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Ep. 133 - People’s Court in Session: Daily Disciplines, Recovery Routines & Evolution of Sobriety. · Trudge Report

• 0:07
  SPEAKER_02: Ladies and gentlemen, good evening and welcome to another episode of Trudge Report.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_02: We are a recovery-based podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: My name is Sean, and I am your host, joined by my good friends and fellow Trudgers.
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• 0:35
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• 0:39
  SPEAKER_02: Gentlemen, good evening.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_02: Happy recording day.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I'll go on my screen, top left, Mr.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_02: Corey Mitchner.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_02: How are you today?
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_02: What's going on?
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm fine, nothing.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um I'm working a lot.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: I need to figure out how to get 35 financials done this week.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: And uh that sucks.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: Is that a lot?
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's a lot of financials.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's a lot.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's um that's as many as a standard bookkeeper does in a month.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, wow, and you need to do one week.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_02: Well gods being what are you doing on this podcast then?
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_02: Shouldn't you be working?
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: You have no idea how many times I almost called out today.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: You have no idea.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: And then I and then I felt like a slight ache in my legs and I thought, I'm sick, I can't go on the pod.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: But here I am.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_02: Probably just because you've been sitting all day.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I heard it's a good show, so I figured I'd I'd come uh I might hit the jammy once or twice, or something like that, but uh I'm here to observe and that's it.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: What else happened?
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um the Eagles uh lost their fucking preseason game to the Patriots, which I'm just saying, like yeah, it doesn't matter, but honestly that might that might have been the most important game of the season, to be honest.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: Because of why why is that?
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh because of AJ Brown and his bullshit.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like we should have kicked their fucking teeth in, but whatever.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: Do you play them in the regular season?
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's what I'm saying.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe you'll see him in the playoffs.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I'll see him in the streets and whoop his ass.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: How about that?
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_02: Now that would provide some content.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: Don't let me catch your ass in fucking poor St.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: Lucie, AJ Brown.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_02: Hopefully he never has a reason to come to play.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: He's getting tagged, for sure.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I can I can see him out there.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_02: Danny P, what's going on, buddy?
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, not much, man.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_04: Just tired.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_04: Tired of shit, man.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_04: We uh I went to Connecticut, um, drove there Friday or Thursday night?
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Thursday night.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_04: I don't even know what day it is right now.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_04: Thursday night and I got back seven o'clock this morning.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_04: Then we had a doubleheader softball at nine o'clock in the morning.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_04: Came home and I got like an hour or two of sleep.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_04: And yeah, I'm super exhausted.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_04: So um, yeah, we had a good week, man.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_04: Just normal stuff, nothing crazy.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_04: And um yeah, I'll give it to somebody else.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_02: So if if Danny nods out, it's not because he's high.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's not.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's not.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_04: It's my hair.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_04: It's your hair.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: You should try to do that Kensington like fentanyl fold like we were talking about a couple weeks ago.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_03: It looks good like this, though.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_03: Like this.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_03: That's a good start.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_03: That's a good start.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we're good, man.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_04: I'm all good.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_04: I'm all good.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_04: Just tired, happy to be here with you guys, and uh for this fun, exciting episode, uh Josh it up with some friends, man.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like the name Josh.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_02: We could add that out on the episode.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_02: What's going on over there in uh Midwest Ohio?
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, aside from screwing over all Josh's, um, we're doing pretty good.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, man, just a just a busy week uh back at it after the uh the trip to Philly and everything like that, getting settled back in, busy week at work, uh uh football practices, soccer practices, football games.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: So Peyton had his first game uh today.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: So that was cool.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: They did not.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: They did not.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: But it was it was at least uh exciting for most of it.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: But um not a lot of rotations out there.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of the same starting five out there.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: I can weigh on you after uh after several drives.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it was it was cool.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was nice to to get back into the stadium.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was funny that we were um we we got settled into our seats and then like three or four rows down in front of us.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: I sent Dan and Mark a picture, but that there's the the Browns GM Andrew Berry is was at like our high school football game.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: So he must or the it's at the high school, but he must have a kid in in flag or whatever.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um I did not go up to him and give him a piece of my mind.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um poor guy's with his family, he doesn't need to know.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: Corey would have yeah, I would have kicked his teeth in.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_00: We'll tag at Andrew Berry as well.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um so yeah, there was that.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: We uh we went and saw um took Peyton and Lauren to go see Spider-Man yesterday.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_02: So how was it?
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_02: I heard it was like oddly emotional.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: It was very it was emotional for a superhero movie.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah, it was.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um it was it was good.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't as good as the last one.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: I like the one with the all three Spider-Man.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: That was that was awesome.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: But uh this one was pretty good.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: So um listen, it's funny Greg.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we don't need to go on a tangent too much about this because I'm sure we've pitched about this before, but I also went to the movies this weekend.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, I went today.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: What did you see?
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_01: Paw Patrol?
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, Paw Patrol.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_02: Paw Patrol, Paw Patrol.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_02: Let us know how much how much.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: You know what the worst thing is?
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_02: Is the Backstreet Boys have a song in it?
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's the Backstreet Boys.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_02: I almost fell asleep, so and it's just so it's just sad to see where my my guys, you know, you guys know I love the Backstreet Boys.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's just sad to see where they've gone, man.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_02: They're down to Paw Patrol movies.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh Paw Patrol.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of sick, but whatever.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um I mean the name name of Set of Core Dogs, I don't know, but yeah, Greg.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, was it a Fort Word Valley?
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: Well see, here's here's my little hack.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um I you know, and granted, it's just another subscription service, but it's a cheap one.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's like eight eight bucks a month or something like that.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: But for eight bucks a month, I get one free movie ticket and they roll over.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: And then I also get like a like like there's like a little barcode so I can scan it and it gives you like twenty-five percent off all the concessions.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: So that is a good hack.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: So so like for example, you know, it was just a it was a rainy afternoon yesterday.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: I got five free credits.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, hey, let's go see Spider-Man, you know.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like that they it's cool because they roll over and they just bank, you can have as many as you uh as you earn in there, you know.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_01: That is that is cool.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: I gotta look into this.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_00: I I mean I probably better than dropping, yeah, like a hundred bucks at the fucking movie.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I pretty much spent eight bucks a month today, so like ridiculous.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_02: Alright.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'll go to Maya, nothing really to report, quiet weekend.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_02: Kids played outside most of the weekend.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_02: Play golf today like I normally do.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um kids back to school, full swing, back to routine, everything's pretty much settled in.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_02: That's always nice.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_02: And um I'm happy to be here.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_02: So without I think without further ado, let's get right into it.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_02: We we have a a very special guest tonight.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_02: Some of uh some of our listeners may hear hear his voice or see his face and say, hey, that's really familiar, because uh um we have our one of our old former, I guess he's he's always a founder and a former co-host, uh Mr.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_02: Wilhelm uh De Luca, hailing from the great Esquire, uh from the great Pittsburgh, not the Midwest, but the great Pittsburgh, Mr.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_02: Bill DeLuca.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um good evening, newly minted White Sox fan.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_02: What's going on, Mr.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_02: DeLuca?
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_02: Welcome back to Trudge Report Podcast.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_02: How are you, sir?
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_06: Good, thanks, Sean.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_06: Pleasure to be here.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, good to have good to hey, good to have you on our program, man.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_02: Good to have you on our program.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_06: Umtime listener.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_02: Long time listener, first time caller.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_02: Love it.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_02: Love it.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: So, alright, I'm gonna kind of quickly set the stage and then I'll turn it over to maybe more knowing mind.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm gonna go back because uh Bill and Greg and Dan, correct me if I'm wrong, have been in a fantasy football league for I think it's been like over a decade now, am I correct?
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_02: Not me, yeah, I haven't been in that long.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_02: But the league has existed for a year.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_06: The league's been around for over ten years.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_06: Over ten years, yeah.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_02: They started it when um, you know, Bill was your Bill was about a year sober, I guess, and um, you know, roughly anyways, and Greg's been in it.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_02: Dan joined a few years later.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not in it.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't do fantasy.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_02: They've never invited me.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_02: Corey's never been invited.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_06: I think Greg I think Greg joined like year two.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_06: I think the first year was Kevin and uh Mark were the only ones that are still.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_06: Nice.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_04: You had you have to be in the group cash on, so you would leave you would leave.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, no.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_04: I'm good.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_04: I'm good on that.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you wouldn't be a part of you wouldn't be a part of the league.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_02: No training.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_02: Been on Corey's uh resentment list for a long time now, but that that's that's a subject subject for another time.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_02: So there's been some from what I understand, there's been some controversy.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I'll I'll kind of let No way.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, no way.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I've heard, you know, side note, my my brother-in-law was slash is in this fantasy football league, and he's he's told me about some of the wild, wild stuff that's happened and been said.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_02: I know some of it, like I know people have been kicked out for cheating.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: I know somebody got kicked out for trying to pay their entry fee in pennies.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: I know there was a controversy one year about first and second place, just who cares about the results of the championship game, um, and they split the winnings, and that one of those people may or may not.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_06: After it was announced not to do that specifically.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_02: I do remember hearing that, and I I remember all that.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_02: But recently there's been some more controversy.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm um, I think it has to do with the commissionership and the trophy, if I'm not mistaken, and I think it's a house divided on on who's on you know what side of the aisle.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_02: And uh Greg, um, you know, we'll call it that.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_02: We'll say it like it is.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_02: Greg, Greg uh lovingly called out uh Mr.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: Bill on a podcast a few weeks ago, and and Bill answered the call and texted me week before last and said, I'll be happy to come on that podcast to set the record straight.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: So we got People's Court Trudge Report edition today.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um season three, episode five.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_02: I am not involved in fantasy football.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um I love both of you very, very much.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm gonna play uh judge, let you both present all the time.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying, man.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_06: You should have to wear a robe and a wig for this.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well in a gabble.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: You can't see below, you know, what's going on, but um Thank God for that.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_02: Thank God for that.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_02: Thank God for all the listeners.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_02: So how do we want to start this?
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_02: Greg, do you want to set the stage or Bill?
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_02: Would you like to just get right into it?
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_02: Because again, I don't know the whole story, so maybe we just give the background without going into it.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_06: Cracking Lee, but we'll piece it together.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I will say this, yeah.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: The the league is is always uh always has its controversies every year.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's part of the the the best, the funnest thing about being in it is all the uh the personalities and and all that fun stuff.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, uh as usual, uh me running my mouth is is and now here we are.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: So I did uh did say in uh my little um bit or whatever you want to call it that Bill was welcome to come on, and I'm glad that he did answer because you know we are we are men of the people and we're not here to silence anybody's uh voice and except for Corey, sometimes.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: Well, sometimes Corey, yeah.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: But um all that aside, yeah, so this is this is where we're at.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh or or at least the the intel that um just standard league members have, right?
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: That um so your brother-in-law Kyle is is in fact our champion this year, right?
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_02: And uh it was brought to our attention from from last year, you mean like he's the reigning champ, he is the reigning champ, yes.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and I don't know, it was probably I don't know, maybe four weeks ago that we found out that he doesn't have his trophy.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: So we're like, okay, well, the Golden Duke, which for those of you that don't know, is the most prized and coveted possession uh in the annals of of fantasy football.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, naturally I think that both of league members can agree to that.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: Naturally, of course.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: So um highly coveted.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um and yeah, the our champion doesn't have his trophy.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think that that is the the big thing that I will say.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: Last year, Bill um Bill had a lot of stuff going on.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna, you know, he Bill can elaborate on what we you know, but but as we all know, like Bill is is now a successful business owner and and he's put in a lot of work to get there.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: Bill stepped aside from being commissioner last year, and um we had an interim commissioner step in, right?
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: So there's that.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: Bill isn't the commissioner of the league anymore.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: So can we reveal who it is?
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we need name.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's Mark's brother.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Mark's brother-in-law.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: Thank God it's not Mark.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: A gentleman named PewDiePie.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_04: We need evidence.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_04: That's fine.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: And put's probably been playing fantasy football for longer than maybe some of us have been alive.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: Corey definitely so um the guy knows his stuff.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he he did an excellent job as commissioner uh this past year.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: I will say one thing that was a little absent from uh his commissionership that has been in in years past is just uh a little bit of that controversy, I would say, or at least the the battles between the uh the um I don't know how would you put it the the as some some would say the tyrannical commissioner and the uh and the players union and the always been an ongoing plot line the the commissioner and the owners versus the players' union, they're trying to get a new CPA the F E A P A as as it's so called.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: So um always been been a fun part of the league that was a little absent last year.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: But again, so the big thing, and I don't know currently, because I have not spoken to our league champion if he does have his trophy at this moment in time.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: But as of a couple weeks ago, he did not.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: And that was that was where I we put it.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't know apparently the league's last winner sent the trophy to Bill instead of to the players' union for it to be plaqued and sent to the champion, which has always, from my understanding, been the process.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: So that is where everybody got that bit from last time, and that is where we are at.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_06: All right, so you Bill.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, so I I turn on the the old uh trudge report, and I hear my friend Greg over here making some miscategorizations about uh about the league, and that's really where my problem stops then because Greg on the on the on that episode said that the and I'm trying to make a long story of a lot of bullshit uh uh short, which is really impossible.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_06: It's an oxymoron when it comes to this, but um so yeah, so he said that the the trophy was gone for five months.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_06: However, let's start with the beginning, which is the name of the league is Frothy Emotional Appeal.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_06: In itself, it's inherently a bunch of bullshit.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, this was this league was made in definitely, I think, my first year of sobriety, and it was a bunch of shenanigans from the beginning.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, two people were kicked out the first year.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so I thought that was the prop the the uh perfect name and a proper name, and it's and it's always rung true.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_06: Um I did not steal the trophy five months ago, though.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_06: That that's kind of where the problem lies, because Mark, I'll just say, he's had this storyline that he wanted to overthrow me out of the league for five, six years.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, he is making literal copy and paste painful videos to make and must have spent all summer making these stupid videos, and um, which has all been good fun, you know.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_06: However, over this last season, uh coming like coming into this last season, I had I left the podcast, I had uh relinquished my duties as commissioner.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_06: I thought about uh stepping out of the league.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_06: I had told the guys I didn't really want to be in the thread because, and I will say this about some of these things getting mixed up, is I had to go back and read through painfully 200 texts just to see a stupid message anyway, because there's so many texts in there.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_06: Um so I went to Mark at that time and I said, Hey, I I'm I'm uh I'm overwhelmed with with work stuff right now.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_06: And believe it or not, I I I do believe I asked him, because he had asked for so many so long if he wanted to be commissioner, and he said, No, but uh uh on a one-year leave, though.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_06: Then it I because I was like, just give me a year to see how it goes.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_06: So he goes, no, but I I think PUD would be a good fit for that.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_06: So he does he uh you know him, put and myself talk, and it was a good idea, and I and I let PUD become commissioner um for that one year.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_06: Fast forward now, Cowboy went into right, that that's all correct.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_06: No, no cheating at this year that I know of.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_06: Uh so then nothing really happens, I don't think, until June.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_06: In June, I get removed from the fantasy football thread, and Mark tells me I'm banned from the league for no reason.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_06: That's really the cut of all this, okay?
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_06: The league I'm a big ego miner, whatever.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_06: I'm like the league I started to do gonna throw me out of my own league that I invited everyone here into.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_06: And uh so that's when the problems began, right?
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_06: So I immediately obviously I I talk to Kevin a lot and I I get on the phone with Kevin, and we in that state of conversation quickly realized that Martin could never ask him to send the trophy to come out.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_06: So I said, Kevin, here's$300.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_06: I want you to wire that thing overnight to my house.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_06: And and because I'm like, this is gonna make the best storyline ever when I show up in this thread with the trophy, and say, good luck playing your league this year, boys, because I got the trophy, right?
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_06: So trophy gets good, trophy breaks into pieces on the way in the shipment, not like on purpose.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_06: Not on purpose though.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_06: Um I think Dan might have super glued the trophy together at one point, so it might have had some integral uh structural issues, uh structural integrity might have been out of that thing, because it was I think it was the same spot.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_06: Anyway, I don't know, but it was a fantastic job until uh it got sent back down.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_06: It was broken, which I thought was hilarious at that time.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_06: At that time, I think it was about 4th of July, and I was gonna tie I was gonna I was thinking about putting it on a maybe a small boat or something, like sending it out to the ocean, just doing something really fucking crazy just to piss Markov at that time.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_06: Um long story short, uh I used the trophy as leverage to try to get back in the league through uh Kevin, and we agree to come back in the league.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_06: Uh Kevin and Constantine actually step up and they say, Bill's not in the league, we're gonna quit the league, which I salute them for.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_06: Constantine actually shocked me.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_06: I was like, damn, Buffalo's got my back because he's can it for something.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_02: I think he's threatened to kill you before in that league.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_06: 100%.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_06: 100%.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_06: So um, long story short, so I get back in the league, and then you know, I'm I'm I'm like, so what's up with the commissioner thing?
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_06: And I'm like, well, how about this?
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_06: If Kevin, Constantine, and I win the championship, one of us three, then we'll I will retain myself as commissioner.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_06: And if one of you step in win, because there's 10 people in the league, you you guys uh retain commissioner.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_06: Well, instead they went to a vote, right?
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_06: Now let me preface with in hindsight, I don't want to be commissioner.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_06: I I really don't I don't care about commissioner.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_06: I can give one uh crap list about being commissioner.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_06: Um so I get a vote, and sure enough, my dear friends Greg and Dan here voted against me in my lobby.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_06: Greg was in my wedding, and he votes for a guy who's never even met.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_06: I need to take the guy's call you want, but at least come back and tell me what where the principle is, Greg.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, so I will.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: Objection.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: So one thing number one.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: Now I mean, hold on, hold on, hold on, real quick.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: Hold on, Greg, real quick, real quick.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: I just want to get a couple points across.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, so you're not, Bill, you're not vying to get the commissionership back this year.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_02: Your your your idea was if one of you three or four win, then you'll get it.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: You're not trying to step in.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_06: No, that's all mu point.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_06: Actually, it's fine how it is now.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_06: I think Dan said in the thing.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_06: We should vote once a year or whatever on it.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_06: That's that's actually probably better.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_06: I don't I probably won't even want to do it.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_06: You know what I mean?
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_06: It it would be better.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_06: I was willing to give it to Mark, right?
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_06: But I still want to go back to what was exposed in the in this whole situation was the vote.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_06: Become public information after a pointer request on it.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_06: Got it.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: Got it.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: What the freedom of information.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Information I report that I was not aware that Mark uh just took it upon himself to kick Bill out of the league.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what was that about?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_04: Well let's let's preface that that decision was 100% made after 10 p.m.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: 100% at least 12 Labats.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Did anybody did anybody Bill?
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: Did you say the reasoning you were given on that one?
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_06: He said I was drama and that was it.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: Your drama, huh?
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_06: He said I was drama and I was kicked out of the league.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: I will say this.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: The vote that I put out there was because I didn't think that.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so if we're gonna have either Bill, Kevin, or Constantine win the league, and then Bill gets commissionership back, I didn't think that that was right because then you're opening the door to collusion.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, one for one.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: If Bill and Kevin get kicked out of the playoffs first round, and then Constantine's still in it, and okay, we're you know, well, actually it would be highly visible on like player trades, or hey, I'm gonna let this player go and you pick him up off the waiver wire or whatever, it would be visible, but it opens the door for collusion, right?
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Which i i that word gets thrown around at least twice a season anytime a freaking trade's made.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: Bill Bill's been on the uh the the benefit of the of those trades where I'm getting accused of collusion because I'm making a trade with Bill.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: So we've we've been there countless times.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: That was what what my vote was for.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was for for that.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, if if anything, uh if if we're talking about like let's uh bet may the best man win as far as commissionership, let bill and put head to head whoever has the best record, boom, gets it.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: There's too many variables.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_04: You can't have three a 30% chance is not that's it's just gotta be a straight up.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: But I will say this.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: So so does Kyle have a trophy or is it a trophy in pieces still?
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: He he does not have a trophy.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_02: I just texted him on the pod.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: He said he did, but he did say I told him several times.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_02: He's supposed to text you, yes.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: He said that he said you told him, and he just goes, I just haven't yet.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: So and I can't.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_06: I actually never even said I wouldn't give it to him.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_06: That was another thing.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: He doesn't give two shits either.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_02: Is it still in pieces?
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_06: Oh 100%.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_06: I'm not rebuilding that trophy.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_06: Mark did rebuild that trophy.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_04: We got we gotta blame Kevin, man.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_04: The packaging.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_04: That's on Kevin on the packaging.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_04: The packaging, dude.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_04: I received it.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_06: It had the bubble wrapping in everything, though.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_06: I don't think that.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_06: It wasn't like he just slopped it in there.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, it was just it was the new guy.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_06: And he f he felt really bad.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_06: He did he felt he felt worse than I did.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_06: I didn't know.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_06: I was like, oh well.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_06: Isn't this a little bit more?
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_02: So this all was born out of the way.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: This was born out of my mouth because I was unhappy that our league champion didn't have it.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: That that I understand on the pa, I get that.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_02: But the the whatever issue, if you even want to call it that, it sounds like more of a non-issue than anything, is just that that you know, sounds like Mark is kind of stirred some SHIT up, is what it really sounds like at the back end of things.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_02: Am I correct on that?
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_04: The the large part was trying to find a dip diplomatic solution to it all that everyone agreed upon.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_04: You know, we had the three for one, and then we had the vote for this, and then the vote for that, and then like that spooled all that for the trophy.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_06: I will say this too, though.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_06: I think like you guys are a little harsh on Kevin, calling him limp wrist or whatever.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_06: Like, that's just a little that was a little much.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_06: That was much.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_06: I think he's trying to be really cool with everybody.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_06: So uh yeah.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_06: That's all.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_06: I mean I mean, but I'm just saying it's a little that's a little harsh.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_06: And you know, he would try to hit everybody.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like that's not even the like that's there's been way worse stuff to all the time.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_06: We're trying to like we're trying to like remove that.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_06: Like the death threats are probably two or three years removed.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, we've had all that.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_06: But we are trying to like operate.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_06: I personally am trying to like, I don't want to deal with a hundred text at a night.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_06: I don't want to deal with two people I uh that are friends with trying to kill each other.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_06: I I don't want to try to kill somebody I care about.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_06: Or like, you know, or think that way.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_06: So I I think that we did that in response.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: In response to the limp wristed comment, because that was me just popping off of the mouth.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: That's a little more defamation of character.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: Me popping off of the mouth.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Kevin did change his uh team name to uh limp wrist kid, like limp risket.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like limp biscuit?
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then he uh he called me Cartman and uh set a bunch of gifts of Cartman.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: So now my team name is uh Coon and Friends, which is a Cartman reference with a big old fat Cartman on there.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I I'm I'm leaning right into it.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: And uh so it sounds like sounds like Kevin took it in stride and and fired back at you.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, we I mean we can all be men, but you know, Bill's right, we should probably take that out of there.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: Here's the thing I don't know if we'll ever be removed from having death threats in the league as long as Constantine is in there.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a good point.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: As long as Constantine is in the league, somebody's life will be threatened at least once a season, and a lot of liberals will be threatened.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, a lot of liberals will be those.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_04: Is is the way that it is.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_04: That's I don't want any more phone calls from Constantine being a lobbyist for like Are you gonna go with Bill's side for like an hour in the afternoon?
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: He tried to he tried to lobby me at one point a couple years ago with the whole thing with my brother-in-law, like like how I don't even remember the situation, but Constantine's the nicest person I've done.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_06: Like if you bring up Kyle's name, I don't know if he's like Caesar up.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_06: He beat him in a thing, didn't he?
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: He like was like, I guess he tried to propose something to Kyle, and Kyle Kyle had every right to say no, which he did, and it got Constantine just pissed.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that's what it was.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_06: That's what it was.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_06: He thought, oh, I'm gonna be cool and offer something, he's definitely gonna say yeah, and Kyle goes, no, thanks.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_06: And he got like out of it, like he's like, Steve's red if you say his name.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, which is awesome.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_06: But they don't like try to they don't like Kyle never says anything, but Constantine doesn't like attack him or anything, you know.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I don't know.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_06: So I will give Constantine props.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_06: If like one thing about the guy is he will uh he'll jump in front of a f uh a moving train for you.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_06: A thousand percent.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_06: And that's that's one thing I will give him.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_06: That's and that's rare.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: He might have thrown the container overboard before he does that, but right.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: But he will.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_04: So he would be there for you.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_02: If it's in alignment with what he thinks is in his mind is right.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, yes, exactly.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_06: If you're on his side that day, but pulling it.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, so where so where did the vote what is the final result then?
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think I think the final result has to be that we're all gonna have to cough up a little bit more money and build a trophy out of titanium from here on out so that this doesn't happen again.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: Well, what about the commissionership or put and and bill going head to head?
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: Has that been resolved?
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: Did we vote do we vote on who it was gonna be or we just voted?
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_04: I don't remember.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_04: I don't remember what we voted on.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_06: It's put and I don't want it, so it's all good.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_06: You know, here's the thing.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_06: I don't want to break down.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe next year uh we could I think we should vote over here.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_06: Sorry to cut you off, Court.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: You should.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: This is what I'm hearing.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't I don't know how any of us missed this if we did or not, but like what's his name, PUD?
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: That we that's PUD?
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't sound like he was ever a legitimate commissioner.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: He wasn't.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: It sounds like you just fucking appointed him.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like For one year.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: So that's Well, but you but you know what I'm saying?
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if if it was brought to the group in that moment and said, okay, listen, Bill's gonna relinquish this for even for a year, can we vote on a commissioner?
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like all this is avoided.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_06: And I'll say this, I never said that I at the time, like, hey, I'm doing this for a year.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_06: I was kind of like, you just whatever.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_06: Get me out of here.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: Bill Bill, congrats on the year in business, by the way.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: I saw the post the other day.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: We're burying the lead here.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: Congratulations.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, awesome.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh good.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, guys.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate it.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, also, and the only other comment I have on this, because there's not much to comment on.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, this league is by far very abnormal.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's wild.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: Very abnormal and just you would you would be entertained though, Corey.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_06: You you would you would like it.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like, dude, I feel like it might stomp out the last bit of like spirituality I have.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it would take me out.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_04: If you want to piss Corey off, Bill, you gotta draft AJ Brown this year.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_04: That'll be that'll be the goal of this guy?
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, you can't that guy.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, he wants to put it on the city.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah, he got traded.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, so you hate him.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so if you want to know Corey said if he ever comes to Port St.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: Lucie, he's whooping his ass.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'd wait before Bill definitely will do it.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know I will.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: He's gonna cry people.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's only six four.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna get I'm gonna get a text from AJ Brown's.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_03: I know he's gonna be on the show next.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like, uh, we'd like to come on.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_03: AJ would like to come on a pod and defend his.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, you guys want to uh yeah, you guys we can do a court here again.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_06: He's like, no, he wants the box though.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, a new weekly segment.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it's gonna end up.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: I got the whole city of Philadelphia on my side, all right?
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_06: But I I think it's to a good year, you know.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_06: Hopefully, I'd like to see some people cheat.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_06: Get caught, but I'd like to see them try to cheat.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_06: It's always funny, it's always entertaining.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_06: I never try to cheat, but I'm just saying it's always it's boring without it.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's boring without it, man.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_04: You need that flavor, man.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: What's your league does?
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: 165.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 165, yeah.
• 32:07
  unknown: All right.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_06: But that includes a$15 uh trophy tipping and handling feeding.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_06: Mark, I think Mark takes that.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_06: He like gives it remember he does like the dollar a week.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_06: I think he's if we did the math, I bet you he makes like 50 bucks a week.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_06: You know the juice is running at all times.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_06: Probably.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's his yeah, it's his Dunkin' Donuts budget for the week, you know.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_02: Good stuff.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_02: Well, Bill, we we do, it was fun.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_02: I was looking forward to this.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: It is uh good having you back on.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: We we miss you.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: We're glad you're doing well.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, and uh, you know, I guess, hey, may the best man win.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_02: I guess I hope you guys have a a great fantasy football season.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, real quick, real quick.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_02: I had lunch with Michael the other day, and I brought up that you were coming on the pod, and then we were it was him and Bruce Higgins that got kicked out for cheating like a decade ago, right?
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, Michael got kicked out.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: Michael.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_06: But Bruce Higgins completely took advantage of him.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, yeah, yeah, you guys didn't say Michael, did you?
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_06: I know you're talking about Bruce, but Bruce was like, hey, Michael tried to be like the equivalent of like Justin Jefferson, and he's like might have been like Odell or something.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_06: He's like, he was in place or something.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_06: It was like the most obvious like cheating of all time.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_06: Like and then Bruce like admitted it like uh a day later, you know.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_02: He swindled him.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_02: I still see Bruce every now and then at like Walmart randomly, just every now and then.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_06: I haven't seen him in ten years.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what he's doing.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: He seems I mean he seems okay in Walmart.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_04: I think Walmart Walmart's a spot for that.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: Pretty sure like year three of me being in it, anyways.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: I traded Bill, Christian McCaffrey for Matt Ryan, and the league fucking erupted.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: Erupted, dude.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_02: Matty Ice is decent back then.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: He was good back then, and McCaffrey wasn't what you knew.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_02: He wasn't CMC yet.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_02: That was his first big year time.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_06: So but now in hindsight, you can't I can't bring it up because uh nobody's gonna see that.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_06: They're gonna be like, I can say that good?
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why?
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: Why does that matter?
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_04: It was it was very negatively viewed upon.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we gotta vote on all trades now.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, because we go through like a six-stage process.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's egregious, Corey.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_04: Trust me.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_04: Holy crap.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_06: There's reasons.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, no, there is.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_06: Our safeguard, our auditors need audited.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_06: Who's gonna police the police coming back?
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_02: So we wish you we wish you uh a wonderful season.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_02: I will say that I'll be I'll be listening a little closer on on uh the status of your league this year.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um absolutely.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_06: We'll let you know if we're gonna and uh also maybe the Redskins can turn it around, our commanders can turn it around.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe we'll always be the Redskins.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna get us canceled.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh shit.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, guys.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_02: Trust me.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: That's not the way that's not what's getting us canceled.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_02: No, AJ Brown is.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_06: AJ Brown's agent, too.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: Whoop his ass.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: His agent, maybe.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I will.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'll beat his agent's ass.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Agent's definitely my height.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_02: Corey's been taking sumo wrestling lessons, so preparation.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: Bill, we love you, buddy man.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_02: Best of us with everything.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: Talk to you soon.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_06: Thanks for being on.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_06: Anytime.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_02: All right, boys.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_02: That was listen, that was fun.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: That was diplomatic.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: I thought we're men of the people.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_02: I truly didn't know what direction that was gonna go, and it was not I, if I'm being honest, there was not nearly as much drama as I thought there originally.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: A week ago there was.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: So we gotta get listen, let's say we get a few more members of the uh league on all at the same time.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: Mark that one of us.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that's as I was saying, it's kind of a controlled environment because when we're all together, like including Bill and stuff, we can be amicably normal people.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_04: But if you still throw a couple of them wild cards in there, you know, four interest groups, you know, then then it might get a little a little crazy.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_04: The Russian.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_04: Let's get the Russian on.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_04: We should have him on, man.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_04: That'd be amazing.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: We don't have enough bleeps for I could just see what we're gonna have time.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_02: I can just see him being in his truck and being like this close to the Gregory.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_03: Huh?
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_04: What the board is what uh dude, he's gonna call you in like 30 minutes on Thursday afterwards.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_03: Does he listen?
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I'm sure he does.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think he does.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_03: You think he does?
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_03: I think he all he does is drive around.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_03: That's true.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_03: That's a good point.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_03: That's a good point.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_04: We actually, me and Constantine have a bet every single year he comes to Columbus and we do stake dinner and we're head-to-head.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_04: So whoever wins buys the stake dinner.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's a pretty cool little thing we got going.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_02: Good stuff.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it was good.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_02: It was good having Bill on.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_02: Glad he's doing well.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: You know, this podcast wouldn't possibly wouldn't have been born without uh a stupid football group text message thread where all we did was talk shit to Corey about the Eagles.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_02: And then somebody said, we should have a podcast, and I was like, Oh, my cousin does that.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_02: And a few months later, here we are.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_02: So alright.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_02: Good stuff.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_02: Best of luck in your fantasy football leagues.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's a shame we just lost our last like three listeners.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_04: I was gonna say, when Bill was on, you had way more viewers.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_04: My bad, guys.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, damn.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_02: Our our uh our subscriptions to YouTube very slowly are going up.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_02: I will say that.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_02: Very, very slowly.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_02: Our subscriber number keeps going up and up and up, and our views, the viewing of our channel is going up.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_02: Steady, slow, steady growth.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's all one can ask for.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_02: As long as it's it's like golf, Danny.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_02: Forward progress.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_02: Just hit the ball forward.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_02: Hit the ball forward.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_02: Doesn't matter how far it goes, just hit the ball forward.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_04: I gotta start just going man bun.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_04: You know, that might help out.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: Or you can do Fenton all live on the air, like we were talking about.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I am right now, so we're good.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: You could do that.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_02: And then you could have Maya hit me with a fucking uh Narcan.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_02: Not EpiPen.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_02: What's it called?
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_02: Narcan.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_02: Narcand.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_02: Narcan?
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_02: Narcan, yeah.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: Narcandy on the show.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_04: I'll just be sleeping like this.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, we joke, but I'm just saying, if we like just titled an episode like Man Falls Out on Fentanyl on live on podcasts, I mean that's fucking I'm clicking on that.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean it's dude, the hood the hood's a couple of blocks away, bro.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_04: I'll just go grab a grab.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_02: Can't you get in trouble for that though?
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like if you really I know there's a lot of false stuff like that, but it's it's usually like the way they word it.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_02: Can't you get in trouble for false?
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_02: I guess I'm I'm probably reading too much into it.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_02: Probably not on a podcast.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: I I can't get in trouble for nothing.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like I like ever.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: So let's ask your wife.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_04: That's true.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: I hate what you hear when I'm recording.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, so switching into our recovery segment, we kind of in light of Bill being on, and and not only that, but just we didn't know how long that was gonna take, so we wanted to have a simple topic to transition into.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: But also with Bill being on, like, we all kind of all got sober together.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I was a few years before you guys, you know, but really and truly, like this crew, we were all members of the same, you know, recovery group for a long time.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like a lot, we had a we shared a lot of experiences together, especially like Greg and Bill being at the same halfway house, Corey and Dan being at the same halfway house.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um all you guys, all you guys infiltrating my my morning meeting at some point.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: Not to interrupt you, Sean, but it's never been it's I it's never been replicated.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: What do you mean?
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: 2015 to like 2017.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you I know you got sober beforehand.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: But that was really years.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: That was like the sweet spot of like an influx of good people for some reason.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what the fuck happened.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean I might take a slight exception to that.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_02: I I have some good people in the current iteration of what we do, but I get what you mean.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_02: I get what you mean.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just trying to get more guests on the pod for upcoming weeks.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: Call them all out.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, I heard what Corey said on the pod.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_04: It is wild, dude.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's that's that's not God stuff though, man.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, like, seriously, like that group, like, I've never seen it anywhere else.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_04: And I've been all over the place, you know, like it's just like how that was, you know, with us, honestly, man.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_04: Like, it was that's freaking cool, cool shit, man.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think I know we're like struggling to get to our topic, but like I honestly I honestly think that we can kind of credit the ridiculous amount of treatment centers that were in the area at the time because it was so many people coming to this area.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: And then like for lack of a better way to put it, like the good ones stuck around.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like you kind of weeded out the attrition, attrition takes care of itself.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_01: It just does.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: So that's how I I think that's how we ended up with like a a good group of people that are still like sober and like you guys moved, but like we're all still connected and you know what I mean.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, well that that kind of leads us into kind of the perfect transition then about like early sobriety.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: So Greg, I'm gonna kick kick this first one over to you, and you know, what was a um some type of daily discipline or routine or something that you put into your routine that you added in early sobriety that might have felt kind of silly or stupid at the time, but as time went on you realized like how important it was.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_02: What would you what could you say for that?
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_00: I would say two things.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: Number one, um, when I first first got into it and first came to the halfway house and everything like that, like I thought it was really dumb that I had to go to a meeting a day.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um that's what they told me to do.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: You go to recovery group once a day.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: I had a little sheet that I had to get signed at first, I don't know, for like the first couple weeks just to like prove that I was actually going.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought it was dumb.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then obviously that very quickly changed, you know, because um had a great feeling about going into those meetings and found some good ones to uh to attend and stick to and everything like that.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_00: As far as actually like getting into working the program of recovery and doing like one-on-one work with a mentor and and you know, the daily discipline stuff like at first to be totally honest, I thought meditation was super weird.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um I didn't know how to do it.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: I d I thought it was very strange.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't really do it on my own, like then, you know.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think I started with a lot of the guided meditations and you know, the honest guys guys, man, and and uh I quickly learned to love that stuff, but at first I thought it was really just like this is this is hokey, this is weird.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: It was like unattainable to me.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: It was I it wasn't so much I thought it was, it was like something that I I didn't think I could attain.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: And now I find that it um you know that it's a huge part of the daily discipline and when it when it's lacks, you can tell.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um Dan, a lot of people say that early sobriety can be boring, right?
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_02: I I I think we've all kind of felt that way on some level, but what are some things that you did in early sobriety before life got busy again with full-time work and really just you know, kids, family, all that stuff?
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_02: What are some things you did in early sobriety um to help with the quote boredom, you know, or or just to keep yourself busy and occupied when you weren't in recovery groups or working or whatever?
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, just the cornball stuff, man.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_04: Denny's Stuart downtown, you know, walking around, playing ball, play a lot of ball, man, downtown and stuff like that.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_04: And just sticking around people and it's Honestly, it wasn't even like everyone that was doing the right thing or doing these things, just being around people and just finding activities to do and just to stay busy because that's like a huge thing, you know what I mean?
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_04: Where all of a sudden you're newly entering entering into recovery and all that stuff is like life's gonna suck now because I don't do this, this, and this, you know, and uh just being out, man.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_04: And it always helps when you're in Florida with palm trees and all that jazz where you're just outside, man, and doing the stuff, but conversations and hanging out with people till two in the morning at Denny's was that was one of my my big things, man.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_04: I loved it.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_02: Did did you guys do a lot of things together at the halfway house?
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like I know Corey can speak on that too, but did you guys like do a lot of events together or just outings together?
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, no, not the halfway house.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_04: So me and Corey always went out and did stuff with other people or something like that.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_04: Because I mean, most of the people that were there were not uh they were not trying to do the right thing, you know what I mean?
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_04: So we were honestly like with the techs and stuff like that.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_04: We were awesome, super tight with and friends with, because they know you know we were trying to do do our best to do the right thing.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_04: But uh me and Corey always went I mean going to the gym, just you know, walking to a recovery meeting and just getting out, man.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_04: You know, going going at some garlic knots over there at Luna, you know, that was a hot spot all day, right?
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: They raised the prices, so it's not that great anymore.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, yeah.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, just that stuff, you know what I mean?
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_04: And just just just getting out, Dunkin' Don't.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, all that stuff.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_04: And it's like we didn't have a car either.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_04: Like we were walking, you know, every single time, you know, it's uh just getting out and just doing stuff, you know.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_01: We went to that concert down in Pembroke Pines or whatever the hell it was.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember that.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: And they let us stay out late.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: The techs let us stay out late.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, here'd you go, yeah.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: Never all.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: Who'd you go see?
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: It was like a it was a recovery festival.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: It was a bunch of unknown weirdos playing music, but it was fun.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like we all got to hang out.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: That was a good time.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's an often overlooked part of early sobriety is having one or two people like you and and and Dan had with each other that are similar length sobriety for you two, almost identical, but just like like Corey, if you were trying to always hang out with people that had two, three, four, five years when you had 35 days, like there's like a relation level that that you can't really get to.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_02: So having someone that's around your time in sobriety, obviously around the same age.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_02: I know you're you know you're a little younger than Dan, but essentially you guys are you know from that generation, and um I think that's an overlooked, very important part of sobriety that you someone you can relate to, you can bitch to without fear of judgment, you know what I mean?
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_02: But that is the important thing that you've said before, you both were doing the right thing and trying and wanting to do the right thing.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's literally just it, is that I I it's uh yeah, I mean that you couldn't have said it really better than that.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's kind of indispensable, and it was to me.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: And um to your point, like if you know Dan's mentor at the time only had a year more than us, I think.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: So he was still like relatively in that like relatable type thing.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, I don't know.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_01: I feel so sometimes with new guys, like I feel so out of touch at times.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like where and not completely because I do know where they're coming from, but it's just a lot easier to look at them and hear their problems and just be like, dude, shut shut up.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like this this is not ma this will not matter in a year from now.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of like a parent does to a child, like something that's really important to a child, and it's like, listen, you're not even gonna remember this.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of and like I know that that's not and I don't like I I do my best to like harness that you just you just flick them off, yeah.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I so I don't treat it that way, but at times I want to, and like I feel like like to your point, like having people that are around the same length of sobriety, you get to share those things with somebody who actually gives a shit because they're going through similar things.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_01: Again, they gotta be doing the right thing because you know everyone it's easy to get picked off, man.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's if you're hanging around with too many if you're hanging around with people that aren't, it's easy to fall into that and to get picked off.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: So we we we got lucky to find each other.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, dude.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_04: Uh as uh I mean the best thing ever, Corey, was I mean, like I Sean said it too, is like, you know, could you can bitch to people and stuff?
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_04: Me and Corey, every day we come home, man, sit on that back porch and and just chop it up, man, about whatever the day was and all that.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_04: That was like that was yeah, dude, that was like immensely important.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_02: The the important stuff.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_02: Well, exactly, but that's my point, right?
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like and Corey just hasn't stopped bitching.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_02: So um Corey, this one's directed at you.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_02: Oh shit.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_02: What was an aspect what was an aspect of the recovery program that you were not too keen on or totally against coming into the program?
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like something that you were just and you can't say God.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_02: God's too easy.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_02: But something I mean you can obviously if that's it, but like something that you were just like, I don't know about that, or just plain no way, Jose, and that you came to came around on.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't feel I feel like I'm not not known to be unkeen on things.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: So first off.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, you yes, you go with the flow better than anyone I know, actually.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um the first thing that comes to mind is amends.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I still don't love the thought of amends all the time.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's one of those things where it's like you when you make an amends to somebody, um there's a lot of reward on the other side.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: Whether it goes good or bad.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um but it's one of those things where you kinda can't like or at least I'll see for myself, like I can't always fully remember how I feel afterwards.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, or like it's kinda like or like even I don't know, I'm not I don't love sharing in recovery groups that often.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_01: I always feel great afterwards, but you can't really I don't I don't really know that beforehand, you know what I mean?
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_01: So it's just kind of one of those things.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: I would say amends, um I mean one of my first encounters with the idea of an amends was long before I got sober.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: But the dude that was mentoring me at the time, he was like, Hey, we're gonna take you to Camden County or uh where they city?
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_01: Camden, whatever the Camden Police Department was.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_01: And uh you're gonna make amends to that.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_01: I said, What?
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_01: And he goes, Yeah, you're gonna make amends to that.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Well, what the fuck did I do to them?
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, Well, you're you're out there running around doing things in Camden, that's illegal, right?
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like they gotta worry about you, they gotta arrest you, they gotta whatever.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: That you're just taking time out of their day.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, okay, it's their job.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, their job is to come get me, you know.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_02: I'm keeping them employed, hello.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: And so I don't I still don't know to this day, because that's kind of a stretch.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't ask guys to go to police departments.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that sounds like a yeah, that sounds like I I have a feeling if it was anything that intelligent that he was just trying to see how willing I was, maybe, which I was not.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I did not go to Camden Police to make amends.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: However, I made amends to the legal system, I guess, through through showing up and the whole process.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's my answer.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_01: A mention.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like no, that's I'm still not.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good answer.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, do you like does is anybody here fucking just love making amends?
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: And be honest, like, are you serious?
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: Sean, I swear to god, dude.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean no, no, no, no, no.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_01: Stop it.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: Stop it.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, give me listen, Sean, don't take offense to this.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's okay.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: Drop the recovery geek thing for a minute and just fucking tell me here's you, there's got to be apprehension with amends for you.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_02: Here's well, okay, that's a different question, though.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, there's apprehension.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_02: Here's here's what I don't like doing.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_02: I don't like having new amends come up because I've fucked up.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_02: I don't like I go back to when this was years ago, but I was multiple years sober.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_02: There's a gen, and I won't say his name because I do kind of like like over the years I've come to like him, but there was a guy who I say it is called Luca.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: You can say it.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I didn't think too highly of and was kind of a loudmouth and really obnoxious in the grid.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_02: He was always at meetings, and I don't know if it's the one you're thinking about, Corey, but it's it's another one.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_02: And we got up to say the prayer at the end, and at the end of some of our recovery groups, they'll say, Hey, is anybody celebrating a yearly anniversary?
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_02: And somebody'll say, My name's so-and-so, and I'm celebrating whatever years.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_02: And this guy had a lot of years, and but because of his behavior and some of his antics, when he said how many years he had, I said out loud, I thought it was low enough, but it was out loud enough for everyone and this guy to hear.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_02: I said, That's debatable.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_02: And he got really upset, and like I had to make so I don't that that's what I don't like making those kinds of amends.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_02: As far as the ones that were on like my initial list and the second list I ever made from like the past from before I was sober, yes, there's apprehension.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_02: I want to say that 100% apprehension, but I've done enough of them and I've seen I've I've done enough of them, and I've I've just been through it that I know I know the freaking magic that's on the other side of that.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_02: Whether they reciprocate the amends or not, I know how good it is for my like long-term sobriety and my spiritual health.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_02: But yes, if there's absolutely apprehension, I get a little, especially like right before I'm about to do it.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_02: 100%, 100%.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_01: I just what about you guys?
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry to hijack this thing.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_00: I hate it, and but it but to Sean's point is that is what I hate about it.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_00: I hate, you know, of course, my ego takes a little bit of a hit, and then I gotta do a little bit of work on that, or like to remind myself that um I shouldn't have one of those to begin with.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_00: And then um, you know, I I I think that the the big thing is is when I screw up, um yes, I can I can sit here and I can stand behind the fact that like I'm only human and I'm going to make mistakes, and some of those mistakes are gonna be bigger than others, but that doesn't justify the bad behavior, and I still have to man up and yo, I was wrong.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_00: And then I then I start to feel ashamed of myself, you know.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so of course I hate that.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I hate every bit of that process, but I hope that you know, um, it does work at repairing whatever relationship that is when I do it, and even if it doesn't right off the bat or not on the timeline that I want it to, at least I can hang my hat knowing that I'm a man, I screwed up, and I did what I I could do to make the situation right.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_02: Dan, I want to get I'm gonna kick it to you, but hold on to I just gotta make one more point.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_02: I love two things.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_02: I love I get really excited for other people to make amends too.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like when I'm working with someone and they're at that point, I'm like, I can't wait.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, yo, yeah, dude, this is gonna be life-changing for you.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_02: Do it.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_02: The other thing is, I'm not gonna say this correctly, so please forgive me the words I use, but I think you'll understand the point.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_02: When I go up to someone and say, especially it's someone that I've I've wronged, like maybe at work, in sobriety at work, and I have to do, you know, oh man, I gotta go to them the next day.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like I gain the power back.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not about power over another person.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_02: I don't mean it like that, but I truly feel like because I've done the right thing, to Greg's point, admitted my wrongs, you know, stood up as a as a human and said, I I messed up and I need to apologize.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_02: I need to set this right.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_02: I almost feel like the the power shift kind of goes comes back my way, if that makes any sense at all.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't mean power over another person.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_02: That's not why we do amends, but like the the good um the good karma, and that's not even the right way to say it, but the good, the good vibes come back my way, I should say.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_02: Not that I'm taking them from another person, but like when I admit that stuff, it comes back my way.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_02: Damn.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_04: It's your it's your own inner peace, man.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_04: That's what it gets stolen.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_04: That's what like I literally, you know what I mean.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_04: To me, like amends and stuff like that, like Sean said, like, you know, like I really honestly have no problem facing up the things I've done and stuff like that, because you know it's gonna happen on the and I I'm a bit like my to myself is you know, I admit what I admit and let just the chips fall where they may, man.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_04: I can know that's all I can do.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_04: You know, that's really all it is.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_04: What I really struggle with is, you know, you get in those conversations or those things like with people, whether it's a debate and stuff, and like you like adamantly know, like evidence and everything that this person is wrong, and you're arguing with somebody like about something like back and forth, yeah, and being the bigger person to just kind of like you know, ease your way out of it, admit my wrongs and stuff like that, and be okay with them lying to you and saying things that are not true to make you seem like a bad person to exit that.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_04: Because that's like you know, like that's you're gonna be a selfish individual and fight them tooth and nail the whole time because I want to be right so bad that I have to keep fighting, fighting, fighting.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_04: That's the one that always it takes me a while to come around with that, you know, to actually be like, what am I doing here?
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_04: To feel that inner peace stolen, you know what I mean, to all of a sudden to where I have to make that right.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, for me, like amends and stuff, honestly, it's like um Sean, you just said uh Kevin, when I was with Kevin, man, he had an amazing one.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_04: I can't remember exactly what it was, but like seeing other people, greatest thing in the world, man.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, like phenomenal, phenomenal.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_04: And like the just the cool things that happen that shouldn't happen and all that stuff, man, is you know, really like it's yeah, it's amazing.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, no, yeah.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, saying saying I'm wrong is never, never, never nice, but like Sean said to me, like, I'm like, I really am like a face, you know what I mean.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna it is what it is.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_04: I messed up, big deal.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_04: I tell my kids the same thing, you know what I mean?
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_04: You just nothing you can do about the problem.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_02: People are shocked by it when you admit that stuff, sometimes they're like, wait, wait, what?
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_02: You lied about that?
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, wait, what?
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, yeah, like pleasantly shocked.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_02: They're like, oh my god, like it's like they've seen they've seen something they've never seen before.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_02: Cause it's not no, it's not it's super common in our circles because that's the life we have to live in order to stay sober, but it's not super common out in the rest of the world where people just are running around admitting their faults, you know, wherever they are.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it's I don't think it's super common, Sean, in our in our circle, because I feel like a lot of people owe me an amends, and I'm just not getting it.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you keep holding on to those resentments, Corey, and I bet you one day they'll they'll you know they'll come around and see it your way.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if not, take them out on those financials you're doing.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and AJ Brown.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_02: Well, good stuff, guys.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_02: This was listen, this was a fun episode.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_02: I I didn't know it was good to have Bill on.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't know what to expect, what was gonna happen.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_02: It was uh it was uh m milder than I thought it might get.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_02: I was kind of hoping for a little little more spiciness, but honestly, and in in all fairness, it probably was exactly the way it was supposed to be.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um and uh yeah, it's good to see him.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_02: Good to have talk with you guys.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, always a pleasure to be on talking about recovery and god knows what else.
• 59:32
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• 59:36
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• 59:48
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• 59:59
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• 1:00:03
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