,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 7: across the spectrum of any average you know, personality spectrum.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 7: So I don't I just don't really see it. I mean,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 7: I understand what they're saying, and i'd love to be
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 7: able to say, like, yeah, that's why they've had too
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 7: many misses in the draft, that they're just trying to
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 7: draft like, you know, nice guys who are gonna do
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 7: what they're told. I do think that they are trying to,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 7: you know, project guys that can handle the demands of
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 7: this place and what they ask of them.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I've said it recently, if Bill's philosophy
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: on drafting was simply he's the best guy that fits
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: our system and he's a good football player. Great, but
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: there's all this other stuff that he factors in. Who's
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: his head coach? You know?
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: Do I owe a favor? Do I want a favor?
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: Has he been loyal to me? I want to be
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: loyal to them?
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: Do I like that school?
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: Did it?
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: Ba? Buh? You know? And I think that's too much
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: of what goes into his decisions, you know, like the
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: whole the whole Great Chiano period. I'm not saying that
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: Slater wasn't good or Deron Harmon or Logan Ryan, but
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: but but it's not Slater, but you know all the
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: guys that they harmon. I met mccorty when I said, Slater,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: leave that one.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 7: Like justin Fritz, it.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: Was so obvious that he was doing a favor for
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: Greg Shiano and and and you know, boosting the program
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: and boosting the Rutgers program like that should not be
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: a factor, you know, And only Bill Belichick could get
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: away with that. Any other GM or head coach the
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: only be like what are you doing? Yeah, I mean,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: what are you doing? I don't care if your son
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: played there.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just striking because your second and third round
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 7: pick are just kind of sitting on the bench and
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 7: playing minor roles right now. Meanwhile, you are having to
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 7: like scramble to find just a tackle to play, and
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 7: among other positions or I don't.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: Know, a quarterback because you just keep letting them go.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: You know, you're exposing them to be plucked off your
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: practice squad, and you think enough of it that you
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: immediately replaced them every time it happens.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: I will say that Mapu, just from the conversations I've
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: had with him, really is a bright football high IQ
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: on mine for a young kid, Like he's level, he's
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: definitely beyond that. I know he's he's really like he
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: can really talk the game at a high level. But
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: I think with him, you know, we mentioned Dugger a
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: little bit earlier in the show, like that that's who
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: he's here to replace. And it just is odd to
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: me that at certain positions there they are continuing to
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: try to be a step ahead of holes that are
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: coming down the road, but other positions just get the
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: same thing but completely ignored.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 7: Like it's just that didn't like positions that they used
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 7: to do that to tackle.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: Right gets ignored. But strong safety. We now have six
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: of those guys like, so don't worry about that position
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: and a guy who played.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: Like extensive snaps at that position who doesn't even get.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: On the field.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 7: And yeah, right, he's the poor guy. You know, he
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 7: seems he's he was, He seemed like he was emerging
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 7: as like a team leader a guy, and now this
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 7: year he is. I mean, I I think he's under
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 7: contract for next year, but I would be surprised if
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 7: he's back.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: Jeff in Brooklyn says Bill will leave. Bill will have
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: success elsewhere. He liked Brady at a certain point in time,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: expressed that he didn't want to be here, but he's
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: the coach n GM, so his mutinous outbursts have greater ramifications.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: Bill's the best, like Brady, but it's run its course.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know about mutants out mutant y that's a
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: little strong.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know about that either, But I mean, like
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: that was the one thing I took exception to the
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: gentleman in Tennessee. I can't remember his first name now,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: Robert Robert in Tennessee. Yeah, just that you know, now
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: we're trashing this, and like, we're not giving him credit
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: for that, And really that couldn't be any more off base,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: because I still today if you ask me who I
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: think the best coach that's ever done it is, he'd
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: be my answer. But I just don't think that he's
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: coaching now the way he coached then. And I think
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: some of the things that Fred brought up are part
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: of that reason. And I do think that they need
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: to get a little bit more modern. Did you guys
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: catch this? About a week maybe maybe a week and
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: a half or so ago, there was a question, someone
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: asked a question it might have been Callahan Alex's favorite
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: about sort of watching the league and other teams offensively, uh,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: you know stuff, you know, something along those lines basically,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: how much do you watch these teams? And he kind
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: of said like, yeah, yeah, we're you know, we're in
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: a day to day you know, we don't have time
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: to do. I don't watch other teams. And I'm like, yeah,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: I understand that. Probably Bill is not being super literal
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: with that. I'm not dumb, Like I get that he
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: is aware of how the Niners has an example of
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: play offense, but like, you're not watching other teams intently
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: and trying to steal from them the way everybody else does.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you do that, Why wouldn't you offer, you know, yourself,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: all of the information as a potential aid to get
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: this offense in gear.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like a stubbornness. And I wonder if he
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 5: is as stubborn as he kind of comes off as
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: in that regard.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: I just wonder how much he really respects offense.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: Well, a lot of things is deflection. So if I
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: tell you I don't watch it, you can't ask me
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: about it because I haven't built an excuse not to
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: have an answer for it.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: But maybe he doesn't just doesn't tell it. I don't know,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: But that's, you know, one of the reasons why a
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: lot of the media get frustrated with him.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 7: I think it's just as striking, just the contrast though
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 7: to on the defensive side of the ball, and you know,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 7: kind of the creativity that they employ, and you know,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 7: I'm sure Brady enabled them to be a lot more creative.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 7: I mean, we've talked about this a little bit. When
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 7: you don't have the talent, can you really afford to
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 7: install a new game plan every week? Like don't you
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 7: just have to get back to a point when you
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 7: just do what you do and you do it really well.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 7: And I mean a lot of teams get by on that.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 7: But I think they've been spoiled. You know, they've been
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 7: spoiled with their success and the things that they've had
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 7: success at and I think, you know, they continue to
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 7: believe that they can get back to those things. And
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 7: I mean that's that's been the challenge. And I mean,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 7: I think going back to the call from Tennessee, it's
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 7: you know, does Bill want to keep in this? And
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 7: you know what really I mean, we heard Evan kind
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 7: of say what the pitch would be, you know, of
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 7: putting on the kind of the quarterback and you know,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 7: the turnovers and those things. But I don't know, It's
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 7: just it seems like a big lift right now, trying
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 7: to get everything back in line.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: And you know, I hate to say it, but the
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: money is a factor too. He's being paid more than
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: any coach in sports. Yeah, that's a big part of that.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: You hate to say that, but it has to be
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: aj in the Bay Area, but from Providence. Listening to
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: the earlier caller reminds me of how much Belichick has
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: done for this organization. And I'll admit that I've been
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: very critical of Bill and extremely frustrated with this team
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: and his management of the quarterback and wide receiver position.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: But maybe we are understanding how much the loss of
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: Bill would be would be the end of everything we
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: have left of the Dynasty era. But I still believe
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: it's time to move on, and I sincerely hope for
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: a positive end to this era better than Brady's departure.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: I also have to say that you guys have no
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: idea how much this podcast means to us fans. I
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: listen to every episode because you guys articulate how we
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: fans feel. You keep it as genuine as we would.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: You were probably the only thing right now that keeps
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: me interested in this team. Fred and Paul are the
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: Belichick and Brady of Patriots Radio, and I don't want
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: to hear any more about needing a raise.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: Pay that man. You guys are performing better than ever before.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: I'm the Brady, what are you else?
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 7: I think I'm the Edelman, You're the support coming late,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 7: Andy was the Welker.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: You're like, you're like Larry's Izzo.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: No, I'm really tough yeah, you know the other part
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: of that as you were talking about you know what
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: Evan said, like the plan that he goes to Robert with,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: and you make a good point like we don't talk
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: about the GM a lot to Fred's point, and we
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: don't talk about this. Do you think Bill wants to
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: be back right? I don't think that's ever really outside.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: He might be just as fed up as anybody else.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 7: Does he look at this team and you know, not necessarily.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 7: I mean, we can talk about blame, but you know,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 7: just look at the team and say, look, I gotta
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 7: be honest, this is going to take too long to
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 7: repair this. I see what this team is, and you know,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 7: no matter how it's kind of ended up at this point,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 7: this is what it is. And I gotta be honest,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 7: I only have a few years left. I don't think
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 7: I have the time to put all the pieces back
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 7: into place.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: Uh, Jack and Ann Arbors is a meter is one
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: point zero nine three six one yards. So a meter
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: is point zero nine three six one yards longer than
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: a yard. Very similar, it's a little longer than a yard.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I gave you my schoolhouse rock.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go. Does Bill become a law pol Patty and am.
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  Speaker 11: Hey, Merry Christmas and.
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  Speaker 18: Hankah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, first thing.
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  Speaker 21: First, I got to give a shout out to my
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 21: fellow wack packer's cat Chicago Christmas, the Tie and Chester
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 21: and Portland and spread.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 21: Can we just keep it this sweet kid?
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: Oh No, I like I like that and I mean
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: what I said, like that, that kind of loyalty, that's admirable.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: I think that's admirable.
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  Speaker 7: It's hard to call into us and yell at us too.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: Well, that's that's not for some people. Everybody does that true.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: Unlike me.
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  Speaker 21: It was very entertaining, but just a sort of answer
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 21: woman and fell them to like, you know, I've been
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 21: a Pats fan for almost forty years now. And Paul
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 21: and Mike, you know, you probably might not like big
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 21: or you may vaguely recall, but after the Cowboys game,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 21: I said I was done with Belichick. I was a macpacker.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 21: I was done with Mac after that game too, And
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 21: my fellow whack packer can can attest to this. I
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 21: said they'd be lucky to win three more games this year.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 21: And I don't I can't understand. I can't wrap my
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  Speaker 21: head around how anybody any Patriots fans being completely objective
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 21: can look at what Belichick is done to the offensive
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 21: out of the roster at least and the special teams
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 21: over the last few years and say he deserves another
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 21: stat And like you said earlier, Paul, it it just
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 21: looks like he hasn't evolved as far as like coaching
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 21: or wanting to coach offense.
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  Speaker 13: You know.
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  Speaker 3: That's I mean, that would be why and not having
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: any fact to back it up, obviously, I just feel
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: it feels from watching the way they play that he
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: has sort of a disdain for offense, like I want
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: to show you that any offense. And I do think
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: that this gets to the way that they coach the
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: second half the other day, like I'm not letting that
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: offense get over thirty points on me, So I don't care.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to win the game because the game's lost.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: And I get it, the game was lost, but thirty one.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: Other head coaches would have gone for it in an
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: effort to try to make a miracle comeback. He I
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: think was more interested in keeping the other team under
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: thirty for whatever reason. I don't know how that makes
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: the defense look any better. The defense would not good
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: on Sunday, But I think he thinks it looks better
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: because they only scored twenty seven.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 7: Do you think it has to do with that? He
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 7: kind of could be hands off for the last two
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 7: decades on the offense, and it was pretty much you know,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 7: Tom and I know. I mean, obviously we've seen clips
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 7: of Brady and they meet him.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: That's why they talked about it.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 7: But he didn't really have to maybe be the driving
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 7: force behind him.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: Don't you think if you put him on a lie
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: detector test, right, Brady at the height of his powers,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: let's say, oh seven, you don't think that he thinks
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: he could put a defense together that would keep that
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: team in check.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 7: Yah, take away Moss over the top, get down on Welker.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: Which was only part of the equation that year. That
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: was two years later that he said, yeah, but like sure,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: I mean I think he like I like I think
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: you You caught a glimpse in that Monday night game
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: in the COVID year when I was in my uh
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: was I was down in my lair the only game
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: I've ever missed when I was so sick, and I'm
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: listening to Lewis Riddick and Brian Greasy absolutely torched Josh
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: Allen out of the production meeting. Yeah, and I'm like,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: are you kidding me? He thinks that little of Josh Allen,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: and I believe that to this day that he does
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: not buy. I think he has respect from Mahomes the ability,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: but I don't believe that he thinks any of these
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: guys are all that.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 7: I still though, like because I kind of approach the
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 7: game too. I think a lot of people just you know,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 7: approach the game through a defensive lens, and I think
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 7: that that will always be how he is and that's
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 7: kind of, you know, personally just when I like to
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 7: watch the game, that's my favorite part side of the ball.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 7: So I don't know, I just it's it's hard because
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 7: how can you have a disdain for offense, Like you
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 7: have to understand you have to score points in this
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 7: league and you're never going to go into every game
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 7: thinking like, well, we're just gonna shut him down and
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 7: hopefully we get a point or two, you know, like
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 7: that like that part of it I struggle with. But
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 7: I do think that that maybe he's been out of
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 7: it and you know, he hasn't had to do the
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 7: things like you said earlier.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: The way he wants implementing my point, Yeah, you know,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: like I think that because of Brady he was able
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: to win anyway. Yeah, because Brady was just that good.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: I think he went into games thinking I want to
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: win twenty to seventeen. I don't want to win thirty
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: seven to thirty four. But Brady had the ability to
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: win any way that the game unfolded.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 7: I think that's interest pot because I mean I feel
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 7: like he probably every week is pouring a lot of
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 7: energy into the defensive side of the ball and thinking that,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 7: you know, if the offense is taken care of, if
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 7: we can just if we can do our job on defense,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 7: and that's what I enjoy, then we're gonna have a chance.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 7: So I mean I kind of see what Just.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: Like I totally admit that this is a complete exaggeration,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: Like I'm not in any way suggesting that Bill doesn't
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: want to win no matter what the score is. Yeah,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: Like Bill wants to win, right right, Like I understand,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: But I'm just thinking in a perfect world, like in
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: his mind, Yeah, wouldn't it be great if I could
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: beat Peyton Manning twenty four to fourteen When the week
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: before they scored eight hundred points against Kansas City and
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: didn't punt, Like that's what he's what he's looking at it.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: He didn't want to win that game because we just
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: outscored him like they did in the regular season game
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: thirty eight thirty four. He wanted to win it on
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: his terms. Yeah, I think if it's perfect, in a
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: perfect world, he'll take a win no matter what.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 7: I see what you're saying. But I would assume that
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 7: like someone like Andy Reid when he looks at an
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 7: opponent and he says, all right, this is how we're
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 7: gonna light him up on offense, and that is his focus.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 7: And I think probably with the same kind of thing
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 7: with the defense, he's like spags, keep it in check,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 7: you know, get aggressive here, don't get aggressive here. But
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 7: you know, generally this these are the curveballs. We're going
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 7: to throw them on offense. And you know, I think,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 7: and I mean I've talked about this before. I mean,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 7: I think the evolution of the league fed perfectly into
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 7: the brilliant mind of Andy Reid, who is an excellent
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 7: offensive football coach and is offensive football exploded. He is
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 7: so smart he's able to take every advantage of that,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 7: and for someone like Bill who posted defensively, it's.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: Gotten harder and harder and harder. But if Andy Reid
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: didn't have a guy like Mahomes, he couldn't do the
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: things he wants to do.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: He would need a smart quarterback, but you wouldn't be
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: as successful as he is. Mahomes put you over the top, right,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: But he scored forty with Alex Smith against you too. Yeah,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: that's true, like he had like Mike is first of all,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: Donovan me now is this averages average can get You
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: went to four straight conference championship games with them. Now, Now,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: Mahomes has made him a great coach, no, no question.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: And there's no great coaches that don't have that great
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: quarterback to go with you. I mean Mahomes, I mean
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: any Rey was a good coach in Philly.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 7: He's a great coach with Yeah, and just what I like,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 7: I mean we saw it last week, Like it's just
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 7: he has fun on offense, Like you know the stuff
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 7: that he that play was fun. I a huge You're
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 7: not a fun guy, but but you know, like the
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 7: one where they get in this circle and they're going
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 7: like I don't know, it's just it's it's it brings
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 7: some entertainment to.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: The game when they when they were like the one
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: on Sunday that was that was awesome.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the reason and when you pull it off
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: it it may it puts the defense on their heels.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: It makes them real Did you see the replay? Their
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: heads like, oh my god, what did I just see?
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: And you're taking that to the next series of downs,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: like I just saw something. I still can't figure out,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: what are they going to do next?
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: There was like six people on the defense sort of
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: moving to the wrong side. Yeah, as that play was unfolding,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: and I would say like this, you know the two
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: the touchdowns that they scored in the Super Bowl. I
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: don't know if you remember this, Mic, I know you
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: don't tend to remember plays now, you don't like football
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: like I do. Shots you remember like the little uh
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: you know, the reverse motion and you know, like and
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, Sky Moore is completely uncovered Kadarius
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: Tony of all people didn't drop it is completely uncovered.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: Those plays. I'm like, there's a lot of design, yea,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of window dressing with the
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: motion they're trying to confuse you and you're seeing it work.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: You know, that's the little ring around the rosy stuff.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 7: No, I know that and that and not to be honest.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: To your head, yeah, like no, there's a reason for it.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: And I just watched, but there's a reason. Like they
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: had a little shovel that they threw earlier in that
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: game that the Patriots kind of snuffed out a little
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: bit and stuffed it for a couple of yards like that, Like,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: not all of them work, but Fred's right, they get
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: that in your head.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 7: But even the screen pass that they had, like that
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 7: same thing, Like, I mean, it's schemed up that way
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 7: to get every but he following Kelsey and I mean,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 7: just one more point I'll make on this. You know,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 7: Bill talking about Ernie. Last week, and Andrew Callahan wrote
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 7: an article about the practice squad and what goes into it,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 7: and you know, Bill pointed out that Ernie, you know,
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 7: was responsible for what plays are we gonna run? And
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 7: He's like, look, they have all these like hundreds of options,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 7: but Ernie would go through and pick out which ones
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 7: are most going to be beneficial to us that if
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 7: we see something similar, we'll be able to figure it out.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 7: And you know, not to make this about like Bill
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 7: missing Ernie. But when that play comes up, I just
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 7: wonder what kind of stuff were they running in practice?
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 7: Were they, you know, with that kind of stuff on
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 7: the plate, and did they you know, have some kind
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 7: of familiarity. I mean, look at the Wildcat game, you know,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 7: like they didn't have that on the table when that
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 7: game happened in two thousand and eight.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: That's another you know, we talked about Dante being you know,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: a huge loss, Ernie might be just as big.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: Uh, Jeff. In Canada, I keep hearing media outside this
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: show talking about what Bill will say to Robert for
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: why he should get to stay. This makes no sense
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: to me. I've had to fire people for this. Isn't
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: a humble brag because it's not fun at all. However,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: I was trained to keep it short and simple and
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: go and strong and leave no room for debate. There
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: was no back and forth trying to convince me you
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: can keep your job. I just hope the media don't
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: know what they're talking about, because if there is a
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: give and take meeting, I think Bill will stay, and
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: I don't believe it deserves to stay. A couple of
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: down seasons after Brady were fine, but he's actually just
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: bottoming out now. We should have bottomed out in twenty twenty.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean I disagree in the sense that I
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 7: think Bill deserves it back and forth and that's a
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 7: you know, a respect kind of thing, and he deserves
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 7: to state his case. And again, does he want to
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 7: stay like I think that's part of the question as well.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: And it's I say this all the time. Sports isn't
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: real life, you know it? Yeah, I mean I think
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: he's exactly right. In the corporate world, do you want
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: to keep it short and sweet that it's not like
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: we're thinking about moving on from you. We're moving on
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: from you. But there's it's it is a little different
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: in sports. It is a little different when a guy's
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: won six titles.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 5: You can't like, put belchick on a pip.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: It's it's so different.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 7: What's a p I was thinking of up in the air?
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 7: Do you guys see that movie with us taking my
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 7: college job?
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: Nickname? Oh yeah, Philip?
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 5: What's your middle name?
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: Not ignatious? No, it was from great Expectations.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: Uh, let's go to Kareem in Boston. What's up, Kareem?
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 13: How does fellas Hey hey, I listen here in twenty fifteen,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 13: I was sitting around a bunch of mouth breathers in
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 13: a waste of a city, Danver when Rob.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 9: Goronkowski was injured.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 11: You know what these people did, what they cheered as
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 11: this guy basically lost his knee on the field, heathens.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: He was okay though, and then played the next game.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: Right, remember that I thought he died too.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: I was like, that was Harper's Yes, Harper's mouff good,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: good Fred? What's up, Kareem. I'm sorry I missed you.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: I missed you. There.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 9: The point is, these.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 11: Mouth breathers cheered.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 11: So for me this week, this is a must win.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 11: You know, Jirn Daniels or Darren Bay don't matter. Let's
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 11: get a win boys.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, thanks for listen. They had trouble winning in
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: Denver when Brady was here.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: Right, I mean yeah, I mean obviously the cheering when
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: guys are heard is.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 7: That they have ten home games a year, and you know,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 7: contractually obligated High Tower went out on that game too.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 7: They remember, they like ran all over him, and even
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 7: the overtime.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: Overtime game when it was like a fifty yard run. Yeah, right, yep.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: Can you remember that, Alex right vaguely? You know, you
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: don't shut up?
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 7: Like she was working, she was journaling.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: I had my first job, she was channing, if.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: There was what was your first job?
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 5: My first job that wasn't like SoC Treffing was working
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 5: at Marshall's.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 7: Oh good job.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: First, speaking of Denver, was the safety game in Denver?
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: Like the three the quintessential Bill Belichick coach game.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 7: Oh, I mean, I think it's just one that that
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 7: showed willing to go a little bit unconventional, you know,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 7: I think and that I mean, it gets a lot
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 7: of attention for sure, but you know, in doing the
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 7: three thing the way I mean it's it's not a
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 7: lot of the players really like talked about.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: It was a very abnormal poor performance by the p
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: I mean it was Danny Knell led Denver Broncos that
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: didn't belong on the field with them that night.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 7: And as great as that wasn't, the drive, I think
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 7: like Brady's drive at.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: The end was was well. And also you know, Denver
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: screwed up by letting that right head and then I.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: Didn't even know what happened to you. Where are where
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: are these memories? Coming from. That's exactly right. How do
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: you where were you getting You never have.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: All these details, it's locked in.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: Were you were you working on the three documentary with
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: that game?
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: That game? I remember?
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah? That was That was a great game and that
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: was an unbelievable throw to Gibbons for the oh yeah,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: game winning touchdown. That was an awesome game. Ye, the game,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: if you will. They all have names.
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  Speaker 1: I call it the Safety Game.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody else calls it the Lonnie Pack.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: No, they don't. I've never heard one person Dylan's in
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: Florida saying they're saying, what's up?
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 4: Dylan?
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  Speaker 10: Hey, guys, I love the show.
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  Speaker 12: Quick question for you.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 10: I just want to know it was everything you know. Now,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 10: going back to that twenty one draft, I think Mac
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 10: was picked fifteen, would you, like, what would you do?
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 10: Would you take another quarterback who got basted behind him
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 10: or would you take another player and try and figure
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 10: quarterback out someone else? But I just I wanted to
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 10: know what you guys would do.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, to be honest, I would take Mac.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to go on full disclosure. It's not going
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: to make me look good. No, I would have traded
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: up and I would have taken Justin Fields. Yeah, so
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: I can't accuse me of being one of these guys
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: to tell you, Yeah, now, I had my eye on
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: you know, I knew brock Purdy was going to be
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: great in the seventh. I just waited.
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  Speaker 1: I can't be a fraud. I was happy they took Max.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: I wasn't.
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  Speaker 7: I was and I understood it at the time. And
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 7: I mean now you it's easy and rest it's easy
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 7: in retrospect to go back and see, you know, maybe
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 7: some of the red flags that you might have missed.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 7: You know, I don't know. Do you guys still think
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 7: he has a chance to play in this league or
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 7: do you think it's over? I mean to play, be
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 7: good to play.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: Yes, he has a chance to get a chance. Yeah,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: he'll get He'll get another chance to play.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 7: You think he's on the team next year, I.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: Mean Tommy DeVito's playing. I mean no, I mean just
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: this year. There's been a bunch of guys that haven't
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: played in a while. You know, I know he's younger,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: but you know that came out of nowhere and had
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: to play, you know, and Mac Will I think always
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: have a job.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. The thing I kind of been thinking back, I
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 7: was thinking about it today and I'm not sure that Paul,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 7: you probably remember it was last year, and I think
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 7: it was one of the ones where like Mac like
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 7: did one of those embellished falls after being blown out
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 7: of bounds, and I had kind of a rant on.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: Jalen Phillips of was that taken Jail Phillips?
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 7: You know that that was just one of the those
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 7: things where it was like, man, he's kind of like
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 7: like that, you know, with the grabbing Brian burns his foot,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 7: like just the extra stuff. And that was when I
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 7: started to sour on him a little bit. And now
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 7: I just can't help but wonder, you know, was the
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 7: team kind of like and I'm talking about the players,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 7: not necessarily the coaches, but with the team kind of
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 7: souring on that kind of stuff from him because I
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 7: don't know, I just there's just something about him. I
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 7: don't I don't know for sure if the team ever
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 7: really truly got behind him.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think you're right, And I think that that's
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: part of the criticism too, because a lot of that
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: stuff was stuff that Saban talked about, the McEnroe stuff
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: that he was a tennis bratt and they should have
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: known that. Yeah, they did know that. I'm I'm sure
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: they knew it.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 8: Seeing especially defense, it was like Trent Brown and the
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 8: whole defense. When Malik left, it was like all their
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 8: Instagram it was like Malie Cunningham.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 7: Died getting demoted. It's like a fart in the wind,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 7: It's gone.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: What that tells you is that there is a player
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: culture that is different than the coaching culture.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: Annoyed by by some of that though, Like really it
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: was just Trent Brown that took a shot at the coaches.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: You know, they all were happy for Malee Cunningham to
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: get signed. Trent Brown took a backhanded shot at the
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: coaching because go and let your ability shine someone that respects.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: Your ability to spread.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: And then Jalen Mills this past week with the Jack
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: Jones thing, that's reprehensible. I'm sorry. Yeah, Jack Jones failed
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: on the field and off of it with the Patriots
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: multiple They didn't know him anything. They gave him multiple
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: chances on and off the field. The on part doesn't
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: get talked about enough. Go back and watch the last
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: game that he played as a Patriot, the Miami game,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: and tell me that he just got let go because
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: of his off field stuff.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 7: No, and anything to continue on Jack Jones soon, like
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 7: even Jack Jones sending the Bailly like a bunch of
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 7: billy zappy tweets, you know, like like kind of hyping
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 7: him up like it's and it.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: Strikes me as a little state that's part of it.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: It's like, right, there's a Bailey camp.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that's why I think they both should
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: be gone next year.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Nate in Northeast Pennsylvania. I know there's been a
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: lot of conversation about Bill's record without Brady, but I'm
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: curious if you guys can recall what the narrative was
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: around specifically Belichick during the eight team with Castle under center.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: Obviously the team around Castle was built way different than
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: today's roster. But I'm wondering if you remember how much
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: praise Bill got back then or what people were saying
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: heaped with praise.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, but I think that that's one of those context
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 7: things where, first of all, I mean, and you could
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 7: hear Bill say it himself and the O nine doc
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 7: that they did about him, they couldn't beat the good teams,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 7: that was it. They couldn't beat the Chargers, they couldn't
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 7: beat the Steelers. They lost to what the Jets in
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 7: that overtime game, I mean, and that was why they
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 7: missed the playoffs and they played the NFC West when
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 7: it was terrible. So like on paper, it was I
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 7: think an eleven and five season, and it looks good
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 7: in that regard, but I.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: Think they literally had one They had one quality win
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: that year, and that was the second Miami game, which.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 7: Like, let's let's face it, like that's kind of the
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 7: team of the last few years. They can't beat the
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 7: good I mean, it's fallen off this year, so probably not,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 7: but the last couple of years couldn't beat the good teams.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would you agree that was the narrative. They
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: just couldn't beat the good teams.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: Because yeah, but but Bill, like to the email's point,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: the Bill got a ton.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: Of credit credit for it. For sure, they still do
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: now a lot.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: But I think that people overlook the fact that they
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: lunt they won five fewer games than they won the
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: year before. That's how good that team was. They went
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: undefeated and then.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 7: And then defense was getting old too. Like that was
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 7: kind of last night for Harrison and Bruce Key.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: But don't you think when you look at it that way, like,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: let's just say they had gone twelve and four in
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: seven and then Brady tears is acl and you know, well,
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: then if you go eleven and five, that's really impressive.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: But if you win five fewer games than you did
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: the year before, you're just like everybody else.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: Well, Paul, let me ask you a question that we
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: all know. They went eighteen and won the year before.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: Right then Brady gets hurt in the first game against
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: the Chiefs and he's out. Had Brady been healthy that year,
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: what kind of thing it would have been? You think
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: they'd have been fourteen to two. You don't think, I'm not.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell you they're gonna go undefeated again.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: You don't think there've been any hangover from losing the
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: way they did.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: Did you feel like that going into that I don't know.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: We never got it.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: I thought they were. I thought that team was completely loaded.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: I loaded.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 7: I just say the same Pence said defense was getting
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 7: old though, they were getting old, and they had a
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 7: lot of injuries that year, and I think that those
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 7: were like miles building up. They lost to Sante.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, but if if that's the case, Paul and
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I disagree, but if they were loaded,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: then Kansas City made a big mistake by taking Castle
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: because they should have said he's not that good.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: Well they did make a big mistake. Yeah, but they
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: didn't give anything up for him. I didn't matter. But
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: now he Castle got. He went to Kansas City, he
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: went to the Pro Bowl, he took him to the playoffs,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: and yeah, he was fine.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 7: He's athletic, he looks fine, he's fine.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: There's plenty of guys like that right now that people
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: are going gaga over, like Jake Browning.
• 1:49:55
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  Speaker 1: significant a role this show, as with keeping them engaged.
• 1:50:01
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  Speaker 5: It's probably similar to disposition.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just using context.
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  Speaker 7: People who have spread from their homeland.
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  Speaker 3: Evan has returned, has.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 7: Has returned. All right, all right, all right, I love
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 7: them Redheads.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 4: We got four players. He just took it to another place.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 7: I was gonna was Connor mcdermim's Connor Redheads. So was
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 7: he out there practice?
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 4: No, No, So four guys missing from practice, duce. I
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: want you to put on a brave face here, and
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: Want to speaking of this, I assume you're talking Peppers.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: Did you see the footage of him going down the
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: stairs after the game?
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  Speaker 13: No?
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: No, oh god, one of.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: The one of the one of the the foxtogs caught
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: a shot of him. He needed all kinds of help, Yeah,
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: to get down the stairs. So evidently whatever happened to
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 3: him on that last play that Edwards layer run.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 7: Looked like he was like holding the back of his knee.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 4: I think that might have been significant, because well he
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 4: wouldn't He didn't want to talk after the game either.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: He was pretty pissed. So maybe it was injury that
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: kind of thing. Yeah, So I know, Jabriel Peppers, Remondre Stephenson,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 4: Connor McDermott or Hunter Henry Patriots practice. So Hunter Henry
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 4: had the knee McDermott has is in concussion protocol I
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 4: assume I said head because that's what the team says.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: For now, remonder Stephens an ankle, and we do not
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: know on Jabriel Pepper. You can be all right.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 7: I was worried about I'm not watching the game.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: Well, you have to forget it. And Trent Brown decided
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: to show up today, so he's participating. Very nice of
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: him to need him.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: Uh Chili out there today.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: Little chili, little chili dropping full pads, full pads, full pads. Wednesdays,
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: we had a nice, nice debate that was That was
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 4: the media media debate, Media debate. And we're doing top
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 4: fives at prospective positions of the Bill Belichick era, and
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: there was some real heated debate about the top five
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 4: cornerbacks corner.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: Of the bill.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 4: So I'll give you my so, I'll give you my
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: Mount Rushmore and then we can work on the fifth
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 4: one is really the one that so ty Law Stefan
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: Gilmour Drell reeves.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 3: I have a different three, but go ahead, and who is.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 4: The fourth one?
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 9: Now?
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: I'm Samuel No So some in my mind, some people
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: I'm missing.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 4: I keep to leave. Sorry, that was the one I
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: was missing. And then the fifth one I immediately said
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 4: Sante Samuel, and.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: They don't like that. Some people people hold the drop
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 3: had actually went off his hand, but that's okay.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 4: Jonathan Jones, some people had Malcolm Butler, some people had
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 4: just really those two, I guess, so the other four
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: were locks. To me, that's the Matt Rushmore, Yes, and
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 4: there was wow, I'd put.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: I think I might put Jonathan Jones over to Oh
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: I wasn't.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 4: But that's just me.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 7: It's hard because to Leave and Breath were such a
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 7: small sample size for the Patriots, and it's like that's
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 7: a career achievement to compare what and even like compared
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 7: to what a Sante did over you know, lific, terrific
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 7: play for several seasons, several seasons for the Patriots, I
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 7: mean Tylaw incomparable, and I mean and gil Gilmore like
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 7: after that, it's kind of like, yeah, we had some
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 7: mercenaries who were good here for a year, But I
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 7: don't really like consider a keep to leave on the
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 7: Patriots Mount Rushmore of cornerbacks, I don't know.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: I like that though, I like the top five positions
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: early on, you know, early two thousands that we're forgetting
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: about the corners school otis Smith, Otis Smith.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not not anybody really really good. I mean he
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: had some.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: Otis Smith place.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I brought him up. But both teams,
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 4: I would say that I put a Keep to Leave
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 4: there simply because when he got here, it flipped a
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 4: switch for that defense. They were much better defense after
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 4: the fact that.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 3: They were so corner starved when he got here. Evans
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 3: right about Yeah, I.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 4: Mean I remember that was what thirteen right, and if
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 4: my memory twelve twelve and uh, we actually was at
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 4: the game, his first game as a Patriot, and I
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 4: remember the whole car ride. I was like, they got
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 4: to keep to leave, they got him, they got him,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 4: and then he had to pick six I think in
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 4: that game. Yeah, very first game. And then Gronk broke
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 4: his forearm at the end of the game.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: Does anyone remember what Bill Belichick's last public comment about
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: to Keep to Leave?
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but Wes Welker is the dirty has played ever seen?
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 10: Right?
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: How do you know that was the last one.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: I haven't heard him say anything about it.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 4: Well, apparently according to Keep to Leave that Bill Belichi,
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 4: I tried to get him to come.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: Back cover tight ends. Yeah, I remember that story. I
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: didn't stop her role. I think he talked about that
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 3: while he was in the booth. Yeah, yeah, when he
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: was doing games, he was funny.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 7: I always think of that moment though. Evan is like
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 7: a kind of an you know, as a defense guy
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 7: like that where it all changed. It just felt like
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 7: we've got to get a guy who can play man
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 7: and man up against it.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: He was good. I just think that he was completely unreliable,
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 3: and yeah he was. He didn't post a lot when
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: they needed a most he he kind of wasn't there.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 7: And then, uh, that's that's ad per.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 4: We also were doing middle linebackers, and I'm.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 7: Going to throw all of us middle linebackers, all of us.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 7: They're not the mic though not the mic.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 4: So we we he had high tower, We had Bruski obviously,
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 4: and like a bunch of terrible reporters just sclossed right
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 4: over girod Mayo and did not mention him in the
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 4: top five.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: So we we ted Johnson in him. We we were
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: debating because Ted Johnson's better than those guys, better than
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 3: he's better than he was a better middle linebacker. I'm
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: not talking about versatility, rushing the passer or all those things.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: He's a better player than Mayo by a lot.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: Well you're just saying the typical old school middle linebacker.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 4: Well yeah, but the game evolved, but that's what they played.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, he was better at that position backer.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: See, I think I think Mayo had I think Mayo was.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 3: A better overall stat compiler.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: I I he was pile jumper.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: He thinks, No, that was Bruski was the.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 7: Pile jump I I I don't have a lot of love.
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  Speaker 3: I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: I'm gonna stop.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you could say it, say it, no, I said it.
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  Speaker 7: No, I just I don't think. Really Mayo made a
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  Speaker 7: lot of impact plays in his career. He was a
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  Speaker 7: good smart player that was you know, in position and
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 7: made a lot of times. But you know, when you
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 7: need an interception there in the Super Bowl, he was
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 7: right by his ear and you know he doesn't get
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 7: around for it. Like, I don't know what was his
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 7: most famous play as a Patriot.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: When he when he hit the guy in Washington to
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 3: get a feel of getting a pick against me. But
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  Speaker 3: I want to say he's grossman.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I know, I probably, I just I just
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 4: was never like he's amazing, like like amazing one in
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 4: my mind is and like to me, Tower was amazing.
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  Speaker 7: I feel like you got to make plays in big
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  Speaker 7: moments and like you talk about High Tower, you talk
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 7: about Bruskie, we can probably all rattle off five to
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 7: ten plays that they eat here.
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  Speaker 3: Like High Tower, wasn't there a game to game but
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 3: when he had to be, we.
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  Speaker 5: Probably don't have at least two super Bowls without.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I know that's that's a great I
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 3: like it that one right right under his Bondom Tower
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 3: would be he would be my one, me too, because
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 3: he could do it all.
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  Speaker 7: But I understand your point about Teddy.
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  Speaker 4: Eddy Johnson was a really good It was a really
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  Speaker 4: good yeah, but was all over though.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: He was no I know that probably that makes should
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: be in the conversation.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: Was outside, but he played inside for half of one
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 3: year because he had the GM signed Manty Beasel and
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: Chad Brown, thinking they would be okay.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 4: You know, I we also we mentioned some like guys.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm a big Roman Fighter fan from back
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 4: in the day.
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  Speaker 3: I was thinking for the whole time I wanted to
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 3: see how many when we got to fight.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: And I know it's a big what if, But if
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: Covid hadn't heard his hip, he might have been what
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: about Colins?
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 7: Anybody talking Collins? He played?
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, A couple of guys brought up Collins, and I
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 4: just I'm not a big Collins.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: Thinking Todd Collins, not that farn what you were thinking about.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 4: I'm not. I'm not a big Jamie Collins guy.
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  Speaker 1: Person a lot.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, he's I mean, he's just seems like he
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 7: later people.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 4: I know, yeah, but he's not like an all time
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 4: great Patriots Now Paul Paul perfect described him what last
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 4: show perfectly what I figure you said exactly.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 7: But sometimes he'd make a big play, and I forget.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 3: Collins was ridiculously flash play.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: Is it fair to say that the Patriots during the
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: Belichick era never had a linebacker at any point in
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: time who was the best player on defense on the
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: team like William Some teams.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 4: Have depends if you're if you're not talking about edge
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 4: guys like I I you know, I think those are
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 4: two different positions.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 3: Like you could make an argument from mc guinness and
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 3: vrabel like yeah, like.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 7: Late nineties was McGinnis, like, I mean he was kind
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 7: of the man, wasn't he? That was really not a
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 7: lot around him.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, but that's that was to your point, the
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: strength of those defenses is like that just was no
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 3: weak link.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but like a lot of teams, like you know,
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: Jack Lambert, I'm talking back in the day, you know,
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: Willie Lanier, these middle linebacker guys, you know, Zach Thomas
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: for the Miami Dolphins. But I mean, I think back
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: then they might have considered him there best defense.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 3: I would love to play a game where Fred rattles
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 3: off the names of random players from the past and
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 3: I have to pick whether or not I haven't thought
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 3: they were good or overrated. I'll bet you I could
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 3: be within the eighty sevents.
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  Speaker 4: You tell me that that you talk about Bruski jumping
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 4: on the piles.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 3: Zach Thomas, I absolutely agree overrated.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 4: Zach Thomas eight yards down the field made a tackle.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 3: Whoa London London Fletcher. No one else could tackling machine.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 3: Quote, that's like what you think.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: It means, Zach said about pursuit.
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  Speaker 4: You know, ray Lewis is an all time ray Lewis,
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 4: different different animals. Zach Thomas is you know, good for
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 4: you that you're you got the gold jacket. Zach Thomas please.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well listen, that's gonna be it for this
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to give you guys the picks.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: Fred, just letting you know, I don't want I don't
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: want to tell people that.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 3: I want everybody to know right here that I already
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 3: made my picks, all right. I don't want to be
• 2:01:09
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